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Wednesday, August 27, 2008
Huckabee on Rush
Posted by: Carol Platt Liebau at 2:54 PM
Mike Huckabee was on Rush Limbaugh's radio show this morning, and insisted that his second round victory in West Virginia was a result -- not of his and McCain's campaign double teaming Romney -- but of the Ron Paul voters defecting to him.  That claim, of course, runs counter to this news report -- and all the others.

Rush allowed Huckabee on his show at Huckabee's own request, supposedly to set the record straight about why he was opposing Mitt Romney as vice president (not because of his religion, but because of his views according to Huckabee).  He, of course, used the occasion to reiterate to Rush's vast audience why, in his view, Romney wouldn't be a good choice for veep.  That kind of gamesmanship, of course, is what makes Huckabee a formidable politician.  Doesn't convince me, however, that he's a particularly good (or given the statement above, a truthful) guy.  

All the coverage of the Clinton-Obama drama at the Democrat Convention emphasizes how profoundly destructive intra-party infighting is.  For Huckabee to continue to carry a grudge against Romney because Romney criticized him in the primaries (as Rush pointed out, that's what competitors do in primaries) is unfortunate and destructive -- and, if nothing else, highlights why he would be a profoundly unsuitable choice for any high office.

Update: Back in February, I noted Huckabee's penchant for placing personal political advantage above princple or party.  He's demonstrated it once again today.

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ann writes: Wednesday, August, 27, 2008 6:55 PM
In all seriousness
there are going to be some folks disappointed. To those who have given time, money and energy to their candidate, the let-down is terrible. Let's just wait and see who is chosen and get behind them. It will be a tough pill for me to swallow if Romney is chosen, so I know how the supporters of any other candidates will feel.
Rip's Flagon writes: Wednesday, August, 27, 2008 6:49 PM
Honestly
"Biden will be filmed going to church every sunday, Romney will be filmed going to a Mormon church, making the base of the GOP more then Uncomfortable." Anyone who is uncomfortable with Romney religion, please take a hike. That isn't what America is about.
K.G. writes: Wednesday, August, 27, 2008 6:46 PM
K.L. The GOP VP race...
..isn't that big a deal. Nothing like the Dem Disunity.

The Pub gives us something to post about, but it's a side-show. Mitt supporters and Huck supporters have something in common: their guy lost.

Obama is doing a great job bringing the Pub base together, thank you.
K.G. writes: Wednesday, August, 27, 2008 6:26 PM
charlesclueless
Rove and the pollsters agree: Whoever wins Michigan takes the prize.

Can Huck deliver Michigan?

This is why Rove relentlessly supports Romney. The same way Rove kept telling Obama to choose Hillary. We'll see if Mack is any smarter than BO.

I would listen to Rove.

gunlock bill writes: Wednesday, August, 27, 2008 6:04 PM
charleslawlesss
c: Huckabee is the most logical, despite what the bloggers that are on Romney's payroll say. By the way, the radio host of Republican talk radio
they are on the Romney payroll too.

GB: Time for you to get a new foil hat!!!
charleslawlesss writes: Wednesday, August, 27, 2008 5:57 PM
Romney not Conservative, NO ROMNEY VP

Romney called McCain dishonest during the Primary, and more.

Huckabee came in second during the Primary not Romney., This wont go over well with the Christian Base.

Romney and McCain would be the Super Rich ticket. In a middle Class Election.

Biden will win working class Votes, Romney will remind the working class he is the guy that lays you off.

Biden will be filmed going to church every sunday, Romney will be filmed going to a Mormon church, making the base of the GOP more then Uncomfortable.

So who should McCain pick??

Huckabee would energize the Base.

Huckabee is veiwed as Middle class, Winning overwhelming working class voters.

Huckabee didnt attack McCain during the primary.

Huckabee can hold his own with anyone in debates.

Huckabee Has 1 house

Huckabee is the most logical, despite what the bloggers that are on Romney's payroll say. By the way, the radio host of Republican talk radio
they are on the Romney payroll too. Romney should learn he cant buy an election. He outspent every candidate during the primarys, even outspending Huckabee 6 to 1. Huckabee still got more delegates.
fitzwdarcey writes: Wednesday, August, 27, 2008 5:49 PM
obfuscate if you will
Even if I accept what you say as true eddie2, that still doesn't mean you didn't totally infer your previous bias into my comment. You brought the issue up, not me. In the process, you revealed a lot about yourself and where you are coming from.


eddie too writes: Wednesday, August, 27, 2008 5:39 PM
fitzw,

I hope it is clear that I recognize lies when I see them.

I have read the attacks on Governor Huckabee from the self-proclaimed LDS. They have repeatedly, nearly constantly, accused the Governor of religious bigotry. They have never been able to come up with any instances where the Governor attacked the LDS religion, mostly because he never has. That has not stopped them from hurling the accusations.
gunlock bill writes: Wednesday, August, 27, 2008 5:38 PM
ed2
It is obvious to all who read the TH blogs that there are people who post here who only need to write the truth to demonize Governor Huckabee. Many of these same people are self-proclaimed EVANGELICALS. They have justified their opinions by looking at Governor Huckabee's record. They can support their claims. Apparently, truth is VERY relevant to them.

There! Fixed it for you ed2!!
fitzwdarcey writes: Wednesday, August, 27, 2008 5:31 PM
You could have just asked
You could have just asked which states I meant Eddie. Instead, you read a bunch into my comment. In the process, you also made it VERY clear where you are coming from.

MaineConservative writes: Wednesday, August, 27, 2008 5:28 PM
eduardo tambien
Wasn't it you who said on an earlier entry "there is none so blind as he who will not see"?

There have been plenty of examples which you obviously claim as lies. That doesn't make them lies.
Yt_Knight writes: Wednesday, August, 27, 2008 5:27 PM
Open Letter to Rush from last week...
Very interesting regarding Rush and Romney...

http://www.rushtellthetruth.blogspot.com/

Peace,

YK
Yt_Knight writes: Wednesday, August, 27, 2008 5:25 PM
Romney = The Establishment
Romney = The Establishment
I come back to my original post from earlier today…

The Establishment candidate(s) = beholden to The Establishment
Mitt Romney founded Bain Capital
Bain Capital conveniently acquired Clear Channel Communications in December ‘07
Clear Channel Communications pays big contracts to Rush, Sean, Laura, etc.
Legal? Absolutely. Influence? Definitely.
Do you think that the talking heads would be so smitten with Mitt otherwise?
Mitt Romney = (or would be beholden to) The Establishment

It is clear that Romney will say/do anything to gain political power. Pro-Choice, pro gay marriage, anti-Reagan to become Gov. in liberal Mass… Pro-life, anti-gay-marriage, pro-Reagan during the GOP primaries. This is how most who aren’t brainwashed by the biased talking heads view Gov. Romney.

If we want to continue to be slaves of “The Establishment” we will continue to vote for candidates who are beholden to them, special interests, and Washington fat cats.

If we want to break the cycle and win back the country for “We the People”, we will elect candidates who are from the people and for the people.

Turn a blind eye if you choose but think carefully… you know this to be true.

Peace,

YK
eddie too writes: Wednesday, August, 27, 2008 5:22 PM
It is obvious to all who read the TH

blogs that there are people who post here who will write anything to demonize Governor Huckabee. Many of these same people are self-proclaimed LDS. They have justified their lies and distortions by saying Governor Huckabee played the religion card. They can not support that claim. Apparently, truth is not relevant to them.
MaineConservative writes: Wednesday, August, 27, 2008 5:19 PM
fitzwdarcey
Don't be too hard on eduardo tambien. Those of who have been here awhile understand his limitations. He's just a little on the...how shall I put this without hurting anyone's feelings...intellectually challenged side. He can't help it.
eddie too writes: Wednesday, August, 27, 2008 5:19 PM
fitzw,

then what were you referring to when you mentioned three swing states? I thought it had something to do with Colorado, Nevada and Michigan. The LDS on TH have repeatedly referred to those as Huckabee problems because he dissed the LDS (which is a lie) and LDS will never vote for him because of his anti-LDS tactics (that he never used).

Maybe you should make your postings a little more understandable.
fitzwdarcey writes: Wednesday, August, 27, 2008 5:02 PM
be careful about stones in glass houses
No eddie. I wasn't referring to the anti-LDS stuff at all. You inferred that, and, quite frankly, I find your accusation offensive. There are plenty of people who have political issues with Gov. Huckabee whether they are LDS or not.

After your comments though, I am suddenly aware of where you are coming from on this. Funny how I thought it was something else entirely more legitimate. Shame on me.
PC writes: Wednesday, August, 27, 2008 4:55 PM
gunlock
The state polls that show Romney making a difference are really stacking up - it's getting ridiculously undeniable.
PC writes: Wednesday, August, 27, 2008 4:53 PM
eddie too
Huckabee isn't worthy of any cabinet position, nor is he qualified for one.

He's not a team player and will not be rewarded.
gunlock bill writes: Wednesday, August, 27, 2008 4:52 PM
ed2
ed2: Based on Romney's results from the primaries, it appears he does not have the electoral appeal necessary to win national office.

GB: And Huckabee DOES have the electoral appeal?

Whatever it is you are smoking ed2 it isn't good for you.

PC writes: Wednesday, August, 27, 2008 4:51 PM
Why are we re-hasing Huckabee
When he had no shot for the primary and even less of a shot for VP?

Because Huckabee keeps inserting himself into the story. He knows he's toast politically with everyone but his die-hard HucksArmy.

He needs to keep them revved up, and boy are they. Just take a gander over there or at the HuckPAC blog.

Huckabee can get a lot of mileage out of them. They looooooove him. We know Huckabee cannot resist that. It keeps him relevant with at least someone.
eddie too writes: Wednesday, August, 27, 2008 4:51 PM
fitzw,

are you referring to the LDS lies. The LDS have been asked repeatedly for any instance that Governor Huckabee attacked the LDS religion. Nothing has been discovered or disclosed. The anti-LDS schtick was created by Romney supporters to damage Governor Huckabee's reputation. Yep, these are the same people who excoriate Governor Huckabee as a candidate. They made the whole anti-LDS stuff up, to help Romney.
eddie too writes: Wednesday, August, 27, 2008 4:47 PM
Based on Romney's results from

the primaries, it appears he does not have the electoral appeal necessary to win national office. He may be a good Secretary of Commerce.

As so many have pointed out before, he had more name recognition, far more money, and the unembarrassed support of all conservative talk radio and he could not beat the moderate JSM or the hick from the sticks, Governor Huckabee. If that does not tell you about his electoral appeal nationally, you will never get it.
PC writes: Wednesday, August, 27, 2008 4:45 PM
Rush just gave Huck enough rope
I heard the interview. Rush remains unconvinced of Huckabee every which way from Sunday. Sure he allowed him on the show, and Huckabee had an opportunity to be a stand up guy, but he couldn't pull the trigger.

Hw really would sooner choke than legitimize Romney.

Rush knows the complete score, trust me.
fitzwdarcey writes: Wednesday, August, 27, 2008 4:43 PM
Not Huck. Sorry Eddie
I don't think it is Romney either. I think McCain would like to not pick Romney, and I think he will, therefore, find his reason.

However, it is so not Huckabee. Huckabee not only doesn't bring any states into play, he alienates at least three swing states that I can think of right now.
eddie too writes: Wednesday, August, 27, 2008 4:42 PM
throatwarb

where did you get the idea JSM does not trust Huckabee? Was it from the fact that Cindy McCain chose to take Huckabee with her on her visit to Africa?
eddie too writes: Wednesday, August, 27, 2008 4:41 PM
gbill,

whatever skeletons you might be imagining did not hurt the Governor in Ark. where he was re-elected three times. I am sure the voters of Ark. are more aware of the Governor's faults than the MSM, talk radio, the blogosphere and the anti-Huckabee cabal. If those skeletons did not stop them from re-electing the Governor three times, I seriously doubt those skeletons (small as they are) will hurt him with the rest of the country.
throatwarblermangrove writes: Wednesday, August, 27, 2008 4:28 PM
Not Huckabee
As little faith as I have in McCain, I don't believe he will choose someone he can't trust as a running mate.
eddie too writes: Wednesday, August, 27, 2008 4:25 PM
Rush C

I might be the only one in the world not surprised. He seems the obvious choice to me.
gunlock bill writes: Wednesday, August, 27, 2008 4:22 PM
RushConservative NOT
RCN: But wouldn't TH be interesting friday afternoon if he did pick Huck?

GB: True that!

McCain is a loose cannon. It isn't apparent who he will chose for VP.

It would really make it interesting if McCain picked Huckabee. The LSM would suddenly start exposing the Huckabee skeletons that they have kept hidden.

Oh the shine would really come off the Huckamessiah. The Huckabots heads would EXPLODE!!!!!

Pass the popcorn!!!!
Rush Conservative for Huck/2012 writes: Wednesday, August, 27, 2008 4:16 PM
potato, pototo
Paul got the delegates because there was a deal.

Period. end of discussion. it wasn't possible without either of Paul's or McCain's delegates.

The deal was made between Huck and Paul.
Rush Conservative for Huck/2012 writes: Wednesday, August, 27, 2008 4:13 PM
Eddie
I don't think McCain is going to pick either Huck or Romney.

But wouldn't TH be interesting friday afternoon if he did pick Huck?
hambones writes: Wednesday, August, 27, 2008 4:12 PM
eddie
The difference is that Huck has not been considered a serious veep possibility for months. And bloggers and commentators addressing something like the veep choice is quite different from possible candidates addressing it. All but Huck know better than to tear down the potential #2 (whoever that is) on the ticket.
gunlock bill writes: Wednesday, August, 27, 2008 4:08 PM
RushConservative NOT
From http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/02/05/paul-eliminated-wv a-gop-convention-voting-ends-without-winner/

"Huckabee won in the second round of voting, even though Mitt Romney led after the first round. The former Arkansas governor won with 51.5 percent to Romney’s 47.4 percent, pulling ahead after John McCain’s delegates apparently defected to his side.

The convention had to go into a second round of voting after no candidate took a clear majority the first time. Texas Rep. Ron Paul was knocked out, and Huckabee, Romney and McCain moved forward.

"Paul finished fourth with 10 percent among the 1,133 participating delegates in the first round, while Romney took 41 percent and Huckabee took 33 percent. McCain, who started the day in New York City before heading to California, reached the second round with 15 percent.

"But before Huckabee’s surprising turnaround in the second round, McCain delegates told FOX News they had been instructed by the campaign to throw their support to Huckabee."

Huckabee tried to give the impression that is was all about Ron Paul's delegates. Clearly that is false!!

Again Huck could have come clean and told the WHOLE truth and it would have been ok. But instead he tried to mislead Rush and his audience.

Just like you tried to mislead us into believing that it was Pauls delegates that put Huckaphony over the top. When the truth of the matter is that it was the McCain delegates that put Huckaphony over the top.

Cheers!!!!
K.G. writes: Wednesday, August, 27, 2008 4:08 PM
eddie too: The primary criterion for...
...a VP is the credibility to be POTUS at a moment's notice. Carly sounded good. (I believe she has some baggage though in her career). Sarah is great, but has not been on the national scene.

Neither woman has national or international stature. Huck's "performance" on Rush just shows what that man is made of: A wily, self-serving southern politician not to be trusted.

Like Bill Clinton, he's talented, but it's always about him.

Once again, Mitt's the last person standing. Now, will Maverick McCain pull some strange person out of the bag? Apparently, he still wants Lieberman. With that kind of thinking, anything's possible.

But any way you look at it, Mitt's still the strongest person to step into POTUS if needed.

Hillary would have insured Obama's election. With Biden (or anybody but Hillary), he will probably lose. Unless Mack's chooses someone clearly pro-choice, he will probably win no matter who his VP is.
eddie too writes: Wednesday, August, 27, 2008 4:05 PM
Rush Con,

you are right. What a concept!!! Huckabee strongarmed Limbaugh into having Huckabee on Limbaugh's show. Methinks the anti-Hucks are becoming incoherent in their hysterical fear that JSM may actually pick Huck.

I believe the anti-Huck hysteria is fueled by his support of the Fair Tax and his desire to do away with the 66,000 pages of the Federal Income Tax code that provides many loopholes for the country club Republicans to avoid federal taxes. The rich love the income tax code and are determined to prevent the Fair Tax.
eddie too writes: Wednesday, August, 27, 2008 4:00 PM
Huckabee would be doing the

party a disservice if he believed Romney's recent conversion to social conservatism was a problem and did not point this out to Republican's everywhere.

Certainly, there are Republicans who believe Romney's recent conversion is not a problem. They are freely stating that.

Also, it comes across as a bit hypocritical to castigate Huckabee's GOP credentials for giving his opinions on a Romney VP. Are these people so blind that they do not see themselves attacking the Republican Huckabee? They have no clue that they are doing the same thing they are criticizing. None are so blind as they who will not see.
Joe writes: Wednesday, August, 27, 2008 3:59 PM
Gunlock Bill
Fair enough. Which way is the hate flowing again?

I get the feeling that Mitt is the reluctant gun fighter in the bar would would rather avoid the fight and Huck is the drunk fool would rather call him out.

I have a pretty good idea how this will turn out.
Rush Conservative for Huck/2012 writes: Wednesday, August, 27, 2008 3:56 PM
CPL
"Rush allowed Huckabee on his show at Huckabee's own request, supposedly to set the record straight about why he was opposing Mitt Romney as vice president (not because of his religion, but because of his views according to Huckabee). He, of course, used the occasion to reiterate to Rush's vast audience why, in his view, Romney wouldn't be a good choice for veep. That kind of gamesmanship, of course, is what makes Huckabee a formidable politician. Doesn't convince me, however, that he's a particularly good (or given the statement above, a truthful) guy."


OK, Rush allows Mike on.....

No it doesn't do any good to think it through.

That paragraph is just hoplessly silly,
eddie too writes: Wednesday, August, 27, 2008 3:55 PM
For all of their whining,

protesting, objecting, attacking, lying and obfuscating, the anti-Huckabee forces have only seen Huckabee grow stronger. Do you think they have forgotten the old axiom? Insanity is doing them same thing over and over while expecting a different outcome.

Huckabee is the most experienced Republican executive who aspired to national office. Huckabee has proven he can attract Reagan Democrats, yourn voters, blue collar workers and social conservatives. All of these are important to Senator McCain's success in November. With Huckabee, McCain is ensured a "solid south" and can focus his resources in battleground states outside of the south (except for Virginia and Missouri).

It is important to remember every Dem who defects is essentiall two votes (increases JSM's count and decreases Obambi's count) for McCain.

It seems clear to me that Governor Huckabee will be McCain's pick. The only possible other selection is a woman. I have to admit, I was very impressed by Carly Fiorina on Fox News Channel last night. I could see her as VP.

gunlock bill writes: Wednesday, August, 27, 2008 3:55 PM
Huckabots!!
Read it and weep!

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/breaking-news/story/660701. html

Rush Conservative for Huck/2012 writes: Wednesday, August, 27, 2008 3:54 PM
Gunnie
Keep typing but not responding to my facts.

Par for the course.
jtb-in-texas writes: Wednesday, August, 27, 2008 3:53 PM
Huckster then. Huckster now.
Any Conservative stupid enough to vote for a former Arkansas Governor ought to have Bill Engvall give 'em their sign in front of their friends...
gunlock bill writes: Wednesday, August, 27, 2008 3:52 PM
RushConservative NOT
Keep drinking the Huckabot Kool-aid!!!
sheryl writes: Wednesday, August, 27, 2008 3:49 PM
Mitt knows he lost
Mitt isn't bitter folks. I think he even praised the strategy of the McCain/Huckabee/Paul in West Virginia after he left the primary as a smart move and wished he thought of it.

Mitt has moved on, wants to work the greater good of the country and the GOP party.

Huck is becoming like one of those jilted high schoolers who is now middle aged and still can't get over it.
gunlock bill writes: Wednesday, August, 27, 2008 3:48 PM
Joe
Joe: I recognize he and Romney hate each other, . . .

GB: Joe, wake up and smell the joe!!!

ALL indications are that the hate is ONE directional!!

Brianbnc writes: Wednesday, August, 27, 2008 3:45 PM
intra-party infighting
You can't have "intra-party infighting" when one of the bafoons isn't a party player.

People need to give the Huckster the attention he deserves - which is to ignore him completely.
Rush Conservative for Huck/2012 writes: Wednesday, August, 27, 2008 3:43 PM
Gunlock, et. al. NAALDS
Ron Paul got 3 delegates in the west virginia convention because Paul's delegates put Huck over the top. McCain's delegates got Huck close, but they were not enough.

It was a concerted effort on all three camps to defeat Romney. No doubt about that. No one has said that Huck and McCain made a deal, the only information that has been revealed is that McCain knew he was not getting 50%.

After that became known, Paul and Huck worked together for Paul to put Huck over the top. In exchange, Paul got three delegates. This is in print. follow the link

http://www.boston.com/news/politics/politicalintelligence/2 008/02/paul_claims_del.html

Was it immoral, NO. Was it to defeat Romney, Absoulutely. As Rush said, they were competitors in the primaries. Was if shady, No way. But was it political, Absolutely.

Sorry, NAALDS. Your guy lost, His money could not buy him the election, and after all that has went on in the last couple of weeks, I seriously doubt he is the VP nominee.
gunlock bill writes: Wednesday, August, 27, 2008 3:35 PM
FTA
"That claim, of course, runs counter to this news report -- and all the others."

GB: I am shocked, SHOCKED!!!!

Sarc/off
Joe writes: Wednesday, August, 27, 2008 3:34 PM
Palin the best pick, Romney second
(along with Cantor), followedy by Pawlenty.

Sorry Huckafans. Huck does not help. I recognize he and Romney hate each other, but they need to let that go for the bigger threats out there.
PC writes: Wednesday, August, 27, 2008 3:21 PM
Huckabee continues to betray the party
He said positive things about every other person Rush mentioned for VP but Romney. He would sooner choke.

Rush knows, as we all do, that Huckabee cannot stand Romney for many reasons, one being his religion and the other his wealth and success.

If Huckabee runs again, don't expect Rush to be so restrained when it comes to Huck. A guy can only take so much. He doesn't want to lose his evangelical listeners, but come on . . .

hambones writes: Wednesday, August, 27, 2008 3:19 PM
huck fans
Take note, this is the kind of thing that leads the rest of us to question his loyalty to party over self.

No other person who has been mentioned as a VP candidate has felt the need to tear down other possible picks.
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