Friday, February 08, 2008
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How Conservatives Can Manage McCain ...
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Posted by:
Matt Lewis at
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Last night, Tom DeLay was on Hardball. While he admitted John McCain's speech at CPAC was a good one, he also warned that he would need to see a lot more evidence of McCain's transformance into a conservative, before he would be "sold" on the man.
In my estimation, this is both smart -- and good for the movement.
If the goal of conservatives is to move McCain to the Right, then it is wise for conservatives to sort of pay a game of, "good cop, bad cop."
We do need good cops; If every conservative gave McCain the cold shoulder, he would have no incentive to come over to our side. It is very good for us, indeed, that McCain has advisors like Kemp, Gramm, Coburn, and Brownback, to listen to. We would be much worse off if all these leaders had washed their hands of him, and cast him off as a liberal.
On the other hand, we need "bad cops," too. It's wise for some conservatives to play a little "hard-to-get." McCain must know that his conservative support is, in fact, conditional. This does not mean we should say that Hillary is better. But it does mean that we should continue to make him do a little wooing.
Even if he becomes president, conservatives must be prepared to support McCain when he is right -- and speak out against him when he is wrong. Frankly, this is something more of us should have been doing, anyway, for President Bush.
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You let a couple of war criminals loose in the White House for 8 years and now you want to "manage" McCain? Give me a break. It's McCain's distance from your so-called "movement" that gives him a shot. If voters suspect he's being managed he'll be toast. |
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main point, he brings up a problem for McCain. How can he tack to the left to woo the independents and moderates he's counting on and at the same time woo conservatives. That's why the nominee is SUPPOSED to have the base's support locked up by the time he gets the nomination. And that's why he will lose in a landslide.
Besides, there's nothing McCain can SAY that will woo his conservative foes (me). Only actions would be considered, and no actions can come until after he's got the office. |
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I find it amazing that those who constantly criticized Hugh Hewitt as blindly following Mitt Romney, have been surprisingly silent about Matt Lewis' open love affair with McCain.
This conservative has no desire to "manage" McCain. When will you people realize conservatives are tired of being used by this slimy little man.
I like to think the Republican mascot is the elephant because we remember our past. McCain's recent past in the GOP is HORRENDOUS!
Perhaps the pseudo-conservatives who now support McCain are only doing so because they know it is always better to be behind McCain than in front of him -- that way he can't stab you in the back! |
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When you compare the speeches McCain and Romney delivered to CPAC, it was quite evident that:
1) Romney truly believes conservative principles; and
2) McCain does not, but recognizes the value in courting conservatives.
McCain's pandering to conservatives was contrived. As he attempted to tout is conservative "credentials", my first thought was this:
As soon as the MSM gets wind McCain is pledging NOT to obstruct conservative solutions, they will drop him like a hot rock.
The McCain blood-letting has begun, and you will now see the MSM rally around Huck. |
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is De Lay doing now? Thank you. |
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Huckabee has signed the NumbersUSA NO Amnesty Pledge and signed Senator Sessions NO Amnesty and Secure Borders Pledge.
McCain has continually refused to reject Amnesty.
He obviously cares more about the Cheap Labor and MSM opinion on this issue than he cares about Conservatives on this issue. |
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Good Cop/Bad Cop will NOT work with McCain. He is so bullheaded he can't see straight.
The ONLY thing McCain understands is our promise NOT to vote for him.
When he sees in the polls that he will lose to Hillary or Obama he will sign the NumbersUSA No Amnesty Pledge and he will reject Carbon Taxes on US Power Plants to save the world.
Mark my words he will only do these things if the polls show he losing to Hillary or Obama.
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In my experience, people who are proud, people who are arrogant and people who are mavericks are not easily managed. John McCain is all three. |
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What's the likelihood of anyone who has been called names for wanting the gov't to actually enforce the laws, to vote for those jamming amnesty down our throats?
McCain-Kennedy, McCain-Feingold, McCain-Leiberman. Leadership like this I can do without.
Carbon taxes, constitutional rights for Gitmo detainees and amnesty for illegal aliens await us no matter who wins, whoopee!!!
I will not participate in the dissolution of my country.
You simply CANNOT have national security if you will not defend your own borders or enforce your own laws. Foreign nationals numbering in the thousands are entering our country at will daily. John McCain has done and will do NOTHING to stop it. Don't believe me? Ask Juan Hernandez!
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The Stupid Party
The RNC wants an amnesty candidate.
Don't vote for one.
Another amnesty will result in Democrat majorities for decades, or until they are supplanted by the La Raza Party, why doesn't the RNC know that? How stupid do you have to be to import voters for the opposition at the same time you alienate your own voters? Nominating any of the amnesty supporters is a losing proposition, we will not support them. If the GOP intends to surrender our sovereignty and abandon the rule of law, they will find in November 2008, that they still have their big money/cheap labor donors, but they do not have voters. GOP-RIP
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Manage McCain? Not only no, but hell no!
I'm no longer IN the party. You moved it out of bounds. I'm not following you over the leftist falls. |
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The GOP has nominated a problem, not a solution. It wants to delude itself into believing that McCain can attract Democrats, 14.5 million who have turned out to vote for their candidates, as opposed to only 9 million for the GOP. The Democrats are happy because their candidates reflect their views. The GOP is divided because they have one who has split the base. Conservatives may vote for McCain as the lesser of two evils, but they will never "like" McCain. They will not be enthusiastic, and they will not go the extra mile. He isn't, after all, one of them. He's a maverick, and a maverick by definition listens to his own voices, not the voices of others. He's 71, and he's been doing this for years. Trying to convince yourself he will change, or can be managed, is absurd. Lieberman was standing on his right at his victory speech. Not a conservative, but a liberal who caucuses with the Democrats. What else do you need to know? McCain, after all, doesn't need the GOP in congress to pass legislation - he only needs the Democrats. Think about that for awhile. Conservatives are very clearly out of the loop. He'll work with the "moderate republicans", and the Democrats, just as he's been doing for years. Those are the only votes he needs in Congress - and he happens to like those people. Unlike the right - which he's never gotten along with. It's a mutual mistrust society - and that won't change. |
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I won't give McCain the chance to fool me again.
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Tom Delay needs more evidence that McCain's a conservative. Where's the evidence that Delay is one? He oversaw a lot of compromises with Democrats when he was leader in the House. |
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This is such a game - a sick game. Maybe I'm naive but can't someone just be their own man and say waht they believe and then do it? We've continually been sold that McCain is the straight talker and will be his own man. That's exactly what he has shown, and it is so far from the conservative values that I hold I cannot imagine feeling better enough about him in November to be able to vote for him.
Now you're saying we can manipulate him back to our side by some of us playing hard to get and some of us playing footsie with him. Sorry, that to me is BS.
I'm not at all impressed with what he said at the CPAC speech, only what he's done, and that is continually twisting his thumb in my eye, then grinning that annoying cheshire cat grin and assuring me he's a proud and a Reagan foo soldier, blah, blah, blah.
I don't trust anything he says until he can prove it with actions, and he has shown no inclination to do that.
I think we nominated the wrong guy by letting Mitt go. I know many called him a flip-flopper because he has altered his positions on social values, but he has expalined how he got there and I believe him. Those positions also were changed long a and he governed as a social conservative (as best he could in a reabid liberal state).
McCain has already, very recently flip-flopped. Does "I was against the tax cut before I was for them" sound vaguely familiar? Now if you think he is going to be lured back to the right, by definition it will require him to flip-flop more. Think the Dems and the MSM might pick up on that? |
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Who was it we fought there?
The same people McCain wants to surrender to?
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You manage McCain by voting for him as a reward for his stabbing conservatives in the back numerous times.
And this will manage him HOW?
Go DNC Joe!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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If I don't see anything but his attack dogs to convince me to vote for McCain, what do I have to convince me that he won't decide he'll take that directive Bush came up with in May 2007 and decide he's got a disaster to become dictator on?
While I'm on that topic, what if he suddenly takes notice of the nearly two-dozen terrorist compounds inside the US?
What exactly does he mean by securing the border?
What exactly does he mean by we will work out something with ALL people on illegal immigration?
Has he thought about how socialistic it is to provide free health care in the emergency room for illegal aliens or soon to be citizens?
Does he think it's fair to citizens to have to tote the note for health care for cheap labor for business and corporations?
Wouldn't an amnesty provide the Democrat party with instant voters?
I guess I fall in the group of bad cops.
Thanks so much for the chance to say something. |
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If he proposes some really great legislation, even something as "simple" as border security, and actually gets it passed this year, I might start to believe him.
I find it interesting: There are those in politics today that believe we have the power to manage the planet's ecology, but we cannot manage our southern border. Things that make ya go hmmmmm... |
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Good luck with this notion.
I wish people would just get over this election for POTUS and start concentrating on Hosue and Senate seats. We don't have a prayer in the general election, but by all means, do go and vote. Vote for the House and Senate seats for obvious reasons. Then write-in the candidate that represents your conservative principles. For me the only choice is a write-in for Fred Thompson! |
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1. Stephen Breyer will be 70 years old in 08/08
2. Ruth Bader Ginsburg will be 75 years old in 03/08
3. Anthony M. Kennedy will be 72 years old in 07/08
4. Antonin Scalia will be 72 in 03/08
5. David Hackett Souter will be 69 in 09/08
6. John Paul Stevens will be 88 years old in 04/08
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John McCain exclaimed several months ago that"Hillary wouldn't make for a bad President". John McCain is certainly no "Reagan Conservative" and the reason, is he has yet to leave the Democratic Party. The only way in hell I would ever vote for McCain is that he takes Mitt Romney for his Vice Presidential running mate, at the moment Huckabeeee is "brown noising" for the position.
It kills me to say this because all my life I have been a conservative, but we would be better of with Hillary than McCain as my thinking is she will get the blame for all the problems that are going to come before her and that sets us up for the next election. We need to have are eyes on the next Congressional election and then elect all the conservatives we can that way Ms. Clinton will be a uneffective and can't get her socialistic legislation passed by a republican Congress.
The whole election process is starting to make me sick and I think America is suffering from "Election Fatique".
John McCain is not electable unless he picks a real conservative as his running mate and this is a simple fact otherwise prepare yourself and your wallet for Clinton or Obama where slogan is more important than substance. America deserves what its going to get with the selection of these jokers.
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Look at the picks from the last 25-30 years and you will notice that GOP presidents have not done so well in choosing SCOTUS judges. So these reasons are not a good point to argue about. Besides, if McCain wins the WH, none of his picks will be let through the Senate unless they have the approval of Teddy Kennedy.
I understand they are important, but its' really a moot point because Obama will probably be our next president. I don't like it, but there it is. |
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I have the answer for you.
Vote for conservative candidates for House and Senate seats.
Then write-in the name of Fred Thompson for president.
The above is exactly my plan of action, and many others just like me. |
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that Conservatives are being so hard on McCain is precisely because President Bush turned out to be such a disappointment on the immigration issue. The President, that we had rallyed behind despite ferocious attacks on the man over 6 years, betrayed us on the immigration issue. Our support meant nothing to him. McCain was one of the ringleaders of that lovely little debacle. So, he's not getting any of the slack we wasted on George W Bush for 8 years. Basically, conservatives (ok, at least me) is saying 'not again.' I trusted George W. Bush and he tried to screw me on immigration. I never liked McCain to begin with since he came to preeminence in 2000. It started with, if the media loves him, there's probably something wrong with him. Over 8 years, he demonstrated to me countless times what is wrong with him. After screwing my beliefs for 8 years, I'm not going to give him a promotion so he can do it more effectively. Those of you living on the 'McCain promises to...' bandwagon, answer me one question (and I'm serious) Would you leave your attractive wife, or daughter alone with Bill Clinton if he promised nothing untoward would happen? If you answered no, then why should I trust John McCain to keep his promises? |
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If Mike Huckabee and Ron Paul combined win 60% of the remaining delegates, they will have to have a "brokered convention". Ron paul is good for about 2% so Huckabee would need to get 58%. It can be done. Go Huck! Stop McCain! |
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There are approximately 300 delegates before we get to TX. McCain will should win all of them since they are all some variation of winner take all.
Further, almost all of the Super Delegates will back McCain over Huckabee which means McCain already has the delegates that he needs for the nomination.
There are 463 Super Delegates. If you add 450 of them to McCain's current totals he already has enough delegates to win.
Huckabee is delusional if he thinks this is not over. He is just duping his followers for his own purposes.
I am not fond of McCain but I can add. |
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Good idea to get good conservatives in the house and Senate, but it will only help if a Dem is president. Look how the Republican controlled congress kept going along with Bush for six years. If McCain gets in it will be more of the same with a Republican Congress. I'll be leaving the Pres. choice blank come Nov.. At 67 I'm too old to vote for a Dem now (since both choices will be Dems.). |
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Please do NOT stay home. You must vote. You do not have to vote for Hillybama or McAmnesty. There are always other parties and people on the ballot. You could write in Joe Oliva. The important votes are for House and Senate seats. Conservatives MUST win seats in the House. The House is where things get done. It was the passage of H.R. 4437, an enforcement bill, in Dec.05 that sparked the illegal alien protest marches and moved this issue to the front burner. It was the Senate that tried to jam amnesty down our throats. The D's that won seats in '06 were conservatives running on enforcement platforms. One of them, Heath Shuler D-NC, introduced the SAVE Act. Call, e-mail, or write your Congressman and urge support of this legislation. Enforcement is what Americans want, not amnesty.
Amnesty is a losing proposition.
I don't think Hillary is stupid enough to step in front of this bus.
McCain is.
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Hillary is still singing the "Comprehensive Immigration Reform" tune (all the Dems, really), not realizing it could be her swan song.
The only issue I have ever seen 75-80% of Americans agree on is stopping illegal aliens. Any GOP candidate that is credible on this issue could win in a landslide.
The biggest problem is the RNC has sold it's soul to the cheap labor express. They are determined to nominate an amnesty candidate, even if it means losing the election. Stupid Party, indeed.
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Are you going for Huck this Tuesday, or will you dimple a chad for McPain....or abstain....? |
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McCain will easily beat Hillary if she becomes the nominee. Here are five reasons why on this site:
http://polzoo.com/index.php?option=com_myblog&Itemid=41 |
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BG
I am not sure how you have gotten to the point of feeling powerless, but you clearly have. The super delegates are going to do what politicians do, which is what looks best for themselves. Now that it is a two man race, if the party does what it has been doing up until this point, which is mostly voting for someone other than McCain, it will be clear that we do not want this to be over.
There are almost as many delgates at stake as has been determined. Momentum is a big thing. It is not who is in the lead at half-time, but in the end that counts.
At the end of the day, I am going to back the nominee. Until the end of the day, I am going to get into pit and fight as hard as I can. Fight for, not against what you want and you will find much more success in life. |
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How about getting more than about a dozen electoral votes come November 4th?
Conservatives don't need to play "good cop" with McCain.
McCain needs to do absolutely *EVERYTHING* to prove to us that he's not Hillary Clinton in Republican drag.
He's got to convince the GOP base that he will do his damnedest to fight for *OUR* principles instead of the "Socialist Lite" crap for which he's identified himself all his treasonous political life.
Hell, if his stay in the Hanoi Hilton didn't get him to pledge allegiance to Marxism, his time in the U.S. Senate sure as hell has done the job.
Torture he could handle. Pork, however....
Well, if only the North Vietnamese had known it when they had him, they could've gotten everything they wanted with a few campaign contributions.
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"I’d love to be remembered as a Goldwater Republican. But I don’t pretend in any way to live up to the legacy of the man who literally changed the face of politics in America."
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I don't know yet. First choice Hunter dropped out first, then second choice Thompson drops out second, so I was voting Romney. Can't vote for either of the two guys left. I'm actually considering crossing over and voting in the Democrat primary, kind of returning the favor. I might get to play a role in sending Hillary packing. This maverick thing might be fun. |
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Is this day 7? Communism sucks. |
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Day 6. Agreed.
For what it's worth, I think we need to keep Shrillary around. She's more easily beaten than Obama.
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You're right, she is more easily beaten, but it would be better to fight a Democrat amnesty than McCain's. We will lose the country if we do it again. |
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McCain won't be coming for your guns..... |
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If McCain wins the White House I figure that during his 3rd year in office (or there abouts) a lot of conservatives will have ample proof that he is no conservative. |
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You're right again.
BTW, I got a Marlin Camp 45 tonight, beautiful condition, not a mark on it. Glitch in the computer, took a 1/2 hour for the background check. Spent the time practicing with my Browning .22. Only 6 outside the black at 22 yards. |
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Actually I would prefer Obama to Hillary just to see him try to talk about "Change" of no substance or policy while debating McCain.
I have listened to the man ad nausea and still don't know any of his policy positions with the exception of health care. In that he is like Hillary. Both are riding hell-bent-for-leather to turn every Doctor and Registered Nurse in the country into government employees.
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Actually I would prefer Obama to Hillary just to see him try to talk about "Change" of no substance or policy while debating McCain.
I have listened to the man ad nausea and still don't know any of his policy positions with the exception of health care. In that he is like Hillary. Both are riding hell-bent-for-leather to turn every Doctor and Registered Nurse in the country into government employees.
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I am heartened by the above accurate perceptions about the true meaning of Hillary and Obama's actual "Health Care" intentions which are usually concealed beneath layers of treacle and platitudes. They mean to SIMPLY PASS A LAW, like they tried in 1994, declaring that ALL DOCTORS ARE HENCEFORTH GOVERNMENT PROPERTY. The American serfs will then be allowed to spend some time on this property as long as Lord Clinton says it is OK. By the way if you don't like the quality of your diagnosis and treatment under Hillary Care I feel certain the government will be willing to inform you of their Brave New definition of Health Care and how you are therefore obviously wrong.
I have heard NOTHING of significance from any establishment Republican about this issue. The RNC and Bush (whom I voted for twice and used to like) have done nothing to oppose this communist monstrosity being championed by Democrats. I am not angry with McCain-he is simply McCain. It is the Incompetent Politicians of the Republican establishment who have repeatedly demonstrated that they are too lazy or too stupid or too cowardly to address an issue as important as this one, plus many others. They are Responsible for the current mess.
Best Wishes, RNC, in '08! |
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Brokered Convention = a discussion about what it means to be a Republican.
1) McCain can be prevented from winning 1191 delegates.
According to RealClearPolitics McCain has 724 delegates & still needs 467 to win.
That means he has to get 44% of the remaining delegates to secure 1191.
2) Huckabee needs to win 57% of the remaining delegates to force this to a Brokered Convention.
3) On Super Tuesday McCain got 42% of the vote in Blue States and only 26% in Red States. Over 60% of McCain’s delegates have come from Blue States. Do we really want our candidate picked by States that we have very little chance of winning in the Fall?
4) Remaining delegates: Red States = 711 [ 70.5% ], Blue States = 297 [ 29.5% ]
RED States Left:
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47 Louisiana
39 Kansas
63 Virginia
140 Texas
88 Ohio
39 Mississippi
69 North Carolina
57 Indiana
33 Nebraska
45 Kentucky
32 Idaho
32 New Mexico
27 South Dakota
5) Notable Republican Brokered Conventions!
Abraham Lincoln – 3rd Ballot - Won Presidency
Rutherford Hayes – 7th Ballot - Won Presidency
James Garfield - 36th Ballot - Won Presidency
Warning Harding – 10th Ballot – Won Presidency
Dwight D. Eisenhower – “2nd Ballot” – Won Presidency
6) Conservatives Unite! There is still time! Win the Red States and we go to the convention for a discussion about what it means to be a Republican.
Hope this brings encouragement and hope. Spread the word. It is not over!
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... at least until Hillary or Obama are crowned.
He doesn't have to wait to become president to convince me that he will secure the border - he can push legislation to that effect right now!
=============================================== Don't Forget! in November, the presidency will not be the only thing on the ballot. Check this book out:
Cox, Tim (2008). Get Out Of Our House: Revolution! A New Plan for Selecting Representatives. Bridgeway Books, TX.
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Some say Huckabee is a Republican Jimmy Carter, I disagree. He is more like the Clintons. Arrogant destruction of state computer hard drives upon leaving office is obstruction of justice, plain and simple. He learned this from Bill and Hillary I presume.
The non partisan non profit Judicial watch has both Mike and Hillary sharing top 10 billing as most corrupt politicians of 2007.
http://www.judicialwatch.org/judicial-watch-announces-list- washington-s-ten-most-wanted-corrupt-politicians-2007
If you did nothing wrong, Huckster, they why destroy the evidence that "supported" you and why sue the ethics comission, TWICE.
Jimmy Carter was inept, but he was no crook!!! |
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...again?
I was a medical officer in the National Health Service Corps for a couple of years after finishing my internship. Ran a Health Underserved Rural Area (HURA) clinic during the Carter Administration.
Sure, the pay sucked. And so did the hours. And the administrative crap was almost as bad as what HCFA - or is it MAMA? - no, it's CMS now - buries us under now.
But was it really as bad as all that?
Right now, physicians have to take all the responsibilities of a private sector "healthcare provider" - handling all our practice expenses, complying with senseless, useless local, state, and federal regulations on our own time (and at our own expense), all the rest of that buttwipe distraction.
Wouldn't it be kinda nice to be able to regard the practice of medicine the same way that the average HMO clown regards *HIS* interaction with the "clients" he does his best to avoid serving?
Wouldn't you like to go to work each day with all the dedication of the average Postal Service employee?
Hey, the election of Hillary or Obama would probably mean something like taking early retirement for us, wouldn't it?
No more "patient-centered" medical practice.
We'd be "government property," and the first rule of every bureaucrat (I remember it well from my Public Health Service days) is the preservation of government property.
Face it, colleague. It's a Dilbert universe.
It's time for us doctors to embrace our inner Wally.
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( Much of the sentiments of this post was submitted earlier, so I hope you'll forgive me for repeating myself.) Folks, I submit that it may well be time to wax pragmatic. To quote the Rolling Stones: "You can't always get what you want; but if you try sometimes, you just might find, you get what you need." McCain needs us . So I submit that this is an opportunity for leverage. Chips that could be used might include the choice of naming a genuinely conservative VP.And, to ensure that a President McCain won't be tempted to stray off the conservative reservation,let's also use the nine months we have between now and the election to elect a genuinely CONSERVATIVE Congress, not merely a Republican/ RINO one. It is historically obvious that there is where much of our problems lie.Beginning with Eisenhower all the way to Dubya, the problem has always been |
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...WHO HAS BEEN IN THE CONGRESS!!! Even with Newt's revolution in '94, that still wasn't a conservative Congress. It was merely a Republican one. Elect a conservative Congress and it is eminently more likely that we'll get the judges we want, the tax code we want, the border solutions we want, etc. So then, let's get wholeheartedly behind McCain. Just keep him on a short leash. |
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We should have spoke out against Bush more often.
Now that everything has been bottled up for 7 years, the so-called right-wing has unloaded all their grievances on John McCain.
Bad time to start a War on principals. |
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Conservatives are the heart of the GOP and that heart pulses for Mitt Romney!
Even with him out of the official race, the majority of conservatives at CPAC voted for him in the straw poll.
Huckabee and Ron Paul tied, way below McCain. Neither of them has the support of the majority of conservatives. Huckabee's success in Kansas and possibly in other states to come is most likely because of votes against McCain.
I still think the solution to unite the party if there's no way for Romney to be nominated is for McCain to ask Romney to be his running mate. McCain/Romney could be a winning ticket for November.
Otherwise, conservatives and Huckabee supporters could very well see everything lost when John McCain who got to a position of prominence only because the conservative vote was spit, fails to unite the party and deliver the presidency. |
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It is clear that even Lincoln would not have been conservative for this bunch - would have been labeled a traitor to the union cause for his liberal views about the south. What was the name of the candidate put forth as the ideal conservative candidate; I'll wait........ That's right - no one. Guiliani, Romney, Huck and Paul - not a conservative among them according to their records. So stop the bleating about conservatism- you didn't have a candidate. I would like to see a McCain/Romney ticket - they are both good honorable men capable of holding the White House. I have voted Republican for 45 years; even before the "conservative movement". I believe in this party and will vote Republican because I know that Republicans truely care about the things I care about. Either your a Republican or your not. It is just that simple.
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2centsworth: A grown-up sensibility in a sea of big babies.
I thought it was the lefties who advocated all the touchy-feely, vote-with-your-heart stuff. See how they swoon for Barack, the most liberal senator in Congress, a guy with no experience and no program other than vague promises of "change you can believe in". Charisma, the ability to manipulate an audience, is an unreliable indicator of leadership. Though Reagan had it, so did Clinton, JFK, and Hitler. Taking emotional issues into the voting booth is a bad policy.
Conservatives are supposed to be clear-headed, and not let their hurt feelings lead them toward extreme political decisions. I read some of these posts and I'm reminded of refereeing the fights between my kids when they were young. It's as if some of these people take McCain's being a maverick as a personal assault, and would rather sell the country down the river than to swallow their pride. Tit-for-tat, he hurt me so I'm going to hurt him, and so forth.
Abstinance on election day is making a choice to promote someone far to the left of McCain. Stay at home and pout, or grow up. Your children will have to live with the consequences of your choice. Gun control, gay marriage, socialized medicine, and other outcomes of an energized left are the consequences of so-called conservatives staying home and sulking vindictively.
And this idea that 8 years of the Democrats will disgust the people and engender a conservative revival is a bit like buying your child heroin so he can learn firsthand how bad addiction is. |
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If you believe John McCain has had an epiphany on all things, or ANYTHING CONSERVATIVE, I've got a bridge to sell you. There isn't ANYTHING conservative about his position on the border or the First Amendment.
I CANNOT AND WILL NOT VOTE FOR THIS MAN.
The GOP has lost my time, talent and treasure for good. GAME OVER. |
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You can manage him by electing conservatives in Congress. If all conservatives vote for him, you must vote for conservative congress persons to pull him towards the Right. |
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McCain lost Kansas tonight.
No ruby slippers on the yellow brick road.
More like McCain laid a brick Saturday night.
Remember, McCain never got over 50%, the magic number. So McCain always had a majority vote against him.
Hardly a compelling reason to roll over and play dead.
How many loses by McCain before he starts to look like damaged goods?
We got us an election, not a coronation. |
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If we want to take back the House and/or the Senate we need a Great Communicator running for President who energizes the base to contribute their time, talents, and treasure to the cause of electing Conservatives.
Huckabee is the next Great Republican Communicator.
He can actually get conservative Democrats to vote for him (AR is over 60% Democrat and he served for 10 years).
McCain needs to drop out of the race for the good of the Republican Party so that we do NOT lose in November to the energized Democrats.
McCain will be creamed in November and cause down ticket Republican losses in the House and Senate.
Huckabee is really like Reagan and will be able to convince conservative Democrats to vote Republican again.
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"It is very good for us, indeed, that McCain has advisors like Kemp, Gramm, Coburn, and Brownback, to listen to. "
And its also good he has all his touted endorsees. He can surround himself with the great conservatives. But....oh yea, will he listen? That's the problem or the question.
And oh yea, that might crapmp his "Maverick" style, if stooped that low. |
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doesn't McCain run independent, since those are the people he's always trying to appease?
McCain can defend himself all the way thru this election. But when he looses, we can blame him for the loss and for costing Republicans the loss.
And I'd like the whole primary process to play out before he self asserts himself the nominee, or is anointed by the elite Party insiders - the same one's who helped dig us into the mess. |
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If they are running far right issues in the general elections.
While the liberals are exactly doing so, running to the far left masquarading as a populis message by Obama the messiah, they are relatively fine in the general elections given their hungry and thirst for power for the last 7 years. I bet the 2008 will be the dirtiest and ugliest election in the US history.
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2cents, you're obviously out of your mind; we just have to fine down the diagnosis for DSM-IV categorization.
Your health insurance carrier demands it.
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For those people out there that still love America and think that McCain's position on amnesty "is no big deal," please read the Richard Lamm speech posted on Michelle Malkin's site. I'm not a big conspiracy theory guy, but make no mistake, there is an organized effort underway to destroy this country but demonizing everything that makes it great and shunning free speech through political correctness.
http://michellemalkin.com/2008/02/09/i-have-a-plan-to-destr oy-america-by-richard-d-lamm/
John McCain is a VERY dangerous man! He wants to allow millions of illegals to flood this country, and deny people their right to free speech. Combine these 2 issues and it spells doom! |
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Why would they vote for McCain when it's so obvious he's split the party and we'll lose with him?
We have to get behind Huckabee. He is the great communicator who can win Independents away from Obama.
I am willing to compromise on him but not McCain; and it's a big compromise; he was WAY down on my list. |
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In 2003, the unprincipled Hugh Hewitt supported Arnold Schwarzenegger over Tom McClintock for California’s governorship. See http://www.nationalreview.com/debates/debates091603.asp
Political pragmatism amongst ersatz-conservatives carried the day and Schwarzenegger won the election. Once in office, Arnold betrayed the Republicans and began to unleash a hideous evil. Five years later, Christians in California have run for the doors. See http://www.californiaexodus.org/
Both Arnold Schwarzenegger and Hugh Hewitt (now that Romney has suspended) have endorsed John McCain. Are Townhall readers too blind to the see the fruit of this compromise and pragmatism??
McCain will the lead the Nation down the same path Schwarzenegger has led California! |
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It has become exponentially harder for the pundits to scare us with the prospect of a
Democrat administration, since McCain has
demonstrated a disdain for our constitution,
will wreck our economy, and won't secure our
borders. He also can't win the war by closing
Gitmo and by interrogating terrorists with
"pretty please won't you give us information?"
With every passing day I am further resolved
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Thanks Dan! i could not get the web site to work by cutting and pasting so did a google search on 'Richard Lamm speech' and presto!
Do you realize this speech was noted in 2005 and given a Year And A Half previously in 2003? This is even more scary.....as it's now 2008..... |
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It takes a 2x4 up 'long side the head to get his attention; that 2x4 is a cold shoulder for him, which I for one intend to use.
The man is a confirmed, died in the wool, heart and soul Democrat. Period. I haven't voted for a democrat presidential candidate since Kennedy [the good one -- John]. and I don't intend to start with McAmnesty, Huckleberry Hillbilly, et al.
It won't be the first time I voted write-in. |
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This man will never recieve my vote.
McCain/Fiengold, McCain/Lieberman, McCain/Kennedy, Amnesty for illegals, the Gang of 14 to block the nomination of conservative judges, etc etc etc.
The only thing left for us to do is not to somehow make nice with McCain for some obscure good but to prevent the party from nominating him. We must convince the party that they must broker this thing to someone, anyone but McCain.
If they do not and McCain is the candidate selected then count on me (and countless conservatives like me) to simply stay home.
We are CONSERVATIVES, not Republicans or Democrats. The party does not own my loyalty, the country does. |
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I will NOT vote for McCain. The man is urinating on my leg and not telling me that it is raining, but instead telling me that he is NOT urinating on my leg.
Will there be supreme court justices in the next presidential term, yes, but there are no guarantees in life that any of these will be liberal, or even that they will live 20 to 40 years. Life is funny that way.
Do I think Obamma or Hillary will pull out of Iraq and that McCain is the only one to protect us? NO, No way in hell will the demoncrats let failure in IRAQ to happen on their watch. Oh they were more than willing to let it fall on Bush's watch, but no way will they let it happen with a strangle hold on congress and the presidency.
So, no, I will not vote for McCain. I will wait 4 years, maybe 8 for Lousiana gov Bobby Jindel.
http://download.premiereradio.net/guest/rushlimb/pdf/Limbau ghLetter_BobbyJindal_Interview.pdf |
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What seems to escape a great many political commentators - and their audiences - is that the U.S. Constitution (including its amendments) is nothing, more or less, than the law of the land.
Without it, the federal government is simply not legitimate, and warrants neither respect nor obedience nor even the right to exist.
Government adherent to the U.S. Constitution is compliant with an explicit social contract.
Government violative of the U.S. Constitution is criminal, and it is the duty of the law-abiding U.S. citizen to take whatever measures are required to compel federal officers engaged in any such criminal activities to cease, desist, and be held personally responsible for the damages they inflict.
We have John McCain, who makes much of his long experience as an officer of the federal government, first as a commissioned officer in the Naval Service, then in the U.S. Congress.
He makes much of his expertise and his knowledge of laws and regulations (civil and miliary).
Can it be reasonably concluded that Senator McCain didn't *KNOW* that the provisions of McCain-Feingold were blatantly violative of the First Amendment from the moment he began planning it?
Has he not demonstrated criminal *mens rea* (i.e., explicit intention to violate the law) in the formulation, introduction, and efforts to enact the statute known as McCain-Feingold?
Can it be argued that he didn't know what he was doing? (Diminished capacity defense.)
Is John McCain, therefore, not a criminal?
Has he not violated the U.S. Constitution (a charter of government he has sworn to uphold and defend both as an officer in the Naval Service and as a member of Congress) with criminal intention and malice aforethought?
What the hell is he doing out of handcuffs and ankle chains, much less running for the Presidency of these United States?
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