maybe nobody wants to take our detainess because they realize because of the Bush admin's lack of actual evidence it would be near impossible to prosecute let alonte detain them without compromising their own laws and ethics.
Funny Obama is trying to deal with one of the biggest moral failures of the 20th century and carol wans other countries to compund the folly by comrpomising their own laws. Typical.
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...was snubbed by the Brits? Don't these uppity Brits know with whom they are dealing? They should know better than to interfere with the emperor's groove.
Why don't some of the emperor's favorites in the Arab world take the terrorists? The fact is, some would, but the poor imprisoned terrorists would not be too happy with those consequences. The lefty libs and the emperor are too concerned about the terrorists' "rights". |
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You might want to read reader's comments in British and other foreign newspapers. It was a surprise to me that the vast majority of comments were anti-Obama over a three or four day period of reading them. I didn't compute the ratio, but most were critical of him. Strange, that. . . |
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...They do belong in American soil - about 6 feet deep in American soil - after having assumed room temperature. Just think of it as an abortive procedure. |
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I sincerely hope this isn't the case actually..I want the President to succeed..because then America, a much more important and lasting institution, would prosper long after the accolades and echos of "yes we can.." fade into the lost vault of hyperbolic political rhetoric. Having said that, I fear the Euros may not be as captivated (.."chill down my leg.." Matthews, notwithsatnding) with President Obama. No amount of media fawning, no more autobiographies touting mediocure and thin spread "activities" will replace the sheer fact that President Obama is perhaps the most inexperienced, least accomplished, most assisted, most supported presidential candidate and winner in US history. It is a clear entrenchment and metastizizing of a deadly combination of Affirmitive Action ideology (in the form of white guilt), and a "American Idol" cultural mind set that set the conditions for this, articulate, and emotionally intelligent, yet quite vascious politician to actually pull this off. Well, he has the controls of the airplane now, and no amount of back seat drivers can change his grip on the direction, and safety, of this plane called America. I don't blame the Euros in this case for perhaps waiting for the next flight..at least until he gets some more flight time and experience..can you blame them? would you board a plane with with an unexperienced and untested pilot? |
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"There was nobody very hot about it," said Karel Schwarzenberg, the Czech foreign minister, whose country holds the EU's rotating presidency.
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"It is not an easy question and it is up to each nation what they will decide."
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"European countries are particularly concerned that the US is not yet able to prove that prisoners do not pose security risks."
~Telegraph.co.uk report on the recent meeting of the EU Foreign Ministers group.
Interesting that the EU has some misgivings about security risks as well.
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BLAGO IS THE MAN!!!
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I predicted this... Allegedly the reason EUtopia hasn't assisted the US is because Bush alienated the allies with his Unilateralism... and they would help us if only we were more multi-lateral and open to hearing from them... then suddenly they'd help us with everything we need.
That was the fantasy anyway. I knew perfectly well that the countries in EUtopia have no intention of doing anything beyond what they're currently doing and they're certainly not going to appreciate being bossed around by Obama as he "restores US leadership".
Bush was a pretext for EUtopia to hide behind... and now their true attitude or willingness will be exposed.
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"European countries are particularly concerned that the US is not yet able to prove that prisoners do not pose security risks."
They're not convinced we can prove ANYTHING. The argument is obvious; they don't want the burden of proof and they certainly don't trust the Bush admin's judgemnt one way of the other. After years of holding them incustody you would think we would have prelnty of proof at our disposal; apparently we don't. We can't prove they're dangerous or not it would seem. Are they a secuirty risk? We sure don't know.
EPIC FAIL.
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News Flash. The US Military does not have CSI teams following them around the battlefield. Very often these terrorists are captured through classified intelligence in a dash and grab manor. Liberal ignorance from our new King on down is staggering on the issue of GITMO detainees. As for our new King I don’t believe its ignorance just hypocrisy. |
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you mean we didn't get confessions after waterboardig them? No? What's that? Oh they aren't ADMISSABLE in most world courts?
Good job there. |
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you mean we didn't get confessions after waterboardig them? No? What's that? Oh they aren't ADMISSABLE in most world courts?
Good job there. |
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Well, you're right, didn't give the Miranda warnings and not enough forensic evidence to convict. So, release them.
In Frank's neighborhood. |
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"They're not convinced we can prove ANYTHING. The argument is obvious; they don't want the burden of proof and they certainly don't trust the Bush admin's judgemnt one way of the other. After years of holding them incustody you would think we would have prelnty of proof at our disposal; apparently we don't. We can't prove they're dangerous or not it would seem. Are they a secuirty risk? We sure don't know.
EPIC FAIL."
Why would we spend millions of dollars, take an inordinate amount of criticisim and "tarnish" our reputation in the world to hold people we didn't think with great conviction were actually dangerous? Is it the belief of all Gitmo critics that every single official within the US governemnt, intelligence, and military communities has fallen compliant with the "evil Bush" doctrine? That is an absurd notion, and there are dozens of cases where people within those communities expressed their concerns, and some have profited and been quite vocal in their opposition..that is America. But the level of scrutiny by their attorneys, the ACLU, the International Red Cross, and even our own media has been remarkable and unprecedented. So with these last remaining prisoners, why would we hold them at such a cost, unless the cost of releasing them was potentially greater?..(aka AQ leader in Yemen)
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...take no prisoners from now on.
Love to see the lefty voice of Frankie, so psychotically obsessed with these terrorists' "rights" - Typical pro-enemy, anti-American drivel. Maybe lefty libs like Frank should volunteer a room in each of their houses to take in one or more of these nice folks from Gitmo. Rep. Murtha has done that, sort of. He has offered his home district to house these poor, mistreated folks. |
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Our great War time presidents understood that unpleasant things needed to be done to protect America. From Lincoln’s suspension of Habeas Corpus to FDRs internment of American’s of Japanese heritage, great leaders make the tough call to keep us safe. You are too ignorant to see the evidence of our European allies refusal to take these guys is because they are killers. President Bush made the tough call and locked them up. The sad thing is it is going to take another 9/11 to wake you Liberals up or at least get you to crawl back under a rock. |
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Who said this was going to be easy? |
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It's like a mad lib...
"Look at (Insert news story).
Apparently (insert 3 flattering hyperbolic adjectives) (Choose one: Obama, McCain, Pelosi, Reid, Frank) (choose at least one: can't succeed at anything, isn't paying us enough attention, really luvs Muslims).
This shows that: (the liberal media isn't being fair to Republicans; Democrats hate America; God is a Republican; Muslims are evil).
This is clearly good news for (Mitt Romney; Mitt Romney; Mitt Romney; Sarah Palin)."
Now that I've cracked the code, do I get my own column? |
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Let's treat those Gitmo detainees, who were CAUGHT RED HANDED planning and executing terrorism against innocent people like they would be treated back home when caught doing mischief.....Get out your video camera and LOP THEIR HEADS OFF and show it on al-jazeera during commercials of BHO's interview or on YouTube. I think those guys would prefer the country club at Gitmo over losing their domes.... |
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of Nick Berg screaming in agony as his head was being sawed off and the charred bodies of civilain workers hanging from a bridge in Iraq and Margaret Hassan being disembowled are distant memories because they were Americans.
President Obama, a liberal and his "Kumbaya" attitude is learning a tough lesson at our expense because Europeans are not going to jump in and take the Gitmo inmates.
Moreover, the American people are not going to allow terrorists to be housed in their backyards either. |
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Frank: "...because they realize because of the Bush admin's lack of actual evidence it would be near impossible to prosecute let alonte detain them without compromising their own laws and ethics."
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EU Foreign Ministers: "European countries are particularly concerned that the US is not yet able to prove that prisoners do not pose security risks."
It wasn't your point at all. You have to be sharp to have a point. You are not sharp but you are pointless.
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The UK has plenty of jihadists. They don't need more of them. |
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I thought God was an Agnostic..:)..I get your point though...it does seem that we are all pin balls that naturally spin and swirl into our respective camps..It is indicitive of the polarity of America, of which there's always been ends of the spectrum..they just seem to have widened..Dread, you are one of the good ones, however..not that we agree on much, but we do agree that civil and courteous discourse is a much more palitable and adult approach than some of the "swill" that gets "sprinkled" in..I hope we can keep that level of discourse, my Friend...:) |
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... said "NO!". Liberal "intellectuals" elitists in Europe would rather bemoan America's "terrible human rights violations" rather than take any action.
Words are easier than action. Europe demonstrates time and time again they are in able to take any substantive action.
They want the U.S. to police the world; criticize it as we do... |
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[ Is it the belief of all Gitmo critics that every single official within the US governemnt, intelligence, and military communities has fallen compliant with the "evil Bush" doctrine?]
No. I don’t see some grand evil conspiracy.
I see a typical bureaucracy.
Despite our reputation for rebellion, Americans generally trust the system. As a civilian equivilient, it’s probably a lot like police officers putting trust in their fellow LEOs.
If the Mexican Federalies turned over a guy they arrested, said they caught him under X circumstances and have a confession from him detailing crimes he committed in America, our guys taking him into custody on our side or guarding him in prison would probably take it at face value that he should be there and not question the circumstances of his arrest or confession, leaving it to their superiors and the system to work out guilt or innocence.
Unfortunately, until recently with Gitmo, there was no system to work those little details out. And what system was put together favored the prosecution.
As to the civilian bureaucrats, well, I'd like to think they're above wondering about how clearing a bunch of guys arrested by our erstwhile allies of terrorism would work out for their future careers, but then I remember I don't trust government bureaucrats. |
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Of course the europeans don't want them,They are TERRORISTS!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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Moral failings of the 20th century? HA HA HA HA HA.
So are you saying that Obambi is the biggest moral failure of the 21st century?
Britian doesn't want the gitmo prisoners, their own countries won't take them back.
Yup, well thought out plan by Obambi with this one.
Since you are so big on "rigths" I suggest that you house them and transport them back and forth to the American courts that will "try" them. I know you are such a good and generous Americn Fwankie, so how about it?
What say you? |
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"I see a typical bureaucracy. As to the civilian bureaucrats, well, I'd like to think they're above wondering about how clearing a bunch of guys arrested by our erstwhile allies of terrorism would work out for their future careers, but then I remember I don't trust government bureaucrats. "
Alas, they are the same bureaucrats..I am afraid the mantra of "change" won't affect them in any great way..Rummie tried to completely revamp and alter in a fundamental way GS and government employees are evaluated and compensated..it met extreme and staunch resistance...and there was no decernable change in that dynamic. So, the same "bureacracy" that plagued Bush will most likey be the same to plague Obama..however, it can be argued the majority of government emplyees are Democrats, so maybe there is hope... |
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[Alas, they are the same bureaucrats..I am afraid the mantra of "change" won't affect them in any great way]
Probably not. But self-interest will.
If they perceive that the new management would reward them for actually investigating cases and either building evidence for conviction or releasing wrongfully accused persons, then they will follow. Or conversely, if they perceive that their new bosses will punish incompetence or indifference, they will follow through. Or they'll get transferred to some backwater branch.
Mind you, in any event, it won't be easy.
A lot will depend on Obama's appointees getting a clear message from their boss about his expectations and making sure it gets filtered down the org chart. |
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I thought all this time that the fact that Bushitler had thrown these poor, unfortunate people into Gitmo was positive proof of their innocence?
Well, okay.
Since no country wants to take them, lets send them to some place under the UN.
Like "Antartica" maybe.
After all, "Global Warming" is heating the place up, right? |
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Its not my fault you are so AFRIAD OF THE RULE OF LAW. I know you would prefer what's expediaent and compromise what few values you may or may not have left but if it meant housing them myself so that the rule of law could be up held as a PATRIOT I would. Unlike you and your ilk I am not afraid of any man, woman, or terrorist. Fear does not rule my life or decisions.
Perhaps you would be more at home in Europe. You seem to share their failings. I'll pay for your ticket if you want; one caveat; you can never come back. |
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Yeah right, lap dogs...you haven't a clue. It's a socialist left wing government over there.
And it has been a left wing government since 1997. You clueless fool.
Thankfully that will change soon. Even the Brits have had enough of them. Current polling has the Conservative party 12-15 points ahead. Bye-bye lefties.
Tell us smartypants...when was the last time you went to the UK or even spoke to a British person about what they think. As usual you don't know a thing about anything you say. Ignorant fool.
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How can this be? Don't they know that the Glorious Leader desires this? That his word is law? So let it be written, so let it be done? Who do they think they are to deny the Glorious Leader whatever he wants?
I have no problem letting them onto American soil. They can be pushed out of a plane at 30,000 feet without a parachute. Works for me. |
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"Its not my fault you are so AFRIAD OF THE RULE OF LAW. I know you would prefer what's expediaent and compromise what few values you may or may not have left but if it meant housing them myself so that the rule of law could be up held as a PATRIOT I would. Unlike you and your ilk I am not afraid of any man, woman, or terrorist. Fear does not rule my life or decisions.
Perhaps you would be more at home in Europe. You seem to share their failings. I'll pay for your ticket if you want; one caveat; you can never come back."
Fwankie: Is this your self description above? Seems to me you lefties are the ones thwarting the rule of law at every twist and turn.
Your spinning is making you queasy, you had better stop before you lose your lunch buddy boy.
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SO BARRY GIVES THEM THE DUDES FROM GITMO!TOO WIERD! |
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The silence is deafening Miss O'Hara. We are waiting for details of the good charitable work you do for kids.
How do I know we won't be hearing anything. "All mouth and no trousers" as the English would say...not that you would know as you know nothing about them either. |
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Monkey Girl, So intelligent are you. OOh, shaking in my boots.
Frank, surely you jest.
The rule of law is something Dems hate and thus why they change things to suit. I think it's called a double standard.
You see, Tim Geithner broke the law and Obama called it a mistake,an oversight. Scooter Libby had a faulty memory and whoops, gee, was sent to jail. Now, who upholds the law and who doesn't.
Charlie Rangel and Chris Dodd broke the law, but they still have jobs. Newt Gingrich, and Bob Dole took monetary gifts that were above the accepted limits and, gee they were fired. What's wrong with this picture?
Liberals are freaking hypocrites. |
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So if these terrorists were proven TO BE security risks as opposed to "not," the Euro's would take them in to help close Gitmo? Of course not! Would you? Obama's celebrated mouth won't change that grim reality. In any wolf pack there's always the strongest and smartest wolf (the Alpha) leading the pack. The other wolves don't necessarily like the Alpha simply because he's the Alpha, but count on him to protect the pack and make the hard decisions needed for the benefit of them all. One of the other wolves would overthrow him if he could.
We'll see how long it takes for Obama to realize being the Alpha means he'll need that new dog if he wants a friend. |
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Arrogance breeds ignorance. |
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This guy is making the stupidest comments I have ever heard and where is our media. |
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Frank:
It's not that we cannot prove GTMO detainees' guilt, it's having to release very classified information which, once made public, could identify a source and get him and/or his family killed. (Not to mention that making such information public discourages anyone in the future from coming forward with valid threat information that could save American lives.)
Get a clue Frank, and stop drinking the main-stream media/Obama kool-aid. Things are much more complicated than the sound bytes and photo ops make it seem. |
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I believe that we were with in our rights to summarily execute those fighting without uniforms .we have been very leniant in dealing with these terrorist .They are illegal combatants and should be treated as such a fair trial followed by a first class hanging ,preferably with a pigskin rope . |
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Already obama has shown his inexperience and poor decision maikng.
1) closing gitmo will cause us great harm. Watch and see.
2) Abortion funding for foreign countries on your dollar.
3) siding with the dirtbag terrorists and telling Israel to give up tons of land for peace.
obama must be retarded. The terrorists do not want peace. Nothing will change the minds of iller terrorists, but idiot obama thinks he can talk with them and change them. This is so pathetic. obama will have us bombed and ruined in less than 2 years. All you losers who voted for him are to blame. |
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Let's send these sacks of sh!t to Israel! Israel with no-nonsense Bibi heading the ship will see to it that justice is served quickly! That would make them all go apoplectic! Only the Jews have enough balls to administer justice, and they know exactly how to deal with terrorists - kill the bastards. America's a joke! When a man believes in his insane religion that killing Christians and Jews will reward him in Heaven, he is no different than a serial killer. Death is the only option! That the guys at GITMO have been there almost 6 years is laughable. These guys should have been long since put to death. Why they were even taken there in the first place is ridiculous. They should have been killed immdediately after arrest or executed on the spot as spies by the Geneva Convention. We have a government and a military in DC run by a bunch of Liberal, Politically Correct, limp-wristed, bleeding heart, Democrat bureaucrats who know absolutely nothing about war, the Geneva Convention, or the Constitution. You have to ask yourselves in regards to these blithering idiot bureaucrat Democrats & Republicans, why is it that Hitler's henchmen were tried for "war crimes" and executed by the US government approximately 60 years ago and today, we're trying to befriend terrorists??? |
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LMAO, the only point he has is the point on the top of his pin head! Hahaha.
All he needs now, is a tinfoil hat!
The moron thinks communism is the "rule of law"!
No more Gitmo detainees,....shoot em on the battlefield!
And BTW, the holy devine emperor has no clothes! Hahaha.
He won't even make it through his honeymoon.
Commie empty suit. |
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Excellent comment and I agree 100%!!!
The spineless weenies wanted to fight a PC war,{no such animal possible}, the ROEs tied soldiers' hands behind their backs,...no wonder it all turned out the way it has.
When our soldiers were ordered NOT to fire on insurgents in mosques, while at the same time getting the hell shot out of them,....I knew that it would drag on forever.
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Dread and Charles Sch comments were LOL.Europe don't want to take the innoncent men that were held by the evil Bush,suprise,suprise. The Left and the msm were always telling us that getting rid of President Bush would solve all our problems with the foreign governments. Suprise, suprise again.
First why do we care what the foreign governments actually think about us? Who do they come to every time they need help?
This is the first time have I have seen a post that felt the way I do. The Geneva Convention rules I believe said if caught fighting out of uniform,they were to be considered spys and shot.Of course I guess one could say their hoods,like the KKK,could be considered a uniform,or just that they are such cowards they hide their faces.
I am sure the next thing the Liberal Left Democrats and Lawyers will want is that our military mirandize anyone they capture that has been shooting at them. |
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I am shuddering as I type. Barak Obama IS the Alpha male...what the heck does that say about the rest of the world's leaders? If that nancy boy is the alpha.....we are in big trouble!!!! |
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Hussein Obama is a complete and utter fraud. |
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From FulghumInk:
Since the Netherlands are prosecuting Geert Wilders for "hate speech" it is obvious that they know something we don't.
I suggest sending the Islamofascists to the Netherlands so that the concept of "hate speech" may be demonstrated to be a legitimate judicial undertaking.
I mean...after all...we all just want to get along...don't we?
If the Netherlands refuses to take them, then the "world" can try them for "crimes against love and peace." Maybe we should leave it up to the lawyers to label the crime of refusing to allow human excrement their rightful place in the global body of "people of faith."
Just a thought... |
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I am expecting any day now, Barak will show up to address the nation wearing a turban and his wife Michelle a Bacca. Then and only then, will americans (including the elite media) begin to wonder where his allegience lies. I think i am getting ahead of myself - this will happen in his second term when he and michelle write an executive order to give the first not-so-proud first black first lady a salary. Hey - it's our time now, hollar back america! |
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I LOVE IT. I love seeing rightwingers so angry and so defeated!!!! |
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Not angry, not defeated. Just right. You'll wake up and smell the coffee in a couple of years. In the mean time, maybe you should save your "love" for a person rather than an ignorant cause. |
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If Durbin doesn't want the detainees in his back yard, why should our allies take them. It was President Obama who closed Gitmo and he wants England to take them off his hands. Next time President Obama shouldn't be in such a hurry to please the critics against the war and the human rights nuts. Let the International Red Cross and Amnesty International find a home for the detainees and give them a job. |
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If you weren't gleefully castigating the left about being so angry and defeated for the past eight years than you are a hypocrital individual. You are funny. Obviously you are young and foolish. Gloating is not only unbecoming, but it is a fool's pasttime because it isn't going to be this way forever. I have seen political cycles in my time, and every time a party is proclaimed dead--it rises from the ashes. |
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Thank you for your comment to the gleeful Tess. I have seen a few parties come and go since I cast my first presidential vote for....drumroll:
Jimmy Carter!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I look back at that and I have hope for the young. It only took me one pathetic vote to cure me for a lifetime.
I pray for the country. I encourage people to stay focused rather than wasting energy with anger. Obama may be the jolt the Conservatives need to get our act together. Even FDR did not reign forever. I only hope that we will not require a third World War to get us out of this economic situation.
Forgive me for voting for Carter.
Also, Murtha has offered to accept the inmates of Gitmo. I truly suggest that we call his bluff and send them there.
Words mean things. |
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I must plead guilty to the same thing. In 1980 when I was a young, impressionable 18 year old, I voted for Carter too. Like you, I was cured after that!
I read the posts of the lefties and laugh! I just hope the American people awake from this stupor to do something about an out-of-control government! |
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Let's stop using Alcatraz as a landmark and throw them all into the extreme wonders of the landmark prison. It was good enough for Capone so it should be good enough for the terrorists.
Let's also be real about the situation, Obama can be the prison warden there. Alcatraz was a stronghold for America and then turned into a military prison, let's use it once again!
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I bet the Saudi Government would know how to administer Arab Justice on the Terrorists. |
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If the Gitmo crazies are no problem, why does Obama want other countries to that them. I wish Obama had to literally live next door to them like he is trying to make OTHER people do. These liberal nut jobs like Obama want other people to live with their crazy polies while shielding themselves from the consequences. |
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Obama has failed to learn from two of his alleged heroes. FDR, in World War II, dealt with Nazi terrorists by trying them before military tribunals and executing them. He had a Supreme Court that knew better than ours, which decided to overrule that precedent.
Lincoln, in the Civil War, learned that paroling southern prisoners only allowed them to return to the battlefield, replenishing the South's much needed manpower. Instead, he detained them in often deplorable conditions until the war was over. |
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