Monday, October 26, 2009
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147 Dead in Baghdad, 500 Injured
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Posted by:
Jillian Bandes at
9:46 AM
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It's the deadliest day in two years for a country anticipating national elections in January, and for a President trying to build up his credibility on national security.
The high-profile Justice Ministry and Provincial Council complexes in Baghdad were hit by two simultaneous car bombs. Most analysts are blaming al Qaeda, though Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki balmed members of the Baath party as well. Maliki had recently removed security elements from Baghdad streets in an attempt to demonstrate his grip on security.
The timing of the blast coincided with the meeting of key cabinet ministers and political leaders who were congregating to discuss essential election law needed before the national elections.
From the wires:
With an attack Aug. 19 that killed about 100 people, insurgents have now wrecked an array of pillars of the state's authority: the Foreign, Finance, Justice, and Municipalities and Public Works ministries, along with the Baghdad provincial headquarters, which are all gathered in a fortified swath of downtown.
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"It's the deadliest day in two years for a country anticipating national elections in January, and for a President trying to build up his credibility on national security."
But it sure makes things easy for Jillian as she "reports" how everything that happens is bad for Obama. Last week she actually had to work, "covering" the release of their family photo. But now she has dead people she can hit the president with. Easy day! |
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Mr. Big Spender Barack Obama is as lost on what to do with Iraq as he is on Afghanistan, Iran, healthcare, Detroit, the banks, the insurance companies, and the economy in general.
He should be impeached immediately for making America weaker, emboldening our enemies, and trying to silence our press.
GOD SAVE AMERICA
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So, Brad and Jillian, what should the president be doing in Iraq that he's not doing now? If these bombings are a challenge to his "credibility," if he is "lost on what to do," what is your advice? |
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Who the heck voted for this commie, destroy America, enemy of democracy and the Republic as well as anti-Constitution fool! GOD SAVE OUR COUNTRY! |
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You wanted us out, we're out. So, step up. You've got troglodytes living among you. Either (a) wipe them out (b) elect Saddam Hussein to bring you 'peace' and 'stability' or (c) stand aside and let us wipe them out. Again. Decide what you want to do. 'Cause, this freedom thing? Must be fought for. |
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heard recently from friends saying they are sorry they voted for the fraud?
awareness is on the move led by the fraud himself.
he is going to have to act soon to entrench himself in power because his publis support is diminishing daily. |
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Wasn't "Mission accomplished" meant for removing Saddam?
Since Iran is on the same verge as Iraq was then, what is your plan to stop madmen from getting nukes? Also, are you against enforcing the precious UN sanctions and laws? |
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"am i the only one who has heard recently from friends saying they are sorry they voted for the fraud?"
No, you are not. I suspect that sorta conversation is wide-spread.
I spent a good part of the summer at my farm in West Virginia. I think there are no more than five republicans in the area -- might only be three, not certain about a couple of 'em.
I listened to pretty fair size groups cuss congress and the president every morning when I went to one or more of the locations where the folks go to drink their morning coffee or eat breakfast in some cases. I also heard similar complaints in the church yard after church, at a Lion's Club meeting and a couple of other places.
Now, please understand . . . I doubt that these democrats EVER voted for a republican in their lives, except maybe in presidential elections where republicans don't do too bad. Still, West Virginia was one of two states who voted for Carter the second time, so it is hard so say.
If things do not change, I expect a pretty big change in congressmen and senators from WVA. (Not Senator Byrd though -- most would vote for him if he was laying in his coffin. He's done a lot for WVa. Not so the other senator.) |
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does not believe radical islam or islamic jihadism represents a serious threat to the world. |
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I think, upon reflection this past year, that nation building is a waste of time the way we've been doing it. Colonialism is the way to go. Either all in or all out. We should not waste men and money doing it the modern way. The world would be much better if Syria were like Oregon, Iraq was like Florida and Afghanistan were like Tennessee. Basically, Ann Coulter's suggestion the day after 9/11. |
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"maybe cicero does not believe radical islam or islamic jihadism represents a serious threat to the world."
Well, as I've said COUNTLESS TIMES now in these comments boxes, radical islam represents a serious threat to the West for two reasons, and two reasons only:
1) Western foreign policy in the Middle East is largely responsible for creating and perpetuating the radicalism; and
2) Western liberal immigration policies only make Islamic terror in the West more likely.
Neither of which, eddie too, your precious neoconservatism is equipped to address. Your Basic Neocon supports the "Long War" in the Middle East and Your Basic Neocon is also so PC that any talk of restrictive immigration policy is immediately dismissed as "nativism", "xenophobia", etc.
If Islam was more or less contained in its present environment and if we weren't continually pi$$ing off the Muslim world, there would be little to worry about from the radical Muslisms.
Related points here:
http://www.dixienet.org/rebellion/2009/10/lizard-interrupte d.html
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defending israel?
i agree that supporters of islam should not be allowed to immigrate to the west.
i disagree that those are the only reasons islamic jihadism represents a threat to the world, not only the west. |
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Obama is spending all of his time and efforts waging a war against
Fox News
Rush
Glenn Beck
Talk Radio
the GOP
Bush
the 50% conservative legal citizens of the USA
HE spent over 1 HOUR with Olberman and Maddow plotting the destruction of Fox News
and only 15 minutes with the GENERAL
HE IS SO BUSY
Running around to get the Olympics to pay off his Chicago thugs
Running around to get his 1.5 million dollar Peace Prize
Running around the nation campaigning for 2012
Doing his lies about lies TV interviews
Engaged in his WORLD TALK STAR business
golf
hoops
Gala parties at the WH
$35,000 per couple elite dinner parties
(while 20 million head of households are unemployed and unable to feed their kids)
YEP, Obama is way too busy to save our men! |
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The U.S.' support for the State of Israel certainly figures into it, but just as important if not more so is the hegemony of commercial (mainly oil) interests in Muslim lands, which are backed up by the barrel of a gun.
It's called "blowback", eddie. There are *actually* books out there written by *real* authorities on the matter than you can *even* read! Though you'd never know this listening to Your Basic Neocon:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chalmers_Johnson#The_Blowback_ trilogy
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are you characterizing me as a neocon?
i am not sure what you mean by neocon. is there a universally accepted definition? |
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are you advocating abandoning israel? |
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i expected a more sophisticated reason than "the US forces people to kill their own" or, "the Devil made me do it". This is the same reasoning that Eric Michael Dyson and his afrocentric studies crowd utilizes to spread their hate and lies. Ah well everyone has a weak spot. |
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Neocons are largely distinguished from traditional conservatives by: 1) their support for the (now failing) wars in the Middle East; and 2) fervent support of the State of Israel.
If the shoe fits, my friend, wear it:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoconservatism_and_paleoconse rvatism
Even if you're not a pure neocon, you exist in a political milieu (speaking of conservative circles, not liberal ones) that greatly influenced by neoconservatism, so you you likely won't have escaped its influence unless you made a conscious decision, as some of us did, to return to the Old Right. |
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"I expected a more sophisticated reason than "the US forces people to kill their own" or, "the Devil made me do it". This is the same reasoning that Eric Michael Dyson and his afrocentric studies crowd utilizes to spread their hate and lies. Ah well everyone has a weak spot."
Sorry: what are you talking about? |
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i believe that defeating islamic jihadism in its infancy will save the world much grief down the road.
i believe that aiding in the establishment of a free working electorate in a formerly dictatorial country is a sound strategy for defeating radical islam.
i do not believe that establishing such an electorate will be easy or accomplished quickly.
i believe that israel deserves the support of free people everywhere if the rule of law is to thrive in the near future.
if those are the standards of a neocon, you may be correct to call me a neocon.
however, many people call me a social conservative because i have strong pro-life, pro-marriage and pro-gun positions.
still others label me a fiscal conservative because i believe in the principle of subsidiarity, smaller central government, lower taxes and more choice for individuals.
you may try to pigeonhole me as a neocon, but i think it is completely inappropriate. |
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forgot one, some label me a liberal because i believe everyone in america should be documented no matter how they got here. |
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People like you wind up making me sound like the "Red Forman" character in "That 70s Show". The past tweny years or so we've spent saving Somali muslims from their own tyranical government and for which we got kicked in the teeth, saved Kuwaitis from bad neighbor Saddam, Bosnian Kurds from the Bosnians, and allowed the population of Iraq the opportunity to live in a free democratic republic at great cost in lives and treasure. It don't take a rocket-scientist to see that US foreign policy has bettered the lives of millions of muslims all over the world. Our foreign policy don't matter a whit to jehadist fascists except that maybe our support of tiny Israel adds insult to their perceived injury. Until we submit to sharia law, convert to islam and most probably be forced to kiss the ayatollahs bare rear end they are going to throw tantrums and kill whoever they think stands in their way. Say, I have an idea, why don't we KICK, STOMP, BADGER, BLUDGEON, AND GENERALLY BEAT THE PURE LIVING SNOT out of them 'til they come wimpering up to us and beg us to stop and at the same time swearing they'll never harm another living soul! Insert Red Formans favorite word for stupid here. |
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"1) Western foreign policy in the Middle East is largely responsible for creating and perpetuating the radicalism; and "
this is the Devil made me do it argument. It is weak. Well before the West came to the Middle East for commercial reasons, Islam and its followers were violent and unreasonable and backwards.
Dyson, Sharpton, West etc claim Uncle Sam makes blacks violent towards each other because of policies and laws and the system of Western thought. |
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Well, that is nonetheless Chalmers Johnson's (et al.'s) assessment, and it makes perfect sense to me. The principal reason it makes perfect sense to me stems from a simple little intellectual exercise called "Put Youself In The Other Guy's Shoes." What would my response be, or yours, Speedicut, if we were a more or less powerless nation and, if every so often, say, an ascendant Russia invaded or lobbed a cruise missle into Alaska or California or Kansas or North Carolina ever so often to further its own national interests? And what if, with every invasion or missle launch, a goodly number of innocent Americans, including women and children, were killed.
I can assure you I'd get radicalized too. Maybe you would as well.
David: one certainly might argue that the Middle East has benefitted from certain commerical interactions with the West. But what the right hand gives, the left can take away. And that's precisely what happened. |
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"Say, I have an idea, why don't we KICK, STOMP, BADGER, BLUDGEON, AND GENERALLY BEAT THE PURE LIVING SNOT out of them 'til they come wimpering up to us and beg us to stop and at the same time swearing they'll never harm another living soul!"
Because they never will, that's why. There are too many of them, they occupy too much of the globe, their will won't be broken, and our resources are limited.
You neocons live in a dream world. |
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the muslem people who got to vote for the first time or the parents and kids who got medicine etc surely don't think we suck. Your argument would be cleaner if you'd specify that the bad guys think the West causes them to be violent morons.
The problem your argument has is that is presupposed that the poor muslems who've never been exposed to McDonalds, air conditioning, satellite television and walking around in public freely would just hate it once they've experienced it.
This is the same mistake that the eco people make when they tell us how much the tribesman love going to witch doctors instead of real doctors and how they love living in mud huts instead of sitting in hot tubs. |
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[[if those are the standards of a neocon, you may be correct to call me a neocon.]]
They are, and I will.
[[however, many people call me a social conservative because i have strong pro-life, pro-marriage and pro-gun positions.
still others label me a fiscal conservative because i believe in the principle of subsidiarity, smaller central government, lower taxes and more choice for individuals.
you may try to pigeonhole me as a neocon, but i think it is completely inappropriate.]]
It's quite possible to be a neocon and be fiscally conservative (well, sort of) and socially conservative. |
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what noble faith in the American Dream and in consumerism as the panaceas to the "Muslim Problem"! What noble, childlike faith. |
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Cicero, I assume by your last comment that you believe the American Exceptionalism is nothing but a joke. Therefore, I suggest if you can find a better idea and a better place...LEAVE and don't let the door hit ya' where the Good Lord split ya' as they say. You won't be missed. |
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which reads:
"Cicero, I assume by your last comment that you believe the American Exceptionalism is nothing but a joke. Therefore, I suggest if you can find a better idea and a better place...LEAVE and don't let the door hit ya' where the Good Lord split ya' as they say. You won't be missed."
Depends upon what you mean by American Exceptionalism. If by that term you mean what the Founding Fathers meant, which is a nation that stands as a beacon to the world but which does not "go forth in search of monsters to destroy", per J.Q. Adams, then no, I don't consider that to be a joke. If by that term you mean, on the other hand, this neo-Wilsonian interventionism partnered with an uncritical view of American consumerism and the state of morality here in this country, then yes, it is a joke. As are the neocons who peddle it.
Nope, "Tea Party" inaptly so named, I'm not going anywhere. I am the proud Anglo-Celt-Cherokee descendant of men who fought the British in the First War for American Independence and of men who fought the Yankees in the Second War for American Independence. I accordingly plan to soldier on in the cause to consign those ideological cousins neoconservatism and liberalism to the dustbin of history. Because the American republic(s) is(are)exceptional, Tea Party. But you neocon goons have turned it into a commonplace empire. |
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I understand what you're saying, Cicero - from your plush armchair and new computer in your furnished house with cable and a big screen. hahaha. gotcha. okay.
well, maybe someday, the enlightened ones of this world will treat brown people like they do whites. |
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