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Thursday, October 29, 2009
Legally Armed Students 'Fishing' for Bad Guys
Posted by: Chris Field at 9:04 AM
From Seattle (video below):
A group of University Of Washington students are being called vigilantes after they armed themselves with handguns and tried to set up patrols on University Avenue and other areas around campus where students have been attacked over the past year.

Stanley Luong and Luis Garcia have armed themselves. Both are assault victims.

Luong says, "Some guy just broke down the window, reached in and unlocked the door and came in and robbed us."

Garcia says, "Four men jumped out of a car. They assaulted me and threw my girlfriend to the ground and they attempted to rob me. Two times I've been jumped. I said it's not going to happen a third time."

So both got a concealed license permit and bought handguns. Now they walk with pistols in their pockets...looking for the bad guys.

Luong says, "I don't know if it's illegal to walk around and be bait. I'm kind of fishing for robbers."

Garcia says, "I believe the police they come after the fact. They aren't there when the incident is occurring I believe this is just the fastest means of protecting oneself and those around you? and so I decided to take that measure and execute my second amendment to bear arms."

According to the UW Daily Newspaper, there have been ten assaults and robberies in the area in just the past two months.

 


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Tom Ketchum  writes: Thursday, October, 29, 2009 9:40 AM
be very carefull
It's one thing to protect yourself and quite another to hunt for trouble. If you shoot someone while "fishing" you may be charged .
western bondbeam writes: Thursday, October, 29, 2009 9:41 AM
Illegal to carry on campus!
I like how they stress at the end of the clip that it is illegal to carry on campus!

They should put up a sign.

"Attention Robbers. It is illegal for law abiding citizens to carry firearms on this college campus. If you wish to rob them or assault them at gunpoint, do it on campus property because the students are not allowed to carry firearms on campus property."


As far as the students go, my advice to them is to stop announcing that you are carrying a concealed weapon.....and also.....get a good holster. Thugs carry their guns loose in their belts. You should know better.
Lepanto writes: Thursday, October, 29, 2009 9:54 AM
Carrying on Campus
It is better to be judged by twelve than carried by six, so carrying concealed is a good idea. Like most young people they need to learn to keep their mouths shut. Local Law Enforcement will not tolerate Vigilantes .
Jack writes: Thursday, October, 29, 2009 10:01 AM
OK
You may have a concealed handgun license, but study the state laws very well. Hope it is legal, because it sure will make the BAD guys think twice.
SJA writes: Thursday, October, 29, 2009 10:06 AM
Carrying on Campus
Pretty sad with the cost of tuition that this Unversity does not see fit to beef up security. Bet they had money to give their liberal professors some new perks.
Val writes: Thursday, October, 29, 2009 10:09 AM
vigilante justice?
of course wing nuts of all stripes and colors can warm up to this-it has all the elements about America they hold so dear-complete disregard for the law, protecting the free market through short sighted violence, and a hefty does of 2nd amendment buffoonery..

Yes these fine students follow in the finest tradition of hooded justice; just another example of how conservtaive have become sad parodies of themselves.

They are little more than "living comic books" only with less subtsance.
western bondbeam writes: Thursday, October, 29, 2009 10:29 AM
Val
Are these students conservatives?
Tom Ketchum  writes: Thursday, October, 29, 2009 10:29 AM
val the idiot
did you read any of the previous posts ? all encouraged caution ,Carrying a gun is a very serious matter and not to be taken lightly,even when a firearm is used in a clearcut selfdefense situation there are serious consequences .use of deadly force should always be the last resort taken when there is no other option.
Big Sky Cowboy writes: Thursday, October, 29, 2009 10:36 AM
Clay
she has to get her BS out so many times in a day, she has no skills to comprehend what anyone else posts,way beyond her abilities. You Betcha
Tom Ketchum  writes: Thursday, October, 29, 2009 10:41 AM
Big Sky Cowboy

She is an idiot,and an obnoxious one at that.
homer noble writes: Thursday, October, 29, 2009 10:41 AM
Val-u-less postulates:
"They are little more than "living comic books" only with less subtsance."

We can't help but notice the perpetually empty cartoon bubble hovering above your head.
homer noble writes: Thursday, October, 29, 2009 10:48 AM
Campus security takes an
administration with some heads up management skills:

The University of Minnesota Security Monitor Program, a branch of the UMPD, offers free walking and biking security escorts to and from campus locations and nearby adjacent neighborhoods for all students, staff, faculty and visitors.

All Security Monitors are given training in First Aid, CPR, and Body Substance Isolation. All Security Monitors are equipped with a First Aid Kit and a portable police radio in the event of an emergency.

The U of MN is nestled on the shores of Liberal Lakes, where the mysterians live and go green.
Bill writes: Thursday, October, 29, 2009 10:57 AM
A simple (but true) slogan:
An armed society is a polite society.

No matter how much anti-gun folks argue otherwise, the fact is that armed people (with the knowledge to handle weapons) are a deterrent to crime for numerous reasons, not the least of which is the threat of return fire.
Big Sky Cowboy writes: Thursday, October, 29, 2009 10:58 AM
Caution Is Needed
Yes, but the practice of having a gun is very serious like Clay said. The one thing that is strange, Val jumps on the ones who are trying to protect themselves from being the victim again of thugs, your anger should be towards the criminals not those that want to live their life in peace.
western bondbeam writes: Thursday, October, 29, 2009 11:00 AM
homer noble
First Aid training???? How does that help against a robbery or assault? They going to throw their first aid kit at the robber?



SJA writes: Thursday, October, 29, 2009 11:03 AM
Clay Allison
Val-u-less just read the word handguns and off on a tangent she went. No concern about the students being in danger. I am not thrilled at the prospect of students having to carry guns to protect themselves but I sure as heck understand when they attend a school, which I am sure charged plenty of tuition. does nothing to make them safe.
sloandog writes: Thursday, October, 29, 2009 11:06 AM
Why didn't they just talk to the muggers
If only the students would just sit down with these muggers and apologize for America being such a horrible country and how much we owe to the muggers of the world than the muggers would stop this behavior and we could all hold hands and sing Kumbya.I'm told this policy works ,however I've never seen been successful but lets keep trying it.
Cicero writes: Thursday, October, 29, 2009 11:11 AM
Boys got the concept of "militiae"
Excellent. They're doing exaxctly what they should be doing.

As for "no gun on campus" policies, well, that's just the sort of liberal-lefty hoplophpia that was meant to be ignored. No one should obey irrational gun laws, much less unconstitutional ones. I have a CCW and carry into the US Post Office all the time, even though there is a Federal law prohibitng that. Screw that Federal law.


SJA writes: Thursday, October, 29, 2009 11:13 AM
sloandog
Yes it is the Obama way. He is sure it will work well with the terrorists. Just talk to them, offer them money and there will be one big love feast.
Tom Ketchum  writes: Thursday, October, 29, 2009 11:13 AM
sloandog
Maybe if we just gave the muggers more money and helped their self esteem this would stop.I like singing Kumbya . That song sends a tingle down my leg and gives hope for change. nevermind I'll keep my guns and money and they can keep the change.
western bondbeam writes: Thursday, October, 29, 2009 11:31 AM
Not that I want to give
lefty's any ammunition but sometimes praying with the robber helps...:-)

http://www.theindychannel.com/news/21346638/detail.html
sloandog writes: Thursday, October, 29, 2009 11:33 AM
Obama will come to the rescue!
This is a national emergency,his first order will be to confiscate the student's weapons and revoke their licenses and should any of the muggers are harmed he will declare it a hate crime.
Corndog writes: Thursday, October, 29, 2009 11:34 AM
As a solid advocate
of permit to carry a weapon, I support 100% the students rights to carry on campus; however, I do not condone 'trolling' for trouble.

Word of advice, if assaulted or threatened, aim for center mass.

One more word of advice, 'The Judge' is a nice piece with the capability to shoot a .45 or .410 shotgun shell. The .410 puts them down. The .45 puts them away....for good.
Exeye writes: Thursday, October, 29, 2009 11:35 AM
Armed is one thing
and everyone should have that unrestricted option, IMHO, after getting the required training or going through the appropriate experience, such as a few years with the Army. BUT, going out there with your new found skills itching for payback...uh uh. A weapon is a tool, to be treated as a tool, the appropriate tool for the appropriate situation. You treat it as a superpower, it will bite you. Hard.
Col Bat Guano writes: Thursday, October, 29, 2009 11:36 AM
Give this student an A
"Garcia says, "I believe the police they come after the fact. They aren't there when the incident is occurring I believe this is just the fastest means of protecting oneself and those around you? and so I decided to take that measure and execute my second amendment to bear arms."

Absolutely damn right!! Police arrest the perps (maybe), write their crime report, and hop back in their squad car and leave you to deal with the mess. Their job is to enforce the law, not prevent the law from being broken. Don't want to be a vic? Then learn what these two students learned.
paddy o'furniture writes: Thursday, October, 29, 2009 11:46 AM
Western
I doubt that would occur to most lefties.....
Cicero writes: Thursday, October, 29, 2009 11:53 AM
Corndog
I've been eyeing one of those. Nasty little package.
western bondbeam writes: Thursday, October, 29, 2009 11:58 AM
paddy
Yeah but they certainly aren't going to pull heat so they might as well pray. :-)
Big Sky Cowboy writes: Thursday, October, 29, 2009 11:59 AM
Hate Crime
It is a hate crime, in fact all crimes are hate crimes. A thief hates not having money to buy his drugs, so he robs you, you hate getting robbed so you arm yourself and kill the one robbing you another hate crime. Or does the robber love not having money to buy his drugs? Or do you love being robbed to pay for the robbers drugs?
Val writes: Thursday, October, 29, 2009 12:18 PM
ha! the idiots have spoken
and once again show themselves to be not only incapable of introspection but masters of complete incoherence-just look at the last post from the Bunny hole from Montana.

"Endless comedy on this site."
western bondbeam writes: Thursday, October, 29, 2009 12:18 PM
Judge
would be fine for open carry with standard holster fare but not a good choice for conceal carry. There are better 45s that conceal better than a judge IMO.
Phineas T. Bluster writes: Thursday, October, 29, 2009 12:29 PM
Concealed Carry
Ought to be available to anyone not a felon. Vermont has it right - carry open, carry concealed - nobody cares until you shoot someone not in need of being shot - then it's yr arse.

One other small point - if you own a carry weapon, make sure you own more than one - because if you ever have to use it, it becomes evidence, and you'll feel naked walking around without it - so have another one.

As for talking about it, well, concealed means nobody can tell, and if I am asked about whether I am carrying, I'll probably lie, because I don't think it is anyone's business what I own, how many, or if I happen to have one along. I own motorcycles, just how many is nobody's business. There is no point in concealed carry if attitude or conversation unmasks the carrier.

If you ever do have to draw that concealed weapon, make sure you are prepared for the consequences, and to clean up the mess - because just pointing it at someone does not guarantee compliance, and if you are not ready to do more than point it, you'll probably end up wearing it.

Assuming you are prepared to shoot, aim at the center of the largest part of the body and shoot twice. Observe the result - if the threat still advances, shoot it twice more in the same general area. If the threat still advances, go for a cranio-occipital (head) or groin shot - a broken pelvis will usually stop forward progress.

From my standpoint, anything less than a 9 mm is not enough - and a 9 might not be enough. My personal carry weapon is a Glock 30 - 45 caliber small enough to hide, noisy and accurate. The Judge, mentioned here is also a good choice, and I just might have to go and get one for myself - but it is harder to conceal.


End of sermonette
Big Sky Cowboy writes: Thursday, October, 29, 2009 12:32 PM
Val
Was my last post too much for your drunk mind to get around, sober up you might understand it then ,oh and up your bunny hole.
paddy o'furniture writes: Thursday, October, 29, 2009 12:44 PM
Phineas
I noticed my social life picking up after I started concealing my Socom down the front of my Wranglers.....

.....not sure why, exactly.
Bob Munck writes: Thursday, October, 29, 2009 1:05 PM
Phineas T. Bluster 12:29 PM
"you'll feel naked walking around without it ... From my standpoint, anything less than a 9 mm is not enough"

Have you tried taking Viagra? Or answering some of those spam messages about "enlargement?"
Corndog writes: Thursday, October, 29, 2009 1:26 PM
Cicero

"I've been eyeing one of those."

I highly recommend it.

Not exactly the best thing to carry around with you, but a great piece of mind for home protection. I've got mine in the nightstand right beside the bed. The first 3 chambers are load with .410 shells, the next 2 with .45's.

Anybody comes IN to my house univited is going OUT in a bodybag.
Gray Ghost writes: Thursday, October, 29, 2009 2:02 PM
Practice, Practice, Practice
One other recommendation: Practice shooting whatever pistol you decide to carry.

Practice until pulling and firing are instinctive, almost "second nature".

Practice at least once each month at a firing range. Get a dry firing cartridge and practice dry firing every week.

If and when the time comes that you have to use your pistol (and I pray that you don't), your practicing will allow you to use your pistol in a manner that reflects why you got it.

Practice will also increase your accuracy. I would rather have a .38 Special that I am accurate with than a .45 that I can't hit the "ocean from a dingy" with. (And I own and carry pistols in both of these calibers.)

NRA Endowment Life Member
Val writes: Thursday, October, 29, 2009 3:06 PM
and now that doug giles
has weighed in with his brilliance we can all call it a night.

more importantly cottoneyed has an urgent message....

val" is a RACIST.
A RACIST extraordinaire. Facts don't lie. She has and is responsible for the demise of the black family. 70% of black children grow up never having a father present. Dooming them to a lifetime of poverty, and permanent wards of the state. "val" the RACIST, wouldn't have it any other way. She's got em' right where she wants em'! As wards of the state, they are beholden to her. She's their slave master, demanding that they continue to vote the "right way". And for that she throws some crumbs their way, and when your wards of "val", those crumbs look large. Vote the "right way" and those crumbs will keep comin'. Just as surely as Sherman marched through Atlanta, destroying everything in his path, "val" the RACIST has destroyed the black family. The KKK could have not done a better job. She has devastated 3 generations of the black family. When will she be stopped?


paddy o'furniture writes: Thursday, October, 29, 2009 3:18 PM
Uh
"...we can all call it a night."

It's 3 p.m. on the East Coast, airhead.
sceptyczny writes: Thursday, October, 29, 2009 3:29 PM
time to amend the Constitution
and get rid of that second amendment. Guns kill people.
western bondbeam writes: Thursday, October, 29, 2009 3:50 PM
sceptyczny
"guns kill people"


Did you come up with that all by yourself or cut and paste off someone else?
paddy o'furniture writes: Thursday, October, 29, 2009 4:09 PM
seppy wants to undo the founders.....
.....and re-create the country's core document in his own image.....

....just like Obama.

Don't worry seppy, after Ruby Ridge and Waco, I think the Feds still got a handle on that whole killing of innocent people thing.....

Oh, and by the way....they use THEIR guns to do it.
SJA writes: Thursday, October, 29, 2009 4:16 PM
paddy o'furniture
Yes sewage mouth wants to take out that pesky little amendment that gives people the right to bear arms. I bet she would just love to replace it with an amendment that will only benefit gays.
Gray Ghost writes: Thursday, October, 29, 2009 4:20 PM
sceptyczny, Let's Also Get Rid Of the:
1st Amendment: Nobody needs to disagree with King Obama. And according to Liberals, religion is "old fashioned".

3rd Amendment: King Obama can save money and quarter his new civilian troops in everyone's home.

4th Amendment: Warrants? King Obama don't need no stinkin' warrants.

5th Amendment: Due process? King Obama don't need no stinkin' due process.

6th Amendment: Speedy trial? Only if King Obama allows you to have a trial.

7th Amendment: Trial by jury? Only if King Obama allows you to have a trial.

8th Amendment: Excessive bail or cruel punishment? King Obama wants all who disagree with him to have excessive bail and/or cruel punishment.

9th Amendment: King Obama don't like this one either.

10th Amendment: There is only one state, the state of Obama!

sceptyczny, you are a very sad and stupid person. If you remove the 2nd Amendment, what is to keep the government from removing the other 9 in the Bill of Rights?

Plus, the Bill of Rights is a "package deal". If the federal government ever tries to remove one of these ten, "We the people" will REMOVE them.
sceptyczny writes: Thursday, October, 29, 2009 4:22 PM
hey, the founders allowed slavery to
stand. They were not the be all and end all of discussions. Guns may have been necessary for hunting and stuff in the day, but time to start that amendment circulating around the country. You see, unlike you, I'd go the constitutional route. You want to undo things like Roe, for example, by simple law. You are afraid of a constitutional amendment process because you'd lose. Same on that gay marriage thing.

(By the way, I know none of you get HBO, but they've got this great show on right now called OutRage...fascinating to see so many GOP, 'values' types in the closet, and getting outed.
western bondbeam writes: Thursday, October, 29, 2009 4:29 PM
sceptyczny
Did you just say "hunting and stuff"?

Are you sure you aren't a conservative writing satire and pretending to be one of these ridiculous lefty trolls? ....because that line was quite funny.

paddy o'furniture writes: Thursday, October, 29, 2009 4:36 PM
seppy
"hey, the founders allowed slavery to
stand. "

Do you know why that is septic? Why don't you explain what happened during the voting on the Declaration of Independence and how the discussions on the slavery issue went.....
paddy o'furniture writes: Thursday, October, 29, 2009 5:01 PM
seppy......?
....you still here.......?
The Plumber writes: Thursday, October, 29, 2009 5:03 PM
"hunting and stuff"
"Guns may have been necessary for hunting and stuff in the day..."

Yeah. Govt is benevolent nowadays. And since we're a democracy, anything govt does has the consent of the governed.


Oops. "Benevolent"? I forgot, as a radical rightwing conservative, I'm not supposed to know any words over two syllables.

Syllables? Dammit, I did it again!


We came unarmed, this time!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBVPnUdlRHw

Watch the whole thing. You'll like the "birdseye" view. That's right, we can end the ever-elusive socialist utopia in a matter of minutes with VERY little bloodshed. Fortunately for the statists, we're (conservatives/classic liberals) too civilized for a Reign of Terror (I'm not supposed to know about that either, am I Scept?).

Just keep pokin' the bear, but don't say that we weren't warned when the bear turns violent.



paddy o'furniture writes: Friday, October, 30, 2009 12:45 AM
Shotgun preteen vs. ....
.....Illegal alien Home Invaders:
Butte, Montana November 5, 2007

Two illegal aliens, Ralphel Resindez, 23, and Enrico Garza, 26, probably believed they would easily overpower home-alone 11 year old Patricia Harrington after her father had left their two-story home.

It seems the two crooks never learned two things: they were in Montana and Patricia had been a clay shooting champion since she was nine.

Patricia was in her upstairs room when the two men broke through the front door of the house. She quickly ran to her father's room and grabbed his 12 gauge Mossberg 500 shotgun.

Resindez was the first to get up to the second floor only to be the first to catch a near point blank blast of buckshot from the 11-year-old's knee crouch aim. He suffered fatal wounds to his abdomen and genitals.

When Garza ran to the foot of the stairs, he took a blast to the left shoulder and staggered out into the street where he bled to death before medical help could arrive.

It was found out later that Resindez was armed with a stolen 45 caliber handgun he took from another home invasion robbery. That victim, 50-year-old David 0Burien, was not so lucky. He died from stab wounds to the chest.

Ever wonder why good stuff never makes NBC, CBS, PBS, MSNBC, CNN , or ABC news........an 11 year old girl, properly trained, defended her home, and herself......against two murderous, illegal immigrants.....and she wins,
She is still alive.

Now that is Gun Control! :-)

Thought for the day:

Calling an illegal alien an 'undocumented immigrant' is like calling a drug dealer an 'unlicensed pharmacist'
arch writes: Friday, October, 30, 2009 12:52 AM
Paddy
paddy o'furniture writes: Friday, October, 30, 2009 12:45 AM
Shotgun preteen vs. ....
.....Illegal alien Home Invaders:
Butte, Montana November 5, 2007

Two illegal aliens, Ralphel Resindez, 23, and Enrico Garza, 26, probably believed they would easily overpower home-alone 11 year old Patricia Harrington after her father had left their two-story home.

It seems the two crooks never learned two things: they were in Montana and Patricia had been a clay shooting champion since she was nine.

Patricia was in her upstairs room when the two men broke through the front door of the house. She quickly ran to her father's room and grabbed his 12 gauge Mossberg 500 shotgun.

Resindez was the first to get up to the second floor only to be the first to catch a near point blank blast of buckshot from the 11-year-old's knee crouch aim. He suffered fatal wounds to his abdomen and genitals.

When Garza ran to the foot of the stairs, he took a blast to the left shoulder and staggered out into the street where he bled to death before medical help could arrive.

It was found out later that Resindez was armed with a stolen 45 caliber handgun he took from another home invasion robbery. That victim, 50-year-old David 0Burien, was not so lucky. He died from stab wounds to the chest.

Ever wonder why good stuff never makes NBC, CBS, PBS, MSNBC, CNN , or ABC news........an 11 year old girl, properly trained, defended her home, and herself......against two murderous, illegal immigrants.....and she wins,
She is still alive.

Now that is Gun Control! :-)

Thought for the day:

Calling an illegal alien an 'undocumented immigrant' is like calling a drug dealer an 'unlicensed pharmacist

Arch says

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