Tuesday, October 03, 2006
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Et Tu, Dean?
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Posted by:
Hugh Hewitt at
4:08 PM
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From my colleague's Dean's post below:
5) And yet you suggested earlier today that the House leadership should resign. What gives?
Their ethical transgressions remain a matter for investigation. Their political malfeasance does not. They got the word that a gay Member who had a reputation for lusting after young men and being overly chummy with the page program had sent inappropriate emails. How the House leadership could have failed to detect the potential for calamity here is beyond me. Call me a loon, but I think our political leaders should have a finely honed acumen for politics.
"Facts not in evidence" is the phrase that comes to mind, and as the great Dem-MSM scandal machine blows, it is important that center-right pundits keep facts separate from rumors, or at least to footnote the rumors.
I haven't seen any post making these three assertions with on the record (or even off the record) attributions. Dean?
Mark Levin just joined me in an interview in which we both blast the allegedly conservative pundits who are working overtime to toss Republicans under the bus on the basis of zero truthed evidence of GOP leadership complicity other than e-mails which major newspapers, ABC's Brian Ross and evidently the FBI all deemed as insufficiently interesting to publish with dispatch or investigate further.
The pundits/activists calling for hastert's resignation should be asking where those IMs have been for three years and why they are being leaked now? There is an innocent explanation --the Foley target has kept them and has now decided to pass them out, and that would be his right. But there are far from innocent explanations as well, and given the Rathergate example of two years ago, pardon me if I am suspicious.
These elections could put Nancy Pelosi in the Speaker's chair --third in line for the presidency--along with John Murtha as Majority Leader, John Conyers at the head of Judiciary and Charles Rangell (and William "The Freezer" Jefferson) at the top of Ways and Means. Given the stakes for this country's safety and security not to mention its economy, I think the center-right would be well served by a lot less posturing and a lot more digging from its new media members.
UPDATE:
An e-mail from a technologist whom I trust, but about which I am not qualified to comment:
w/o driving Hugh crazy w/pointless technical details, Instant Message
technology is a direct descedant of IRC, Internet Relay Chat, which is a
direct descendant of terminal session programs (aka TTY programs), they are
some of the oldest technology around, the IM programs are a "localized"
version of these programs with modern bells and whistles...
THE POINT; i'm am not aware of ANY IM program that "logs", that is records,
IM chat sessions "out of the box", UNLESS YOU TURN THAT FEATURE ON
SPECIFICALLY, most people, in study after study, this is around 70 - 80
PERCENT of all users, NEVER CHANGE THE DEFAULT SETTINGS OF THE PROGRAMS THEY
USE....
FWIW, so my EXPERT OPINION, as i would testify to under oath, is that for
the large number of Foley IM's that are appearing now in the MSM, there is
something VERY PECULIAR going on here, as the only way they could have been
recorded was by the users either turning on the "logging" feature, which
would be quite unusual OR by EACH SPECIFIC USER PRINTING OUT EACH OF THE
CHAT SESSIONS BEFORE THEY CLOSED THE IM PROGRAM OR SHUT OFF THE
COMPUTER...which is ***EVEN*** more unusual, given the LARGE NUMBERS of IM
Chat sessions which are now coming forward....
BOTTOM LINE: my 'gut hunch', if we only had a couple of IM sessions
available, i think this was all just happenstance, but with 50+ IM's
available and more supposedly available...THIS IS A COMPLETE BLACK BAG JOB,
a political "action op" that has probably been in the works since 2002 or
2003...
Contra e-mail:
As an IT professional for over 25 years, I can assure you that the vast majority of instant messaging clients indeed DO log everything sent and received by default. In fact, I cannot think of any clients that do not log all conversations by default, past or present.
Your friendly meighborhood software developer,
Contra-contra e-mail:
Hugh,
What kid of that age still has the same computer, with the same hard drive, with the same operating system for 3 years?
Answer? ALMOST NONE! AND WHAT TECHNOLOGY WAS AVAILABLE 3 YEARS AGO.
Even most home computers are at least reloaded, maintenance, defragged or whatever. This was a 16 year old kid who probably used the PC for school work, the internet and gaming!
After 3 years, the system would have slowed down, been reloaded, had a new operating system loaded, been upgraded or whatever. KIDS KNOW THIS AND DO IT ALL THE TIME. Kids upgrade their computers they way kids in the 1970's tricked out their cars or bought hot stereo equipment.
These messages HAD to have been copied off at the time, logged or printed.
Contra-contra-contra e-mail:
Your CALLER was essentially representative of the people who use session logging, MANY Parents and System Adminstrators on corporate networks WILL TURN ON 'session logging', but it has to be TURNED ON, and then the logs have to stored and viewed. but you have to DOWNLOAD the program and install, it can also be turned on by using the "Parental Controls" in some IM programs... AOL Instant Messenger (the number one most used IM client) makes you ADD session logging software, exactly as your last caller said. i'm looking for additional specific links now, but for starters see below; http://www.askbobrankin.com/keystroke_logging.htmlI Lost My Baby, My Pickup, and My Guitar on the Information Highway There are a variety of ways to track keystrokes and log instant messaging sessions, but let me offer a word of caution before we go there. If your friend believes that her husband's affections may be wandering, the best tool to address the problem really isn't a computer. Spying on someone you love, with or without the aid of technology, is ugly. Consider that you may learn things that are very painful, or that you may anger the other party when the subterfuge is revealed. A good old-fashioned OFFLINE chat or a counseling session (with or without the spouse) may be the most direct, and most effective way to get to the bottom of it all. That said, most instant messaging programs either have session logging built in, or you can install a third-party plugin to enable logging. A quick web search will show you where to find those plugins. Also, the Google Toolbar will archive and allow you to search email from Gmail, Outlook, Outlook Express, Netscape Mail and Thunderbird; Web pages you have visited; files on your computer, including text, Word, Excel, Powerpoint, image, audio, and video files; and yes... chats from AOL, AOL Instant Messenger, and MSN Messenger. There are also general purpose loggers that can track every keystroke that is sent or received. I won't provide any links to those, because I've never used them, recommend against them for ethical reasons, and wouldn't trust them on my computer. The problem with all of these logging utilities is that they are detectable, either in the Windows system tray, Task Manager or by anti-virus and anti-spyware software. So what happens if the suspected infidel finds out that he or she is being spied upon? Chances are it will either shatter whatever trust remains in the relationship, or they'll just find another venue to communicate. The chances of ending up in a win-win situation are very slim. here's some logger s/w; you will note they ADD logging capabilities; http://www.mingsoft.com/
One more:
here's a d/l site that specializes in loggers, you will note, just from reading the program descriptions, that most of the features are stated NOT to exist in the basic IM clients, but have to be added;
"your friendly neighborhood software developer" is missing the point...Corporate System Admins ***WILL*** routinely turn on session logging (as i have done when i was a SysAdmin)....we NOT talking about corporate networks, we're talking about personal PC's
the money graf; about 7 para's down in the "About" section....
" AOL has recently released its new client software, AIM Triton. Triton is an overhauled version of the AIM client, which has many of the features from the popular third party plug-ins, including tabbed messages and AIM logging. Triton replaces the classic AIM client software. Along with the release of Triton, AOL opened up AIM for developers, allowing anybody to create a plug-in, or AIM custom client for Windows. People may also embed AIM online presence on their websites."here's the "Triton" version history, NOTE ALL AOL TRITON version are from 2006, the "Preview" version wasn't out until August 2006
Versions
AIM has had the following current official versions available at http://www.aim.com :
and, finally,
OK, I WAS ***TRYING TO AVOID THIS***, The Geeky Details....
The Top Chat Clients Are (in order of popularity), AOL IM (aka AIM), ICQ
(the Rolls-Royce of the bunch, orig. from Israel, btw), MSN Messenger,
together they account for about 80-90%+ of all the IM network shares.
AIM (as you have seen), just added built in logging, ICQ and MSN have had
(depending on the version) poor-to-moderate logging abilities, depending on
how you install the program, most of the time you will either have little or
no logging, sometimes the "log" will be no more than what is called a
"buffer", which is a kind of "scratch pad" of limited size, that operates on
a FIFO ("first in, first out") principle, as your chat sessions progress,
the oldest material is "erased" and "written over", as the maximum capacity
of the "buffer" is reached.
a "buffer" enabled log is, BY DEFAULT, of very limited capacity, and
sessions will be written over, every few sessions, so there is a VERY
LIMITED retention, esp for frequent chatters....
UNLIKE a "buffer" based-log, a specific "session log" is a SEPARATE TEXT
FILE, that is stored independently on the computer's hard drive, and can be
assigned to pretty much any size the USER or SysAdmin specifies...BUT, for
the Session Log to be of any ***MEANINGFUL SIZE OR CAPACITY*** this must be
changed by HUMAN INTERVENTION....
BOTTOM LINE: NO IM Chat program could possibly have a default setting of
unlimited logging, BECAUSE THIS WOULD RAPIDLY CHEW UP THE SPACE ON THE
USER'S HARD DRIVE....
CORPORATIONS WHO LOG ***ALL*** THEIR EMPLOYEES MESSAGE TRAFFIC (INCL IM)
ROUTINELY HAVE TO DEDICATE HUGE AMOUNTS OF STORAGE TO THESE ARCHIVES...
the problem with many Geeks, is that they are susceptible to the
"One-To-Many" Fallacy, if we had been discussing corporate networks, we
would have had a very different conversation....Remember Ollie North and the
NSA email archives?....i laid down some large (UH, non-monetary, of course)
bets when they thought those emails had been "erased", the G archives
EVERYTHING, and then usu. replicates the archives in numerous (freq VERY
numerous) places...as Ollie and Brendon found out<G>
but, we're NOT talking about that, we're talking about regular Uses, BTW,
teens are QUITE AWARE of these loggers AND are very good at defeating
them....but, that's another conversation...
LEGAL STUF; If someone put a "keystroke logger" on Foley's machine that a
HUGE FEDERAL FELONY (essentially illegal surveillance/wiretaps), and would
be easily provable by routine computer forensics examination....
OTOH, you could "encourage" at talky person to come on to you and just log
and/or print the sessions w/o going anywhere near a Federal statute...
Just one more, on The Corner's discussion of this stuff:
They are completely tech challenged.. i'll make this really fast, around 7P PT, just got a chance to check out the IM thread on The Corner.... Trillian Pro, the IM Client they are MOSTLY talking about, is the Formula 1 car of IM s/w (the one i use, the first choice of Alpha Geeks everywhere)...if Hugh use IM at all, you should give it a spin, http://www.ceruleanstudios.com/, it supports ALL the major Chat n/ws AND IRC Trillian is very, very advanced, and does indeed enable logging automatically, and does indeed BY DEFAULT create a large session log, i don't have ANY real idea of how large Trillian's market share is, but would bet that it can't possibly be 4% of the total installed base (my instincts tell me that Trillian's market share is NO MORE THAN 1 or 2 %, total installed base, in 2002/3 it probably wasn't 1%).... in the 2002 - 2003 timeframe applicable here, the overwhelming odds are that both parties were using some version of AIM, in that timeframe AIM had around 70%+ of the IM marketshare, with ICQ and MSN splitting the balance, even if using the ICQ client, they were probably using it on the AIM Chat network... also, returning to the subject of the default settings, remember IM clients were very primitive in 2002/3, and even if there was a default sessions log, it probably was quite limited in size, and was set to "overwrite" when full on a FIFO algorithm, which means that the IMs retained would have to have a great degree of temporal consanguinity to be retained, the chances of IMs with a high degree of non-adjacency being retained a very small.... one of the reasons i find this all so peculiar...
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"The pundits/activists calling for hastert's resignation should be asking where those IMs have been for three years and why they are being leaked now".
Nope. We don't have to ask this. We know the sorry, sordid nature of our political opponents. Look Hugh, no one is guessing about this. We know that the MSM and hordes of worthless Liberals have been working this up for maximum damage in this election season.
What we do have to ask ourselves is this: are we different from them? What makes us different? So far, you're not answering these questions in a convincing way.
We are different, though Hugh. Many of us hold our principles above our political expediency. And for those of us who don't measure up to this standard, indeed the place for these folks is "under the bus." Out of the party. Out of the movement.
"These elections could put Nancy Pelosi in the Speaker's chair".
Nope. Foley's outrageous behavior and the feckless behavior of the Republican House leadership could put Nancy Pelosi in the Speaker's chair. The elections may turn out to be the vehicle, but make no mistakes about who is responsible. It will be those of us who in times of trial could not manage to focus their moral outrage. It will be those who danced on the moral sidelines, trying to shift attention away from the problem.
That's not the way a man takes responsibility, Hugh. If you haven't learned this by now, it's time for you to take a break and take a good look at yourself.
Finally, "et tu, Dean?" Ceasar's remonstration to a man whom Ceasar thought to be his friend and ally who betrayed him. This, you turn into a phrase to attack your fellow co-blogger who happens to disagree with you? Shame on you, Hugh Hewitt.
You haven't been betrayed by Dean. You've been displayed to be the "gotta-win" Republican whose priorities are sadly twisted. You've been reduced by Dean.
You owe a decent, courageous, principled man an apology, and you owe the rest of us an apology as well.
There is a time for the junk-yard-dog mode that you and Mark Levin manifest so well. Get this clue, Hewitt ... this is not it.
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If it means the Republican party will put the house in order.
If the Dems get power and decide to tilt at the windmill of a George Bush impeachment, all to the better. |
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I like what Dean said about a general of a failed campaign resigning. Hastert is the general here, and he should go. This doesn't mean the Republicans should go, but Hastert should.
Why? Because no matter which IMs he saw, he DID (or at least should have) see the overly friendly e-mails, which the House leadership deemed uninteresting. However, any overly friendly e-mails should have thrown up red flags, and at least warrented an investigation of some kind. These are people's kids, who trust the House to keep them safe, and investigations should be opened up immediately. Even if this isn't a coverup, it is inexcusable that they didn't think anything of this, and that incomptentence should be punished by removing the current House leadership and replacing it with fresh blood. |
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Former Congressman Foley correctly resigned. My hope and my money will go to help keep that congressional district Republican.
Paul- You write in the royal "We". You represent some organization or you just have a frog in your pocket? Otherwise, opinions are like a**holes, everyone's got one. |
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I am glad Foley resigned, but it should be remembered that Hastert did not see those IMs and at the time there was only so much he could do. If the leadership is forced to resign because of this then count on the fact that it will only make the dirty tricks dirtier.
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"Mark Levin just joined me in an interview in which we both blast..."
Not sure exactly what this is, but what you're describing is no more an "interview" than two badgers ripping the straw out of a scarecrow.
Stop reacting and start thinking, Hugh.
Think if it was your youngster--would you be so forgiving of the leadership?
Or think about how wrong you are to chastise Dean for being more aware of the political realities of the situation than yourself. |
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Hastert did not see any IMs, he did not see the emails either. That is the way the family wanted it. |
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Paul,
That's the same "logic" that the gun-control organizations use to go after gun manufacturers and put them out of business with frivolous law suits. "They should've known that their guns would be used in crimes. It's their fault that so-and-so got killed in a robbery..." That's pure B.S. and blaming Hastert for Foley is pure B.S. too.
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The parents wanted this to be kept quiet. Hastert did what they wanted. Thanks to the media it is only a matter of time before some reporter has a mike in their faces. So what the parents want does not seem to count for much.
And you know what? If these kids are old enough and mature enough to be pages then they are old enough to speak up if and when they feel the need to. |
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Funny how just as people started to question Clinton about his lack of "killing" UBL and his total lack of responding to terrorism, a report that 2 other news organization had several months ago and sat on it until now pops up!
We need to take the discussion back to what really matters: Terrorism and who will respond to it!
One other thing: I thought during Clinton's administration, the accepted response to terrorism was from a law enforcement position. If that were true, didn't Clinton commit a federal offense by ordering the assasination of another human being in violatin of several presidential orders? |
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What you say about the parent's wishes and/or maturity of the kids is a fair point.
But once the alarm bell has rung surely the potential risk to the rest of the pages demands more of a proactive response than apparently occurred. |
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What do you do when an employee, who may or may not be an homosexual, presents you with a problem relating to sexual orientation and a range of inappropriate activities?
You be the boss. He's gay. How do you know he's gay? Well, some people said he's gay. Is the kid gay? Who cares if the kids gay. Well, did the kid start it or did our problem child start it? Who knows? Ask him.
Who cares about the kids age? State laws vary. Is it legal for problem child to share innuendo with a 16-year old? Is he currently employed by us?
Are we going to remove Problem Child from his job for being Gay? Are we going to say that just because Problem Child might be gay, he might be a predator of young boys? And if he's definately gay, he's definately predatious? If we "single him out" are we discriminating against him? Are we violating his civil rights? Are we impuning his reputation without proof? Are we simply homophobes? Are we intolerant of gays?
What steps would you take to remove Problem Child from his responsibilities? Do you have enough money to ward off the penalty implications of your actions? Do you want to spend your gelt on a "what if" that is so poorly defined that your repugnance outways the rational?
Or should we exclude homosexuals from employment? Because, if they write to young homosexuals our business is facing disaster. (I don't know if the young boys are gay or not. But if they are, would that be a mitigating factor? If your parents are gay, would you want to get advice from an older, same-sex adult about heterosexuality? Would that be inappropriate? What about an opposite-sex adult? Would that be inappropriate?)
You can say what you want based on the freedom of "talk is cheap". What you can't "do" is operate on cheap talk. If you do, your attorney will no longer be a good friend, but he will be well paid. |
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Why des Dean feel th need to point out the sexual orientation of Foley in what appears to be a negative way? Could it be homophobia? Of course, he's a democrat so he always gets the Free Get Out of Political Correctness Jail, but one can't help but wonder if a Republican made such a comment, what would the focus of the Old Media be? |
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I am (IM?) just wondering...
If the IM's were logged, it would probably be from the gov't side? If there's been a history of "hacking" the Republican servers, what would stop an operative from snagging the logs and then leaking them to the press and not the FBI?
You know, for political purposes?
I don't care much for conspiracy theories, but I do think an investiagation is warranted and that Denny Hastert is worth believing unless the facts warrant a change of heart.
I suspect dirty tricks - Like was done to Arnold recently in CA.... |
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