Saturday, September 01, 2007
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Duncan Hunter Runs Away With Texas Straw Poll, Paul a Distant Third
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Posted by:
Mary Katharine Ham at
4:44 PM
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And, the Paulies wept.
Duncan Hunter doubled the totals of the next-closest candidate, garnering 534 of approximately 1,400 votes cast. Fred Thompson came in second with 266 votes, and Paul rounded out the top three with 217 votes.
Here are all the results:
Duncan Hunter: 534
Fred Thompson: 266
Ron Paul: 217
Mike Huckabee: 83
Rudy Giuliani: 78
Mitt Romney: 61
Ray McKinney: 28
John Cox: 10
John McCain: 8
Sam Brownback: 6
Tom Tancredo: 6
Hugh Cort: 3 Thompson had a very good showing, especially considering the Fred Head presence was fairly modest, and there were no campaign surrogates that I noticed. McCain, notably, beaten by two 7th-tier candidates. Ouch. And, the biggest ouch for Paul, who was unable to convert all that strange enthusiasm into a conventional win in his home state.
Hunter won because he showed up and shook hands, old-school style, all day yesterday and all day today. Only activists who've attended past conventions were allowed to vote, and they were receptive to his message and his commitment to the crowd.
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Wow- Huck beat Mitt and Rudy. |
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Ok, so we know Texas is a bigger more important state than Ioway, then why isn't this news? Do all the also rans here pull out? Is it the end for Romneymania? Will Hugh Hewitt even cover this? Stay tuned for the next blinking year to find out! Don't touch that mouse dial..... |
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Paul finished THIRD? In his home state?
Geez ... could it possibly be all those polls that place him higher up were ... ah ... "influenced" ... by judicious use of speed dialers, maybe? Just maybe?
I'm just sayin'
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What's with the "and the Paulies wept"? Saying he's 2% in "scientific" polls and having 16%+ delegates vote for him? That just tells me that there is 14% marginal error in these national polls we have. Also considering that they refused a whole bus full of Paul voters, I think he did pretty good.
Not sure how Hunter won though. He's never made this type of presence anywhere in the country, in any straw poll, online poll, phone-in poll, or national poll. People might cry wolf, but it doesn't seem like many people are covering this event except for Townhall anyways. |
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I'd be curious to know which Dems the THers consider the least unpalatable.
I still think most Republicans should take a closer look at the budget-balancing and NRA-endorsed Bill Richardson. |
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217 votes for Paul when only delegates were allowed to vote is incredible! It shows that there is considerable support for him within the core of the Republican Party. Since Paul has a distinct advantage over the other candidates (regardless of tier) courting the independent and disillusioned conservative vote, this seems to me to be a very good sign for his campaign. I am actually suprised he did so well. More so than I am Romney did so poorly. In fact, because of this result, this is the first time I can honestly say that I think Ron Paul has a shot at the nomination. |
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I hope this once and for all shuts the Ron Paul people up for good! |
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I'm a "Paulie" and I'm cheering, not weeping. 16.7% among former Republican delegates is an excellent showing, given that most of Paul's support comes from new and disaffected voters.
Duncan Hunter showed up and earned support from Republicans who still support staying the course in Iraq. He should be congratulated on his victory.
We'll see how well Fred Thompson does once he now that he's finally entering the race.
As for the all the no-shows -- how are we supposed to believe they have the courage to stand up to Al Quida when they haven't got the guts to participate in straw polls in their own party?
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As the old saying goes: The ignorant can be educated ... but 'Stupid Is Forever'!
As a Retired USAF Lt Col (242 air refueling missions in Vietnam), the Ron Paul throwback-of-the-sixties-long-haired-give-up-the-fight crowd, reminded me of the same bunch of cowards!
I was a 'Delegate' to the Straw Poll and I have been a 'Fred-Head' from Day One!
I was VERY impressed with Congressman Hunter! His message was loud and clear: Stand and Fight!
Ron Paul and his bunch: Join the Dems and Cut and Run!
Thank you, fellow delegates, with your very measured votes for candidates who care for the preservation of democracy around the world.
The Lord is, indeed, in his universe!
Lt Col Wayne E Anderson, USAF (Retired)
Fort Worth
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Did you just edit this article to make Paul look worse? Agenda much?
Curmudgeon1: Why are we staying in Iraq? Fight what? Paul wanted to fight Al Qaeda, Bush decided to cut and run to his personal agenda of Iraq. Now we are losing men and money, the surge isn't working (3/15 objectives passed), and we still have the "stupid is forever" crowd like yourself.
Please, tell me, why are we in Iraq? |
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Actually, as a Paul supporter, I'm thrilled. I had no idea what to expect and made no predictions about this straw poll. Seeing Paul grab 16% from delegates (read: the party faithful) is very impressive, considering he's normally sidelined as the candidate of the dissatisfied erstwhile Republican.
As for Fred Thompson's and Duncan Hunter's leads over Paul? Thompson is the darling of the "conservative" Republicans, which automatically gives him a major boost in Texas. And Hunter was the only conservative AND pro-war candidate to make an appearance. So of course they had decent showings. |
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I speak for many Ron Paul supporters when I say that Ron Paul's third place finish is a fantastic sign for the campaign!
This is terrific, because Ron Paul's base is composed of so many people completely new to the political scene. I know because I am one of them, and I have talked to many other college students who are passionate about Ron Paul's ideas and before he announced, paid little attention to politics.
The newcomers were not allowed to vote in this poll, but no one can prevent them from voting in the primaries and the general election!
Looks like we are well on our way to defeating the media empire and Rupert Murdoch, who enjoys censoring us all too much...
Good job Ron Paul fans, keep spreading the word! |
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Duncan Hunter obviously won over the crowd, and he earned a well-deserved victory.
As a Ron Paul supporter, I was initially disapointed with the result, but after seeing that those who were allowed to vote at the convention were only those who had previously attended RNC or Texas State Republican Conventions, I am actually rather pleased with the result. Just because Ron Paul is from Texas doesn't automatically mean that he should run away with a straw poll conducted of state party leadership. The Republican Party establishment in Texas worked actively to defeat Paul in 1996 when he sought to return to Congress, and they haven't been very pleased with him for a long time. The truth is that the Republican Party establishment and activist base is neoconservative, and we shouldn't expect Paul to get the most support from them of all candidates. The fact that he finished third and got a double-digit percentage is pleasing. The fact that he had a large following outside of the convention is an great indication of the energy behind his campaign.
One other thing I will say... is there a need to get so nasty about supports of candidates? We're Americans and Republicans, and we each love our country and our party equally as much. We have a view of what the Republican Party should stand for, just like you do. There's no reason to be calling supporters of another candidate names and to be taunting them like schoolchildren. Being that this website is "Townhall," I would think that we should abide by the premise inherent in the name of the site and use this as a forum to discuss ideas without personally attacking each other. |
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Only could some neo-Con fool refuse to see Ron Paul's 3rd place showing as something other than a reasonable good showing.
Ron Paul has been tarred-and-feathered like other great conservatives....Pat Buchanan, Robert Novak, Richard Viguerie, to name a few...just because he wants American foreign policy to serve AMERICAN INTERESTS FIRST!
Ron Paul is a true statesman....go ahead and nominate some liberal like Rudy and THEN see what happens...another Clinton in the White House.
I joined the GOP because I am 100% pro-life...by far the most important issue of our lifetime.
If the GOP abandons the unborn, I will abandon the GOP....Hillary in the White House for 4 years is better than 8 years of Rudy......at least we can purge the GOP of those who confuse who dont value the sacredness of LIFE and rebuild the party into one that stands for LIFE.
Hunter, McCain, Paul, Tancredo, Brownback are all worthy of pro-life support...the others arent. |
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As the old saying goes: The ignorant can be educated ... but Stupid Is Forever!
The Ron Paul long-haired-Haight/Ashbury-the US is evil-throwback-to-the-sixties-in-your-face-loser-type crowd, reminded me of that same bunch of cowards of old!
As a USAF Retired Lt Col (242 refueling missions in Vietnam), time and time again I told each and every one of them who accosted me Get Out Of My Face!
When you see one of his idiot bunch carrying a sign: Hitler Was A Conservative! ... then it's time to recognize that they are part and parcel of the Dem's call to 'Cut and Run'!
As a VOTING Delegate from Tarrant County, I want to thank my fellow delegates for their measured and careful votes. I've been a Fred Thompson supporter since Day One! I was VERY impressed with the presenatation of Congressman Hunter! He is one to listen to very carefully!
The outcome was one that was anticipated by the majority of the VOTING delegates ... the top two candidates received almost 62% of the total votes.
The Lord is, indeed, in HIS universe!
Wayne E Anderson
Fort Worth
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just voted for Ron Paul. If that isn't a sign of change, I don't know what is.
16% of Bush's base is going for the Anti-war conservative, in Bush's home state. Add to that the independants and the folks who didn't vote in 2004 who are filling the ranks of the Paul grassroots, and you have a very interesting Republican primary. |
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And, the Paulies wept.
Duncan Hunter doubled the totals of the next-closest candidate, garnering 534 of approximately 1,400 votes cast. Fred Thompson came in second with 266 votes, and Paul rounded out the top three with 217 votes.
Porkies like you Ms. Ham, are the reason they are selling our Country out from under us. I guess you are right there cheering them on as they sell our roads and erase our borders.
PIG !!! |
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i hold the chosen ones faces to the floor, but every day the paperboy brings more...
republicans are corrupt;
democrats [socialists] are evil;
the constitution of the usofa is of no use to either. |
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LOL at anyone saying this is bad for Ron Paul. Go Ron Paul!!
Sorry big government social conservatives, but the Ron Paul express is only gaining momentum!! I know you'll miss big government, but you'll adapt. |
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Lt Col Wayne E Anderson:
Sir, I would respectfully request that you do some research into just what form of government we have in this country. Our founding fathers loathed democracy. "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for dinner."-Benjamin Franklin. "Remember, democracy never lasts long. It soon wastes, exhausts, and murders itself."-John Adams. You will not find the word "democracy" in the Declaration of Independence, The Constitution or the Bill of Rights. In fact Article IV section 4 of the Constitution says this: " The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government" (Note the word republican rather than democracy or democratic, these words do not refer to political parties, but forms of government in this context.) Turning this country into a democracy violates Article IV section 4 which in turn is a violation of the oath to uphold and defend the Constitution (yes that oath applies to the whole document, not just the parts our politicians decide to uphold). Are you sure you really want democracy? As for me.....I'll take liberty over democracy any day. |
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If you're going to re-post an edited version of your earlier comment, at least add some substance. In two posts you've managed to tell us you don't support Ron Paul but instead of saying why, you resort to ad hominem insults and tell us (twice for some reason) that you're retired from the air force. Should I be voting for whatever candidate has the most military support? Because all the mainstream media outlets say that is Ron Paul (based on military contributions). You also seem to keep implying that Paul has something in common with the Dems but I haven't been able to find any similarities (although Rudy, Mitt and Fred share some).
I'm a semi-undecided (I know who I'm not voting for) Republican who WILL vote in the primary to do my part in making sure Mitt, Rudy or Fred do not get the nod. |
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And, the Paulies wept.
Duncan Hunter doubled the totals of the next-closest candidate, garnering 534 of approximately 1,400 votes cast. Fred Thompson came in second with 266 votes, and Paul rounded out the top three with 217 votes.
This writer has been doing so all afternoon.
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I am a foreign policy hawk. I also am a conservative who despises Hillary Clinton. In an election between Ron Paul and Hillary Clinton I would vote for Hillary Clinton. She at least understands that we are endangered by the Islamonazi terrorists and does not make excuses for them. Ron Paul's chances of winning the nomination in a party filled with people like me, who have felt that George Bush's timid half-measures and truckling to the 'World Community' have been a terrible mistake are hardly likely to support Mr. Paul. Also, if we are to bring up Mrs. Clinton's past as a crook and a liar we also might not want to be saddled with Mr. Paul's past positions favoring legal heroin and prostitution. mr. Paul has NO chance of winning the nomination. |
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Ron Paul got as many votes among REPUBLICAN DELEGATES as Mitt Romney, Rudy Giuliani, Mike Huckabee, and John McCain COMBINED! That's the REAL news.
Ron Paul WON the Alabama and New Hampshire (SWING STATES) straw polls! I believe in one he got nearly 80%.
I'm a REGISTERED TEXAS republican, I was TURNED away because I haven't voted in conventions in the past.
Ron Paul is the ONLY candidate who can win the general election.
REAL conservatives, small-government types love Ron Paul, like Pat Buchanan, Tucker Carlson,
MATT DRUDGE basically said Ron Paul is his favorite "the winner" on "all the issues" that matter to him.
Andrew Napolitano, judge constantly on Fox News, called him the THOMAS JEFFERSON OF OUR DAY.
Barbara Hagan, fmr representative from New Hampshire, officially endorsed him.
MILTON FRIEDMAN has "STRONGLY SUPPORTS" Ron Paul. Any economist with HALF a brain knows he is our only shot at fiscal sanity.
Etc. etc. etc. the list goes on.
And unless there is a false-flag attack this labour day weekend in say, Portland, another "War on Terrorism" fearmonger won't get elected.
Ron Paul voted for freedom. Ron Paul voted against the ENABLING ACT OF 1933, I mean, PATRIOT Act.
Ron Paul voted against the Iraq war, and has never voted for ANY tax, never voted for anything he believes is against the constitution, and is a hero.
Imagine Ron Paul going against Hillary. He'd WIN hands DOWN! She looks like a crazy neocon warmonger next to him (cuz she is).
Truth is Duncan Hunter got like 1% in Iowa and cannot win ANY SWING state, so he's not a possibility. Fred Thompson is not even running yet, and once he steps on the stage, he's really not very good looking without a touched up camera. Honestly he sucks at debate. Nixon called Thompson an "useful idiot" cuz he was a mole for the Nixon watergate scandal. Nixon called him an idiot more than anyone. |
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...but I think his chances for a GOP nomination are extremely slim. You Ron Paul supporters ought to at least study up on Duncan Hunter a bit. Go to his sight and study his positions. You'll find that his positions are admirable and honorable. Hunter has a better chance at a nomination. And if you want sweeping change, Hunter has the backbone for it. He'll get us out of Iraq sooner because he'll fight to win. Decisively. Unlike our President who is just "tryin' not to lose".
So all of you magnificent "Paul Pods" at least let Hunter be your "backup candidate" just in case Cong. Paul's campaign starts to flounder. Keep an open mind. DD http://www.gohunter08.com |
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The Texas delegates who at the last minute were the only ones allowed to vote in the Straw Poll were naturally Bush supporting Republicans, Townhaller type people like the military officer delegate who posted on this blog - Evangelicals and other Neocons whose leaders like Richard Pearle think we have a mandate from God to keep the peace in the Middle East, spending a trillion dollars on the Iraqi War and 3500 Christian American lives so far for 'nationbuilding', 'winning hearts and minds', and 'spreading Democracy'. Secondary to the protection of Iraqi bridges and borders for author Mary Ham and the other Townhaller Neocons are the protection of the bridges and borders, power grid and other infrastructure of the United States. Secondary to author Mary Ham and the other Townhaller Neocons is the fact that Ron Paul has been married for 50 years and lives a Christian life, while their heroes, Fred Thompson and Rudy Giuliani are divorcées. Yet, somehow, miraculously, by the power of God, some are seeing the light and Ron Paul came in the top three, while the other nine weren't even close. |
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"Thank you, fellow delegates, with your very measured votes for candidates who care for the preservation of democracy around the world."
Sir, please show me where in the Constitution it says that we should use our military to enforce UN sanctions and to spread democracy around the world through the barrel of a gun.
Some of us remember the traditional conservative principles of...
- limited constitutional government
- personal privacy
- personal responsibility
- strong national defense
- fiscally responsible government
- individual liberty
I don't see a thing in there about preemptive nuclear strikes or about nation-building. Do you?
"The Lord is, indeed, in HIS universe!"
No, the Lord isn't with you at all on this. Ever heard of the Just War Doctrine of Christianity?
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A close 3rd is a solid showing.
When are neoconservatives going to realize that there is no contradiction in being anti-war and for the free-market. It was the socialists/fascists like Woodrow Wilson, FDR, and LBJ who were the biggest warmongers.
The Texas GOP embraced pseudo free-marketeer Phil Gramm when he switched from the Dems. to the GOP. Check out Phil Gramm's big government alternative to Hillary's fascist health care initiative. Ron Paul also lost to Gramm in the 1984 Senate Race. The Texas GOP also supported Democrat turned Republican Greg Laughlin over Ron Paul in 1996. |
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What about that Mary K. Ham?!?!
Are our SOLDIERS in Harm's way, who gave MORE money to Ron Paul of any GOP candidate, just crazy?!
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Heres my post again in a nutshell since the last one got removed.
Why on earth are people cheering for Hunter he placed no where nationally and does not attract a broad support from other parties. Im starting to think that the Republican Party is wanting to allow Hillary or whoever to win by handing them the race. Clearly for us true republicans we must work together to get a viable candidate and stop fighting each other. Ron paul is that man and should be reconized by his strong support from all party lines. If it wasnt for him the Republicans would not even be getting one glance by many voters. Its true and Im sorry to report this fact. Hillary and Obama are taking our republicans and if we dont wake up were going to lose this 2008 race just like we lost half of the house to the Democrates. Ron Paul is for protecting America. He votes to get the terrorist and keep America Strong. Our country is in artifical wealth and a mess of other problems. Americans want change. Im passionate about winning and I dont believe any Republican other than RON PAUL can attract the voters we need away from the Democates or other parties.
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don't be afraid.
3rd place! that is an awesome finish. how come you ain't mentioned that ron paul kicked the arse of ghouliani, Mc'amnesty'Cain, Romeny "flipflop... etc...?
They were ALL on the ballot - all over MSM news... I guess if I supported them and their beliefs I could'nt muster the energy to go vote either....
RON PAUL - The True Conservative.
"I saved money, by voting for Ron Paul"
END THE IRS!
STOP THE TERROR TACTICS to SUPPORT WAR! |
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Fred Thompson supporter??? hahahahah.. Yeah, he is a great actor, and part of the open borders crowd (CFR).
I love how people are so easily swayed by the media.
Remember, Ron Paul was an AIRFORCE Flight Surgeon and National Guardsman... I think Thompson was out picking flowers during the war!!
hahahahha...
Btw. I have very short hair, masters in economics and believe in a strong miliatry.
RON PAUL has ALWAYS VOTED FOR INCREASED VETERANS BENEFITS!!!
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Not a surprise - we Texans are long since ready for the Federal Gov't to finally protect our border.
On other matters - Hunter came in first in early straw poll in Arizona, tied in South Carolina, came up big elsewhere.
Duncan Hunter knows retail politics. His lifetime of service to America stands out - even among a strong GOP field.
It's important for the GOP nominee to have the knack for retail politics, and have the proverbial "fire in the belly." Hunter's got it.
Nothing against the others - some of them will provide good politics as Duncan Hunter's VP running mate.
Hunter's first campaign was in a majority democrat district. He won then, and kept on winning.
He's still on a roll!
Duncan Hunter knows the real issues - it's time to remove the manufacturing tax on USA manufacturing.
Time to call out cheaters - like Red China (not to mention lead-poisoned Chinese toys sickening American children)
It's long past time to get honest about borders, and get honest about immigration.
Time to get honest on USA defense.
As the campaign matures - you've seen Hunter steadily make progress. He wears well, and he's learning the difference between district campaign and national.
Not to mention he's ready for national leadership - he's already been there with four years as Chairman of the House Armed Services Committee - heavyweight international politics work.
See for yourself - scope out his website:
http://www.GoHunter08.com
Vote America First!! Remember 1776!! |
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I guess he decided he didn't want to buy this Straw Poll hence his weak showing. This was taylor made for him and he stunk up the place. Townhall was the co sponsor of the Straw Poll. Their top talent i.e Hewitt, Medved, Ham, etc are all in the tank for Romney. He must be devastated. I guess it's time for Mitt to change his principles again. |
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lubavitch movement!
Goto the white house main page and search education Day! Why is it that our country adopted these 7 Laws of Noahide under Bush Sr administration. Why are we supporting this lubavitch movement to make Christians saved under this movement by accepting these laws. Sorry but for me accepting Jesus Christ is very important so Im not interested in converting or accepting movements. Look Im a hard core Christian and I dont get it and am concerned that our govt is really supporting this stuff and not us. lets just be educated and informed so we can understand what is going on in our govt. Hence why I support Ron Paul because I know he not going to push any movement on my children while they are in public school. I guess this is something the NEOCONS support but dont tell us moderate or conservative Christians. |
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I'm a 7th generation Texan. I've voted for every Republican candidate for President since 1972. I was a Republican in Texas long before it was cool to be a Republican. State was nothing but Yellow Dog Democrats. If I had gone to Fort Worth to cast my vote for Ron Paul I wouldn't have been able to vote simple because I've never been to a state GOP convetnion. Why limit the vote to Party Hacks? I think Town Hall knew if they allowed everyone to vote Ron Paul would have won!! The NeoCons that run Town Hall couldn't allow that. So instead, Duncan(Lets Bomb Iran) Hunter won. Garthwaite, pretty bad way to run a Poll. |
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You can spin this all you want, but it is Duncan Hunter who emerged from deep within the pack and came out ahead, not Ron Paul.
I don't support either one, so I think I can be pretty objective in stating that.
Now, my one big concern about Ron Paul is this: His defenders at TH say he is not a racist, even though there is evidence that he *may* be. But if he's not a racist, why is it that the White power folks at places like Stormfront.org like this guy so much?
http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php?t=415969&highlight=ron+paul
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Here comes the race card. Neo Nazi support Ron Paul. Someone joked on TV recently that George Dubya Bush probably won most if not all the KKK vote. So does this make Dubya a KKK member?? |
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They support him just like any group will support a candidate. There racist groups who support Bush or Hunter. They do vote you know. He quotes Gandi and Martin Luther King in many of his speeches. Just because some group likes him doesnt mean he supports them. Its crazy to think that a candidate can control who supports him. He does not endorse there ideals. That was a lame way at trying to accuse a loving christian man who believes in our country of being a racist. Heck there people who believe in Nazi stuff who support Bush. I wouldnt call him a Nazi just becomes some radical group supports him. |
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"Texas straw poll took place today. But this was not your typical straw poll...there were some restrictions on who could vote.
Delegates to the Straw Poll - Must have been a Delegate or Alternate Delegate to at least one of the last 4 Republican State Conventions (2000, 2002, 2004 or 2006) or one of the last 2 Republican National Conventions (2000 or 2004)
The amount of votes shows you how bad the GOP is right now. They expected 10,000 votes, but only got 1,300
Additionally Texas turned out to be the biggest fund raiser for Ron Paul, it was his biggest fund raising event ever. He was able to raise $102,000 from one event. Just shows that the straw poll is really not that indicative of his support."
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I'll take a 3rd of the longtime GOP delegates, throw in all the disenfranchised people that haven't voted in the past and independent voters that are switching to Republican to vote for Ron Paul in the primary.
ALL the stories up to the vote announcement were about how many Ron Paul supporters were on the streets even though they could not vote in the straw poll. These people WILL be voting in the primary. Bring it on... |
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Dr. Paul's message of Liberty and respect for the Constitution is starting to resonate with even the "old guard". Under the rules, most young Republicans and recent converts to the "big tent" were excluded from the poll. I am surprised he received more than 5% under these conditions. |
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Just got back from Fort Worth..
We had more people there than any other candidate by FAR. Just watch the videos when they come out.
We were simply not able to vote. We had over 600 people in attendance inside and outside. Each vote we got represented at least 2 additional Ron Paul supporters.
Hunter did a good job and I congratulate him. His victory shows that media annointed candidates have NO real support.
Ron Paul had more support than anyone. Ron Paul did not campaign here. WE THE PEOPLE campaigned in Texas. Ron Paul has TWO paid staff working in Texas. Virtually everything, all the way down to the booth at the straw poll, was grass roots!
Watch the videos and you will see who Texas really supports! |
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Candidates were only allowed 15 minutes to speak. After all the candidates were done, they had a speaker who was not a candidate speak for 30 minutes and hammer away the neocon agenda and work the crowd and pump up the idea of invading other countries or the terrosists will come to Texas and kill you in your sleep. He said you MUST vote for a pro-war candidate or you will die.
After his speech was done, they said "OK go vote real fast the polls close at 2:15". His speech was right after Duncan's speech (that I have now heard 3 times and is a canned speech).
It was a blatant attempt to counteract the Ron Paul influence.
They also added Fred Thompson at the last minute.
Completely unethical and disgraceful. It is sad, really. Up until the last 2 hours, the Texas GOP was very professional and I was extremely impressed. It actually seemed like they cared about the process and were willing to accept whatever the outcome would be. |
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"And, the Paulies wept."
I seriously cannot believe you said this, Ms. Ham. Dr. Paul is a 10 term Republican Congressman and you mock him and his supporters? Beyond being totally void of class, it goes a long way towards showing your true colors.
Does following the Constitution bother you so much? If so, why? This man has the best voting record in all of Congress on voting for lower taxes. He has a PERFECT rating from Gun Owners' of America. He is pro-life. He does more than give lip service to states' rights. He stands for our ports and borders being secured NOW. He stands up for our OWN country's national security, rather than what was always known as the liberal program of nation-building.
Yes, the insults against Dr. Paul are very telling indeed. As I've always said, we have BIG government STATISTS on both sides of the aisle and it looks like they are alive and well on the staff at Townhall, unfortunately. |
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Just an FYI for those not familiar with the Texas GOP:
They actively run candidates against Ron Paul for his congressional seat. The GOP funds candidates to try to beat Ron Paul. Just because he is from Texas does not mean that he had any advantage whatsoever in this poll. Many in the republican machine (that are pro-war) in Texas have hated (yes, hate) Ron Paul since 2003.
Believe me when I tell you they did NOT want Ron Paul to win. |
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Like a hurricane sweeping the nation!!
How is it possible, that all these republican writers can be so wrong, on TH.com. I mean really, the front runners performed terrible.
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Excellent! Well said! Thank you.
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THIS SHOULD BE THE STORY TODAY!
Paul First, Hunter 8th overall in 11 straw polls since Iowa
Rank Candidate.........%........ Votes
1...Ron Paul.............24.9%....782
2...Mitt Romney.......16.0%....583
3...Fred Thompson...18.9%....483
4...Rudy Giuliani.........8.1%....247
5...Sam Brownback.....4.4%....169
6...Mike Huckabey.......5.3%....131
7...John McCain............3.0%....111
8...Duncan Hunter.......14.1%....34
9...Tommy Tancredo......0.5%....16
.....Other...................... 4.2%....22
.....Total......................100%....2578
Last 11 Straw Polls included:
Texas GOP 1-Sep-07
Allegheny County (Pittsburgh, PA)
Dekalb County, GA
Ronald Reagan Club (Washington)
Strafford County, NH_West Alabama
West Lafayette, Indiana_Illinois State Fair
Students for Life of America_Western Montana Fair
Gaston County, NC
Source:
http://ok4ronpaul.ashlux.com/wiki/index.php?title=2008_Presidential_GOP_straw_poll_results
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Neocons, like the Loyalist enemies of our first Revolution, are hell-bent on empire abroad, and big, intrusive government at home.
"Conservative" used to be the proud banner of those who would preserve and protect our Revolution, but now has been perverted and co-opted by those who call the Constitution just a "g**-d*mned piece of paper" (GWB).
Similarly, "Liberal" used to describe those who believed in personal Liberty, but has now been stolen by those who believe the government should be liberal with our lives and money.
Modern day historians have taken to using the term "Classical Liberal" to describe the philosophy for which our Founders fought and died. It is ironic that "neo-conservative" is an almost perfect antonym for "classical-liberal"
I am proud to support the renewal of our Revolution. I am proud that Dr. Paul is our current standard-bearer, but if he should fall, there is an army of like-minded lovers of Liberty and the Rule-of-Law who will gladly take his place. |
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Ron Paul raised more money on Friday than Duncan Hunter raises in a month.
See you at New Hampshire :) |
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you're spot on.
TH isn't a conservative website, that much is painfully clear, and has been clear for awhile. TH is a 'CINO/CFR globalist liberal-lite constant warmongers who don't have a conservative bone in their bodies' website.
Take your party back, people, for true and actual conservatism. Not for constant ME war, as TH would like you to do. |
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I can't see a single reason to vote for Thompson.
He is a particularly unqualified and unexperienced candidate, whose only accomplishment in life seems to be making a lot of money by hocking himself out to the highest bidder (well, that and a long track record of spectacular womanizing).
Whenever he speaks, he IS D.A. Arthur Branch. He's either a very bad actor or he's just trying to win to presidency by playing the same role he plays on t.v.
I know Ronald Reagan was also an actor. Is there anyone so dumb that they actually think Thompson is anywhere NEAR the league of Reagan? |
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was surprising in that Duncan Hunter did so well. He is a good man as I knew him from my days in San Diego. Maybe he has a higher profile in Tx but here on the east coast he is invisible. Ron Paul, you have to be kidding. Don't know much about Tx politics so don't have a good read as to the significance of this straw pole. Things will start to converge when Thompson gets in the race and starts to show if he can meet the expectation. Remains to be seen what Newt can do - he is the man with the best ideas but don't think he is electable. Republicans can win in 08 if they follow Newt's lead and build a contract with America for 08 - America First. |
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Sam wrote;
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"Mary K Ham should join Miss Teen US of SC to see who is can find the map 1st. Reading her articles is like reading "the Di*k and JANE" books from 1st grade."
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Sam, if you feel that is the case, then why do you invest so much of your valuable time on her blog ?
One would think that an important fellow such as yourself has greater matters to tend to than spending his Saturday reading 'Di*k & Jane.'
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Every insult; every slur; every negative comment about Congressman Paul or his supporters, only makes us more emboldened, more determined, more absolutely sure, that we will NEVER give up our Party, our country, or our freedom to those who appear to favor big government totalitarianism, to our Constitution.
You will not win. We will NEVER give up. Of that, you can be quite sure.
May God forgive you for what you're doing to our country. |
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You Ron Paul backers are not helping your cause. You're confirming the prevailing feeling that you're all conspiracy theorists and a little bonkers. |
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Romney surrounding himself with criminals, is why he did so poorly in Texas? Could it be, that birds of a feather flock together?
"Mitt $$-raiser is indicted in complex $32M fraud scheme - Local ...Mitt Romney’s presidential campaign was indicted for a scheme to defraud companies out of $32 million that he allegedly spent on real estate, ..."
"Romney Staff Involved In 2 InvestigationsA Romney campaign aide is also under investigation by police in Massachusetts for allegedly impersonating a state trooper, according to a published report. ..."
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Some comments take longer than others, to get through the NSA database than others. lol
Actually, if you have noiced, many people are posting the same info twice, because it is taking awhile to show up on the thread. |
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I wonder if you know how annoying your posts are. Why do you always have to say so and so writes: at such and such a time...? Then you never actually quote them. And you don't need to sign off. You seem a little self-involved, am I right?
Not that anyone reads you anyway.
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Right - no classes. You can track back without all the falderol. Guess I'm not going to change you. I tried. |
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Liberty writes: Saturday, September, 01, 2007 9:00 PM
"Let me make something VERY CLEAR...
Every insult; every slur; every negative comment about Congressman Paul or his supporters, only makes us more emboldened, more determined, more absolutely sure, that we will NEVER give up our Party, our country, or our freedom to those who appear to favor big government totalitarianism, to our Constitution."
These big government nanny staters HATE |
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Yes, there are many of us following the situation. It is very unfortunate. |
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judgedred, Gabby, Sam, Jackshiite - did I leave anyone out? |
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Liberty writes: Saturday, September, 01, 2007 9:00 PM
"Let me make something VERY CLEAR...
Every insult; every slur; every negative comment about Congressman Paul or his supporters, only makes us more emboldened, more determined, more absolutely sure, that we will NEVER give up our Party, our country, or our freedom to those who appear to favor big government totalitarianism, to our Constitution."
These big government nanny staters HATE the idea of limiting anything about the federal government. They are very angry about the mere suggestion of it. How sad.
President Reagan famously stated that he didn't leave the Democratic Party, the Democratic Party left him. If he were alive today, what would he say about the current Republican Party? |
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"You guys are crazy
You Ron Paul backers are not helping your cause. You're confirming the prevailing feeling that you're all conspiracy theorists and a little bonkers."
Perhaps you haven't been watching...
* We are 9 TRILLION dollars in debt.
* We are borrowing over 2.5 BILLION $/DAY from foreign countries, a large part from Red China.
* Our borders and ports are left wide open.
* Our President and Homeland Security largely refuse to enforce our immigration laws.
* Where's the fence?
* The Federal Reserve is "injecting liquidity" (BILLIONS of $)into the economy. A fancy way of saying, printing money out of thin air and putting it in circulation. ie. inflation
* Posse Comitatus has been canceled. So now, for the first time since 1878, our military can be used against American citizens.
* Habeas Corpus has been canceled. "The writ of habeas corpus has historically been an important instrument for the safeguarding of individual freedom against arbitrary state action."
I will stop here.
If the Democrats had tried one fraction of what has been done under this administration, we Republicans would have been screaming bloody murder. But, apparently, if a Republican trashes our country and our Constitution, it is quite alright.
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Yes, I admit to reading 2. When I first visited TH a few months ago, I did read your posts. After a few I found they were not worth spending time on.
No matter how special your internet education was - it is still annoying and unecessary. I was not ot home-schooled, but I do believe that overall home schooled children are better educated, so your slam is meaningless to me.
I earned my BA in 1984. |
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"portlandmom writes: Saturday, September, 01, 2007 9:53 PM
Birds of a feather
judgedred, Gabby, Sam, Jackshiite - did I leave anyone out?"
I don't think that we are the only ones supporting Romney. But hey, maybe your right. Romney did not do well in texas. |
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you forgot this part of my post.
"Mitt $$-raiser is indicted in complex $32M fraud scheme - Local ...Mitt Romney’s presidential campaign was indicted for a scheme to defraud companies out of $32 million that he allegedly spent on real estate, ..."
"Romney Staff Involved In 2 InvestigationsA Romney campaign aide is also under investigation by police in Massachusetts for allegedly impersonating a state trooper, according to a published report. ..."
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It's a pity that your posts do not reflect your excellent education. |
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Your teeth gnashing about Romney won't do you a bit of good. Your health is going suffer unless you release some of this irrational anger. I honestly hope you give it some serious thought and ask yourself where it is all coming from. It might help. |
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A 22 count indictment? Numerous staffers impersonating state troopers, pulling people over in various states, driving crown vics with police lights in the grill, carrying fake badges?
Where have you been?
My irrational anger as you call it, comes from living in the mess that Gov Romney left behind. |
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..why the Republicans don't support Hunter, Tancredo, or Paul, it's because they are not members of the elite CFR (Council on Foreign Relations). If I remember correctly, Thompson, Giuliani, Romney, McCain, etc. all ARE members.
It's as obvious as the nose on your face. Connecting the dots is fun and easy! |
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He has the highest integrity. He cuts loose anyone who canot equal his standard. None of it will hurt his campaign. |
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That's just not right.
The Texas GOP is directly controlled by the Bush neoconservatives. Ron Paul got 16% of that vote.
That's nothing to be pouty over, trust me. |
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"None of it will hurt his campaign."
It already has. He is done. |
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that who ever the candidate is, that the article is about, everyone talks about Ron Paul, as the man to beat?
Ron Paul will be the next President of the United States. |
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Are you prepared to eat your hat when Romney gets the nomination? You know that many people are predicting he will win. I think he has a very serious chance. And wouldn't it be great? He has the smarts, the moral fiber and the qualifications. He would be awesome. Duncan Hunter is my next choice - but he's going nowhere so far - in spite of what happened today. |
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Are you such a fragile flower that merely living in Mass while Romney was governor for a few years has turned you into a lunatic seething with rage?
My gosh, there has to be more to the story. |
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After Iowa, Illinois, Alabama, and now Texas:
A: Only three guys have won a Straw Poll, namely Mitt Romney, Ron Paul, and, as of this evening, Duncan Hunter.
B: Only two guys have been the top five in all four Straw Polls, namely Mitt Romney and Ron Paul.
C: Only Mitt Romney (3), Ron Paul (3), Fred Thompson (2), Duncan Hunter (2), Brownback (1), and Huckabee (1) have been in the top three in at least ONE of those four straw polls.
6. THIS IS NOT supposed to be a really tough IQ test, but NEITHER GIULIANI NOR MCCAIN APPEAR ON THE A, B, OR C LISTS!!!! Indeed, if anything, perhaps we need to get Rudy and McCain off the stage to "stop cluttering things up with pygmies" or whatever pompous, self-important idiots like Newt Gingrich or the Washington Post would say.
Moreover, in addition to the two names just mentioned that are NOT on those three lists, which two names are the only ones on all three lists? RON PAUL and MITT ROMNEY. Thus, the "fake" world of the internet and texting polls where it's always been Ron vs. Mitt is more 'real' than the land line polling of Gallup which gives us war widows for McCain on pensions eating cat food waiting next to their phones which don't have caller id, and Unemployed Losers for Giuliani - and a few assorted Desperate Housewives for Romney.
As for the highly confused USAF fellow, not only is the Lord in his Universe, but He will judge your actions in SE Asia and your even less understandable advocacy concerning Iraq on Judgment Day. |
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Geeze did they pay you to write a forward of Thompson lazy report? How does a guy accomplish a frackin' report as he walks out the door? |
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"Has anyone noticed
that who ever the candidate is, that the article is about, everyone talks about Ron Paul, as the man to beat?
Ron Paul will be the next President of the United States."
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Yeah, I noticed that too. It seems he has all those getting fat and sassy off the government trough, getting more than a little nervous. I mean seriously... they must've thought that by almost totally blacklisting him from the MSM and attempting to marginalize him when they *do* talk about him, giving him 1/3 of the time compared to the "front-runners" in the debates and misstating his positions continuously, would finish us off.
Little do they know it just makes us more determined. LOL! Some of us have been around this block before. This was the same type of BS that was done to Barry Goldwater and that they attempted to do to Ronald Reagan, until he accepted one from their own team, Bush Sr.
It's more than ludicrous for someone to sit here and say they're against Ron Paul, isn't it? That is like saying you are against everything our ancestors fought and died for in creating this great country of ours.
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I know it. You know it. When will we all care enough to stand up?
We are 9 TRILLION dollars in debt.
We are borrowing over 2.5 billion dollars a day, from countries like Red China.
Our ports and borders have been left wide open.
Our immigration laws not enforced.
Our industry and jobs shipped overseas.
Our dollar is worth .04 of what it was was in 1913.
Habeas corpus gone -- Americans can now be picked up, deemed enemy combatants and imprisoned indefinitely, without even knowing the charges against them, nor being brought before a jury of their peers.
Posse comitatus gone -- For the first time since 1878, our own military can be used against American citizens.
Our President has assumed near dictatorial powers.
Regardless of which party is in power, the size and scope of government continues to grow.
When will it be enough?
"The original American patriots were those individuals brave enough to resist with force the oppressive power of King George. I accept the definition of patriotism as that effort to resist oppressive state power. The true patriot is motivated by a sense of responsibility and out of self-interest for himself, his family, and the future of his country to resist government abuse of power. He rejects the notion that patriotism means obedience to the state." – Ron Paul
"Let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it’s realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeopardy. A few have, and others will continue to do so, but too many—both in and out of government—close their eyes to the issue of personal liberty and ignore the fact that endless borrowing to finance endless demands cannot be sustained. True prosperity can only come from a healthy economy and sound money. That can only be achieved in a free society." -- Ron Paul
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that the real story is that many of the front runners, who have been touted as such, by the MSM are failing. A week ago every other article/TV news was about Romney and what a great guy he is, or it was about Rudy as the hero of 9/11.
They did so poorly in the Texas Straw Poll, that it shows a huge lack of support by the GOP. I really thought that Mitt Romney would have been top dog, but to come 6th? Or Rudy 5th?
This says a lot about what is happening in the country. I have yet to support a candidate and am honestly happy, that what the MSM wants, is going by the wayside. Could it be, that the public no longer cares what the MSM is pushing and are thinking for themselves? |
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Did you know for only $24.99 you can read the Fred Thompson report? Well, true, it is free in pdf. That copy does not have Mary...Katherine...Ham's forward.
LOL. Good thing we had Fred to write a report in the 11th hour of his term and then run out the door. Could he have made at least one memorable action between womanizing? |
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I'm glad that Hunter and Paul both had
good showings. I left the republican
party in Sept. 2006. I had had-it
with the republicans in Congress, and
had had-it with their complete lack of
leadership. I could vote for Hunter
in 2008; I could vote for Paul in 2008.
But I'll never vote for Thompson,
Romney, or the former mayor of New
York.
As for all You Paul supporters, you
must know by now that townhall has an
agenda.....and it's not conservative,
it's republican. They are similar to
huffpo in that they like to throw mud
on those who disagree with them....
and that's You and Paul. The wounds
of the republican party are self-in-
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I was there front and center from Thursday through Saturday at the Townhall.com Texas Straw Poll and here are some quick thoughts...
Paulistas Go Home! It's funny to see the Kooks on line but to see them in person is even more hilarous. Actually asking them why they support Ron Paul and them not even knowing what he stands for but just saying "we want peace" and "no more soldiers getting killed," these guys don't care about 95% of what this guy stands for...they just drink the anti-war kool aide. You can run all the video you want of them not getting in. The rules are the rules, for all these paulista kooks to ramble on about how Ron Paul is the only constitutionalist out there and the only one who truly follows the rules of America...they don't want to follow the rules themselves. They whine and whine about the rules of the the straw poll wouldn't let them vote and they now say they were prevented from being part of the process on Saturday. You can't have your cake and eat it too, folks. The founders created rules back in the late 1700s for America that you want everyone to follow. They were part of the process. The Straw Poll rules said you had to be in by 10am. If not, no voting. Same thing on Election Day, have to be in by 7pm or no voting. Next, they say the voting was rigged. Hmm, I am sure Duncan Hunter was paying off the Texas GOP?
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Speaking of Duncan Hunter, kudos to the California Congressman. He came to Texas, which a number of 1st and 2nd tier candidates did not, and mixed and mingled with the delegates. He was at his booth and easily accessable, event stopping to talk to people while eating his meatball sandwhich and serving Texas BBQ as seen in the Dallas Morning News blog http://trailblazers.beloblog.com/archives/2007/08/just_happy_to_serve_my_country.html. He was introduced by a Texas Icon and American Statesman, Congressman Ralph Hall. Many people I spoke to said "I changed my vote because Duncan Hunter came to talk to us." Texans don't like to be taken for granted. Big BIG mistake for Rudy, Romney, and Huckabee for missing a HUGE opportunity by skipping Texas. Biggest error on Huckabee's part. He would have been THE Star, but he couldn't get on a Southwest Airlines flight from Little Rock? |
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Either the Republican Party will have to abandon it's newfound love of big government, or it will become irrelevant, as it will no longer get our votes simply for being "not Democrats". |
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HUNTER FOR AMERICA
Texans understand that our Republic is on the line, the actions of the next president will decide if we remain a sovereign nation. They have been on the front line of the illegal alien inundation and know we must build a fence and enforce our laws. Duncan Hunter is the man to do just that.
Conservatives can nominate a conservative. All it takes is not acting like sheep and getting herded into nominating a northeast liberal. 49% will never vote for Hillary, only 60% voted last time. Turnout was the difference. Give Americans a chance to vote for someone who WILL secure the border and watch turnout soar. Americans want their government to fulfill its most basic responsibility.
The primary responsibility of the U.S. government is to protect the territorial integrity and people of this country. They have completely abdicated this responsibility. Both parties have been complicit in this. We are being told it is not possible to control our borders, enforce our laws, and thereby control our destiny as a nation. Hogwash. We are being sold out by corporations intent on importing workers for jobs that can't be exported with the taxpayers paying the true costs, financial and human. If we act like sheep and don't stop the inundation across our borders, we will lose our country without a bleat.
http://www.gohunter08.com
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Either the Republican Party will have to abandon its newfound love of big government, or it will become irrelevant, as it will no longer get our votes simply for being "not Democrats".
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I never expected RP to get this far and to do this well. It's so funny that neo-cons, other fake-conservatives, and people who are Dems but call themselves Republicans dismiss this as a failure. Four months ago, would anyone in the Republican party have guessed that Paul would place 3rd in Texas and win several straw polls? No, this is just a sign of the broad appeal and growing influence of Paul's camp.
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***Brent wrote, Saturday, September, 01, 2007 5:06 PM:
"Not sure how Hunter won though. He's never made this type of presence anywhere in the country, in any straw poll, online poll, phone-in poll, or national poll."
Actually, that's not true. He won the AZ straw poll, tied for first in NC, and placed in the Top Three in South Carolina and California. I suggest you check him out - you'll like what you see.
It's interesting to note that in the Iowa Straw Poll, he was the ONLY candidate that did not buy a single vote! He still got almost 200 votes from people who got themselves there (no buses) and paid their own registration fees because they believed he's the strongest conservative. Also, voting took place largely before the speeches began, and he generated a huge response after Iowan's heard his strong message. Crowds came into his booth area after the voting and started signing up to be county chairs and precinct chairs! He left Iowa with a huge grassroots boost.
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***gnode wrote, Saturday, September, 01, 2007 7:08 PM:
"We had more people there than any other candidate by FAR.
Ron Paul has TWO paid staff working in Texas. Virtually everything, all the way down to the booth at the straw poll, was grass roots!"
True. Ron Paul bussed in hundreds of his supporters from all over. Conversely, Duncan Hunter's people got there on their own, followed the rules, and voted their conscience. You could ask any Hunter voter why they supported him and they could easily cite his stellar 27 year track record of strong, conservative legislation in Congress. Not so of the Fred Heads (only 1.5 terms?) or RP supporters.
As for grassroots, Duncan Hunter's grassroots support was obvious. He has ZERO paid campaign staff in Texas, all his people are dedicated volunteers who believe in him wholeheartedly. 100% of his support is grassroots. His campaign is grassroots Americanism at its finest - something I actually didn't think was possible in our corrupt, money-mad political culture anymore.
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...or inconvenient REALITY CHECK for peace-at-any-price sheeple?
*** gnode wrote, Saturday, September, 01, 2007 7:13 PM:
"After all the candidates were done, they had a speaker who was not a candidate speak for 30 minutes and hammer away the neocon agenda and work the crowd and pump up the idea of invading other countries or the terrosists will come to Texas and kill you in your sleep. He said you MUST vote for a pro-war candidate or you will die."
Whoa. Really? LTC Brian Birdwell said we MUST vote pro-war or die? Hmmm...I missed that part - probably because IT DIDN'T HAPPEN! Your gross exaggeration only makes you look extremely kooky, and solidifies the unfortunate caricature that the Ron Paul supporter has become.
To be more accurate, the speaker was a retired lieutenant colonel who barely survived the Pentagon attack on 9/11. Considering what he knows and what he experienced, Truthers would have one helluva time telling that man he didn't know what he was talking about when it comes to 9/11. His speech was powerful, moving, and the RP supporters got uncharacteristically quiet when he was speaking. Unfortunately for Ron Paul, the stark reality of the threats we Americans face made his position on terrorism seem naive, fool-hardy, and weak. There's no way we could trust Ron Paul to recognize an enemy to America and protect our nation - he already doesn't. He's completely unqualified to be our Commander-in-Chief.
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I'll tell you why Duncan Hunter swept that straw poll: because he is is strong on the border, the Constitution, our defense, and international trade. He's the ONLY candidate talking about Communist China, their cheating on trade, and the fact that they are rapidly arming themselves for war using billions of American trade dollars (Reagan would roll in his grave). Hunter has a strong vision and a solid plan for America, as opposed to hollow rhetoric, AND he has a proven track record for being able to get things done. Duncan Hunter won because he is THE strongest conservative candidate and that is what grassroots Republicans want. He's our Reagan.
What the media and the Establishment have foolishly anointed as the Republican Top Tier (Giuliani, Romney, and McCain) is NOT what the people want.
I will say this for Hunter, Thompson, and Paul... their places in the NEW & IMPROVED Top Three prove what the Republican Establishment refuses to acknowledge: there is a MASSIVE disconnect between the Republican Elite and the mainstream, grassroots Republican base. The base demands conservatives - not RINOs. The RNC had better accept that or the Dems will win again in '08. |
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Brent, he was in the Top Three in Alabama too. Forgot that in my comment above. |
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Fellow Americans and Patriots,
I am excited that Ron Paul is doing so well in the polls!! Anyone that says Ron Paul is about "cut and run", is obviously mistaken about the facts. I voted for W, twice, but he has really tricked us. First the war was because of intelligence about WMD. Then we were there to liberate the Iraqi People. BS.
The only reason we are fighting this war, is so special interests like Haliburton and Big Oil, and the Arms makers can get richer. I am an American, not a Globalist. Bush is preparing the "Amero" monitary unit to replace the dollar - WTF -- just 'cause his buddy Corporate Elite need cheap labor to increase their greed and profit.
Ron Paul has a clear agenda to bring our troops home, and focus on America without trying to be the policemen of the world. God Bless you and your families. God Bless America. God Bless Ron Paul -- our 44th President. |
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Yesterday, in the local newspaper(The Oregonian), I saw a photo of a Hunter supporter, outside the convention hall, holding a big banner.
Today, I read Duncan Hunter won the straw poll and I'm energized.
Hunter is the real deal.
I've supported Hunter since last January when he won the Arizona straw poll.
When you compare Hunter's personal story, his record in office, and his positions on the issues of the day, with the, so called, front runners(really just name recognition), he stands head and shoulders above them.
Why?
Because Hunter is a Conservative.
Giuliani? Not even close.
Romney? A cameleon: blue yesterday, red today.
McCain? Dead man walking.
Thompson? Looks tired and old without makeup.
Duncan Hunter is authentic and has a sense of humility, I find appealing.
Let's put issues and grass-roots concerns ahead of MSM and Establishment spin.
I am proud to support Duncan Hunter for President.
I can't help but hum the theme music from "PATTON".
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I agree 100% with Red headed infidel....Hunter is the man,....get rid of the RINOs, or the "rats" will win in "08". |
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I agree 100% with Red headed infidel....Hunter is the man,....get rid of the RINOs, or the "rats" will win in "08". |
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I am very encouraged to see Duncan Hunter win. He is great. He knows what the globalists are up to. He is a real conservative and will work for the welfare of American citizens and our national sovereignty.
I respect Ron Paul in a lot of ways. But I don't think he could win a national election. I couldn't believe he said 9/11 was our own fault at the debates. The Islamofascists want to impose Islam on the world. Israel is to blame because they exist. We are to blame because we are INFIDELS. IT will never be over with them.
I thought invading Iraq was a mistake. The Islamofascist issue is another matter. IT will never be over with them.
Pretty hard to tell Texans the Nafta super highway is an urban myth. It is happening before their very eyes.
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I'm amused that the writer of this article wrote that Ron Paul placed a "distant" third, when he was only 49 votes behind 2nd place Fred Thompson. Try to hide your bias just a bit more.
The fact is Ron Paul supporters are thrilled with this 3rd place showing. Only past delegates were allowed to vote, which doesn't include new Republicans who are joining to support Paul, which means he is rapidly gaining influence among the Republican establishment.
However, the story was the crowd that showed up Friday and Saturday. It was a sea of Ron Paul banners, signs, t-shirts, and supporters in general. That was the real victory. |
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Portland mom doesn't like anyone to say anything bad about Mitt. Maybe she is mormon?
"Smarts, moral fiber, and qualifications"???
Do your research. He is heir apparent to the Bush machine, since Jorge stole the crown from Jeb. Look into who is running his campaign. He is totally on board with the whole globalist agenda.
Moral fiber? Besides being Rino he is no social conservative. He is pro abortion. He could have stopped gay marriage by executive order, but he didn't. He doesn't care. Not to mention I read an article by a woman working on the pro marriage issue in Mass. He treated them pretty badly.
Corporate interests own him. He is the perfect example of a Rockefeller Republican, willing to sell out our country and citizens for a mess of pottage.
Rudy, Mitt, McCain and Fred are traitors like Bush. |
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....I have been saying Ron Paul has no chance since the beginning of the campaign. This straw poll(considering how weighted straw polls are towards the top candidates)has made me rethink my opinion of Pauls chances. I always thought 'some' of what he said was reasonable (I am a constitutionalist and federalist). I still doubt he can take the nomination, but he may very well be in the top running. For all the anti-paulites, keep in mind we could do worse. The Hildebeast could win. |
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Gee, Mary. You make a strange conclusion. The Republican establishment has odd-ball RP pegged at 2%. Then he gets third place with 16% in Texas. You know, Bush country. And if there is any Republican who stands against Bush's non-conservative agenda, it is RP. You would think at this stage (with little MSM coverage, and hardly any money) he might sink to the negative digits. But he get's third place among delegates and stomps all over Romney, McCain, Huckabee, Giuliani and you conclude it is "the biggest ouch of all". Strange to me. |
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I have done my research on Romney, and all of the others as well. Your talking points have no relationship with reality.
Smarts - duh - simultaneous Harvard law and business degrees with honors.
Moral fiber - It is obvious that the man is a serious husband and father and has lived a life of integrity and service to others.
Qualifications - Extraordinary abilities - every venture a success, governed well in a very liberal state. Leadership, organization, etc, etc, etc. Has the best background of anyone running.
Contrary to what you say, he is pro-life and for traditional marriage. You know that there was nothing he could have done under the law in Mass to stop gay marriage. Get real and read the facts. He did everything in his power to stop it. Did you want him to wave a magic wand?
Because some supporters of Bush are on his side - so what? It doesn't mean anything more than they happen to think he is the best candidate. It's not a conspiracy. LOL
How is he on board with the "whole globalist adgenda"? You're funny Anna. And how do corporate interests own him? You have no evidence for anything you say.
But, the fact that you care whether or not I am LDS says a lot about you, Anna. Romney does not need your type. He can do well without the 3 of you. |
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I call Romney the Great Administrator - admirable as a CEO or politician, but not what we need at this point in time. I can see why you like Romney, portlandmom, but I also notice you didn't mention any credentials at all for defense and foreign policy.
We are going to be at war for the foreseeable future. My son is 13 and will be eligible to serve in 5 years - he has every intention of doing so, as his father and I both did. I know that we will still be at war with Islamofascism. Thus, I am keenly interested in any candidate's demonstrated ability to understand military matters and develop an overall strategy for victory. Romney has not done so. He has not sacrificed anything to serve his country, nor has he earned my confidence that he has any inkling of how to be a Commander-in-Chief. And in a time of war, that's more than an honorary title - it's a mindset that is critical to the defense of our country.
There is only one candidate who has served and who currently has a son at war - his sacrifices are our sacrifices. He is the only candidate that has served almost two decades on the Armed Services Committee, chaired it for four years, and is now the ranking member.
There is only one candidate - on either side of the aisle - who is qualified to be Commander-in Chief: Duncan Hunter.
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"I couldn't believe he said 9/11 was our own fault at the debates. The Islamofascists want to impose Islam on the world. Israel is to blame because they exist. We are to blame because we are INFIDELS. IT will never be over with them."
Actually, he did NOT say that at all, Anna. If you go back and listen, it was only the talking heads that said that and they continued to repeat it over and over. Those words never came out of Dr. Paul's mouth.
Dr. Paul talked about our foreign policy over the last 50 years of meddling in other countries' affairs, overthrowing their governments and occupying their countries, led to anti-Americanism. A few nutjobs used that as an excuse to attack us.
Dr. Paul did not pull this out of the sky. It came directly from the 911 Commission report, CIA Intelligence reports, numerous foreign policy experts, the Chief of the CIA's bin Laden Unit and even Paul Wolfowitz, himself.
Now, we make not like the facts, but they are the facts, nonetheless. Have we become so jaded, that now we are willing to shoot the messenger who tells us the truth?
"There are a lot of things that are different now [after the invasion of Iraq], and one that has gone by almost unnoticed -- but it's huge -- is that by complete mutual agreement between the US and the Saudi government we can now remove almost all of our forces from Saudi Arabia. Their presence there over the last 12 years has been a source of enormous difficulty for a friendly government. It's been a huge recruiting device for al-Qaeda. In fact if you look at bin Laden, one of his principle grievances was the presence of so- called crusader forces on the holy land, Mecca and Medina. I think just lifting that burden from the Saudis is itself going to open the door to other positive things."-- Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz, Vanity Fair, May 2003
Recommended books:
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TX political bloggers on site there thought that the majority of attendees, and the most enthusiastic, were for Ron Paul. He was thought of by some to win hands down. But out of so many, only 217 votes were counted in his favor.
Ron Paul people from San Antonio had registered on-line and gotten a receipt saying registration at 10 AM. Showed on camera, delegates there but the registrars grabbed their paper work and left the tables at exactly 10 AM saying the registration ENDED at 10. They refused to allow that busload of folks into the voting area. A few minutes later, many people were ushered in the back door who didn't support RP. This had been documented and photographed by supporters.
Full well knowing he was lying, TX GOP's Gov. Rick Perry had the audacity to say on video that Texas has no candidate in the presidential race ! Why not acknowledge him?
All the other candidates who spoke were for War.
If Duncan and Fred were anti-war, would their delegates have been turned away too?
See TX straw poll security turning away delegates at HTTP://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YDnWT4gCJSE
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You don't know the Paulies much, do you? LOL Other campaigns wish their supporters were more like them.
These men and women are so full of pride, guts, heart and soul.
They are serious about preserving and promoting love of our country, the god-given rights and the inspired principles in the documents that we stand on. Liberty, justice, progress, peace and prosperity for everyone is what they are campaigning for, and are not just a Ron Paul personality cult following. "It's the constitution, stupid."
It's global..Canadians,Brits, Africans,and see Belgians for Ron Paul web site, and get a clue.
See the Canadians in the streets from BC to Montreal protesting and educating people about the secrecy in SPP, NAU, and NAFTA disappointments? People across the country and the globe who aren't backing the CFR hand picked men are understanding that they have to act now to save the country from the NWO elitists.
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Red headed infidel....Hunter is the man:
I drove an hour to see him/hear him last week. I heard and saw him react to questions...he is nothing but another Republican Politician.
Some will take solace in the label "Republican" (it still has SOME residual value). However, any goodwill resulting from that is more than offset by the truth of the reality of his being, first and foremost a politician!
Elect him - nothing will change.
The only statesman IS Ron Paul...he scares them...why else threaten to arrest his pre-registered, pre-paid supporters?
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but I have always said Duncan Hunter should be the choice of real conservative Republicans that support the war. That being said it doesn't make any sense to worry about continuing in Iraq when our country is being ruined by socialists from both parties. I think Ron Paul is one of the few people that would try to stop it. The other candidates, especially the so called top tier, would be comfortable with destroying the Constitution and continue the welfare state. |
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Incredible! Ron Paul sucks even in his home state. How can he expect to be a legitimate candidate if he can't even garner enough support from his fellow Texans. It would be one thing if he came in a close second, but he got pounded and destroyed by... Duncan Hunter? Give it Paul... you're done! |
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Of course, I read all the previous comments before I made my comment supporting Duncan Hunter for President, and I have read the subsequent comments.
Obviously, the main battle on this thread is about Ron Paul.
I like Ron Paul's constitutional approach. His emphasis is on limited government.
Conservative Republicans can agree, limited government is a sound policy and philosophical world view, and solidly within America's historical constitutional framework.
I did not mention Mr. Paul in my comment because I agree with his general view of constitutional government.
But I do not agree with his position on Iraq, or his overly narrow view of foreign policy.
Mr. Paul is foremost a libertarian, in fact, he ran for president as a Libertarian in '88.
While I agree with his constitutional rhetoric, ultimatlely, when comparing him to Duncan Hunter, I can not support him for President of the United States of America.
Frankly, I don't want to attack Mr. Paul, not because I want to avoid his issues, but because I agree with many of his issues, yet I can't support him for president.
This should be about issues and personal abilities to be president.
I've looked hard at Mr. Paul.
I can't visualize him as president.
I can see Duncan Hunter as President of The United States of America.
Hunter's balance on the issues, his authenticity, and real world experience, solidly confirm my support.
Only one commenter has challenged Hunter, yet he failed to articulate one actual reason why Duncan Hunter isn't qualified to be president, other than to say he is a Republican politician.
Of course he is.
What are all the rest?
Duncan Hunter is the best qualified candidate for President of the United States of America.
I challenge anybody to disagree!
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Oldagg, I'm curious, what was it Duncan Hunter said that caused you to believe that he is "just another sold out politition"? I knew Duncan back before he went to Viet Nam. I was close friends with his younger brother, and I spent a lot of time with Duncan's family. I have never heard him say anything as a congressman that was inconsistant with his very strong conservative upbringing. Perhaps your enthusiasm for Ron Paul has prevented you from taking a clear look at Duncan and his record.
There are many things I like about Ron Paul. However, all of the things I like about Ron Paul, Duncan Hunter possesses in equal or greater measure.
Duncan is strongly pro-life, receiving a 100% rating from National Right to Life, and a 0% from NARAL.
He is a supporter of gun rights with an A+ rating from both the Gun Owners of America and the NRA. By the way, it was the Hunter family that taught me how to shoot a gun, as well as how to use a bow and arrow.
He is pro worker, with a 100% rating from Campaign for Working families and he opposes NAFTA.
Duncan is unmatched on Illegal immigration, even opposing Ronald Reagan's 1986 amnesty, which Ron Paul supported.
What I don't like about Ron Paul is his apparent animosity toward Israel and his - if we leave them alone, they will leave us alone - approach to terrorists.
Whether or not you agree with us going into Iraq is beside the point now. We are there, and Duncan's credentials to be CIC cannot be touched by any other candidate. I think he will actually get our troops out of Iraq quicker than anyone else, including Ron Paul. It is my hope, Oldagg, that you will take a closer look at Duncan. I think you will discover what I have known for many, many years - his conservative roots run very deep and his views will not evolve with every wind of political convenience.
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Though I do not share the views of Duncan Hunter espoused so well and so respectfully by Jim of Oregon and Lotus Super 7, I do have the highest regard for their polite, thoughtful consideration for the views of those who disagree with them.
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Referring back to my previous post, I cannot likewise hold Mary Katharine Ham in the same high regard that I have for individuals like Jim of Oregon and Lotus Super 7 who show no tendency whatsoever to disparage Ron Paul or other candidates. Mary K's comments are sugar-coated in "ouchies" that presumably are supposed to be endearing, but which fail to cover her smug conviction that she is one of the chosen ones and thus has been given license to disparage Ron Paul and his fervent supporters, who, in my opinion, have the most passionate commitment to ensuring liberty and true conservative values of any group of supporters in the country.
I refer Mary K and other interested individuals to my blog, "The Crack in the Liberty Bell," which is accessible by clicking on my name. The first entry, written yesterday, was stimulated by this thread when my post was too long. It is entitled: "Green Eggs and Townhall HAM." Have some. The green eggs are not bad...even though they are held over from Easter; the HAM?...ehhh. |
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Obviously Dr. Hugh Cort is the only candidate who has a plan to win the war courtesy of General McInerney. |
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I believe the main reason Fred Thompson placed as well as he did was because the Fredheads robot. It was awesome ;) |
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