Sunday, September 24, 2006
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Touch A Sore Spot, President Clinton?
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Posted by:
Hugh Hewitt at
5:49 PM
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Bill Clinton erupts when Chris Wallace makes the gentlest of inquiries about the new book The Looming Tower.
Watch the whole thing, and bookmark Bill's admission that the 9/11 Commission Report was a "political document." It was, of course, but only in the sense that it bent over to attempt to keep the Clinton Adminstration from suffering too much scrutiny.
But books like Lawrence Wright's cannot be manipulated, and so Clinton launches into a furious counterattack on Wallace, Fox and ABC, the Bush Administration and right wing critics and media. This fascinating bit of theater --part paranoia, part panic-- distills Clinton's argument to: "Who you going to believe, Dick Clarke and his memoir, or everybody and everything else?"
Bill Clinton's record vis-a-vis Osama cannot withstand even two minutes of sharp questions-and-answers. He's obliged to tightly control every encounter with the press, denounce every serious work of history, obfuscate by pointing to meeting after meeting or to non-sequitors like the fact that no one knew at the time that Osama was connected to Mogadishu (but when, Mr. Clinton, did you become aware of his connection), legal tap dancing --the FBI and CIA wouldn't let me do it-- and the worst of all, chest thumping about how he'd be waging the war if he was still president.
Whatever Clinton hoped to accomplish with this childish filibuster and tantrum, it guaranteed the opposite: No such fury is required when the facts are on your side. You don't have to control every encounter and explode with anger and accusations when asked if you would like to comment on a new book.
Here's just one relevant excerpt from my interview with Lawrence Wright on Friday:
LW: You know, it’s actually…and I see this as kind of a paradox, Hugh. Sudan was an open country for terrorists. You know, they had an Islamic revolution, and they opened their doors to anybody, any Muslim who wanted to come. And naturally, the ones who came were the ones that weren’t invited anywhere else. And so even…you had Carlos the Jackal there, and Abu Nidal, and all these different terrorist groups. And you had bin Laden, who had some money to give them. And it was in…during the Clinton administration, in 1996, that it was decided that bin Laden posed a threat by just being there. And so American authorities put pressure on the Sudanese to expel him. And the Sudanese first of all said well, do you want him? And you know, we didn’t have an indictment on bin Laden. There wasn’t very much that we could do with him. At the time, it may be that he hadn’t killed any Americans yet. So we said no.
HH: We being who?
LW: We being the State Department, and the NSC.
HH: Quite a lot of debate over whether or not President Clinton was involved in that decision. What do your researches tell you?
LW: Well, they did want to…you know, the Clinton administration clearly wanted to force bin Laden out of Sudan. They thought it was dangerous for him to be there. But the Sudanese argued, listen, he’s going to go to Afghanistan. Here, he’s under watch. Here, he has investments. You know, at least you know his address. If he goes to Afghanistan, nobody will be in control.
HH: But when…let me press you on this point. When Sudan offered bin Laden to the United States, and we said no, and you said State Department and NSC, do you think President Clinton was involved in that decision?
LW: Well, you know, it certainly reflects his administration’s policies.
Bill Clinton audio confirming this account can be listened to here.
What is astonishing is that in the five years since 9/11, the Democratic Party and the nation's media has become even more feckless about the threat from Islamist terror than Bill Clinton was --and remains.
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We’ll have to wait and see if Mr. Clinton was able to boost sales of Richard Clarke’s book the way Chavez did to for Noam Chompsky. |
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Recall after 9/11, when many a Clinton/Democrat defender in the media repeated the mantra that Clinton's people presented their successors "the plan," for dealing with osama, but that BUSH'S laxity and incompetence prevented that plan from being executed.
Well, of course the Bush administration didn't answer that criticism, but they did provide some people to provide background briefs to members of the media. And one of those people making the briefs WAS CLARKE, AND IT WAS CLARKE BEFORE he became embittered. And when queried about "the plan" that the Clinton administration left all ready to go, but that wanted only Presidential approval, CLARKE blew that little fantasy out of the water by saying: "WHAT PLAN, THERE WAS NO PLAN...." And that was taped, which was used to blow Clarke himself out of the water after his biased, partisan, embittered and nauseating testimony before the contemptible 9/11 Commission. |
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One thing too should be noted, what all of us saw in Clinton's face during that interview, was his soul, his essence, and it was the soul and essence of a rapist, a liar, an egomaniac.
THAT was what scared the h-ll out of women like Wiley, Broderick, et al. |
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Clinton in 1996, he introduced the first anti-terrorist legislation to a Republican congress. Newt and th good ole boys scoffed and accused him of wagging the dog. That's the fact Jack. |
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If there are those who want to play the Begalia here on this thread, perhaps they should remember that it isn't about "the big he," nor is it about "POTUS." It's about the American people, it's about the thousands of Americans dead, and it's about the thousands of American kids orphaned.
For Clinton, you can't help but conclude that he's more concerned about history's verdict. He needs to forget about it, for a hundred plus years from now, all of the Clinton flacksters aren't going to be able to prevent those people from focusing "like a laser beam," on his feckless stewardship of American national security.
And as for Kosovo, the problem wasn't about Kosovo, it was about muslim terror, brewed in the Mideast. But instead of killing muslim enemies of this country, Clinton preferred to wine and dine that degenerate Arafat, because he believed that by tackling the "Palestinian problem," he WAS tackling the roots of terror.
Clinton got it all wrong.
Wrong about Oslo.
Wrong about Arafat.
Wrong about North Korea.
Wrong about the "grand bargain" offered to Tehran.
Wrong about it all.
Especially about Monica. |
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On and on he goes. Defending, whining, blustering, smiling , smirking, oggling, all in an effort for legacy. He has a legacy. In 8 years, one piece of legislation that he and Newt agreed upon: welfare reform. That is it. Then 8 years of military, national security weaknesses. The blow up by Bill is a reminder that Dan gave, his bully type attitude has been remarked by all of those women that no one believes. But, we saw it tonight on TV. He shakes his finger when he lies, remember? He and Mdm. Albright gave us N.Korea, Iraq, Iran , Sudan, Somalia because he did not make a concerted effort to deal with them but passed them down the line to W. Perhaps after tonight, voters may actually remember the facts of a void in our national security for 8 years because of a narcissist. |
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T. Tom Sawyer--
Why exactly would Republicans--or anyone else for that matter--have accused him of wagging the dog in '96? No one knew about Monica until 1998.
Nice try though... |
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Byron York at NRO today closed his piece there by basically saying that President Clinton, were he as focused on getting Bin Laden and fighting terrorism as he professes he was, he did nothing to bring the power of the Presidency to bear in the face of CIA, FBI and military efforts to hamper him.
That's a conclusion I also reached as I watched Clinton discuss the criticisms from the Right and the lack of cooperation from CIA and FBI.
Assume for a moment that all he said about that in today's interview is true. So what? Were you not the President? Does the President not have teh authority to order Executive agencies to take specific actions at his behest?
Say what you will about everything else attached to this topic, but such disclosures indicate, at least to me, that Bill Clinton lacked the courage of his convictions on the issue if he let himself be dissuaded by resistance within his own Government. |
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It was nice for a moment to remember a time when the President was well-read and eloquent. Trying to pin 9/11 on Clinton shows the sorry state of decay the Bush White House has come to. He is right after all. He was closest to capturing Bin Laden.
After 3000 Americans died on 9/11, Mr. Bush has only managed to send another 3000 to their deaths in Iraq. We have no Bin Laden. Late reports are showing that Iraq has increased terrorism. We have alienated ourselves from the world political stage.
Clinton may always be known for what happened with his affair, but Bush will always be remembered for the futile war he created. Both are serious blunders. Though one cost a man his ego, and the other the lives of thousands of men and women in their prime of life. |
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His legacy shall be like Nero, a man who indulged in degeneracy and small minded intrigues instead of building up Rome.
Clinton had his chance to leave his brand upon history, he had unprecedented historical opportunities, but instead he allowed himself to be obsessed with temporal poll numbers.
His photograph shall in the future be in dictionaries, as the poster child for frivolousness.
Nero watched while Rome burned.
Clinton idly watched, while killers prepared themselves to orphan THOUSANDS of American children. |
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Poor James' comment reveals the decay of moral relativism, intellectual "sloppiness" and glib, political flackery.
Poor James, history's verdict has already been rendered. And your morbid hero Clinton KNOWS it. Accept it, reconcile yourself to it, the rapist President showed his true colours, his true "character."
Berger can lift all the documents he craves from the National Archives, in some sad, squalid and sordid attempt to alter the historical record. His attempts shall prove as successful as Nero's. Clinton's creatures avail themselves nothing.
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Almost three thousand people died at the Twin Towers and still Bill Clinton can't bring himself to say he had a part along with the terrorist on how those people died. There's a responsibility the Democrats can't get Clinton out of. There's a lack of backbone and then there's Monica. Blame it on the FBI and the CIA as much as you want Clinton, the fact remains your were President and it was you job to protect the American people. You failed on both counts. First being President, second protecting the Ameican people. The only thing you, the Democrats, and especially the media was protecting was your rights to have a private sex life outside of your marriage. Clinton has been doing just fine letting President Bush take all the blame for the Twin Towers and not even admitting there was something he could have done. Clinton still won't admit, he could have done something. Preventing the Path to 9/11 was out of Clinton's control. It was someone else fault. It has always been someone else fault. With Bill Clinton the buck never stop with him. |
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I saw the pictures on Drudge of course, and I saw the brief you tube video in which he said the *right wingers* did nothing for 8 months, but any more of him up with I could not put.
Frankly, I think Chris Wallace was easy on him. I would have asked *what information was in the documents inside Sandy Berger's pants?* It was really a slow ball question...all Clinton had to say was given what we knew then we did what we could and then start talking about whatever scam his Global Initiative is...frankly I think the Global Initiave is just another way to line the Clinton's pockets..but who knows. Instead, he goes into overdrive quoting of all people that bureaucrat Richard Clarke.
I would like to think that this *hurt* his legacy in some way, but realistically, the kool aid drinkers are appeased (30%), those who are not idiots know he was lying (35%) and the rest of the country was sleeping late. I'm probably actually being generous in those estimates.
Still, there is no question he is a classic example of narcissitic personality disorder. Too bad more of the country doesnt get it. |
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Didn't Clinton contradict himself in the interview?
Didn't he say the CIA and FBI refused to "certify" Bin Laden was culpable and then turn around and say he tried to hire some third party to kill him?
So, how can you (legally or morally)not go after a guy because he isn't "certified" by your people but then arrange to have him executed?
Oh, and was it just me or did his mouth go dry? Between that and his body language (defensive)his behavior was one gigantic "tell" he was lying through his teeth (again). |
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Sorry folks but I, the conspiracy theorist, think you are all dupes.
The show was taped on Friday and aired on Sunday. There are elections coming up in November.
Do you all really think Clinton, after all these years, would just "blow up".
It's called cold, calculated theatrics. The Clintons are cozying up to Rupert Murdoch, you all.
If this were a live Janet Jackson moment then I might buy into what what Hugh was saying.
If Clinton were not the consumate control freak I might buy into his "losing it".
If this were not election season and the Clintons not the favorite punching bag of the right I might buy into it.
But no, this was taped on Friday and aired on Sunday. Both sides could have easily pulled the plug on the showing and didn't. Clinton, even if he did "lose it", most assuredly had time to think about it afterwards. In media it is the responsibility of the interviewer, not the interviewee, to keep the interview on track. Clinton didn't just "go off", Wallace if he were interested in a "real" interview would've cut Clinton off early on. It's called professional interviewing.
No, this was all very calculated theatrics and you all are dupes.
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I only have one question. If a Dem is elected President in ’08 and a major terrorist attack comes 8 months into his term, are you all going to look back and say Bush didn’t do enough or his policies were to blame. Of course not! You are all going to say “see, we told you this would happen with a pansy Dem. in office” Loudest blamer of all will be ”The Demoracts will put us in mortal danger Cheney.” Clinton has to defend himself strongly from election-time attacks or suffer the way Kerry did for ignoring the Swift-Boaters. |
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...and his assertion that he and Clinton, "did all they could and developed a plan". Yeah,whatever.
edition.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/03/25/rice.rebuttal
Jag: you're correct, this happens to Clinton when he gets nervous and upset, I've watched it for years, it always made him look weak and was a clear sign something was up...sorry, that's Monica's line.
BTW - Clinton's behavior is classic Histrionic, why won't he just go away? Some of his rants sounded like he was running for President again! Thank the stars above that he can't! |
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Seeing bill Clinton allowed me to remember a time when our country had an intelligent, articulate leader. Perhaps 2008 can bring such a leader back into the White House? This country has been misled for the past 6 years by a Neo-Conservative administration. Although it would have been funny to watch W, once again, fumble through sentences while spouting fear slogans to the American public, I would rather watch Bill Clinton any day. No wonder he had a 70% approval rating when he left office. |
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Does President Bush or Rice or any other respectable Government officials act like former President Clinton by putting reporters' questions "in context"? And Clinton contradicts himself. He says it's an attack job and then admits it's a legitimate question. He points repeatedly to the 9/11 Report and then when Wallace uses same to show lameness in Clinton policy, Clinton says it's a political document. Clarke's book contradicts Clinton as well. So, whatever. If I were Wallace I would have asked, "So, this is the first time you've been asked this, isn't it? And you say FOX is biased?" also, "Mr. President, what was in Sandy's pants if you had nothing to be ashamed of in terms of national defense?" Watching Clinton is fun. The reason a lot of Americans loved the Clintons is the same reason they love General Hospital or Flava Flav's show - drama. |
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I don't blame Clinton, and I don't blame Bush for 9/11. I blame certain emissaries of the religion of peace. If there are further attacks in the US, I won't assign blame to whoever's in power. I don't blame the local police when a crime is committed--I blame the criminal.
However, government is accountable to citizens to take steps to neutralize a threat who has demonstrated capability to attack us on foreign soil, and the stated intentions to attack us on our soil, as were the conditions prior to 9/11.
Looking back at the Clinton administration, he demonstrated early on with Waco that he diffused responsibility for law enforcement and national security actions. Military leaders need to know that they have the backing of the civilian leadership, and that any mistakes are not going to result in shaming or prosecution. After the Cole bombings, he admitted that he could not get the CIA/FBI to "certify" that bin Laden was responsible--a perfect example of Clintonian weasel wording. We had established his culpability for the Embassy bombings and Khobar Towers (which killed one of my comrades), yet he acted as if the statutes of limitations had run out and that he needed a new indictment.
He was a man, as demonstrated by Richard Morris (filters prevent me from posting his real name), completely governed by his approval ratings (probably due to his psychopathologies). He was not prepared to take potentially unpopular national security actions, as is the case with Bush. His national security strategy in dealing with 21st century threats was an absolute joke--he gutted the military with force cuts and overdependence on guardsmen/reservists.
His devotion to solving the Middle East "conflict" has, well, not been terribly effective.
It's also amusing for him to cite his imagined opposition by neocons of his "decisive military engagements" in light of the continual attacks by Democrats on Bushitler and crew. We Republicans are all pacifists?!
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Clinton always says that he woulda done this or woulda done that (Global warming, AIDS, protecting American interests, anyone?) He was President for 8 years. Love him or hate him, does President Bush let anyone stop him when he thinks he's right? "The CIA, the FBI, they wouldn't LET me! waaaaahhhhhh! It's their fault! Wako! Elias? All Reno's fault! Waaaaahhhhh! Why are you being mean to me? I'm Bill Clinton! I had the number one show in the Country for 8 years! Waaahhhhhh!!!" What a jerk.
BTW- I coulda played centerfield for the Reds and batted cleanup but someone was mean to me once and said "no". |
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And I could have salvaged the White Sox season if it weren't for my lack of ability...
I'd like to address this issue that was brought up about the National Intelligence Estimate (NIE). Wouldn't it be great if our intel agencies were helping to overthrow the Iran regime (again) or brainwashing assassins to infiltrate the al-Qaeda inner circle instead of trying to destabilize the Bush regime?
Interesting timing too, coming right before the election. Being an incomplete citation, it certainly plays into the Democrats' hands. It's not plausible how our decision to go to war in Iraq would increase the already-substantial threat of terrorism in the US, which is what our primary concern is. |
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THIS
I am a retired union construction worker and a Vietnam era veteran.
A few years ago while I was still working I saw a guy on the job wearing a shirt I really liked. I stopped him and told him so. He asked if I was a veteran and I told him yes.
A few days ago he came up to me and gave it to me - all washed and nice and folded and I still have it and wear it proudly.
It says:
Only in America does a homeless vet sleep in a cardboard box while a draft-dodger sleeps in the White House
I want it to last a long time so I don't wear it often but I have never gotten called down while wearing it - people know what it is about and they either shut up or compliment (sp?) me on it.
And I forgot the name of the guy who gave it to me.
AND
Mountain Rose - Thanks for the piece advising us to stop squabbling with each other (even though it is fun) and concentrate on the fact that the real filthy mcnasties are about half a world away from us.
THAT
Google Sam Harris. (please) He wrote a piece in the L.A. Times a week ago entitled: HEAD-IN-THE-SAND LIBERALS Western Civilization really is at risk with Muslim extremists
(Sit down - this is RICH)
"Perhaps I should establish my liberal bona fides at the outset. I'd like to see taxes raised on the wealthy, drugs decriminalized and homosexuals free to marry. I also think that the Bush administration deserves most of the criticism it has received in the last 6 years - especially with respect to its waging of the war in Iraq, its scuttling of science (?)-me) and its fiscal irresponsibility.
"But my correspondence with liberals has convinnced me that liberalism has grown dangerously out of touch with the realities of our world - specifically with what devout Muslims believe about the West, about paradise and about the ultimate ascendance of their faith.
"On questions of national security, I am now as wary of my fellow liberals as I am of the religious demagogues on the Christian right.
(Here comes the good part!!)
"This may seem like frank acquiescence to the charge that "liberals are soft on terrorism." It is, and they are."
To quote Dave Barry - I am NOT making this up
ETC. - heard the latest RED-HOT rumor? - our buddy ubl has died somewhere in Pakistan. just after the video showing the latest #2 in al-q'aida shooting a Turk in the back of his head. That takes guts. What sort of god tells someone to do something like that? None that I worship. The God that I worship was nailed to a tree and before He died He said "Father, forgive them for they know not what they do."
See the difference? |
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Clinton's not running for office dudes. He's just setting the stage for the election blodletting to come. Certainly, the current administration were handed a ration of sh*t when the terrorists succeeded in 2001, but since then have deluded themselves and the nation into thinking a military solution exists to this threat. Imagine if we sank hundreds of billions a year into the creative task of developing alternative fuels instead of propping up Iraq? but wait, that would drive the price of oil into the ground, and we couldn't do that without upsetting our friends in texas, now, could we. |
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I get the sense that Clinton wanted to go after bin Laden, but that the entire rest of his administration was ambivalent. Maybe this explains why it's such a sore point. Even the President in only one person in a very large government.
Clinton might be one of only a very few leading Democrats who might have actually invaded Afghanistan to go after Osama. And he probably would have allocated more troops to getting bin Laden than Bush has, looking in every hole in Afghanistan while Osama hides out in Pakistan. And he would have all the troops he would want since he almost certainly would not have invaded Iraq.
Meanwhile, Saddam would have complete operating freedom. Sanctions would have been lifted and a nuclear arms race between Iraq and Iran would be a race to see who would get the credit for pushing the American infidels out of the region.
Eventually, terrorist regimes with nuclear capability would control much of the world's oil supply, with the ability to enforce a boycott against the US, if they so desired.
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Clinton was a thinker and not a doer. Bush actually analyzes the situation and then takes a decision AND THEN FOLLOWS IT THROUGH. Clinton checked the polls, looked at the popular problem (probably felt bad about whatever it was) and then checked with his staff and pollsters and then proposed it. When it was rebuffed, he did nothing and blamed opposition or his own people. Managers everywhere in the US know that if your people mess up IT'S YOUR OWN FAULT. "The Buck Stops Here" - who said that? Oh yeah a Dem named Truman. It's laughable when a disbarred attorney and impeached Prez who doesn't know what "is" is tells a reporter to put something in context and tell the truth. Loser. Bush = Winner because he is a leader and not a whiner. |
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Bobby,
Nice to hear from the far left on a beautiful Monday.
"Seeing Bill Clinton reminded me of a time when our country had an intelligent, articulate leader."
Was that when he nearly leaped into Mr. Wallace's lap to accuse him of the "right wing hit job?"
Or perhaps when his face was purple with rage for being asked difficult questions?
Or maybe when he continuously emphasized his point by literally interrupting Mr. Wallace's questions to throw around "hatchet job", "neocons", "right wingers", etc.
Maybe it was when asked a question, he couldn't answer the question honestly...like "I couldn't get the FBI or CIA to do anything..." Hello! You are head of the Executive Department of the United States Government and those are Executive Departments. Are you unable to control your own government? (that answer need not be supplied).
Seems to me an "intelligent, articulate leader" would actually 1) allow a person to ask the question, 2) answer the question as best as he can without accusing the person asking the question of various conspiracies, and 3) NOT threaten the questioner with their emotions and physical presence. That is the sign of either a bully or someone full of bull----. Either way, not an "intelligent, articulate leader".
You saw Bill Clinton as he really is in that interview...a bully who intimidates to get his way, especially when he can't control the situation. I'll take a guy like George Bush who can't pronounce "nuclear" (nucular just KILLS me) but is cordial and doesn't play games. He is who he is. Too bad more of our leaders don't let us see the real them.
Of course, I'm not a Bush sycophant. I am no longer that much in love with the Republican Party. But I am also intelligent enough to know that when the best your party can do is John Kerry and Howard Dean, thanks I'll pass. |
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Keep it up, Hugh. The more you can make your theo-con readers raise a ruckus about Clinton's loss of cool, the more you can avoid dealing with the real issues, questions, truth. |
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Oh do share--what is truth? What are the real issues? What are the questions? Should I tune in to Keith Dobermann?
How about: would we be having this discussion about war in Iraq and Afghanistan had Bill Clinton taken custody of bin-Laden when he had the opportunity? |
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"You saw Clinton as he really is in that interview" -- and you have what, an intimate relationship with him? |
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In an interview today with Lanny Davis on the John Gibson show, Davis tried to defend Clinton AND Clarke with some "plan" that was handed off to the Bush Administration...and then we see the full picture...
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,115085,00.html
This link takes you to a press conference with Richard Clarke the refutes Clinton's AND Clarke's claim that they "handed" off some plan.
RICHARD CLARKE: Actually, I've got about seven points, let me just go through them quickly. Um, the first point, I think the overall point is, there was no plan on Al Qaeda that was passed from the Clinton administration to the Bush administration.
More photoshop history for the Histrionic Clinton and his lost legacy. Poor ol'Bill. |
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