Friday, August 08, 2008
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Lefties Target GOP Donors
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Posted by:
Amanda Carpenter at
11:38 AM
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The far left group Accountable America is planning to threaten GOP donors with public humiliation and lawsuits to intimidate them from helping Republicans this fall.
According to the NYT, their "warning letter" going out some 10,000 high-level contributors "is intended as a first step, alerting donors who might be considering giving to right-wing groups to a variety of potential dangers, including legal trouble, public exposure and watchdog groups digging through their lives."
(Oooooooh, I bet that'll scare, em!A mean letter! *sarcasm*).
Tom Matzzie is the brainchild, photo included in the NYT piece. I normally wouldn't comment on someone's slovenly appearance, but in this case, he's just as ugly on the outside as he is on the inside.
Nasty stuff. If anything this should give GOP donors more reason to stop the left from winning.
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I do not agree with Dottie but I respect her opinion & I have enjoyed reading her opinion. I hope everyone here respects everyone else's opinion. Respecting an opinion does not mean one must agree with it.
I am a moderate when it comes to health care & charity issues.
With my medical issues that are only going to get worse over time, our government will need to help. Years ago, doctors told me I'd not live past 40. Here I am 50-something. My brother & sister have various medical conditions requiring on-going treatments. I know I'm not alone as there are about 60-million others who are physically and/or developmentally challenged. Businesses will not. Charities will not. The last resort and only remaining option for me is our federal government and I hope they will have the resources to be able to help people like me.
I have longed believed in charity and volunteerism. Ronald Reagan did. (I met him three times - face-to-face and got to talk with him.) I really want to help others. I have done volunteer work for decades ... helping children of less fortunate families, despite busy schedules, work schedules, and my family's demands. The balancing act can be done. Matter of fact, I believe every single able-bodied adult should be required by federal law to volunteer a minimum of 500 hours a year to a public K-12 school, food bank, state agency, county agency, or non-religious charity. (Non-religious to maintain separation of church and state.) Pay a fee for background check and one is matched to their skills & interests. Simple. High school drop-outs should be required by federal law to volunteer 1,500 hours a year. Senior citizens in good health should also be required by federal law to volunteer 500 hours or more a year. But that is my opinion, an opinion formed decades ago.
Thank you for listening.
And Dottie - your opinion & attitude remind me of my sister. She is very bitter like you towards government charity programs.
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I feel for you & your family.
This Dottie character must be a GOP robot. She just cannot be real in today's world. She must be from somewhere else and she is selfish. One never knows in today's blog world...
Hang in there...
By the way, than you for http://www.opensecrets.org website. I am talking with three neighbors who reportedly donated $10,000 each to the RNC. I am going to give them a piece of my mind. That is a great tip... thank you.
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You want to make your broad generalizations, and you want to call those of us who do not want to participate in forced charity for the able-bodied as selfish. Nothing could be further from the truth, and you know it. Your inability to acknowledge there are those who have been hurt terribly by enabling is either terribly dishonest or points to an addled mind.
I applaud the fact that you have worked so hard to overcome your challenges. You more than most should see that it is possible to jump hurdles thta society arbitrarily puts in the way of some.
You seem to think that government is the answer to problems, and that is as left as it gets. I, on the other hand, subscribe to Reagan's belief that government IS the problem. The free market can take care of a lot if we let it. When you call for government intervention, it generally leads to more problems and higher debt or more taxes.
I want the government to do only what is Constitutionally allowed and nothing else. I am a single mother with five children. I am better able to decide what is best for them, and I do not want to send my hard-earned dollars to Washington, so they can squander them shamelessly.
You have made choices that have gotten you where you are, and I have made choices that have gotten me to where I am. Neither of us should be punished because we have chosen to succeed. If you want to send money off to charities, or if you want to sponsor a poor family, that should be YOUR choice. I sponsor charities that have a good record of spending, and the government does not qualify; otherwise, the war on poverty would have been won long ago. |
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Dottie said "My tax dollars should never be used to enable people who have made poor choices, and that is the majority of the poor in this country."
I was diagnosed with cerebral palsy about 48 years ago as a toddler. That was not by my choosing but I suppose in your world (and the RNC's world and John McCain's & Cindy McCain's world) this is my fault. I am mobile...and educated (MBA degree); I consider myself reasonably successful, having climbed up company ladders from database development roles to team lead roles to managerial roles; but I’m always among the first to be laid-off in down-sizing situations. In 2005, health care changed for the worst. I now pay $1,200/month for family-plan medical insurance that refuses to cover a dime in anything even remotely associated with cerebral palsy. I must spend $750/month of wages on physical therapy that without it I cannot work reliably. If these ailments were covered, premiums would be a cost-prohibitive $5K to $10K per month according to insurance carriers. (I have letters from insurance carriers.) The on-going exclusion for pre-existing conditions like cerebral palsy, down syndrome, spinal disorders, birth defects, and others (and that list has recently been expanded)...but many government programs/plans for the poor & working poor cover these conditions. Last year, my wife & I paid well over $20,000 out of pocket on medical expenses...on wages of about $80,000 (with three employers). In 2005 and 2006, we paid about $10,000 out of pocket each year on wages of about $75,000 each year (with two other employers). In a few years time, we first exhausted the equity in our home and this year, we exhausted all our 401K and IRAs as I was laid-off a number of times to down-sizing…and I suppose you are going to say this is somehow my fault?
In our world, it is the RNC fault of supporting the stance of giving businesses too much freedom.
So Dottie ... I ask you to please, think again.
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There you go again... saying things like "My tax dollars should never be used to enable people who have made poor choices, and that is the majority of the poor in this country."
That is, In my opinion, a very selfish and not compassionate attitude. People like you YOU are definitely part of the problem - along with the stupid RNC and GOP in Washington DC. You need to be educated.
Instead of devising a plan to help US Citizens with physical and/or developmental challenges, the RNC in Washington DC just sits there with its thumb up it’s ?ss and offers no solution except the status quo. And to give businesses a blank check is not the solution as the RNC has done. The federal government must help all of the physically & developmentally challenged US Citizens. Without a $350-billion a year in aid to states, there is only hopelessness and despair - and bitterness & anger – ahead for US Citizens with physical and/or developmental challenges as our federal government continues to leave millions upon millions of US Citizens behind.
One last thought here … a physically and/or developmentally challenged person can commit a serious crime and plead guilty and get life-in-prison and live in an air conditioned cell with TV and internet and food and medical treatment as necessary. Sooner or later, to many physically and/or developmentally challenged, their bodies become like a jail cell … trapping their livelihood and energy in a decaying body. At least behind bars, they get their needs met instead of struggling on the streets. And that is their fault? I sense they’d rather not go to jail but at the same time I know of many senior citizens who have robbed a bank & turned themselves in so they’d get their needs met.
That number I quoted of physically & developmentally challenged is a fair & reasonable number and highly accurate ... so I suggest you adjust your thinking rapidly.
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Dolphin, you are not being totally honest. Your numbers in no way reflect Americans who are disabled to the point of being unable to work. THis is a tactic often used by the left to try to create crises where they do not exist.
I am opposed to government aid for anybody who is able-bodied unless it is extreme short-term. We have thrown money away for decades with absolutely nothing to show for it. This is not fair for any of us. My tax dollars should never be used to enable people who have made poor choices, and that is the majority of the poor in this country.
You are spouting propaganda, and that is all there is to it. |
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I cannot agree with you more.
I have been GOP for 32-years, voting the party line. But not this year. I too cannot forget the image of John McCain's arrogance in the immigration debate.
Still, I attended one of John McCain's STRAIGHT TALK meetings and I walked away with the image that our tax dollars are going to Mexico and Latin American countries. That John McCain will spend trillions upon trillions internationally but minimal investment domestically. I even went to a second Straight Talk meeting a week later ... walking away with the exact same impression.
From what I have seen and heard first-hand, John McCain is definitely not getting my vote this November.
Your points are a true breath of fresh air on TOWNHALL.COM!
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You said "The RNC and Republican leadership have not failed people" and I could not disagree more.
About 160-million people live paycheck-to-paycheck... unable to save a dime. Yet, the RNC and George Bush do not see that as a reality and wear blinders. When things go bad, YES they turn to the government. Nothing wrong with that at all. But if 25-million suddenly go unemployed, our federal government needs the reserves to respond to US Citizens in-need; if we have a natural disaster like Katrina, our federal government needs the reserves to respond to US Citizens in-need. The reserve fund should be 50% of our GDP to properly respond. Right now, our country has no reserve fund of say $6-trillion.
As far as me being an Obamaton, nothing could be further from the truth... I just dislike John McCain and the existing RNC leadership more. A pairing that is on-track to gift Mexico and Latin American countries $100-billion a year in taxpayer funds, money that if it is going to be spent, it is better off being spent here - in the USA.
John McCain's chief of staff said it best after a debate in January - that he (McCain) "has no intention of ever listening to any of the US Citizens. That all US Citizens greedy whiners not worthy to be voting in the first place." That statement says alot - that indeed means US Citizens by the millions will continue to be left behind in a John McCain / RNC Presidential administration. That John McCain & the RNC will have blinders on - and could care less about US Citizens and our national sovereignty.
In My Opinion
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Now that they are threatening people and wanting to sue them, it would be great to conuter-sue this group on defamation of charter, and see it tied up along time in the courts. |
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You said: "For one thing, your numbers are way off. There are far too many able-bodies receiving government benefits for me to believe what you are saying. I think 60 million disabled is way too many!"
I did my MBA Research Project in 2002 on this subject ... at that time, sources cited (provided me by my doctor) there being about 56-million having some degree of physical and/or developmental challenge in the USA and the total was growing by about 0.007 (0.7%) per year to about 58.8-million. That total represents slightly under 20% of our population.
Our population as of 2000 (per census) was 281-million. The 56-million (at that time) represents about 20%, about the same overall percentage as in the United Kingdom.
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Ericn said "You are lying. Period. If you think BO will preserve your Constitutional rights, you are seriously misled. I HATE McCain's stance on immigration, but BO's stance is far more liberal. You are silly to think you can fool people on this blog. Spare yourself the backlash you have just started and leave."
The GOP is very divided and nothing the RNC and John McCain can do will resolve that division except John McCain's unconditional and immediate resignation.
The RNC lies and lies - and I feel sorry for the forum members here who buy their deception and lies. And the RNC spin in the media is disgraceful & disrespectful of intelligent US Citizens.
According to my tally, John McCain has flip-flopped many more times than Obama. John McCain is desperate... and now he's trying to define Obama. I'll define McCain as not being credible and honest at all.
I too dislike the amnesty option ... but I dislike the North American Union and NAFTA even more. And John McCain supports the North American Union and NAFTA while Obama opposes them.
I am not saying I like Obama. But I dislike McCain a billion times more ... to the point the lessor of two evils is definitely Obama.
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Skip Kimberly's posts and do not respond to her. She is like a stray animal. She keeps coming back when she gets any attention at all. She has absolutely nothing worthwhile to say.
It will be funny in November after Obama loses, though. I may have to start reading her posts again just so I can laugh! |
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For one thing, your numbers are way off. There are far too many able-bodies receiving government benefits for me to believe what you are saying. I think 60 million disabled is way too many!
The RNC and Republican leadership have not failed people; too many people have failed themselves and they have brought children into the world expecting me to feel it is my responsibility to pay to rear them. I am not saying I have no sympathy for those who are down on their luck, and I willingly help those, but the ones who have made it a choice to be society's loser get no more than a passing thought from me.
Obama will NOT hold Mexico accountable. Where are you getting your information? He will make sure we have an amnesty and that more will come without a problem if he can. I have a feeling the American people will put the brakes on amnesty no matter who gets in though. I say as long as there are jobs Americans "won't do," there should be not one dime given to able-bodied welfare recips. I think many would start doing those jobs if they had to do so.
You have shown yourself to be an Obamaton, and that is fine. You should have had the integrity to admit it from the start. |
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You said “What do you mean the country is leaving 79 million Americans behind? I would like you to clarify that so I understand from where you are coming.”
To begin with, there are about 60-million US Citizens with varrying physical and/or developmental challenges ... having to absorb more & more of their wages to cover therapy & medication that keeps them working, watching the quality of their lives drop dramatically ... and the federal government, because of their non-responsiveness, refuse to help. There are millions more waiting for Social Securitry Disability Insurance benefits approval that for many takes over 1-1/2 years. During the 1990's, the backlog and waiting periods were quite a bit shorter - like 75% shorter. (This was in last Sunday's OREGONIAN NEWSPAPER for Portland, Oregon)
There are millions homeless families (and that includes children). I have bought homeless families sandwiches ... or given my lunch away to help them. I have seen a homeless mother shower her 6-year-old in a parking lot with a hose, getting the child ready for school. I have reached out to help these - as our federal government under GOP and RNC control refuses (under George Bush and RNC control and their "compassionate conservatism").
And there are even more - millions more - who are underemployed as our federal government yields to big business and allows immigrants to come here who work for next to nothing in wages or watch as jobs are shipped elsewhere. Look at DHL. Look at Intel. Look at Microsoft. Look at Nike. Not refugees... but illegal immigrants and immigrants on work visas should take a number and wait their turn ... allow only one H1B visa to a business so businesses must hire US Citizens ... increase fees employers must pay for immigrant work VISAS - to like $5,000 cash per VISA per year and split it with states as unrestricted grants.
Our federal government under GOP & RNC control have, in my opinion, failed.
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You asked: "So what you are saying is you will support Obama even though he is an amnesty candidate too? That is fine, but you should be open and honest about it."
Obama will hold Mexico accountable. He is strongly against the NORTH AMERICAN UNION ... which McCain strongly supports.
To be honest, most amnesty lovers and open borders supporters do support the NORTH AMERICAN UNION.
At any price, our country must end the NORTH AMERICAN UNION and NAFTA. And if ending those means an amnesty, so be it.
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One thing for sure, you make me detest and loathe B. Hussein Obama and the entire left wing nuts more and more with your posts. I hope everyone else feels the same. United for McCain or against BO... does it really matter?
Bt the way, your party is in serious doubt. |
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Like Kimber, they are all commies and the only good commie is a dead commie......
Have a nice day. |
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Does Soros pay you by the post?
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At the very least, I hope this gets a lot of media attention. It should embolden conservatives against the looney left as well as force Obama to, once again, have to denounce his supporters.
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as a "militant leftist" than as "far left"...since the article doesn't disclose any particular ideological beliefs. So, really, they are defined more by their tactics, which clearly are militant. |
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So what you are saying is you will support Obama even though he is an amnesty candidate too? That is fine, but you should be open and honest about it.
What do you mean the country is leaving 79 million Americans behind? I would like you to clarify that so I understand from where you are coming.
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You are lying. Period. If you think BO will preserve your Constitutional rights, you are seriously misled. I HATE McCain's stance on immigration, but BO's stance is far more liberal. You are silly to think you can fool people on this blog. Spare yourself the backlash you have just started and leave. |
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I have researched people and businesses donating to candidates on OpenSecrets.Org and other websites - and I have contacted them, telling them that because of their donation of $X to candidate Y (or PAC Z), I am going to cease buying their product or respecting their right to privacy.
I do not focus on just RNC or DNC. I do it to candidates and PACs for both parties. If a person donates money, they are required by our Constitution to listen.
At issue in this campaign is our nation's sovereignty - something Mexico, the RNC, McCain, and most Latin American countries want to destroy.
McCain is clearly arrogant & disrespectful towards not only US Citizens but towards our Constitution and the rights it guarantees.
The immigration debate in 2006 and 2007 brought his arrogance to the surface for everyone to see. His thumbing his nose at US Citizens and siding with immigration criminals is well documented. He wants to do as George Bush did - pay millions in blackmail (the $500 million that went to Mexico with no accountability, supposedly to fight the drug trade); but instead of $500 million, McCain and the RNC want to increase US Taxpayer aid to $75-billion a year to Mexico and another $25 billion a year to Latin American countries.
Our country is leaving 79-million US Citizens behind every day just to embrace immigration (comprehensive immigration reform) with no accountability or short-term (90-days or less) checkpoints that US Citizens define. McCain and the RNC approach is wrong. Dead wrong.
The Republican National Committee wants the North American Union to continue; John McCain supports the NAU - despite 78% of US Voters (including Obama) opposing the NAU.
I do not like Obama but I sure as heck will not ever vote for John McCain, even if it means voting for Obama. And I am not changing my views or position. I have come to equate a McCain victory in November to the death of our beloved United States of America.
Thank you.
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It isn't enough that Obama will be able to vastly outspend McCain after the conventions and that no one thinks that the Republicans have a shot at taking either house of Congress. Now the FAR left (I'm center-right too, and these guys are quite distant from me) wants to engage use the law as a weapon to intimidate their opponents. While it's a tactic that's worked for guys like Robert Mugabe and Hugo Chavez, I would hope it backfires here. I'd hope enough people still value notions like freedom of speech, freedom of association, even freedom to disagree that this blows up in their faces. |
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This type of individual is more likely to church key your car than stifle your desire to contribute.
It is a measure of the fear that is manifesting in the left and Democratic Party ranks as they sober up from the love fest,'Barackanal' and realize that the election is slipping away.
When an opponent tries to sever your phone line, tear down your placards, cause you to lose your job, engages in whispering campaigns, slashes voter outreach vehicles' tires, they reveal more than they would want you to know about their confidence in the outcome of the contest.
This cycle is really exciting, isn't it?
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I am not a lawyer, is this legal?
Funny how many bumper stickers I have seen on liberal's cars saying "Dissent is Patriotic." As always, liberal’s bulls--t only applies to liberals.
This is not going to work. I cannot wait to get my letter in the mail. Sign me up for the class action lawsuit!
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Seriously, if Amanda had just said...the liberal group, or the "progressive" (what a misuse of a word when referring to the left these days) group Accountable America. . . Some of the libs on this site would go ballistic and accuse her of tarring all libs with the same brush.
Surely most lefties would be appalled by the actions of this group. What they are doing is engaging in blackmail to shut down the opposition. How pathetic is that? Do they have no faith in their candidate? Do they fear he cannot win unless they use tactics that would make the Mafia blush?
Gee wiz, if the conservatives did this, can you just hear the reports? I think this is sinking about as low as it can get! |
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Hmmmm...it's amazing to me how often groups that are liberal/progressive are referred to as "Far Left Groups"...to date, I can't remember a single group referred to on here as "far right". So, apparently extremism only moves in one direction. ( *sarcasm* )
Just so everyone knows, I'm not liberal at all (leaning-right centrist)...I just like honesty is all. Sue me. |
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