Fox and Friends Photoshop may have narrowed a face and yellowed the teeth as a poke at NYT writers. Bad form it that is what they did,.
The Washington post airbrushes away 20 years of Obama's spiritual experience and his faith mentor in an article and about his faith journey7.
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The Irreverant Wright will be back......count on it. It will be beyond Soros's grasp and too funny. |
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Hugh Hewitt, Rush Limbaugh, Michael Savage, Sean Hannity, Michael Medved, Ann Coulter, Laura Ingraham, Lars Larson, Michael Reagan, Glenn Beck, George W. Bush, Dick Cheney, John McCain, Mitt Romney, Fred Thompson, and all other American right-wingers.
Where's Rev. Sun Myung Moon?
After all, he's the owner of the paper-of-record for the American right-wing movement, the Washington Times. He's also a convicted felon. |
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At least try to have a point when you post. Even Krazy Kim has points. Usually on the tips of her foil hat, but still... |
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Kimberly wrote:
"Same place as Hagee and Parsley, HH
"Only, mcsame has no 'spiritual journey' that we can tell of - he seems to kneel only to his RW puppetmasters. 'Maverick,' indeed."
Hagee and Parsley are irrelevant. Obama sat in Wright's church for 20 years, cheering Wright on as he preached hate, racism, and blame-whitey.
You don't want this resurrected unless the idea is to get the general election conversation out of the way before the fall. Frankly, there's too much else to take Obama down. But keep chatting up Hagee and Parsley, I can't even remember who there are. |
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....about the same place as Pat Robertson, Jerry Falwell, James Hagee and all the other right-wing freaks in relationship to George W. Bush and his spiritual journey.
Why don't you people go hire a few more photoshop experts? This angle isn't working for you. |
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Salty Alaskan, Briggsey, Kimberly, fbear, will I see you all at church to day?
Since, you know so much about faith, I thought you might be teaching a Sunday School class.
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Obama consistently talks about turning away from his whiteness. He is more racist than anyone of us could ever dream of.
As for his faith, I could give two. Sam, you are correct. Who would ever believe that he would not know what the Rev's mindset was, even if he hadn't said, "G-damn America!" It's very plain to see for the rest of us. Just not for people like Monkey Girl, who think he is a Messiah. Boy are they in for the rude awakening should he make it. |
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My Pet Goat said: "Why don't you people go hire a few more photoshop experts?"
Actually, the Photoshop experts have all been busy at TIME, Newsweek, Rueters and the NYT. Fox could only get rank amateurs.
http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/fa
"Photography lost its innocence many years ago. In as early as the 1860s, photographs were already being manipulated, only a few decades after Niepce created the first photograph in 1814. With the advent of high-resolution digital cameras, powerful personal computers and sophisticated photo-editing software, the manipulation of digital images is becoming more common.rid/research/digitaltampering/"
Here are a few:
May 1970: This Pulitzer Prize winning photo by John Filo shows Mary Ann Vecchio screaming as she kneels over the body of student Jeffrey Miller at Kent State University, where National Guardsmen had fired into a crowd of demonstrators, killing four and wounding nine. The original photograph shows a fence post directly behind Vecchio, that was removed in the published version.
June 1994: Time digitally altered photograph of OJ Simpson appeared on the cover of Time magazine shortly after Simpson's arrest for murder.
April 2003: Los Angeles Times printed a digital composite of a British soldier in Basra, gesturing to Iraqi civilians urging them to seek cover on the front page of the Los Angeles Times
October 2005: Doctored photo of Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice appeared alongside a USA Today news story about Rice's comments to U.S. Lawmakers regarding U.S. Troops in Iraq.
March 2007: This image of former U.S. President Ronald Reagan appeared on the cover of Time Magazine under the headline "How the Right Went Wrong". The image was doctored to include a tear on Reagan's face.
Then there are those AP and Rueters doctored photos in Lebanon. Then of course the shameless appropriation of the Marine Monument to pitch global warming. |
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I now realize I should not have interrupted the peace of the Sabbath with posts here this morning. Therefore I am off to find that peace and so I will turn on some good music and put the finishing touches on my Sunday School lesson.
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Brob, "McCain who probably doesn't go to church at all? "
I should not have looked back. I may turn into a piller of salt, but here it goes:
Brob, McCain does go to church. He just doesn't wear his religion on his sleeve like Obama.
John McCain attends services at his home church which is the North Phoenix Baptist Church.
A recent news article said:
"The Arizona senator's presence at North Phoenix Baptist Church was unannounced, and many of the hundreds of members appeared not to notice as he sat alone during the 90-minute service. He shook hands with and hugged a few people afterward, then left flanked by Secret Service agents."
"McCain did not speak to reporters."
http://www.startribune.com/nation/20641499.html
Now I am gone until Monday. Listening to "Peace flows Like a river" and preparing my lesson.
Be well, |
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We all know Mitt is LDS - the press reminding us of it on a minute by minute bases, even though Mitt himself did not make a big deal out of it. Of course, Huckabee is evangalical SBC. HE made sure everyone knew that.
But the constitution guarentees everyone the right to worship as they see fit. I do have real problems with ANY candidate who goes to a church or church convention, to preach and talk politics. The constitution divides these roles of church and state for a reason. |
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Will the Bazama forces be able to leverage, buy, blackmail or otherwise mute the delicate Rev. Jeremiah during the upcoming months? Hmmmm. Will the eviiiiiiiiiilllll Repub 527s NOT use the 'Chickens comin' home to roost on 9-11' video to remind voters of the cool, tinfoil hat Spiritual Advisor and family pastor for O'Bammy? How about Voice Overs of pithy quotes--playing over Batsh!t Crazy Video Rants of the Pastor & shrieking congregants--from B.Hussein's books about his Spiritual Journey of 2-decades with Rev. Wright?? Hmmmmm?
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Trinity United is being investigated by the IRS for good reason.
The place is a hot bed of
politically motivated racist anti American fanatic haters mentored by
Jeremiah Wright and not a place of worship only. Obama says he listened to tapes of Wright in College.
He found a job in Chicago to be close to Wright. He was a member of Trinity United for 20 years that's over half of his adult life living in the US. He has donated tens of thousands of dollars to the "church". Obama denying he disbelieves in Black Liberation Theology the Church's central binding theme is like denying his white grandmother. The MSM will do everything possible to ignore this reality in order to protect their candidate.
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I live in Cincinnati, I never heard of Parsley until this past February. I consider him irrelevant, while I consider Wright to be the end of the discussion on Obama. McCain resides in DC and AZ, so I can't see how he's possibly a 20-year member of Parsley's church.
Politics makes strange bedfellows, and I regret some of Parsley's reported position. But you're stuck with Code Pink, Black Liberation theologists, and the like.
Circling back to my earlier post, Wright is tied to Obama at the hip. Hagee and Parsely are pastors who have chosen to back McCain. There's just no comparison and to argue otherwise is absurd. If you want to argue that McCain has whacky backers, have at it. What you can't say is that they have any affect on McCain's life and his views. Not so with Wright and Obama. |
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Okay, I can add this in keeping with the peace fo the Sabbath. Now off to teach that lesson...
Shimon Peres was whether there was any solution to the great problems that constantly seem to divide the people of Israel and the Palestinians. He replied that of course there is. He said , "When we were Adam and Eve, we were all one. Is there any need for us to be divided into segments with hatred in our hearts one for another?"
He told a beautiful story that he said he got from a Muslim. The Muslim told of a Jewish rabbi who was conversing with two of his friends. The rabbi asked one of the men, "How do you know when the night is over and the day has begun?"
His friend replied, "When you look into the distance and can distinguish a sheep from a goat, then you know the night is over and the day has begun."
The second was asked the same question. He replied, "When you look into the distance and can distinguish an olive tree from a fig tree, that is how you know."
They then asked the rabbi how he could tell when the night is over and the day has begun. He thought for a time and then said, "When you look into the distance and see the face of a woman and you can say, 'She is my sister.' And when you look into the distance and see the face of a man and can say, "He is my brother.' Then you will know the light has come."
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...To lefty neo kommies (democrats) anti American rhetoric, anti-whitey racism, and being a person "of color", specially of African descent, are resume' enhancements. So are financial scandals, economic hypocrisy, criminal activities and sexual misconduct. They only feign and scream wrongdoing when they accuse Repubs of these activities. |
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and there is no way Obama can disconnect from Rev Wright - no way. (there are a few other Chicago weights he carries as well). Barack Obama is not DEAF or DUMB - he and his backers just thinks 'we the people' are both.
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You're falling behind, Boyo! |
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"spiritual" journey must start with honesty. B. Hussein Obama is not a Christian. To be a Christian is to have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ. That relationship begins with the acknowledgment that he cannot perfect himself and for there to be a reconciliation with God, he Must accept "that Man, Christ Jesus" as his redeemer. This immutable fact can NEVER square with the liberal, leftist, "enlightened" notion of man's ability to perfect himself. This is why i know that obambi is a wink and nod "Christian", that is a Christian in name only, with the wink and nod to the leftists. For to be a true believer would be unacceptable to them. This is why obambi is NOT a Christian and leftists, here at HH know it, for they saw the "wink and the nod", didn't cha', lefty trash. |
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NOT the issue. I could careless about mccain, but what i do care about is provoking and exposing and defeating leftist scum like obambi. Mccain who's he, oh, but scum like kimbabjobkingliberallaborlawyerpatrioticliberal, i know them, and i will crawl through a 1000 miles of broken glass to vote against those reprobates. |
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If the G.O.P. is going to make an issue of Rev. Wright, then it's fair game to make an issue of Rev. Moon, a convicted felon who has a very strange theology and happens to own the newspaper most closely aligned with the Republican Party. |
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That;s where I part company with the 'conservatives'. My faith has been targeted by so called 'conservatives' because we LDS don't fit their narrow molds. Some are so rabid, I call them the Christian Taliban. Those that feel it is their lot and yes, even mission, to tell the world every negative thing they can make up about us. I feel that chruchs need to help souls. Leave the politiciking to the other side. They don't have the same roles. |
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first of all it is not 4 or 5 remarks - Rev Wright was/is a proponent of an anti-American, anti-white theology. People in his congregation listened to this stuff - and 20 years is a long, long time. Most of us would have quickly disconnect this man from our Sunday morning prayer time. Then Obama could not disassociate himself from Wright and so on and so forth. Have you noticed at all how many of his principle stances Obama can reconsider when necessary. Maybe he even feels Bush had tremendous foresight and noble intentions when he made his decision on Iraq - if he does - that is one thing on which Obama and I agree. However, Obama has other baggage and he will be changing his mind over and over again until November. |
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The issue I have is when politics is preached from the podium of churches. I would never judge what is in Obama's heart regarding his religious views, but I do have problems with him sitting in a church which spews hatred from the podium for 20 years. Either he is lying that "that's not the Jeremiah Wright he knew", or he wasn't a very good judge of character - neither is an attractive attribute for Obama.
I think preaching politics from the podium should cost any church - right or left - their tax exempt status. As you indicated, politics and religion do not have the same roles. |
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...Mitt is that Mack was originally an Episcopalian of a generation who like Hillary, are more reserved in their expressions of faith. Their faith is more private and people ought to respect that and look at the man or woman.
Mitt is openly Mormon but asked for the same respect: judge me on my character, morals and compentency. Look at the fruits of my faith. Indeed Mormons treasure the US Constitution, believe in American exceptionalism and are well known for their patriotism.
But Barack's "church" is a different story. It's not only highly political but is of a political persuasion that contradicts the way most Americans feel about the country.
I can easily vote for Mack with his private faith or for a Mormon and their love for Founding Principles. But Barack and his liberation theology? That's a tough one no matter whether he's a "Christian" or whatever.
It's how his faith informs his politics that ought to concern us. |
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The problem I see with what you are saying is that you need to compare and contrast where Obama and Wright are similiar and different in their views on race. You have to look at both men's actions. The audiotape version of Dreams of My Father is not going to cut it. One can make the argument he captured Rev. Wright's voice. After all he is a writer. And writers are supposed to do that. Besides, the book is is a meditation on race from all facets including perspectives of black nationalism. It is a frank look at race. May be it is too frank for your taste but it is what it is. |
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that he suck up MORE thread space..!! |
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He said the Hillary Clinton had never had the experience being called N****r. Are you disputing that? Are you disputing that plenty of African-Americans of Wright's generation DID have that experience?
The problem with Wright is that he spoke uncomfortable truths--that this country has a sad history when it comes to race relations, and one race in particular has born the brunt of much of the worst of it (though some other races have also been treated atrociously, especially Native Americans.)
It seems that conservatives want to live in this make-believe world where slavery and Jim Crow never happened, where people, IN MY LIFETIME (and I"m only 50) were killed simply because they tried to REGISTER to vote, and they happened to have dark skin. |
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..is at the heart of liberation theology. As we all know both Popes John Paul and Benedict have declared aspects of lib theology incompatible with the Catholic cathechism.
Liberation theology, with its Marxist leanings, is also incompatible with principles of equality and individual freedom on which our country is founded. Christians, Jews and Muslims have an individual obligation to help the poor. However, freedom not coerced collectivism is the foundation of a free society.
Liberation theology fits neatly into the principles of the Dem party: victimhood, class warfare, militant protests, tax the "rich," give preferential treatment to the poor, even tho Johnson's Great Society and War of Poverty have created an even larger underclass.
Perhaps you guys are right on Wright: He's no big deal. He simply represents middle-of-the-road Dem principles. But if that's so, Barack should have owned up and just said so instead of denouncing and then disowning.
It's not about Wright. We get him. It's about Obama and how Wright has influenced him.
Quite a lot, I say. Obama's original mantra, Yes, We Can means the underclass can unite behind Obama and Michelle to garner even more preferential treatment. Barack is clear: shut down the war, tax the so-called rich and give the money to the already dysfunctional nanny-state.
All this in the name of Christ.
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We've all been called names. Is being called N****r worse than being called a bi*ch, as Hillary has been called?
Have we had uncomfortable truths in our past? Absolutely, but what good does it do to continually beat ourselves up for something someone else did? There obbiously is still discrimination of various types with a few small groups, but I don't believe it is prevalent, as you say.
People in your lifetime was killed because they dared to register to vote? Please. If that happened it was an isolated incident and I could point to other crimes commited against any number of people and make the group they are part of oppressed.
There is hatred toward others as well - fat people, ugly people, poor people, Mormons, people who live in trailers, people who speak with an accent - the list could be endless. I don't believe it helps any group to continually make them victims and convince them they are oppressed and have no chance of making a success of themselves because of the discrimination of the evil country they live in. That seems to be the message Obama, wife and fiends seem to believe.
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K.G. has it right.
While it is true that we see only a few isolated incidents of the ranting Wright, he himself has affirmed that those are the basis of his beliefs. Why would we assume he was preaching the Sermon on the Mount on every other Sunday? |
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No one's saying Jim Crow and much worse didn't happen to African Americans. And other people of color have suffered greatly at the hands of discrimination too. It's been a terrible evil with years of implications.
The question becomes whadda goin'do about it now?
It appears to me that the Dems and people of color want to keep the sense of victimhood going to serve their own political and financial purposes. (That was my impression when I watched the State of the Black Nation on C-SPAN some months ago.)
While there may be racists in every quarter, most of what keeps the underclasses down under is not the racism of conservatives.
In this day and age it's "poor ways" that keep people poor: a disdain for education, drugs, alcohol, lawlessness, a high unwed birth rate, weak families and a dependence on government.
Crying racism is just scapegoating. If, by some miraculous wave of a wand, the underclasses suddenly quit drinking, quit using drugs, only bore children within a committed two-parent family, got all the education they could and made a committment to self-reliance, imagine what "change" would transpire.
But alas, Barack preaches only nanny-state solutions. Why not? That's what will get him votes. |
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Brob, you wrote, in part:
"That is, the criticism of Obama's church and Wright comes from secular political folks; you have not seen ANY religious figures say a mumbling word -- not Dobson, not Rick Warren, not that Land guy from the Southern Baptist Convention (which, by the way was pro-segregation until a 1990s apology). Have you asked yourself why that is? I think you should. It might be an enlightening experience to see what religious people think about Wright."
I suspect that a bunch of white priests criticizing Wright would go over real well. I'll be the first to admit that I wish religious figures would stay out of political endorsements. I have no problem with their specifically reminding congregants of their church's/denomination's position on any particular issue. But they're not supposed to be endorsing candidates. And since that is exactly what Wright was doing on too many occaisions, this kind of criticism is better left to the press, the public, Wright's denomination, other black religious leaders (if they dare), and the IRS.
As far as black religious leaders are concerned, I saw a black pastor (Jeremiah Rivers?) from a Boston church roundly criticize Wright on MSNBC and on Fox--and he appeared far more on MSNBC than Fox from what I observed. Also, one of the writers from Townhall, Harry Jackson, has also been critical of Wright and Obama. I saw a third two on MSNBC many times (sorry, can't remember his name). These three aren't crackpots. Each insisted that Wright reflected a 5% or so fringe of a dying movement in the black church.
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In the film "Breaker Morant", the Bryan Brown character leaps from his defendant's trial chair and yells a heart felt "LIAR" at a mendacious witness on the stand.
Don't you just want to just stand up and yell 'LIAR' at Sen. Obama when you think of the 'audacious' story he's represented to the electorate that he was never present when Rev. Wright railed out at America from the pulpit at Chicago's Trinity Church. Not one time in twenty years did he hear any of the controversial rhetoric of Rev. Wright?
Makes you want to put a "Breaker Morant" DVD in the player and practice Bryan Brown's part. Maybe the evening of November 3rd.
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Some of you show the same lack of honesty as the WP journalist.
No mention of Rev. Wright means the writer is "in the bag" for Obama. Furthermore, his editor is either negligent or also "in the bag".
It's a sad day in America when newspapers portray themselves as honest brokers but are anything but honest. |
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The only racism I have seen comes from black people themselves. If you are a black person, the fact that you have the balls to say "why rock the boat", etc is racist or discriminatory...I don't believe in victimhood and as soon as the black comnunity stnads up and takes responibility for themselves- those who cry about discrimintaion and racism, then maybe your boat will rock the same. There is a saying...when you know better, you live better and youcan teach it to others. Yeah, I am white, and yeah, I had a mother who taught me that you judge a person on character, integrity. It has not one thing to do with the color of someone's skin. But apparently, you aren't getting that.
And to answer your question from before...no, I did not read the whole book. The more I read the more sad It made me.
I can understand Obama identifying with one culture of the two he came from. But to blame whites for his issues, is bullshitt. You see, once again, a person has to be comfortable in his own skin and if he's not, it isn't anyone else's fault. Do you agree with that? Or are you going to try and tell me that it's the whites who drove him to be his black self? To me, he just isn't who I want to lead the Country and frankly, McCain is a white Obama. I'm going 3rd party because I just cannot as a conservative, hold my nose. |
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Obama has faith in his political career and those that have propped him up.
God has nothing to do with those that manipulate the people to be accepted through dishonesty of who they are. Honesty is Godly, not dishonesty. |
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ENOUGH. Tiresome, Needy, Redundant. ENOUGH! |
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of what conservatism means.
You said:
K.G. moves the goal posts
and changes the subject. The subject was "liberation theology". You implied you opposed it because "Preferential Treatment for the Poor..is at the heart of liberation theology." Get back to me as to why that is an bad thing, nonetheless an improper thing, given the Sermon on the Mount.
Given to the poor is essential to anyone who claims to be a Christian - where did you get that anyone feels that's "a bad thing"? The issue is, is it a the government's responsibility to take from the rich and give to the poor? I don't think so. It should, in my opinion be:
1st - families
2nd - churches
3rd - private charitable organizations
4th - (and a last resort) government
Most people I know, who are able, are willing and even anxious to give to help those in need. Being compelled by government, however, pushes us from a democratic society more toward socialism.
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Never hear about "needy" when CS or Cotton or Neo himself is prattling like a little girl. And the difference is, those clowns are preaching to the choir. Brob is taking on all comers. And those clowns STILL post like madmen.
No, Neo is about ad hominem, about shutting down an argument via mocking the arguer. Hey..it's the way he rolls. Cool guy and everything--funny, sarcastic, biting--but at the end of it, a tad lazy and self-indulgent.
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Or you might see him getting into Kabbalah. |
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You guys are pastor-centered. There is Jesus and there is his indispensable second-banana: the pastor. But a spiritual journey is undertaken on one's own. Hugh and the rest of you don't understand this because, in the final analysis, you have not really gone on a spiritual journey.
What YOU all have done is read a chapter from John and a chapter from Romans, confessed the name of Jesus, and walked away with an ideological perspective on salvation and evil. A spiritual journey is non-ideological. It is experiential. An emotional outburst after a confession of sin does not really count.
My old grandpa used to tell me that suffering is the great crucible of the soul, and that it does one of two things to a man: it either turns him into a saint or it turns him into an a-hole. Rev. Wright has nothing to do with all that, and the failure to understand this speaks to a lack of spiritual depth. But Hugh is not about religious truth. Hugh is about whining to high heaven about how the corporate media is unfair. It is, so to speak, his life's work.. |
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Dweeb crawled outta Gammy's basement?? Why, it's The Bloviator! Finally seeing if it's safe to show his thong after that corny old 4th of July stuff. |
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When you say "you all" you are including me. What makes you an expert on my spiritual journey? Maybe you should look at your own, if it exists. |
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I have to say this is a fervid blog piece. My answer to all this is who cares? Obama's belief in the almighty means nothing to me, it is how his view on values were shaped by them and in that I get almost nothing. Obama supports abortion without restriction. (Except maybe now he doens't) and homosexual marriage (Maybe) and. If his religious views have no impact on his values who cares.
At the same time he went to a church where he has nearly no shared values. Was this just a social outlet? Reverand Wright was a spiritual leader, but not a religious leader?
At the same time John McCain has incredibly strong religious beliefs, which of course like most noble people, he keeps away from the political sphere. He shares nearly all the values of the evangelicals, although he won'r preach about his relationship with Christ.
For this approach he is denigrated by many evangelicals (But luckily only a minority). Do they want to be like Barak and attach themselves to a person who shares none of their values, because they share a spiritual relationship.
This is why there should be a real separation of organized religion from politics. Most religions share the same values, but most religious people do not. Lets separate out the values and have a real discussion on that.
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In the eyes of the liberal MSM, Obama can do no wrong. He is a flawless candidate. What scares me is that after he is elected (and he will win), the MSM will continue to worship him. This means we will have a President and an Administration which will be above criticism. When Pelosi gets the Fairness Doctrine re-instated, and she will, except for Fox News, we will have a press that is completely controlled by the Dem party and is committed to the far left agenda of the Obama Administration. We can expect Pelosi and Reid to try and silence Fox News also. I don't think this is what the founders had in mind concerning a free press. |
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Who cares about the journey? All that matters is where the candidates end up. Apparently liberal Christians end up in a different place than conservative Christians.
Liberal Christians like Obama apparently believe abortion without restriction (even forbidding an aborted baby born alive food or attention)is a God-given right that requires Constitutional protection.
Liberal Christians like Obama feel same-sex marriage is a God-given right. Not only should it be a Constitutionally protected right, according to Michelle, those who don't see it that way are intolerant and therefore unChristian.
Liberal Christians like Obama believe that Christ's mandate to sell all that you have and lay it willingly at the apostles' feet gives government the right to tax by coercion and lay the revenues at the government's feet.
So, while conservatives' Christian faith may inform their political beliefs, it appears liberals' political principles inform their religious beliefs. |
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i will continue to make this point.
orrin hatch, harry reid and romney and his father attended a mormon church that until 1978 had institutionalized racism that stated blacks were an inferior race and any mormon who married one should be killed.
these politicians attended that church for decades while that policy was in place.
why did they not leave that church?
do i think their church made them racist.
absolutely not, the same way obamas church did not make him racist. |
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certainly did shape Obama's character and his faith...he admits that in his writings and in his earlier speeches. Rev Wright's church has a statement of faith that reads nearly word-for-word from the tenets of Black Liberation Theology. Since that includes hatred of whites as the oppressors, one must assume that is what was taught at Trinity. If you don't agree, take a look at Rev Wright's sermons, Rev Moss' sermons, the nasty priest who was an honored guest, Farrakhan who was an honored guest, etc. Where do all these ideas fit with Christianity? They don't. BLT bluntly states that any God who loves white people equally with black people isn't the God they worship. |
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The former Mormon policies have been discussed ad nauseum. Back in the day some Mormon leaders said some things that reflected the racism of the time for which they have humbly apologized by saying: We were wrong.
Members of the Church during that time knew that it was just a matter of time that the ban would be lifted. Did the ban on African blacks receiving the priesthood cause Mormons to be racist? No, studies show that Mormons of the time were no more or less racist than the rest of America.
Now, should they have been better than average Americans? Sure. But, you are right, there is absolutely no evidence whatsoever that the Mormon politicians you mention are one bit racist.
However, unlike the UTCC sermons, you will not hear anything preached from a Mormon pulpit re: race except that we are all children of the same Heavenly Father and as such should love one another as He loves us.
Mormons of all colors worship in a completely color-blind manner.
Racial issues evidently play a huge role at UTCC. "White men's greed rules a world in need," is the catch-phrase that attracted Obama. UTCC promotes all things African over all things "European."
It divides the world into colored and white, African and European, and rich and poor. These divisions are antithetical to Mormonism and indeed most of Christianity.
Divisions seem to be at the heart of Obama's worship. Your comparison is flawed. |
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First, obambi, you, and the rest of the left believe that man CAN perfect himself, you are "enlightened". The overriding theme of the Bible is that man CANNOT perfect himself, hence, "for he hath made him to be sin for us who knew no sin; that we might be the righteousness of God in him", 2Corinthians5:21. There is not a leftist in the world that believes that passage, "no not one". "But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. But he that is spiritual judgeth ALL things, yet he himself is judged of NO man", 1Corinthians2:14,15. This is why I can "judge" obambi's "Christianity" or lack there of. "For god so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish but have everlasting life", John3:16. "That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved", Romans10:9. Obambi believes that there are many ways to Heaven and that his mother who was an atheist is in fact in Heaven. The 2 previous verses do not square with this notion. No true believer in the Word of God would believe it either. "My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me", John10:27. "Verily, verily, i say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the Kingdom of God", John3:3. "Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them", Matt.7:20. Obambi, to believe as he does concerning abortion, especially the ghoulish practice of partial birth abortion, would lead me or any true Believer to know that his "Christianity" is nothing more than political expediency, and that his "fruits" reveal who he really is, a "wink and a nod" Christian. |
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I guess it just isn't the same when I'm not here. Second-raters like Neo and Sloandog start surmising about what I'm doing and how many friends I have and whether or not I am invited anywhere on the Fourth. Pretty frigging pathetic. The loser speculations of idle and uninteresting losers.
By the way, Neo, Grammy sends her best. |
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Oh boo hoo hoo. I'm sure your "spiritual journey" (to use Hewittian quotes) as been way beyond my paltry imaginings.
I do know this: there is a distinction between spirit and truth. They are not the same thing. They are, indeed, as different the dark deep and the light of word. But again, who am I compared to the mighty Christianist ideology?! What was Dobson's phrase? "..the traditional understanding of the Bible.." That says it all. That phrase encapsilates conservative "Christianity." It sounds weighty. Its sounds meaningful. And Lord knows there are millions who believe it. And yet, it is an assertion that is backed by neither the better part of our Christian heritage nor by respectable understanding of Scriptural text. It is just more self-important blow-hardism--and it is this self-important blow-hardism that is at the base of the criticism of Barack's faith.
So you're right. I don't know about you particularly. No one "knows" each other in these parts. But I've got my mind around the act of American evangelical Christianity. I know THAT well enough...and it is knowledge that is rooted in an understanding of our Christian faith. |
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leftist is weighing in on "spirituality". Thats like Hugo Chavez giving his opinion on the free market. You are a very well known anti-Christian. Your "Christianity" is perfectly documented by the Apostle Paul, when he said that "they have a form of religion, but they deny the power", that power is JESUS CHRIST, and we know that that name drives you into a leftist looney fit, so much so, that you are forced to turn to your "enlightenment", explanation as way to diminish the influence that he has had on the founding of this grand country and an influence that is ever, on going, much to you leftists, chagrin. Each time the conversation is about faith, one things for sure, your warped attempt at convincing all that it can be achieved without "that man, Christ Jesus". Your hatred for conservatives and for the fact that the founders were unashamed believers on Christ is based primarily on your rejection of Christ as the Son of God and in his redeeming power. The fact that Jesus is the ONLY way to salvation sends you into convulsions. If obambi were really "born again", someone like you would never be a supporter. Thats why i KNOW, that obambi is a "wink and nod a Christian" a CINO, if you will, Christian in name only. You leftists, Christians, yeah right, your "enlightened". |
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I guess his "spiritual journey" brought him to the conclusion that abortion is spiffy especially partial birth abortion ( you know thr procedure where the punction the back of the head of a 7 month old 'child' and suck its brains out while it is mere inches from the birth canal)...which he is a proponent for. Yes I guess his journey brought him to the place were Jesus told him was something "christians like Obama" should embrace.
"Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?' Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!'
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I..ummm...Rest my case. Grinding, Needy, Self-Aggrandizing and Snicker Provoking. Sad.
Sign Above His Basement Digs at Gammy's: DEFACO ERGO SUM.
Twoo, how vewy, vewy twoo. |
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On Parsley, I live close, where brob lives, never heard of Parsley. Where in Ohio, he is so influential?
I am Roman Catholic, liberation theology, a small movement started in South America, toward Marxism, and was put to end by John Paul II firmly, no other place this movement was involved, and recognized, as it has its roots in communism, and has no place in the Catholic Church.
brob, stop changing facts, by posting several incoherent exagerated fairy tales! |
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Here is what I told fbear about libtards using marxism as a crutch to argue about religion.
fbear writes: Sunday, July, 06, 2008 2:56 PM
But the G.O.P. worships wealth
EXACTLY what Jesus warned against.
Arch says"
Not so fbear. The right only advocates the freedom and liberty of all the people of the world to accumulate and reap the harvest of which that they sow, wealth to the nth degree. Only in that way can humanity be sustained with compassion and well being. The worship of wealth is what Jesus warned against and any conservative and libtard who does so is condemned. Who would care for the poor better, An equally poor society with no direction from God, or a wealthy society abiding by the scriptures? The founders were a Christian nation and expected the latter. Who of them knew that leftist ideology would deceive and confuse a majority to vote away their God given unalienable rights? Satan operates this way in the Biblical account as the father of all lies and You libtards have followed suit. You are all evil and will reap the just rewards of your ways in the bitter end. Just remember that it was good old Arch who warned you!! |
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Good job of nailing the liar and exposing him for what he is. Some people especially libtards like to fantasize with their PC and spin fairy tales to the forum readers. Brob is another libtard fantasizing!! |
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Excellent and quite a thorough post on the nature and formation of Islam and their long term islamization of the world. Their plan in the U.S. is right on track as you have mentioned. (i.e. CARE, & their tactics.)
Truly, Obama's close associates and friends; Jeremiah Wright (his spiritual mentor), Ayers and Dohrns, Rashid Khalidi, (PLO supporter, co-founder Arab-American Action Network, for years Obamas were their dinner guests at Hyde Park home),Tony Rezko, James Meeks, all, add up to his qualifications, as not to be our next president.
Khalidi in Feb. of 2008, said: he is supporting Obama for President because he is the only candidate who has expressed real sympathy for the Palestinian cause.
Thanks again for such a great accurate work. |
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Here is the deal with that clod: he has no principle. If I am posting, I am "needy." If I am not posting, I am "hiding." He is a perfect proxy for what is wrong with conservatism generally in this country, and why you guys have no moral authority any more. You start from what you want, what you feel, and find the "principle" to accommodate it. Random. Imperious. Self-insistent. Emotive. Feminine. In fact, it is almost Jungian. The team which is "masculine" is feminine to the bone, and the team which is "feminine" (my team) is manly and rational.
And while we're at it, this business about PL being a "bloviator" is case-in-point at how weak and unprincipled and morally unauthoritative you clowns are. That is what this space is for: bloviating. Nobody is engaging in direct action or whatever (I guess "the cabal" likes to think it is running things, like some child up in the cheap seats thinks that he is "running" the game below). They are just getting up here and spewing. The fact that I am the best spewer of all--the most articulate, rational, clever, witty, literary--make ME the bloviator. Hey, in an area where bloviation is the coin of the realm, I'll take your acknowledgment of my greatness with my customary humility and good spirit. |
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..and by the way, Neoschmuck, how is everything working out in this campaign for you? Just be glad we didn't go double-or-nothing, loser. You've been wrong down the line. And you are going to continue to be wrong through November and into January, when we finally get a real leader--a credit to our nation.
Ha. Looks like Minneapolis is going to get nasty. Smell the tear gas, bay-bee. Mmmmmmm. And Denver is going to be a lovefest. Like I said, wrong down the line. But that's okay. You and your Hollywood "conservative" buddies can spend the next eight years crying and whining in your soup..
And now, gentlemen, this particular bloviator has to trundle off and earn some income. Ciao, chumps.. |
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to 3-brief, acerbic sentences. Rest-o my case-o!
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...So little time to do it...
The "Pathetic Liberal" writes this morning at 9:05AM:
"The team which is "masculine" is feminine to the bone, and the team which is "feminine" (my team) is manly and rational."
Really, Oh twisted one of gargantuan confusion?
Democrat Party, the party of, "CODE-PINK".
Two weeks ago Medea Benjamin declared in a television interview that she was not supporting any candidate---Ooooops, she has not only helped raise vast amounts of campaign funds for Obama---she openly applauds his "Party of Defeat" politics. She is the epitome of a Obama supporter.
Jodie Evans, another torchbearer of feminine forces within the Party of Defeat. Evans has a record of inflammatory statements such as saying that women were better off in Iraq under Saddam Hussein, "Men are dying in their Hummers in Iraq so you can drive around in yours" and, my favorite, that the invasion of Iraq amounted to "global testosterone poisoning."
These are only some representations and infusions of femme fatale forces within the Democrat Party.
CINDY SHEEHAN---epitome of feminine forces, feckless feminine falderal within the DEMOCRAT PARTY.
There are countless more.
The Democrat Party, that party which embraces the most feminine of characteristics; FEELINGS. It's all about the way in which someone FEELS which should direct their principles.
EMOTIONS. Another of the powerful fortifying tenets within this pathetic party.
All feminine. All Liberal.
As the old English saying goes,
"Young adults who aren’t liberal have no heart and middle-aged adults who aren’t conservative have no brain."
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he who has spoke with conviction about his Massiah, Obama, and how this guy is "PRINCIPLED".
Yeah, tell us more, Oh Pathetic One.
***He's just changed his principled position on "faith-based" initiatives.
***He's just changed his HUGELY PRINCIPLED position on FISA, and the telephonic surveillance of suspected terrorists----NOW THAT'S PRINCIPLE.
More to Come---YeeeeHaaaaw!
He continues to move more and more to the center---pi$$ing off his Leftist cabal. He is so NOT about any NEW politics. Only a Pethetic Liberal is ignorant enough to deny that. |
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that thing they call the democrat convention, and what you call a "lovefest", well guess what leftist, just last week, the FBI office here in Denver said that there would be 300 extra FBI agents at the "lovefest" and that there would be NO time off during the "lovefest" for the Denver Police Dept. as well as all surrounding Police Depts. Recreate 68' and "Kent State" are here and promising to be extra loving during the "lovefest", so much so that the city is putting up chicken wire to keep them from loving too much. Because of the "loving" influence that the leftists will bring to our fair city, thousands are leaving town during that week, so great will be the "love". Your right "rock gut leftist", yes indeed, it will be a "lovefest" but i think you're confusing us with Martha's Vineyard, some place called ,Provincetown, your leftists budds are sure having a "lovefest" up there, oooh doggies, those boys are doing one another, right out in the open. Must be celebratin' the fact that they can now, marry. Your "budds" sure no how to "lovefest" hey, pathetic liberal leftist fool. |
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was a nice touch leftist. For the last year i have pointed out that the ideological fight between right and left is really a fight between masculine and feminine. The left is feminine in nature and the right is masculine in nature. Your even more foolish than, even i, thought if you disagree with this immutable fact. Your party long ago jettisoned the male influence and obambi is the perfect candidate because he's, feminine, thats why you all adore "him", so much. He is far more feminine than Hillary was and men need not apply for any job at the DNC, that is, liberalville, if you will, because it's all girl all the time, at liberalville, don't you know that, pathetic one? Your party's the female party, has been for 45 years, where in the heck have you been, probably been too busy, loathing Christians, to see it. |
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PL projects more than anyone I've ever read. Fascinating. |
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Man, you guys are hurtin.' Anything for a little leverage, eh weaklings?! |
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I know your argument. Heard it a zillion times. I'm putting forward a Jungian counter-argument that there is a hidden feminine side to the Right--as evidenced in your shrill, random, self-insistent, emotional assertions. And there is a hidden masculine side to liberalism--cool, rational, analytic, true. At the heart and in the essence, despite the fact that there is a gender gap in American politics, the true breakdown is quite the opposite of what people think it is. So muddle on ahead with your cliche little illusions. You've always been quite able when it comes to self-deception. |
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A principled guy is someone who doesn't change his mind? That's stupid and ridiculous.
A principled guy, fyi, is someone who applies his standards evenly across the board. He does not lazily demand from others (like brevity, for instance) what he does not demand from himself or those who are like him. He does not mix and match his values to the needs of the moment. Rather, a principled guy is rational, equitable, and consistent. The principle comes first, the behavior later. From what I can tell, you guys are the exact opposite.
Liberals principles are built low to the ground, but have a secular universality about them. Conservatives--especially this generation of conservatives--build their principles from Jesus up in the sky, and invoke them as it suits their purposes. Compassion is in order when it feels right, cruelty is in order when it feels right. Under the stewardship of contemporary conservatism, moral principle has become an emotive yaying and booing.
You guys have lost your moral authority. The days are over when you could lecture Americans about Godliness, social erosion and the decline of moral absolutes. Your opinions are held in contempt because they are ill-conceived platitudes and nothing more. You are condemned by your own leadership, your own second-rate behavior. America is ready for a period where the morality is less severe, but more rational--less emotional and more humane.
And now, I must go. I'll come back when I can.. |
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the Grandiosity is sad, as well, don'tcha think?
My neighbor, a terrific Winter Park headshrinker, uses Blovie's stuff as an archtype model. He says it is absolutely perfect. See, the twit's good for something. :-) |
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so, its your argument that sissys like you on the left are really masculine but just stealth masculine. You must be jesting. You know, i originally thought that you had some semblance of wisdom, but the more i read your arguments, the more i'm convinced that there really isn't much difference between you and the dual fools, bjob-bugsy. The democrat party has long since eliminated any true male influence, to deny this is just ridiculous. The feminist/gay lobby is in total control of your party, and they are waging all out war on males, and have been for 45 years. Everything from the Boy Scouts to Augusta National and everything in between is in their crosshairs. This ideological fight is about a world governed by a world view thats male or by a world view thats female. Feminists/gays hate Christians primarily because of their belief in a Patriarchal system, and they have been and are attempting to destroy the family, the cornerstone of this system. So called "gay marriage" is nothing more than a manifestation of this war. This is what your party now stands for, so it's time for you to "get real", and except who you are as a member of the democrat party, you are anti-family, anti- male and anti-Christian. To this, there can be NO doubt. |
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comment concerning the "lovefest". Tensions here in Denver are already palpable and people are planning to leave that week. Your "lovefest" analogy is as delusional as your stealth masculine comment was and as such, you are quickly falling into the "dual fools" level of wisdom or in other words, having NONE! |
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It's a headshaker for sure. |
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...remains confused about most every issue he opines on.
Please confine those little "boxes" you use for family members and assiociates. They do not fit here. You have no earthly clue as to my relationship with Jesus, how He influences my "conservatism" and the like.
You cannot even come to grips with your own morality---as you've expressed in the past-----prefer to project that confusion upon others. How self-involved.
How truly narcissistic.
Your little crap narrative as to feminine/conservatism, masculine/Liberalsim is nothing but the biggest joke of the day.
A tru Laugher.
You have no earthly idea what you blabber on about. It is what makes you so uniquely, Pathetically Liberal.
Example of the day:
The troika of tenets for Liberalism is indeed:
1.) Feelings.
2.) Emotions.
3.) Hysterics.
These are the traits of Liberalism, Leftism, Victicratism, and the "Party of Defeat".
Code Pink is your party affiliate. Emotional pleas are their favorite tell.
PETA is in your rank and file. Feelings is what they sell.
Enviro-activists (including Eco-terrorists). They belong to you. Hysterics is their M.O.
"Spotted Owl" ravings and rants. Totally and factually incorrect in what they espoused.
Man-Made Global Warming chants.
A century-long mismanagement of our forestry system---manifest by the thousands of uncontrollable fires, some on massive scale---fires brought about by radical environmental influence in squelching ALL FIRES, natural ones, cleansing ones.
Agendas pushed forward by the FEMININE traits of, Hysterics, emotionalism, feelings.
Argue and blabber on as you will, Oh Confused One.
(It changes not the pathetic paradaim you exist within. And surely does nothing to convince nor challenge many who visit this site.)
You remain a truly sad individual; just one of the crosses you bear. |
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authority". One cannot lose what he never had, what you have NO clue about "pathetic one" is that's the whole ball of wax, the reason for Christ. Man never had moral authority and he could NEVER get any nor could he "perfect himself". This is what you leftists will NEVER understand and why the Apostle Paul stated that "there is none good, no not one". You view yourself as above it all, THE MORAL ONE, "enlightened" if you will. Someday, oh pathetic one, you will know the folly of, the "enlightened" class. Your "righteousness is as a filthy rag" to God, oh MORAL ONE, and that rag the Bible talks about are rags from the puss of lepers, thats how filthy God views your morality, your righteousness. Born again believers know this and gratefully accept Christ's righteousness, something, someone as pompous as you will never do, oh, MORAL ONE. |
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cottoneyed writes: Tuesday, July, 08, 2008 11:47 PM
"You guys have lost your moral
authority". One cannot lose what he never had, what you have NO clue about "pathetic one" is that's the whole ball of wax, the reason for Christ. Man never had moral authority and he could NEVER get any nor could he "perfect himself". This is what you leftists will NEVER understand and why the Apostle Paul stated that "there is none good, no not one". You view yourself as above it all, THE MORAL ONE, "enlightened" if you will. Someday, oh pathetic one, you will know the folly of, the "enlightened" class. Your "righteousness is as a filthy rag" to God, oh MORAL ONE, and that rag the Bible talks about are rags from the puss of lepers, thats how filthy God views your morality, your righteousness. Born again believers know this and gratefully accept Christ's righteousness, something, someone as pompous as you will never do, oh, MORAL ONE.
Arch says"
You are a true hero with that post Cotton!! Man you rock!! Carry on my friend!! |
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