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Monday, August 04, 2008
"Pelosi firm: No vote on offshore drilling"
Posted by: Hugh Hewitt at 11:40 AM
Nancy Pelosi says drop dead to American drivers, American fliers, and American manufacturing.

Obama should call on his party's leaders to allow a vote on offshore drilling on the outer continental shelf.  But he won't.  All hat. No cattle.  And no spine.

Any vote for any Democrat is a vote for rising gas prices and massive transfers of wealth to OPEC.

Also, "Obama's Energy Plan," from Powerline:

obamaenergyplan.jpg

Featuring the illustration above, Time reports that McCain supporters in Michigan will distribute tire gauges at Obama’s energy speech in Lansing, and that the RNC will also deliver gauges reading “Obama’s energy plan” to Washington newsrooms. Mary Katharine Ham may want to update her tribute to "Obama on your shoulder" to include his helpful hint on the importance of tire gauges and tune-ups.



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Fr. David writes: Tuesday, August, 05, 2008 7:51 PM
Pelosi to Country: Drop Dead
Hugh, you have the makings of a first rate national tv ad for the campaign, recalling the New York Daily News of 1975 ("Ford to City: Drop Dead"). Here, the text is simple, and you've given it:

Pelosi firm: No vote on offshore drilling

Nancy Pelosi says drop dead to American drivers, American fliers, and American manufacturing.



Ahhhhh. Can't wait to see it on-screen.

Fr. David in Denver
swampthing writes: Tuesday, August, 05, 2008 6:22 PM
Easy Pickin's

==Why would you choose NOT to drill? ==
Liberal Democrats are between a rock and a hard place inside of three months before an election. They didn't expect to be in this position this close to it.

Liberal Democrats must decide whether to submit to their no-drill constituents, or to submit to drill popularity.

No-drill is 25%. It is a loser.

Drill is 75%. It is a winner.

However, for Liberal Democrats to decide now to advocate drilling would make them appear to be agreeing with Republicans. That makes Republicans look better, not that they need any help.

At the same time, Republican policy looks better to the majority even if Liberal Democrats stay in that 25% zone.

Republicans could not ask for better positioning in this election campaign. All they have to do now is execute.
swampthing writes: Tuesday, August, 05, 2008 5:57 PM
Lessons Learned, Hopefully
==Bottom line is Americans are screwed on Energy issues until we remove the Dems as the Majority...==

In 2006, disgruntled Republicans enabled Democrats to take Congress by either not voting, or voting for someone other than a Republican. These angry Republicans thought they were getting back at Republicans. They cut off their nose, though, to spite their face. Now we are all suffering.

I hope they learned their lesson, to be put into practice this coming November.
swampthing writes: Tuesday, August, 05, 2008 5:45 PM
28% President Has 100% Authority
==The President can reconvene congress in the event of an Emergency.... but, in the past, that authority has only been used in the case of war or military confrontations....==

Except that the president, according to the Constitution, may call a special session whenever he gets the itch to do it, and it doesn't have to be an emergency:

Article II, Section. 3. ...he may, on extraordinary Occasions, convene both Houses, or either of them, and in Case of Disagreement between them, with Respect to the Time of Adjournment, he may adjourn them to such Time as he shall think proper...
swampthing writes: Tuesday, August, 05, 2008 5:39 PM
Losers Can't Be Choosers

=="As I say, it's not the side that wins this."

So what are you winning? ==

Well, so far, if we are to believe the polls, we have won over about 75% of the American People. We and the American People are on the same side. This is critical three months before the election.

On the other hand, you indicate that you are comfy and cozy with a 25% loser side.
poyman writes: Tuesday, August, 05, 2008 5:21 PM
endocelt
The President can reconvene congress in the event of an Emergency.... but, in the past, that authority has only been used in the case of war or military confrontations....

Unfortunately,Bush has already said what he wants Congress to do and has continuously put pressure on them, but this is in the laps of the Dems (Pelosi and Reid) at this point and both are fairly well insulated by their respective constituentcies (SF and Nevada).... Bottom line is Americans are screwed on Energy issues until we remove the Dems as the Majority...

See my post from Yesterday @4:28PM...
Josh writes: Tuesday, August, 05, 2008 5:10 PM
Pelosi's Peril?
If Ms. Pelosi is not careful, she just might succeed in delivering this election to McCain.
Salty Alaskan writes: Tuesday, August, 05, 2008 2:50 PM
endocelt
Timing.

I'm not much for the politiking of politics, but if he's gonna do it, he should let it stew a bit first. You've got the R's grandstanding in the chambers, the media finally putting a little heat on the D's, and people are starting to get a whiff of something stinky.

In a couple weeks any reps or sens who have been hanging around will have left town, people are going to be a bit crankier than they are now, and that is the time to pull such a maneuver, IMO.

The reality is Pelosi can simply gavel adjourned once they have a quorum. The aim should be to make that move as costly politically as possible if she chooses to do so.
endocelt writes: Tuesday, August, 05, 2008 2:39 PM
All hat, no cattle
George Bush has the authority to recall Congress to vote on off-shore drilling, but he won't. Sounds like he and Obama are on the same page, except that George Bush's party would respond positively to the opportunity to vote on off shore drilling, so he doesn't even have Obama's excuse that his party is against drilling anywhere, ever. And Obama believes he is president, but George Bush actually is, and can actually call Congress into a special session to vote on offshore drilling, and he still refuses. Why?
poyman writes: Tuesday, August, 05, 2008 1:52 PM
Brazen (PII)
I totally disagree with your conclusion that Speculation will continue to run wild (at least for the near term), and I think that your assessment that oil harvested in this country will simply be offered to world markets regardless of market Conditions is naive and flat wrong.... I think you know, and I know, and most importantly, the Oil Companies and the Government know that we will not, as a nation, be exporting oil to any foreign entities if the commodity looks to become scarce and world demand hikes the price beyond tollerance....

It's funny, you talk like a Corporate lawyer I use to work with.... you spend all your oxygen explaining why the "logical" can't be done and why we as a company (but in this case, a country) must face the harshest of roads to travel... insterad of opening yourself to all possibilities.

Drop the Dems talking points for a minute or two and face some reality
poyman writes: Tuesday, August, 05, 2008 1:51 PM
Brazen (P I)
You're right, let's just all build windmills and put sails on our cars cuz other world entities are going to want our oil anyway.... Sorry, but that is just unbelievable reasoning....

I find it humorous that you talk about the Chinese investment into Alternative Energy Formats but neglect to talk about the money that they are putting into Oil Exploration (which dwarfs their investment in alternative forms of energy).... As I am sure you know, they are working agressively with Cuba right now to stick platforms in the Ocean between us and Cuba to harvest the very oil that we have, and have had, access to for years.... and you Libs just want to sit there and let it happen...

There is no question, that over the next 50 to 75 years (maybe longer)this world will have to either find Petroleum and/or Gas Products that regenerate or develop alternative forms of energy that can replace our current dependance on it.... But, in the mean time we have to sustain the economies of the earth as we know them and provide a platform for these technology advances.... Which means we need to find oil...

Salty Alaskan writes: Tuesday, August, 05, 2008 1:24 PM
Change
The true battle won't be the vote, but the crushing flow of constant litigation against actual development. Pelosi is already quietly giving the green light to D's for the drilling vote, which is a forgone issue.

Post vote, when they can operate out of the spotlight of the congressional chambers, the D's will throw their weight behind the greens who will fund this avalanche of lawsuits. If the D's hold majority, (and even if they don't) look for them to work the DOJ, EPA, DOE and other federal bureacracies over like the Germans beat the French.

We are going to see the equivalent of the spotted owl travesty repeated over and over and over. Until the feds truly get behind energy development, I'm afraid we are looking at a very long war of attrition. Given this scenario, the projections of years to bring oil to market could be reality. Not due to technological or logistics issues, but bureacratic red tape.
Seawolf writes: Tuesday, August, 05, 2008 11:53 AM
Pelosi is blocking a vote
in order to protect bambi from having to man up before the election.
With 75% of the people demanding that we drill for OUR oil, he'd have to vote yes.
Playing politics on vacation while real Americans go without because of the dems being owned by the loonytune tree huggers is arrogance writ large...they WANT $5 gas folks.

Just think how many jobs would be created in building the 100 nuke plants Mccain wants, the new refinaries and clean coal plants and the other infrastructure...dems don't want any of those jobs.
Without gas how would you commute to any job since the dems won't drill?

This incompetant and arrogant re-incarnation of Marie Antoinette needs to be impeached along with that crook reid.
If the people wake up to their real reason for this, maybe they'll throw these corrupt clowns out on their ear in Nov.

The republicans need to make the case for that and HARD, no more of this commity garbage, they ain't your 'good friends", they are the domestic enemies of the Constitution.
Salty Alaskan writes: Tuesday, August, 05, 2008 11:47 AM
bryce
See JPK's 9:57 post. We are talking about a multi pronged approach, of which developing known reserves is but one prong. Every source should be developed, including researching new options. But, the key is starting now on all of them.

I would liken this situation to a cancer patient getting advice that existing treatments have a 10% chance of success, but new treatments are being developed that would be better, but they don't know exactly when they will be available. Is that patient going to say "ok, I'll wait for the new treatments", and do nothing in the meantime?
Dustoff-507 writes: Tuesday, August, 05, 2008 11:16 AM
bryce
Peak-oil thought was blow out the window years ago. One question, it there is so little oil out there. Why would oil frims even wish to try. (losing money looking for so little)

Joe, Don't Hate Me 'Cause I'm Right writes: Tuesday, August, 05, 2008 11:03 AM
HuffPuff: Obama can't win?
In the defining moment of his life, McCain was willing to give everything for one thing, and that one thing was his country. Contrast that with Obama, who has told America that he is "a proud citizen of the United States and a fellow citizen of the world." Obama is the talented salesman who seduced one state after another saying "Iowa, this is our moment," "Virginia, this is our moment," "Texas, this is our moment," and then tells Europe, "people of Berlin, people of the world, this is our moment." How many times can Barack Obama sell the same moment to everyone, before he becomes Mel Brooks in "The Producers"? Who is Barack Obama? His campaign, as it reupholsters him before our eyes, says we can never know -- perhaps because Barack Obama does not know himself.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/alex-castellanos/the-molten-c ore-of-barack_b_116904.html
NEConservative writes: Tuesday, August, 05, 2008 10:59 AM
Pelosi Has Been Instructed By Eco-Terror
She has been given her marching orders by the environmental gastapo and thats final. No relief for you and yours, she has an environmentalist agenda and means to follow it.

The Democrats would rather send food prices soaring here and abroad with talk of renewable energy like grain and beet greens and such. They are like Barack Obama, all talk no plan. There is absolutly no way we can start burning beet greens and move the country from fossil fuel in the next hundred years or so. They have already tried this tactic with corn ethanol and drove up world food prices and starved a bunch of people in Africa and other third world countries.

Also her logic of the oil company permits that are not being used is stupid. Just give permits for all U.S. land and drill everywhere also mine and use clean environmentally safe coal technology. Build safe effective nuclear plants, the French do it why can't we. This will bring down prices and keep opec and the leftwing buddy Hugo Chavez in line.
hvs writes: Tuesday, August, 05, 2008 10:39 AM
Dottie you're not wrong, you're RIGHT
See my 8:41 comment
Dottie writes: Tuesday, August, 05, 2008 10:31 AM
I don't understand
I may be wrong, but it sounds to me like some on here are incredibly concerned with "big oil men" making profits. They are so mad that these people may make money that they are in a frenzy about drilling here.

Now, I could be wrong about this, but aren't we paying millions of dollars to Middle Eastern nations for oil? Don't many people in those countries (including their governments) hate us?

We are not going to wean ourselves off of oil any time soon. Shouldn't we do whatever it takes to get the price down and pay that money to people who don't fund terrorists and the like?

It may sound simplistic, but I say drill here, pay Americans to further explore and drill and invest in the country as opposed to paying the Saudis to provide our oil.

JPK writes: Tuesday, August, 05, 2008 10:00 AM
Pelosi and Obama
just handed Michigan, Ohio, Wisconsin, and Pennsylvania to McCain on a silver platter. If only he would wake-up.
JPK writes: Tuesday, August, 05, 2008 9:57 AM
Libs Are Wrong, Again
If one takes into account the off-shore sites, ANWR, as well as lands within the CONUS, as well as shale, coal, and nuclear power, the US could reduce its foreign imports by half within 20 years. Sixty percent of the oil we consume currently is used for power generation. Nuclear and clean burning coal could replace oil in 85% of our electrical grid. Of course the Climate Change lobby hates coal, and the moonbats hate nuclear power. The demand on oil supplies from the US isn't driven soley but automobiles, and getting our power grid off of oil powered turbines would reduce our imports by at least 15%. That in itself would drive down oil prices by at least $15/barrel.

There's enough shale in the Rockies to produce 1.5 trillion barrels of oil. Couple that with nearly 250 billion barrels of known reserves currently off limits, and a coal supply that could power the nation for the next 400 years, and you have some pretty quick solutions to this problem. Yet, the Libs will have none of it. They are bound and determined to make this a nation of paupers enslaved by liberal elites. Go to Michigan to see it for yourself.
Alex writes: Tuesday, August, 05, 2008 9:51 AM
Nancy Pelosi
What is she using for brains? If we use the strategic reserve it will have to be replaced and it will have little effect on price.She says it will take ten years for drilling to have effect on prices.If we do nothing,what do we do ten years from now when we still need oil? How long will it take for alternative energy to be developed? Mr President invoke Article II section 3 NOW!!
activated writes: Tuesday, August, 05, 2008 9:01 AM
lets not drill
because it will do no good, even if we could produce 10 billion barrels a day, the price would only go down $.03. And I know some struggling families that are hard pressed to keep food on the table, I advised them to stop buying food as it will only decrease the amount they eat by .002 oz. a day.
hvs writes: Tuesday, August, 05, 2008 8:41 AM
It bears repeating
that any NEW domestic oil & gas production is a good thing for US citizens.

The price level of this commodity is determined by international markets that dwarf US oil companies in size, scope and influence. If speculation has been the sole source of rapid price increases then that aberration will disappear (is disappearing) as the markets correct. All speculative bubbles deflate....Hunt silver, the 2000 tech bubble, and the recent frenzy in residential real estate.

The compelling reason to produce more domestic energy is to stem the flow of US wealth from this country to the pockets of countries that despise the US. At the current rate, in eight years, we will have transferred 8 TRILLION dollars to the coffers of countries that provide NOTHING for our country in the way of national security, reciprocal trade or even ideological same mindedness.

To claim that new domestic oil production is not a national security issue is the height of ignorance and arrogance.

Hawkeye writes: Tuesday, August, 05, 2008 8:22 AM
Break-Up "BIG" Berkshire-Hathaway
Very Un-Sane Woman complains about Exxon's profits. Funny, Exxon's profit margins are about 10%. You can get this from there annual report. Not the gouging type of numbers the libs would have us believe. As a matter of fact, Berkshire-Hathaway and Google have profit margins in the low 30% range. Don't hear about "Big Berkshire" or "Big Google?" For those who propose windfall taxes, be careful, you never no who's ox is going to get gored.

Any connection that Berkshire & Google are dem favorites and contributors to lib causes? Probably no connection for the most ethical congress in history.


Also, don't the libs sound more like Hugo Chavez every day with there "obscene" profit mantra? When did the Democratic party become the Venzuelean Hugo Chavez party?
bryce writes: Tuesday, August, 05, 2008 2:33 AM
Ponyman
The problem is that oil markets are global. Any new oil we produce will go on the world market and the meager increases will be far outstripped by increasing world demand, hence no impact on speculation.

Bottom line, oil is a finite resource and by all estimates has peaked. Nothing we do will change the basic fact that demand will increase as supplies decline, guaranteeing(?) continued price jumps.

The future is alternative energy. And guess what? The Chinese are now spending nearly as much on alternate energy/green technology research as they are on new coal plants.
poyman writes: Tuesday, August, 05, 2008 1:36 AM
Brazen
That might be the real cost savings (although I think that it's more)in fisically obtaining a barrel of oil (versus purchasing one from the MidEast or another potential enemy country of choice) but the actual cost of the oil is estimated to only be about $80 bucks anyway....

What it accomplishes is two things:
1)It keeps the money at home as opposed to sending it over to other countries who undoubtedly repackage it in the form of payroll for insurgents to kill our troops, or as weapons to eventually be used to kill our troops. &
2) it scares the hell out of the Speculators around the world who are betting that demand will outpace supply which is responsible for about $60 on the cost of a barrel...

So the net effect is that we become energy self sufficient quicker than we will be able to by any other means and it deflates the speculation premium quickly (as we are seeing in the Market Place by just talking about it)causing the price at the pump to fall quickly (maybe to as low as $2.50 p/gal by Spring....

I'm not an Oil Guy but I know something about the commodity markets and about speculation... And, I would be willing to wager a large sum of money that we would be online with oil drilled from newly targeted sites (and I mean any of them) in 5 years or less from the time that Oil Companies are given the green light...

Now, if that were true, why wouldn't you include "Drilling" on the Solutions board with other potential activities needed to reduce the impact of the Energy crisis??
bryce writes: Tuesday, August, 05, 2008 12:48 AM
Ponyman
No defense of Pelosi from me, she is playing this for politics. But then, so is the GOP.

As I pointed out earlier, according to the most optomistic projections made by the gov't, increased drilling would lower prices by just over 1% some 10 to 15 years down the line.

S/A86 writes: Tuesday, August, 05, 2008 12:20 AM
a ringing endorsement of babakazama
from that stalwart of the American left, Wesley Cook, aka Mumia Abu Jemima:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYU9UFFBE9Y

Looks like Wesley doesn't want to be disenfranchised. He, and many in the dimocrat party, believe that murders roasting on Death Row ought to be able to vote.

Who would they vote for?

Does this make them a constituency for "hope and change?"

Just gettin' my diversities on 'fore Denver, dig?

Burn, baby...burn.
poyman writes: Tuesday, August, 05, 2008 12:19 AM
bryce
If Nancy wasn't acting like and taking privledges like the Queen of Victorian England she would have an up or down vote.... but she won't Bryce, because like the Titanic, her control and leadership would end up at the bottom of the Ocean and like the captain of the Titanic she would lose her commission (which I predict will happen in 2010 or 2012 anyway)... You and your Liberal Buddies

Ican here thecountry playing "Taps" for the Dems in the background even today.
Paddy O'Furniture writes: Monday, August, 04, 2008 11:52 PM
Max
It's brob.....!
bryce writes: Monday, August, 04, 2008 11:33 PM
Salty Alaskan
The point for me is that increased drilling to solve the energy crisis is tatamount to rearranging deck chairs on the Titantic.

As Pickens the oil industry guru recently reiterated, with the US only containing only 3% of worldwide oil reserves, there is simply was to drill our way of this problem.

Instead of investing resources in finite resources of the past over which we have minimal control, we should be concentrating our efforts on alternative sources. These are the future, and whichever country leads the way in this field will be to the economies of the 21st century as the US was to manufacturing in the 20th.
S/A86 writes: Monday, August, 04, 2008 11:32 PM
I have a question!!
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D92BL5FO0&show_arti cle=1

Read the story in the link and tell me...

Is this guy a dimocrat or a Conservative?

Who would he vote for?

What does he think of tax policy?

What does he think of babakazama's energy proposal (there is no such animal...a snipe, really)?

Would he serve in our nation's armed forces?

How did he vote in the General Election in 2000? He is in Florida, arfter all. Does anyone think he was dissapointed as the other dimocrats who regularly bleat here?

Denver...this month...ground freakin' zero, baby!!
DP in So Cal writes: Monday, August, 04, 2008 11:17 PM
(not so) Sane Woman-
1. Global oil production is about 83 million barrels per day. Forty percent of that is shipped through the Straight of Hormuz. Look at a map, if you need.

2. US oil consumption is about 1/4 of the world's total production, 20.6 million barrels per day.

3. The strategic reserve contains about 707 million barrels of oil. Or, about a month's worth of US consumption. Or, about a week's worth of total global production. Not terribly impressive.

Selling off the reserve would equate to a 1% increase in global production for about two years. Or a 10% increase for a couple of months. Then it's gone, all gone.

Using the reserve to manipulate prices would be a really, really, really, really bad idea. It would bring immediate relief (sort of like heroin). Probably a really bad hangover.





Salty Alaskan writes: Monday, August, 04, 2008 11:05 PM
Bryce
I was being somewhat rhetorical, but thanks anyway. You actually gave a reason for drilling, not against. I won't quibble with your numbers, but you agree that producing our own resources will have some positive effect. You haven't even included the additional jobs created, let alone the additional taxes available for the states/feds to pluck.
bryce writes: Monday, August, 04, 2008 10:42 PM
Why not drill?
I haven't read all of the comments here so forgive me if I am being repetitive.

According to the most optomistic projections by the gov't, if every proven and unproven US oil source was exploited today it would be at least 5 years before a single new drop of oil would hit the market.

Further, again according to the gov't's most optomistic projections, total production would peak 10 years later, and at that peak the new oil would lower prices by $1.44 per barrel in today's dollars. In terms of price per gallon that would mean approx a 5 cent savings in today's dollars.

Marlson writes: Monday, August, 04, 2008 10:36 PM
Her actual quote...
...on WHY she won't allow a vote?

"I'm trying to save the planet!"

Oh Lord...we have a radical in the house.
Marlson writes: Monday, August, 04, 2008 10:34 PM
Plain and simple..
...If Pelosi thought her radical garbage would fly with the people and there representatives she would allow a vote and let it die a justifiable death.

Problem is she knows her fantastic Liberal ideals are no good and will get shot down every time. Hence, fear the up or down vote.

Transparent. Pathetic. Far left nut.
Salty Alaskan writes: Monday, August, 04, 2008 10:25 PM
Question
Why would you choose NOT to drill?
swampthing writes: Monday, August, 04, 2008 10:13 PM
"Wuddoowedonow?": Libs

It even puts you squarely in opposition to Obamarama who, now, says that he is open to drilling. What a dilemma for you people.
swampthing writes: Monday, August, 04, 2008 10:10 PM
Libs and Full Speed Defeat
blueinredcty and mrparts,

Show us a poll, or polls, that says the majority of Americans DO NOT want drilling.

Okay, you can't. There are none.

The polls show that fully three-quarters of Americans want drilling.

You people say that you do not want drilling. That puts you squarely in opposition to the vast majority of Americans... with three months to go to the election and John McCain either tied, or leading, Obamarama, even though McCain has hardly lifted a finger to campaign. He's not even at full speed yet.

So, how do you figure that your position is the winning position?
swampthing writes: Monday, August, 04, 2008 10:02 PM
No Drill Orgy

blueinredcty,

You're right in there in the 25% no drill orgy with mrparts. As I say, it's not the side that wins this.
swampthing writes: Monday, August, 04, 2008 10:00 PM
Winners and Losers

[cont]

==... that clean coal, nuclear, wind and even
solar almost are feasible.==

Yet not immediately feasible. We have a more immediate problem.

== Include them in your special session.==

After we solve the immediate problem of supply of oil.

== By concentrating on what you call the "immediate problem" you are making it
clear to everyone that you are not interested in
a long term solution.==

That's YOUR interpretation. It's a wrong interpretation, but it's YOUR interpretation. I'm sure you're cozy with it.

As I have written, we have to understand that there are priorities, given the crisis. The most immediate problem requires the most immediate solution. The most immediate problem is supply of oil. Therefore, the most immediate solution is to increase supply. We have that technology now. Once we solve that problem in a special session, we can move on to other things that will help us further solve the long-term problem.

You want us to be bogged down in a bunch of arguments about a bunch of solutions all at once. The smart thing to do is to solve the immediate problem.

== Fify years of this crap are enough for me. ==

So, you're comfortable in the 25% don't drill group. That's not the winning side.
swampthing writes: Monday, August, 04, 2008 9:59 PM
Winners and Losers
==The oil guys have driven energy prices
so high...==

Except that it's not the "oil guys" this time. They are subject to the same speculative and market forces to which everybody else is subject.

The oil companies must maintain profits on their investments for their investors. They don't do this by raising prices willy-nilly. They attract investors by showing promise in investment and exploration. They need money to do that. So, the profit is going toward exploration.

The prices also rise based on supply and demand. Demand outstrips supply today. Inevitably, the price will go up. The key, then, is to increase supply. That is what's before us today.

The executives are entitled to whatever the companies and they agree will be their compensation.

Somebody looks at you, for instance, with your $25 an hour pay, and they see that you aren't doing very much, and they say that your pay is too much. They say that's why your company is charging too much for its product. You argue, though, that that's the pay they required you to take for the job, that it's not your fault. You will also say that the market has determined your pay.

The company will say that $25 per hour is what it took to attract you to the company, that the company needed you.

In simple terms, that's what it's about. It's not about greedy oil companies. They don't pocket the profit. They invest the profit.

[cont]
Salty Alaskan writes: Monday, August, 04, 2008 9:57 PM
mrparts
Which party has been in power the majority of that fifty years?
swampthing writes: Monday, August, 04, 2008 9:44 PM
CORREX
Lid Goes off Deep End >>>> Lib
mrparts writes: Monday, August, 04, 2008 9:42 PM
I've heard this schtick all before
Going back to the formation of opec. That was
almost half a century ago. Still no comprehensive
energy policy.
Guess what? The oil guys have driven energy prices
so high that clean coal, nuclear, wind and even
solar almost are feasible. Include them in your
special session. By concentrating on what you
call the "immediate problem" you are making it
clear to everyone that you are not interested in
a long term solution. Fify years of this crap
are enough for me.
swampthing writes: Monday, August, 04, 2008 9:37 PM
"Ahhhh, Vacation from the People!": Dems

Still, the 28% president has 100% of the authority, according to Article II, Section 3, to call Congress into special session. Congress has no say in the matter. If Democrats wouldn't show up, then the special session in Congress would be comprised of those who DO show up, and business would get done.

MR. PRESIDENT, PULL THE TRIGGER!
swampthing writes: Monday, August, 04, 2008 9:34 PM
Lid Goes off Deep End
==Then with his pronoucement we shoud be able to end the US economic downturn, that should be a done deal. How about returning the US deficit to the 2000 level by the weekend (i.e., 10 to 5 trillion)?==

Those things are not influenced as much by the power of the president's words as the oil market.

The oil market, as with the gold market, is influenced by situations in the world. Those situations are influenced, among other things, by words.

When the president said, "Drill, drill, drill!" speculators, for one, where the major force that reacted, and that reaction resulted in lower prices for oil. It doesn't work that way with the economy in general, although words have some effect there.

However, the oil market is word-volatile.
swampthing writes: Monday, August, 04, 2008 9:27 PM
Talk and No Action?

mrparts,

So, how many e-mails have you written and sent and phone calls made in order to urge Congress into special session?
swampthing writes: Monday, August, 04, 2008 9:23 PM
The Drunkeness of Liberalism
==What can I say? I'm a RECOVERING liberal! ==

Liberal is something from which to be recovering.
swampthing writes: Monday, August, 04, 2008 9:22 PM
"Let People Suffer!": Pelosi, mrparts
[cont]

== Do you really think the oil industry
is so popular now with high oil prices that the
electorate wants to see them rewarded with a
special session? ==

It's not about rewards. It's about paying the price for what we should've done decades ago. We made a mistake. It's time to correct a mistake. It's imperative that we correct the mistake, or, at least, begin to correct the mistake. Drilling is part of the immediate solution. A special session will take up that part.

The high oil prices are not the companies' doing. They are the doing of speculators and the market. The speculators are participating in capitalism. Fluctuations in the world situations dictate their speculations.

The electorate, now, may not like the high CEO salaries -- which are agreements between the boards of directors of the companies and those individuals -- though they see the crisis and the effect it has on them, and they see the need to let those who know about such things do what's necessary to get more oil in order to bring the price down.

When the president said, "Drill, drill, drill!" and the price for oil dropped virtually immediately after he said it, Americans got a taste of what it will be like when companies gear up for more drilling.

You, on the other hand, want to deny oil companies the money they need to invest and to explore for more oil, to take advantage of the resources we have locked up on our own territory.

==They might be part of the solution but we cant
count on them to be the only solution. ==

Nobody has said that they are the only solution.

We say that they are the most immediate solution to the immediate crisis.
swampthing writes: Monday, August, 04, 2008 9:21 PM
"Let People Suffer!": Pelosi, mrparts

[cont]

== T Boone Pickens says we need all the energy from as many sources as we can get. He says bring on nuclear, bring on clean coal, bring on wind and solar.==

According to Liberals, we can't wait that long. Those things will not solve the crisis now. Therefore, according to Liberal "thinking," we can't do those things.

However, the reality is that that is rotten thinking. Given this crisis, we must start doing what we should have done 10, 20 years ago, now paying the price for incompetence, ignorance and stupidity.

==You want to bring on a special session.==

Yes, I do. I've sent out 50, 100 e-mails, and I made phone calls, and I've been on a couple of radio talk shows.

== Go for it buddy.==

Don't worry, I am.

== When its all over with your Drill Only
Crowd is going to have to explain why America
should only have all its energy eggs in the
oil basket.==

That your assumption.

We're not putting all our eggs in one basket. We are jumping on what's most feasible right now to answer some of the immediate questions. Resolves some of the immediate issues. Solve some of the immediate problems. We believe that the experts can chew gum and walk at the same time.

swampthing writes: Monday, August, 04, 2008 9:20 PM
"Let People Suffer!": Pelosi, mrparts
==I am afraid, but not of a special session.==

Oh, yes you are afraid of a special session. You and Pelosi know what the vote would be.

==I am afraid of an energy policy that continues
to play into the hands of the oil men.==

Like those who put their money at risk in investment and exploration? Oh, THOSE oilmen.

So, what you're saying is you don't want anyone to put their money at risk in investment and exploration of oil, is that it? You want to control, say, my investments. You want to tell me what to do with my money, is that it?

[cont]
mrparts writes: Monday, August, 04, 2008 9:18 PM
Swampy
What can I say? I'm a RECOVERING liberal!
Salty Alaskan writes: Monday, August, 04, 2008 9:10 PM
mrparts
Can you point me to this "drill only" proposition and name who is part of this supposed cabal?

Of course you can't because nobody is proposing to "drill only".

If you are proposing "all of the above", then you agree with McCain. You should vote accordingly.

miss vicky writes: Monday, August, 04, 2008 9:07 PM
Closed minded Dems leave us in the lurch
Better late then never We can be free of the intimidating oil Nations, if the fools get out of the way! Obama and McCain agree, for the most part but wisely so McCain goes further with Off Shore Drilling and Nuclear power. Why half an effort? Is that because the Obamagans can't see the forest for the trees? What one track mind idea will the misguided, know it all fool "0" come up with next?!
swampthing writes: Monday, August, 04, 2008 9:03 PM
Flippers mrparts and Obamarama
==Bring the Special Session and we will see just
how many real friends the Drill Only Crowd really
has. ==

Well, we already know that three-fourths of polled Americans say they want drilling. What other friends does the drill crowd need in an election year? Why do you think Obamarama flipped over to the drill position? Suddenly, he and Pelosi are on opposite sides. heh.
mrparts writes: Monday, August, 04, 2008 9:02 PM
Swampy
I am afraid, but not of a special session.
I am afraid of an energy policy that continues
to play into the hands of the oil men. T Boone
Pickens says we need all the energy from as many
sources as we can get. He says bring on nuclear,
bring on clean coal, bring on wind and solar.
You want to bring on a special session. Go for
it buddy. When its all over with your Drill Only
Crowd is going to have to explain why America
should only have all its energy eggs in the
oil basket. Do you really think the oil industry
is so popular now with high oil prices that the
electorate wants to see them rewarded with a
special session?
They might be part of the solution but we cant
count on them to be the only solution.
swampthing writes: Monday, August, 04, 2008 8:59 PM
mrparts Goes Against Dems on This One...
...Wants Special Session to Show Republicans What For

Your Democrat tovariches must be saying, "What the hell is wrong with him! We don't want a special session because we know what the vote will be! Why give the Republicans the opportunity to show us up three months before an election?! Why interrupt a nice vacation!?"
swampthing writes: Monday, August, 04, 2008 8:53 PM
"Bring on Special Session!": Lib mrparts
==Bring the Special Session and we will see just
how many real friends the Drill Only Crowd really
has. ==

I take it, then, that you have e-mailed and/or called as many congressmen as your welfare income allows, after liquor store disbursements, and have urged them to leave their vacation comforts and to get back to work on "real solutions." You are going out of your way to oppose Pelosi, with a bird shot of e-mails and phone calls, urging her to reconsider adjournment.
swampthing writes: Monday, August, 04, 2008 8:47 PM
Stupor Democrats
The only "real solutions" Democrats are interested in are the ones served on the rocks by bartenders.
swampthing writes: Monday, August, 04, 2008 8:43 PM
All Ready on the Firing Line!

Mr. President, Article II, Section 3 is in the chamber. Just point and pull the trigger!
swampthing writes: Monday, August, 04, 2008 8:41 PM
Ready, Aim, Fire!
Load up Article II, Section 3!

Mr. President, pull the trigger!
swampthing writes: Monday, August, 04, 2008 8:39 PM
Vacation Time, Not Real Solutions Time
==It is much easier to point fingers
and try to gain political advantage than to
work on real solutions.==

It's extremely difficult to work on real solutions while on vacation, away from the place where you're supposed to be working on real solutions.
swampthing writes: Monday, August, 04, 2008 8:32 PM
CORREX
eager for vacation been working >>> than
swampthing writes: Monday, August, 04, 2008 8:29 PM
Vacation More Important Than Solutions
==It's only election year politics in
America.==

That's why the Democrats went on vacation. They knew what the vote would be.

==It is much easier to point fingers
and try to gain political advantage than to
work on real solutions.==

If Democrats wanted to work on real solutions, they wouldn't have cut off debate, adjourned and gone on vacation.

If Democrats were eager to work on real solutions, they would have immediately called the House of Representatives back into session. So far, they're still on vacation. They are more eager for vacation been working on real solutions.

swampthing writes: Monday, August, 04, 2008 8:25 PM
CORREX
would have capped the >>>> kept
swampthing writes: Monday, August, 04, 2008 8:25 PM
Libs Certainly Don't Want ...
... a Special Session

==Bring the Special Session and we will see just
how many real friends the Drill Only Crowd really
has. ==

If Pelosi agreed with you, she most certainly would have capped the House of Representatives in session. She didn't because she's afraid. As you are, of a special session.
swampthing writes: Monday, August, 04, 2008 8:22 PM
I Said What I Said...
... I Didn't Say What I Didn't Say

==No, the president's word does NOT have that power.==

Yes, the president's words DO have that power. The price for oil dropped virtually immediately after he said, "Drill, drill, drill!"

==The POTUS does NOT have the power to set oil prices and it is incredibly naive of you to say that.==

And it is incredibly bold of you to say that I said what I did not.

I wrote that Dubya merely spoke, and the market reacted. It reacted in our favor. Before he spoke, the market was up. After he spoke, the market was down. Happily, it continues downward.

I'll thank you not to misrepresent my statements.
The Very Sane Woman Who Points Out the Obvious writes: Monday, August, 04, 2008 8:19 PM
$$$
Hawkeye, DP,

Exxon posted the greatest quarter profits by any US company ever. Believe me, merely threatening to open up even a fraction of the reserve would bring prices down. The oil companies will just narrow their margins - and they will still make money.

This would still leave plenty of oil for a true crisis if it were to occur.
Pasadena Phil writes: Monday, August, 04, 2008 8:03 PM
Swampthing ....seriously
"Recently, the president said, "Drill, drill, drill!" The price for oil dropped virtually immediately. Based on his words, it has been going on ever since. Imagine how low it will go as we gear up for drilling and, then, begin to drill."

No, the president's word does NOT have that power. Considering that the government is currently the biggest market manipulator of banking stocks, I consider this "coincidence" highly suspicious. I would not put it past this government to be releasing SPR oil into the system. We already borrow against Europe's SPR of gasoline. No one trusts the government's reports on inflation or oil inventories as it is. The POTUS does NOT have the power to set oil prices and it is incredibly naive of you to say that.

Oil prices normally decline an average of 15% from July to December and considering all of the negative economic news, I would suggest that the market is anticipating a very sharp and prolonged global recession. That is the kind of "demand destruction" that would send oil prices spiraling. And by the way, the 200 day moving average for oil is $102. That is the level the price would have to break to signify a significant break in the upward trend.

Stick to what you know. There a lots of very knowledgeable people here at TH when it comes to oil but you have just excluded yourself from that list.
mrparts writes: Monday, August, 04, 2008 8:01 PM
Oh Yeah! The Libs Are Scared Now
The Repubs had control of both houses of
congress and the Presidency for four years
and they didn't get it done. Even Jeb Bush
wasn't willing to sign off on coastal drilling
in Florida.
Bring the Special Session and we will see just
how many real friends the Drill Only Crowd really
has. Bring it and maybe for once we will have a
real bipartisan comprehensive national energy
plan. Nah! It's only election year politics in
America. It is much easier to point fingers
and try to gain political advantage than to
work on real solutions.
swampthing writes: Monday, August, 04, 2008 7:57 PM
B [for "Brain-free"] Obama
==...he [Obamarama]wants to make the United States an oil free nation.==Anti-America Liberals say that drilling now will not help us. They say it will take too long to realize the first effects.

Obamarama says that he wants to make United States an oil-free nation. How long will that take? It will take too long to realize the first effects. Therefore, to use the Liberals' "reasoning," we shouldn't start working to that end.
miss vicky writes: Monday, August, 04, 2008 7:47 PM
Nancy you failed us, we will not forget
NOTICE HOW THE MOUTHPIECE OBAMA DISTORTS THE TRUTH WITH A MISLEADING WORD or two?! Example, he says McCains answer for all of the oil problem, is to just drill off shore. Pleeeeeeee McCain plans to do that and alot more! Attn: Nancy, I was happy that my Gender could hold such a high office and wished for your success. You're sup-posed to be sensitive and understanding but if so you couldn't have callously shut down Congress to indulge yourselves before helping broke Americans find a way out of their excessive gas price misery! I guess it was asking too much for you and yours to give up one week, of a five week vacation, to expedite a plan for relief, sooner rather then later! Where are your priorities?
Linda writes: Monday, August, 04, 2008 7:43 PM
Obama's energy plan.
Not to sound disrespectful, but I was curious, is Mr. Obama on drugs??? If so, which ones? I only state this because he wants to make the United States an oil free nation. As far as I know there is no country in the world that is oil free. Who does he think he is kidding???
swampthing writes: Monday, August, 04, 2008 7:41 PM
The Disconnect Party
The Democrats know how disconnected they are from the People.
swampthing writes: Monday, August, 04, 2008 7:37 PM
Outside, Not inside
==Please explain "All hat. No cattle." for those of us not in the know.==

It refers to a person who dresses as a cowboy, to impress, but is not a cowboy. Urban cowboys. Phony cowboys.
swampthing writes: Monday, August, 04, 2008 7:34 PM
CALL A SPECIAL SESSION!
Ultimately, there is only one way to solve this.

The president needs to invoke his Article II, Section 3 authority and call a SPECIAL SESSION. That would definitely put the Democrats in a bind.
swampthing writes: Monday, August, 04, 2008 7:31 PM
"Bipartisanship"????
What was that that Pelosi had been saying about a new era of bipartisanship??

Was it bipartisan to close down the House of Representatives so that it could not vote on oil solutions?
RichAlger writes: Monday, August, 04, 2008 7:30 PM
Explain "All hat. No cattle."
Please explain "All hat. No cattle." for those of us not in the know.
swampthing writes: Monday, August, 04, 2008 7:29 PM
Democrats Decide to Go on Vacation...
... Using Oil Instead of Helping to Make Oil Available for All Americans

The power of the president's words:

In the 1980s, President Reagan merely spoke of a vision of the Strategic Defense Initiative, and it scared the Soviets so much that they couldn't get their running shoes on fast enough to enter into negotiations. His mere words began a revolution across Soviet satellite Eastern Europe.

Recently, Dubya merely spoke, "Drill, drill, drill!" and the price for oil dropped virtually immediately. It hasn't stopped dropping.

Dubya is the one who has acted in the interest of all motorist-Americans. He is to be commended also for rescinding the Executive Order on drilling.

Meantime, the 9% Congress decides to go on vacation, having done nothing for motorist-Americans, and leaving things as they are.

DP in So Cal writes: Monday, August, 04, 2008 7:24 PM
San Fran Nan
Is serving her contituents well. Unfortunately, her constituents are the looney residents of San Francisco, and not We the People. It is to the great discredit of the Democratic Party that she was elected Speaker.

The sad reality is, the bossy, arrogant liberals in SF who elected her would be thrilled if Gas goes to $8, $10 or $12 per gallon. In their minds, they have convicted us for our way of life (and liberty, pursuit of happiness). They are happy to tell us the right way to live. In fact, once they get us out of our cars, they'll probably go after red meat.
Serina writes: Monday, August, 04, 2008 7:23 PM
Recall the Witch..

The Dem Leadership put her in, as "Madam" Speaker, and they can take her out..
Or else, They should be replaced by their voters.. Libs use gasoline and food just like the rest of us. That unqualifed (housewife) Twit.. is nothing more than a pampered Elitist from a gerrymandered District in Sodom, Sanfransicko.
Meanwhile, Nanzi needs to shut up, and back off from her Totalitarian impulses..
swampthing writes: Monday, August, 04, 2008 7:20 PM
28% = 100%
==Mr 28 Percent ...==

Yes, Mr. 28% who has 100% Article II, Section 3 authority to call Congress into SPECIAL SESSION.
swampthing writes: Monday, August, 04, 2008 7:17 PM
REMINDER:
Democrats Hate Voting When They Know Voting Will Not Go Their Way

==Mr 28 Percent...==

He's more popular than Congress.

==...caused the price of oil to drop?==

Yes, his words did. The words of the president are powerful. The price for oil dropped virtually immediately, and has kept on dropping.

Now, going beyond words, if we gear up for oil drilling to help Americans -- which Democrats apparently want not to do -- then actually begin drilling, imagine what the price for oil will do.

Of course, Democrats fear this, three months before the election, as a vampire fears the sun.

In any case, under Article II, Section 3 authority, the president should call Congress into SPECIAL SESSION to sort it all out. THAT'S the place for debate and vote.

If drilling will not make a dent, why are you afraid of a vote? Are you afraid that Democrats will be seen for what they really are? I think you are.

paddy o'furniture writes: Monday, August, 04, 2008 7:15 PM
blue
That would be interesting if the prices hadn't started dropping the day after Bush issued his order.

By the way, that 28$ thing? That's three times better than the Dem congress....
Brianbnc writes: Monday, August, 04, 2008 7:11 PM
koorbfen
Actually I can see she is a socialist, ChiCom wanna-be. And I don't agree with any of her policies.

But she was legally voted into office and we have to deal with it. You wishing she were out of office won't fix anything.

Just being practical.
swampthing writes: Monday, August, 04, 2008 7:10 PM
Democrats Create a Lie...
... Then Want the Lie to Persist

==Any thinking person knows that the 10 year time frame to get results from new oil production is an absolute lie.==

A journey of 1000 miles begins with a first step.

==How many of us believe the lie?==

As many who voted for Democrats in '06.
swampthing writes: Monday, August, 04, 2008 7:05 PM
Remember Two Things:

SPECIAL SESSION!

Article II, Section 3
swampthing writes: Monday, August, 04, 2008 7:03 PM
By Herself???
==...Pelosi who is stuck in latitudes, and is trying to save the planet!==

What, with a 9% Congress???
swampthing writes: Monday, August, 04, 2008 7:01 PM
Why Did We Go to Germany...
... Risk American Lives Even Though Germany Did Not Attack Us?

==At the end of the year 1941 the US entered a war we were totally unprepared for. Within 4 years we had not only completely mobilized for a global war but with the help of our allies, we had won that war. ==

Imagine that! We weren't even attacked by Germany, and we marched over there, a lot of Americans died and we won the war. Was it worth it? Of course! What was the alternative? What IS the alternative now?
MaryStella writes: Monday, August, 04, 2008 6:54 PM
Khurram
Literary; Khurram means Shadd, shaddi, delshad, just merrily vivaciously, or jovial?

Quite a differnece between Newt Gingrich, and Mrs. Pelosi who is stuck in latitudes, and is trying to save the planet!
swampthing writes: Monday, August, 04, 2008 6:52 PM
A Journey of a Thousand Miles...
... Begins with the First Step

Joe writes: Monday, August, 04, 2008 6:11 PM
It may take 10 years to get some of this
oil to market. And some of it may take 2 years. That is no excuse to hold off on this, start drilling. Dems are correct we cannot simply drill our way out of this, but we can certainly mitigate the damages on the way to alternative energy development (which will take a lot more than 10 years to do).

-----------------------------------------------------------
Joe, you have it exactly correct!

Had we done all this 10 years ago, we wouldn't be having this conversation very much right now.

Had we done this 20 years ago, we'd be talking about something else.

If we don't do this now, 10 years from now, we'll still be talking about this.

We should have learned our lesson by now.

Recently, the president said, "Drill, drill, drill!" The price for oil dropped virtually immediately. Based on his words, it has been going on ever since. Imagine how low it will go as we gear up for drilling and, then, begin to drill.

One final note...

The Chinese are, or will be, drilling off the coast of Florida. So, either they get it, or we get it. Who is on our side?

swampthing writes: Monday, August, 04, 2008 6:45 PM
Can You Say, "Special Session"?
While I support the Republicans in the House in their revolt, what they're doing doesn't go far enough. Time is short, and they should stand on the steps of the Capitol and point in the direction of the White House, in the fashion of Babe Ruth prophesying a home run, then march, deliberately, to the White House and demand that the president call Congress into SPECIAL SESSION.

This would choke the Democrats with just under three months to go. The Pelosi/Reid Democrats, Friday, handed the Republicans THE MOST pressing issue of the day, just in time for the election.

What could possibly be the Democrats' answer to it? Anything they say to justify the comforts of vacation would be taken by the People as unwillingness to do the People's business to relieve them of these pressures brought on by the oil crisis.

Again, all these Republicans, and some of the Democrats who support them, should hike down to the White House right now and demand that the president, under Article II, Section 3, call Congress back immediately into SPECIAL SESSION.

mrparts writes: Monday, August, 04, 2008 6:44 PM
Off Shore Drillings Dirty Secret
They don't want to talk about it.

http://www.businessweek.com/bwdaily/dnflash/content/aug2008 /db2008084_341769.htm?campaign_id=yhoo
Joe writes: Monday, August, 04, 2008 6:39 PM
There is no downside to running as Veep
I agree actively trying to get the Veep job will almost guarentee you will not get the tap, but runnning as a loyal Veep for McCain will not result in any downside if the GOP loses. There are very few conservatives who would turn that job down.

Mitt in my opinion would be a good choice if they run him on his business/economic skills. Palin would be excellent. I heard Rasmussen downplaying Mitt's contribution with Glenn Beck (because of Mitt general negatives more than LDS) and suggesting Palin is the best and guys like Pawlenty are neutral and "do no harm" to McCain. Cantor would be very good too. I agree picks like Pawlenty to not particularly help or hurt.
Reason writes: Monday, August, 04, 2008 6:32 PM
Stay tuned.
Got to love the Repub Party. Again, fishing for the ignorant vote. Of course, Obama was making a point that if we all did some simple things, we could save as much fuel as drilling may give us. INDISPUTABLE. Now McCain is pretending that checking your tire pressure is "Obama's plan." Are the voters that stupid? McCain and the Repub Party certainly thinks so.

For those who fancy that tire pressure doesn't really matter: If you are lazy and you do need air, put it in. You will see a difference immediately in the way the car handles. For those of us who keep up on doing the things we're supposed to do, try letting some air out. I promise you, you will want to put it right back in. Your car will handle terribly and squeal around corners.

Obama gives us common sense and McCain and the Repub Party jumps up and down, squawk and pretend how much smarter they are. Apparantely the Democrats don't have the market cornered on smugness. This Repub Party reminds of the Democratic Party of the 80's.
Cynthia writes: Monday, August, 04, 2008 6:27 PM
Obama's Energy Plan
I SOOOO want one of those! I don't suppose McCain would consider selling them as a fundraising item?
Joe writes: Monday, August, 04, 2008 6:11 PM
It may take 10 years to get some of this
oil to market. And some of it may take 2 years. That is no excuse to hold off on this, start drilling. Dems are correct we cannot simply drill our way out of this, but we can certainly mitigate the damages on the way to alternative energy development (which will take a lot more than 10 years to do).

So Nancy Pelosi is both crazy and stupid. And conservatives would be equally crazy and stupid if they help elect Barack Obama, especially with Pelosi running the House and Reid in the Senate.
Virginia Patriot writes: Monday, August, 04, 2008 6:03 PM
Words Worth Repeating
dlhiggy writes:

"Any thinking person knows that the 10 year time frame to get results from new oil production is an absolute lie. How many of us believe the lie?

We just need a leader who will stand up, tell the truth and give the honorable people of America someone we can unite behind. It's too bad that McCain is just another global warming, cap and trade dupe for the powers that be."



Amen, brother.

Praying for a Miracle In Minneapolis!
terry writes: Monday, August, 04, 2008 5:57 PM
Nancy is nuts!
Nancy: In case you missed it, Americans are hurting because of gas prices. Why don,t you get off your fat duff and do some work for a change. You and Harry Reid have all but ruined the democratic party.You and Harry hate everything. Instead of taking useless trips to report nothing new,why don,t you set down with the other elected officials and actually try to do some work.You,ve gotten all your family members gov,t jobs so now see if you can get some taxpayers some jobs after you and the rest of your cronies shipped most of them out of the country.
dlhiggy writes: Monday, August, 04, 2008 5:48 PM
Believing The Lies
The liberal nation destroyers tell us there is no point in drilling for oil as it would take 10 years before we would see the results. Consider this: At the end of the year 1941 the US entered a war we were totally unprepared for. Within 4 years we had not only completely mobilized for a global war but with the help of our allies, we had won that war.

Just one example of how fast that mobilization took place: There were 1941 model cars manufactured, but very few 1942 model cars, because almost all the auto manufacturing was converted to the design and manufacture of airplanes, trucks, jeeps, boats and other equipment for war.

Any thinking person knows that the 10 year time frame to get results from new oil production is an absolute lie. How many of us believe the lie?

We just need a leader who will stand up, tell the truth and give the honorable people of America someone we can unite behind. It's too bad that McCain is just another global warming, cap and trade dupe for the powers that be.
Joe writes: Monday, August, 04, 2008 5:31 PM
Thank you Nancy
keep up the good work. The more you act crazy, the more the GOP gains.

Medved had statistics that the only group truly outraged right now are the far left (about 10%-6% of the population). They are loved and overrepresented by the MSM, but ignored by politicians.

We have a similar group, the conservatives who hate McCain. They make up maybe 10% of the right (or about 5% of the population). They are going full circle with the nutroot left.

They are leaving the GOP to go to that land where the wild wind blows through the wild nut trees. They can climb branches there and chatter like squirrels and the left's nutrooters.
paddy o'furniture writes: Monday, August, 04, 2008 5:29 PM
Let's send Nancy....
...to the Stalin Disappeared bin..... :-)

Cheers
NeoConScum writes: Monday, August, 04, 2008 5:14 PM
Hang Nancy Plousy Right Around Barry's
scrawny neck. Right through early November over & over & over & overrrrrrrrrr.

Very fitting. Toast. Clueless TOAST.
koorbfen writes: Monday, August, 04, 2008 5:02 PM
Brianbnc: WHAT?!?! Are you daft?
Can't blame her for committing near Treason against the American people? She is a commie, and if you can't see it you are blind as a bat, dude. You completely amaze me with that stupid comment.
JamesB writes: Monday, August, 04, 2008 4:52 PM
There is
a huge difference between taking 10 years to go to the moon (with 1 vehicle) than to get all 300 million+ Americans off oil in 10 years. Even if they find an alternative soon, the logistics in a complete takeover are tremendous. Lets say we find a safe way to use hydrogen enmasse as fuel. What do we do with 200 million cars? How do we ship hydrogen to 200 million stations? Can the whole country "flip" their gas-burners to hydrogen or electricity over night? Face it, we're stuck with oil for at least another 25 years. Research and develop? hell yes, but 10 years is very unrealistic without a depression that will make the 30's look like good times
paddy o'furniture writes: Monday, August, 04, 2008 4:45 PM
Hawkeye makes a great point....
"Go Fever" in the sixties was the race to the moon. We had the inspiration of JFK and the competition with the russkies to spur us on.
We won...
This used to be a nation accustomed to greatness....to achieving the unachievable.
How could it ever have come to pass that we have people in positions of power who would deliberately stand in the way of our national achievement simply because they are afraid that victory or accomplishment may result in credit being given their political rivals and thus lead to the loss of power....?
Is this the kind of people we want? What's it gonna take to open our eyes....another bigger 9/11?
God save this nation.....
eddie too writes: Monday, August, 04, 2008 4:40 PM
Has anyone heard if Barack Obama

has really chosen Paris Hilton to be his VP???
poyman writes: Monday, August, 04, 2008 4:28 PM
It is SO CLEAR...
what is going on hear...

The Dems have a "wink and nod" game going on with the Environmentalists against the American electorate... They have Pelosi and Reid keeping "Drilling" off the floor for an "up or down" vote, allowing Obama (the Mesiah) to flip flop on the issue so he doesn't look like he is at odds with the majority of Americans who support drilling.... In the mean time, the Left wing Environmentalists have been assured that NO DRILLING will be approved by congress and so they stay in the Dems bevy of supportrs...

Actually, as pathetic as it is, it's not a bad strategy for the Dems.... Pelosi is guaranteed support from her SF base (so she is not going anywhere) and it is doubtful that the Electorate of NV will throw Harry out because of his tenure and Mormon faith.... Add those facts together with the fact that this is a Democratic Election year.... the Dems may very well pull off the stunt and be able to screw us Americans for two more years....

In the meantime, Gas will continue to increase, alternative energy will not be able to step up and replace our dependance on foreign oil and we will continue to send $700B+ a year to our Enemies Overseas instead of using the money to hire our own people to produce the energy here at home in order to make ourselves self-sufficient....

Please America, WAKE UP AND SEE WHAT IS GOING ON... If we do not get a Republican Congressional Majority, we will most certainly be in trouble over the next two years plus however long it takes us to fix this mess.
RustyG writes: Monday, August, 04, 2008 4:13 PM
Saving the Planet
The esteemed Madame Speaker is saving the planet by refusing to allow the USA to harvest its own resources and drill for more oil. I'm not sure I follow her logic. The Middle East and Venezuala can continue to drill and sell us oil. Silly me, I thought we were on the same planet.

Gotta go pick up the lawn chairs and bring in the plants. Edouard is coming to visit.

GOPsaver writes: Monday, August, 04, 2008 4:05 PM
Nancy is a Tard!
Every few days that go by Nancy will cost the DNC seats in the House and Senate. I though the RNC would lose 20+ Seats in the House and 4 in the Senate.

Even Hussain Obama is throwing her under the Bus now.

If the RNC would jump on the enforcement of American immigration law. The RNC might wind up the majority party after the 08 election cycle.

How many times in a row has Nancy Palousy lost to President Bush? And the socialist (d) voters call Bush stupid?
DP in So Cal writes: Monday, August, 04, 2008 3:11 PM
Sane Woman-
The strategic reserve should be held to alleviate any supply problems that might occur in the future, ie, to avoid rationing. It should not be used to manipulate prices.

Briggsy, please keep your dogma on a leash, and clean up after it.
GOPsaver writes: Monday, August, 04, 2008 2:59 PM
Write to the President (email this out)
Mr. President,

Under the rules of the adjournment bill, you have the power to call Congress back to actually do their jobs, instead of bowing to the will of a single Congresswoman (whether she be Speaker or not). As a VERY dissatisfied American, I demand that Congress be hauled, kicking and screaming if necessary, back to the Capitol so that they can release ANWR, offshore coastal areas, as well as the large oil shale deposits, for exploration.

We're sick and tired of all this Washington c rap out here, and we want folks there to start acting in the Nation's best interest, not their own personal power grabbing.

Many thanks.
GOPsaver writes: Monday, August, 04, 2008 2:56 PM
A letter to your Senator and Congress.
Subject: If You're On Vacation, Get Back To DC!


Dear Congressman (women)

I hope this letter finds you STILL in Washington. If it doesn't, I respectfully request you get your a ss back there pronto! I'm furious at House Leader (or should that be Fuhrer?) Pelosi going on five week's vacation without voting on our NEED for energy exploration here in the US. As one of your colleagues so rightly stated, the House is the PEOPLE'S HOUSE, not Pelosi's Politburo.

I expect to see you on the floor of the house at 10:00 today along with your fellow Republicans, demanding debate and a vote.

Many thanks.
MaryStella writes: Monday, August, 04, 2008 2:42 PM
All we Know, on June 2006,
When Nancy Pelosi then Minority leader, complaining about $2.92 a gallon gas price, promised "voters Lower Gas prices" and "Energy Independence."
Then, in 2007, regular gas was $2.32 a gallon, and mighty Dems. took over the Congress.
How can you trust Senators: Pelosi, Schumer, Harry Reid, to help the families to deliver whatever else they promise?
Hawkeye writes: Monday, August, 04, 2008 2:37 PM
Sane Woman
The SPR is for supply shortages, not high prices. Of course Obama/Pelosi say draw it down now and we will fill it up later. Problem is, what happens if before then Israel bombs Iran's nuclear facilities and Iran shuts down the Strait of Hormuz which in-turn closes down oil shipping? Oil overnight soars to $500.00/bbl. Think $130.00/bbl will look cheap?

That't the problem with the dems, they can't think strategically farther than their botoxed eye brows.
Salty Alaskan writes: Monday, August, 04, 2008 2:35 PM
Pelosi
Hasn't Pelosi been adamant that producing more oil won't affect gas prices? Now she comes out today and supports releasing oil from our reserves to lower gas prices? So if I understand her position correctly, it won't affect prices to access the billions of barrels we could drill, but releasing 707 million barrels we already purchased would? And she calls offshore drilling a "stunt"?

From the number of lackwits in congress, especially in leadership roles, it seems the art of winning election campaigns has become separated from determining statesmanship qualities.
Bea writes: Monday, August, 04, 2008 2:32 PM
This entire apathetic episode....
....delivered via Queen Pelosi and the Democratic Party is disturbing BEYOND BELIEF!!! Apparently, Pelosi equates her "one voice" more powerful, important, valuable, eminent, etc. to the of "WE THE PEOPLE"!!!!!!

Pelosi is an egocentric power-monger who espouses her own significance with every breath she takes: every other minute! Amazingly, she absolutely doesn't have (or does she?...hmmm, priming the band for Socialism????) any clue as to the harm her reckless political escapades can and will impose upon the American people. She is soooo in love with her power that she apparently concludes that no "wants or needs" as to "WE THE PEOPLE" could possibly EVER take precedence to HER (the godly one) ruling directives.

President Bush must move on this obnoxious and manic Democratic behavior forthwith: Call all the self-centered, out-of-control hacks back to work out this very serious problem.
Briggsy writes: Monday, August, 04, 2008 2:30 PM
CDub, it wasn't the UAW
who decided to tool up for trucks and SUVs.

It was those captains of industry who make the big bucks.

The ones with the golden parachutes.
CDubber writes: Monday, August, 04, 2008 2:26 PM
Briggsy - on the mark as always
"those geniuses in Detroit would squeal"

Ah, you mean Detroit, home of the UAW thus a stronghold of the DNC?

I assume that's the Detroit you're referring to.

AFAIK, it was those high-margin gas-guzzling SUVs that were the bread and butter (and source of hefty bonuses) for a legion of blue-blooded Dems over the last decade. Just so you know.
Briggsy writes: Monday, August, 04, 2008 2:25 PM
Sure, you have contempt for the
tort bar UNTIL you are injured and need an advocate to keep Big Insurance from screwing you.
CDubber writes: Monday, August, 04, 2008 2:19 PM
Makes sense to me
The faster oil prices rise, the sooner we'll feel motivated to invent a car that runs on happy thoughts and moonbeams.

Go Dems go!
The Very Sane Woman Who Points Out the Obvious writes: Monday, August, 04, 2008 2:18 PM
They Are Not Serious
The GOP are grandstanding on $4 gas. They are using the high prices to promote the oil companies' agenda. Pelosi is wise to disallow this form on disaster capitalism to run our government.

Think for a moment. If the Grand Old Party were really serious about bringing down gas prices, they would open up some of the strategic oil reserve. That would soon bring relief at the pump.

They are uninterested in helping average Americans. I know lots of people hurting.
Joe writes: Monday, August, 04, 2008 2:16 PM
Thank you Crazy Nancy
You keep saying you've got something for me.
something you call oil, but confess.
You've been drillin' where you shouldn't have been a drillin'
and now someone else is gettin' all your best.


These boots are made for walking, and that's just what they'll do
because there will be no gas to drive the bus right over you.


Obama keeps lying, when he oughta be truthin'
and Dems keep losin' when they oughta be winnin'.
We keep samin' when we oughta be changin'.
Now what's right is right, but Dems ain't been right yet.


These boots are made for walking, and that's just what they'll do
because there will be no gas to drive the bus right over you..


McCain keep playin' and is starting to pull ahead
and Obama keep thinkin' that he will never get burnt.
Ha! I just found me a brand new box of matches yeah
and the last can of gas will help me burn the capitol.


Are you ready boots? Start walkin'!


Keith writes: Monday, August, 04, 2008 2:11 PM
NoDonkey
How about we run them through an olive press? Or just render them, slowly. Just a taste of there final reward... Will we get crude or what? I do know it won't be sweet :-).
Khurram writes: Monday, August, 04, 2008 2:10 PM
Drilling And A Bubble
Many point to supply and demand, which is partially accurate, but the real answer is speculation. Savvy investors, known as speculators, buy oil not because they believe it’s undervalued like normal investors do. Instead, they buy because they speculate an increase in the price of oil. When more and more people want to buy oil, the price starts to go up artificially, regardless of the true market clearing price of oil. This artificial rise has caused a speculative bubble around the oil market, much like the dot-com bubble of the late 90s. For the bubble to burst, speculators will have to start selling rapidly, which will only happen if they believe the price of oil will go down.

The next logical question is how do we get speculators to sell? The answer is, to quote Newt Gingrich’s petition title, “Drill Here, Drill Now, Pay Less,” and here’s why. If the United States began drilling tomorrow, two things would happen. First, the eventual increase in production would slightly lower the price. Second, and more importantly, there would be a lot of uncertainty in the oil market throughout the world. The increased supply from the U.S. would lead many to deduce that the U.S. would have fewer foreign imports of oil. Out of fear, oil speculators would sell frantically, speculating a decrease in price, and burst the bubble.

http://technicallypolitics.com/?p=33
Brianbnc writes: Monday, August, 04, 2008 2:09 PM
koorbfen
As much I can't stand her, she has a right to do as she pleases in this country.

We can't blame her for the stupidity of those that voted for her.
NoDonkey writes: Monday, August, 04, 2008 1:36 PM
Big Law
Hey Briggsy, what's the profit margin of Big Law?

I'll take Big Oil over Big Law.

Big Oil produces something I can use.

Big Law?

Rich, slimy, worthless lawyers. Who are the biggest contributors to the DNC, BTW.

I wish I could fuel my SUV with rich, slimy, useless lawyers, but alas, I cannot.

Briggsy writes: Monday, August, 04, 2008 12:54 PM
It's unhelpful to expect the Republicans
to negotiate with themselves.

Republicans only know the one tune: Deliver all our hides further into the hands of Big Oil.

Both sides please step outside of your respective boxes.
paddy o'furniture writes: Monday, August, 04, 2008 12:49 PM
My side is getting more and more.....
....frustrated trying to get bacon and eggs from a bunch of pastry chefs.....!
Briggsy writes: Monday, August, 04, 2008 12:47 PM
paddy, I want them to skip the
donuts altogether and order up a muffin or croissant.
KGK writes: Monday, August, 04, 2008 12:44 PM
Oil , not our enemy
Did you hear or read BO's program for energy? It is a joke and he has made oil an enemy by saying that we Americans are greedy. If the USA used its oil supplies, it would last us for 50 years or more and it would give the scientists more time to actually make all these dreamy energy resources available to motorists. He flip flops on drilling. Yet, offshore drilling and oil shale is a real proposition and it will not take the 7 years he says it will. There are drilling rigs all over the USA and could be put in use over 7 months not years. The psychological hype he mocked would indeed drive down already gas and oil prices and with Pelosi being a Fascist who will not allow democratic votes for drilling, is really a dangerous blow to Dems not Pubs.
paddy o'furniture writes: Monday, August, 04, 2008 12:39 PM
Briggsy...
Here is an example of creative thinking by liberals:

You know Bob, I think I'll go with the jelly donut today instead of the glazed.....

Ken writes: Monday, August, 04, 2008 12:13 PM
Speaker of The House
One thing I don't get. How did a far left ideologue get elected Speaker by her House Democrats? It isn't like she is a middle of the road liberal - she is a flaming far left fringe ideological member of her party. Is this the George Soros affect on our society, our government?

Look at both Houses of Congress. Both have extreme far left leadership - how is this possible with the Blue Dogs and other more moderate caucuses? Was there some influence at play? Was there undo influence/coercion on the Senators / Representatives?

http://brokengovernment.wordpress.com
SEEHAWK writes: Monday, August, 04, 2008 12:10 PM
God's gift
"Don't Drill DemocRats," is truly a gift from above. Who would have thought with 95% of press coverage positive for Dems and 40% of the ignorant public thinking Republicans are still in charge of Congress(Obama's base no doubt)......Republicans would have an issue to stand on? God must be on our side.
Briggsy writes: Monday, August, 04, 2008 12:08 PM
If progressives in Congress are
uncomfortable with being thrown a bone in the form of a windmill or a solar panel or raising CAFE standards (scratch that, those geniuses in Detroit would squeal), then it is up to progressives to come up with some creative thinking.

Such as a National Energy Corporation owned by the People of the USA.

Such as selling futures against the SPR bucket without delivering out a drop.

We need to put SOMETHING NEW OUT THERE!!

C'mon Libs!
NoDonkey writes: Monday, August, 04, 2008 12:07 PM
Beat Her Like a Rented Mule
Time to tap the RNC's $$$ and beat this idiot woman like a rented mule.

I now believe that it's possible we could take back Congress and have a Republican President this fall.

Thanks to the complete incompetence of Pelosi, Reid and Obama.

People this stupid weren't born this way, they had to work on it.
theoilpatchplug writes: Monday, August, 04, 2008 12:02 PM
Nancy get off your butt and pass gas
Saw a post on a street fair on Atlas Shrugs in San Frans Nans district. These are Nancy's peeps and pople trying to get to work.
Cuban Pete writes: Monday, August, 04, 2008 11:59 AM
Her Royal Highness, Nancy Pelosi...
...de San Francisco to The People of the United States of America: "God Dam* you! If you want energy, burn your food! Just stop your whining and pony up your taxes!"
Joe writes: Monday, August, 04, 2008 11:50 AM
Pelosi the gift that keeps giving
When 75% of Americans support this, the smart move would be for Pelosi to play Akido Master and deflect the blow. Heck, they should out do the Republicans on this and embrace opening up ANWR too.

But instead Pelosi though up this stunt, which is by far a better gift to the Republicans and McCain than an up down vote ever would have been. Bravo Nancy. Bravo.
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