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He can kiss conservative support goodbye permanently |
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I agree with you. Crist is a RINO from what I have read about him. |
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I want Romney, but don't know if I want him to damage himself by aligning with McCain. |
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He is exactly what the doctor ordered.Young, dynamic and Conservative live in Florida,beleive me Crist is not the answer. |
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If McCain has a brain (still being debated) he will go Right with his VP choice. If he can assuage conservatives who want the border secure, 2nd Amendment shored up, and maybe even some SMALLER GOVERNMENT AND LESS SPENDING, he's got Lieberman to pick up the MOR Dems and steamed Hillary supporters....he's looking good against Obama's plate-spinning act.... |
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Seriously. Use your brains. No, not Bobby Jindal for VP. SAVE YOUR TRUMP CARD. Let him get some seasoning. Save him for the next election while he earns some valuable experience.
Why in the world would we waste Bobby Jindal on a McShame candidacy? We should write him and strongly suggest he say "Hell no, John". |
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How fun to watch this process. John is running a smart campaign, a clue to his abilities as our president.
I'm keeping my ears to the ground...
If Romney isn't selected, he will still support the ticket! I hope all the other leaders in the GOP rally to support the ticket, whomever is selected.
But my money is on Mitt. |
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While the biggest issue, that is constantly ignored by most, is judges, the wheelhouse issues are both the economy and the war. With Romney, McCain has both covered. Has Jindal even been at the Gov's mansion for 2 years yet? Plus, it smacks of a sort of lameness. "Oh, they have a young minority, we need a young minority." Too bad he's not looking a bit wider. Maybe he did already. There are a lot of good conservatives out there. |
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Hilary after the Dems are through dissing her!!! |
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As a conservative, I am watching this selection very carefully. I will vote for John McCain in November because he is a better choice than whatever it is that the Democrats will finally put out there, but I will not give any financial support for the campaign unless McCain chooses Mitt.
Charlie Crist is too liberal. Bobby Jindal is too inexperienced. Mitt Romney is Just Right! |
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... and overlooking the former breach between them would cause my estimation of Mack to rachet up considerably. Mitt is taller and more commanding. Mack's choosing him would show humility and a willingness to choose a strong, smart, well-spoken, increasingly conservative guy for the good of the country at the expense of Mack's ego.
It would also show admirable courage--to take on Mitt's Mormonism and defend it.
I wonder if Mack has that kind of courage and character. |
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I'd put my money on Crist precisely because it would drive the most conservatives away. Outside of a few brave souls, there is no conservatism left in the GOP "brain trust". |
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Romney couldn't win many primaries, despite outspending his opponents. He outspent Huckabee by 10 to 1 and lost to him. McCain was so broke, he had to take Federal matching funds and yet he still beat Romney.
If Romney couldn't even get REPUBLICANS to vote for him, how the heck can he expect anybody else to?
One more thing: Until McCain beat Romney, the lefties on Daily KOS were salivating at the prospect of running against a Mormon. If Romney had gotten the nomination, they had fully intended to make fun of Mormons all the way to Election Day, as a way to deflect attention from Obama's own Muslim ancestry.
So, if McCain takes Romney as his running mate, look for an endless stream of Mormon jokes and stories about the Mountain Meadows Massacre. McCain will have his hands full defending Romney instead of attacking Obama. |
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Bobby Jindal should wait for some seasoning, not to mention that he ran for Governor of his state, which is a promise to the people that voted for him that he'd stay and get the state
straightened out..if that's at all possible with Louisiana's checkered political past. But he was elected because he's conservative and the people want that. He'd do himself a disservice if he cut and ran when the people that voted for him need him. One of the main differences between Conservatives and RINO's is TRUST.
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right? I see Rogue, JimP, paddyO all see no value to a CRIST nomination. Nor do I. It would not be helpful. And steveegg seems to agree but would not put it past McCain. Some gossip was that there was this deal McCain made before the Florida primary in exchange for Crist's endorsement. I HATE BACKROOM DEALS! McCain may have bargained away conservatives. If Crist is chosen, we will know why and it will garner zero respect for the man, neither Crist, nor McCain. |
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Romney wan quite a few primaries and caucuses. When he pulled out, he had 4 million popular vote to McCain's 4.7 million. He won the hearts of many at the CPAC. He is no loser. He is gracious and a team player.
What does his religion have to do with anything? Maybe he is more moral because of it. That is a good thing. |
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McCain needs a conservative on the ticket. |
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Nobody needs a pervert like Jim Webb on their ticket. Nevertheless, I put him on my new Obama Veep poll. Go here to vote on who you think would make the most dangerous (for the GOP) running mate for Obama:
http://romneyveepwatch.blogspot.com/
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SteveL is on the mark on this one. If Mitt couldn't buy the nomination, how in the world is he going to help McCain. I know I'll get blasted by Romney supporters, but facts are always stubborn things. Romney did not appeal to enough people to make him a viable candidate, even though he outspent everyone else combined.
Then there's the Mormon thing, whether you like it or not! It doesn't matter the slightest to me, but it does to a lot of others, plus it will definitely be a target for the left wing loonies! Think FLDS! I know there is no connection, but since when did that ever matter to the MSM?
For the record, also no to Crist and Jindal. Crist is a no go for the same reasons stated above, not conservative enough. As to Jindal, he needs to fulfill his promise to Louisiana before entering the national scene. Then he can tout his executive experience, something oblama can't do!
I think McCain needs to select a genuine, no holds barred, conservative, preferably not someone that campaigned for the nomination. I like Michael Steele or Sarah Palin. If he must select someone that had their hat in the ring, then make it Duncan or Tancredo, Huckabee as a last resort.
Just my opinion folks, so don't get your panties in a wad. Just wade in with your own thoughts and let's have a rational discussion.
Just be honest about Mitt. Doesn't mater how much of a conservative you think he is, his record doesn't support it.
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but McCain's not trying to make people like him anyway, right?
And Bill Clinton would kill the Stupid Party. Again. |
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Let me try to answer that question you raised whether McCain has the courage and character to pick Mitt, a person more qualified than himself for the office.
UUUMMMM, NOPE. |
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Boy, I hope there are better options than those 3. Especially w/ McCain being so old.
Mitt would bring money, business smarts, and the Mormon vote. But he is a total phony. When people were polled, McCain's positive rating when down when Mitt was on the ticket with him. Translation: most of the folks who like Mitt will already vote for McCain.
Crist is too slick by half. He is also not the natural politician Jeb Bush is. Plus the gay rumors which have swilled aaround him forever will go back through the roof if he is the VP pick. (One of his former staffers, a man, swore to a newspaper reporter that he had an affair with Crist). So he might help McCain win Florida, but he would hurt him in the heartland...
Jindal is the best option of the 3, but he is young and needs more experience. Hillary would chew him up and spit him out in debates.
Honestly, Liberman would be a better choice than the 3 of them. He would actually help Mac win more votes. But he is too liberal for the social and eco cons.
Too bad Arnold can't run. |
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FL is in the bag for McCain against Obama. No need for Crist. As a huge mcCain supporter I spent days thanking the GOV from FL for is endorsment of McCain which helped greatly. However it should be Pawlenty. |
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great pick, when Mitt is running for President in 12. Jindal has a democrate as lt.gov. then, La is right back to where they started from. So, as much as I like Jindal, I think he's out.
Crist. Nice guy, but single. Lives in Fla. Pictures paint words, even if not true. 'sides, he's hardly a conservative.
Romney. Out doing the work neither of the other two have been doing.
But, the REALLY good news is no huck. So, I could vote for any, even with holding noses for crist. |
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This is what a liberal governor's response to a state supreme court's ruling on gay marriage looks like:
http://www.upi.com/NewsTrack/Top_News/2008/05/17/schwarzene gger_backs_same-sex_ruling/8366/
This is not:
http://www.cnn.com/2004/LAW/02/04/gay.marriage/
(despite all the energy expended by idiotic, anti-Mitt neo-con's to make you believe otherwise.) The ignorance of American voters never ceases to amaze me.
Mitt will be an awesome VP...and will ultimately be one of the best conservative presidents this country has ever seen. Watch and yearn. |
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Lindsay has been auditioning for the VP spot with McCain since he got to the Senate. He won't take anyone who won't sign on to amnesty, so forget Hunter and Tancredo.
Jim Webb at least used to be a Republican, not the VP candidate for the Dems, like Joe.
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In the Navy under Jim Webb. No way do I want that woman hater within 10 feet of the president. |
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H-m-m-m. Crist. We need Jindal for later so we can't waste him before he even gets started. Mitt had his chance and didn't find his voice until he made his concession speech. Crist is perfect. He's just like McCain. Take them both out at once. |
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Huck got Evangelicals excited long enough to deny Romney a victory. His act has worn thin. I think even Evangelicals have gotten tired of it.
The public just needed a little more time to get used to Romney. Now that they've had a chance to reflect, I think they will come around to Mitt.
If McCain wants to run the Executive Branch military style, Mitt would be an excellent XO. McCain can concentrate on the larger picture, set priorities and let Mitt do the number crunching and administrative work.
I just hope following McCain's line will not hurt Mitt with conservatives in 2012 or 2016 |
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Mitt will strengthen Obama's slogan that McCain is 'more of Bush' because Mitt is soooooo status quo. Mitt will also neutralize McCain's argument that foreign policy and military experience matter because....Mitt lacks both, as does Obama and this is McCain's strongest suit in competing with Obama. Mitt will also neutralize the issue of Obama's religion because LDS and Black Liberation Theology are race-obsessed and just simply NUTS! (spare me your bigot comments, reality bites). Jindal is inexperienced and southerners and other people who were voting for McCain because of his experience will now decide not to do so. If McCain picks either of these two - say hello to President Obama. Why? Obama's core group will stay faithful, McCain has already lost the McCain hater vote (15%), now he will lose the vote of people who won't vote for a mormon and confused candidate like Mitt (his record and religion are not authentic) and he will derail McCain's campaign. But then again, if Mitt assures a McCain loss, he can come back in 2012 and run again. Maybe Mitt and Hillary are on the same page...... |
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But oh well, as long as it's not Crist, one out of two aint bad. I like Jindal because Jindal out-Obamas Obama. Sure he's a minority, and eloquent, smart as a whip, telegenic and all that--but he has more experience than Obama. He also takes the silly Katrina argument away from the dems, having done more to rebuild the area than all the dems put together. But I agree with most that Jindal needs more under his belt--he'll definitely be president some day.
Just not Crist. You don't want Global Warming and Global Warming Jr on the same ticket. |
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Mccain is a loser. Why marry yourself to a loser? |
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translation - Obama and Mitt should not go anywhere near the executive branch. This is a no brainer - except for people who are incapable of understanding the role religion plays in our politics and american life. Mitt and Obama have a religion problem - and McCain will be a fool to take a VP like Mitt with all his baggage. After all, with Obama McCain will win but his VP choice might just give Obama the presidency. If McCain picks Mitt, he loses my vote and many more that I know about. Couple that with the McCAin hater's votes and bam! President Obama....Oh dear God NO! |
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YOUR the one with the religion problem. Get over it. We have FREEDOM OF RELIGION here in the US. So, buck up, and get over what ever problem YOU have with religions different from yours.
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Just take some asprin. It will all be better in the morning.
Not a huck in sight. There is a god. |
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How the heck would you know? You and reality parted ways a long time ago....if you ever hard a relationship with reality. I recommend a mental health professional....ASAP. |
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The worst, by far, would be Crist as VP. Find him an ambassadorship or cabinet post, but not VP.
Romney would be good if he is presented as the economic part of the team and not just Mitt Romney. I think he would be better at Treasury. But politically he does not bring a lot of pull for McCain (although more than Crist).
Jindal would be a really good choice in many ways, but he is still green and it might look like racial pandering. He just got elected to Louisiana. Still, I would choose Jindal because he is a really good conservative candidate not because he is an Indian-American.
But I have a feeling this group may not be the finalists, they may be in on the decision advice. Stay tuned. |
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The cold hard facts are it's slim pickens out there for conservatives,and Jindal is the only one with curb appeal. I know he doesn't have experience but he has great upside and we are talking VP.If he is the projected hope of the GOP then there is no time like the present to get his feet wet. |
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Are these the best choices the Republican Party has to offer – yikes? Romney is not going to help McCain, he didn’t win any important states during the primaries other than Michigan—-Huck had better results in key general election states. Crist doesn’t strike the right balance in combination with McCain, and he and McCain will be tagged as the two white-hair geezer ticket—-despite Crist’s youth; he and McCain look like peers. Jindal is a rising star, but he’s not ready for prime time. I understand that Pawlenty was invited as well, and he had a previous commitment and couldn’t attend. I’ve heard good press about him, and I hope the press is accurate. From my vantage point, he is okay during interviews and resembles the Disney character Dumbo.
The question I have, why aren’t Meg Whitman, Carly Fiorina, and Michael Steele in the mix? I wish Condi could be considered, but I understand she might be too much of a liability with her close ties to Bush. Against all reason, I’m hoping McCain will surprise us with someone more dynamic and interesting than this sad line-up.
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We don't want him to get his feet wet as he goes down with the GOP Titanic. |
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Where's Mark Sanford or Tim Pawlenty ? |
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You may be right but I believe in making lemonade from lemons.If Jindal ran for pres in 2012 they would still say he's too young and experienced. This way he will have more experience than anyone out there.This is a time for bold moves. |
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Of the three, I gotta say, Mitt would shoot to the top in a traditional job interview. He is very intelligent, two Harvard degrees with honors, successful careers in business, government and the voluntee sector, can fix what is broken, can cut wasteful spending, can understand and tackle complex problems, and unafraid of challenges. He has a beautiful and good family who are without blemish or embarrassment. He is well spoken and would be an excellent role model for clean living, and strong families. He doesn't need the job or the money but willing to give of his skills and talents to change the country for the better without enumeration. I cannot say all this about the other two. Heck, this cannot be said of most Republicans. His few negatives, pale in comparison to his positives. He IS a president. We might as well take advantage of him. It would be a shame to settle for less. |
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Totally agree. I do like Jindal, but I think he's got the LA problems to deal with. And with a democrate Lt. gov, it's a tough sacrifice, especially after working so hard to take the gov house away from the democrates.
Crist has other problems. I know being single should not preclude him, but it is a big negative. He also has to work at keeping the state GOP. It's getting harder down there in Fla with all the mirgration going south.
I know some will say they will never vote for a mormon. And that's just fine. But people do weird stuff in the privacy of the polling booth. Talk is cheap. Actions speak loud and clear. |
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...and just stopped by this thread to see if the anti-Mormon loonies were still baying at the moon. Didn't need to worry; there's all still here, at Huck's command. |
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...and just stopped by this thread to see if the anti-Mormon loonies were still baying at the moon. Didn't need to worry; there's all still here, at Huck's command. |
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But What Don says has some merit
"Then there's the Mormon thing, whether you like it or not! It doesn't matter the slightest to me, but it does to a lot of others, plus it will definitely be a target for the left wing loonies! Think FLDS! I know there is no connection, but since when did that ever matter to the MSM?"
People can be realy narrow minded. On the up side it could backfire and people will unit for freedom of relegon and seperation of church and state. |
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People say Mitt dose not bring States to the table. It is true he dose not bring alot to states like Ohio but there is Michigan, Minnesota area and Maybe more importaint the Moutain states like Colorado and Nevada that if you look Obama has a good chance to to take if you are looking at current polls. (Realclearpolitics.com)There are analist say Obama could when because of these states. If Hillary some how polls it out you whould need a southern polition like Huck to keep the swing sothern states. But if that happened McCain would lose my vote. In short just look at the swing states where Obama is strong and look at the States Mitt won and They are veary simalar and Mitt would do a lot for McCain in those areas. |
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...to be considering Moe, Larry and Curley for the Veep slot.
Let's start with Mitt. A no brainer. He takes him, Evangelicals, who are already mad at the ticket, will abandon him in droves. Good-bye Virginia and Missouri. Maybe the Carolinas.
Crist- there are already those rumors about the guy's personal life, I promise you we'll find out more once he's the nominee. Not sure what he brings to the table.
Jindal- Well, I guess we are scraping the bottom of the barrel. I guess a Republican who can actually win somewhere is impressive, about now, but come on, the guy's been in office only a few months.
That said, I think McCain is just fanning the speculation and trying to get some attention back on his campaign. I don't think he's serious about any of these guys. |
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I'm all for Mitt
But What Don says has some merit
"Then there's the Mormon thing, whether you like it or not! It doesn't matter the slightest to me, but it does to a lot of others, plus it will definitely be a target for the left wing loonies! Think FLDS! I know there is no connection, but since when did that ever matter to the MSM?"
People can be realy narrow minded. On the up side it could backfire and people will unit for freedom of relegon[sic] and seperation[sic] of church and state."
It isn't a question of being "narrow-minded". It's a problem that Mormonism is a cult, not a real religion, with so many goofy tenets that it would be laughable if more people knew about them.
Imagine if McCain decided to take Tom Cruise as a running mate. Of course, we'd hear a lot about Evil Space Lord Xenu and auditing and all the other nuttiness of Scientology. We'd hear about how L. Ron Hubbard kept a boatload of teenage girls to attend to his every need.
Similarly, if Romney were on the ticket, we'd hear about Nehites and Lamanites and testimonies and how Joseph Smith kept a harem of teenage girls.
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1) This meeting does not mean McCain is down to his final three choices and they are Romney, Crist and Jindal.
2) Jindal does not want the job. He is the best possible choice for keynote speaker at the Convention.
3) McCain will win Florida; Crist would be a good pick, but will not help much with the electoral college.
4) Romney will not help in Massconfusion (where he will lose) or Utah (where he will win); but could help make Michigan competitive and lock up Nevada and Colorado which will be close this year.
Of those three choices Romney is the best. However, Pawlenty, Sanford, Daniels are all still very much in contention.
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McCain is just pulling the base together.
Jindal can help McCain carry LA, MS, AR, etc. He makes a great presentation of conservative principles. He is also implementing in LA.
After Obama's gaffs on Cuba, McCain can use Crist to absolutely bury Obama in FL. That will also help in other states with larger Hispanic vote.
Romney is there for the money. Plus, he will help to get his supporters to vote for McCain. |
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I suppose we all need to think of the worst choice that could be made for the GOP and conservatives.
That's the guy McShame will pick. |
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the presidency for McCain. |
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McCain doesn't need Crist. Thanks for Florida buddy, now go away. Sort of like Huckabee.
Jindal brings youth, conservative creds and he's a minority, so urbanites can assuage their conscience that they're not a racist by voting Democrat OR Republican. Honestly, that's sort of a big deal. White guilt is a part of Obama's appeal to the urban fence-sitter.
Jindal's problem is that he hasn't done anything. Nor has he been vetted. Any little thing he did in the past could be a liabilty to McCain, no matter how innocuous or innocent. Remember, dozens of news networks have hours and hours to fill and they will comb Jindal's past for ANYTHING. There probably isn't much there, but finding out there is in the general could be a killer.
Which leaves Mitt. I love it how people here say Mitt couldn't close the deal in the primary. Wrong. He got almost the same number of votes as McCain did, despite starting with MUCH less name recognition, and battling Huckabee for the social conservatives. He did extremely well for where he started. Extremely.
Plus you think about the areas where McCain is weak. Economy. Fund raising. Age/Vigor. Social Conservatives. Economic Conservatives. Campaign organization. Executive experience.
Now think about the areas where Mitt is strong.
Yeah - those are exactly the areas.
Lastly, I think the whole issue with Obama's church has made Mitt LESS of a liability. Any media person who wants to start slamming Mitt for something Brigham Young said in passing 160 years ago seems pretty trivial compared to the rantings of Jeremiah Wright in front of the national press club 3 weeks ago.... |
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First, you don't bring a group in for serious interviews, and McCain has said this is not a VP tryout gathering. If anything, this would be a meeting to tell these guys there off the list, you just don't bring in a group to say you've advanced in consideration.
Anyway, of the three, Crist probably makes the most sense politically. Jindal seems great, but needs to get a little more seasoning, maybe a decade, or more. Romney brings some positives, but just hurts the ticket too much in Appalachia and the midwest. If McCain hopes to win, he has got to carry those areas. Don't know as much as I would like about Crist, but certainly helping lock up a key swing state is a big asset.
Still, I imagine the short list probably still numbers in the teens to twenties and people are still being fully vetted. Ultimately, McCain will probably pick a governor, or former governor, from a southern, or midwest, state with strong social conservative credentials. Would probably be best if he/she has good fiscal conservative credentials, but McCain's hawkish positions on spending and the state of the GOP brand probably make this less important. Actually, given the current state of the GOP, an anti-GOP establishment ticket is probably McCain's best choice.
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Dreaming again?
Yes, this is Veepstakes. Sorry, but it is. |
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Crist is my choice. I want to sit back and enjoy the hand-wringing of all the freaks on the right.
They can hardly stand McCain anyway. Imagine how they'll scream and hollar if a gay man is the VP!
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Normally, I don't bother responding to people who spend their time spewing hate and flaming people in forums, but will make an exception here.
Not dreaming, just trying to provide rationale analysis, which would be a nice change for these comment forums.
Although, if it is the veepstakes, would probably be a bad sign for your guy, as it would more than likely mean he's been eliminated from consideration. Still, if McCain picks Romney, it probably bodes well for Huck, because that's about the surest way for McCain to lose the general and open the door for Huckabee in 2012. :)
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"Which leaves Mitt. I love it how people here say Mitt couldn't close the deal in the primary. Wrong. He got almost the same number of votes as McCain did, despite starting with MUCH less name recognition, and battling Huckabee for the social conservatives. He did extremely well for where he started. Extremely."
Not really. First, he didn't get nearly as many votes as McCain did. Second, he spent close to 100 million in the effort.
"Plus you think about the areas where McCain is weak. Economy. Fund raising. Age/Vigor. Social Conservatives. Economic Conservatives. Campaign organization. Executive experience.
Now think about the areas where Mitt is strong.
Yeah - those are exactly the areas."
The problem is that Evangelicals won't vote for him. Also, I can see the commercial where they dig up ex-AmPad Employees to let us all know how he took away their jobs and their "hope".
"Lastly, I think the whole issue with Obama's church has made Mitt LESS of a liability. Any media person who wants to start slamming Mitt for something Brigham Young said in passing 160 years ago seems pretty trivial compared to the rantings of Jeremiah Wright in front of the national press club 3 weeks ago...."
Please don't minimize how nutty Mormonism is to the straights, or how much attention that nuttiness will get if Mitt's on the ticket. If anything, having gone after Obama and Wright's relationship has made it more fair game. |
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Dr_B writes: Thursday, May, 22, 2008 11:01 AM
Mitt or Jindal
McCain doesn't need Crist. Thanks for Florida buddy, now go away. Sort of like Huckabee.
Jindal brings youth, conservative creds and he's a minority, so urbanites can assuage their conscience that they're not a racist by voting Democrat OR Republican. Honestly, that's sort of a big deal. White guilt is a part of Obama's appeal to the urban fence-sitter.
Jindal's problem is that he hasn't done anything. Nor has he been vetted. Any little thing he did in the past could be a liabilty to McCain, no matter how innocuous or innocent. Remember, dozens of news networks have hours and hours to fill and they will comb Jindal's past for ANYTHING. There probably isn't much there, but finding out there is in the general could be a killer.
Which leaves Mitt. I love it how people here say Mitt couldn't close the deal in the primary. Wrong. He got almost the same number of votes as McCain did, despite starting with MUCH less name recognition, and battling Huckabee for the social conservatives. He did extremely well for where he started. Extremely.
Plus you think about the areas where McCain is weak. Economy. Fund raising. Age/Vigor. Social Conservatives. Economic Conservatives. Campaign organization. Executive experience.
Now think about the areas where Mitt is strong.
Yeah - those are exactly the areas.
Lastly, I think the whole issue with Obama's church has made Mitt LESS of a liability. Any media person who wants to start slamming Mitt for something Brigham Young said in passing 160 years ago seems pretty trivial compared to the rantings of Jeremiah Wright in front of the national press club 3 weeks ago....
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Excellent post and analysis. I agree with you 100% -- Romney is the BEST CHOICE BY FAR! |
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I thought the same thing! I would love to see Huck impolde on Crist! |
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NO to Crist. His popularity is wanning in Florida and he's too keen on global warming. Gov. Jindal is just too young and inexperienced. Lindsay Graham - need I say more than gang of 14. Gov. Huckabee has too many negatives in the mountain west. With Gov. Huckabee on the ticket I think Colorado, Nevada will go Obama. Gov. Romney has "Mormon" issues. Like it or not his religion will be a factor. Gov. Romney would most likely assure wins in Colorado and Nevada (large Mormon populations) as well as be a help in Michigan & Wisconsin. The right choice may need to be someone a little less known like Rep. Portman. He may help in Ohio and his bona fides on economic issues are outstanding. |
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Those that think Jindal hasn't done anything and is too inexperienced don't know what you are talking about. Educate yourselves!
"During his tenure as secretary (secretary of the Louisiana Department of Health and Hospitals), Louisiana's Medicaid program went from bankruptcy with a $400 million deficit into three years of surpluses totaling $220 million."
From Wikipedia -
Do a little research. Romney's time is past. Accept it and embrace the future. |
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"The polls have closed, the votes have been tallied, and it’s a landslide: CQ Politics readers think Arizona Sen. John McCain should pick former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee as his vice-presidential running mate.
Huckabee was the winner of CQ Politics’ inaugural “VP Madness,” a college basketball-style tournament that whittled a field of 32 potential McCain running mates that were selected by CQ Politics editors and reporters. Visitors to CQ Politics could vote once in each of five single-elimination rounds spread out over three weeks. The voting ended Wednesday at noon.
Huckabee, who was a McCain rival for the presidency before endorsing him in early March, crushed Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin in the final round, 72 percent to 27 percent. Some blogs even promoted the selection of Huckabee and Palin.
Huckabee has signaled his willingness to share a ballot with McCain: “There’s no one I would rather be on a ticket with than John McCain ,” Huckabee said on NBC’s Meet the Press program last Sunday.
Huckabee’s backers have touted his executive experience — he served more than a decade (1996-2007) as governor of Arkansas. He’s articulate and likeable, and he campaigned respectfully against McCain and eschewed scorched-earth tactics. McCain has made it clear that he’s looking for a much younger ticket-mate, and Huckabee will turn 53 a few days before McCain turns 72. Huckabee’s social-issue conservatism could help McCain assuage some activists on the political right hold about the independent-minded Arizonan."
Read entire article here:
http://www.cqpolitics.com/wmspage.cfm?docID=news-0000028822 34
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internet polls and actual voters are two differnt things. Period. Huckie is in Arkansa having his squirrel for the long weekend, and the serious contenders are eating catered ribs in Arizona. |
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There would be hope.
It's true his religion would be the folly of every liberal, but I doubt Mitt would have anything to hide or be ashamed of--like having a pastor like Wright.
Perhaps the liberals would be silenced about Mitt's religion after all, because we can easily produce Wright anytime, and apparently, he loves to talk.
Do you think Huckabee is lurking in McCain's bushes in the backyard watching them all BBQ in Sedona? Maybe if he brings some coleslaw, he might be invited in. |
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The grouping seems a little suspicious. I don't think that anyone really believes that Jindal or Crist are serious contendors, so why would he put Romney in there with them?
Strikes me as a "consolation" consideration, talking to them to make them look like they were considered, but not really.
But I'll let you Huck haters get on with your crowing... |
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Not beliving your ex is really getting married again, and you think the 'wedding' is just a show, and your the real bride/groom?
ya.
FYI, the folks over a the huck blog are going crazy trying to make silk out of a sows ear. |
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Don't know about any wedding that has three brides. Well, you probably do, QM7, you people are into that... or you used to be, anyway.
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I understand your concerns over Mitt's religion. Some aspects of Mormon theology come off as downright nutty.
Sort of like all the languages of the earth coming from a group of people who built a tower a few thousand years ago, or all species of the earth fitting into a boat about the size of a football field.
My friend, we Republicans need to to ENLARGE the tent, not shrink it. That's part of the reason I like Jindal - he sends a clear message to asian americans that they're more than welcome in the GOP. It's part of the reason I LIKE Mitt. It's a clear message to Mormons everywhere that they're also welcome in the tent.
The irony of it, is that both of those groups are abnormally wealthy, well educated and growing. Not bad demographics to grab hold of eh?
Locking down the mountain west, Michigan, possibly California and Wisconsin is not a bad haul in a running mate.
Especially one who will take a buzzsaw to the waste and redundancy of the D.C. bureacracy. |
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I guess I would. When you find the sister wifes that should be around here, would you let me know where they are hiding? There's a bunch of work around here to do.
Oh, and Texas was just ordered by appeals court to send the FLDS (not affiliated with the LDS) kids HOME. I wonder if the baptist church busess will now repeat the process in reverse? |
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Who cares what religion Romney is??!! If it helps him become a better person, then that's all that counts. Everything I have heard about him is that he is a great person. Compassionate, Did you hear about how he shut down his company th help save his co-worker's daughter? WOW. I want that kind of person for my president. Can't wait for 2012 |
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McCain and his guests are just eating barbeque and making press. No announcement will be made on the VP for a while - the suspense must be maintained. Huckabee is in the lead for the slot because he polls better than anyone else and can actually help McCain win the swing states. No need for a press flurry yet - it's just a barbeque. |
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THANK GOD HUCKABEE IS NOT ON THIS LIST. SEVERAL OF MY 60 PLUS FRIENDS AND I WILL NOT GIVE $$$ TO MCCAIN UNLESS MITT IS THE VP! CRIST WILL BE MCCAIN'S AMNESTY BUDDY, AND JINDAHL IS ANOTHER OBAMA WHO NEEDS MORE EXPERIENCE.
MITT IS TRULY THE MAN TO SELECT AS HE WILL BE A STRONG TEAM PLAYER, AND WE NEED HIS ECONOMY EXPERIENCE AND HIS PROFESSIONAL DEMEANOR TO RUN OUR COUNTRY AT THIS VERY CRUCIAL TIME. IN 2012 HE WILL BE THE PRESIDENT. I HOPE I AM ALIVE TO WITNESS IT. |
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dreaming again. Reality check, aisle one! Internet polls are not true reflections of the masses. Period. Huckie not invited because... well he majored in miricles, not math. |
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According to the Associated Press (May 22) Huckabee was invited but will instead be traveling and celebrating his 34th wedding anniversary with his wife.
Anderson Cooper on CNN also reported this.
Others conveniently leave it out of the story. |
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Bobby Jindal is not a conservative; he's only socially conservative. He is a big government Republican. He wanted the Federal government to get sell wind insurance with flood insurance. He just passes up a chance here in LA to phase out the income tax over 10 years. The only reason he favored some reduction is because some Republican legislators forced his hand, knowing he wanted to have it on his record. There's not a regulation he won't like...just like any typical policy wonk. So...please...no more "next Ronald Reagan" comments like Rush. |
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so he was invited. I guess he can't be in the same room as mitt,eh? |
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"JoeB131
I understand your concerns over Mitt's religion. Some aspects of Mormon theology come off as downright nutty.
Sort of like all the languages of the earth coming from a group of people who built a tower a few thousand years ago, or all species of the earth fitting into a boat about the size of a football field."
And if a candidate told me that they literally believed these MYTHS, yup, I'd pretty much stop taking them seriously, too.
However, we can understand that these myths were the result of thousands of years of oral tradition and racial memories of past events. (We know there were great towers in Mesopotamia called Ziggurats, and we know that there was a sudden, catostrophic flood in the Black Sea region at the end of the last ice age.) The BOM gets no such pass, Joseph Smith knew it was a con when he wrote it.
"My friend, we Republicans need to to ENLARGE the tent, not shrink it. That's part of the reason I like Jindal - he sends a clear message to asian americans that they're more than welcome in the GOP. It's part of the reason I LIKE Mitt. It's a clear message to Mormons everywhere that they're also welcome in the tent.
The irony of it, is that both of those groups are abnormally wealthy, well educated and growing. Not bad demographics to grab hold of eh?
Locking down the mountain west, Michigan, possibly California and Wisconsin is not a bad haul in a running mate."
The Mountain West is really not in any danger, and honestly, picking Mitt would alienate the south.
"Especially one who will take a buzzsaw to the waste and redundancy of the D.C. bureacracy."
You mean like he did to AmPad?
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"Yea, joeb,
I guess I would. When you find the sister wifes that should be around here, would you let me know where they are hiding? There's a bunch of work around here to do.
Oh, and Texas was just ordered by appeals court to send the FLDS (not affiliated with the LDS) kids HOME. I wonder if the baptist church busess will now repeat the process in reverse?"
Well,that's unfortunate that these Mormon perverts (the FLDS is probably closer to the original lunacy of Joseph Smith and Brigham Young than the current LDS) are going to be allowed to go back to raping teenage girls, but then again, they have to pork as many wives as they can to rule over their own planets in the afterlife.
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Exposes him (it?) self as a hate filled liberal troll.
"The irony of it, is that both of those groups are abnormally wealthy, well educated and growing. Not bad demographics to grab hold of eh?"
Their wealth and education couldn't have had anything to do with their work ethic. S/off |
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That isn't my quote, stupid. That's Dr-B, who is pro-Mormon cultists.
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Nooo, that would not be it, now would it? |
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Perhaps if you knew the proper way to quote someone it wouldn't have looked like your words, stupid.
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Actually, I did, but I guess the real problem is that you aren't man enough to admit you were wrong... |
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Actually, you didn't, but I guess the real problem is that you aren't man enough to admit you were wrong... |
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Jarrod writes: Friday, May, 23, 2008 1:02 AM
Huckabee was invited
According to the Associated Press (May 22) Huckabee was invited but will instead be traveling and celebrating his 34th wedding anniversary with his wife.
Anderson Cooper on CNN also reported this.
Others conveniently leave it out of the story.
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When has the opportunist media whore Huckabeen EVER MISSED A CHANCE TO BE IN THE SPOTLIGHT???!!! He may have "been invited" to the BBQ, but with his outrageous and sick "joke" at the NRA, his political aspirations are over. Huckabeen, in his limited reasoning ability, at least knows he's shot his political career goodbye. Thus he is conveniently busy this weekend to save face. Good riddance Huckabeen. |
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The only place I've seen a lot of "outrage" about Huck's NRA comments are on this board. I don't think anyone else really cares, not even the Democrats.
Huck will get the invite if McCain's polling numbers show him doing so poorly in the South he needs to shore up his base. Right now, the polls don't seem to show that (He leads in VA, Fl, NC, and MO. See RealClearPolitics for details.)
Now, please note, that's an analysis based on facts, not anger that Huck dissed your cult once.
The only reasons for taking Mitt would be if he boosts McCain in a place McCain would probably lose otherwise. I don't think that place exists. Michigan? Unlikely. McCain's been popular there all along, but probably not enough to overcome the Dems' natural advantage there. |
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Huck is a member of a cult.
cult –noun
1. a particular system of religious worship, esp. with reference to its rites and ceremonies.
2. an instance of great veneration of a person, ideal, or thing, esp. as manifested by a body of admirers: the physical fitness cult.
3. the object of such devotion.
4. a group or sect bound together by veneration of the same thing, person, ideal, etc.
5. Sociology. a group having a sacred ideology and a set of rites centering around their sacred symbols. |
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Do your really think you are being clever repeating the dictionary definition...
Here's my definition of a cult
1) Unquestioning blind adherence to cult doctrine
2) Unquestioning, blind obeideince to cult leaders
3) Stating that any questioning of the doctrine or beliefs is "persecution". |
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I speak English, not joe-ese! |
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Bill, please keep drinking the Kool-Aid.
You prove why Utah is the "scam capital of the US" |
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Right, and you keep drinking that Kool-Aid your drinking. |
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or not informed about something you are merely ignorant (to ignore, be unaware of the fact). When you are informed of the facts and still don't get you are just plain stupid.
Qweenbee, Shelby please rave on. You make us laugh. You were thrilled Huckabee wasn't invited. When informed that he was and given the reason he declined, you still make outrageous comments.
Huckabee declined to celebrate his anniversary because he values principles above politics and this is just one more of many examples of it.
Would Romney do the same? NO! He'd rather sacrifice one of his wives than miss a chance to suck up to McCain.
An anti-Mormon swipe? Yes, my first one because you Romney/"LSD" maniacs (Mormon Taliban) don't know when to stop. Supporting your candidate and/or your religion is one think but some of you people have long ago gone just too far. Get a life! |
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Guys, let's keep it civil. "LSD (Mormon Taliban), Baptists a cult, Utah the scam capital, pro-Mormon cultists, and stupid".
Do we really have to sink this low and castigate each others beliefs? Let's talk about the subject and be objective if that's a possibility?
There are pros and cons with each potential nominee can we just limit our ruminations to these?
Gov. Huckabee would help McCain in the south. But does McCain need the help in the south? Gov. Huckabee would hurt McCain in the Rocky Mountain area (remember that Colorado and Nevada are trending purple). He's folksy and many people like that but hardcore leftists will rip evangelical Christians just like they would Mormons. Let's face it, they don't like either.
Gov. Romney would definetly help in the inter-mountain west. I would postulate that Romney would help McCain win in Colorado and Nevada. He is a native son of Michigan and did win the primary there with relative ease but is that enough to swing a blue state? Probably not?
Gov. Crist is short on experience (1.5 years as governor) and his popularity has dropped in Florida. Besides with Obama's comments about sitting down and talking with the likes of Castro Florida will most likely go to McCain. Gov. Crist really carries no weight anywhere else.
Personally I would love to see Sen. Coburn, Sen. DeMint or Rep. Flake. They would kick butt and take names on the economic/earmark front.
It's fun to speculate but let's keep it civil. |
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I've been away most of the day on business. But noted that my name was brought up - again. That's ok. but I thought on what you said, and your right. I've beenhard on huck. So...
In honor of Huck and Janets anniversary, I decided to give them a gift. I called to see where they were registered, but it is too late. So I did the next best thing. I made a donation to the Pac that Romney has just started, in their name.
Happy Anniversary! May you have 34 more. |
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I am and have been a full boar Romney guy. However with the primaries behind us, the VP choice should be purely a pragmatic decision. I believe we should only nominate whoever works the best to get the job done, with no idealogical considerations at all. If McCain thinks he can profit by crossing the aisle to pick a conservative like Romney or Jindal, so be it. If someone like Crist or Huckabee works better, fine.
At this point, all I care about is victory. I've already voted my principles and ideals in the primaries. It's time for bare knuckled politics. We don't have time for naive idiots talking about how we all ought to get along.
When we've got anti-war nutjobs and socialists that would sell our children's freedom and security out, I couldn't care any less how noble liberals think their intentions are. Every time a liberal cares, we lose more and more freedoms and our hard earned money. No thanks.
Lets lose the ego, find out what works and do it. |
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Since this is only blindingly obvious to me, since I'm the only person screaming this at the top of my lungs, I must be wrong. But here goes anyway:
McCain needs to find the most qualified female and pick her for VP.
Look at what's happening: Obama can either screw up by picking Hillary as VP - creating the most toxic ticket in political history, or he can screw up by NOT picking her - further alienating her base and women in general.
A woman on the GOP ticket - Carly Fiorina, Hutchison, Palin, even SNOW, fer cryin' out loud - would virtually guarantee a much higher female vote for the GOP. I think it's safe to say that many people vote for reasons other than the issues (let's face it), and this could easily put the GOP in the White House. A pure, Reagan-esque GOP? Obviously not. But far better for the GOP than the alternative.
I'm an Independent. I don't want one party in control of both the White House and the Congress, so I'll be voting GOP in November. The GOP needs to give itself every possible advantage, and this would do it. |
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We should have someone to compliment Obama. We should NEVER pick someone based on race or religion or color hair or eyes, or sex... we should go with qualifiations.
Now that McCain has turned over the reigns to someone else to find that person, I can only hope on who it's NOT. (Huckabee). |
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"A woman on the GOP ticket - Carly Fiorina, Hutchison, Palin, even SNOW, fer cryin' out loud - would virtually guarantee a much higher female vote for the GOP. "
I could really go for Sarah Palin. If I remember correctly, I think Kay Bailey Hutchison is not interested in a VP position. |
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Sarah Palin recently gave birth to a little baby girl with down syndrome. Having gone through the same experience myself 11 years ago, I'm fairly sure the VP spot is not even remotely on her radar screen. I wish her all the best, and even though she may not know it just yet, she is headed for many happy moments, and a new level of love and joy she has probably never quite experienced before. Beecoming a parent to one of these special children definitely changes one's life priorities and paradigm.
But, I agree with Qweenmum. The GOP shouldn't be looking for a personal profile based on external charateristics. Identity politics is for the dems, let them play that way. |
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"But, I agree with Qweenmum. The GOP shouldn't be looking for a personal profile based on external charateristics. Identity politics is for the dems, let them play that way. "
I would agree with you, if we are talking about selecting the presidential nominee, or if I could count on the electorate to focus on substance over superficial stuff in the selection of a VP candidate. However, the independent, wishy-washy, "go where your feelings tell you to go" folk are unfortunately moved by this identity politics garbage.
In the long term, it is more important that McCain get elected than for such-and-such a person get the VP slot at all costs. If more votes can be bought (yes, I said bought) by selecting a VP who assuages somebody's irrational white guilt, or gender guilt, or fear of a Mormon in any position of power, than can be gotten for real substantive reasons, then by all means lets do it. All the VP nominee has to be, substance wise, is adequate. Its not like they wield that much power.
The VP position is a bargaining chip anyway. If there is a big enough market for identity politics, lets use it as long as it will help McCain get elected. If, as I hope, we could gain more mileage by selecting a substantive VP nominee, then that would be great. I'm just not ruling anything out. |
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That would really perk up my enthusiasm to vote for McCain in November. Mitt is EXACTLY who we need as VP. Our economy is a little rocky now and some expertise would be a big, big plus. |
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I knew there was a reason I liked you! I've got a daughter with Down's Syndrome myself! 8 years old and she's awesome. Reads, can write some, and is just a joy. Stubborn as Hell sometimes, but the most loving kid you'll ever meet.
JoeB -
I tried to be civil with you, but you are just off the deep end. I disagree with Scientology quite a bit, but that doesn't mean I disrespect the folks who chose to follow that belief system, or even think they're irrational. They have a different set of data that they're going on, and they're probably doing the best they can with what they have. I disagree with some of that data, so I don't follow their belief system, but I fully accept that I don't know everything and so I'm prepared to accept them as well intentioned, thinking people.
ESPECIALLY if their political goals mesh with mine.
Before you go any further - take a long, deep look into this naked spite you have for Mormons and ask yourself if they are really a group so deserving of it. I've known a good chunk of Mormons in my time and I assure you, a great majority of them are very moral, thoughtful people. And exceptionally patriotic too! Yet you paint them with the same broad brush that liberals tend to paint conservatives: Cool-aid drinkers, Dumb, Mis-informed, following "the party line".
It's a child's thinking and you should repudiate it.
If you would reject a candidate as qualified as Mitt Romney because he disagrees with the Nicean Creed or something - you're going to have a very lonely political life - without much success along the way my friend.
And so will the GOP if it follows your line of thinking.
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DB: I tried to be civil with you, but you are just off the deep end. I disagree with Scientology quite a bit, but that doesn't mean I disrespect the folks who chose to follow that belief system, or even think they're irrational. They have a different set of data that they're going on, and they're probably doing the best they can with what they have. I disagree with some of that data, so I don't follow their belief system, but I fully accept that I don't know everything and so I'm prepared to accept them as well intentioned, thinking people.
Me: GOsh, you're right. We should all hold hands and sing "Kumbaya", even if I happen to think that their beliefs are completely nuts!!!
Now me, If I think that your belief system is nuts, I don't want your finger anywhere near a nuclear trigger.
Dr_B: ESPECIALLY if their political goals mesh with mine.
Me: I'm not willing to sell my soul to get my goals. Sorry to hear you are.
Dr_B: Before you go any further - take a long, deep look into this naked spite you have for Mormons and ask yourself if they are really a group so deserving of it. I've known a good chunk of Mormons in my time and I assure you, a great majority of them are very moral, thoughtful people. ".
Me: I've known some Mormons and found them to be the most backstabbing mother bleepers I ever met in my life.
Dr_B:It's a child's thinking and you should repudiate it.
If you would reject a candidate as qualified as Mitt Romney because he disagrees with the Nicean Creed or something - you're going to have a very lonely political life - without much success along the way my friend.
Me: My issue with Mormons isn't doctrinal. It's about stupidity. If they truly believe that stuff, they are stupid. If they don't, they are putting a scam over on the ones who do. So stupid or dishonest, neither rates very high with me.
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"You're a dumbhead" is incredibly pertinent to this particualar discussion.
Thank you for that illuminating critique of why Mormons should not only be religious pariahs, but political ones as well. |
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How can you sell your soul, when you have none? You have stated that you are not very religious. So give it up! Your soul-less! Wasteland, that's a good description of what your heart is. |
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Yes! My daughter is quite stubborn too, we call it "determined"! And she is also incredibly loving, forgiving and compassionate. She helps me through every day with her magic touch and incredibly funny personality. She is definitely the star of our family. (youngest of 5 children)
Nice to know ya!
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You are as morally corrupt as any person I have ever encountered; however, I will defend your right to be here and to spread your vitriolic bigotry - as long as you keep it in check.
I told Brob on another post that I am offended when he uses profanity, which belongs on Huffington or Dumbocratic Underground, but not here.
I refer to you comment regarding Mormons, "I've known some Mormons and found them to be the most backstabbing mother bleepers I ever met in my life." To me, that is profane (even though you replaced th F-word with bleepers, your meaning was the same) and I respectfully request you to refrain from such language. I will continue to flag as offensive any more of it and my hope is that TH will remove your posts if it continues. |
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Qweenmumof7 writes: Tuesday, May, 27, 2008 6:14 PM
Joeb
How can you sell your soul, when you have none? You have stated that you are not very religious. So give it up! Your soul-less! Wasteland, that's a good description of what your heart is.
Me: I've stated that I don't go to Church. That isn't the same thing as not being religious. In my own way, I am a very spiritual person. I just don't think that includes letting other people tell me what I should think or believe.
Letting other people tell you what you HAVE to believe gets you Mohammed Atta flying a plane into the WTC. Or Jim Jones squirting poison Kool-Aid down a baby's throat. Or John D. Lee killing the Francher Party on Brigham Young's order. (oh, sorry, was he a relative of yours?) It means giving up the brain that God gave you to think for yourself... |
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MC:Joeb,
You are as morally corrupt as any person I have ever encountered; however, I will defend your right to be here and to spread your vitriolic bigotry - as long as you keep it in check.
I told Brob on another post that I am offended when he uses profanity, which belongs on Huffington or Dumbocratic Underground, but not here.
I refer to you comment regarding Mormons, "I've known some Mormons and found them to be the most backstabbing mother bleepers I ever met in my life." To me, that is profane (even though you replaced th F-word with bleepers, your meaning was the same) and I respectfully request you to refrain from such language. I will continue to flag as offensive any more of it and my hope is that TH will remove your posts if it continues.
Me- Gee, MC, I am sorry if I offended your sensibilities. It's obvious that you never served in the miltary, as I did for 11 years, where that kind of langauge is commonly used.
I was merely pointing out that the excuse that most Non-Mormons like yourself use to excuse the cult is "well, I've known Mormons all my life, and they are the nicest people I've ever met!" Yes, they put on that nice act to blindside stupid people. Get stuck in a barracks with some of them for a few weeks, and you'll know it's all just an act.
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Good response JoeB
"You're a dumbhead" is incredibly pertinent to this particualar discussion.
Me; Well, since that's not what I said, it isn't pertinant at all.
Dr-B Thank you for that illuminating critique of why Mormons should not only be religious pariahs, but political ones as well.
Me: Yes, when you belong to a cult started by polygamists, con men and murderers, you deserve to be a pariah.
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