Sunday, August 17, 2008
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Obama's Credibility Gap --Large and Growing
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Posted by:
Hugh Hewitt at
4:09 PM
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One of the great aspects of the new blog/feed put together by Peter Robinson and Rob Long is that it allows for a quick survey of all the recent blog posts from the collected center-right authors, which in turn allows for a consensus to reveal itself pretty quickly.
The consensus on yesterday's forum at Saddleback Valley Community Church is that Senator McCain had an exceptional night, that Rick Warren pulled off a very difficult job, and that Senator Obama was smooth as usual except for his "above my pay grade" gaffe, which is one of those phrases that will stick and hurt.
Obama also had on display yesterday a very troubling slipperiness that is increasingly defining him. The senator has tried, somewhat successfully for the time being, to slip away from his associations with Jeremiah Wright, Tony Rezko, William Ayers and Bernadine Dohrn.
He has also managed to slip into a "reformer" shtick that has zero connection to his hyper-partisan voting record.
But yesterday he tried to slip past at least two issues on which such obfuscation shouldn't work --same sex marriage and Senate ethics reform.
My point here is not to argue the policy positions Obama takes, but to point out his firm denial of his real positions on both issues. He flat out distorted his positions, and did so without even an arched eye-brow from the MSM.
The transcripts of the interviews are here. (HT: Red County).
Obama's distortion of events with regards to Senate ethics reform came up when Rick Warren asked for "an example of when you went against party loyalty and maybe even against your own best interest for the good of America?"
Obama replied:
Well, I'll give you an example that in fact I worked with John McCain on, and that was the issue of campaign ethics reform and finance reform. That wasn't probably in my interest or his for that matter because the truth was both Democrats and Republicans sort of like the status quo and I was new to the Senate and it didn't necessarily engender a lot of popularity when I started saying, you know, we are going to eliminate meals and gifts from corporate lobbyists. I remember one of my colleagues whose name will be unmentioned who said, "Well, where do you expect us to eat, McDonalds?" and I thought, well, actually, a lot of opur constituents probably do eat at McDonald's so that wouldn't be such a bad thing. I think we were able to get a bill passed that hasn't made Washington perfect but at least it [is] moving things forward.
Put aside the cloying identification with the McDonald's customers and the wonderfully convenient story of the unnamed senator's cravenness, and just focus on the facts. Recall, Obama cited McCain here as his cover for acting in a bipartisan or non-partisan fashion. The detailed account of this "teamwork" from David Freddoso's new book --pp. 97-99, puts the lie to Obama's account. In fact Obama approached McCain and "promised to work with him seriously on a bipartisan lobbying and ethics reform package," in February 2006. After some work "McCain thought they had an agreement." Freddoso continues:
Then Obama's party leaders took him aside and set him straight. They had an election plan, and they weren't about to have [Obama] ruin that by working on both sides of the aisle to accomplish something substantive in 2006.
Freddoso then reprints the account of the Obama double-cross reported by Marc Ambinder, then working for the highly respect National Journal. Obama sent McCain a letter backing out of the effort.. McCain responded with a blistering rebuke.
"I concluded your professed concern for the institution and the public interest was genuine and admirable," McCain responded. "[T]hank you for disabusing me of such notions."
No matter what one thinks of the merits of the Obama flip-flop, for him to cite his work with John McCain on Senate reform as the best example of his willingness to work against party and self-interest is more than just oily. It is deeply deceptive.
As was Obama's response to Warren's question on marriage.
"I am not somebody who promotes same sex marriage, but I do believe in civil unions," Obama flatly stated.
Here's a July 1 blog post from Democracy for America on Obama's position on California's Proposition 8, the marriage amendment on November's ballot:
In a letter read to a gathering of the Alice B. Toklas LGBT Democratic Club on Sunday, Democratic Presidential Candidate Barack Obama reaffirmed his opposition to ballot measures that propose to take away the freedom to marry for lesbian and gay couples, including California's Proposition 8.
This is a tremendous boost to our campaign.
We applaud Barack Obama for his consistent opposition to Proposition 8, the California initiative which would mandate that lesbian and gay couples be treated differently under the California Constitution. We agree with Senator Obama that all people should be treated equally under the law. Senator Obama and Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger join millions of Californians who are speaking out against Proposition 8 and standing up in favor of protecting fundamental freedoms.
Please forward this message to all of your friends. Urge them to sign our pledge to Vow to Vote No on Prop 8 today!
Sincerely,
Dale Kelly Bankhead
Campaign Manager
No on 8, Equality For All Obama lacked the courage to acknowledge his position on Proposition 8 and its centrality to the campaign for same sex marriage not just in California but across the United States.
Obama's casual deceptions are rarely commented on by MSM as its various arms work overtime to facilitate Obama's role as the reforming, non-partisan centrist.
In fact, he's from the way left wing of the Democratic party and has never worked across the aisle on any major initiative, and he regulalry refuses to honestly explain his long held positions. McCain's straight-forward, direct answers to all questions yesterday may have even been more powerful in stark contrast to the rambling, serial filibusters delivered by Obama, and McCain's answers did not attempt to distort key positions to curry the favor of the audience. As the campaign moves forward, McCain continue to be well served by candor, and Obama will continue to have to rely of distortion and his friendly dupes in the Fourth Estate.
It is an advantage to be able to say what you truly believe and to be comfortable defending the positions you have actually taken, which means it is an advantage for McCain.
UPDATE: Obama's dissembling on abortion and the Born Alive Infant Protection Bill is now so completely documented that even the Obama campaign is admitting that Obama's past statements on the subject have been misleading:
Indeed, Mr. Obama appeared to misstate his position in the CBN interview on Saturday when he said the federal version he supported "was not the bill that was presented at the state level."
His campaign yesterday acknowledged that he had voted against an identical bill in the state Senate, and a spokesman, Hari Sevugan, said the senator and other lawmakers had concerns that even as worded, the legislation could have undermined existing Illinois abortion law. Those concerns did not exist for the federal bill, because there is no federal abortion law.
And be sure to read about the ongoing cover-up of Obama's relationship with Bill Ayers, as detailed by NRO's Stanley Kurtz.
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as excited about McCain as you always are about Obama.
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"above his pay grade" was a cheap dodge. But what pay grade is higher than POTUS? What other decisions are above his pay grade?
Obama is pro choice. He should have said life begins at conception, but I support Roe v. Wade. Of course, Obama does more than support Roe v. Wade, but that would have been a more honest answer than the one he gave.
It is objective fact that human life starts at conception because that is when a human being starts growing. But that fact is an unconfortable one for pro choice people, so they argue that life does not start there. Given his voting record, Obama seems to hold it does not start until some period after you are born. |
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The Saddleback match up demonstrated two things about Obama, he is stunningly immature, and, he is a tragic product of affirmative action, which has left him obcessed with what he perceives is owed to him; thus, he is incapable of enobling risk.
More thoughts about this on suelangstaff.blogspot.com |
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When asked "At what point does a baby get human rights, in your view?," McCain answered "At the moment of conception." Obama's answer here was flaming-dirigible bad:
Whether you are looking at it from a theological perspective or a scientific perspective, answering that question with specificity is, you know, above my pay grade...
But what bowls me over about how craptacular his answer here is, did no one on his campaign ever anticipate that he would have to talk about abortion, such that he could come up with a better answer than this? Surely they would have had to expect it at this forum in particular.
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Really? You know the exact moment life exists? The second the sperm goes into the egg is that moment? Is it when the zygote is formed? Is it when the embryo is created? Or is it when the fetus has its first heart beat? So when Obama say's its above his pay grade he is telling the truth, only God knows the answer to that question. Mccain did what he did all night he pandered and recited campaign talking points, that is why he was so "decisive". |
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discuss the ethical problems of going to meet a church congregation and lying to them? It'd be nice if it did. |
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This election will be about the economy -- period.
Unless, of course, Cheney can figure out a way to "liberate" Georgia.
The GOP will loose. |
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Obama was awful last night. I wish MSM would stop sugarcoating his performance with comments about how "thoughtful" he was. The guy sounded like a moron. Somebody tell him to come back in 20 years after he has some experience.
Ex-pat: the economy is a factor, but I don't see any expertise in economics in Obama's background. All I see is a lot of Mickey Mouse government and non-profit experience in his background. The primary economic issue from which all others flow is energy, and he's on the wrong side of that one.
So what am I missing?
In foreign and military affairs, McCain is right about the surge and about Russia and Georgia, while Obama looks weak and uninformed.
In energy and the economy, McCain is on the side on pushing forward for energy independence, while Obama talking about tires, tune-ups, and alternative sources in which Nancy Pelosi has a significant financial stake.
And in the social issues of the day, McCain scores with the right and vast middle, while Obama's lying about his hard-left position on partial-birth abortion--and there is proof that has him lying dead to rights.
I'm finally convinced Obama is toast. He might want to go back on vacation. I can't wait to see the coming McCain ads. |
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"Really? You know the exact moment life exists?"
Yup.
The gender is determined at conception, as well as an individually unique DNA.
So, we have an individual male or female.
Next question.
Male or female what?
Human. |
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KUDOS SAM, YOU'RE MOST PERCEPTIVE! HILLARY WAS THE ONE WHO COULD BEAT MCCAIN AND THE SHORT SIGHTED DEM.,LEADERS ARE IN FOR A SAD AWAKENING! THEIR FLAWED UNDEMOCRATIC SYSTEM, FAVORED THE UNVETTED ROOKIE. BUYERS REMORSE IS PENDING! EX DEMOCRAT |
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WHAT HAPPENED? GIFT OF GAB "0", AT LOST FOR WORDS |
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Nice try !!! Just like a Lib to parse this issue down to the exact SECOND of life. You guys don’t seem to care about the exact SECOND of death when the aborted, living fetus is left in the soiled medical closet to die.
Memo to Townhall: Please install literacy tests IMMEDIATELY for all bloggers PRIOR to accepting their sign on. Then people like lgf82 have to evidence a modicum of knowledge on a given subject before opining.
The Obama campaign has just released a partial list of issues they feel are also “out of his pay grade” and therefore, off limits in future debates:
1) Any questions regarding Bitter Michelle, White-Racist Rev. Wright, “Unrepentant Terrorist Couple of the Year” Ayers and Dohrn, Tony “Slum Lord” Rezko, and Mayor Daley of Americas most corrupt city, Chicago;
2) Details on his plans for fixing the economy, environment, energy independence, Social Security, Medicare, and Education without completely torching the US economy and endangering National Security;
3) His honest opinions on abortion, Supreme Court appointments, Teachers Unions, what to do with Russia/Georgia situation or any other nasty spat he may encounter, and unilateral nuclear disarmament.
He is however, willing to personally demonstrate how to inflate your tires to demonstrate his compassion for high gas prices.
Your boy is utterly in over his head and the country is in store for a massive display of public embarrassment watching him implode before our very eyes. Next time find someone with a larger dose of character, judgment, and experience. It may stop your losing streak.
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Do us all a favor and stop cutting and pasting this weak sauce about Cheney and the economy on Townhalls various sites.
For the benefit of our readers, I will send my previous response to this drivel.
"Now I know why you are in Geneva. Do us a favor and stay there - it sounds like Europe is just your cup of tea.
You can't ignore situations like Georgia, especially when Obamaniac wants UN sanctions to define his foreign policy. With Russia in a new mindset, we are likely to see czarism on the move in other Baltic States, and only a tough McCain-like approach has worked in the past. (Remember the Berlin Wall??)
Finally, Americans who have been fortunate enough to avoid overexposure to Teachers Unions know that all of Barry's Income Redistribution/Big Government plans have been tried before and failed. Conservative Values as evidenced by competition, choice, free markets, and capital formation have been the proven hallmarks of Americas amazing, unique success that makes us the worlds preeminent economic power and beacon for the free world.
Tax and Spend, Big Government, Nanny State approaches give us what you are living in Europe. I'll take the free market !!! By the way how is the failing Cap & Trade experiment to reduce carbon emissions going for Europe. I hear they are running for cover as emissions have risen, and the tax hit to the EU is brutal". Nice Job !!!!!!!!!!
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Clearly John McCain was more comfortable in this setting than was Obama. McCain quickly launched into his answers, in my opinion, without trying to word smith his answers inwardly. I thought McCain faired better because he was more real. His answer to why he wants to be the POTUS was heartfelt and real. I think the McCain organization should use excerpts from the Warren interview in ads within key Evangelical areas. |
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Let me take a guess, you voted for George W. Bush? If your judgement on him is anything like your judgement on Obama I feel very confident in voting for hi,. |
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What happened to the new jesus massiahs at the forum? It was really as expected, a real failure to his fans. His answers were ridiculous and seems that he was really uncomfortable, searching for words that will be pleasing to his audience. Am sure the congregation was really shocked at his answers and were wondering where his experience gone. Guess he thought was talking to the Geremiah's group. He made a fool of himself, specially answering question on abortion and marriage. He showed his true leftist colors with the judges he would not have approved to the Supreme court if it was up to him. He really hammered the intelligence of this conservative judges. Thank God we have them at the Supreme court.
Beware of a make believe "christian" in a wool empty suit that will not punished his daughter with a baby! |
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Of course I voted for Bush!!! Did you think I would waste my vote on a man who threw his fellow soldiers under the bus and undermined the country when he came back from war, and tried to lie about it when he was running?? I leave those strong character types to you all on the Left – They seem to be in your wheelhouse. I can still hear Dukakis weakly trying to explain why he would not support the death penalty for the fictional killer of his raped and murdered wife Kitty. Sounds a lot like The Chosen One on abortion doesn’t it ???!!!. There seems to be ABSOLUTELY NO circumstance you guys could support ANY CONSIDERATION OF THE VICTIMS. I do see though that the DNC is actively trying to count these felons votes again this year. Great group of Dems you have there to go along with all the other victims, illegal’s, welfare lifers, and anti-American war protestors in your Big Tent.
I would tread carefully with this character issue since your boy still apparently feels “Ayers and Dohrn are members of the establishment” as he just stated in his over-the-top-I-protest-too-much 42 page rebuttal of Corsi’s new book. I doubt that is the opinion of the majority of the American public, or even the majority opinion of you kooky scamps on the Left, but Barry’s going with it unless or until the polls tell him otherwise. Great cast of old pals !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Like all Radical, Leftist/Socialist candidates you all seem to run, we Conservatives just enjoy sitting back and watch you eat your young. Barry got a good start on that process with his pathetic performance last night that even the DailyKookers hated, so I am EXTREMELY CONFIDENT he will do all the heavy lifting for us and, the McCain-led Republicans will save the country from the extreme Left once again.
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be Toast...Cluuuuueeeeelllleeessssss Toaaasssttt..
O, Yeaaaaaahhhhh...
Thank you. No..Really..Thank YOU...Please.. Standing only embarrasses me...Really... |
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You just proved my point. Instead of pretending like you know the character of the candidates based on phony news reports from Worldnet daily, or his "friendships" with people he has met a few times, vote on the issues and ability to lead. George W. Bush has been an abject failure, possibly one the worst Presidents in our history, definitely in the top 10 worst. But hey, at least you feel like you could have a beer with him. Talking about character, examine Mccains. Heres a man who cheated on his first wife after she was disfigured, befriended a man who caused the S & L crisis, has flip flopped on every single important issue (sans abortion) over the last 8 years. He OPPOSED Bush's tax cuts, now supports them, OPPOSED offshore drilling, now supports it, decried the "agents of intolerance" now embraces them, promised to run an honorable campaign, now says Obama would rather lose a war than lose an election, fought for comprehensive immigration reform, now opposes it, supported both Ginsberg and Breyer now claims he would never vote for a liberal justice, etc etc. |
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McCain doesn't need to define "rich" because he wants to LOWER everyones taxes and ATTACK SPENDING to fix the problems with the economy, rather than participate in class warfare like Barry does. Get it?
The top 1% of wage earners already pay over 30% of the burden - how much more should they pay for your failed Big Government plans? 50%...80%...100%??? Am I going too quickly for you ???
If you on the Left HAD A CLUE how the most basic economic principles of competition, choice and capital formation, impacted job growth and therefore, economic expansion, you might understand why America is great. Go to Europe for your Nanny State or better yet, start a small business and participate in the American Dream. Then you will see how the productive side of the country sees the issue. |
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"the immoral and unjust invasions and waging of war against Iraq"
Saddam is estimated to have murdered approx. 250,000 - 300,000 Iraqi's. And to be responsible for the deaths of approx 375,000 in the Iraq-Iran war...
Perhaps that is worth consideration in your moral calculus?
"The death penalty is also anathema."
Please provide the quotation wherein Jesus spoke out against the death penalty. |
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So here's my question; I know Barack Obama is a slithering, deceptive politician, and most people reading here know that too. But will the rest of the American people be told? The MSM unfortunately seems to bent on making sure they won't know, and that's how most voters get their information, right? So who will tell the people? I fear that in the end, with all that we know about Barack Obama as a politician and leader that is not good, no one will ever be told. And then all this discussion will simply be a moot point. |
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and the tax code is one of that "much"...
"the tax system in place is on a sliding scale - or it was before Bush/Reagan brazenly decided to further enrich to their wealthiest base and gift them with tax breaks that decidedly make THEIR lives easier"
Stunningly stupid and uninformed is that remark, She could read the comment threads such as Clyde at 9:25....but that's asking too much. |
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Since Saddam initiated the Iraq/Iran war, he should be responsible for the entire 1,000,000 deaths of that war. |
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Bush could see into the soul of Putan. I bet if Putan Had watched last nights show He hope more than ever Obama is elected. Its going to be painful watching Obama pleading with Putan to give back the Ukrain. |
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At least you have answered my question regarding Ayers and Dohrn, but I was confident you would support these bomb-throwing, anarchists. Or are you trying to say that Barry’s response does NOT indicate his implicit approval of them and therefore, their past deeds. I know, details, details, …
I have a tough time trying to understand the parallel universe you live in, but let’s see if I’ve got it. McCain is the flip-flopper and Obama is the one who holds every original position he takes ????????????? Truth is, lots of people change their minds, but understanding the reasons why provides a window into the content of a mans character. I’ll take McCain’s approach of doing it for a good reason like advocating more drilling because gas is $4.00 a gallon and crushing the economy, verses Barry endorsing more drilling because he is plunging in the polls and is desperate to get on the right side of the electorate on the issue. Nice character your boy displays on that one.
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But let’s stay really current because the news cycle is moving fast this year. You must have loved The Chosen One’s performance last night. Let me summarize his impressive accomplishments:
1) The three major influences in his life are his bitter wife, his white-racist grandmother he threw under the bus for his “long time mentor” Rev. Wright, and …drum roll please…TED KENNEDY !!! McCain’s were genuine war hero Gen. Petreus, black civil rights pioneer John Lewis, and Meg Whitman, the founder of EBay. Let’s give this one to McCain OK?
2) He cites as his shining example of making tough decisions by reaching across the aisle to work with Republicans was his work in 2006 with McCain on ethics reform in the Senate. It was a very unpopular and thorny issue and Barry had given John his word that he would support the bipartisan effort. But, darn it, those pesky Libs in the Senate went ballistic when they found out he was sleeping with the enemy right before a critical election, and, good lackey that he is, Barry caved in to the Dems, and broke his word.(There is that character issue again) McCain sent him a scathing rebuke and basically told him to go pound sand. McCain again, huh?
3) His best moment though was saved for his only transcendent truth of the whole night when he bravely informed the American public that, unfortunately, answering a simple question on when life begins was “above his pay grade”
Game, Set, Match for McCain. I know the truth hurts but maybe you guys will have better luck in 2012 when Hillary gets to run. ICAN’T WAIT !!!!!!!!!!!!
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the 10s of thousands of Kuwaiti's hauled off by the Iraqi occupiers, never to return. 300K for Iraqi deaths under Saddam is very, very low. Closer to 1-million. I was hoping that the Baathist Butcher would have been hanged on the edge of one of the 300+ Mass Death pits uncovered by the time he was executed. The film-videos taken from the air of thousands of dead Kurds, massacred by those Left-Denying WMDs are unforgettable. Thousands of women and young children.
And still the Kimmy Low Lifes bleat & shrill against the Evil Booosh who ended Saddam's Reign of Terror. Jeepers, they're the moral vermin supporting Barry. |
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Be careful you don't hurt Kims feelings too much. She seems to suffer from an extreme case of overexposure to the Teachers Unions during her formative educational years.
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I'm trying to be patient with you, but it would really help the IQ of our discourse if you could stay on topic.
In America, everyone has an equal chance to reach their highest potential regardless of their individual life circumstances. We are the beacon that attracts millions of people in other countries to us who are not blessed with the wonderful gifts our Constitution and liberties have provided each and every one of us.
Our values were founded upon the principles of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness which has freed us to invent an unprecedented economic system that is the envy of the planet. This system is based on encouraging healthy competition, creating choices of options, incenting capital formation, helping ALL citizens keep the bulk of their earnings with low taxes, and LIMITED GOVERNMENT.
EVERY US CITIZEN benefits from this efficient structure because it incents small business growth which fuels the entrepreneurial spirit that drives the economy, and gives each of us an opportunity to succeed. If you wish to take more risk and reap the hopeful rewards, you are free to do so. You will probably generate more income than someone who plays it safer, and works for one of our many thriving corporations, but at the end of the day, the choice is YOURS !!!
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In either case the CHOICE IS YOURS, NOT THE GOVERNMENTS like nearly every other country in the world. You see, individual FREEDOM AND ACCOUNTABILITY creates PROFITS. This trumps the bureaucratic inefficiencies of government due to the inherent waste and corruption that approach engenders.
So when you say things like “allow the wealthy their yearly bonuses”, my response is: 1) Bravo for Profits and Bonuses because that implies success, and 2) Thank God we live in a country where no one person, especially one as uninformed as you, or government can “allow” any other person to keep, or not keep, the fruits of their hard earned labor. You have just described how Socialism works, and you are welcome to participate in their failing experiment simply by moving to Europe. Why don't you give it a try and let me know how it goes. You might consider taking The Messiah with you because he seems to identify more with the European structure, and really needs to learn a lot more before we could ever allow him to lead us.
Do yourself a favor also and pick up Stephen Covey’s book “7 Habits of Highly Successful People”. It may motivate you to join the dream, rather than wait for me, or worse Barry, to take care of you.
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at a Saturday night revival meeting?
Could it possibly be someone who has just spent the past year pandering to the religious right?
Of course it's Johnny who spews all the snappy talking points this audience loves to hear.
"We love you John!"
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The contrast was striking throughout each man’s one-hour time on stage. When Warren asked Obama, “What’s the most gut-wrenching decision you’ve ever had to make?” Obama answered that opposing the war in Iraq was “as tough a decision that I’ve had to make, not only because there were political consequences but also because Saddam Hussein was a bad person and there was no doubt he meant America ill.” But Obama was a state senator in Illinois when Congress authorized the president to use force in Iraq. He didn’t have to make a decision on the war. That fact was a recurring issue in the Democratic primaries, when candidates Hillary Clinton, Joseph Biden, Christopher Dodd, and John Edwards argued that they, as senators, had to make a choice Obama didn’t have to make. And now he says it’s his toughest call.
When McCain got the question, he was able to tell an old story with a sense of gravity and poignancy that he seldom shows in public. He described his time as a prisoner of war, when he was offered a chance for early release because his father was a top naval officer. “I was in rather bad physical shape,” McCain told Warren, but “we had a code of conduct that said you only leave by order of capture.” So McCain refused to go. He made the telling even more forceful when he added that, “in the spirit of full disclosure, I’m very happy I didn’t know the war was going to last for another three years or so.” In one moment, he showed a sense of pride and a hint of regret, too; he came across as a man who did the right thing but not without the temptation to take an easy out. In any event, the message was very clear: John McCain has had to make bigger, more momentous decisions in his life than has Barack Obama.
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The intent of Warren was to ask blunt questions and, at one point, playfully warned Obama: “Don’t give me your stump speech on these." Warren did not challenge McCain when he recited his stumped speech. Mc Cain did not openly discuss his faith. Repeatedly, Mc Cain gave his stump speech. There was not anything introspective about his answers. Even his war stories were canned. While Obama quoted a Biblical proverb and spoke at length about his faith as a "source of strength and sustenance on a daily basis." Obama gave a Christian interpretation to his generally political views. Obama described many of his positions, even on taxes and energy, in the language of a devout Christian. None of this was forthcoming from McCain. When McCain was asked what his faith meant to him, McCain said it “means I’m saved and forgiven.” Then, he moved away from that as soon as possible. He referenced the works of his Southern Baptist church in Phoenix, and his reliance on prayer during his captivity in Vietnam. He never flushed out the answer. |
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I was surprise to learn that the most the most gut-wrenching decision McCain ever had to make was not leaving his sick wife. She had be faithful and waited for his return from war. McCain said his greatest personal moral failing was the “failure of my first marriage.” He did not explain why the marriage failed. There should have been further discussions on this. Warren, who was critical of former Sen. John Edward’s ability to lead after he admitted he had an affair, did not take this question to McCain. |
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Obama did what he has promised to do, to be a different kind of leader. He took the questions as they were asked and answered them honestly and personally. McCain did what he was used to, politicking and pandering. Of course, he stayed on message, because he gave his stump speech. So, McCain rehearse performance was better. We shouldn't be surprised, Hillary did the same thing. But after awhile people began to see that the sound bites aren’t sufficient and they drifted toward the more complete answers and solutions that Obama offers. I have confidence, the American people are smarter than they are treated!
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Katharina and I, kgk, watched last night and were first surprised how Warren was fair to both. After all, what the lefties on the forum do not get as of yet is : Dems for 50 years have been losing the Evangelical , many Catholic and Pentecostal votes. It was a strategy by both Hil and BO to court these voters by using rhetoric, certainly not actions, to convince these Christian voters to go Dem. Last night, BO was very clever but I doubt moved many Christians to his side. They will not forget the Dem Platform or his views on abortion, capital punishment, appointment of jurists, war and peace, partical birth, redistribution of someone else's wealth, and of course other issues such as tax hikes, and energy=drill, drill et al. And most surprising of all, McCain was actually a real person. Sure he is flawed but compared to Obama, one can instantly , if not a radical, see who is really ready to be President. And it is not the faux Messiah. |
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I was totally moved by McCain's answer. I would rather hear an honest anwser that BS. McCain didn't try to hide the fact that he is not a weekly church goer. Frankly, no church or Jeramiah Wright's Church... I would prefer my next POTUS to not go to church than know that he sat in that racist, scumbag audience.
Let's also review that there shall be no religious test as set forth in the Constitution.
Wrong again Lydia/Kimbers. |
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I was completely blown away with his humility when answering this question. It showed he could discuss a rotten period of his life. My heart was totally softened to hear a man admit to a regret from 30 years ago. In addition, this issue is 3 decades old and has been vetted over and over. John McCain is not perfect, but his answer shows he has humility and the last 30 years has shown to me he has proven he can be a faithful man and a family man. |
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Oh brother. Call it what you want, but McCain wiped the floor with Obama. Even Andrea Mitchell on MSNBC admits Obama's team must be disappointed with his performance. Yeah, Obama is a different kind of leader... the kind that doesn't lead and the kind that can fool the foolish. |
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We must have been watching a different debate. The one I saw showed a confident McCain exposing his well thought out, experienced, passionate point of view. If it seemed rehearsed, well unlike Barry, he is not a virgin to this process. I guess you missed The Messiah's heart felt, but refreshinigly honest answer to that beastly tough question regarding the point at which life begins with his now epic retort...drum roll please... "providing specificity on that question is out of my pay grade". Is this the guy America should trust to lead the greatest country in the world??????????
He couldn't stop there though and continued to expose himself as weak, uninformed, nuanced, and clueless. He offered that his finest example of reaching across the aisle to work with Republicans was when he promised to team with McCain on ethics reform in 2006. Problem is after giving Mac his word to cooperate, he caved to pressure from the do-nothing Dems in the Senate who scolded him for helping Mac with critically needed legislation just before the 2006 mid term election. Being the gutless lackey that he is, he wrote Mac to tell him he changed his mind. Mac thanked him for showing his true colors to Mac so early in his career, and promised to never trust his word again. And THAT is his crowning achievement ???????????????? This type of transparency works well with Dems until real thinking voters (you know who we are) start to inspect the latest candidates the Dems roll out each election cycle.
Looks like another tough year is in store for you all on the Left. Maybe things will go better in 2012 when Hillary can finally run. She would have been a much better candidate this time around also, but you guys always seem to come through at the right time and eat your young. Thanks for the gift!!!!!!!!!!! |
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..anyone who thinks the sky is going to open like a scroll and Jesus is going to descend from the sky is likely to also be bamboozled into thinking that Mac won that joint appearance. There is a crowd that likes simplistic answers and flimflam narratives. Those folks will vote for the Reeps every time. But clearly, Barack is the serious guy between the two. He is reflective, smart, and humble. McCain is just another hustler. |
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I thought you liberals were sure that Barack was going to decend from the sky in all his glory. hmm.
I'm just a bitter, gun clinger, but here is where your wrong.
McCain's answers were simplistic on the surface so idiots like you could understand, but to the rest of us, there was a depth that could be felt in body and spirit. McCain was very transparent and gave crisp answers. Barack rambled and did more um.. um, uh, I, I, I, we, well, um, um and on and on it went. He was clearly still in Hawaii on vacation. |
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The Cult of Personality has always worked with the weak minded and you fit the bill perfectly. Go on thinking Barry is the man while he steps on his Johnson all the way to Denver. Word has it his campaign is coming up with more issues that they have discovered are "above his pay grade" and are pleading with their surrogates monderating future debates to stear clear of them for the sake of the Liberal/Socialists in the country. Inside information obtained through Fox News shows the list of "pay grade" issues include Basic Economic Principles of America, Why Raising Taxes Brings in Less Revenue to the Treasury, How to Appear Competent in International Disputes Without the Help of the UN, and ABSOLUTELY NO QUESTIONS ON HIS SHADY PAST ASSOCIATIONS WITH PEOPLE NAMED WRIGHT, AYERS, DOHRN, OR REZKO !!!!!!!!!!! |
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Take care with PatLib. I think he has run out of his meds for the day because he seems less coherent than usual-if that's possible !! I think Barry was still distracted with trying to settle on a cogent position with regards to the Russia/Georgia issue that he has consistently fumbled since he's been on vacation. So far I have counted five different positions he has taken since it started, before he finally stooped to pleading with Biden to go over there and try to talk the Russians to death. Unfortunately Biden had lunch with Al Gore before he left and Gore cast some voodoo global warming curse on him by mistake. The unfortunate result has been that whenever Biden opens his mouth to speak, he sucks all of the CO2 out of the atmosphere. This in turn is really pissing off all of the Europeans because they can't justify their new Cap & Trade carbon emissions plans any longer, and are scrambling to see what massive new tax they can invent to pay for their rapidly failing Socialist programs. So please cut bitter PatLib some slack !!! |
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I refused to watch the Saddleback Valley happening--I had to rearrange my socks or such. Two rather weak on the Constitution candidates brought to us by a motivational speaker. Yes, my socks and such needed tending. I will vote for McCain as he is somewhat less dangerous than the Chicago Machine/Sol Alinsky/William Ayers/Malcom X/ Abortion for Fun and Profit/ Friend of the PLO Obama, but only marginally.
We are in for a rough four years at best. And why is a Ex-pat in Geneva interested? Be a good Ex-pat and shut up or we'll send Cheney over there and "liberate" Switzerland. |
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his...errr...'Johnson'. Trust me.
Sticking his entire shoe store into that Clueless Flapping Hole in his face...Now, you're talkin'. Which would likewise apply to the yutz you're jousting with here. Again, trust me. |
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As a socialist, Obama believes in complete equality of income for everyone, with no one entitled to be "richer" than anyone else.
To achieve this equality, Obama would like to mandate that ALL wages for ALL jobs in the United States should be equalized at the current national average wage. The current national average wage is something like $40,000/year per job. So all jobs should pay this amount.
Now, that would be total equality -- everyone would earn the same thing. That means that airline pilots would earn the same thing as cab drivers; doctors would earn the same thing as janitors; engineers designing bridges would earn the same thing as burger-flippers at McDonalds; the researcher who invents life-saving antibiotics would earn the same as the shoe-shine man at the airport. See? That would eliminate the evil rich and put us all on the same footing.
Ask yourself how long we'd have doctors, airline pilots, engineers, researchers, etc. if this plan were imposed. Ask yourself what your life would be like without the products such people make possible. Or just move to North Korea and experience it first hand.
That's what Obama wants for America. |
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This was Obama biggest mistake of the night.
He never once mentioned Al Qaeda, Hitler or Osama.
He brought up America and the mistakes we have made.
America has made mistakes for sure. But evil ?
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I didn't watch, but the clearest sign to me JM got the best of BO is the silence of toxic kos on the subject.
Side note: Anyone know any left leaning sites (other than the major networks) that are readable? I peruse a few, but the discourse is generally uninformed and vitriolic. |
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I watched the rebroadcast last night because I was actually at revival services on Saturday night. But I made a point to stay up and watch because of Obama's "above my pay grade" remark. I figured there had to be a more expansive answer that he gave. He gave a much longer answer but it really didn't do anything to help clarify why he is so unsure and how he comes to err on the side of abortion against the side of life.
You're going into a forum that is hosted by an evangelical. You know the life issue is going to come up. He really should have been ready with a well thought out position that reached out to evangelicals who are much more solid on the issue but appreciate the difficulties. Instead, he evaded the issue and then proceeded to blow smoke.
I though Obama generally came across well. He did come across more as thoughtful this time as opposed to uncomfortably parsing a position on the fly that puts him on both sides of an issue. But don't mistake slow deliberate style as "thoughtful". His answers on the tough, predictable questions did not demonstrate any prior deep introspection. If you aren't ready to answer a question that has roiled American politics for 30 years, and you are giving a slow, deliberate answer, you are showing symptoms of shallowness, not thoughtfulness. |
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Since when is it okay for Obama to call Americans with a different viewpoint "Liars" but when he lies it is referred to as "misleading" I'm old and maybe a little out of touch with modern English but I know a liar when I hear one.
Obama has lied on so many issues, either directly, by omission, or just plain ignorance.
I doubt the last since once faced with fact he continues to say what he said was not what he meant or the statement was taken out of context.
There was a time when a mans word meant so much it defined the man. It still has value. |
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I do not like Rick Warren. I do not like his "Purpose Driven Church" methodology of church takeover. But I though his performance was good, and I thought the exercise worthwhile, much to my surprise. I understand the lack of follow-up in the format. Perhaps, if there were to be a "round two", the questions could be limited, both sides could be on the stage, and the moderator as well as the candidates could follow up.
I think it is unfortunate that we have to resort Rick Warren to have a substantive forum on social policy that fairly addresses the questions of evangelical voters from their perspective. It is a testimony to the utter failure and bias of the media.
My biggest surprise was McCain. I expected him to move to the middle, or at least uncomfortably mouth the right things. Some topics he has historically been uncomfortable discussing he gave characteristically brief answers. Others that I expected him to uncomfortably, but dutifully, answer, he showed a level of enthusiasm that was reassuring. He did mention global warming, but did not seem to have the desire to pick that scab that he sometimes seems to enjoy doing. And he seemed genuinely enthusiastic about Roberts and Alito.
The jury is still out on McCain for me, but I am more and more inclined to give him a try. The jury has always been in on Obama and he did nothing that would cause me to give him a retrial. |
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Dean Barnett's analysis of "above my paygrade":
Imagine as a thought experiment that Obama answered Warren’s straight-forward question honestly. He could have taken the extreme pro-choice position that the fetus doesn’t get human rights until some time around its Bar Mitzvah. Or he could have taken the more mainstream liberal position and said he believes that life begins at conception (strongly as a matter of the utmost faith), but he doesn’t want his personal feelings to intrude on the issue. But if he said either of those things, some people wouldn't have liked his comments and probably would have liked him less for making them. So instead he opted for clumsy evasion.
With his flippant pay grade remark, Obama said in effect, “I’m not going to give you my thoughts on the matter because it would be politically inconvenient to do so. Whatever I say, it will upset one side of the debate, and who needs that hassle? Instead, I’m going to try to charm you with a phony display of humility and hope you don’t notice.”
The thing about evasions is they only go unnoticed if they’re done with great skill. By straddling and evading with great frequency and occasional clumsiness, Obama ironically reveals more of his true self than straight talk ever would.
http://www.weeklystandard.com/weblogs/TWSFP/2008/08/require d_reading_obama_the_eva.asp |
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Billy the Bomber Ayers and his Odious Old Lady will get more attention in the days to come; Obama's rabbi/Chinaman Senate Leader Emil Jones just announce his ( rather abrupt retirement - some dubious shennanigans mayhaps?) exit stage left and Obama's Progressive Meathead Camp Obama Crowd are destroying his political future.
My empirical analysis - as a regular guy Democratis voter for McCain - predict Obama losing a minimum of 40 States come November, losing his Senate Seat and then becoming an inspirational speaker. Too bad, he had could have been something beyond a contender.
Harold Ford will be the Democratic Nominee following a very solid McCain Presidency.
None of that stuff is in Nostradamus, but this old voter has had a pretty good record of calling the winners - it ain't brain surgury.
http://hickeysite.blogspot.com/2008/08/john-mccain-obama-ca mpaign-turns.html |
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candidate who wants to draw a bright line between the law of man and the law of God.
Any evangelical audience is going to have a significant number of dominionists in it.
How does a Democratic candidate tactfully tell such an audience that YOUR beliefs about how God wants us govern ourselves cannot be the final word on how society is going to be governed?
They sure don't want to hear it and he doesn't want to offend them by saying it. |
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McCain was exactly right in his prediction on his $5million number being distorted. The commentary I saw immediately afterward noted that he was joking, but still characterized it as a gaffe that would likely be exploited. Of course, they are blind (or are they) that their characterization is exactly the kind of exploitation McCain predicted.
McCain spent nearly the whole answer to Warren's question disagreeing with the whole premise that we should even be defining "rich", especially for the purpose of taxing them even more heavily. He threw out $5MM as an answer obviously in a joking manner to emphasize the silliness of the whole exercise. And he then proceeded to talk about small business owners who work 16 hour days that may make $200k or so and question whether they should be targeted for higher taxes because other folks consider them rich. To seriously put out the $5MM number as McCain so rich that he is out of touch would be very dishonest, but typical of the dems and MSM.
I can see Obama's rationale for his $250k benchmark, but McCain's answer hints at why it would be unwise to increase the tax burden down to that level on the mistaken presumption that they are rich and can afford it. |
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of him needing to be "ready." He doesn't think he needs to prepare for anything anymore because his ego has become so big as to make him think he's always perfect. McCain showed him a thing or two though, and the Dems know it. That's why they had their (in-the-tank for Obama) newscaster jump right out and cry "FOWL!" Mc Cain cheated! The whiney-*ss babies can't fight fair or admit they were ever beaten, but McCain definitely beat the crap out of him on every issue. And he did it fair and square. |
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"They sure don't want to hear it and he doesn't want to offend them by saying it."
If he believes that, why doesn't he just come out and say it, eh? |
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with EVIL? Since when? That was a very ridiculous remark by Obama in my opinion, but it clearly showed that he has no idea how to handle ANY situation as the leader of the free world. |
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"Uh, answering that question with, uh, uh, specificity is, uh, uh, above my pay grade." -- The One, without benefit of TelePrompTer.
Jefferson knew. He knew that Human Rights begins when we are created, that the Right to life begins when we are created, and that is at conception. That's what he said in the Declaration of Independence.
So, if Jefferson knew, and he told us, why doesn't Obama, the One, know? He can't read? Maybe he disagrees.
However, he said recently that a father's responsibility doesn't end at conception.
That means that he feels responsibility begins at conception. Is that all? If the father's responsibility begins at conception, doesn't life also??? After all, responsibility for what, if not life?
Obama's non-answer to a critical question is the kinda answer one who agrees with abortion, who doesn't wanna answer the question cuz he wants us to keep guessing so he can go on being non-committal and appear to be committed. In other words, he wants to deceive.
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You are misinterpreting or misrepresenting Catholic teaching. Abortion is against the church's teaching. War and capital punishment are different issues. Pope John Paul II had opinions about them, but members of the Catholic church can disagree with his opinions on them. That is not true of abortion which would result in excommunication.
Also a point of spelling/grammar for people. "loose" means not tight "lose" means not winning. |
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Since when has Obama been interested in drawing bright lines? He has to know that there is a substantial bloc of evangelicals and catholics who can be moved to re-prioritize the life issue. Indeed, Saddleback is probably the perfect venue to deal with the issue that is probably the biggest stumbling block with the mushy religious middle. he drew his line just fine, but did nothing to illuminate the real struggle that he has in reconciling his position with his doubts about when life begins and when it can be protected.
They sure wanted to hear it--he got lots of applause. I wanted to hear it, even though I have no intention of voting for him. And I definitely want to hear why he thinks a court should be the final word on how a society should be governed. The sticky social issues for evangelicals are all ones that have popular support (as evidenced by passing legislation or referenda) that have been thwarted by courts. It is the left's social agenda that has been imposed, not the religious right's.
If Obama can't feel like he can reach out to evangelicals in probably the most friendly forum ever, then why should they feel any confidence that he will treat them fairly should he gain office? |
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==Let's also review that there shall be no religious test as set forth in the Constitution.==
Let's also review that I, a voter, can put any ol' test I want up against a candidate.
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... the Son Is Muslim: Islam
==Doesn’t Barry Soetoro aka Barack Obama understand how this videotape thing works? Here he is telling Rick Warren that he was “raised by a single mother.” Friends, that is complete and utter LIES ! When he was four years old he had an Indonesian muslim and wealthy oil executive as a step-dad. Here’s the Wikipedia quote:
After her divorce, Dunham married Lolo Soetoro, and the family moved to Soetoro’s home country of Indonesia in 1967, where Obama attended local schools in Jakarta until he was ten years old. He then returned to Honolulu to live with his maternal grandparents while attending Punahou School from the fifth grade in 1971 until his graduation from high school in 1979
Please explain how you are raised by a “single mom” who is married to a wealthy Indonesian oil executive and you live with the dude for six years? (more…)...==
The following may bring people up to date:
http://worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=7265 6
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Pro-choice = pro-abortion = wrong-choice would say that life on Earth began with a single cell; and, yet, they deny that the life of humans begins with a single cell. |
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And the typical "debates" put on by the media are not tough venues for conservatives, even for mavericks like McCain? The questions all almost always framed in the leftist view. The conservative has to spend part of his answer rebutting the premise. The MSM are either incapable (or unwilling) of playing devil's advocate in challenging answers that conform to the leftist view.
The only reason Obama would have a tough time with the life question is that how it is answered has implications for policy. It was a chance for a thoughtful answer and he was incapable or unwilling to make it. |
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==artist writes: Sunday, August, 17, 2008 7:05 PM
Science tells us
"Really? You know the exact moment life exists?"
Yup.
The gender is determined at conception, as well as an individually unique DNA.
So, we have an individual male or female.
Next question.
Male or female what?
Human. ==
That's correct!
46 chromosomes = human creature. All 46 chromosomes are present at conception, when a woman becomes pregnant. She does not become pregnant when the doctor tells her she is pregnant. She is pregnant at conception, the time when, as Jefferson says in the Declaration of Independence, we are all created. Also, as Jefferson says, that's when the Right to life begins.
So, is what she is pregnant with part of her, or part of a new creature? It's a completely new creature. |
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lots of it - so complex and so much a part of Obama's candidacy. Who is the real puppeter?
Every setting without a teleprompter will do Obama in because he is continuously trying to hide his real thoughts and trying to bamboozle his way out of every stance he has taken - the double talk it very upsetting.
America wake up - do your homework and zero in on the integrity, knowledge, experience and love of country that John McCain brings to the election. |
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==The only reason Obama would have a tough time with the life question is that how it is answered has implications for policy. It was a chance for a thoughtful answer and he was incapable or unwilling to make it.==
He was incapable of answering the question because agenda incapacitates him from answering it.
He was unwilling to answer the question because he is more willing to protect agenda. |
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==The only reason Obama would have a tough time with the life question is that how it is answered has implications for policy. It was a chance for a thoughtful answer and he was incapable or unwilling to make it.==
He was incapable of answering the question because agenda incapacitates him from answering it.
He was unwilling to answer the question because he is more willing to protect agenda. |
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==The only reason Obama would have a tough time with the life question is that how it is answered has implications for policy. It was a chance for a thoughtful answer and he was incapable or unwilling to make it.==
He was incapable of answering the question because agenda incapacitates him from answering it.
He was unwilling to answer the question because he is more willing to protect agenda. |
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Obamarama recently said that a father's responsibility does not stop at conception.
So, what was so difficult about answering the question of when do human Rights begin? |
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I'm not a geneticist, so I can't validate the 46 number (and it's been a long time since I had biology). I know that Down's children have an extra chromosome. And there are disorders where chromosomes, or parts of them, are missing.
I see your point swampthing, but sometimes a less precise answer is the more thoughtful. |
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==46 chromosomes?
I'm not a geneticist, so I can't validate the 46 number (and it's been a long time since I had biology).==
I can validate that number. It's the number of chromosomes in humans, under normal circumstances.
== I know that Down's children have an extra chromosome. And there are disorders where chromosomes, or parts of them, are missing.==
However, the exceptions don't defeat the general rule.
Now, however, if apes have 98% of the chromosomes humans have, maybe they are human, too. |
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This was the most interesting part of Hugh's post to me. So much so, that after having read the article, I emailed President White to let him know of my dissatisfaction with the actions of his UIC library staff.
The voice of conservatives must be heard. It's not at all surprising that the halls of liberal academia want to prevent negative information about The One becoming public. This is just one of many examples the liberal media wish would go away. Kurtz has led the charge on this particular topic and we should assist his endeavors in unmasking Obama's radical liberalism.
5 minutes to send an email with a cc to Kurtz! |
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Why have the women stop fainting..when the great one shows up?
Their god has no clothes. LOL |
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that Obama won't be able to protect them from having their bodies seized by the state for forced baby manufacture. |
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Interrogation methods include repeatedly asking for the same information multiple times in multiple ways, and measuring the responses. Oversimplifying, consistent responses indicate potential truth while inconsistent responses indicate potential untruth.
McCain's consistency over time is at least one indicator that what he says is actually what he believes. |
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Yawn.......... try another act. |
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... In These Trying Times
==While Senator McCain's biography and spirit are without a doubt presidential, even inspirational, the thought of him as president only signifies continuing disaster.==
Not as much disaster as an Obamarama administration. |
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Dustoff-507 writes: Monday, August, 18, 2008 1:45 PM
WHAT I want to know.
Why have the women stop fainting..when the great one shows up?
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Briggsy writes: Monday, August, 18, 2008 2:03 PM
Dusty, perhaps the women are worried
that Obama won't be able to protect them from having their bodies seized by the state for forced baby manufacture.
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If the Legislative defines "personhood" as beginning at conception, the notion of "undue burden," as defined by Roe, will change to due burden.
That means that the State will not seize the woman's body, rather protect the constitutional Rights of the person inside her. After all, the Constitution protects persons.
However, the State will require that the woman maintain her health and see to it, as much as she can, that the unborn person lives. The unborn person would be in her protective custody. |
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becky writes: Monday, August, 18, 2008 2:00 PM
I want a president who tells those who
ask him about faith to tell them to f' off.
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So, you want a president who is that crass.
becky writes: Monday, August, 18, 2008 2:00 PM What religion or faith a president has is none of our business.
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What a person believes inevitably translates into what he does.
Obamarama is the son of a Muslim. In Islam, the son of a Muslim is Muslim.
Today, he says he is Christian. Yet, as we found out this past weekend, he has no idea what God says about abortion, innocent life.
Therefore, it IS my business. If you don't want to be your business, that's fine. However, don't force your ideas down our throats.
becky writes: Monday, August, 18, 2008 2:00 PM Sad that so many of you think that Fundys of any type have more rights than the rest of us do to shove your beliefs down our throats.
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==Poland signs missle defense, and now Ukraine offers satellite defence co-operation with Europe and US.==
They see what's on the horizon. It ain't pretty.
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LIB SICK AND TIRED OF TRUTH!!!
Film at 11.
JamesB writes: Monday, August, 18, 2008 3:01 PM
If Americans buy the rehearsed meanderings of Senator McCain as presidential then we deserve the government we get aka continuing catastrophe.
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What catastrophe??
JamesB writes: Monday, August, 18, 2008 3:01 PM Laughable is the fact that conservatives are trying to label McCain as "more real" than Obama.
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We are? We aren't. We merely recognize what is, and call attention to that.
YOU people are the ones trying to make Obamarama out to be what he isn't.
JamesB writes: Monday, August, 18, 2008 3:01 PM For the love of God, Jesus...
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What do Liberals know all of a sudden about God and Jesus??
JamesB writes: Monday, August, 18, 2008 3:01 PM
...can any Hallers cut and paste or quote something that Senator McCain said w/Pastor Warren that we haven't all heard 16 thousand 7 hundred and 52 times?
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It looks to me as though you need to hear it 16,752 more times.
JamesB writes: Monday, August, 18, 2008 3:01 PM Wasn't the entire presentation of Senator McCain's exactly what Pastor Warren specifically said he didn't want in this forum?
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No.
JamesB writes: Monday, August, 18, 2008 3:01 PM It's okay if you despise the philosophy of Senator Obama but don't act like the performance of Senator McCain was anything besides a cornya*s, sit-down stump speech complete with every tired old joke on government waste that we've heard 613 different times.
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It's unfortunate that Liberals don't like to hear the truth. That's the trouble with this country. |
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So with a spirit and biography that without a doubt is presidential and even inspirational, the thought of him as President signifies continuing disaster ??? New day, same convoluted thinking, JamesB.
His stories have been heard 613 times because unlike Virgin Barry, he has actually been around for a while doing the people’s business. Forgive him please for not coming up with enough new material for your entertainment. Also, Conservatives don’t say Mac is “more real” (what does that mean anyway??), we say he is more experienced, has more character, and shows better judgment than His Highness. We don’t “despise” BO’s philosophy, we just don’t RESPECT it because it has been tried and failed too many times before and we prefer to actually fix the economy, become energy independent, and protect our National Security with a known Patriot. Now is not the time to train your boy on the job and I am disappointed but not surprised that you and others like you would be willing to put this country in such obvious jeopardy.
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thinking was presented to us roughly like this: "Um..Errr...Well...Nuance...Subtle...Deeply deep...Flap-Jaw...vapidly-vacuous...Uhhhhhh...My 3 strongest advisors are my typical white Gammy, Michelle the Delicate and the following 14-others...Errrrrrrr....Welllll..Uhhh...The fetus with a measurable heartbeat at 10-days is punishment enough for...uhhhh...errr...my kids.."
Toast. Clueless TOAST. |
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held to the same standards of honesty, decency, and scrutiny of past associations as a Republican?!?!
Why, that would be racism... Just ask Clarence Thomas... |
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Briggsy writes: "perhaps the women are worried that Obama won't be able to protect them from having their bodies seized by the state for forced baby manufacture."
I think that was a 1950's horror movie wasn't it. Let's as Emmett of the unblinking eye.
But we digress...
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There are no standards for Reeps. This generation of Republican conservatives have repealed standards. The only bedrock principle in conservatism these days is that which satisfied the Reep's narcisstic sense of moral superiority and self-satisfaction. Beyond that, Reeps are entitled to do what they want, how they want, to whom they want. |
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I guess the new meds aren't any better than the ones you were on yesterday. Is everyone in your circle of friends incapable of positive energy and bitter like you? Conservatives like to be accountable and responsible for our own actions, welfare, and pursuit of happiness. Being a victim won’t get you out of your funk. Try reading Stephen Covey’s book “ 7 Habits of Highly Effective People”. It could really help get you started back on the right track.
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What's wrong with Obama's going into the lion's den and just stating the Dem platform? (Unless his conscious got the better of him in a church.)
Protection under the law begins at live birth to a viable baby.
If viability is deemed in doubt, allow the baby to die if you choose.
No need to get twisted up like a pretzel over a simple concept. This man cannot be POTUS. He is too stupid. You can put lipstick on that pig all you want, he cannot find his rear with both hands.
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Obama should have revealed what he really feels is evil that needs to be confronted and defeated:
The Oil Companies!!! |
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...What a Surprise!
Chuck writes: Monday, August, 18, 2008 9:59 PM
Obama Confronting Evil
Obama should have revealed what he really feels is evil that needs to be confronted and defeated:
The Oil Companies!!!
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Ok, so, let's say that they are "defeated." Now what? You gotta bike to ride to work? |
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I just read your post again. I think I got you wrong. You mean to say that Obamaram is ag'in' the oil companies, and that you are not. |
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...Regardless of Length
==What's wrong with Obama's going into the lion's den and just stating the Dem platform?==
Well, it would have been some comedy relief, anyway.
==Protection under the law begins at live birth to a viable baby.==
Not true.
Inheritance/family law says that "future interests" begins at conception. In other words, the unborn child cannot enjoy that unless he survives.
==If viability is deemed in doubt, allow the baby to die if you choose.==
A child 5 seconds old has lived for five seconds. So, what's "viability"? The child was viable for 5 seconds. Who gets to decide that viability must be a specific length of time, and what is that length of time? The thing is alive until it is dead. That may be one second. It may be 65 years.
Viability is not constant in all. The only constant is conception. It is the same in all. IT happens at the same time for all; it happens when it happens. |
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clyde writes: Monday, August, 18, 2008 7:44 PM
Patriot Liberal
Conservatives like to be accountable and responsible for our own actions, welfare, and pursuit of happiness.
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However, Clyde, Libs don't like you and me gittin' all up in their faces and telling them, reminding them of responsibility, though they have no trouble tellin' us. You can point a dark conscience to itself in the mirror, but it is invisible and can't see it. |
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==There are no standards for Reeps.==
Just accusation. No susbstance.
== This generation of Republican conservatives have repealed standards.==
Just accusation. No substance.
== The only bedrock principle in conservatism these days is that which satisfied the Reep's narcisstic sense of moral superiority and self-satisfaction.==
Just accusation. No substance.
== Beyond that, Reeps are entitled to do what they want, how they want, to whom they want.==
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jtb-in-texas writes: Monday, August, 18, 2008 6:17 PM
Surely you don't expect a Democrat to be
held to the same standards of honesty, decency, and scrutiny of past associations as a Republican?!?!
Why, that would be racism... Just ask Clarence Thomas...
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I was trying to state the DEM platform. If I was wrong, what is it?
Clearly not the gobbity-gook Obama was spewing. My point: Don't the Dems have a clear position on when rights begin that Obama could simply parrot? |
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==You know the exact moment life exists?==
Yes, at conception, when the one cell revs up for dividing.
==The second the sperm goes into the egg is that moment?==
Yes. That's when the elements start to react.
== Is it when the zygote is formed?==
No. It's earlier than that.
== Is it when the embryo is created?==
No. Earlier.
== Or is it when the fetus has its first heart beat?==
Still earlier than that.
== So when Obama say's its above his pay grade he is telling the truth, only God knows the answer to that question.==
Jefferson knew, and he said that the Right ot life begins at creation, and that would be conception. You disagree with Jefferson?
God already spoke on the issue, and He says that conception is the beginning of life on Earth. Watch John Hagee's sermon from yesterday for the proof.
== Mccain did what he did all night he pandered and recited campaign talking points, that is why he was so "decisive".==
He delivered the message that had to be delivered. It will do you people good to hear it again and again. |
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K.G. writes: Monday, August, 18, 2008 10:24 PM
swampthing: I Think We Are on the Same..
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I was trying to state the DEM platform. If I was wrong, what is it?
Clearly not the gobbity-gook Obama was spewing. My point: Don't the Dems have a clear position on when rights begin that Obama could simply parrot?
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Rereading your post, I get the impression that I got you wrong, too. You're the second one. Geez. |
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When are we created?
Jefferson says that the Right to life -- that is, human Rights -- begins at creation, conception.
We need to know this so that we are sure to act as though those with the Right to life are actually treated as though they have the Right to life.
Additionally, secularists say that existence, life on Earth began with one cell, just as in the woman's womb. Heh. |
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Dems, whose candidate lost, accuse McCain of cheating Saturday evening.
Isn't it funny that, every time Dems lose, they blame it on cheating. |
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Obama's wagon. We need to slow it down until just after convention, so that the Obamascam falls apart just after it is too late for the dims to do anything about it. |
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You wouldn't happen to be the same Clyde that posts on powerlineblog forum would you? If not you are very similar in great posts and intelligent debate. |
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Thanks for the props but I can't take credit for my namesake on powerlineblog. I'll check it out based on your info. |
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clyde writes: Monday, August, 18, 2008 11:31 PM
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Thanks for the props but I can't take credit for my namesake on powerlineblog. I'll check it out based on your info.
Arch says:
Powerline forum is great and there is a Clyde that is commendable. Nuff said my friend. |
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Obama every single day. One group hit him with abortion,another with taxes, another with education,healthcare ect... Plus McCain doing his thing,bloggers and posters doing theirs,talk radio doing their thing,all of us. Just don't let up and right on through the Democrat convention. PUSH HIM RIGHT INTO A CORNER.
I think I'll vote for McCain instead of against Obama. |
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Would Jesus Approve Abortion?
To be Liberal is to self-describe as being “tolerant.”
Jesus was not tolerant. He was intolerant, and that is not bad. He said that He is the ONLY Way to the Father, and that few will find the gate to Salvation cuz it is so narrow, not broad.
He said that He came to give life, and more abundantly, and to take away the power of death.
Abortion takes life without the process that is due, per the Constitution. Abortion restores the power of death, denying the power of Jesus.
They will say that we can’t kill something that isn’t alive; but why, for example, does an partial birth abortionist have to stick a scissors into the base of the child’s skull before he removes the child? Could it be that he knows the child is alive and that removing the child without poking the child with the scissors, he would deliver a live child, hmmmm? So, he knows the child is alive. He kills.
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Would Jesus Approve Abortion?
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Deuteronomy 30
CHOOSE LIFE!
Proverbs 6
God hates abortion cuz God hates the shedding of innocent blood. There is no more innocent blood than that of the unborn in what is supposed to be the safest place for him in the world.
5th and 14th Amendments
Abortion denies the life of the child, precluding — even if we accept the notion that life begins at birth — the child’s potential life. That’s denial. Precluding life.
Leviticus 17
The life of the flesh is in the blood. Even in the chromosome that produces blood. So, where there’s blood, there’s life.
Exodus 21
The unborn child, alive. You take the life of the unborn child, your life is forfeit.
Genesis 4
Innocent blood cries out to God to avenge the taking of innocent blood.
[Matthew 27
Judas betrayed innocent blood.]
Isaiah 49
God saw each of us in the womb.
Jeremiah 1
God knew each of us in the womb.
Genesis 25
God oversees development. He knows the unborn child, his future, his character and his temperament.
Luke 1
The as-yet-unborn John leaped in the womb, responding to the presence of the Lord.
God intends us to produce future generations through Godly children. Abortion steals those generations. 99% of all abortions are for convenience, selfishness and greed.
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Obamarama said that the father’s responsibility doesn’t stop at conception.
Then, he says that the matter is above his pay grade, trying to be clever with cliché.
So, which is it? Is it above his pay grade, or not???
If it’s above his pay grade, how can he say that the father’s responsibility doesn’t stop at conception???
Why are Christians silent as dumb dogs [Isaiah 56]? They are afraid to offend the world. They want the world to love them, and, so, they try to balance the love of Christ with the love for them of the world. One foot in; one foot out. Lukewarm. Trying to make peace with sin. They are doomed with the unrighteous.
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If Obamarama is Christian, that Jesus is the center of his life, why doesn't he know the elements I posted above? Plus, why is he afraid to speak them? Politics, that's why. Politics is more important than Jesus, to Obamarama. |
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==Just don't let up ...==
Be not silent!
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Could 99 have been feeding him answers, while in 'CONE OF SILENCE', through his 'SHOE PHONE'.
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Libs
The Obamarama Version of the Word of God, a version that waters down Jesus to suit Libs, that a tolerant, Lib Jesus actually says something like this:
“Goeth into all the world and teacheth men to liveth as they wish, urging each to pursue and findeth his own path to God.
“Letteth not any one of you maketh another to feel inferior, nor victiminized, because of their beliefs. Above all, I saith unto you, be tolerant, even of those who choose not to follow Me.
“Verily, verily, I saith unto you that what you believe and how you live do not matter, as long as you are pure of heart in your own judgment and might and in your pursuits.
“I am a way to God, a truth and just one possible life, and, if you are a good person, you walk that way, that truth, that life, for that is all it takes, and, if you choose not to come to the Father through Me, rather through some other, simply being a good person will enter you into the Kingdom of Heaven regardless of the way you choose.
“Now, goeth forth into all the world to liveth according to the strength and ways of your own conscience, dreams, wishes and vision.”
And, so…
(Mat 11:3) And [two of John's disciples] said unto him, Art thou he that should come, or do we look for another?
It looks as though this generation doesn’t know either.
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... Knows and Doesn't Speak
Why does Obamarama say he's Christian at once saying that a father's responsibility does not stop at conception, and also that the question of when human Rights attaches to us is above his pay grade?
Why would a person who professes to be Christian not try to find the Will of God?
After all,
(Isa 41:26) Who hath declared from the beginning, that we may know? and beforetime, that we may say, He is righteous? yea, there is none that sheweth, yea, there is none that declareth, yea, there is none that heareth your words.
(Amo 4:13) For, lo, he that formeth the mountains, and createth the wind, and declareth unto man what is his thought, that maketh the morning darkness, and treadeth upon the high places of the earth, The LORD, The God of hosts, is his name.
And, so, Obamarama should know, and, if he knows, should speak. Yet, he doesn't. Does the Devil have his tongue? |
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... To Explain Away Their Candidate's Poor Showing
TonyC writes: Tuesday, August, 19, 2008 9:26 AM
Could 99 have been feeding him answers, while in 'CONE OF SILENCE', through his 'SHOE PHONE'.
B.O. needs to 'GET SMART'.
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No, cuz an agent of the pastor of the church was in the room with McCain, in order to make sure that McCain didn't cheat.
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The Saddleback showdown shows us the reason why Obama would rather not have to face McCain on townhall debates.
Too bad... events like Saddleback is what we need to better understand where candidates stand.
Humility and Obama can't be put on the same sentence. Didn't anybody remember his gestures toward Clinton during the primary? |
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Obama "changes" the facts without blinking
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Is the consummate hustler....and now, LIAR.
Just a week ago he "felt" it necessary to make a "PUBLIC ANNOUNCEMENT", as to his intentions to "scale back" his postings----those whiney, pedantic, boorish narratives that he "hustles" to the crowd.
As I scroll through the various threads that Hugh and others publish, this, Pathetic Liberal, is found among most of them, posting in multiples---no different than before.
SO, unless he posted a retraction to the one declaring his "scaling back", well, he's a Liar. Which can be added to his having established himself as a consistent and persistent second-rate Fool as well.
Man, what a boor.
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cover Obama on everything instead of picking only the stories that benefit him. How are people to realyy choose if you don't get all the facts. The crazt left have already decided to vote for Obama no matter what. Maybe they think someone will somehow make up for all BHO flaws. I think they know he's not going to be a good president but just don't want a Republican to win.
Face it Obama is a mirror of Nasty Pelosi and we all know how well she's doing as Speaker,right?
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Sometimes it feels like we're just talking to ourselves here on Townhall. This morning, I wanted to make some comments about Obama's lack of credibility to an article about how great the guy is, but the article gave readers no opportunity to make comments. Just another reason why I could never vote for the guy . . . because he has total media support. Such a joke! |
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