Friday, April 04, 2008
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Huckabee Jealousy Behind Anti-Mitt for VP Movement?
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Posted by:
Matt Lewis at
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Some conservative leaders are now publicly opposing Mitt Romney's consideration for VP.
This is from the Government is not God PAC website:
More than 20 leading social conservatives signed an open letter to Senator John McCain expressing their displeasure over the prospect of an “M&M” ticket being pushed by Karl Rove, Sean Hannity and others in the economic wing of the Republican Party.
Among the signers are those, such as Paul Weyrich of the Free Congress Foundation, who once supported Mitt Romney and now publicly regret it.
View the PDF IMAGE OF AD Note: A trusted source tells me that the minute Romney endorsed McCain, Weyrich decided he couldn't stomach Mitt's decision, and promptly endorsed Huckabee.
With the exception of Weyrich, who endorsed Romney, the signers all tend to be former Huckabee supporters. One source, who was close to the Romney campaign, tells me this is an attempt to elevate Mike Huckabee as a possible VP pick:
"Who has been talking about Huckabee as Veep? Nobody. I'd rather have Hannity and Ingraham saying good things about me to millions of people, rather than worrying about what this rag-tag group says about me."
It has been reported that this full-page ad will run tomorrow in various cities and towns where John McCain will be campaigning. But I'm doubtful it will see the light of day in more than a few small publications ( As Jim Geraghty writes, "This is absolutely fantastic news... for the advertising department of the Prescott Daily Courier."). If this organization were really serious, they would probably focus on targeted direct mail and phone calls. Instead, this is more likely an attention-getting device to try to get some attention for the Huckabee for Veep movement. Here are some an excerpts from the ad:
FOR US THE BOTTOM LINE IS THIS: The unvarnished facts of Mitt Romney's record as governor of Massachusetts make him utterly unacceptable as a Vice Presidential choice.
Governor Romney got no traction during the primaries simply because his recent “conversion” to conservative and pro-life principles is not credible.
Question: Knowing what you do of McCain, do you think that these guys opinion of Mitt makes him more or less likely to pick Mitt based on their opinion? ... My guess is that they have achieved the opposite of their supposed intent and in fact made Mitt more acceptable to McCain after their attacks. ... Hot Air has more.... David Brody has more.... Marc Ambinder has more.
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Governor Huckabee. Let us not rebuke God in His Goodness!!!!
Vote for John McCain for POTUS 2008!!!! |
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We all all Conservative and Republicans, right?
Then we need the leader of America Not a T.V. preacher who gets money by preaching Jesus that is just Wrong!!
Huck, if you are willing to serve the Lord, don't get money!!
Who is dividing here ? Huckabee!!
Yes, who is try to unite the Republicans.
Of Cause Romney, Mitt Romney!!
We won't vote for McCain if McCain chose Huckaberry! |
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How do you presume to know what Weyrich is thinking? But it's a lot more than just "Huck's style". Try his ethics violations and his record.
You version of Main street must be hillbillies. Those are the only folks who cannot seem to figure out the truth about Huck. My version if main street is middle America, and most of them can think straight.
By Huck's own admission, he is not on the list for possible VP's. McCain isn't calling. |
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Your faith in eddie is misplaced. He seems to believe that adult/child sexual relationships are not evil. He said so today in another column by Gallagher. |
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More conservatives will gravitate to Huckabee as vp. Dems and Independents alike.
Huckabee's website, prior to HuckPAC, received a number of positive comments from Obama supporters, some of which were saying that if Huck were still in for president, they'd have voted for him.
Huckabee gets Main St. America. Romney does not. And that isn't meant to be offensive, just fact.
Weyrich was taken off guard by Huck's style, just like everyone else. He's not offensive and sticks to his guns. A rarity now days. |
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love towards God as Eddie has been taught to believe. LDS people believe in the same divinity of Jesus' birth, in Jesus' elevated station as the Only Begotten of the Father, as the Savior of the World, and many other descriptive and lofty titles that describe his attributes and excellency.
I respect the fact that Eddie loves God and tries to live a moral life. I respect the fact that Eddie defends God. I admire faith. It is the first principle of following Jesus, according to both of our belief systems. What we LDS people need to say loud and clear is how much we respect other faiths and appreciate their religious heritages. We want people to be tolerant of our beliefs so we must go the extra mile to understand why others see their faith world through different definitions and theological premises than we do.
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Want to teach my Gospel Doctrine class this Sunday?!?!?! Your GOOD! (Tell, me, your a seminary or Institute teacher, right?!)
Eddie cant see forest for trees, which is why I'm presently ignoring him, when he's off in the LDS is bad tirade. |
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Matt. 13:25 his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat.
Matt. 24:5 saying, I am Christ, and shall deceive many.
Matt. 24:24 shall arise false Christs, and false prophets.
John 6:66 his disciples went back, and walked no more with him.
Acts 20: 29 shall grievous wolves enter in among you.
1 Cor. 11: 18 there be divisions among you.
Gal. 1: 6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him.
Gal. 3: 1 who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey.
1 Tim. 1: 6 some having swerved have turned aside.
1 Tim. 4: 1 giving heed to seducing spirits.
2 Tim. 1: 15 all they which are in Asia be turned away from me.
2 Tim. 2: 18 Who concerning the truth have erred.
2 Tim. 3: 5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power.
2 Tim. 4: 4 turn away their ears from the truth . . . unto fables.
Titus 1: 16 profess that they know God, but in works they deny him.
James 4: 1 From whence came wars and fightings among you.
2 Pet. 2: 1 false prophets also among the people.
2 Pet. 3: 17 being led away with the error of the wicked.
1 Jn. 2: 18 now are there many antichrists.
1 Jn. 4: 1 many false prophets are gone out into the world.
Jude 1: 4 certain men crept in . . . denying the only Lord God.
Rev. 2: 2 which say they are apostles, and are not.
Rev. 3: 16 thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot.
Rev. 13: 7 to make war with the saints. |
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You misunderstood. The people rejected the teachings of Jesus and His Church. It is called the Apostasy. So with the rejection and murder of the Apostles the authority was taken from the earth.
The apostasy was foretold.
2 Thes. 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that can of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; |
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"LDS teach that the Church Jesus founded failed in its given message about 150 years after the Resurrection (that is what I have been told by members of the LDS)."
You misunderstood. The people rejected the teachings of Jesus and His Church. It is called the Apostasy. So with the rejection and murder of the Apostles the authority was taken from the earth.
"My question is, why would God restore an organization that failed to accomplish its purpose to begin with?"
God promised to restore the Church to prepare the earth for His return. Act 3:21 Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.
"The LDS is, in effect, saying that Jesus created a Church that left His followers without the truth for 1700 years. My question is why would He do that? What is the LDS answer to my question. |
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"no my God is not a created thing."
So then God didn't create "all things" did he!!!
You have excluded one thing from "all things" so obviously "all things" doesn't mean what you think it means.
John 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made THAT WAS MADE.
So it is clear, all the things that were made, God made them. But the things that preexisted were not made but already existed. Those things weren't made by God. Get it?
Oh and why do I doubt that you read the Book of Mormon? |
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are you saying matter always was and always will be? Matter pre-existed spirit?
Just trying to clarify what you are saying.
Now how about some substantive issues? If I had the LDS knowledge I would not ask these.
LDS teach that the Church Jesus founded failed in its given message about 150 years after the Resurrection (that is what I have been told by members of the LDS). My question is, why would God restore an organization that failed to accomplish its purpose to begin with? The LDS is, in effect, saying that Jesus created a Church that left His followers without the truth for 1700 years. My question is why would He do that? What is the LDS answer to my question.
By the way, I do not think I have said anything about who is going to heaven and who is going to hell. Also, you are right that Jesus is the Son of God. He is the Second Person of the Most Holy Trinity. All three Persons in the Most Holy Trinity are one in Being and distinct Persons. They are the same Being but uncreated separate Persons.
In general, since you brought up the subject, I believe that people who try to form their conscience as best they can and who try to follow their properly formed consciences as best they can will, through the grace and mercy of God, go to heaven.
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VP Poll-Results are In
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Nachama Soloveichik
Right Wing News has the results from a survey of more than 230 right-of-center bloggers on the most and least desired VP for John McCain. The list of possible VPs was long, ranging from Colin Powell, to Tom Ridge, to Mitt Romney.
Mitt Romney wins with 29.5 points. Interestingly, Michael Steele comes in a close second (see my comments below on this pick) with 28.5 points. Next are Fred Thompson, Condi Rice, Bobby Jindal, Duncan Hunter, and Mark Sanford, all the way to #18--Rudy Giuliani. The least desired VP is Mike Huckabee (I assume the Club has something to do with that). Then Lindsey Graham, Jeb Bush, Colin Powell, Charlie Crist, all the way to #15--Tom Ridge
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I'm glad your going to heaven and I am not. But you know so much more about my faith than I do (although I studied for the past 40 years, this faith). I'm gald your an expert on it. Thank you. Thank you for showing me the light. My faith in the true chruch has now wained. Where do I go to get 'saved'? I'm a sinner. I thought the Jesus I believed in was the son of God. You've taught me He is not. Mea Culpa, as the Cathoics say.
Ok, jokes over. I can't buy the 'poof! your here! and poof, the world is here!' theory. Matter existed, and Christ was commanded to organize it into this world. Go re-read the first couple of books of the bible and find it. It's there. So, go start your own website and tell mormons what they belive in. Or better yet, go stand in front of the LDS conference Center next conference (October), and tell the other 4 million or so that they are wrong. No one will argu with you. But the will laugh, shake their heads, give you a pitty look and move on. |
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no my God is not a created thing. He always was, He always will be, and He always remains the same.
I have read the Book of Mormon. It appeared to be written by a poorly educated person who relied primarily on the Holy Bible for content.
You may correct me if I am wrong, but it sounds like you are saying that LDS believe in their teachings because they believe they come from God after reading the Book of Mormon.
My question is how do you know that the teachings you accept as a member of the LDS come from your god (who was created by my God). Just like how did Joseph Smith know his supernatural encounters were with God and not some other being? |
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If you really want to discuss theology, get your Bible and come on over to http://logicalsanity.com/
But you better be prepared to defend your beliefs with scripture. |
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"My God is the Creator of all things from nothing."
Did he create himself from nothing. Is he not part of "all things"?
IF you exclude one thing from "all things" then "all things" doesn't really mean "all things" in the way you think it does. |
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I noticed you didn't quote a single scripture to support your claims.
"This is a sincere question."
Why do I doubt that?
eddie, all we ever ask is for people to read the Book of Mormon with a sincere heart and real intent and then PRAY about it and God will manifest the truth of it them by the power of the Holy Ghost.
God is ready able and willing to answer the prayer of the humble and sincere.
THAT is how we KNOW.
So eddie be fearless and read the Book of Mormon with a sincere heart and real intent and then pray to God to know the truth of it. |
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no one understands LDS theology. It changes regularly.
My God is the Creator of all things from nothing. I cannot help you if your god is a creature and was created by my God.
Here is a little more about the God I believe in.
He is One Being, He is almighty, He is eternal, He is infinite, He is all knowing, He is all loving, He is all just, He is all merciful, He is the Creator of all things including the universe. He is Three Persons in One Being. His Son, my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, has co-existed with Him throughout eternity.
I know that LDS theology does not teach these things. The fact is that these are Christian teachings and have been Christian teachings since the time of our Lord Jesus.
You may call them unimportant. I do not. Obviously, you do not believe them.
My faith is much greater than the LDS faith if only because there is so much more revealed in my faith than the LDS. As evidenced by what I wrote above.
Although, I will give LDS credit because they believe that the Church Jesus founded was unavailble to human beings for approximately 1700 years. Now there is a man to put on a pedestal. Someone who couldn't even start a religion that would remain faithful to him.
That is LDS teaching. No they do not say it. But what they do say leads only to that conclusion. If it did not, there would have been no reason for Joseph Smith's visions and the subsequent founding of the LDS.
I do have one question for the LDS among us. How do you know that Moroni and Joseph Smith's other visions and encounters with the supernatural did not actually come from Satan? This is a sincere question. I really would like to know why you believe that Joseph Smith received revelations from Almighty God and not from the devil.
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The bottom line is that Jesus Christ called Himself "the beginning of the creation of God".
Why? Because He was the first creation of God the Father. Get it? And it is right there in your Bible. Does that make Him a creature? NO!!! It makes Him a Son. Get it?
PS. No where in scripture does it say that God created the "universe". No where in scripture does it say that God created everything from nothing (ex nilo).
It is obvious that you don't understand Mormon theology. You should refrain from telling us what we believe when you have no clue. |
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the bottom line is that my Savior is the uncreated creator of all things. Your Savior is a creature of the uncreated creator of all things. I do not begrudge you your belief. However, you can surely see why I would not give up my Savior being the Creator of all things to adopt your belief that my Savior is a creature.
I will stick with the Creator of all things (including your Savior) as my Savior. |
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thanks for reminding me about your question.
Also, in my faith God does not hate anyone.
Here is my answer, however it is not in my words. It is from someone much more educated than me.
The Laodicean church was not an apostate church, for its candlestick had not been removed, but it was a neutral church, agreeing with the Scriptures and Christian doctrine in general, but so enamored of its worldly eminence that it would not stand firmly on such controversial doctrines as true creationism, full Biblical inerrancy, perspicuity and authority. It was "lukewarm" (Revelation 3:16). Thus the Lord introduced Himself as "the faithful and true witness," whose Word therefore must be inviolable. He is the one who had created the universe itself, "the beginning of the creation of God," allowing no doctrinal position that could accommodate the pagan evolutionism. Furthermore, He is the "Amen" as well as the Creator, the Omega as well as the Alpha, so they should have been looking toward His imminent coming, rather than trying to impress the world.
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You sound as if you would rather condemn the attacked rather than the attacker. What about Mark, or do you agree with him?
People like him deserve to be called exactly what they are.
Qweenmum is quite calm and rational, and sometimes very funny. She fights for the truth, justice, common sense and decency. |
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you mean like "God Hates Mormons"?
Still waiting for you to answer my post of Tuesday, April, 08, 2008 6:27 PM. |
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namecalling and insults flow from the typing of self-proclaim LDS. Most I know are much calmer and more reasonable than those who post here.
However, the LDS is right to stay away from theological discussions. If they espouse their dogmas openly and honestly, few would agree with them. I guess actually few do agree with them. |
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Huh? Ok, I'm offically a dumb mormon gal.
Lets see... by your reasoning, members of the KKK are the very same as good law abiding SBC's, because they have the same bible, and live by (somewhat) the same teachings.
Swaggart (I have SINNED!) means that everyone in the evagalical movement have affairs outside of marriage. Huh. But your wife is pretty ticked off now! BUT, he had the same bible, and lived by the same words.
Mark, your reasoning if quite flawed. I'm LDS, and know the difference between the FLDS (Which the church has asked that they change their name, on many occassions). When I was 15, I was going to dances, and not allowed to date, let alone marry. Oh, my dad must have not been living right, as he only had one wife, as did EVERYONE in my wards from birth to now.
Plain and simple. Your an idiot and a bigot. And I will put you on my offensive list, just as I would hope you put me on your. Now, I have to go to a womans group from my ward. I'll take a quick poll there to see who else thinks your an idiot. |
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Warren Jeffs was a leader of a breakaway Mormon sect that actually lives the teachings of Joseph Smith and the lifestyle that Smith endorsed.
Warren Jeffs is a true Mormon according to the book of Mormon and the teachings of Joseph Smith.
Joseph Smith himself was a practicing polygamist who married underage girls and sanctioned religious marriages of underage girls to older men.
Warren Jeffs was simply living the same lifestyle that Joseph Smith lived and preached, while the Mormon chuch of today does not.
Warren Jeffs was simply being a true Mormon according to the teachings of Joseph Smith--the religious polygamist that Mitt Romney also claims to follow. |
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First, after careful consideration, he endorsed Romney.
Then, when Romney dropped out he endorsed Huckabee.
Then he apologized before God and his fellow conservative leaders for not endorsing Huck sooner.
Then he got hot because Romney endorsed McCain.
Then he put his name on a dispicable anti-Romney ad full of lies about Governor Romney's record meant to persuade McCain on a VP choice. (Why does he care if he hates McCain?)
Then he claims he was misled and asked for his name to be removed, saying he thought the letter was going to be private.
Did he only want his name on it if it was a private letter rather than a published ad?
What's up with that?
Where do these signers, including Weyrich, go to get their credibility back? |
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who hate mormons know or not, but Warren Jeffs is not, and never has been, a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. ONly ignorant people who can't read, know and understand FACTS, could even think that.
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... because they've chosen a wicked false god who was invented out of thin air by Joseph Smith.
The god of Mitt Romney.
The god of Warren Jeffs.
The god of polygamy.
The god of marriages between 50 year old men and 13 year old girls. |
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"I don't like Barack Obama as a candidate and wouldn't vote for him, but his *supporters* have enough class for any ten of you Romney supporters."
Are you kidding!
Go check out those "classy" Obama supporters on HuffPost. Classy my arse. |
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Hello again Qweenmumof7!
Some good ideas Qweenmumof7! I haven't donated to the GOP in several years! I agree, and let the bigots have this one. Obama is going to take it anyway, and I'd love to see all the squealing and gnashing of teeth as the country slides into SOCIALISM. I just hope Mitt comes to his senses and rejects the VP slot if it comes to that.
Since bolting the Republican Party some weeks ago, I became an independent. In making my decision to leave the GOP, I took into account what the party had become, the support Religeous right traditionally given it, the treatment the Party was giving Romney, the blatant bigotry by so-called Conservatives, yes even those Reverends posting on TH, towards the LDS Church and many more reason along these lines, was enough to push me over the top. Before joining the GOP in 1993, I was a Democrat, but I won't be going back there either.
I'm still social and fiscally Conservative in my political beliefs, but I will not vote for Obama as he and his lemming followers scares the dickens. I recall the criticism of Romney for supposedly converting to Conservatism for political purposes and being a flip flopper. Just heard today in the news, where John McCain, has made a total conversion to Conservatism, and after his past reputation as a Liberal and treatment of Romney, won't vote for him either. I will vote, but only because there are others offices state and locally I will attend to. If there is a "Write in" slot, I will write in Willard Mitt Romney for president!
I don't no what my local LDS brothers and Sisters will do politically, but I sure hope they make the right choice.
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has moved away from his 'support' of the no mitt ad. In fact, he pretty much claims he was lied to about the purpose and content. He was under the asumption it was to be a private letter, not full page ads. He has asked his name be withdrawn from the ad.
But hucks team is 'honorable', right? LOL. Busted, folks. Busted.
He's the story:
http://www.theamericanmind.com/2008/04/08/weyrich-backs-awa y-from-no-mitt-ads/ |
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If so, McCain is wise to keep it under wraps for as long as possible. Why give the anti-Mormon brigade months and months to try to tear the party apart?
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Romney is out working hard for McCain to win in November. He's showing his true colors by trying to unite the party. Huck and his supporters showed their true colors this week as well. They are divisive and intolerant, and not too pretty.
Why isn't Huck out campaigning for McCain? Quite simply, he isn't wanted, and by his own admission, is not being considered for VP.
All Huck and his supporters are left with is to bully McCain, and then throw a tantrum that their anti-Romney ad backfired.
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It's the Huckabee vs Romney thing and at the bottom of it is probably the Baptist vs Mormon controversy...
Mitt for VP. |
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I have an idea. Let's let the bigots have this one. Let's get every LDS of voting age, to stay home this Novemeber. We'll then see how much influence our vote has, and I can promise you. We'll NEVER be taken forgranted again! Let's withold our money (it's not good anyway, because it was earned honestly, not taken from little old ladies). Let's withold our votes. In 2012, they'll come crawing back to us, and give us whatever we want.
Along those lines, we will also make sure we will not vote for anyone who is of the same faith as Huckabee. Let's use the very same litmus test that is used on LDS candidates!
Ok, I know we've been counseled not to do just that, but you know? It would wake folks up, really fast.
President Obama, anyone?
Sparks is gone to a mark. |
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cavalier973:
Yankee nerd eh? I heard he was too slick, too plastic, not a hair out place (Geez, maybe had he only showed up with a 5 o:clock shadow, maybe a pony tail and an ear ring, maybe he'd been taken seroiusly eh?) Fox News' Brian Wilson even thought it was hilarious that Mitt pulled the skin of his chicken before he ate it! Pandering? was the by line Wilson used!
You say "Romney looked like a policy wonk, not a politician. "Good!" you might say. But we elect politicians, not policy wonks."
Yeah, I say: better a smart policy wonk than rite than a double dealing, lying, hypocrite politicians we now running running for the President of the USofA
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In 1999, I had an opportunity to learn how to operate a Personal Computer. After learning how to surf the net, I decided to see what was there concerning the Church. What I found was outrageous; the lies, the deceit, the bigotry, the snobbishness of the anti-Mormon element there. Sadly these same anti-Mormon sentiment can be found right here on the TH in it's postings. So, do you understand JOHNFW
You think the forgoing is fair JOHNFW? |
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johnfw:
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Sorry Lad, its you that doesn't get it! Like I said, I see nothing wrong with calling an ace an ace and a spade a spade. I can't speak for anyone else here, but I will fight for my Church anytime anyone wishes to throw down the gaunAtlet and challenge my faith.
In this country today, it seems like we have a double standard when it comes to religion and politics. Quite some time before this primary heated up after Romney decided to run, the MSM made darn sure that the country knew that when people were polled and those who were aware that Romney was LDS, that the country knew that so many people would not vote for Romney because he was a "Mormon" There it is, plain and simple! They simply would not vote for a Mormon regardless of his other qualifications, and thats not bigotry? You didn't see the old man in New Hampshire who refused to shake hands with Romney because he was a Mormon. Not bigotry eh?
When ever the press has an opportunity to show or try to show the Church in a bad light, it pulls out all the stops. Here is an example: The state of Texas right now is in the process of cleaning out this fundamentalist Polygamous Church near El Dorado. The press goes to great lengths to point out the title of this group, lwhich calls itself the "Fundametalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints" Drop the term "Fundamentalist" and what do you get? You get my drift johnfw? Yet most MSM refers to the real Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints as the "Mormon" Church. The Church several years ago Church asked the press to when referring to the Church, to use its correct name. Why you'd have thought the press was being asked to give up it's freedom of the press! Indignant were they, so it continues on with what we are referred to to date.
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instead of doing the tax rebate.
You know, Romney may work toward all the things you claim, but all I have to go on is what he said, and that was that he would dole out the lettuce.
But even if that was Romney's intention, it's irrelevant, because Romney was unable to get enough people to vote for him. The reason? You claim it was bigotry against Mormons. Now, if there were two or more LDS members running, and all of them were shunned, I might grant your point. But from what I see, Romney came off as a flakey yankee nerd, and it just doesn't play well to the base to be a flakey yankee nerd. I bet if we had had an LDS guy from Texas who had video of himself shooting down a bear, who had always been staunchly pro-life, who had been consistently conservative, then he would have won hands down. Huckabee wouldn't have had a chance.
Romney looked like a policy wonk, not a politician. "Good!" you might say. But we elect politicians, not policy wonks. |
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Right, the fair tax. Doesn't matter, Huck only used it as cover for 500 mil in new taxes which he affectionately called HOPE. How sweet of him to give Arkansans hope like that.
You're wrong on Romney - he's a fiscal conservative and talked about lowering all kinds of taxes. Capital gains, death, etc. And keeping Bush's tax cuts permanent.
The healthcare solution in Mass costs folks a very small amount if they choose not to buy healthcare. It's like $100 - 200 or something. Big deal, the benefits outweigh the drawbacks because there will be a drastic decrease in people using emergency room services without paying.
And one more thing. Romney IS an economic genius! Nobody running this year comes remotely close to Romney in business experience, financial intelligence, or past record managing financial crisis. If he were pres, he would cut spending, make government more efficient, and work for less regulation, less taxes, better trade agreements, and whole host of other needed reforms. He is exactly the guy we need right now.
Romney understands the importance of the free market. But wasn't it Huck who suggested building a highway to stimulate the economy? LOL |
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And the honorable, non-bigoted, conservative Huckabee was for it from the first, so there was no "suspiciously timed conversion."
Mitter the Quitter, by the way, did not support any tax reform, whether flat tax or Fair Tax. He also promised to give government money to bail out the auto industry. Very non-conservative of him.
Oh, and did I mention that Romney instituted a program that used government power to interfere in people's budgeting decisions, forcing them to buy health insurance whether they felt they needed it or not? Because Romney's the economic genius of the universe, and he should make all of our budgeting decisions for us.
Back in 1992, I overheard someone (a Clinton supporter) say that Clinton would make us all millionaires. There was no specifics how Clinton would accomplish that, but I'm reminded of the incident everytime someone says that Romney's going to "fix the economy." The only way that Romney can "fix the economy" is to stay out of the market's way. He has not shown that he would do that.
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Tell Govnotgod you don't agree with them and McCain that you would vote for a McCain/Romney ticket. http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/mittvpyes |
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What about Huck living up to his conservative conversion? Are you going to disregard his past just because he says he has changed?
The truth is that Romney actually was the most conservative choice we had after Fred dropped out. Heck, Guiliani was even more conservative than Huck or McCain, and conservatives complained about him all year!
Romney was labeled as a flip-flopper, but they all had even more actual flips than he did, and he didn't flop. I've seen the lists and I'm not going into it - google it, it's there. Romney had ONE. Sure he had a lot of moderate rhetoric when he campaigned 14 years ago. So what. He was a real conservative when he governed Mass - one of the most liberal states.
So give me a break. Everyone pretends to be so distraught over Romney's authenticity. Got news for you - every last one of them were in the same boat.
Huck changed from being pro-amnesty to anti-illegal immigration as late as Dec 07. And his suspiciously timed conversion to the flat tax was hilarious. |
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Rev 3:14 And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God;
So who is "the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God"? |
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religion will always be a part of politics. To most people, their faith is more important than their party. I understand how people get tired of religion being part of politics. I get tired of race being a part of politics. However, neither religion or race is going to soon be eliminated from political discussions and political contests.
I personally do not evaluate anyone based only on their religious beliefs or on their race. I just get tired of all the namecalling and distortion of candidates' records.
As for Romney, I have repeatedly said that once Romney lives up to his conservative conversion and establishes a conservative record that I will consider him as a serious candidate. However, I am not going to disregard his past and his record just because he says he has changed. He will have many opportunities to prove himself as a leader in conservative circles. He just has not yet done so to my satisfaction. |
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I just don't get the double standard. Maybe I'm just a dumb mormon gal, but I don't see why it's necessary to talk about Mitt's religion, and not Hucks. Yea, we differ on Theology. I believe that Jesus is the Christ. He was sent to this earth by the Father, to bear the burden of our sins. I believe that Jesus died for me. I believe that he lives today - in the flesh. I'm not sure, but I kinda think that's your guy too. I don't see the harm in believing that Jesus is a different person than the Father. I pray to the Father, in the name of Jesus Christ. I've heard evanglists do the very same thing, when I served on an interfaith counsel, and it was their turn to offer the prayer. Heck, I've dated a man who later became a Catholic Priest - even he prays to the Father in the name of Jesus Christ. That tells me (and makes perfect sense to me) that these two Men are very different in body and personalities and roles. If you choose to believe they are one - that's your faith, not mine and I respect that. I believe in God the Father, and in his son, Jesus Christ and in the Holy Ghost. If at the end of this life, I find out that they were all the same guy - then mea culpa. I don't think I'll be put to hell for having faith.
Now that we have common ground, can we move away from yours or my versions of theology and back to politics? |
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Other faiths are welcome to proselytize wherever they want to. I respect people who want to share their faith. Differences in theology are important to me, they just don't matter in politics as long as one's theology does not include blowing up infidels. I happily voted for Pres. Bush, and I can't see ever voting for Harry Reid.
Just for fun, I'll bite. I believe that Jesus was talking to His Father, not Himself when he prayed (see John 17, Jesus' baptism, His words on the cross, and Steven's vision while being stoned for examples). If He had a Father (as He told us He did), then that would indicate a "creation" took place at some point for Him. This does not lessen my love and reverence for Him and His sacrifice for us all. |
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This is the same Paul Weyrich who already said he would not vote for McCain. I guess we are all supposed to forget that when he decides to push the VP choice for McCain.
Mr Weyrich, If you aren't voting for McCain, why should we give a damn about what you think his VP choice should be? Leave that to people who actually plan to vote for him. |
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preferences, I know that life will go on no matter who is elected POTUS. My life will change little and my faith not at all. |
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If it is not about theology, than what is it about? Isn't theology the only thing that is different about Mormons?
It seems natural to me that when someone thinks other people's beliefs are damaging to his or her soul and the souls of others then they would not want these damaging beliefs to gain a foothold or influence in your community.
Do you hear Mormons encouraging other faiths to come proselytize in their communities?
From what I have seen on these blogs, Mormons want to ignore the theological differences. They resent being challenged on their theological teachings and do not want to discuss them.
Do you believe Jesus was created or is He uncreated and eternal? That is the bottom line of disagreement between traditional Christians and Mormons. |
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we would be okay. We all go to different churches because we think we have found more Truth in our church of choice. Eddie you are helping to make our (Mormon posters) point about closed mindedness and bigotry very nicely.
The differences shouldn't matter when considering political candidates. Other than some paranoid ranting about an LDS leader being controled by Salt Lake, how would these theological differences that you keep citing matter in office?
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If Romney were not LDS is what I meant. |
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Oh come on - you know it's not about theology at all. Its all about making sure a Mormon isn't president. Huck and his followers gnash their teeth at the mere thought of a Mormon president or VP. If he were not LDS, Huck wouldn't have won Iowa, and the anti-Mitt ad wouldn't exist.
That IS bigotry. Huck is the ringleader. |
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disagreeing with Mormon theology and pointing out the specifics of your disagreement does not make someone a bigot.
If someone's faith teaches them that only people who have the same beliefs as his/her own will get to heaven, telling you (who have different beliefs) you are going to hell is not bigotry. It is definitely presumptuous, but it is not bigotry.
To put it more simply, they are not saying you are going to hell because you are Mormon. They are saying you are going to hell because you do not have the same faith as them. That is just theological disagreement. |
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I invite you to read some of the posts that have been made here. We've been called 'cultists' (Sarah), Child molesters, satan worshipers -the list goes on and on and I. I DO get it. I also get that huck was forced to save face by apologising to Mitt. He's never asked for our forigivenss. And, whywon't he release the content of his comments to a Anti-Mormon Convention he was keynote speaker on? There are folks that are not wanting Mitt because they don't agree with him. Those folks I respect. But when Sarah tells me I'm going to Hell, because I don't have the same savior as she... It's a little much, and leads me to believe there is a lot of bigoty out there.
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on here talking about Mormons and bigotry are Romney supporters.
Even the Romney supporters who post on here are unable to come up with any concrete examples of bigotry on the part of Huckabee.
They just love their own (Romney) so much that they are blind to the truth. |
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why would people who believe Jesus is the uncreated Second Person of the Most Holy Trinity support those who teach that Jesus is a creature, the most glorious creature to be sure, but still a creature.
These are two opposite teachings. To those who hold that Jesus is the uncreated only Son of God, it is heresy to teach that He is created.
That is not bigotry. That is a disagreement over doctrine. If people choose to try and stop advancement of doctrines which are anthema to their faith, they are not being bigoted.
The truth is never bigotry. |
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refused to vote for Romney becasue of his religion. Huckabee played to that crowd, and it worked. |
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I meant to say refused to vote for Romney because of his religion.
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I don't think all Huckabee's supporters are just like him, but I do question why they support him, and I think it's obvious that many people, evangelicals in particular, refused to vote for him simply because of his religion.
Huckabee needs to be called exactly what he is. I agree with you that my statements against him are harsh. I don't know him, but I can judge what kind of president he would be - and he is simply unacceptable because of the things he's said and done. Since when should we stop calling a liar, a liar? |
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You just don't get it, do you? You give a negative perception of Mormonism by your constant use of the terms bigot and bigotry, and your other insults, name-calling, hateful sentiments, and resentment along with lumping entire groups together in the brunt of your ire--Huckabee is a bigot, uneducated, liar, etc. therefore all his supporters, evangelicals, Christians, are too.
That would be like me believing that all Mormons harbor the same acrimony that you exhibit in your invectives. Fortunately, I don't think that since I'm not a narrow-minded bigot. |
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Bigsky. My fav is Mondson, then Ballard. I do adore Holland and am very impessed and humbled by Uchtdorf. |
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Whoever is VP is being set up to be the next President if McCain can pull a win this time, which is why there's so much pent-up emotion about the subject.
Also, the VP pick is usually someone with credentials to try to shore up the people who are on the borderline for supporting the main guy. W chose Cheney to shore up support among people who were concerned about W's lack of foreign policy experience. |
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To all of you posters arguing the point.
The VP spot does not count.
My vote is dependent on what the candidate -not the VP pick -does or does not say or do.
Everytime Obama and Clinton have just about convinced me that I have no option but to vote McCain he opens his mouth and puts me right back in the "Not Gonna Vote for President" mode.
Rhetoric like what I have seen posted here is the reason we have totally worthless McCain as the nominee in the first place.
These arguments are silly. While neither is reliably conservative I would have voted for either of them for president and given either the benefit of the doubt which I will never give McCain. |
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Dr_B writes: 'He governed one of the most liberal states in the union and did it well as a conservative.'
ME: That seems to be under dispute:
Mitt's Mythical "Mass. Miracle"
http://www.spectator.org/dsp_article.asp?art_id=12568 |
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Thanks again queenmumof7
Seems to me you are pretty darned close. I post here sometimes on this theological subject, because, I stand up for my faith, and I will not, I repeat, will not as a Latter Day Saint be taken for granted by any political Party just like the GOP has done for us those oh so many years. I have no grudge against people of any faith and know there are many fine people in all religious organizations,its just that when people hear the word Mormon, its like its open season to slander, ridicule and malign the Saints.
PS: I was hoping that Elder Holland would be given a chance to speak, and when he did speak, I wasn't disappointed! |
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Right on Target here and thanks for all your posts and insight |
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You are awesome, bro! I have not reached your point yet, but I'm heading there. LDS have been the most loyal of republicans for generatons. We have been stopmed on, harrassed and spit on by some who call them selves 'christian'. John needs to spend the first weekend next October, out front of the conference center to see how vile his people are.
Without us 'loyal' LDS voters, we would be saying goodbye to Al Gore. Eventually, we need to break this glass ceiling and move about the world without having to listen to idiots who know so little about our faith, but want to define it. I was impressed with the talk this weekend where (I think it was Eyering) who said about Testamony that i belongs to me. NO ONE can refute it. They can only disagree. We were counseled to love those of different faiths, and work together with them. Monson is an excellent example, by the friendships he has with leaders of faiths quite different than ours.
Respect is a two way street. Now get off the theology, and on to more important stuff, like sleeping next to my eternal mate. Bet John can't say THAT! |
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Window or open door, Mormons, (what's a Mormon?)call em what you like, if you can't undrstand em, then give it a rest. One thing is for sure, and isn't this the case all around America,especially right now with the Obama/Jeremiah Wright thing, liberals and others will crucify you if you so much as mention a black person by the color of his skin--but its fair game to deride and ridicule and refer them as hypocrites, bigots and so when a Mormon resorts to self defense (What's a Mormon?) Ain't that right JOHNFW? Sure hope you didn't think that Mormons(there's that word again) don'r roll over and play dead and let the likes of you, Evangelicals and the likes of Mike Huckabee poop on them and try to rub it in.
Yeah, its a signal to us whenever we here the Name Romney to rush to his defense, just as the Evangelicals who rush to prop up the loser Huckabee. Nothing gained here though, because it will never stop.
A few weeks back, I gave the middle finger salute to the GOP and via letter told them to never darken my doorway or window again harrassing me for donations to the Party. So you self seving and self righteous Evangelicals and anyone else wishing to prop up the this sorry excuse for a political Party, go right ahead. So, this is one Mormon (darn, there's that word again) who will never again be a soft touvh again on it's behalf |
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You missed it. It was on TV, Raido, Internet.... Conference. And it was AWESOME. (As usual!).
I'll be voting for Mitt this Nov. Either as veep, or as a write in for Pres. McCain just needs to let me know which way he wants my vote and money. |
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(Mormons) witholding any RNC contributions until we are 100% assured that Huckabigot and his ilk, have gone away - far far away; he is a bigot who used religion against millions of Mormons; bigot; Enjoy your bigoted day. I'm listening to the MoTab singing 'How Firm a Foundation"; Huckabigot; bigotinchief; this bigot govtnotgod site will be experiencing the wrath of the majority; he's a skunk; (Huckabee) lies; Huck is the skunk; (Huckabee) seek(s) to incite divisions based upon race, bigotry, and predjudice; these clowns (religous right) And they do it all in the name of misguided righteousness; made himself ridiculous; idiots like you (a commenter); (Huckabee) lies ... his record is suspect; mealymouth'ed "Aw shucks Gomer Pile"; Huck is qualfied for dog catcher, if he could even find the dog his kid stung up; someone a vile as Huckabee; agents of intolerance have now lost their credibility (religious right); "religious" right are bullies; God wants us to vote for men with character, who don't lie, and whose primary motivation is the good of America. That easily excludes Huckabee; Huckabee is and always will be a snake oil salesman. He holds the bible in one hand and is paying the devil with the other. I have lost all respect for the man. He has shown himself to be deceitful and bigoted .... “
Thanks for providing the above window into the hearts and souls of Mormons. |
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PC wrote: “I am going to listen to the leaders of my church at conference, now. I invite all to tune in and find out a little bit more about the LDS faith. You will find a tender spirit of love, devotion and committment to the Savior, Jesus Christ. And a proclamation as to His divinity. Perhaps you will gain a small window into the hearts and souls of the LDS people.”
I don’t know what PC means by “tune in”—TV, radio? The only way I can find out more about the LDS is by reading comments posted here by Mormons. These same types of comments are used after any articles that mention Romney, Huckabee, McCain, election, Republican party, Christians, evangelicals, etc.
Window into the hearts and souls of Mormons through the words of PC, Qweenmumof7, Ann R. and others:
“Agents of Intolerance (evangelicals); bigotry; Huckabee the lying, liberal, televangelist "prosperity gospel" preacher; we're better off without you (evangelicals); glaring flaws in character; unvarnished bigotry; the snake Huckabee; Got bigotry? Get Huckleberry!; bible thumper gig and as the gov. of a 3rd world state; Huckster; Huck is a loser; He's washed up. Gone. He does not even have a decent education. He's a bigot; dumb as a post; whether the bigots matter (right wing Christians); the Huckabillies; Huckabaggage, dirty; huckalemmings; transparent shabby tactics that the Huckster used. Shame on all of them; (evangelical) "leaders" really are agents of intolerance; corrupt politicians; Huck's ethical lapses; useful idiot; (Huckabee is) also a bigot; Huck is not autentic; |
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Sorry to disagree with some here, but Mitt IS NOT VP MATERIAL, but rather "PRESIDENTIAL MATERIAL", and since Mitt decided to sit this one out, I wish and hope he continues in that direction. To lock arms with this little Banty rooster McCain for a bid to go to Washington and be McCain's right hand man is a bit of a stretch, especially after the way he was treat ed by McCain and the others during the Primaries. Oh, I suppose that Mitt is a bigger man than to go off and sulk or pout, but neverthe less, I hope he doesn't do it. Neither the GOP or MSM ever gave Mitt much credit for anything, I'm scratching my head wondering why would Mitt even think about linking up with McCain just for the sake of party Unity? Let the GOP or swim on it's own. |
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In the huckabee home.
"Uh, hellow?" answers a tired voice.
"Mike? It's John. How ya been? Miss you on the campain trail. Me and Mitt, we've been having a grand old time out here. He's not the stuffed shirt we thought he was! Hey Mike, I'd like to talk serious stuff with you. Gotta minute?"
"Oh John, for you, I've got at least 4 years! Whatcha need?"
"Well, you know how you helped me beat Mitt?"
"Yup! I sure do! We sure got him, dident we?"
"Yes, indeedee we did! Say, I'll cut to te chase. I'd like to offer you..."
"YeS! OH YES! I'll accept the VP position!"
"Yea, about that. I'm giving that to Mitt. BUT,I have a reall sweet posiion for you as ambassador to Iran! Heck, you'll have loads of fun in the sun over there!
"But JOHN", wails Mike. "That just not fair!".
"Well Mike, Sometimes the dragon wins. IN this case, it was the better man. But hey, send me a postie from the dunes? Nice chatting with ya. Mitt's calling for me to get back to the Karoke machine. Cee Yaa!"
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Did it pay for the ad? I read that somewhere, but don't know if it's true.
Huck said he had nothing to do with the content or the placement of the ad, and that he was emailed about it before it ran. It leads one to ask how involved he was, since he is only denying parcial responsibility.
This is par for the course with Huck. He is a divider and a jealous man. Mat Lewis is right. He can't get over the fact that he has no chance for VP or 2012. And he is being repudiated right now with this ridiculous and transparent ad against a fellow GOPer that backfired.
I thought when you quit the race you're supposed to shut up and come together? Someone forgot to tell Huck, and apparently he had no sense to realize it himself.
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I read that Mormons are the most consistent republican voters. At least they were until now. It sickens me to think that such a good man was so vilified because of his religion. I actually thought Romneys religious beliefs were a plus. Married to the same woman for over thirty years, 5 great sons, no personal scandals. He doesn't just talk about morality, he lives it. |
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I'm thinking McCain was exactly right when he said some of them are agents of intolerance. Now that they didn't get their man, Huck, they are throwing a tantrum. And it's really good to see them for exactly what they are!
They have far less power than they suppose, thank Heaven. |
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I meant Romney 2012. How i wish that the 2008 was true, though. |
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I am Catholic, not Mormon, but I too was sickened by the evangelical bigotry toward Romney. Believe me, they don't treat Catholics much better. At least we now know how they really feel about the rest of us on the religious right.
The real irony is that it is the evangelical Huckabee voters who gave Mccain the nomination. The man who is the most socially liberal is now the republican standard bearer, thanks to them. Funny how things turn out.
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Grab Romney while you can.
Of course Huckabee is pissed. He stayed in as a spoiler to Romney because he thought he'd somehow have a shot at the VP slot if he took one for the team.
Guess what Huck? McCain (and most of the urban GOP) really don't like you all that much. Not to mention your absolutely spotty record as a conservative. I wouldn't vote for Huckabee - ever. No matter if he were on the top or bottom of the ticket. Huckabee played dirty in the primary and tried to make it look like he didn't. Not to mention the rediculous statement he's made in the past.
Romney on the other had has ZERO spots on his record. He governed one of the most liberal states in the union and did it well as a conservative. His personal and business lives are both impeccable. Not a hint of any ethical blemishes at all. The man is bright, hardworking and honest. And he's got a great family.
Plus he brings in the business sector, that is pretty much abandoned McCain up to this point.
So Romney gives McCain everything he needs: Youth and Vigor, Business Cred, Money, campaign infrastructure, the right wing of the GOP, Talk radio, Michigan and real strength in western states.
Not a bad pick at all.
Besides, is there seriously ANY conservative who wouldn't love to see Mitt tear apart the waste and mismanagement that is just crushing our current government? The guy would just CLEAN HOUSE.
I for one would. Frankly, I think that's the biggest reason the MSM hated Mitt so much. They realized he's the bureaucrat's worst enemy. |
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Huckabee is and always will be a snake oil salesman. He holds the bible in one hand and is paying the devil with the other. I have lost all respect for the man. He has shown himself to be deceitful and bigoted. I wonder if he knows that while he may be fooling some people, he is not fooling God. |
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I guess the people at my alma mater don't vote? LOL. I know they got ticked off that 80 percent were pro-romney. THIS WAS NOT a BYU issue. And I don't believe this was all from the BYU Server. I know my computer is about 100 miles north of BYU's server. When we see infomation that is just not correct, we correct it. That's what got this groups knickers in a twist. They did not like it that their little scheme backfired on them big time. Unitethegop.com is pretty close to getting their pac up, and will be able to take donations soon, to put up their own ads.
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I'm fairly sure that God wants us to vote for men with character, who don't lie, and whose primary motivation is the good of America.
That easily excludes Huckabee, unfortunately. |
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McCain will not pick either Romney or Huckabee.
Unless he picked Duncan Hunter and told us he had 8 months to live, there's not much chance I'm voting for him anyway. |
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So, when the no-Mitt ad didn't work and the overwhelming majority of signers said they WANT Romney, the folks had to remove the pro-Romney posts and claim that they were so bad they had to be taken down. Ha, ha! They actually said they needed to refuse posts from the BYU servers!
Does anyone really believe that?
I saw many of the posts - and the ones I saw were not rude or hateful at all. They just said they wanted Romney for VP. These folks are doing us all a favor exposing who the agents of intolerance really are. These folks have now lost their credibility forever.
Some of the "religious" right are bullies - but now they are learning they don't control the party, and they are throwing a temper tantrum. |
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Hey, people need to get this loud and clear! The petition itself was not bigoted, but the SIGNERS. Most have a documented history of anti-Mormon statements and writings - some of which are complete lies.
It's not hard to understand the motivation if you think about for a second or two. |
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about huckabee gettinganywhre close to veep or the residency. If he is the candidate, it is a sure loss for the GOP The gallup poll may be out, but it does not refelct the true feelings. Remember, without Utah, Nevada, Idaho and Arizona, there will be not mccain presidency. And we won't vote for someone a vile as Huckabee. We will write in Mitt, or vote third party But never, never will we vote for huckabee.
McCain knows that. But if he's dumb enough to pick Huck, then it will be Mitt in 2012, after 4 long years of democrate control. |
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I didn't see anything "hateful" in the NO MITT ad. I saw an expression of an opinion with basis for that opinion. How is that hateful? And what did Weyriech say that was hateful? When did having a difference of opinion become equal to hatred? Sheesh.
And Huckabee is in the lead in the Gallup poll. Actually, Huckabee would be the best president.
God's in charge, so I'm not going to worry. I will pray and do what God leads me to do come November. |
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Oh, my gosh! When people don't want Romney as vp, they are called jealous, bigoted, and God knows what else.
And Mormonism has nothing to do with it.
Like someone already posted, true conservatives are pushing back. I haven't read anything hateful about Mitt Romney and I do not wish to do so. The fact that he was, shall we say, hazy, on homosexual marriages and abortions, was the deciding factor for me.
Romney is extremely intelligent and knowledgeable. But I think his wealth could be a liability when looking at the vp slot, from a political stand point. |
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I would be more afraid to have Obama or clinton in the WhiteHouse more than Having Romney as a VP csndidate. Who wants to vote for a party that just wants to raise my taxes and take more money away from me that I earned. |
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It is very clear that the GNG folks got a taste of what real america thinks, and they don't like it one bit. So, Murry campainged for a Mormon. That's very 'christian' of him. What about the others who 'signed'? Do ome research on them. Mitt is the most qualified, period. Huck isqualfied for dog catcher, if he could even find the dog his kid stung up. |
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I really just don't care who McCain chooses, I'm just not voting for him no matter what he does. The only way his VP choice is at all important is that the person who gets it will be getting all kinds of national media attention and will have a leg up in 2012. |
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It is not the job of the President to establish industrial greatness. That comes naturally when the government keeps its dirty paws out of economic matters. Any attempt to shore up the auto industry by giving it government funding and guidance will most surely doom the auto industry to further ignominy. That Romney promised to do exactly this show me that he really doesn't understand economics as much as people tout.
The best thing the government can do to help the auto industry is to lower taxes, open markets, and deregulate. McCain has already shown this to be his philosophy for the most part. See George Will's recent column. http://www.townhall.com/columnists/GeorgeWill/2008/04/06/p olicy_minimalism_in_the_era_of_big_government
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Why can't well meaning people change their positions on key issues and be applauded for it? Romney is and always has been the clear choice for true conservatives. The Republican elites and the liberal media wanted McCain and thats what we got. McCain always touts that he reaches across the aisle to get things done. Problem is, he reaches to the Left so far that he has become indistinguishable to left wing democrats. Heck, he might as well be a Democrat because he is more concerned how they view him then how the Republicans view him. And Huckabee is a phony who indeed is jealous of Romney. If people could not see his lies and half truths in regards to what his true intentions really were during the campaign then they were not being objective. Huckabee wants to give in state tuition to illegals and open up the borders. This is just an example of how he leans to the Left. If you support him, then you do not support true Conservative Republican ideas and you should vote Democratic.He stated many lies about Romney throughout the campaign and America does not need another liar from Arkansas as President or Vice President. |
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I believe if he concentrated on Jobs and the message of Jobs like he did when he was running in Michigan he would be a shoe in for the McCain ticket and help to seal the deal. Also, I believe his wife would get along great with Cindy McCain. Both of these candidates...however lacking they might be have very beautiful and intelligent wives who would further compliment the ticket.
As far as evangelicals...I personally believe that a McCain/Romney ticket is a no brainer and that evangelicals will vote for the ticket without any problem. In fact, what they might lose in support because they are perceived as not conservative enough...they will probably gain elsewhere with people who are more liberal.
As far as his Mormonsim, I don't really believe it is that much of an issue especially if he would be a V.P. running mate. Besides, our constitution does say there should be no religious test in order to run for and be elected to public office. Not only does Romney understand business but he is a former Governor with that kind of legislative experience too. Huckabee is a good man but he has not understanding of business and is too much of a suck up to John McCain. How would he ever be of any value to a President as a SUCK-UP?
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Personally, I am a Ron Paul supporter but because John McCain is a member in good standing with the CFR I just don't see where that would help Dr Paul. Although Romney is not a member of the CFR...he does unfortunately cow tow to their Globalist agenda. However, I am willing to give him a chance because I believe he and Dr Paul are the only ones who understand business.
When I was growing up the Bishop in my church once told me that men and women who go into politics should have a good understanding of Economics and Business. Dr Ron Paul and Mitt Romney have this. I know its a gamble but I am willing to support Mitt Romney and give him a chance because I believe its his personal legacy to help re-create the greatness that permeated all of America with the American Car Industry in Michigan, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Illinois and in what is now called the "Rust Belt" I believe Governor Romney would sit down with a large number of leaders from American companies and listen to them and make it his mission to help re-create the miracle that men of vision like his father Gov George Romney, Thomas Edison, the Wright Brothers, Harvey Firestone, Henry Ford all had and that once made states like Ohio, Michigan etc the envy of the world.
Once the greatness of American Industry is restored it would be like a heart transplant and would pump new and fresh blood into the veins of our country and help restore our Industrial Greatness as a leader in the world and not as a bystander. Hopefully, this could be done just as it was done in the old days...with men of vision and intellect and blood, sweat and tears instead of some New Deal government program which Obama and Clinton would start. |
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This argument was originally made (for the presidency) on another website. But, the link has now expired. As far as it goes, it still applies to VP. It was preserved at HucksArmy.
Anyway, for those who still think of themselves as fairminded:
"The Case for Mike Huckabee"
http://forum.hucksarmy.com/viewtopic.php?p=57362#p57362
Additionally, while some call Romney the hero of the Olympics. Some might call Huckabee the hero of "Katrina":
"Huckabee's Ark"
http://www.opinionjournal.com/cc/?id=110007292 |
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"All on the same weekend the GNG group spews out thier hate."
I didn't see anything hate-filled on the website. To what are you referring? |
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over 1500 people and counting have signed a petition to ask McCain to not pick Romney for his VP.
1,452 of them may be diehard Mittwits who really, really want Romney to be the VP, but to "prove a point", they signed a petition that govnotgod can then take to Sen McCain and say "See, all these people will bail on you if you go for Romney."
So fine, then. Have it your way. Prove that you can outnumber all the bigoted Huckabee supporters by having everyone you know sign the petition and leave a snappy little comment. Maybe Queenmum can have her 400,000 African-American "immediate family" members sign the petition.
Then, in a few days, McCain will get a petition signed by 3.2 million people asking him not to pick Romney as VP. |
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Any way you look at it, the plan blew up in their faces. The people who went there and made comments in favor of Romney did their job.
Then they cry about Romney supporters being dishonest, What A Hoot! |
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One of the questions was "Would you vote for a McCain/Romney Ticket. You betcha I will. Never for a Huck/anyone ticket.
Any good attorney knows that if you don't know the answer to the question, don't ask it. As you may not like the answer you get. It was pretty clear to me that GNG did not like the 80% who would indeed vote for a McCain/Romney ticket. The dishonesty is in them. Now they say the public comments is closed, and they added that overzelous volunteers inadvertanty erased pro-romney postings, and all answers to #3 question. The mislead us into believing that all posts were mean and nasty. They were not. There were a few, on both sides. I did not see any of the anti-mormon nasty comments being erased. Only Pro-Mitt postings. Oh really? over zelous volunteers? Perhaps this is an excuse Nixion could have used, and gotten away with it.
I have forwared the actual results, up to to not only the McCain campaign, but also to the prominent talk show hosts. I hope this is topic one on our AM airwaves tomorrow. |
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Warren Jeffs is not a Mormon. He never has been a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Check your facts, loose as they may be. He heads up the Fundlementst Latter-day Saints. Very different from the mainstream sect. VERY DIFFERENT.
I do come from a polygamist ancestory. I'm quite proud of that ancestory. It is no longer practiced by the LDS mainstream church. If it were,I'd ask my husband to find a wife who likes housework, as there is sure a lot of it around here! But to say that Warren Jeffs and Mitt Romney belong to the same church, you need to get your facts straight!
I find it odd that First Baptist Church busses were used to remove the girls womenfolk off the Flds compound, and they were taken to the First Baptist Church to bunk down for the night. No one else see this but me? All on the same weekend the GNG group spews out thier hate. And now, I read folks trying to tie Jeffs to Romney? Perhaps just a weird coincidence, perhaps not. |
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This is on the site where you sign the petition and leave comments:
"Note: If you support Romney you should not be signing a petition against him in order to make pro-Romney statements. That is flat out dishonest."
Now, maybe all of you Mittwits were merely signing a petition saying that you DID NOT WANT Romney to be McCain's VP in order to post comments that you wanted Romney to be McCain's VP. But the impression I get from your collective posts is that you thought you were participating in some sort of web poll. |
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And you Mittwits pay attention. The website in question was a petition for John McCain to NOT ask Mitt Romney to be his Vice-President. If you registered to leave a comment, EVEN IF YOU CLICKED THE LITTLE BOX THAT SAID YOU WOULD VOTE FOR A McCAIN/ROMNEY TICKET, you were signing an on-line petition to John McCain to refrain from asking Romney to be his VP.
The little boxes were to see if, even if you didn't want Romney on the ticket, you would still be willing to vote for the ticket, if McCain picked Romney despite having all these people sign a petition that he not do that.
They have a new article on the govnotgod.org website. In part, it reads, "There was an overall dishonesty by the Romney supporters who posted at the NoMittVP site. In order to leave a post they had signed a petition saying they did not want Mitt Romney as their VP choice. To be blunt, they lied in order to post pro-Romney or anti-evangelical messages."
They are giving you Mittwits way too much credit. All of you apparently think that you were voting in some web poll or something rather than signing a petition. |
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What a shock, the Huckster. |
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Sorry, no other way to put it. Get a clue, you're embarrassing yourself. |
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Yes, just like the "innocent" question to the NYT reporter, his denial that he knew anything about Mormonism, and his refusal to say whether he thought the LDS church is a cult. Ditto for the floating cross, and the negative ad against Romney. "What, who me?"
You're right, he always takes the Gomer Pile approach. Actually, Gomer Pyle was far too nice a character to be compared to Huck. |
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Both Mormons. Both stand for Mormon principles.
Mitt Romney shouldn't be shy about his Warren Jeffs endorsement.
I understand the Jeffs' clan is 100% behind Mitt. |
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I saw the huckabee 'response'. I too thought it was a strange one He had two roads to take on this. He could have manned up, and told GNG to stop, making it clear that he did not and would not support this type of ad, and demand they not run it, or he could take his mealymouth'ed "Aw shucks Gomer Pile" Approach. He chose the latter, telling me volumes. When this first came out on Friday morning, the GNG website encouraged views on Romney. They did not specify that you had to be ANTI Romney to vote, only they wanted all and balanced views. I respected that, and gave my view accordingly. I kept track, going to the website often to read the comments from both sides, and printing them out because I sensed something fishy about to happen when they posted that they were getting more romney support than anti romney support. Then, by Saturday morning, I noticed that postings were disappearing. I emailed GNG, and asked them why, and reminding them that I had proof that this was happening. I suggested they look into it. By today, they had it up on their website that they were deleating all pro-romney postings - yet they still had the #3 question asking if we supported a McCain/Romney ticket. I also noticed that no one was answering #3 anymore. Only the 1st question. This is not my America. If you don't want opposing views, don't ask. And if you do ask, and your suprised that 80 percent of the respondents said opposite of what you wanted, don't be a 3 yr old, take your ball and go home sniveling. You asked for our opinion, you got it and now you don't like the results. In my America, we are allowed Free Speech. Perhaps in your America, you only allow it if it supports only your viewpoint.
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If you haven't been to the Govnotgod.org site recently, you should check out the new article describing the hate filled Mormon response to the anti-Mitt ad. I guess Mr. Murry has not been reading the blogs over the last year to see how heated the evangelical/Mormon issue is and really how hateful some from both sides are. I agree with the post that said let's take the high road. As for the petition, for those of you who strongly disagree with the govnotgod petition, simply go to http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/mittvpyes to register your disagreement with the other petition and to confirm that you would vote for McCain/Romney if that's how it falls out. Then each side can have it's own petition and we can try to bring a little more civility to this bitter debate. BTW Cav, the godnotgov site did say "Readers are given an opportunity to express their opinions of Mitt Romney as the vice presidential choice of Senator McCain at http://www.NoMittVP.com". Call me stupid (and I'm sure you will) but that implies that differing opinions were solicited.
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Here's part of the Fox aritcle:
Asked whether he was part of the ad campaign, Huckabee, the former Arkansas governor and a Baptist minister, said he didn’t help coordinate the ad and didn’t have a position on it.
“I had nothing to do with the content or placement of the ad,” Huckabee told the newspaper. “I know somebody had e-mailed it to me beforehand.” Huckabee added that he doubted McCain would pick Romney anyway, “given their deep philosophical differences.”
Don't you think it's weird that he said he had nothing to do with only the content or placement? Or that he knew about it befrorehand and did nothing to discourage it?
Why doesn't he have a position? Anyone else would denounce the ad as divisive and misleading. The claims it makes about Romney are false and have been discredited many times.
Why didn't Huck stress the importance of the party coming together and supporting whomever McCain chooses? That is exactly what Romney has done and would do in this circumstance if the tables were turned.
That is why Romney is the man of character, and Huck is not. Every time Huck gets a chance to be petty concerning Romney rather than gracious, he takes it.
Apparently McCain thinks he has more philospohical differences with Huck, though, because he's hanging out with Romney. They have already become friends.
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Those who are not affected by the facts about Huckabee are dense. I'm sorry. I'm glad that Romney's religion makes no difference to you, but you are in a small minority. For the petition signers, and the majority of Huck supporters, it's all about religion. Go look at mymanmitt.com for links about what the 20+ signers have said about Mormonism.
Why do so many people care how Romney spends the money he earned helping companies grow? He could make many more millions at the drop of a hat. But instead he chooses to serve his country. He wants to make a contribution. When Huck was in office it was all about getting money, as it is for so many politicians. Romney doesn't accept any salary for his efforts, and he is going all around the country helping McCain and will soon be helping elect real conservatives. What is Huck doing?
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It's not so much that Mitt spent so much money: it's that he spent so much money for so litte.
Huckabee spent a fraction of Romney's money and still got second place in delegates. I'd say that was pretty successful, by the way.
I refuse to let other people define for me what is and is not truth, PC. I look at the facts as they are, and draw my own conclusions.
Romney's religion makes no difference to me. I would vote for him and McCain if they are the ticket. But Huckabee, as I've detailed in earlier posts, is a better pick for VP, in my opinion. |
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You are right. These folks simply refuse to see the actual record and actions of Huckabee. It really is all about religion for them. Is there anything Huck could do that they would denounce? I doubt it. They couldn't care less that he lies or that his record is suspect. Or that he talks and acts like a dem.
What's up with everyone worrying about Romney's son's inheritance? I've been bugged by that, too. Like you, I prefer to assume that his sons want to make it on their own as their father did.
I signed the petition supporting Romney for VP. I'm sure McCain sees exactly what is going on with the anti-Romney petition and will not be swayed by it. He was right way back when calling these folks agents of intolerance!
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Talking to these handfull of folks that hate mitt because he's a success, if acutally tiring. Huck claim no knowledge of the GNG group? Yea, just like he knew nothing about Mormons, yet spoke at an big anti mormon convetion. When hucks mouth opens, lies spew out.
It was Mitt's money to spend. Funny, the ones who are ticked off that Mitt is spending his son's 'inheritence' are NOT Mitt's sons! Huntsman is giving it all away, and will most likely die broke. Think his son (who is the gov of Utah) gives a whip? No. It's HIS MONEY, he EARNED it and can SPEND it any way he sees fit. Making up lies about Mitt just does not make it true. His record is out there, it's public, and it tells a much different story than that of what this group GNG and others on this blog say about him. Same with Huck's record. I have no respect for a man who can't make it on his own. If huck were a success, I'd take a third look. But he's a failure. And a bitter loser, at that. |
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Don't blame Huckabee for Mitt Romney's problems. It is not Huckabee's fault that he is a true blue conservative, always was, always will be and Mitt's recent conversion, combined with saying things that stretched the realm of his credibility (Reagan was wonderful, would have endorsed Mitt, but Mitt was an independent during the Reagan era and didn't even support Reagan. Marched with MLK, then didn't, was an avid hunter, then wasn't, for abortion, against, for gay marriage, against it.) To change your mind once in a while is ok, but this is too much and, whether he is or not, he doesn't appear authentic. Conservatives have decided that Huckabee is our man and, of course, we would like to see him as vp. But this ad and these conservative leaders are simply saying that Romney is not authentic to them and unacceptable and we know we need a conservative to balance the ticket. They are not even mentioning Huckabee's name (unless I missed something). Romeny started this whole thing by going on Fox (his bought and paid for tv channel) and openly campaigning for the vp spot. That got some people mad!!! Romney has run negative smear campaigns against Huckabee, McCain and Guiliani and if he can dish it out, he needs to learn to take it!!! |
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...is a multi-millionaire con artist trying to buy himself the Presidency, who's willing to say anything, and claim or jettison "principles" at a whim, just to get elected to higher office.
To those who still think Mitt Romney's resume qualifies him to be president, go to rightsmart.blogspot.com and read up on his record. Job growth in Mass. was abysmal under his watch. Fees skyrocketed and local taxes mushroomed to avoid laying off police and firefighters. No wonder he was a one-and-done governor; with his approval ratings, he never would have won re-election. |
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What part of "this is not a web poll" do you not understand? This was a petition. You sign your name saying that you don't want McCain to pick Romney for VP. Then, you have the opportunity to say whether you would still vote for a McCain/Romney ticket, if McCain should go against your wishes and pick Romney for VP anyway.
Even if you check the box that says you will definitely vote for a McCain/Romney ticket, by registering your name, you are saying that you agree with the petition to try to keep McCain from picking Romney for VP. |
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It's important to call the petition effort exactly what it is. These are proven anti-Mormon Huckabee supporters. Go to mymanmitt.com and see the research for yourself.
These folks are trying to divide the party. They are taking their lead from Huckabee himself, who is the master of division. This is just more of the same.
To these folks, a Mormon is unacceptable. To my mind, that ATTITUDE is unacceptable!
They need to be exposed as the true agents of intolerance that they are. |
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Huck is indeed pro-life, pro-marriage, and pro- 2nd amendment, and that's where his conservatism ends.
That's the conclusion of everyone but Huckabillies. Rove said Huck would double McCain's troubles. Why? Because he is way more liberal than McCain and the base will not turn out for Huck as veep.
When it came down to only McCain and Huck, Huck couldn't pull it off. He didn't make a dent against McCain. If he were a true conservative, it would have been no contest. The base was begging for an alternative to McCain.
If Huck had dropped out, the base would have put Romney over the top.
I don't know how you can justify some of Huck's stunts. He did steal furniture and had to return it, he did register for "wedding" gift so that donors could legally help him pay his mortgage, he did lie about numerous things. You can't close your eyes to his corruption issues forever. Sooner or later, you need to face it. Why do you think he's on the list of the top 10 most corrupt politicians? |
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It does give petitioners a choice. It does appear that most of the signers were indeed pro-Romney.
No matter, McCain knows exactly what is going down. He has no interest in Huck, and the effort backfired. |
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Huckabee is Pro-Life, Pro-Marriage/Family, Pro-Gun Rights. He wants to increase military spending to 6% of GDP (same as under Reagan), wants to win the War in Iraq and the War on Terror. He supports a meaningful and comprehensive tax reform plan.
That's not a liberal.
Some of Huckabee's political foes have charged him with "ethical lapses." Having looked into all the charges, I find that most of them are baseless, and that Huckabee's side of the story makes more sense than his political detractors'. Duncan Hunter, considered one of the true conservatives in the race, campaigned alongside Huckabee, and gave that glowing endorsement when he dropped out. I'll take Hunter's word that Huckabee is an honorable man.
Huckabee has shown an ability to turn out the base, especially in the South, which McCain needs to win. Romney has the ability to raise mounds of cash; cash which got him a third place finish in the delegate count, as it turns out.
Huckabee is a much better pick for VP. |
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Well, PC -- Let's start with Iowa where Romney's millions won him only a "silver" in spite of outspending his opponents by obscene amounts. And the South, where Romney was a no-show... The point is, Romney tried to buy the nomination (mostly through caucus states) but ended up flushing a good chunk of his sons' inheritance down the toiled. The "rag tag" group effectively competed to a tie in delegates, and chased Romney out of the race before Huckabee bowed out.
Read today's Washington Times too, which interviews Huckabee. He has nothing to do with this campaign, and quite a few of his supporters (myself included) want nothing to do with the McCain ticket.
Go on laughing to yourself, PC. It sounds pretty hollow from here. |
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Don't you think that Baptists are cults? How about Catholics? What about J.W.'s? Pentacostals? All cults, by the very definition of what a cult is. So, if I as a member of the Church of Jesus Christ, of Latter-day Saints, am a member of a cult, I guess I could not have chosen a better one to be a member of!! at least in our cult, we are allowed to think for ourselves, and vote for whomever we feel more connected to. Heck, my Stake President has a Ron Paul sign on his yard. Now, I'm no fan of Ron Paul, and think he's a nutjob, but I do support his right to express his personal views. I've never heard him speak about Dr. Paul in church, and I don't support him. I am thankful not to be limited in my views by what my preacher dictates to me. |
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When you register to leave a comment at the site, you are signing your name to a petition to keep Romney from being McCain's pick for VP; regardless of what you say on the petition, you've signed your name to it---you are saying that you actually DON'T want Romney to be McCain's VP. |
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Evangelicals are ALREADY GONE. The GOP no longer reflects our values. We are tired of frat boys telling us that what's good for BIG BUSINESS is good for America. That's not always the case -- and today's committed Christians can think for themselves.
Besides, with all that's going on in TX this weekend, we are not going to vote for a guy like Romney. According to the LDS Church's Family Search service, Miles Park Romney, Mitt's great-grandfather, had five wives. "I believe marriage should be between a man and a woman … and a woman … and a woman," Romney quipped at the 2005 St. Patrick's Day breakfast in Boston.
BTW -- the PC I was referring to means "politically correct." And I agree -- none of what I am saying falls in that category. But I'm fed-up with the GOP and it's time to be speak frankly.
OBAMA '08!!!! I might even "choke" and vote for Hillary is the choice is between her and McMitt.
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Are we stretching things in our excitement to condemn GOP presidential candidates past and present. Does every political ad have a long life in the memories of the readers?
So what if some Townhall people don't like Mitt. So what if supporters of Huck don't like Mitt and want to rework campaign charges previously refuted and clarified. They paid for their ad and there is no law saying that every word and conclusion must be totally correct. Better to have freedom of the press than blood in the streets.
This is a regular mud fight and we're all getting dirty. Everybody to the showers and lighten up.
Zingers of "you're a jerk, bigot," etc. nullify one's comments or arguments.
John McCain isn't going to be stampeded into choosing or not choosing a certain candidate because of our caustic comments to each other.
I support John because he's the remaining GOP candidate and has the support of the former candidates, including Mitt Romney. John was not my first or second choice, but he has my support now and occasionally I'll comment or add to my blog (view from my kitchen windows) re Romney's value to the GOP team.
Let's take the high road, state our opinions and respect that feelings are running high about this election. Thanks for what I learn from the opposition. We're talking about real people who have different views and experiences. Tolerance and openness towards each other help us all as we sort through our loyalties and objections.
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And I'm very confident that the Lord accepts my eforts as a member of His church. I accept that Christians are acting in good faith with the information they have. Why can't folks like cyndy and the signers of the petition accept that LDS people are also acting in good faith with the information they have about the gospel?
Me, I've voted for candidates with many different faiths in my lifetime. Very rarely have I been given the choice to vote for an LDS candidate, and it doesn't mater one bit to me. I look for people with values, integrity, competence and the right conservative ideals. This is the American way, and cyndy's way is neither the Lord's way or American.
Most of the signers of the petition have a history of anti-Mormonism in their public statements and writings. Check it out, and then see them for exactly what they are. Agents of Intolerance. McCain was exactly right. |
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no matter how much you want to. Sorry. |
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I thought I was one of them, until Romney dared to run for pres. I found out that the religious right will take you money, and your support, but heaven forbid one of "us" should seek the presidency!
They all say, "NO WAY!"
And they think they are right.
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I'm sorry -- I'm going to forgo being PC and say that Mormonism IS a CULT. Just read a bit about it and the abuses of the "church."
There is NO WAY I could vote for a Mormon to lead this nation. And yes -- call me a bigot in this area. Planned Parenthood feels the same way about my views regrading abortion.
Christians -- we can no longer be "lukewarm." we need to stand up for our faith! |
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I rest my case.
"Christians" can never vote for a Mormon, right cyndy!
Way to make my point, I really appreciate it. |
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How you, Hunter and all the other Huck supporters can overlook his liberal record, ethical and character lapses is beyond me and probably does just boil down to what I said earlier.
It really IS all about religion for some folks. How else can one explain the fact that no matter how tarnished Huck's record and actions are, he is still "it" for some people. There is no other explanation other than the religious angle. Remember, McCain as bad as he is, is still more conservative than Huck. Huck was the least conserative GOP candidate.
And no matter how stellar Romney's record, qualifications and character, he is the wrong religion and can never gain support from the folks who think religion is the most important criterion.
And now the huck supporters are dividing the party in ways as bad or worse than the dems. The will come together, but I don't think some "religious" voterw will ever support Romney. We will soon see how much these agents of intolerance matter.
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... is that the power-hungry Republican elite will DEFINITELY lose in November because Christians will either stay home -- or vote Obama. McCain is bad enough -- but adding a fast talking, flip-flopping Mormon is totally UNACCEPTABLE.
I am praying that McCain doesn't tap Governor Huckabee as VP -- and if he does --- that the Governor is wise enough to say NO WAY.
Obama is looking pretty good these days. At least this is a vote for social justice as opposed to a pair of lying, wife-cheating, flip-flopping frat boys.
BTW -- Sean and the "Blondes" have lost all credibility with Christians. We have learned that you just can't trust people from NY. Tom Wolfe was so right in 2004 -- the two coasts are just parentheses for the REAL USA.
Goodbye GOP... we sooooo need a THIRD PARTY! |
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Romney supporters went to the site to counter the negative and divisive purpose of the petition. What is funny is that it had so many more pro-Romney signers that it had to start editing them out!
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A true prophet of the Lord told me today that I need to be more tolorant of idiots like you. So, if you want second place, do your dance and take it. RCP did not count the WY delegates for some reason. They said it was a causucs. So, let's even it out, do the real math, add them in and Mitt took it. But in the spirit of the counsel I received today, I'll let you have it. Enjoy your ill gotten gains, and wasted victory. I'm a social conservative, who will never support huck for anything above dog catcher.
Keep "second place". Mitt is first in my book. |
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Why not go through and purge all anti- an vile mitt posts, as GNG thoughtto do, to skew their poll? Oh yea. Mitt supports free speech. Huck supporters only support it if the speech is anti mitt and pro huckabee.
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I find it interesting that McCain's most harsh critic during the primary was Mitt Romney. Then, Mitt drops out and quickly endorses his former bitter rival. How anyone can take him seriously and not see through his self-interest and flip-flop personality? His character can not be trusted and therefore is not qualified to hold the position important positions of VP or President of the United States. |
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You write: "You do not understand the man you support, or you willingly close your eyes to his many dirty deeds, including the one in which his perfectly planned, exquisitely timed intentional attack upon millions of Mormons - divided social conservatives."
Well, me and Duncan Hunter disagree with you.
Says Hunter: "Mike Huckabee is a man of outstanding character and integrity. I saw that character over the last year of campaigning and was greatly impressed. The other Republican candidates have many strengths and I wish them all well. My personal choice is Mike Huckabee." |
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There is no jealousy involved here. There is no bigotry because of Mitt's religion. This ad is about ROMNEY and his true colors. He has flip flopped on just about every issue. This is about HONESTY and INTEGRITY. Mitt has proven that he doesn't even know where he stands on the issues. The statements in the ad are true. VALUES VOTERS will NOT vote for McCain if Romney is on the ticket. The media lied to their viewers when it came to Romney being a true conservative. Either that or they didn't do their research. Go to http://www.trueromney.com and see for yourself. Romney is not a conservative. In fact, he's more liberal than McCain. Quit blaming Huckabee and his supporters. Look at the petition. Ron Paul supporters, Fred Thompson supporters, and even McCain supporters signed the petition because of their distaste for Romney's flip flopping. Again, BLAME where the blame lies...Mitt Romney. He dug his own hole by telling every other crowd what they wanted to hear in order to gain a vote. If Mitt is on the ticket, I cannot vote for him. I vote PRINCIPLE, not for the good of the party. If McCain wants to win, he will choose a TRUE CONSERVATIVE that cares about prolife issues and the sanctity of marriage between a man and a woman. PERIOD. |
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The website in question has a link to a petition. Several people, who strongly support Romney, have admitted that they have put up pro-Romney comments on this site. They have presumably checked the box that says they would indeed vote for a McCain/Romney Ticket. They have also complained that the owners of the website have decided to remove all pro-Romney comments from the site.
Setting aside the argument that the website belongs to those who put up the page, these Mittwits apparently haven't any idea that they have just signed a petition to discourage McCain from picking Romney as his VP!
Let me put it another way. THIS WAS A PETITION!!! NOT A WEB POLL!!!
Priceless.
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If McCain picks Mitt "I'll flip flop on any issue" Romney, as fas as I, and many like me are concerned, he's on his own!
http://OsiSpeaks.com |
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If McCain picks Mitt "I'll flip flop on any issue" Romney, as fas as I, and many like me are concerned, he's on his own!
http://OsiSpeaks.com |
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You do not understand the man you support, or you willingly close your eyes to his many dirty deeds, including the one in which his perfectly planned, exquisitely timed intentional attack upon millions of Mormons - divided social conservatives.
I am going to listen to the leaders of my church at conference, now. I invite all to tune in and find out a little bit more about the LDS faith. You will find a tender spirit of love, devotion and committment to the Savior, Jesus Christ. And a proclamation as to His divinity. Perhaps you will gain a small window into the hearts and souls of the LDS people. |
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"Like I said, Romney felt a duty to respect the justice system and to never override a decision made with fair consideration of the law."
HA HA HA HA HA!!!
Okay, then...whatever. It's that attitude of never being wrong, no matter what, that makes talking with you Mittwits such a joy.
Romney felt it his duty to screw over one of our heroes, deny him a job for which he was probably highly qualified, because in this veteran's youth, he was engaging in the antics of a typical 13 year old.
Maybe Romney is just a jerk. |
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Don't be ridiculous. Huckabee doesn't seek to incite divisions based on race. Neither does he hold bigotry and prejudice in his heart. He reaches out to people. Which is why he, as a Republican, can win the votes of African-Americans, who normally despise Republicans.
David Duke is a totally different animal.
Besides, Huckabee won 8 states. I don't remember Duke winning any states when he ran in 1992.
Huckabee never said that Mormonism is a cult, that I remember.
He maintained that Romney's faith does not disqualify him for the Presidency.
Huckabee did get peppered with questions about Romney's religion until he said something that (in my opinion) was misconstrued as an attack on Mormonism.
Well, Romney apparently thought that it was okay to ask him whether or not he believed Jesus was God's Son. I'm not sure why it's then not okay to ask if Jesus is Satan's brother (especially when, according to LDS.org, that's a belief that LDS members do hold--spirit siblings, etc).
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Like I said, Romney felt a duty to respect the justice system and to never override a decision made with fair consideration of the law. I don't care how many pardons Huck denied, the reason he had so many requests is because criminals knew his pattern.
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Who knew way back then how right McCain was about some of these clowns. And they do it all in the name of misguided righteousness.
Huck's supporters are dividing the GOP, while Romney lead the effort to unite by dropping out when he was still viable, and by wholeheartedly vowing to help McCain. Which he is doing right now with great success.
Huckabee made himself ridiculous with his longstanding pointless campaign. He sure enjoyed the limelight, though didn't he?
Again, Romney did the honorable and productive thing, and Huck did not.
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The similarities between Duke and Huck are obvious. They both seek to incite divisions based upon race, bigotry, and predjudice. |
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That pardons and commutations are against the law?
Yes, Huckabee gave 1,000 pardons. He also denied over 7,000 requests for pardons. He signed the death warrants for 16 criminals.
Meanwhile, Romney, as you correctly stated, granted no pardons. What a guy!
Oh, wait...from: http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/romney_on_huckabee _ii.html
Pardonable Offenses
In another example of skewing the news in his favor, the ad shows a June 12, 2007, Associated Press tagline under the headline "never pardoned a criminal." But the closest the AP article comes to saying that is this:
AP: During the four years Romney was in office, 100 requests for commutations and 172 requests for pardons were filed in the state. All were denied.
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