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Thursday, August 27, 2009
NO CONSERVATIVE DEFENSE FOR POLITICAL VIOLENCE
Posted by: Michael Medved at 2:23 PM

The constitution firmly protects our right to bear arms, but displaying those weapons in an inflammatory context can deeply damage the conservative cause.

A protester named William Kostric showed up at President Obama’s New Hampshire Townhall meeting wearing a holstered gun on his leg and carrying a sign that read: “It is Time to Water the Tree of Liberty.” The sign referred to Thomas Jefferson’s quote that, “The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.” With this background, the gun-toting protester was clearly calling for murder, suicide or both.

How else could you interpret his sign? What other liquid, besides blood, did he have in mind for “watering” the liberty tree? Serious conservatives make a big mistake when they defend such sick and irresponsible calls for violence.



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Val writes: Thursday, August, 27, 2009 2:41 PM
BRAVO MR. MEDVED!!!!
first of all I want to thank you for having the courage to stand up to the right wing idealologues who just either don't know or don't care where the "line" is. Yesterday was a day of great SHAME for the Right as they lost all sense of decorum and sanity in attacking the departed.

Thank you for not allowing these "mental midgets" who constantly invoking the founder fathers to support their own "inner violence" to continue to taint the voice of townhall.

I am sick oand tired of the corruption of Jefferson's quote and PRAISE YOU A FOR CALLING THESE MALCONTENTS OUT ON THEIR HYPOCRISY.

Thank You

P.S. ignore the hate mail you're going to get; it only means you have hit a "bullseye."

I hope you remember that if you and other serious bloggers here fail to address the "Extremeists of the far right" they will eventually overwhelm this site and damage the credibility of all involved.
sloandog writes: Thursday, August, 27, 2009 2:54 PM
Stay on the porch Medved!
You always were a lightweight.William Kostric was within his legal bounds,hence no arrest.He represents a line in the sand as to how far you can push a free people.How far are you willing to retreat on your principles MR Medved?
socalcon writes: Thursday, August, 27, 2009 2:55 PM
Cons, Libs and Libertarians all
have their fringe elements. I would accept that the libs would define this as a teaching moment. But the pupil is Mr Kostric. No need to scold the rational people from all sides. They dismiss this guys method of exercising his first and second amendment rights.

Wasn’t that the 11th of August? Michael, you cheapskate, pony up for DSL!
Exeye writes: Thursday, August, 27, 2009 2:55 PM
Yeah, was a bit over the top
Sort of like bicycle riders who insist on using the left lane. It's your right, but, dude. That being said, sure got the Marxists' attention, didn't it?
The Plumber writes: Thursday, August, 27, 2009 3:02 PM
Tory
When do "calls for violence" become not-sick and not-irresponsible? When do taxes become high enough to say, "OK, we are all socialists now."? Should this be prevented, and if so, when?

Here's another Jefferson quote, Medved...and Val

"When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty."

I'll avoid trouble with it, but I'll never fear government again. Ever.

Live on your knees, Medved. Lick the hands which feed you.


Cicero writes: Thursday, August, 27, 2009 3:03 PM
Spare me, Medved.
You wishy-washycons always come down on the wrong side of this issue. Fact is, Kostric was carrying his sidearm LEGALLY. Fact is, Obama was nowhere near him. Fact is, the police and Secret Service had Kostric under view. Fact is, Kostrics demonstration was not only not about healtcare, but it was a *properly symbolic* statement about government tyranny. (Well, unless you you happen to DISAGREE with Jefferson, that is, and I wouldn't be surprised to learn that you do.)

And the fact is, Val is a liberal moron. No wonder he agrees with you.

Here is an interview with Kostric that is well worth reading.

By *true conservatives*, that is:

http://thefastertimes.com/nonsensenews/2009/08/17/the-willi am-kostric-interview-part-one/


Corndog writes: Thursday, August, 27, 2009 3:05 PM
AMEN BROTHER SLOANDOG!!

"He represents a line in the sand ..."

The libs would prefer we leave our arms at home so the union and acorn thugs don't feel intimidated whilst bashing in our skulls.
Legally Remove BO writes: Thursday, August, 27, 2009 3:11 PM
Agree 100% ARMED REVOLUTION's NOT
NECESSARY. Our Constitution provides for remedies for reforming a corrupt government in a civil and peaceful manner. If we resort to violence, we become like obama supporters.

Our Founding Fathers gave We the People the Fourth Branch of Government, the Citizens Grand Jury, in Our Bill of Rights. These 12 Simple Steps are the way for Patriots to keep control of the Government and Clean up Corruption in Washington.

http://grandjury.blogtownhall.com/
Cicero writes: Thursday, August, 27, 2009 3:29 PM
By the way, Val. . .
the word is "ideologue."
Big Sky Cowboy writes: Thursday, August, 27, 2009 3:34 PM
Carry and Conceal
I'm permitted to carry my weapon concealed, I don't often, I would not carry at a town hall. Mr. Kostric had a right to carry his, still not the smartest move in my opinion, the problem I have is all the libs believe we all run around town with our hair on fire waving our guns and shooting out street lights. It is a big responsibility to have a gun, that responsibility I take seriously, only things that have to worry about me carrying are things that would do harm to my family or myself.
sloandog writes: Thursday, August, 27, 2009 3:38 PM
Cicero that link was outstanding!
That was much appreciated.Do you think Mr Medved will have the courage to read it?
My brother Corndog I will be in Washington DC on 9/12 practicing my right to assemble(unarmed of course).Yes I will protest along with thousands of my fellow concerned citizens,and if that doesn't work than what? Shall we all just complain upon deaf ears as our way of life is eroded bit by bit until our children will know nothing of the freedoms we experienced.People like Medved live in the world of the debate,it's action that changes the world...ACORN,SEIU,Obama knows this we have to play catchup or we will be lost.
Kaboom writes: Thursday, August, 27, 2009 3:43 PM
Mr. Medved
you 'serious conservatives' have let the inmates run your 'conservative' asylum.

If someone is hurt, the blood is on all your 'conservative' hands. Watch all the new gun laws and speech restrictions (and prosecution of treason laws) happen.
Cicero writes: Thursday, August, 27, 2009 3:44 PM
Sloandog asks:
"Do you think Mr Medved will have the courage to read it?"

Doubtful.
Legally Remove BO writes: Thursday, August, 27, 2009 3:45 PM
Well Said Big Sky!!!

1) Advertise and Promote the Fact that you are forming a Grand Jury in Blogs, Local Newspapers and Community Organizations.
2) Form the Grand Jury and select a Foreman.
3) Select a Private Attorney General to make Presentments to Grand Jury, if local DA refuses to make presentments.
4) Select a convenient Meeting Place.
5) Communicate with all Citizens who have criminal information to present.
6) Schedule presentments by said Citizens.
7) Subpoena documents from Government Offices and Officials.
8) Schedule presentment of said Documents to Grand Jury by Grand Jury Attorney General.
9) Have Grand Jury Attorney General present said Documents to Grand Jury.
10) After investigation and deliberation is completed, vote and issue a True Bill (Indictment) or No True Bill.
11 Announce all Indictments to the Press.
12) Serve the Indictment on the Judiciary for the Issuance of Arrest Warrants.


http://grandjury.blogtownhall.com/
Eugene writes: Thursday, August, 27, 2009 3:49 PM
You know Michael....
The next time Mr. Kostric does this, why don't you tell him to his face he is out of line and ask him to leave?

If he resists, read him a movie review. And stay away from the chick flicks. I recommend some Chuck Norris or John Wayne. If you think it will be a problem, ask Prager, Bennet and Hewitt to join you.

I don't think what he did was right and I reject his behavior.......today. Check back with me as the situation changes.

But don't you lecture me about him.

And 'serious conservatives' make a big mistake when they accept you as a 'serious conservative'.

Have fun on your next radio cruise!!!
vladimir estragon writes: Thursday, August, 27, 2009 3:49 PM
More hysteria
Nobody, left or right, has ever denied that Kostic was completely within his rights. Most of the comments here assume otherwise.

What is it with most gun-owners? You say, "How about those Yankees?" and they scream, "They're trying to take my gun away!"
Cicero writes: Thursday, August, 27, 2009 3:57 PM
The only hysteria, Blathermir,
that has been generated by this incident comes from the left. Look at Little Chrissie Matthews as your prime example.
Apollo writes: Thursday, August, 27, 2009 3:59 PM
Threat? Or Reminder?
Kostric should have put this in the form of question "Is it time to water the tree of liberty?" It would have put the focus where it belonged, on whether we are heading towards dictatorship. Instead, this idiot put the focus on whether he was threatening the president, not whether the president was a threat to liberty.

A much more interesting question is are we heading towards a "thugocracy" like Venezuela. At least one Obama appointee has expressed admiration for Chavez and the way in which he handled the media that opposed him.

What will you do if ACORN pickets your business and puts pictures of your children on the internet along with the addresses of their schools?

What will you do if you are subpoenaed to explain the meaning of one of your townhall statements, and whether or not you have threatened the administration?

Where does tyranny begin and non-violence end?
Jerry writes: Thursday, August, 27, 2009 4:03 PM
Yea!!! Big Sky and Legally are here
My favorite right-wing looneys are back!! So, legally, how's the Grand Jury working for you?? Make sure you post the instructions another dozen times now -- we havent' seen it enough. Are we calling in the Marines to escort him out yet??

I heard that 9/11/01 was Obama's doing. Any truth to that? I know it was 8 years before he was President, but I know that "legally remove' and "big sky" will find a way to blame him.

Bring it on -- Let the jokes begin!!
vladimir estragon writes: Thursday, August, 27, 2009 4:08 PM
Apollo
"What will you do if ACORN pickets your business and puts pictures of your children on the internet along with the addresses of their schools?"

Really? ACORN does that? Wow, that's really shocking. Hard to imagine an American movement doing vile things like that.
socalcon writes: Thursday, August, 27, 2009 4:08 PM
Ka-pop
Nice try with :"If someone is hurt, the blood is on all your 'conservative' hands"

You know that holds no water after the transgender/crossdressing SEIU paid volnteer vandalized the Democrat storefront in Colorado.

But, so as not to damage your self-esteem, you get an "A" for effort.
vladimir estragon writes: Thursday, August, 27, 2009 4:11 PM
Chris Matthews
"The only hysteria, Blathermir,
that has been generated by this incident comes from the left."

Please don't hold me responsible for anything Chris Matthews says, including "and" and "the."

Like I said, just read this page. Look at all the commenters saying or assuming that somebody wants to deny Kostric his rights. Look at the spike in gun sales after Obama was elected - you remember that, don't you? Obama specifically said he was NOT going to introduce any gun legislation, and across the country state and local jurisdictions were RELAXING gun laws. But you can't fool those gun owners! Nope, they're ready to get riled up and BUY MORE GUNS, promptly on cue from the NRA and the gun manufacturers.
vladimir estragon writes: Thursday, August, 27, 2009 4:13 PM
Huh?
"You know that holds no water after the transgender/crossdressing SEIU paid volnteer vandalized the Democrat storefront in Colorado."

How much blood was spilled there?

Incidentally, after an Army recruiter was shot in a drive-by earlier this year, our pal Eugene said all the liberal posters here have blood on their hands.
Val writes: Thursday, August, 27, 2009 4:22 PM
"Jerry"+"Vlad the moon man"
"Jerry"

Anytime you feel like "steppin" into the "no spin" zone I'll get you a "seat." You can bring your loofa-Bill will bring "the facts." We'll see who wins. Hint: it won't be you. Place your bets "accordingly."

Vlad-

And "the plumber" said all "liberal posters" consort with "rapists" so think of the kind of "logic" that inhabits "these here parts."
Cicero writes: Thursday, August, 27, 2009 4:26 PM
Blathermir writes. . .
"Please don't hold me responsible for anything Chris Matthews says, including "and" and "the.""

I'm just saying the only hysteria over the demonstration Medved mentions has come from the left. "Eek, a (G-Dammned) Gun!"

"Like I said, just read this page. Look at all the commenters saying or assuming that somebody wants to deny Kostric his rights. Look at the spike in gun sales after Obama was elected - you remember that, don't you? Obama specifically said he was NOT going to introduce any gun legislation, and across the country state and local jurisdictions were RELAXING gun laws. But you can't fool those gun owners! Nope, they're ready to get riled up and BUY MORE GUNS, promptly on cue from the NRA and the gun manufacturers."

As I review the responses above, I don't see too much in the way of assertions that someone was denying his rights. Most of the responses are merely aimed at Medved's pussyfootin'.

As for the rest of that paragraph, well, the American gun culture was right to stock up, given Obama's legislative record. Not to mention utterances by Ratboy Emanuel and AG Holder that the renewed assault weapon ban is in the wings. Besides, it's impossible to own too many guns.
Richard writes: Thursday, August, 27, 2009 4:34 PM
Bravo!
Medved again demonstrates why he's one of the smartest conservative thinkers -- and therefore more likely to be ignored here.
Cicero writes: Thursday, August, 27, 2009 4:40 PM
Well lookey there, Mr. Medved. . .
Richard the Hoplophobe Wussie Boy Wonder wanders in to opine.

Let's see, Michael, so far you have three liberal-lefties on your side, and no conservatives.

I'd say that's instructive, wouldn't you?
Exeye writes: Thursday, August, 27, 2009 4:52 PM
Blood on our hands
Yep. Just like Concord green. When those redcoats marched in to seize the powder? Our fault.
The Plumber writes: Thursday, August, 27, 2009 4:53 PM
Val
"And "the plumber" said all "liberal posters" consort with "rapists" so think of the kind of "logic" that inhabits "these here parts.""

Don't be fast and loose with the facts, provide the link to our conversation so that readers can get the full context of my comments.

And for cryin' out loud, lay off the quotation marks.
Cicero writes: Thursday, August, 27, 2009 5:07 PM
Oh no!
Another "violent symbol" depicted in "inflammatory context"!:

http://www.mediabistro.com/baynewser/original/500px-gadsden _flag.gif

What's a "serious conservative" to do!?
Val writes: Thursday, August, 27, 2009 5:16 PM
"the plumber"
You said "it", you know you said "it", and if you hadn't said "it" you wouldn't be playing the "context game."

And as far as facts let me intoduce you to the "classic peacefrog gambit"....

"Who cares who said what when?"

You may invoke this "defense" now and just be "done with it.

Legally Remove BO writes: Thursday, August, 27, 2009 5:21 PM
Well Said Plumber!

http://grandjury.blogtownhall.com/
Cicero writes: Thursday, August, 27, 2009 5:21 PM
"Val"
"Lay" "off" "the" "quotation" "marks" "like" "The" "Plumber" "said." "You" "write" "like" "szhit". "Capiche?"
Cicero writes: Thursday, August, 27, 2009 5:24 PM
Kaploop writes. . .
"Watch all the new gun laws and speech restrictions (and prosecution of treason laws) happen."

Or not.

You live in a dreamland, my dear.
Cicero writes: Thursday, August, 27, 2009 5:31 PM
Oops.
I wrote. . .

"Let's see, Michael, so far you have three liberal-lefties on your side, and no conservatives.

I'd say that's instructive, wouldn't you?"

Make that 5 liberal-lefties, and no conservatives. Perhaps you'd like to redefine the term "serious conservative," Mr. Medved?
Kaboom writes: Thursday, August, 27, 2009 5:34 PM
Cicero and others
you are very ignorant and/or confused. What happened in our revolutionary war was the result of something called 'taxation without representation', etc. In other words, colonists didn't believe they had rights to run their own land. That isn't of course what is going on in our country--each of your righties, no matter how uneducated, no matter how fearful, no matter how ignorant, has the right (even if you don't know how to use it, or don't use it) to vote and get your point of view elected. Just because you lost doesn't mean you get to force your losing pov on the rest of us by threatening violence or shouting down your opponents. If you truly believe in our constitution and all that you pretend to support (you really don't, only if you are in the majority), then you would accept the losses (as you tell those of us who, for example, don't like Prop 8 in CA) and seek to elect folks who agree with your pov. That's what I am doing with my dollars and time...working to reverse Prop 8. I don't go to Prop 8 rallies and shout the proponents down...I do make sure I do not financially support those who support Prop 8 as boycotts are as much 'speech' as going on the radio or buying an ad.

Well, same with these issues.

If any of the sore losers (on either side, but we on the left tend not to have guns) harm the president, the blood will be on your rightie hands. And then you will bear the consequences...you may think it is an idle threat...I don't think so. Just as so many of you jumped in lockstep with the Patriot Act and all the harm it caused after 9/11 (gotta get the terrorists, right?), most folks will jump in lockstep with anti gun and other amendments. So fast your rightleaning heads will spin. Not a threat, just a realization you should understand.

Val writes: Thursday, August, 27, 2009 5:39 PM
Mr. Medved? Pay them no heed...
please regard "Cicero" as exactly the kind of "schmuck" I mention in my initial post-besides he's a "libertarian" who wants to "legalize drugs among other things; next thing you know he'll be calling you a "conservative statist" to force you into his "cheap paradigm."

That's not who you want on your "side!"

That "guy" is cleary "part of the problem." Let's face it you knew that "conservatives" needed a calming down when you wrote this.
And I am so glad you did!

"Good work and keep it up."
Cicero writes: Thursday, August, 27, 2009 5:47 PM
Kaploop. . .
Look, I've FORGOTTEN more 18th-century American history and political theory than you know. Taxation without representation wasn't the Revolutionary Generation's sole focus. They focused on a *number* of issues that had to do with the creation and preservation of republicanism, liberty, and prosperity. One of them was gun ownership and the right to revolution. On that issue, we and they speak with one voice.

You can keep setting forth idiotic scenarios - though "fantasies" is more like it - until you're blue in the face. Your always stupid mumblings do not intimidate us at all. The fact remains, we will not be ruled by you and your liberal-lefty ilk. That is something which is becoming abundantly clear to the Obama administration, and it's largely why it has been reduced to the sputtering, ineffective thing it is. Middle America is finally standing up:
http://coloradoconfederatarian.squarespace.com/journal/200 9/8/15/revolt-from-the-heartland.html

If you really think you can bend us to your will, babe, then bring it on.
Cicero writes: Thursday, August, 27, 2009 5:52 PM
"Don't" "worry" "Val"
"Medved" "will" "indeed" "pay" "us" "no" "heed." "And" "one" "day" "he'll" "simply" "fade" "away" "along" "with" "all" "the" "other" "'serious "conservatives'" "while" "a" "new" "brand" - "acutally" "an" "old" "brand" "-" "of" "conservative" "will" "lead" "the" "way."
Apollo writes: Thursday, August, 27, 2009 5:56 PM
Kaboom
"...most folks will jump in lockstep with anti gun and other amendments."

Perhaps that was among the things that motivated the lifetime lefty Lee Harvey Oswald.

" ...but we on the left tend not to have guns"

Not legal guns perhaps. Kennedy's bodyguard once carried a gun that is not legal to carry concealed anywhere in the US. Who was the gun control advocate who shot a deranged man in his swimming pool with his son's gun? His son worked for the FBI and "accidentally" left it in his father's house! Rosie O'Donnell insisted that her child's bodyguard carry a concealed handgun.

No attempt on the life of a president has ever been made by a free marketeer or NRA member or even a member of the John Birch Society. Assassination is the province of lefties and loonies.
Cicero writes: Thursday, August, 27, 2009 5:57 PM
And Val. . .
did you know that someone shot Hamilton?
Cicero writes: Thursday, August, 27, 2009 6:02 PM
Apollo asks. . .
"Who was the gun control advocate who shot a deranged man in his swimming pool with his son's gun? His son worked for the FBI and "accidentally" left it in his father's house!"

That would be Carl Rowan, Sr. His son, Carl Rowan Jr., went on to become a vocal proponent of gun rights.
Richard writes: Thursday, August, 27, 2009 6:33 PM
"Obama Tags"
You gun-lovers are the most impotent weaklings around. More wacky GOP veiled threats to shoot and kill from a Republican hunter-governor hopeful:

An Idaho Republican gubernatorial hopeful insists he was only joking when he said he'd buy a license to hunt President Barack Obama.

Rex Rammell, slated to run against incumbent C.L. "Butch" Otter in the May 2010 GOP primary, made the comment at a Republican rally Tuesday in Twin Falls where talk turned to the state's planned wolf hunt, for which hunters must purchase an $11.50 wolf tag.

When an audience member shouted about "Obama tags," Rammell responded, "The Obama tags? We'd buy some of those."

http://www.magicvalley.com/articles/2009/08/27/ap-state-id/ id_obama_tags.txt
Cicero writes: Thursday, August, 27, 2009 6:37 PM
Richard
Now THAT's funny. Thanks for sharing.

I bet he tastes like chicken.
sloandog writes: Thursday, August, 27, 2009 6:51 PM
Thats cool Richard!
Maybe they could make a movie about it,you know like they did with Bush.
Richard writes: Thursday, August, 27, 2009 6:59 PM
Cicero: Beloved TH Racist
I'm sure Hewitt, Prager and Medved are mortified by this site's love of proto-killer bigots. But hey, keep up your whining petulant hate. You don't have any power.
Patriotic Liberal writes: Thursday, August, 27, 2009 7:07 PM
big men..
..packing heat. and you rats think you speak for our moral heritage? that you are "the people"? you aren't even entitled respect. nasty, contemptible punks who disgrace the important work of conservatism.

there ain't no fear. only disgust.
JimPVA writes: Thursday, August, 27, 2009 7:07 PM
GUNS, VIOLENCE AND CONSERVATIVES
Two weeks after the incident and after the Feds 'investigated' Kostric and filed no charges, Michael is screaming in all caps in mega-font size letters about this? I wouldn't have done what Kostric did, but no charges means no threat and it's over already. Why are you writing about it now? Serious conservatives defending what he did? Who would they be. Please name them so that we may read their arguments for ourselves and judge. You sound like O'Reilly who continually claims there are as many rightwing extremist smear merchants as there are leftwing smear merchants, but he never names them either; or Quin Hillyer who is all up in arms about the old folks getting rambunctious (see "Winning Without Wigging Out" at AmSpec. Be sure to read the comments). Relax Michael, and take your hoplophobia meds. We more rustic, non-prep school, outside the big city bubble types have it under control and we don't need lectures from hysterics.
John writes: Thursday, August, 27, 2009 7:16 PM
Deterrence, it ain't just for nukes...
What, exactly, is the purpose of "the right to keep and bear arms"? Protection of liberty. Every student of conflict knows that there is a continuum of force. One point on that continuum is the "silent implied threat". Open carry at a political event is exactly that, and is perfectly legitimate.

Any conservative who categorically disavows violence is, at best, a complete fool, not to mention ignorant of history. I would much rather see a dozen gun toting activists show up at a rally now than see a hundred gun wielding conservatives locked in a firefight 5 years from now because the "powers that be" were convinced that nobody would stand up to them, because nobody had before.

Deterrence. It works. Far more weapons are brandished and thereby dissuade a criminal from acting than are actually used against the criminals. The 2nd Amendment is founded on the realization that bad folk can be anywhere, including in government. I'm all for brandishing if it gives wanna-be tyrants pause.
sloandog writes: Thursday, August, 27, 2009 7:20 PM
Pat lip gives the ultimate compliment!
Anytime oxymoron becomes unhinged and is flailing around throwing insults like an interior decorator that has a nasty rash I get a feeling of satisfaction for a job well done.
Kaboom writes: Thursday, August, 27, 2009 7:23 PM
Cicero
the founders would have become royalists if they thought their philosophy and efforts would lead to what 'conservatives' do these days.

Even Reagan wouldn't recognize you nuts. Did you see Nancy's kind words about Teddy? She didn't have to say a word. And Carter, Bush I, Bush II, and Clinton will all attend Teddy's funeral. Along with Orrin Hatch and many true conservatives, those who know what the word means (and it doesn't mean anti-government). I know you all think that Reagan was anti-government...but if that were true, why didn't he just quit? He was head of the 'government'.
Clayton writes: Thursday, August, 27, 2009 7:26 PM
We don't want revolution. . .
Many want to make this a Liberal vs Conservative issue. . . It isn't! It is an American issue.

The founding fathers created the US of America to be a nation of freedom loving independents that were self-reliant.

We are not about government. Government is supposed to only fill the void that we as the people or business can't fill, such as building roads, sewers, and providing legal remedies. . .not providing welfare, agricultural subsidies, education or heath care.

Once they do these things then the government of the people for the people is lost and special interest wins and "the people" lose.
JimPVA writes: Thursday, August, 27, 2009 7:26 PM
SLOANDOG
Re your 7:20 post: LOL. Touche. Well said.
sloandog writes: Thursday, August, 27, 2009 7:27 PM
Kapoop
I'm sorry I fail to see any true conservatives on your list.
JimPVA writes: Thursday, August, 27, 2009 7:58 PM
KABOOM
'The Founders would have become royalists.....'. That is totally absurd. Your ignorance of American history is shocking. Also, more Reagan revisionism by a lefty. LOL. Re: Nancy, the Bushes et al. Prominent people say nice things about the deceased unless they are Hitler, Stalin or the like. That is normal polite behavior. Reading more into it than that makes you look foolish.
Kaboom writes: Thursday, August, 27, 2009 8:17 PM
No Jim
the founders would have found people like you to be the 'rabble', ignorant knownothings not worthy of the freedoms being bestowed upon you.

And President Reagan was a pragmatist...I can assure you he would have been against Prop 8, favor of embryonic stem cell research, would never have gone into Iraq.

You folks don't even know what a conservative is. You know what a reactionary is because you are reactionaries. You don't have ideas, you have fears. You don't lead, you follow wingnut leaders. You hate intelligent, educated people.

do you know the enemy? tis you.
JimPVA writes: Thursday, August, 27, 2009 8:23 PM
KABOOM
LOL. Just keep repeating that nonsense to yourself. Someday even you might really believe it.
Kaboom writes: Thursday, August, 27, 2009 8:30 PM
Jim
There is a reason why you don't have any real leaders in the conservative movement beyond rabble rousers like Hannity. I'm sure you can figure out why.
miss vicky writes: Thursday, August, 27, 2009 8:51 PM
Only sick violent folks promote violence
There are ugly Americans on both sides. No one Party has a monopoly. Let those without sin cast the first stone. I will say to Lib/Dems, take your best shot but informed, sane Rep/Con Patriots aren't going anywhere! We're here to call your bluff and to wrestle the truth out of your duplicit President, Ha! Not funny but it is what it is. How could such an ill prepared, untrustworthy Novice be elected leader of the free world? Ex Democrat
Cicero writes: Thursday, August, 27, 2009 10:11 PM
Richard Hoplophobe Wussy Boy. . .
Wonder writes:

[[Cicero: Beloved TH Racist
I'm sure Hewitt, Prager and Medved are mortified by this site's love of proto-killer bigots. But hey, keep up your whining petulant hate. You don't have any power.]]

Could care less what the TH Talking Heads feel or think.

And you write like a woman.
Cicero writes: Thursday, August, 27, 2009 10:14 PM
Kaploop writes. . .
"Cicero
the founders would have become royalists if they thought their philosophy and efforts would lead to what 'conservatives' do these days."

No, they wouldn't have. Trust me, you know-nothing wench. Simply put, you have absolutely no clue as to what you're talking about. So bow to your better.

The7Sticks writes: Thursday, August, 27, 2009 11:12 PM
Thank You, Mr. Medved...
Well, it looks like you're gaining my respect again, Mr. Medved. After all, what purpose does utilizing your right to bare arms at a presidential town hall meeting serve? Last time I checked, some people who tend to exercise that right tended to assassinate presidents (i.e. Abe Lincoln, John F. Kennedy, Ronald Reagan [as much as I despise him, but nonetheless...]) as well as presidential contenders and important leaders in different movements (Bobby Kennedy, Martin Luther King Jr., George Tiller).

As far as I'm concerned, these morons who go to town hall meetings serve only one purpose, which is to yell and scream about the issue without even reading the healthcare bill. That, in itself, is pernicious enough, but when you bring a gun to a presidential town hall meeting no matter what your intention is, well, as Ricky Ricardo might say, "You have some es'plainin' to do."
sloandog writes: Thursday, August, 27, 2009 11:33 PM
Sticks misinformed much?
There were no civilians openly carrying guns in a town hall meeting.What a putz!
Outryder writes: Thursday, August, 27, 2009 11:42 PM
What's the big deal?
It's legal in 44 states to open carry a handgun. Better than half of those states do not require any sort of permit to do so.

I live in Tennessee and have been carrying a firearm, everyday, for nearly a year now. I've not concealed my weapons one time while carrying.

Mr Medved really needs to catch up with what's been going on in the country. He might want to check out Opencarry.org.

http://www.opencarry.org
Outryder writes: Thursday, August, 27, 2009 11:51 PM
To the7sticks
All the presidential assasinations you refer to were done by someone who was CONCEALING their firearm until they were ready to use them (JFK was shot be a hidden sniper)

Anyone openly carrying a firearm has less chance of carrying out an assasination attempt than a snow ball has of surviving a forest fire.
Eugene writes: Friday, August, 28, 2009 12:55 AM
7sticks
"Well, it looks like you're gaining my respect again, Mr. Medved"

Don't do that. The man has a family to feed.
Eugene writes: Friday, August, 28, 2009 1:01 AM
7sticks..Are you playing Top This
with someone tonight? I think you just won hands down!

"as well as presidential contenders and important leaders in different movements (Bobby Kennedy, Martin Luther King Jr., George Tiller).
"

RFK
MLK

George Tiller?????

Wait....... I gotta' do this again to make sure.

RFK
MLK

George Tiller?????

Worse than I thought......

Jordan should see this.....Dude, see what happens to a brain when it stays on the left too long........
Eugene writes: Friday, August, 28, 2009 1:24 AM
7sticks
"which is to yell and scream about the issue without even reading the healthcare bill"

Yeah. I hear that even some of the constituents have started doing that.

The Plumber writes: Friday, August, 28, 2009 9:32 AM
I've been carrying concealed
for over two years now. Seeing how apoplectic it makes the socialists for one to open-carry has encouraged me to go shopping for a different holster.

I wonder if I could end up on Chrissy Matthews show.

"When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty." -Jefferson

Kaboom? I'm pretty sure about the intent of the Founders. Scratch that....I'm confident about the intent of the Founders.
Big Sky Cowboy writes: Friday, August, 28, 2009 10:58 AM
Pat Lib
" big men..
..packing heat. and you rats think you speak for our moral heritage? that you are "the people"? you aren't even entitled respect. nasty, contemptible punks who disgrace the important work of conservatism." Wow all that for just owning a gun.


Eugene writes: Friday, August, 28, 2009 11:40 AM
P LIB
It's really time to face the fact that when you go on a rant like that you simply don't want individual's to own guns.

In too many ways to mention here.

Plain and simple.

Given that, it's time for you to drop the Patriot part of your handle.

There is nothing Patriotic at all about your clearly communicated position on guns.

Unless of course, you are a patriot of Communist China.
paddy o'furniture writes: Friday, August, 28, 2009 11:56 AM
Cowboy
People have been conditioned to fear the very sight of a firearm. For a demonstration os this, try walking around with a semi-automatic pistol on your hip with the magazine removed AND and strap-type gunlock through it.

People who know guns will laugh at you, but the knee-jerk ignorant liberal will still freak out.... This irrational fear has been taught to them.
Jayne writes: Saturday, August, 29, 2009 5:23 PM
Medved should interview Kostric
So I read the interview with the liberal that Cicero posted, and really Michael should read it too. The man clearly has command of the situation in America and his own place and role in standing up for what America is supposed to be. I think it's entirely appropriate that he have a gun which is legally allowed at an event at which an anti-gun president is appearing - that's called a protest and the right to assemble for redress of grievances. (I know Obama said he's not anti-gun, but come on we all know that's a lie). The sign just means people need to be aware of what it means to maintain freedom, and we are getting dangerously close to hitting the turning point. If the man in Mew Hampshire hadn't brought his gun, he would be kowtowing to his government and the press and the liberals who want to take his rights away. I couldn't find part 2 of the interview though, maybe not posted yet.
tony writes: Saturday, September, 05, 2009 2:54 PM
a socialist country is comming
Like Obama said 5 days before the election"We are 5 days from fundamentally transforming our country".When he talks to the racist anti american group ACORN THAT he wants a civilian army as powerful,as well trained,and as well funded as our military why is that???? In 2003 he said he was for govt.run health care.In 2007 he said the same thing and added first we have to take the white house back and we can incrementally do it but it might take 10 or 13 years to get there.His green czar a self avowed radical anarchist communist,his science czar believes we should put sterility's in the drinking water and have mandatory abortions if the govt.says you can only have 1 or 2 children,mandatory sterilization on woman.(This isn't China).His regulatory czar thinks animals should have a lawyer and sue people.His new FCC czar wants to implement the far doctrine act to control whats on the TV and radio so you can't say anything the govt doesn't like.Like what the dictator Hugo Chavez does in his country.He is bankrupting our country and our children.We have the black panthers on tape in Philly outside a polling place with a weapon threatening voters and Obama appoints a prosecutor to get to get it thrown out .He is a socialist radical all you have to do is look at the people he hung out with in his own words (radicals).American reveloution 2 is coming so you left wing socialists be ready and the blood will be on our govt's hands not the people who will not give up any more rights or freedoms.Just like the soldiers and vets I have talked to"we did not fight overseas for freedom,risk our lives,come home with limbs missing,and watch our brothers get blown up to come home to a socialist country."
Osher writes: Sunday, October, 18, 2009 1:39 AM
News Mafia = Dictatorship
Medved is assuming that the Obummer Billionaire Backers' purchase of the News Mafia, Entertainment Mafia, Academic Mafia, Minority Ethnic and Sexual and Criminal-Defense Mafias, Lawyer-Judge Mafias, Political Mafias doesn't make the USA a Dictatorship. The Founding Fathers would have regarded even a News Mafia as undermining Elections and would have declared us a Dictatorship. Only our Guns prevent Obama from completing his Dictatorship.

Osher Doctorow
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