Good shot,Lad.Think I'll suggest spanking the
looney brobby with it.
Haven't yet corresponded with one Trooper or Marine who used the term.Or was unwelcoming to a person who'd not been in uniform,but supports them AND their mission. What a concept. |
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"chickenhawk" are the chickens. Nothing new here. |
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...just like a lot of other girls in politics.
But for some reason, leftists won't admit that hillary used her sex to dodge the draft. Hmmm. Hypocrites, all! |
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...judgment, but for the hero of Baumberg to call him a coward is a bit much.
I've never understood why Hugh is so impressed with Kos, when all he did was take Tammany Hall (another fine Democratic Party tradition) and put it on line... with less electoral success. |
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Brian,my friend,I salute your Saint Level Patience with the Blabbery Beyond All Bets Brob.
Now,FOCUS: You're talking reason to an empty...
that's EMPTY,as in Vapid,Vacuous,Blind,Boob...
Telephone.If you continue to take up room with this black hole of need...a veritable VORTEX of suction...I'm gonna have to ask Dusty to smack you with a Helicoptor blade.SNAP out of it!!
You're making this 'twit's life have meaning.It doesn't.Trust me. |
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get to wear a Wellington costume? |
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There's not much funnier than seeing a bunch of "Support The Troops" fanatics disrespecting the service of those with whom they disagree. A real class act.
Its even better when one considers that the majority of you are chickenhawks who never wore a uniform! |
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I have a long answer for that, but the bottom line is a citizen has a duty to his country and personal feelings must sometimes be put aside.
If you truly have a moral objection, you can apply for CO status. In WWII, there were many desertions, but they were still shooting deserters back then.
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To debate these trolls because you first have to spend an inordinate amount of time addressing all of their factual errors and half truths before you can even start a discussion on the subject at hand. This in addition to having to ignore their illogical comparisons, attempts at distraction by going off topic and ad hominen attacks.
If you insist on debating these guys, it would do you well practicing against a bunch of 5th graders to prepare yourself.
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that Senator Webb analyzed this bill on its merits and decided it's a good power for the U.S. government to have to deal with our enemies. Nah, he must be absolutely spineless in order to have not followed the dictates of the great and powerful Kos.
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...the Democratic Party at some point--unless he is the vice president. He can't really go back to being a Republican, but he can join with Joe Lieberman as an Independent. If you think he has anything in common with the Daily Kos, read his books. He cannot stand the left, particularly its views on foreign policy, but also its views on feminism. Jim (I knew him well, once) is a fiercely loyal American, and you better never call him a "coward" if you value your nose. |
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LOL, buddy. Your having way to much fun.
Hey I remember you guys in LA. I was in San Diego at the time. |
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DURN crazy infestation of KosKids whilst I've been out doing Vast Good for Humanity today.
Dusty,I think Brob's been drinking the same koolaid as rae & the lithium deprived oclibrul.
The swill from the roaches on this thread is past 'borderline'hysterical.
KOS-NUTS:John-Did you know I seved 4 months in Vietnam 38 years ago?-Kerry's Full Military Records have,TO THIS DAY,not been released.
KOS-NUTS II:In addition to the 'chickenhawk'
FDR,please add Abe Lincoln who had drilled a few weeks once with the Illinois Militia.
KOS-NUTS III:My credentials for wanting our brave armed forces to kill,break & maim our despicable enemies from Radical Islam are:
60's-mid70's Lefty.Long Time Anti-Viet Nam War activest.Helped organize the old L.A.Peace Action Council,part of which morphed into the National Peace Action Coalition....THEN, I Grew the F up,got mugged by reality,made some amends
and have been a Cabal Warmonger Member since '80.
Chickenhawk this,Lefty Slime.
I REALLY know--UP CLOSE--where you little twits come from.
Dusty & Paddy:Take NO prisoners !
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During Nam, we still had the draft. Many of those who fought and died would loved to have "thought it was immoral."
The future behavior of this Clinton person leads me to seriously doubt any "moral" objection. I have not detected any morals in the man.
His only moral objection was to the bullets that may have been fired in his direction.
But since this is a post about cowardly behavior, let's start with guys who have "moral objections." |
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But surely, at least from a libertarian position, you can argue that the state can't obligate a civilian to prosecute a war he believes to be wrong.
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Sure glad our fighting men in WWII didn't follow that idea. |
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Well, of all the.....you are just a brute, a perfect example of the kind of BULLY which permeates the Left in this country.
No better example of a bully there is than you, you, you....
It still does not change the abyssmal nature of your fatherhood. You can chatter all you want but it is so. The bullying behavior you exhibit to all on this board is yet another example of the type of person you are to your kids.
Heatseeker has sought out, uncovered, and exposed your ugly little truth. Heatseeker out! |
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*Sorry heatseeker, I don't usually respond to trolls properly*
POT KETTLE !!!
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I swear I saw somebody claim that Clinton's draft dodging was the right thing to do, because he didn't "believe in the war". So now draft dodging is the "right thing to do".
Moral compass... spinning... wildly... |
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Sorry heatseeker, I don't usually respond to trolls properly. It's too bad you can't enjoy the company of children anymore since the judge issued that restraining order keeping you 500ft from schools.
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Yep, me and David Vitter are well connected.
Now, how inconsiderate of you to respond to a question by asking one.
This is simply another example of what a poor pop you are. It is these types of inconsiderations and bad examples which have rubbed off on your legacy. Pathetic. |
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Kos has no real argument for resisting this bill except that it was proposed by George Bush whom these folks view as preferring to lie when the truth would serve him better and having the real intent to listen to their phone calls to their paramours, as if anybody would care.
Historians will puzzle over the insane hatred of these people for Bush, Cheney, et al., especially if the nation ever stops navel-gazing and examines the substance of their howlings. In that case, the Democrats will run from them like horriified diners from a plate of cockroaches. |
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Thanks, but I can still fly with the right. My pilot took over. (yeah co-pilots fly too.)
The hand is fine, get some pain during the cold season, but hey I'm not 18 anymore, so everthing hurts every so often! (-:
I have a nice Glock 40... sweet. |
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God bless you, man! I bet you kept right on working.
Hope you can still use that hand.
I understand slowly squeezing the trigger on a Glock 40 is good for that.....! :-) |
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It's a good thing he's so humble.....
VERY HUNBLE... |
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These are the Senators Kos claims acted "cowardly":
Daniel Inouye (Hawaii)
From wikipedia bio:
"Six months later, when the Army dropped its ban on Japanese-Americans serving in the Army, he dropped his premedical studies and in 1943 he enlisted in the Army.[2] He was assigned to the Nisei 442nd Regimental Combat Team, which became the most highly-decorated unit in the history of the U.S. Army. During the World War II campaign in Europe he received the Bronze Star and also the Distinguished Service Cross, which was later upgraded to the Medal of Honor. Although he lost his right arm in the war he remained in the military until 1947, discharged with the rank of captain..."
The Senator has politics that are different from mine, but I would never call this man a coward. |
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PH. Shot thru the left hand when we doing an EVAC of some wounded MARINES in the mountains of Pleiku.
Man it hurt, (-: |
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...would LOVE to see Kerry's service record. I'm not even sure you GET a fitrep in four months....! :-)
....and oh the stories of heroism that must accompany those famous "three Purple Hearts!" It's a good thing he's so humble.....huh Dusty? |
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Kerry's records LOL.. I have NO problem at all. Look up Cam Ranh Bay 1971 57th medical unit. But sorry to say DAD.. Kerry has still not released his FULL records. Most of that info deals with his medals and how he got them. |
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... the more shrill, off-topic, non-sequitor, and truth-challenged the lefties and their poor BDS-ridden "Useful Idiots" become...
I'm starting to believe in universal MENTAL Health Care... as long as it's mandatory...
But seriously, I wonder if "they" aren't really just one pathetic little sock-puppeteer like Glenn Greenwald ("http://patterico.com/2006/07/27/annotated-wuzzadem-the-facts-behind-the-greenwald-sock-puppetry/")
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ClaritySeeker isn't that what David Vitter called his.....when he dialed that infamous phone number.
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Why don't you admit, for once, what a lousy job you've done as a parent? Why don't you come clean on the manifestation of ilk you rendered in the offspring you call kids?
Perhaps then, no guarantees, folks like Dustoff will divulge personal military records for the likes of you. |
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You are probably correct, but I try not to hold on too tightly to what people have done.... I hope they will do the same for me...
For the Lord, noone is beyond hope. I pray this person in particular receives that which is available to all of us. |
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Need you be schooled? Individuals such as "Kos" have no concept of appreciation, therefore they are not capable of providing gratitude.
Nor is this yahoo familiar with any sense of humility, and that, loosetoothsayer, will be his eventual downfall. So be it. |
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It's the same gawkers that drive by a car wreck. That's an appropriate analogy in so many ways. |
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What was the Navy's final ruling on John Kerry's medals? The Navy basically told the Swiftboats and the rest of the partisan hacks to shut up and sit down.
So, you and John Kerry have PH's, but yours is more valuable because you spent more time? I don't recall reading time served as a criteria for the award.
Maybe you'd consider releasing your entire service record the way John Kerry did so we can comb over it with a fine tooth comb and second guess the appropriate rulings and awards.
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Please be advised that this oc liberal is "hot and heavy" again in order to take the attention and focus off the incredible foolishness and nonsense "she" spewed regarding the defense of TNR and Scott Beauchamp. To be wrong as many times as "o"stensibly "c" orpulent liberal is, is demoralizing and, in the long term, very unhealthy. You have to give the individual some credit for the desire to survive in an otherwise dismal state.
I know, it is nothing short of pathetic to watch the steady degradation of a human, as evidenced by the truly, well, as Kos puts it, "shameful and ridiculous" nature of this person. Tsk, tsk. |
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Yep.
What did you get the PH for....? |
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DailyKos had more hits in July than any of the previous 8 months. We appreciate the advertising! |
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OC
Since you are not in control of your emotions, I will no longer feel the need to respond to any of your asinine ravings.
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I'm with you Paddy. OC is losing it.
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If President Clinton sent American troops to Iraq, I would back him. I backed him for his missle strikes against Iraq, even though they never fired missles at us. I backed him when he sent the military to the Macedonian area, even when we accidentally bombed the Chinese embassy. I didn't back him when he pulled us out of Somalia. I wanted him to send troops to help out in Rwanda. I'd back any president who felt we needed to act militarily overseas if we or our friends were in danger. I think it's good policy. |
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Since you are not in control of your emotions, I will no longer feel the need to respond to any of your asinine ravings.
Please do get back on your medication though, It's for your own good. |
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When Durbin and Biden actually say the Surge may be working, the other lefty Dems are in a twitter because they want to blame any war defeat(though they are the defeatists) on Bushie. And when a fruitcake like Mar says Webb is a coward, one wonders why the old Pub populist Webb strayed into Dem madness in Va. and perhaps when he sees how his fellow Dems flail hatred toward him, he might rethink his leaving the GOP and give the Pubs a 50-50 seat tie! LOL |
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If that "crack dealer" comment was directed at me, maybe I need to re-think my plans to send my kids to OC public schools. Explain why my argument against the retarded "chickenhawk" jibe requires the war in Iraq to be comparable to World War II.
The "chickenhawk" argument is essentially that a person who declines a chance to fight in a war is thereby barred from supporting any subsequent war. Is that a fair statement of the argument? If not, why not?
You seem to be arguing that the "chickenhawk" argument only applies to *some* wars, and not to others. What are the criteria for a war where the "chickenhawk" argument doesn't apply? Besides that it's presided over by a Democrat, that is. |
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One more thing... Remeber Winter Soldier who Kerry spoke about day after day how us guys were killing the people on NAM.
Then it was proven that he and his fellow soldiers had lied. Many of them (other than 4 month Kerry) had never served in NAM or saw action. |
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Bill Clinton opposed Vietnam and dodged the draft. He was against anyone being sent to fight there.
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Bill also wanted to be just like JFK. Who by the way........... SENT US TO NAM. LOL
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noone is saying that only military people should run for office or have opinions. That eliminates the entire left.
If you're trying to argue that because Clinton, Bush and Cheney did not serve in Nam that makes them the all same, I suggest you ask a soldier what he thinks.
The military loathes Bill Clinton. |
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for Republicans to simply stick to the tried and true formula for success: conservative principles. Why are our candidates stretching to the left? It's killing the Dems so keep your hands off of that hot stove! |
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So you have NO idea what Dustoff means do you?
Yes I have a PH. My job was to fly in under heavy fire and rescue our boys. Any other dumb questions you wish to ask. PS I served my FULL year too and didn't come back and smear my fellow soldiers. I saw and knew better of what was really going on in NAM. |
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oc liberal,
Feel free to call me all the names ("wingnut") you want, but I'm just trying to understand what you actually believe regarding the moral authority of a President to authorize use of the military.
Bill Clinton was of age during the Vietnam War, yet he didn't serve.
Therefore, are you saying that Clinton was a "chickenhawk" when he authorized military strikes ?
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"And yes, the chickenhawk argument never gets old, because it is true!"
Ah, yes. FDR was utterly contemptible for failing to serve in the Phillipine Insurrection or in WWI (he was of military age during both) and then getting us into World War II. |
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I love it when lefties call veterans weak.
What's that smell....are you baking...? |
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Re: the "chickenhawk" argument tossed around by people who actively despise all things military against those who admire soldiers but aren't soldiers themselves:
If it's so objectionable for civilians to have opinions on matters of war and peace, how about we amend the Constitution to provide that before military force can be authorized, there must be a referendum to a specially-elected "Council of Warriors" or "Knights' College." Only persons with military experience would be eligible for election, or to vote for members.
The College would essentially be on "standby" for most of the time, and would only be activated when a declaration of war or authorization to use military force came out of committee in Congress. Before formal debate could commence in Congress, the College would debate the matter, take a vote, and render an advisory opinion. The civilian authority of the general Congress would still be paramount, since the College's opinion would not be binding -- although legislators might find it difficult to go against the veterans' advisory opinion. |
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Were you awarded a Purple Heart, Bronze Star or Silver star? Are you calling all those who were awarded any of the following medals unworthy of the tag HERO? |
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Ah, my bad. Wishful thinking
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No it goes to show ALL of us, you don't know ZIP, but like a computer suck in loop, you repete the same thing over and over.
BORING! |
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And your point is????
What your childern do after they grow up. Is for them to decide not YOU or Dad or Mom.
I bet when you left home you went into what ever job YOUR father told you to do... yeah right.
Your statement is quite dumb and foolish. |
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oc liberal,
Since you subscribe to the "chickenhawk" argument, you would logically assert that Barack Obama does NOT possess the moral authority to bomb Pakistan---or anyone else---on account of the fact that HE never served in the military, right ? |
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John Kerry????????
He served but was no HERO. ( 4 months) |
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Do you sit in your basement and make up words? Fetishize, is that like co-oberate? |
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Who cares what Markos Whatever The F His Name Is says? He is a loser. Don't we all understand this already? |
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Kos & Stalin. a marriage made in HELL.
But they both need each other. |
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And be called a political "coward" -- the Right did it to George McGovern and John Kerry, and I'm sure the present company can find examples of the Left doing the same.
As much as we should remember our veterans and military men and women, under no circumstances should we fetishize them once in office. Valor on a battlefield may or may not lead to bold leadership once in office - even a general can end up being a Grant as much as an Eisenhower.
The Democrats elected Senators like Webb to cut down on programs like FISA, and despite Bush's historically low popularity they couldn't do it. The GOP would be just as angry were circumstances switched.
Your 24-hours-a-day partisanship leaves you open to make a lot of poor accusations, Dean.
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Why would Senator Jim Webb "be out on his ear in 08"?
Since you're so keen on political insight, you must know that United States Senators have SIX-YEAR terms, not two-year terms. |
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Everyone remember the Democratic response by Webb when he explained that if Bush doesn't start pulling the troops back, the Democrats will show him the way?
"If he does, we will join him. If he does not, we will be showing him the way."
Apparently Webb and company haven't done a good job at "showing him the way".
"U.S. troop levels in Iraq highest in war"
-August 8, 2007
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-iraq_08aug08,1,1854762.story
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Webb has to protect his flank in a state going from red to purple. What was Feinstein thinking in solid blue California? Feinstein probably won't again run in 2012 and only has to answer to her neighbors in Pacific Heights. Either Debra Bown Gavin Newsome, or Villargoirosa will make a nice replacement for Feinstein. |
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Does talk radio have the memory of goldfish? This is that guy that booted George Allen from the very red state of Virginia. Webb rode the race card all the way to Washington. |
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Is there anything not considered as, "shameful" and "ridiculous" in Kos' view of things unorderly in world? |
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Is it that not all Democrats are Socialists, that some are like the Honorable Senator Liebermann or like Scoop Jackson. Well, perhaps you're correct but still Senator Webb is an opportunistic soul, who deserves scorn for his flipping sides just to get into the senate.
Oops, that's what Norm Coleman did; excuse me all to heck; Normy did it not to get into the senate but to make his run for governor, which then led to his chance at the senate. Well, two wrongs don't make a right, so to coin a phrase: "Screw 'em!"
And, that phrase certainly applies to Herr Komrade Kos; Socialist scum that he is.
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Barnett believes Webb is 'smart and tough and intelligent'. Webb might be tough - probably can afford to be tough packing his '45, ignoring DC law by the way - but no so sure how intelligent.
Webb is a redistribute the wealth Dem - he is a populist / socialist. That's pretty smart in today's global economy, eh, Dean? Webb's energy policy consists of not drilling offshore of VA which is feasible but liquifying coal and pumping coal CO2 into the ground which is not economicaly feasible. I guess you can't get much smarter than that.
Webb would love to surrender in Iraq and probably vacate every military base outside our borders. But heh he would call them foreigners names as he was leaving - that's how tough he is.
And what a class act, bragging about insulting the President, Mrs. Bush, and Mr. Rove on an invite to the White House.
Come to think of it, I believe Dean is as 'tough and smart and intelligent' as Webb. |
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This is typical of leftist, lock-step thinking. The GOP truly is the big tent party, while the Democrats are the party of litmus “purity” tests. You can be right on 98% of their agenda, but dare step out of the party line on even one issue, and you get muzzled (Bob Casey), or drummed out of the party (Lieberman), or called a traitor to a hysterical anti-war movement you never even signed onto (Webb).
In 2006 the Dems finally won a significant election victory for the first time in ten years, and they did it by easing off the radicalism and running more mainstream moderate candidates like Webb and the many southern blue dog Democrats who won congressional races in 2006. Webb and these others never could have been elected by channeling Russ Feingold. The stage had been set earlier when moderate Democrats like Virginia Governor Tim Kaine won election in 2005 by essentially adopting a Republican platform, or much of one, under a Democrat name.
This was smart politics and is the way the system is supposed to work. A party isn’t supposed to be held captive by its most doctrinaire members (like Kos). It is supposed to respond to the electorate. The Dems temporarily rediscovered this truism after their stinging defeat in 2004.
Unfortunately, success quickly (instantly) went to their heads, and now they want to pretend that the swing voters in 2006 were actually trying to elect Barbara Boxer when they voted for Jim Webb, so now Webb can and should talk and vote like Boxer.
For the Republican party, this reversion to the hate-spewing, dissension-suppressing norm is a “good” sign for 2008. For the nation as a whole, though, it is bad news.
And note how no one is ever allowed to have any sincere (even if “wrong” by Kos standards) belief that runs contrary to Kos’s preconceptions. It can’t be that Webb is genuinely trying to do the right thing, no, he has to be deliberately doing the wrong thing so as to cozy up to a president with a 31% approval rating. |
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Go git that little weasel!
DaveG writes:
"The Kos Surge has failed!" Oh yeah- I'm diggin it!
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Webb may be nothing more than an egotistical opportunist. That doesn't make him stupid or unpatriotic, but it does speak to character.
Webb was willing to use the Kos kiddies to harass Allen about his Jewish heritage. Allen responded stupidly, as if there was something wrong with being Jewish, but Webb didn't have the decency to denounce the tactics.
It appears that Webb has become a lightweight among Democrats.
Will Webb fight back? It might be a smart thing to do. Put some distance between him and Kossacks.
One the other hand, if the Republicans had slightest political savvy (which would assume facts not in evidence), someone might point out that Webb came to power in part because of his support from the fringe, and now even they have turned on him. One can only hope that he dances with the ones who brung him, right off the stage. |
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"our efforts to transform our Democratic Party continue to be a long-term project."
Well, at least they can handle one long-term project. They expect the Iraqi government, on the other hand, to be built in months. Kos, your Surge isn't showing results! Surrender, you fool! |
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that this will be Jim Webb's moment to take it personally. I think an on-air challenge to punch Kos in the face would be a good thing for everyone concerned. It could set a much needed precedent. |
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to Jim Webb. . . is to call him a coward.
Yeah, I think we can expect some sort of response. It may be more kinetic than a verbal or digital response. |
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The relative anonymity that comes from cranking up a computer and cutting loose whatever B+ thoughts come to mind might account for some of this. Obviously, Kos is not anonymous, but my guess is he would never dream of saying something like this to Webb's face. The bile factor is somewhat a function of the fact that people can say things with their keyboard that they would never say with their mouths, and don't think about it much before they say it.
On a different note, so much for the Dems' concern regarding a Police State Under Bush, eh? |
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(I say that with affection)
He will start fighting if you look at him funny. Say what you will about the Scots-Irish, but they are not shy about throwing punches. |
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