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Wednesday, November 21, 2007
Colonists wanted to change, not escape, the Old World
Posted by: Michael Medved at 11:44 PM
The Thanksgiving holiday provides an opportunity to refocus on the motivations of early New England settlers, who crossed the ocean not to escape the Old World, but to change it by the force of their example. For Pilgrims in Plymouth, or their Puritan neighbors in Massachusetts Bay, the idea of a “city on a hill” was to create an ideal society that the corrupt world would be forced to admire and, ultimately, emulate it. In the fine new book “Dangerous Nation,” Robert Kagan makes clear that the drive to bring justice and democracy to the rest of the world didn’t begin with “neo-cons,” or even with Woodrow Wilson. It began with our New England forefathers, and it’s always been a motivating force in America’s international role.  Among many reasons to feel grateful to New England’s founders on this Thanksgiving, we can appreciate them as originators of the idea of our nation’s special, even sacred, mission in the world.

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BG writes: Thursday, November, 22, 2007 12:39 AM
Faith
It took great faith to climb in a small ship (glorified row boat)and sail over to this continent and deal with foreign people and scratch out an existence by living off of the land.
roho writes: Thursday, November, 22, 2007 1:31 AM
Pure Neocon Garbage.
Rewriting history as usual.....I would recomend "Sea To Shining Sea" by Peter Marshall, as well as his other books. In reality, the Puritans had no "Jacobin" concepts at all, had endured the reformation, and actually were christians that refused to even allow "Baristers"(Lawyers)to even stay. They had a christian missionary mindset, as well as a deep rooted anglo culture.(Much of their earliest writings can be found in the Princeton library.)
kingsXrulz writes: Thursday, November, 22, 2007 5:05 AM
I Thought It Began With The Inquisition
... or maybe it was the Crusades. Ah, Michael; if you had only said that they "set" the example, rather than writing "change it by the force of their example." FORCE? I'm feeling like I should tell roho "ditto" to his sentiments.
roho writes: Thursday, November, 22, 2007 10:22 AM
Kagan is NO "Ken Burns" Historian:
This book recomendation, as if recomending some historical study that took 7 years to research is classic "Government Propoganda" in the tradition of Norman Podhoretz writings.

1. Kagan is a Yale graduate as well as the "Kennedy School of Govnt at Harvard".

2. He is co-founder with Bill Kristol of (PNAC)and a signer of the 1/26/98 (PNAC)letter to President Clinton requesting WAR with Iraq.

3. He is a C.F.R. member.

4. He was a speech writer for Sec. State George P. Shultz, and served as a foreign-policy advisor to DICK CHENNEY.

5. Is married to Victoria Nuland, the current U.S. Ambassador to NATO.

Yes, just another Earnest Hemingway?......You Neocons are about as suttle as the Kremlin was in the sixties in the promotion of re-writing history with political propoganda to the masses. But the roots of the neocon/Jacobin movement was born in a "Trotsky" environment untill Irving Kristol felt he had been "mugged" by liberalism?..........."Israel Firsters" love to wave the flag(U.S.A.), inorder to send more troops to fight for the Likud Party.............This is the future of Federalized Education for the masses!
Hitchhiker writes: Thursday, November, 22, 2007 12:22 PM
roho writes
"""Israel Firsters" love to wave the flag(U.S.A.), inorder to send more troops to fight for the Likud Party.....""

Ah, now I understand your true motivation. It amazes me that Jews lean towards the party favored by their most ardent haters. The democratic party is quite a motley mixture of folks. Someone really should do something about those bastions of neoconservatism Yale and Harvard. Roho, you are just the guy to do it. Stamp out opposing viewpoints and force the 'truth' as you know it on everyone. It is people just like you fighting tooth and nail to keep education federalized for the masses. Your expertise amazes me.
one hot minute writes: Thursday, November, 22, 2007 2:40 PM
Roho watches too much of "The X Files"

Roho wrote;
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"But the roots of the neocon/Jacobin movement was born in a "Trotsky" environment untill Irving Kristol felt he had been "mugged" by liberalism?..........."Israel Firsters" love to wave the flag(U.S.A.), inorder to send more troops to fight for the Likud Party."
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Most people discover a little pocket change or a buggle gum wrapper that has slipped between the sofa cushions.
But Roho sees a nefarious Jewish conspiracy under every sofa cushion...just as all the rest of the Ron Paul supporters do !

Roho, do you believe we were attacked by Jihadists on 9/11 ?
...or do you believe it was the work of "someone" else ?
Your Jewish Master writes: Thursday, November, 22, 2007 2:54 PM
Happy Thanksgiving!
And thanks for all you do!

http://www.wowconservativejew.blogspot.com/

roho writes: Thursday, November, 22, 2007 4:47 PM
One Hot Minute:
About 85% of the 911 terrorist were Saudi Nationals, with no Iraqi's in site.

"Charles Hill"(Former Deputy to Sec. of State Shultz)is the Guiliani Campaigns Foreign Policy Advisor, and had signed on to the open neocon letter to GWB after 911, urging "Even if evidence does NOT link Iraq directly with the attack, any strategy aiming at the eradication of terrorism and it's sponsors must include a determined effort to remove Saddam Hussein from power in Iraq."

That was 6 years ago. Do you still see Terrorist-boogymen under your bed and hiding behind trees? We've had about 5 million illegals cross our southern border sence then......Where's your boogymen?......Oh yea, "They have to follow us home from Iraq because they have no maps."....Nor Air Force, nor Navy, nor organized Army, nor nation state.(But they have dangerous cave homes in Kashmir.).............Paleocons are not liberals, but neocons may very well be their half brother! The liberals, paleocons, libertarians, are all in agreement that "Neocon/Jacobins" are out come 2008, and typicaly screaming "Antisemite!" will not change the vote.(The tactic is old news).
roho writes: Thursday, November, 22, 2007 5:32 PM
PS:
Sence the primary order of business for neocons is: "Into the world to impose freedom, liberty, and democracy at the point of a gun!".......How's that going with your good Buddy "Pakistan"?...Do you now recomend invading Pakistan before Iran? All those pesky "Khan Warheads" laying around in a house of confusion?.......Or would you prefer a frontal assault on Russia's new alliance in the caspian sea agreement?

"I would say, as a good card carrying member of the neoconservative conspiracy, that I think Guiliani, McCain, and Thompson, are all getting really good advice-----and Romney! None of the leading republican candidates buy any of these fundamental criticisms that Bush took us on a radically wrong path, and we have to go to a pre-911 foreign policy."(William Krystol-Editor of the Weekly Standard)

Oh really?............Where will the troops come from?..............Harvard and Yale?
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