Thursday, February 07, 2008
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John McCain's Superb Speech
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Posted by:
Hugh Hewitt at
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It was a strong appeal to conservatives' strongest suit --their deep patriotism and their admiration of his sacrifices and service.
The seven reasons for supporting the GOP nominee I noted two days ago remain the same, and both Mitt Romney and John McCain reminded the CPAC audience that the fall campaign against the Democrats will be waged across a much greater divide than any which separates Republicans. November's vote will be a referendum on whether to pursue victory or accept retreat in the war. Senator McCain has Governor Romney's support in that campaign, and he should have the support of all conservatives as well.
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"Senator McCain has Governor Romney's support in that campaign, and he should have the support of all conservatives as well."
Ok, I'd support him; but it would be political communication on the Internet, which will be one of McCain's first targets as President (stacking the FEC and regulating the internet, in a further attempt to kill the First Amendment).
Why should all Conservatives support a precedent of removing Constitutional freedoms by law again? |
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from "The Radical Fringe" (tm):
http://www.amnation.com/vfr/archives/009873.html
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Thanks for the comments.
I just wish the Hugh Hewitts and other dutifull Repulicans would send a clear message - either come around our we are not going to the polls.
For too long conservatives have been the African-Americans of the party - the group that always voted for the party no matter HOW much they manipulated and used us without delivering.
Trotting out a handiful of loyalists who would destroy the party for the sake of unity will not convince. As I will post elsewhere, it is likely that the first two domestic programs of McCain will be to give citizenship to illegals (in the long run adding a net of 5 to 10 million democratic votes) and an expansion of campaign finance reform which will further crush party fund raising and restrict speech.
A Republican President will be far more powerful in promoting this destruction, and anyone who votes for him is assuring the end of party conservativism for a generation.
I wonder how Hugh and some posters will feel when McCain is mugging and backslapping with Kennedy, Schumer, and Reid as a "band of brothers" in defeating the rank and file of Republicans by opening borders and CAP and trade?
McCain does not just ally with democrats, he toasts their victories and uses their savage rhetoric.
Shame on those who assist this deeply evil man...
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Another excellent post.
McLiberalTex will surely think you work for Soros now, even though it's McCain that is taking money from him. |
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One of our nation's best president came from a thirdy party. Yes, Abraham Lincoln was a republican...back when the republican party was the 3rd party. When the 2 parties no longer represent the base's views, a 3rd party rise is likley. Now don't get me wrong. I am not supporting the libertarian party or anything like that. Like Luther, my preference is to reform the party, NOT elect McCain, send a message, move back to conservative principles, and move forward. However, Luther's desire failed and he reluctantly left the Catholic church and created a new church. Have we come to that? Or will the establishment listen to the base? |
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I hated all the Hugh bashing this entire primary season. Because you supported Romney so valiantly, people were ruthless in their assessments. Now, I join them. Conservatives cannot support McCain because he is not only NOT conservative, but he has been mroe destructive to conservative causes than any democrat in recent years. Ironically, Hugh is the one who informed me on all this!!
I am a conservative first and only loyal to some political party if they are loyal to their principles. Like Reagan said when he left the Democratic party, one who is NOT voting republican this presendential election, "I didn't leave the [Republican] party, the [Republican] party left me."
"This is the most important election ever" is all we ever hear...every election. And by believing that myth, we continue to compromise principles as the GOP becomes the pro-war socialist, vs. the Democrats, who are the anti-war socialist. Either way, I am not voting for a socialist... and I will actively campaign against it. |
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If McCain wins the election and does a poor job.
He will be like George Walker Bush (4)years & done.
The base has a Messiah.
We just want a leader with a Christian World View. |
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Thanks very much... It is hard to overestimate the calming effects of a kind and gentle heart such as yours. There are still some good people in here.
Unfortunately, there are many new people as well. If you'll forgive a crude analogy, it's like coming back after a few months to find your favorite park has been turned into a dog run, and now you have to watch where you step and put up with the smell. Such is Townhall today..
Even our old friend Joe is smearing all Christians for the actions of a few this morning...
Ah well, good to hear from you. I appreciate your thoughts very much. |
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I'm a 55 year old retired Army officer who only voted for one Democrat in my life-Scoop Jackson. The Republican Party has left me cold. First the fiscal irresponsibility of the Republican Senators-A Bridge to nowhere. Then weakness and defection of the Senators on the Judges-Led by McCain. Now McCain as Nominee of the Party. Campaigns such as "Not one Dime more" do not apply to me now. I'm changing my party affiliation to Independent. |
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So good to see you back!
Old friends; neo, hawk, and you must have been busy.
I really felt so bad for Hugh, and still do.
The critizism on Gov. Romney were uncalled and just cheap shots.
Before our liberal vistors and Daily Kos invadors, it was fun, blend of friendly ideas, useful poitical information exchange, I never dreamed there are still bigoted, short-sighted people in America, still in my heart can not accept, any one to be rejected or judged by their religion, it just breaks by heart. No group of nicer people should be treated so harshly.
Gov. Romney, his family and all the decent honorable, kind-hearted mormons are in my prayers. (Especially Qweenmunof 7). |
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The dutifull herd hears the call to unity, by the most divisive, insulting, poisonious, and disrespectful 'anti-team' player in modern GOP history. No matter that "John Kerry would make a good President" comments during Bush's re-election, no matter thathe says his opponents are corrupt or bigoted, no matter that he destroyed a major Republican effort to take judicial nominations out of filbusters...NOPE ALL IS FORGIVEN.
Like some love hungry whore, he spins a few words of "I will respect you" and the GOP pulls up its skirt and lays down.
DID ANY OF YOU MCCAINITES NOTICE WHAT HE DID NOT PROMISE?
He did not promise to build fences or to seal the border. He did not promise NOT to give full amnesty, entitelments, and citizenship to 21 million illegals. He did not promise to correct our visa system and send people home.
He did not promise to stop his efforts at imposing one sided CAPs on US firms, businesses, and homes. He did not promise to keep from imposing more MPG and electric YUGO "green" technology on the American people.
He did not promise to develop ANWR or any other fossil fuel source in the U.S.
He did not promise that he would stop locking up federal lands to resource development or public access.
He did not promise to reform the IRS or tax system.
He did not promise to protect talk radio, or reform his crippling campaign finance reform bill.
He did not promise to pursue tort reform (which he opposes).
OH YES BUT HE MADE PROMISES ON TAXES AND JUDGES...even if they are contrary his record of dissing tax cutters and conservative jurists that "wear their conservatism on their sleeve".
I will NEVER vote for McCain and I hope he loses - in the long run it will be best for the party and for conservatism.
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I fully understand the context of McCain's statement.
I find it hilarious that you apparently don't.
If he found them to be worthy of his vote why did he not endorse, campaign for and vote for them? Why did he cross the country spending hours tirelessly encouraging people to vote for men like Rick Santorum and against people like John Kerry?
He spoke the speak of the Senate. OMG - you mean the Senator had the audacity to behave like a Senator?
Once again you show how little respect you have for conserving the traditions of this great nation. Once again I reveal how rapaciously liberal you are.
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And you're on Soro's payroll! |
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you said it would be a "mistake if Hillary or OBama were elected". Why? McCain, himself, said "she would make a very good President", in 2004, he said, "i'm a friend of John Kerry, he would make a good President", he, as yet, has not been asked about Obama, but, we can assume, given his above declarations, that he would say the same about Obama. Why all the hand wringing, then, your guy McCains not worried, why should anybody, else?
Your argument doesn't hold water, according to Cramps. Incidentally, joe joe, start getting use to that characterization, cause its coming around the corner, joe joe, subtle at first, a little article there, another one over there, a whisper there, a whisper here, then, finally, 60 minutes and the rest of the MSM get in on the act, and they will all say thats why he loses his temper, he just can't control it, anymore, and they, also, will start a whisper campaign, that says that all those years as a POW, have finally, taken there toll, and he's just not someone that we can have on the trigger, can we? Make no mistake, thats all coming, and he'll look like nothing more than an old, unstable, ex POW, that regularly, cuss's out his fellow Senators, and looks, older than 72. He'll have no answer, either, and, he won't know what hit, he'll say, "they use to be so adoring, what happened". What happened is, is The GOP got jobbed by the left, again. |
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Why the hell would I want my country paying billions of dollars to conduct phased deportations (with Romney's plan) when it would be in the green by fining them all?
As for fairness, why do we have to be fair to people waiting in line? Are they US citizens? Because people came into our country illegally, we suddenly have an obligation to the people waiting in line?
Doesnt make a whole lot of sense to me. |
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Congrats, both on the post and making McLiberalTex's list. You are in good company. |
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JUAN HERNANDEZ TELLS US YOUR HEARING IS BAD.
SECURE THE BORDER.
ENFORCE THE LAW.
NO NEW PATH.
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Incredibly vitriolic and sad thread. Bye bye rightwingers.. |
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This is one of the saddest days of the Republican party. Unlike Reagan who refused to "give in" for the sake of the Party, he fought to the end of the 1976 convention and PROVED his beliefs must be taken as the future of the party.
Today we have ersatz conservatives and chamber of commerce Republicans. After many years of poisoning conservative causes, of undermining party initiatives, entertaining changing partys, and trying to shove 21 million Mexican illegals down our cultural throats the most divisive and underhanded snake in the Party is getting the nomination - a case of feeding the hand that devours it.
Worse yet, the establishment is falling all over themselves to fawn and slobber accolades on this scum. Bill Bennet, George Allen(an airhead) , Tom Coburn all selling out for pet causes and delusional expectations.
And suddenly, the most stubborn and self righteous man in the Senate (excluding Bryd)is pretending to listen to others.
What fools, what morons, what suckers.
The party is a love starved whore, anxious to sleep with any cad who says the right words..."I love you, I need you NOW"...and as she strips, he thinks "She bought it, heh".
A lot of horse manure sold as well composted fertilizer to the starved ersatz conservative brain.
I will be voting and promoting Obama or Hillary - period. We need one of these four year disasters to keep the conservative flame alive and to keep McCain from seeking vengence on his many enemies (and yes, he is vengefull).
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Plank in the Party Platform. |
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A speech doesn't do or have any meaning. The man has a track record a mile wide with a stench you can smell for thousands. I will never trust this man and he will never get my vote. As of tuesday, I am no longer a Republican. My goal is to support conservatives...period. This man can rot in hell. If Vietnam proves anything, in fact, that is where he is at his best. When he is free, he fights to ensure everyone has none. |
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I am, again, happy, for you, Senator McCain, is the frontrunner. All he needs a conservative VP, and the rest of us will be backing him too, the judges for the supreme court are extremely important to me, I am listening very carefully, and also terrorism is crucial.
Go celebrate now, thanks for kind words and being gracious to Hugh and Gov.Romney. God Bless. |
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Why are some of you constantly putting out the false information that Hillary is not a good candidate for president. There is audio and video everywhere showing McCain stating that Hillary would make a good president.
So, don't worry, and stop these scare tactics saying Hillary should be feared. John McCain himself said she'd be a good president.
Calm down.
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It's been clear for weeks that the Republican party establishment was lining up behind McCain. Despite that, many have believed that McCain is far from being in the best interest of the party.
So now that he's near the nomination, we have the party myrmidons like McTex falling in line and towing the part line, as expected.
But many still think McCain is not in the party's best interest, that, in the long run, he will damage the party more than Hillary or Obama in office. Some of us believe the party will be better off in the long run to concentrate on regaining seats in the House and Senate, spurning McCain, then fighting the Dem. president hard in Congress, then regaining more seats in 2010, and fielding a better presidential candidate in 2012. Sort of rerun of 1992.
I know the party establishment and their myrmidons are angered by that strategic position, but we're are truly mavericks, but still loyal to the party, and I think it's incumbent upon all the myrmidons to respect the party mavericks because we'll be stronger in the long run.
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Thank God.... a veteran of this post!
What are we going to do now that we are infested? The site administrators are obviously AWOL.
For the uneducated, which apparently is most of you, my Hitler reference in no way compared McPain to Hitler. The point is that Hugh said he made a great speech, to which I reply, big deal....even Hitler could do that.
You are proving that the media and the educational system are succeeding in dumbing down America, and the Clintons et all are succeeding in teaching everyone to be "offended" on cue...
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"However, they are absolutist on others; for example, the projection of American power, which is, under all circumstances, evil."
Ohhhhh no, I couldn't disagree more. Give them power and you will see them call for us using our power to invade the Sudan, Pakistan or for good ole times, the Balkans again, lol.
You mark my words - they are only absolutist now because they are not the ones in power, which again proves they are relativists.
"The truth be told, I suspect most of the absolutists here have never read the [McCain-Feingold] act, the cases interpreting it, and if pressed, probably couldn't explain it."
I'll take it one further. They would love most of it (as Rush Limbaugh used to) because it eliminated soft money donations (the lefts greatest fundraising advantage), raised hard cash donations (something the right has historically beaten the left at) and tied hard cash donation amounts to inflation (something the right has fought for for decades)!
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to the untexan, cause that boy, don't know right from left or left from right, because according to him, CPAC would be classified as "liberalcons", not really conservative, but earlier, my question to FAN TAN, was if that's the case then why did Drudge have that heading at the top of the page, stating "McCain goes to the right", well, the untexan, aka, FAN TAN, has, for the last 6 or 7 weeks said that he and McCain were the "right" or they were the "real conservatives" and all the rest of us, and that would have to include CPAC, because their mindset about McCain was the same as ours, well, then, Drudge and all the rest must be mistaken, he need not go anywhere, he's already there, but heck, old FAN TAN, says a lot a things that are kinda' goofy, doesn't he, Magic, but, but, on top of it all, he's not hard to figure, he's just your everyday, good times, rock and roll, David Duke style, bigot. Go back and read all those "the bishop" references to describe a very decent man, Gov. Romney, they say and reveal all you need to know about that guy and this was confirmed by 2 business associates of mine, who are Mormon, when i asked them, what they thought of that moniker. Anyway, he also, claims to be from Texas, we'll so am i, and i can tell you, outside of Austin, there's 5 people in the rest of the state that thinks like he does, thats why, i think he's a wannabe. Anyway, Magic, consider the source, when he rebukes you, and then, flag this bigot, every time, he uses that bigoted reference and also, know that bigots never, ever, admit it, right FAN TAN. |
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So what about the second tax cut he voted against?”
If he knows the tax-cut package is not dependant upon his vote then your whole argument is moot because it allows a Congressmen to maintain their principled stand without hurting the President’s agenda. And clearly that was McCain’s case. The tax cuts passed and McCain was able to continue to argue the importance of spending reductions, which he has since been vindicated on!!!
”You say it was rumored as something else, but other people have said this in the past, and he doesn't deny it
He did deny it, I heard him deny it. There were 4 RNC lawyers apparently in the room. 2 said that his point was that he was worried that a future Alito would be harder to confirm than a future Roberts. Now, for the love of God, does anyone even disagree with this?
”Your answer is "Fines" which he wouldn't request enforcement on. A Fence he doesn't agree on. “
My answer is fines? Fines were in the legislation. They are not my answer. They are facts. You cannot call fines amnesty and then pretend you are not a sophist. When you get a speeding ticket and the Judge gives you a $300 fine do you say ‘thank you for the amnesty’? Yeah thought so. So why do you spread lies?
”He abridged citizens' free speech with McCain-Feingold.”
He did no such thing. Again you take the liberal position. ACLU liberals are the only ones that argue that free speech can never be limited. Conservatives, from John Adams on, have always fought for commonsense and rational limitations such as laws against libel, sedition and defamation, etc. McCain’s legislation, right or wrong, target money spent not speech spoken. And it affected what 8 people in 7 years? Get off your high horse.
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Indeed they are relativist on certain issues - particularly moral issues. However, they are absolutist on others; for example, the projection of American power, which is, under all circumstances, evil.
Perhaps we are using the wrong words here. They don't call themselves liberal. It's the "Progressive Agenda". In addition to political baggage, "liberal" tends to mean different things to different people.
What I hope to see is movement of the discussion here and elsewhere away from whom is a "troll" to perhaps a middle ground on the differences expressed here about McCain. There are absolutists who never will be satisfied - for example, I await someone to actually post something other than "talking points" about McCain-Feingold. The truth be told, I suspect most of the absolutists here have never read the act, the cases interpreting it, and if pressed, probably couldn't explain it.
That's my problem with Talk Radio Conservatism generally - it's all talking points, no substance. |
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I have closely observed McCain for 20 years and in his case familiarity does breed contempt. Having said that, I wouldn't deny that he is a patriot who loves his country dearly.
With bile in my throat, I will pull the lever for him because I will trust him more than the Dems to fight against those who want a mushroom cloud over our cities. If that were to come to pass, it will be a cold comfort for those who have achieved political purity at the cost of their country.
Many (not all )of McCains supporters have truly scraped the bottom of the dialogue barrel indulging in the vilest stew of regious bigotry, name calling, and slurs beyond belief. Have Romney and Huckabee supporters done similarly--ABSOLUTELY!!
The insults, taunting and personal attacks at some point must come to an end if this site is to be useful as a tool for conservatives. To insult, belittle, and intimidate others and expect to achieve unity comes across with having all the class and grace of a tumblebug!!!
I utterly despise our apparent nominee and yet I will give to his campaign, pass out fliers, provide rides to the polls and vote for him with a broken heart because my grandchildren deserve more than what the opposition offers.
If there are moderators who police a resonable standard of dialogue ---do your job before this site becomes a sick parody of what it could be. |
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"The truth is that Jews have played an important role in the propagation of modern liberalism"
I agree that certain Jews have contributed to modern liberalism. Their worst contribution is a kind of fatalism and self-destructive ideology. You can see that manifested today by the left-wing in Israel. |
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After reading Hugh's review of McCain's speech I knew I had to find another opinion. Go to Michelle Malkins website for a more accurate review. |
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As to Robert Novak, he's an opinion columnist. An idiot is one who goes to a US government web site, quotes an explanation of Article VI and then persists in misrepresenting Article VI. Nuff said.
By the way, I am not angry. After my last post to you I took a drink of Dr. Pepper and spewed it in the sink laughing. You have provided me with a lot of humor and I thank you for that. Even if you are a liberal hate monger plant from moveon.org
You say you are going elsewhere. You'll be back under the same name or another. We know how you people work. |
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Yes, Romney gave a great speech, I especially liked the way it ended.
I wonder how all his campaign workers feel about being kept in the dark. Had to make that big surprise announcement to get all the news coverage just one last time. I had hoped they would show the look on Laura Ingrams face. How funny was it the she gave that speech, poking at McCain, and we already knew Romney was going to drop out. Priceless
McCain also gave a wonderful speech. He addressed all the issues that conservatives wanted answers on. He said he will be surrounding himself with respected conservatives. And he did it in a manner to lighten the mood. Very well done.
But, wouldn't you know it, Delay is on FOX right now saying it is not enough. Well, surprise surprise. All of us McCain supporters knew long ago that there is no pleasing these "conservatives".
You people have hijacked Reagans cause just like a bunch of terrorists. If Reagan were alive and well today you would throw him out of the party. You continue to shame yourselves by smearing those who knew and worked with Reagan. As if that weren't bad enough you redicule his wife, Nancy, for her affection of John McCain.
Since you conservatives are so fond of following your leaders, then do as Romney did today. Think about the global implications of a democrat as president, and then do your civic duty.
Fear not Romney will be back to fight in another election, and we will all support him then. |
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Linda, I know how you feel. But know you'll be painted as a left wing troll because you called the hate mongers out. If that is what McCain stands for why would I want to be associated with it. As Henrico has lowered the conversation into the gutter, I am going elsewhere. |
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I agree with you completely. I was not trying to blame Jews for modern liberalism. I was merely commenting that I was first enlightened about what modern liberalism means from an orthodox Rabi who believed that it originated as a sort of seething revenge complex against God for allowing the horrors of the holocaust.
The truth is that Jews have played an important role in the propagation of modern liberalism, both in its funding and its articulation and since they represent such a small percentage of the population their role is all the more significant. Thus I found that Rabi's comments interesting.
Now I tend to get in trouble because I never cower from telling the truth. So before I get called an anti-Semite, I am in no way targeting Jews or blaming them. Their role may be significant but it was only one factor. And for every Jew that worked to propagate relativism there is a Jew who fights for rationalism. I would give my life for the defense of Israel, have many good Jewish friends and dated a Sabra. I can even sing a song in Hebrew, lol. I believe Jews are God's chosen people and I bless them because those who curse them will be cursed by God Himself.
It's kind of sad that I have to go to such lengths to justify what is arguably undeniable history. Yet in this pc age....
And with the way anti-Semites have used anti-Jewish propaganda in the past or even present, I am happy to justify my love for Jews.
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You have succeeded in debasing this thread to the lowest I have ever seen. I refuse to discuss anything with a troll who would pedal such a disgusting comment. You comment speaks for itself as to the type of person you are. Control your anger, don't project. I'm leaving this pig stye. I hope everyone here can see who the openly disgusting your comment is and you should be banned. Shame on you. I think we can see who the real liberal is. Conservatives don't talk like that, they have morals and values. |
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It is good to see the McCain-hate subsiding. I was starting to think elements of the GOP were becoming like those moonbats on the left who demand 100 PERCENT IDEOLOGICAL PURITY from their candidates. And we see how well their campaign to oust Lieberman went. I don't agree with everything McCain does, but he has always been small government, strong defense and pro-life, which I thought were the foundations of modern conservatism.
And if any one complains about McCain-Feingold, please explain how this has hurt you personally. |
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wrote,
"My definition of liberalism comes from a Rabi who believed that modern liberalism was the invention of Jews who blamed God for the holocaust."
That really is an unfair characterization and very shortsighted so far as history goes. Liberalism is about as old as mankind is. It has manifested itself in history in different ways at different times but your general point of it being unprincipled is accurate. Modern liberalism has it's roots in the so-called "enlightenment" writers who in rejecting Catholicism rejected God altogether and elevated a pseudo-rationality beyond what was rational -- thus the "purges" of the French Revolution. |
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So what about the second tax cut he voted against? I presume he had another Idea then too? You realize that is actually worse than just not voting for a tax cut. Because he played "My way or the Highway", as if a spending cuts would fly in any recent congress. Congress lives to spend.
What about:
-- He called Samuel Alito as too "conservative."
You say it was rumored as something else, but other people have said this in the past, and he doesn't deny it
-- He promoted amnesty for 20 million illegal immigrants.
Your answer is "Fines" which he wouldn't request enforcement on. A Fence he doesn't agree on.
-- He abridged citizens' free speech with McCain-Feingold.
Which by the way also impacts religious people. And which he then went on to defend it after parts were already declared unconstitutional.
-- Has openly bad mouthed those in the "religious right"
Yep a sure sign of respecting religion.
-- He opposes ANWR drilling and supports the global warming nuts.
Global Warming BTW would not result in limited govt.
Never once did I lie. IN fact, your defense of his Shamenesty Bills is a bigger lie than anything I said.
My last post on this topic though, because your mind is convinced, and you are interesting in discussing anything with me, only browbeating. Not unlike your paramour.
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for McTex or Colorado Conservative to show me where I said something to disparage McCain or that could be considered left wing. I've simply stood up to your hatred and I despise how you attack anyone who dare have a view not owned by you. Your group think mentality is childish. Win on ideas, not derision, intimidation and manipulation. Besides, I'm not easily intimidated. |
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And Robert Novak is an idiot too! Because he interprets Article VI just like I do. You hate mongers send out the attack dogs every time someone stand up to your group think mentality. Some of us are not so easily intimidated by lies and distortions. You all despise Rush, Ingraham, Hannity, and there was another conservative political pundit you just all jumped on the other day because he said something nice about Romney. Who are the intolerant hate mongers here? |
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Please do NOT stay home. You must vote. You do not have to vote for Hillybama or McAmnesty. There are always other parties and people on the ballot. You could write in Joe Oliva. The important votes are for House and Senate seats. Conservatives MUST win seats in the House. The House is where things get done. It was the passage of H.R. 4437, an enforcement bill, in Dec.05 that sparked the illegal alien protest marches and moved this issue to the front burner. It was the Senate that tried to jam amnesty down our throats. The D's that won seats in '06 were conservatives running on enforcement platforms. One of them, Heath Shuler D-NC, introduced the SAVE Act. Call, e-mail, or write your Congressman and urge support of this legislation. Enforcement is what Americans want, not amnesty.
Amnesty is a losing proposition.
I don't think Hillary is stupid enough to step in front of this bus.
McCain is.
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after I have scolded, cajoled and threatened:
WHATEVER!
Thankfully you "grownups" can't send me to my room, take away cable, or my computer. After all the name calling-condescension from the "elites", McCain, and McCainiac surrogates, I am sure going to run right out and become McCainiac! NOT
I will see if can find a local conservative to support.
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When I heard McCain's Hispanic Outreach guy was none other than Smiling Juan Hernandez, I knew John McCain has heard nothing we have had to say.
Smiling Juan Hernadez
We know who he is, we know his loyalties are to Mexico, we know he wants to erase our borders and immigration laws.
JOHN MCCAIN, YOU NEED A NEW HEARING AID
Smiling Juan Hernandez
In case you don't know him, he used to work for the Mexican govt., lately he has been shilling for "rights" for illegal aliens in this country. He has said he wants Mexicans to remain Mexicans even if they are living here. His loyalties are to Mexico, not U.S.
Questions for illegal alien apologists like John McCain:
Why does The National Council of the Race (la raza in spanish) and the Chamber of Commerce get to negotiate a "Comprehensive Shafting of The American Citizens" behind closed doors? Since when does an organization representing foreign nationals breaking our laws get to rewrite our immigration laws to suit the lawbreakers? Isn't this akin to allowing NAMBLA to rewrite our laws regarding child predators? Or allowing organized crime syndicates to rewrite racketeering, gambling, prostitution, and extortion laws?
We The People are being told by our representatives that we should sit down and shut up while they invite in the entire world. We The People should get some say in this matter. Another amnesty will set off a stampede like we have never seen before. There is not much time to save our country. All the money and power are on the side of shoving this amnesty down our throats. The RNC wants an amnesty candidate, don't vote for one. |
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You simply CANNOT have national security if you will not defend your own borders or enforce your own laws. Foreign nationals numbering in the thousands are entering our country at will daily. John McCain has done and will do NOTHING to stop it. Don't believe me? Ask Juan Hernandez!
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The Stupid Party
The RNC wants an amnesty candidate.
Don't vote for one.
Another amnesty will result in Democrat majorities for decades, or until they are supplanted by the La Raza Party, why doesn't the RNC know that? How stupid do you have to be to import voters for the opposition at the same time you alienate your own voters? Nominating any of the amnesty supporters is a losing proposition, we will not support them. If the GOP intends to surrender our sovereignty and abandon the rule of law, they will find in November 2008, that they still have their big money/cheap labor donors, but they do not have voters. GOP-RIP |
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Well I understand exactly what you are saying.
However, here is my problem. How does one define liberalism or progressive? How about relativist? Do they claim to be relativists? Or are they only relativist on certain issues and absolutist on others?
My definition of liberalism comes from a Rabi who believed that modern liberalism was the invention of Jews who blamed God for the holocaust. Their reaction was a worldview that denied God his rightful role in nature by denying all absolute truths. If something sounds good for a liberal at time A then they will embrace it. If the same sounds bad at time B they will reject it. They will never have core principles that can be defined and defended. That's what makes them such a deadly enemy. But they are easily detectable because they all share one common factor - they determine their beliefs and solutions based upon their temporal agreed upon feeling of any given moment.
Now when you start to see the use of emotionalism, the use of lies and the embrace of sophistry in the Rep. Party and, God forbid, amongst Conservatives, then I am left with no other option but to deduce that liberalism has invaded our ranks.
Now if it is true and the spirit of liberalism has seeped into our fort the best way to expose it and shame those now engaging in it is by forcing them to face the reality that they are, in all reality, behaving like liberals.
And it works. Some become even more liberal and their emotions take over (Coulter) while others retreat to analyze why they have just been caught doing the very thing they rationally know defines liberals.
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dishonestly wrote,
"I considered voting for McCain if I had to in order to beat any democrat but you guys have turned me off"
Yeah, so a couple of private citizens have incited you not to vote for McCain. What a dopey lie.
What I want to know is what you are doing with one hand on the keyboard and one hand in your pants.
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McTex,Colorado Conservative, Henrico and the likes of you simply sabotage anyone willing to go over and support McCain with your hateful rhetoric. Why would you sabotage McCains's success if that is what you truly believe is best for the Republican party. Would you rather hate and lose or be gracious and win others to your side. Again, I considered voting for McCain if I had to in order to beat any democrat but you guys have turned me off. I have several months to consider this but not coming to this site may be my only hope as bigots and haters turn me off. |
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Show me my left wing credential please. Where have I made comments to divide the republican base? Where have I insulted McCain? I simply hit back when attacked by the likes of you. It is you people that attacked my guy Romney.
Show me 3 posts if possible, but even 1 would be something. My posts have supported my guy or chided you when you've been caught in an inconsistent statement or when you've simply insulted and hated. I will continue to expose bigotry and hate as they are things I despise.
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The only trolls on here are you idiots who pushed the biggest lib we have ever seen as the GOP nominee.
I wish McCain would have just gone ahead and joind the Democrat party like he was thinking about doing a few years back. |
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it's clear the RNC is down on their knees praying for that, McCain has maybe a 1 in 15 shot at beating her. If it's Barry, he has maybe a 1 in 150 shot. Given that, you better pray, work, and donate, to increase and strengthen McConnell and Boehner's hand. That will be our only defense against, the sure to come, liberal Sunami.
And it will probably come from the 2 socialists, but, there is a very, very, very, slight chance, it would come from the democrat, either way, McConnell and Boehner have a huge challenge, therefore, all my money goes directly to Schaefer and Coffman.
Just heard McCain's reception from CPAC concerning immigration, they drowned him out with BOOOOOO'S. But, i guess that's all those "nativist liberalcons" there at CPAC, the conservatives, well they, really were, appaulding, right FAN TAN. Yeah, and my a..hole plays the Star Spangle Banner each morning, too. |
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Magic Kingdom knows exactly what to say to spread discord amongst us. Look at how well he uses propaganda.
Republicans and especially conservatives all believe that one of God's first commands to us is to be good stewards of the earth. McCain is no left-wing environmentalist. He constantly fights for more nuclear energy plants. He is despised by the left for his strong record on that issue.
Yet McCain has embraced good stewardship and green technologhy - which is a good thing and never a bad thing. But MK comes here to turn us against each other using deceptive rhetoric and half truths.
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Funny to see the biggest fake on here calling others liberal. Your old man McCain is the libs best friend and you know it. You just ignore it and continue to make a fool of yourself.
The ONLY chance the GOP had was to nominate a conservative. The base isn't pissed off for nothing. RINO's like you have destroyed the party as of today. We won't soon forget.
Now get ready for McCain to get pounded by the MSM as their plan keeps working to perfection. |
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For Sen. McCain, or maybe the only one, to warm up the conservatives and bring them to his side.
Please no more phrases ," grow up" ,or tone it down. I do not appreciate to be looked down on, even by a war hero, who happens to be a senator. |
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Oh, was Randi Rhodes one of the Air America talk show hosts? Her name sounded vaguely familiar. Really, why would I care? I guess your point is its good to know your opposition but I don't waste my time with the left very much. I did here a news story about the host who tripped on the sidewalk and the left repored that she had been mugged by a right winger. That rumor got cleared up pretty quick. But shows you the paranoia, like what is going on with some around here. |
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Your entire post is weak, but lets go with my favorite.
"Global Warming: The Economics of Environmentalism are a reality."
Excuse me???
Global warming is a scam, a hoax, it's bogus. It is the tool for socialists to get what they want. NOBODY with any sense buys into it. McCain is a fool and you are showing your colors also.
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Keep spewing buddy. I think at this point we are all having a laugh at your ravings. I remember a few days ago when you said "this is too easy" like your goal was to try and paint me a right wing hateful person. "This is too easy" is your own freudian admission that you are on a mission to "expose" people who disagree with your absurd postings.
I also note that you like to make subjects using your victim's name along with some hateful characterization of them to highlight your attack. What a childish thing to do. When you get out of puberty you will understand more.
ColoradoConservative WISELY observed "I definitely think k9 is actually a left-wing troll, posing as someone who derives pleasure from the suffering of others, in order to make reasonable conservatives look bad."
I agree with what he says but your ravings don't make me suffer. I still am laughing at your absurd twisting of Article VI of the Constitution. Like I said: Get a life! I might add to that, open a book and get an education. |
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I readily admit that some may not be. But here's the cold brutal fact - some are and the ones who arent make THE EXACT SAME ARGUMENT as those who are!
The exact same.
Now I will continue to use reason and truth to compete with anyone in the market place - but they are not here to compete - they are here to deceive and to "foment" discord and disunity.
The only way to battle that is by exposing them for what they are! |
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Why not set up a "kiddie table" in your post so these children can continue their inspired game of "I know you are, but what am I..," thus allowing the grown-ups a little peace.
Please...! |
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I truly believe Romney represented the best of our Party. I am slowly coming around to supporting my Senator, McCain. If he could just look me in the eyes and tell me no amnesty, I would be one of his greatest supporters this fall. |
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After reading the following, you can recognize k9 and others for what they are:
From an article by Judity Donath:
"Trolling is a game about identity deception, albeit one that is played without the consent of most of the players.
The troll attempts to pass as a legitimate participant, sharing the group's common interests and concerns; the newsgroups members, if they are cognizant of trolls and other identity deceptions, attempt to both distinguish real from trolling postings, and upon judging a poster a troll, make the offending poster leave the group. Their success at the former depends on how well they — and the troll — understand identity cues; their success at the latter depends on whether the troll's enjoyment is sufficiently diminished or outweighed by the costs imposed by the group.
Trolls can be costly in several ways. A troll can disrupt the discussion on a newsgroup, disseminate bad advice, and damage the feeling of trust in the newsgroup community. Furthermore, in a group that has become sensitized to trolling — where the rate of deception is high — many honestly naïve questions may be quickly rejected as trollings. This can be quite off-putting to the new user who upon venturing a first posting is immediately bombarded with angry accusations. Even if the accusation is unfounded, being branded a troll is quite damaging to one's online reputation." (Donath, 1999, p. 45)[1]
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I seriously doubt there are "plants" among us, but if so, whatever. Don't waste time calling them plants, beat them in the marketplace of ideas. |
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Thanks for the list. Not sure it's 100% accurate but the point is well made. You know, that's one difference in a conservative and a liberal. A liberal is far more likely to have no moral restraints. So they go on to a web site pretending to be something they aren't. Lying is not a problem to such people. Conservatives, by definition, are far more likely to have some moral restraints and playing a subversive charade is, generally, frowned on. There are bad apples in any community but I think you and I would agree that liberal = socialist, liar, disrespectful person, intellectual dwarf while convinced they only have great intellectual insights
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I don't think it disqualifies you as a conservative, but if you don't know who Randi Rhodes is it's like being a infantryman in WW II and not knowing who the Germans were. Is Air Amerika still around? That may be why you don't know. Their popularity was pretty fleeting. |
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OK, having searched my feeble memory banks, I do recall some rather long discussions about this in Advanced Political Theory in college long long long ago. I concede there is a train of thought corresponding with your argument.
However, for the purposes of this board, that is similar to using Senior Thesis Political Theory arguments in a high school freshman class. While I agree that classical liberals often use those types of attacks, calling the philosophies espoused in the posts "liberal" is not correct. I think the philosophies are conservatism at their most extreme. Except the ones that are merely unhinged.
There's lots of emotion on the board and it needs to play itself out. Give it a few days; when those with actual functioning brain cells start studying Sens. Clinton and Obama, and for example, look at Obama's proposed list of SCOTUS justices, I imagine a few of them will have second thoughts about this boycott.
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I definitely think k9 is actually a left-wing troll, posing as someone who derives pleasure from the suffering of others, in order to make reasonable conservatives look bad. |
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Henrico ~
I have made positive contributions, unlike you who simply insults everyone. Besides showing why I supported Romney (read my prior posts) I also spend a lot of time exposing hateful bigots because those types have no place here and someone needs to counter it. You on the other hand have contributed little if anything at all to the debate except to spew negative words and belittle anyoe who disagrees. I simply expose you to everyone for who you are, a HATER! |
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Show me where I made the list based on you biased observations. Although I am delighted to be in opposition to one who pedals hate, on your criteria I should not be there.
I have never said I would never support McCain. Show me where I said it.
I am not a special interest voter, on immigration or whatever. Prove where I said it.
I have simply attacked like a bulldog when I have been personally insulted by the likes of you for supporting Romney. You attack me personally you get it right back. I don't let bullies like you push me around. |
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McTex
You use the politics of personal destruction as Bill Clinton always did.
I asked you to give me examples, instead of being forthright you claims everything I said is a lie.
Whose the Democrat? |
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Sorry, that was a little harsh.....
All these children in this post are getting on my nerves... |
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There are probably many of you out there who have not lost your job (at least yet) to an illegal. Hugh and other elites in this post certainly don't have to worry. But my career as a landscaper is now nearly shot. During all that time the point man, the lead honcho, in shoving the hot amnesty poker in my eye was John McCain. This man will -never- get my vote. How can any of you think John McCain is the patriotic answer when he will not protect our own borders? One speech and you are all gushing - well you can have him. Not me. |
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LMAO just kidding - Colorado is the one that first brought this to my attention!
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Please you cant fool me. The only hope you liberals have this November is if you can start an insurrection from within our Party.
It is exactly how you took back the Congress in 2006. We know your tactics now. It is obvious that you are only here to ferment discord thus you have been outed. Take Soros money and shove it were the sun doesn't shine!
Communists never change their tactics! |
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spot on. It is obvious that some committed leftist kiddies are here to make trouble. |
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Look everything you wrote was a lie.
Republicans dont use lies in debating - the Left does.
Thus it is obvious you are a leftist plant.
You have been OUTED! |
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Why do you want to push the GOP to the left?
Now that the MSM did their job and conned the GOP into going with McCain.. you are going to see them destroy the old man. Good. McCain can take his global warming socialism and stick it.
Obama gets 45 states. How is this??
McCain gets - No conservative base, no talk radio support, no love from the lib media, a fired up Democrat base = blowout.
Real conservatives - lets work on congress. Screw these libs like McTex and the other losers who are the Democrats best friend.
We can fight a democrat president easier than a Republican who acts like a Democrat.... then we can get a real candidate in 4 years.
Yes, McCain is that bad to millions of us sane people here in America.
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King Liberal commented on this thread before your paranoid post went out. King Liberal has also posted on previous threads. So how could I counter your argument before you made it. Hateful and Paranoid. What a combination! People like you are chasing conservatives out of the party. Will there be a mass exodus like never before. Only time will tell. |
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I was very careful about who I put in that list. They had to make it clear they would not vote for the Republican candidate and/or they were a special interest voter.
If your name is not in my list it is because I read your words very carefully and deduced that you were not worthy of making that list.
I spent hours doing that yesterday and I wanted to do it with some integrity and not just act like a typical liberal and throw out baseless accusations. |
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his speech wasn't half as heartfelt and moving as Mitt's was. I might feel a lot better as I fall into line behind him as the nominee.
The good news is that there are still about eight months to go about making us believe that we are doing more than just supporting the lesser of two evils. I hope he can do that, because I can't hear myself saying that I support McCain and having it sound at all believable. It just isn't in me.
At this point, I've lost the conviction I had for a candidate from my party and am relying on the conviction I have for my party and it's candidate. There's quite a difference. |
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So to shill for someone who has almost no Conservative opinions, but is the GOP, is the only way to not be a plant?
Show me what conservative principles McCain has ever stood for?
Maybe it would be siding with the Law on illegal immigration? Nope
Maybe it would be for limited Government? Nope
Maybe it would be for lower Taxes? Nope
Maybe it would be for respecting religion? Nope
What conservative principles, has he consistantly been on board with?
Seriously.
This is a man who said Justice Alito was too conservative for goodness sake. A man who considered flipping parties to become John Kerry's running mate.
I would love to feel like I could vote for the GOP nominee, but I won't knowingly sacrifice my principles just for the dumb idea of pragmatism.
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McTex writes:
"I can tell you this - they wouldn't run to a conservative blog site and do nothing but ferment hatred amongst Republicans UNLESS they were plants from Move-On.org, which is finance by Soros need I remind you."
Discussing various ways to get Republicans back in power is "stirring up hate." What's really going on here is that you are such a linear thinker, and such a bad checkers player, that anything that involves more one move shorts out your brain circuits.
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Why is it that conservatives can never accept the obvious, despite all the aggressive remarks and endless arguments over who's MORE conservative. We are not about to enter a new conservative age; that's over, thank God. Whether or not McCain is able isn't the question. It's whether or not those driven by ideology can accept the future. I think they can do it, and they will do it. |
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I thought Hugh was the over the top Romney cheerleader, but in the end was gracious and (most importantly) doing the right thing for this country.
As for Mitt Romney, I am very impressed with him. I do not think he can beat the Democrats...right now. I suspect he will be able to in the future. I am sure we have not heard the last of him. |
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Forget the presidential race. It's over. It will be President Obama or Clinton come next January.
Focus on helping conservatives retain and/or capture House and Senate seats. They are going to need all the help they can get. Dem base will turn out in record numbers no matter who they nominate and they will get more votes for their House and Senate candidates from the people McCain is attracting. They smell blood in water.
By this time next year, McCain will be yesterday's news. He'll be about as relevant as Alf Landon. |
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Read the following from this website: http://retake-constantinople.blogspot.com/2006/01/conserva tive-websites-face-liberal.html
"Conservative Websites Face Liberal Pounding, Personal Attacks
If you run a conservative blog with a comments section, and the media does an article that mentions your blog, you can be sure they're going to to be filling it up with foulmouthed raving loonerey."
"Glenn Reynolds: I think that one reason has to do with media treatment. Charles Johnson, for example — who does have comments — has repeatedly faced media stories about his site in which comments made by his readers are directly attributed to him, as if he had written them. I certainly worry about that sort of thing, too. I think that lefty sites expect, and get, less of that kind of mistreatment."
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I can't find my name in your list. I keep going back and forth and probably will till November. People tee me off and, I swing one way, I get over it, and swing back. I think your algorithm for detecting a Lib is a little thin. Like I can tell Joe's really a conservative cause most of the time he doesn't beat people up gratuitously. He's trying to do the best for his candidate. If you're still thumping Romney, you're probably a fake. These people that trash Hugh kill me too. He said a long time ago he'd support whoever the nominee is. The central question for conservatives like me is are we prepared to deal with the frustration we'll feel when McCain goes "maverick" on us. The only power we have left is to NOT pull that lever for him in November. If we pull it, and later the Senator does something really against the grain, we have to live with the fact that we trusted him. |
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I KNEW some idiot would say I compared McCain to Hitler.
I did not compare anybody to anybody.
You have a great future in the leftist media.... |
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Briggsy you are a nice leftist but I wonder why a socialist such as yourself spends so much time on a Republican blog.
k9ranger you are a flame thrower and a mean-spirited leftist. Hope you have figured out Article VI of the Constitution by now. I have yet to see you make a post where you are not accusing someone of something. You are a bore. Get a life.
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To the person who said it was a sad day for Conservatives...
Did you even hear/read the speech?
Today was a great day for conservatives because we have a frontrunner who understands and holds to our principles.
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Column 1. Judges Republicans would like to nominate.
Column 2. Judges Patrick Leahy and Teddy Kennedy will allow out of the Judiciary Committee.
McCain is going to appoint judges similar to Roberts and Alito, Lol. And just who is going to get them out of Leahy's Judiciary Committee, where scores of Bush appointees still languish, and Leahy has no intention of allowing them out.
Better get in touch with reality and come up with a strategy to win back at least the Senate for starters. As in 1992, nothing would help that along like two years of a Dem. president and congress.
And then, no more Republican Judiciary Committee approvals for Ruth Bader Ginsburg types nominated by a Democrat president.
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Romney on the ticket, today would have been a good time to do it. I may have considered voting for McCain under these circumstances, but Romney would have to cheapen his conservative talk and reach across the aisle to work with McCain. Plus, he'd be tying himself to a sinking boat. That's a deal breaker for me.
And as for McCain's speech? Well, the path to hell is paved with good intentions. |
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I was for Fred 1st, McCain 2nd, Mitt 3d. I ultimately came to McCain 1st since i think he has the best chance to win. Mitt is an honor to our party and I'm so glad to be following him in supporting the Republican candidate in Nov. We all need to in order to stop Obalinton. |
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Did you notice King Liberals moniker? Uh, yeah, it has the word liberal in it. Therefore we all know he is a liberal trying to stir up divide us. If he was a plant from the left why would he put "liberal" in his moniker? At least we know where he comes from and he is immediatly discounted as espousing foolish liberal ideas. If you're so smart why did I have to explain that to you. Oh yeah, your a liberal mole. And if you look like you just gave up a mole it enhances your "conservative" credentials so no one suspects you of being from the left. Of course, you couldn't have come up wiht something so clever. The simple answer is you are just not very intelligent. |
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BWAAAAHAHAHAHAAAAA
Get this right... McCain is getting support only because there is no other choice. There is no excitement here, there is no passion, there is no hope, youth, change, nothing.... There is only a liberal guy who lied to a room of conservatives.... only a few suckers buy it.
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I continue to believe that certain posters on here such as "spathi" who writes "GOP SUICIDE VOTERS FOR OBAMA! GO OBAMA GO" are from the left side of the aisle. Bill Bennett, by the way, thinks the same thing.
And k9ranger is another suspect. Probably sent over by Randi rhodes. His/her/its posts are quite telling. Disregard the liberal trolls who lurck in our midst.
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You cant fool us. We know your being paid to ferment disunity through a campaign of lies and hate because you are scared.
Remember my fellow conservatives, the democrats are very scared. They have been out of power for 8 years and in that time they tried everything from stealing an election to outright sedition by their Party leaders in order to retake power.
They are the most power hungry power we have ever witnessed in American history.
And they have billion financing them. Soros will do whatever it takes. Remember Soros was a Jew who sold out fellow Jews to Nazis during WWII. He then became a communist. He is bent on destroying this country and has the money to do it.
These plants are on his payroll. It is obvious. Look at their monikers - they tend to have some kind of conservative catch word in their moniker to further fool our more gullible brothers and sisters.
Dont buy their lies. |
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standing on our principles.
This country and the conservative movement can survive 4 years of a democrat in office, and hopefully get our act together and actually nominate somebody who represents our values in 2012. If you throw your support behind mccain just because he has an R next to his name... I just cannot respect that.
I'm not opposed to compromise, and there is no perfect candidate... but there are lines in the sand and mccain is way past them. |
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This immediate turnaround from Hugh proves he is not a conservative, but a Republican.
So the Party grabs a Guy who has systematically worked against everything I say I stand for. Well if that is what the Party says, then that is what I should do.
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I responded to your political philosophy issue on that other thread but will be watching here for a response. |
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Send McCain a HUGE message and vote for Huckabee.
Huckabee has signed the NumbersUSA NO Amnesty Pledge.
McCain refuses and only says he will seal the border first (and then he will give his pathway to voting to 20 million new poor voters).
How is Mr Reach Across the Aisle going to refuse to sign a NEW Amnesty provided by the Democrats in 2009???? How will he refuse the MSM who wants the Amnesty also???
McCain, Hillary, and Obama all will sign Amnesty bills. McCain is the only fool Republican who doesn't really care about Conservatives.
If we do not stop McCain or force him to sign the NumbersUSA pledge, there will never be another Reagan Conservative in the White House in our lifetime. No Republican Congress either.
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We lost a very hopeful dear candidate. Gov. Romney did what he thought was good for the party, and that tells a lot about his character.
Today, Wall Street Journal, has several articles, all different reasons why conservatives should back Sen. McCain. The one had my best attention, names dropped for supreme court judges.
GOV. ROMNEY, THANK YOU, GOD BLSS. |
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McTex writes: "I still hate that phony Romney. Now shut up to Romney supporters and support my candidate McCain.
Wow, that is compelling rhetoric. You charmed the bark right off the tree with the schtick. |
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Paddy O' Furniture...
Now you are comapring McCain to Hitler?? Geez...
You do sound like the Daily Kos kids.
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I thank him for his grace and speech. I thought it was well done.
As for McCain's speech, it was very good. Some of you have legitimate concerns and doubts. As Reagan said: Trust but verify. I guarantee you this much, Hillary and Obama do not share your concerns.
Some of you are way over the top, I am sorry Paddy O'Furniture but a guy who spent five years in a POW camp maintaining his honor does not warrant being compared to Hitler. Just like Mitt Romney does not deserve, ever, being attacked just because he is a Mormon. It is wrong. I do not care what you have done in your life, you are not worthy to say that of McCain. If you dislike McCain's policies and past actions, fair enough. But McCain is a patriot. |
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... are making themselves known. It is so FUNNY to see those who declared they were the TRUE conservatives make these threats that they won't support McCain but will support a socialist like Clinton or Obama before they vote for McCain. Goes to show you they cannot be real conservatives.
I also can only laugh at the childish game played where we are told, by these so-called conservatives, that the media elected McCain. And everyone who supports McCain are "little sheep".
These are people, of whom the worst is Ann CULTer, who can't intellectually comprehend Hugh's reasons for switching to supporting McCain, and act like a bunch of retards who can only follow their emotions -- a liberal trait. Republicans were the party of ideas until this election cycle when the campaign turned dirty (led by Romney's tactics but taken to the hilt by the radio gasbags).
Maybe now that Romney is gone, and now that Hugh is speaking rationally again, the campaign can turn back to a discussion of ideas instead of being centered on Limbaugh's bogus conservative credentials game.
You lost Limbaugh. You lost Hannity. You lost Levin ["you idiot"]. You really lost CULTer.
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Yes I went through all the posts- they are on here to read are they not?
And I wrote down all the public names of those who were behaving like move-on.org plants.
You are one - it is obvious. There is no logical explanation for your fermenting of hate otherwise.
You have been outed! |
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Hugh, your turn around is much too soon.
And McCain is a bridge too far.
No Thanks! |
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By his own admissin he went through all the posts and noted anyone who ever said anything he disagreed with. Who has time to do that but a paid moveon.org operative. He is a leftist slime ball sent over to sow dischord. Ignore him, flag him, send the deceitful scumbag on his way. |
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This is a fools argument that
"The fall campaign against the Democrats will be waged across a much greater divide than any which separates Republicans."
McCain has waged war on Conservatives his entire political Career, you look at his Voting Record and it is a whole lot Closer to Kennedy or Specter than it is to any Republican that has a "conservative" voting record.
The idea of Party Unity is well and Good, but I have to agree with Ann Coulter, I might as well vote for Hilary or Barak if McCain is my other choice. |
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Think about it my fellow Conservatives...
If they were truly unhappy about the Republican nominee would they wish to see the Party suffer as well or would they work to bring about more conformity from within the party to their POVs?
I can tell you this - they wouldn't run to a conservative blog site and do nothing but ferment hatred amongst Republicans UNLESS they were plants from Move-On.org, which is finance by Soros need I remind you. |
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McTex, it's beginning to look like you are the KOS boy here to stir things up with your hate. I just saw your post where I am honored to be mentioned in opposition to you. You list anyone who ever made a simple statement in disagreement with your views as a liberal/moveone.org slug.
And I thought it was you who chided Romney people of being robots, sheep and unable to think for themselves. Yet when ANYONE disagrees with ANYTHING you say you paint them as leftist imposter. You are really a piece of work. Go back to the left wing hate sites as it's your type of people that are intolerant of anyone who has an idea different then you. |
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k9ranger...
Look at how fast they are here and what are they are doing? Fermenting dissent and disunity amongst Republicans.
Now ask yourself, what political party benefits from their rhetorica and actions? |
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2/7/07 is the new beginning, there is only one goal, to maintain GOP in the White House. McCain is no liberal, he is an experienced politician, he will work with all segments of the party in order to win, and all segments should work with him; and we are all adults, we will not all agree on McCain on everything, but he is better than the Demo alternatives. |
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I think conservative voters are now faced with a decision of: Who would do more harm?
1. Hillary or Obama with a Democrat Congress, but with determined Republican opposition to their initiatives, and a good opportunity for significant pick-ups as in 1992, and perhaps regain the Senate after two years of watching Hillary or Obama with a Democrat Congress.
2.McCain with a Democrat Congress, along with the usual RINOs going along with amnesty and all his moderate to liberal initiatives, with too few Republicans minus RINOS to effectively oppose. And no chance of getting judges out of the Judiciary Committee without prior approval of Leahy and Kennedy. Plus, all McCain's maverick initiatives with Dems., whatever they might be. Then, only very modest if any gains of seats in Congress.
The worst case scenario is President McCain and a Democrat Congress. I'll sit it out and work for congressional gains in 2010, and a better presidential candidate in 2012.
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>John McCain's Superb Speech
OH...that explains all the BOOOING by all the people a CPAC I heard on CSPAN radio after he was done.
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I like McCain, but I could see myself supporting Romney in a future run, based on what I saw in his excellent concession speech.
I wish Romney would have run the type of campaign that would have let me see the things that Hewitt sees in this guy.
You're Great Americans Mitt and Hugh.
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The economic plan - 25% corporate tax rate - is right out of Rudy's excellent plan... Maybe McCain is listening to a few trusted advisors... I had a feeling that Rudy might be the one guy who could kick him in the nuts...
Hopefully he'll keep listening... I'll hold out final judgement until he picks a VP... Hopefully Romney's exit has weakened Huckabee's potential slot... would have been ok with Huck as VP on any ticket OTHER than McCain...
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I know a liberal move-on.org plant when I read one.
You are actually arguing that you wanted McCain to come and pander to you?
McCain did not pander and I predicted he would not pander.
Mitt Romney, for all his success, being a great father and getting it right in his speech today, pandered and lost because of it.
McCain has too much honor and integrity to pander to the likes of King Liberal. |
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McTex litters the threads with his hateful bile smearing the conservative wing of the Republican party then tries to make all nice about how polite and courteous the conservatives are at CPAC. Of course they are polite. Conservatives know how to fight with class. They also fight fair. The underhanded backroom deal McCain made with Huckabee to win WVa propelled him to win Super Tuesday. And McTex and those like him tried to rub Romney's people in the mud. Sorry, we aren't the sheep you said we are. We aren't so easily lining up. Make some major apologies for your disgusting conduct and we'll see what the future holds. Otherwise, salute President Clinton, Mrs. President Clinton. |
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Especially after hearing the speeches today, John McCain has only one option if he wants my vote.
I will only vote for John McCain if Mitt Romney is his running mate. That way Mitt can provide the necessary push back in the event of a liberal tide. A VP also can't be fired. |
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Why do people many McCain supporters continue to gloat in Romney's decision to suspend the campaign? They continue to insult by name calling and call us Romney sheep, the Romnobots, and any other insult they can spew. Then they follow that up with a demand that we get in line and vote for McCain.
Now why would I want to join up and support anyone who is so hateful and angry? Mitt Romney has more class then McCain or many of his supporters will ever have. Some McCain people have been gracious in their success and but the haters are going to hand a loss to McCain come November if they keep it up.
Thanks for running a great race Romney. You've out classed them all. |
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I refuse to support either dick-head that is left. Huckabee or McCain. The RNC vcan fry in H-E-L-L.
I have already today convinced 15 donators of $5,000 or more to McCain and 5 donators of $5,000 or more to Huckabee to nolonger support the RNC or their candidate - McCain or Huckabee. Further, they have suspended all donations to the RNC and all GOP PACs. This is hitting the GOP campaign in their back-pockets - which is good for all of AMERICA.
How did I do that? Very simple ...
I looked-up McCain and Huckabee donators on http://www.opensecrets.org/ website and called them (looked up their phone numbers) ... told them I was an independent person concerned about McCain & Huckabee and urge them to donate instead to a charity. I told them McCain, Huckabee, and the RNC do not need a dime more in money but charities do. Four told me they were a step ahead of me ... that they disagree with the aliance that McCain and Huckabee created. They are furious at the RNC, McCain, and Huckabee. One said she was going to donate instead to Obama's campaign instead. So, we are not alone. And this does work!
Nothing illegal.. I urge more true die-hard GOP members to do the same!
It is time for the GOP revolution.
I will not support the RNC or McCain or Huckabee again. Even if it means Hillary Clinton? YES! The unwarranted bitterness towards Romney is uncalled for. He was forced out by the RNC. I am so fed-up with candidates like McCain & Huckabee who are psycho-liars. They say they'll unite the party. But only if we follow them. That is CRAP. They must EARN our respect first by obeying us voters and our mandate for years. McCain and Huckabee have lied again & again - to the point they can not be trusted, beyond any reasonable doubt. They and the RNC can fry in H-E-L-L as far as I am concerned.
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Maybe I'll vote for McCain. Maybe I won't.
But you've lost me, Hugh. I didn't like Romney just because of your cheerleading, and I can't now support McCain just because of your cheerleading.
I like cheerleading, don't get me wrong.
But there doesn't seem to be any there there.
Maybe I'll be back later. |
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notice McCain stated the old qualifier...
"I INTEND TO..."
meaning, probably won't. |
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McCain is the real thing. When he walked out on the stage - everyone was very respectful. As he went on you could hear the applause become more enthused. When he mentioned immigration you heard the boos but even they were respectful - more about letting him know that they will hold their course and McCain made it clear that he understands such passion because he shares it and respects it - which is why he appealed for the same respect.
But when he started explaining the huge differences between Obama/Hillary and himself it became evident that the light was going off - people were getting it.
There was a' point where the room turned. When the chants for John McCain' started it grew to an authentic crescendo. It was more than just the McCain supporters. It was the room!
I am so proud to have him as our candidate and I am so proud to call myself a Republican. And I look forward to working hand in hand with Rudy supporters, and Romney supporters and Huckabee supporters and Fredheads and Paul Revolutionaries to ensure that conservatives and conservatism triumphs against the defeatist socialism that is the democrat Party.
God bless our Party!
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McCain/Feingold, McCain/Kennedy, the Gang of 14, voting against both tax cuts the list goes on. These are not "Simple Differences." That was quick Hugh, Mitt's barley out the picture and already your a McCain cheerleader, I guess principles go out the window in Politics. |
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there is no reason to believe him. |
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His Campaign Support and the Many Senators made the cheers so overt, they became comical.
Even had to drown out the boos regarding Illegal Immigration.
This is exactly what Bill and Hillary do to win elections, needing to get the votes of the base, when they have run to the center for appearance.
McCain said NOTHING, but used his old Campaign list to try to convince people about his conservatism.
Ironically, at the same time he claims he will shrink GOV, he is pushing a global warming CAP TAX on gasoline.
McCain is still hiding behind his past heroism...
And his generic reference to freedom doesn't help.
This is someone who now says the BUSH TAX CUTS should be permanent, but VOTED against it when he had a chance.
The lowering of credibility to follow, with those faking a support for the unethical Keating 5 Member, who thinks Hillary would make a great President. |
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I do not accept McCain or his amnesty bill. I'm proudly voting Obama now! |
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It was a great speech. I wish that I believed him. John McCain has no credibility in my eyes. I wish that John McCain would apologize for his vicious lie and smear about Mitt Romney. Because of that lie, he will be the nominee of the Republican party. Some might say that is politics. HORSE MANURE. John McCain, like the Clintons, has a reckless disregard for the truth and will say and do anything to be President. He needs conservatives now, but when he doesn't he will sell us down the river like he always has. ACTIONS SPEAK LOUDER THAN WORDS. |
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I can only hope that people understand that this election is much more important than simple differences with John McCain. Look at what the Democrats would do if they got elected, and I can only hope that convinces people to get out there and pull for the lever for McCain. Too much is at stake this time around for people to let petty differences cloud their judgement. |
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and to suggest McCain is somehow worse a choice as President than Hillary and Obama would be is a mistake.
Some point out that we survived Jimmy Carter. Well that is true, but we were lucky. We were also not facing the possibility of al Qaeda attacking us with everything they can buy on the black markets of the world (including nuclear weapons and dirty bombs) and a host of other threats that frankly Hillary or Obama are not ready for.
Given the current make up of the Supreme Court it would be a tragedy to miss an opportunity to shift the court in the conservative direction. George Bush appointed one third of the current federal judges. Do we want Hillary/Obama appointing the next third? |
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