Tuesday, May 15, 2007
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Jerry Falwell Dead at 73
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Posted by:
Mary Katharine Ham at
1:45 PM
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He was hospitalized earlier today in "gravely serious" condition after being found unconscious in his office at Liberty University in Lynchburg, Va. Allah has waded through the left-wing Internet hang-outs to bring you the rejoice-in-death threads they are so famous for. I'll link one DU thread (the second one that had to be opened due to the wealth of sensitive commentary) in case you're not in the mood for the richness of all the reaction. This seems like an appropriate moment for some wisdom from Susan Estrich (I read this somewhere yesterday, but can't remember where, so my apologies for no hat tip). Here's Susan addressing the HuffPo crowd's reaction to Tony Snow's battle with cancer:
These are not people who know Tony, or have personally been harmed by him in any way. Butthey wish him the worst; they take pleasure in his battle; they make ugly jokes about his condition. This is a husband and father who is fighting a scary illness, doing it with grace and dignity, changing people’s minds about living with cancer … and one after another of the messages is from someone who wishes him the worst because their hate is so deep. I come from the school of politics that says ultimately, we’re all on the same team, that you fight as hard as you can all day, but after the day ends, you drink together, or eat together, or party together. Whatever it is that you do, you do it with people on the other side, as well. It’s a disagreement, not a war.We’re partisans, not enemies. I don’t call this the “old” school but the better one.
And, back to the "new school" and the worse one.
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...For the double post. I hit the back button on my mouse by mistake, and then hit "Post Your Comments" button, and that combo resulted in the double posting somehow.
Again, my apologies. |
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"The 'he was a good man' argument is bolagna!"
That wasn't an argument, it was a statement of my belief.
>Jesus (Yeshua) was either:
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>1) Crazy and a flat out liar
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>2) The true son of God
Only if you believe everything written by other men long after his death. I don't. I look at the "Gospel" in the context it was written. It was written by those wanting to start a religion.
"And dude...for the last time...it doesn't matter what I call him. I know the name Yeshua. For instance, if you didn't ever use the name Jesus and put Yeshua in the same place, but quote his sayings from the bible, I would know exactly who you were talking about."
Again, I don't really care what you call him. Personally I think ya'll have been too hung up about what I call him. Had it not brought up by you and others over and over and over again, I would have dropped it long ago.
"Call him crazy, or call him God, but don't pull this good man crap."
I don't call him either, so it is you that's do the yanking here, Justin. |
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"The 'he was a good man' argument is bolagna!"
That wasn't an argument, it was a statement of my belief.
>Jesus (Yeshua) was either:
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>1) Crazy and a flat out liar
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>2) The true son of God
Only if you believe everything written by other men long after his death. I don't. I look at the "Gospel" in the context it was written. It was written by those wanting to start a religion.
"And dude...for the last time...it doesn't matter what I call him. I know the name Yeshua. For instance, if you didn't ever use the name Jesus and put Yeshua in the same place, but quote his sayings from the bible, I would know exactly who you were talking about."
Again, I don't really care what you call him. Personally I think ya'll have been too hung up about what I call him. Had it not brought up by you and others over and over and over again, I would have dropped it long ago.
"Call him crazy, or call him God, but don't pull this good man crap."
I don't call him either, so it is you that's do the yanking here, Justin. |
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"I do believe that Yeshua was a very good man, and I respect him for what he believed in and taught, Love."
The "he was a good man" argument is bolagna!
John 14:6 "Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me."
As C.S. Lewis pointed out in "Mere Christianity"
Jesus (Yeshua) was either:
1) Crazy and a flat out liar
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2) The true son of God
And dude...for the last time...it doesn't matter what I call him. I know the name Yeshua. For instance, if you didn't ever use the name Jesus and put Yeshua in the same place, but quote his sayings from the bible, I would know exactly who you were talking about. Call him crazy, or call him God, but don't pull this good man crap.
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How many people spoke English when Jesus was around? I would think not very many, especially not those who where commanded to name him.
I don't understand your strawman question.
Yeshua in English translates to Joshua. I call him Yeshua, not Joshua. So what does English have to do with it?
Why hang on to some antiquated Roman Catholic anti-semitic transliteration?
"...yet you don’t believe in Jesus."
That's right, I don't believe in the "Jesus" of modern day Christian religions. But then again I don't believe in any religion created by men.
I do believe that Yeshua was a very good man, and I respect him for what he believed in and taught, Love.
"However, if you do not believe in Jesus, what is the point for you?"
I believe I already answered that for you.
"'And he said unto them, He that hath ears to hear, let him hear.' - Mark 4:9"
"Now that one I am taking out of context, but that is the spirit in which I'm "confronting" this audience. To explain to those, who may be willing to hear, about the hypocrisy of the religion that falsely professes to be the servants of Yeshua."
I'm getting nothing, except the opportunity to present Yeshua as I see him, as opposed to those that only know how hypocrites like Falwell, and his ilk see him.
Obviously, you don't see Yeshua as I do, as you come to "Jesus" through faith, and I've come to Yeshua through reason. Oh well. But I do respect your personal faith, as at least you can understand that the "Jesus" you love isn't the "Jesus" of Falwell and his followers. |
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"I don't care. I just find it ironic that most Christians don't know the true name of their "Lord and Savior.""
How many people spoke English when Jesus was around? I would think not very many, especially not those who where commanded to name him.
“I'm just an average man of reason, who is unafraid to state that which I believe, and am willing to explain and stand up for my beliefs.”
Your posts have been almost entirely quotes from gospel, yet you don’t believe in Jesus. So stand up for your beliefs already. A lot of what you have said on here makes sense, and you used the gospel very well to show that Falwell was a hypocrite. However, if you do not believe in Jesus, what is the point for you?
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"You are obviously wasting your time here because no one is listening to you..."
My time. And I don't assume that everyone that is reading these comments are also the one replying to them.
"You seemingly are trying to put yourself on a pedestal..."
That is what you perceive, but that would be far from the truth.
"Since it seems like you think God takes issue with those who call Jesus by a name that was not given to him when he was here..."
When did I say anything like, "God takes issue with those who call Jesus by a name that was not given to him when he was here?"
Please quote me.
"...it would seem to me that you are Jewish..."
ROFL! My paternal grandfather was a German soldier during WWII, and was quite the fundie evangelical Christian.
"(I am not trying to be insulting)"
OK, but I have to wonder why you'd even mention it.
"Funny that you would even care what people call Jesus..."
I don't care. I just find it ironic that most Christians don't know the true name of their "Lord and Savior."
"...again it seems like you are putting yourself on a pedestal..."
"It seems like you are" disturbed by me. LOL!
You are the one trying to hold me up on some "pedestal." I'm just an average man of reason, who is unafraid to state that which I believe, and am willing to explain and stand up for my beliefs.
"Peace I leave with you..." |
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You have probably moved on from this one, but I read your comments and it just makes me giggle. You are obviously wasting your time here because no one is listening to you... It is very apparent by all the loving replies you get. You are not setting a very good example: first by quoting scripture you don't even believe in, second by telling Christians what they should do and how to follow their master (when you don't even believe he existed). You seemingly are trying to put yourself on a pedestal and create an image that you are more educated in scripture than the true followers here (and I do not mean the right-wing conservative bible punchers, I mean the pacifist Christ followers). Since it seems like you think God takes issue with those who call Jesus by a name that was not given to him when he was here, it would seem to me that you are Jewish (I am not trying to be insulting). … Funny that you would even care what people call Jesus, again it seems like you are putting yourself on a pedestal….. |
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"It's wonderful news that Falwell is dead."
For you, the good news is that Falwell is dead. The bad news for you is that there are 225 million Christians still alive. |
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by stating for the record that I am not a Christian, I'm a Deist, and that I've generally never had any use for Mr. Falwell or his message.
Now then, I know that it shouldn't really come as a surprise, after all we're talking about moonbats here, but I still find myself shocked by the staggering amount of sheer, visceral hatred the Left is pouring out in the wake of this man's death. And it's not only directed at Falwell, but at Christianity as a whole. It is truly astonishing how much dark loathing these people carry in their hearts. |
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Thanks for the Jerry stories. I didn't know much about him, and I'm sure I would disagree with him on some things, but a friend I respect very much attended Liberty and I value his opinion. Don't be discouraged by the hatred on here. Actually, I think we can all agree to rejoice in Jerry's death. Those who hated him are rejoicing because he is gone and the rest of us can rejoice with his family that he has gone peacefully to a better place. I know those who loved him will miss him and grieve his passing, but how wonderful for them and what a blessing that he died doing the work he loved and didn't suffer. |
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I'd be nice to people that paid over 20 grand a year to attend my forth tier rated university.
http://www.usnews.com/usnews/edu/college/directory/brief/drglance_10392_brief.php
"You have heard that it was said, 'Love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ But I tell you: Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, that you may be sons of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that? And if you greet only your brothers, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that? Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect." - Matthew 5:43-48
If you don't get it, Yeshua was saying it easy to love those like you, even pagans do that. Yeshua commanded not only to "love those that love you" but also to love those who are your enemy. Like those "Muslim heathens" Jerry wanted to do unto.
But you just don't get it, do you, Justin?
And I do love how you ignored that, so I'm gonna repeat it for you:
"This 'turn the other cheek' business is all well and good but it's not what Jesus fought and died for. What we need to do is take the battle to the Muslim heathens and do unto them before they do unto us."
"But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also." - Matthew 5:39
"Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets." - Matthew 7:12
Jerry is preaching the exact opposite of that of Yeshua. If you don't see Jerry's words as antithetical to that of Yeshua, then you don't know Yeshua either. |
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Jerry is a true messenger of Devil! Who said Devil's ambassadors come with 2 horns and a tail? They always come as cute & cuddly as teddy bears and tactfully distract the believers. Look what he has done to Christianity:
(1) Thrashed the sweet gospel of our Savior and replaced it with abortion propaganda!
(2) Changed Christianity from its love that passeth all understanding to hateful abortion maniac's cult!
(3) Made the believers from proclaiming the salvation through Christ to abortion watchers and political activists!
(4) Changed the world view of christens as the lamp on a hill and a salt of the society to abortion police!
And many more... in one word, he replaced all the goodness a believer cherished after being saved with abortion!!
Well done son of a devil, you have done what your master in hell hath commanded, now its time to stand before my Creator, the GREAT ONE, convicted and banished to the dungeons where darkness and gnashing of teeth alone prevails for eternity.
My Lord my sweet Lord, great is your wisdom, greatest is your judgment. |
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I've heard it said many times that actions speak louder than words. These are some quotes from people at Liberty that met Jerry.
"After I left Liberty in 2000, it didnt matter how long it had been since I had seen him...he never forgot my name, who I was, and the times we had together. Whether it be at a conference I was attending that he was speaking or if it were back at Liberty, he always made time for me."
"I waited on him at Ruby Tuesday a lot when I worked there. It must have been the beginning of the semester when all of the new students were coming in. He was eating dinner with Macel, and student after student came in to have their pictures taken with him (evidently he was part of a scavenger hunt). I asked him if he ever wished that he could eat in privacy, and he said, "No, I love these kids. These are my kids. Do you go to Liberty?" Ha! I'm sure if I would have said no, he would have absolutely worked to convince me."
"My mom and grandparents visited me for my 21st birthday from Arizona. We ate at Ruby Tuesdays and Jerry and his wife were there! We went over and said hello! When we were done eating, the waitor informed us that Jerry was paying for our lunch!"
"I hitchhike all over campus (cause i'm lazy,lol) and once, Jerry actually picked me up and gave me a ride. I was able to talk to him for a few minutes, just he and I, about my home church and things that are happening at Liberty. Afterwards, he shook my hand, and drove off. that was last semester. I don't care what people say of him, he still had more faith than most people i've met, and he'll always be one of my heroes for that."
Maybe you got bored and quit reading, but this is how one really affects his fellow man. If he was the self righteous, money for himself kind of person that you are all making him out to be, then why on earth would he care enough about the little people?
Oh and for the last time. Jesus for us is Yeshua. Maybe the translations don't match up. But I worship the Jewish carpenter born of a virgin that died on a wooden cross at the hands of an angry mob for my salvation and raised from the dead on the third day. Is that a close enough description for ya? And regardless of some of the random statements that the media likes to pull from Jerry's long time in the spotlight, thats the God that he worshiped as well. |
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The bible would not be what it is if it were not for BOTH testaments (old and new). The new testament does not "do away with" the old testament like some people seem to think, but it does offer a different perspective of the old testament. It's a difference between moral law and laws of the time. For instance, the whole "you can't eat pork" thing. thats a law of the time that no longer applies to us. Women never uttering a word in the church. Well thats a law of the time as well because women weren't respected enough so if they spoke nobody would listen anyway. Of course that subject is brought back up in Timothy, but thats another topic all together.
I guess the point is that Jesus' life more or less exemplifies the moral laws in the old testament and offers one sacrifice for everyone that will accept it rather than a different sacrifice for every sin. |
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Actually GLAD says Falwell "IS" correct...the purple Teletubby IS gay... |
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Now, do you follow the Old Testament or only the New Testament?
Or is it more like a pick and choose what you like, type of thing?
If in Leviticus 18:22 it states that man shall not lay with man as a woman, then that's the Old Testament, right?
The Ten Commandments are the Old Testament, right.
Then how come the punishments for NOT following the Ten Commandments aren't followed, as well? How did those punishments get hijacked out of the equation?
Then what of all that talk about slavery in the Old Testament? Why aren't we still doing that? What was the criteria for abolishing slavery if the bible endorsed it?
If you don't go by the Old Testament since the new one arrived, then what's up with the Ten Commandments? And if you still follow the top ten, then why not the punishment for those commandments - it's very contradictory. |
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"I never meant to judge you; I only meant to show you how it appears to me."
Boy, is that quibbling! Almost Clintonesque.
"so I see no point in you quoting scripture (out of context I might add)"
Please explain this accusation.
"Falwell in my opinion served himself, who his spiritual master was, only he knows."
Jerry certainly wasn't a servant of Yeshua, as I believe I've aptly demonstrated in my previous two posts.
"But hey, you apparently seem more intellectual, and better guided than all of us, which leads me to wonder why you would waste your time confronting people who are so beneath you."
"And he said unto them, He that hath ears to hear, let him hear." - Mark 4:9
Now that one I am taking out of context, but that is the spirit in which I'm "confronting" this audience. To explain to those, who may be willing to hear, about the hypocrisy of the religion that falsely professes to be the servants of Yeshua.
[Oh, by they way, I did enjoy the unchrist-like sarcasm of that last sentence of yours! Thanks!] |
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Soooooo....
Let me get this straight, some dude thousands of years ago took a bite of an apple and now EVERYONE is responsible to the extent that we're all born with orignal sin?
Hmmmmm
Then, some other dude, going through a one-way birth canal(apparently since this mary chick was supposed to be a virgin)who is the illegitimate son of god by the way, comes along and allows himself to be tortured and dies because of OUR sins.
Again...hmmmmmm
sounds like religion set up everyone to NOT be responsible for their own actions and leaves the punishment to those who had little or NOTHING to do with it.
That's just Schwell! |
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"This 'turn the other cheek' business is all well and good but it's not what Jesus fought and died for. What we need to do is take the battle to the Muslim heathens and do unto them before they do unto us."
"But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also." - Matthew 5:39
"Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets." - Matthew 7:12
Jerry is preaching the exact opposite of that of Yeshua. If you don't see Jerry's words as antithetical to that of Yeshua, then you don't know Yeshua either. |
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I never meant to judge you; I only meant to show you how it appears to me. Also, I teach no one about a religion or faith that I do not believe in; there would be no point, so I see no point in you quoting scripture (out of context I might add). Falwell in my opinion served himself, who his spiritual master was, only he knows.
But hey, you apparently seem more intellectual, and better guided than all of us, which leads me to wonder why you would waste your time confronting people who are so beneath you.
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"Yeah I know his ethnic heritage. It's just a translation."
The English translation of Yeshua would be Joshua, not "Jesus." But "Jesus" is a relic of European Christianity's Anti-Semitism.
"There are many names for God, none of which are sufficient in describing his grandeur so why fuss over a word that is just as insufficient as any other word you choose?"
Respect.
"Once again you really need to stop comparing Jerry to Jesus. THEY ARE NOT THE SAME."
Exactly. Yeshua taught love:
"But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you." - Matthew 5:44
Jerry spewed hate:
"I really believe that the pagans, and the abortionists, and the feminists, and the gays and the lesbians who are actively trying to make that an alternative lifestyle, the ACLU, People for the American Way—all of them who have tried to secularize America—I point the finger in their face and say 'you helped this [911] happen.'"
"I'm pretty sure your semantics are more deceiving than Jerry Falwell has ever been. How is someone supposed to hear the gospel of Christ when you won't quit worrying about things that have no affect on their worship?"
Jerry said, "This 'turn the other cheek' business is all well and good but it's not what Jesus fought and died for. What we need to do is take the battle to the Muslim heathens and do unto them before they do unto us."
"But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also." - Matthew 5:39
And isn't Yeshua dying on the cross the ultimate act of turning the other turning the other cheek? And on the cross, did he not ask forgiveness for those that crucified him?
"Then said Jesus, 'Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do.' And they parted his raiment, and cast lots." - Luke 23:34
Jerry was certainly not a believer in the teachings of Yeshua, as Jesus asked forgiveness even for those who were unrepentant. |
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"The evil that men do lives after them;
The good is oft interred with their bones:
So let it be with Caesar."
You took Shakespeare out of context.
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Yeah I know his ethnic heritage. It's just a translation. We're referring to the same person so I don't really see the relevance. There are many names for God, none of which are sufficient in describing his grandeur so why fuss over a word that is just as insufficient as any other word you choose?
Once again you really need to stop comparing Jerry to Jesus. THEY ARE NOT THE SAME. And who says he laid his treasure on earth? I thought we were talking about how he warned people of their sin.
As for your quotation of Matthew 24:24, I'm pretty sure that he never claimed to be a prophet, or a Christ, and besides being faithful to God's calling he didn't exactly turn water into wine.
I'm pretty sure your semantics are more deceiving than Jerry Falwell has ever been. How is someone supposed to hear the gospel of Christ when you won't quit worrying about things that have no affect on their worship? |
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Include also that Falwell said the purple Teletubby was gay---CNN reminded us of that tonight.
"The evil that men do lives after them,"...says Shakespeare. Falwell was a divisive rabble-rouser. I hope he won't be Reaganified now that he's dead. |
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"I also don't understand why you make a huge deal of the naming of Jesus (Yeshua). If me and the rest of the evangelical church are missing something then please let me know."
Yeshua was his name, and a Jewish name. Your "Savior" was a Jew.
"Jesus" is a latin transliteration of from the Greek Iesous.
Yeshua was neither Greek or Roman. If you don't even know his name, how can you claim to know his message?
"However, you seem to forget that Jerry Falwell was a pastor of a church."
So that give him a right to lay his treasures here on Earth? Isn't Yeshua the ultimate pastor? Did he create a Mega-Church from which to preach?
"For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if [it were] possible, they shall deceive the very elect." - Matthew 24:24 |
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I appreciate your biblical responses and corrections. However, you seem to forget that Jerry Falwell was a pastor of a church. I personally was in the audience on many occasions when Jerry scolded us as Christians for setting sinful examples. Thats what I can only assume that you never heard him preach. Just because most only see the political side of Jerry that was most lived 15-20 years ago doesn't mean that he didn't do the same things to his own congregation. God gave Jerry Falwell a platform to proclaim His name and call for biblical morality and he did just that.
On the subject of trying to compare Jerry Falwell and Jesus...give me a break
I also don't understand why you make a huge deal of the naming of Jesus (Yeshua). If me and the rest of the evangelical church are missing something then please let me know.
If you want to parallel, how about paralleling with the prophets of the old testament. Jerry was definitely not a prophet, but his warnings were pretty similar to those warning about the fall of Judah. Repent or be destroyed kind of thing. They didn't listen and look what happened. |
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"The most important part is that they call him their lord and savior."
Him who? The mythical "Jesus" that never existed? Or Yeshua ben Yosef?
"Self righteousness as it appears in you is very dangerous, I would be careful if I where you."
That sounds like a veiled threat to me.
As for judging me to be self righteous, "Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull the mote out of thine eye; and behold, a beam is in thine own eye? Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast the mote out of thy brother's eye." - Matthew 7:1-5
Since I'm not one of the "Faithful," it ain't hypocritical for me to judge my fellow man, I have a right to my opinion according to the Constitution, but it is hypocritical for all of you that profess your faith in the mythical "Jaysus," according to the Bible.
Yes, Christians also have the right to judge others under the Constitution, but not under the "Word of God."
"No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon." - Matthew 6:24
So if you are a truly faithful, the rule of "God" trumps the Rule of Law.
"Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal: But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal: For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also." - Matthew 6:19-21
Isn't it sad when a non-believer needs to preach to the "Faithful" what their religion means?
But if you don't get it, just compare the lives led by the Biblical Yeshua, and that of the recently departed Falwell.
Yeshua served his "God."
Falwell served Mammon. |
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Anytime a man blames the worlds problem on one sect or one division of people it makes them a hypocrite. We are all to blame for the state of this planet, all humans have fallen from grace, Jerry seemed intent on blaming everyone but the conservative Christians.
This seems like the legacy he wanted to leave, don't deny him of that. |
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I don't know why you celebrate his death, even if you think this guy was the worst evil out there, more will follow in his footsteps. I have a feeling there will be many who celebrate your death too. Just keep in mind, your works on earth determine your gifts in heaven. |
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"Falwell told the story of Hezekiah, who in the Bible asked to live for 15 more years. "I'm praying the same prayer with an option to renew," Falwell said."
Prayer rejected!!! Haaa haaaa!!!!!!!!! |
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I can kind of see how people get such a skewed view of Jerry from his political comments and misinterpreted jokes, but He really was an amazing man of faith. Just because a man stood up against people that flaunt sin doesn't mean that he hated those people. Really its quite the opposite. He was loving those people in a way that they didn't understand by trying to help them realize their sin's and in the wisdom that only God can supply, correct them. After all the bible does say that the world will hate us when they hear our message, but we are to preach it all the same.
I'm not by any means trying to say that Jerry didn't have his sin's. He is a self proclaimed sinner. He was as much a human as the rest of us, but he had more faith than most people I've met.
I'm sorry for those of you that did not have the privilege of meeting Jerry, he had a way about him that makes me question how anyone can meet him or be around him and not like him. He had a sense of humor that could lighten any situation.
I'm tired of hearing people bash Jerry for what they saw of him. You obviously didn't see very much of him because every since I have known him, he has loved everyone he has come in contact with through the love of Christ. He continued doing this through Liberty University and Thomas Road Baptist Church up until his death bed.
Thanks for the memories Jerry and have a good time up there. |
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You have it all wrong, and sadly so. Spend all the time you want for criticizing the people who call their lord and savior Jesus. The most important part is that they call him their lord and savior. Self righteousness as it appears in you is very dangerous, I would be careful if I where you. |
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This man was no credit to Christianity; this man defied everything that Jesus taught.
Jesus said, (Matthew 5:43-48) "You have heard that it was said, 'Love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ But I tell you: Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, that you may be sons of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that? And if you greet only your brothers, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that? Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.
Most of what Falwell did was in complete contradiction to the Gospels of Jesus. Falwell constantly and self righteously criticized everyone he deemed to be a “sinner”. Now for any of you who are Christian and celebrate this man for his Christianity, remember, the people that Jerry Falwell turned away and admonished are the very people that followed Jesus while he was here.
However, even though Falwell was a walking talking contradiction, and therefore could be considered an enemy of true Christianity, Jesus came to save ALL not just the righteous or unrighteous, but EVERYBODY…….
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"The Sanhedrin themselves were the blasphemers, for they denied Christ's divinity despite all the prophesies of His coming and despite all the miracles."
Not according to their belief in YHWH.
"By the way, why do you say 'Jaysus'?"
1.) "Jesus" isn't the name that Yeshua ben Yosef, went by when he lived on the Planet Earth.
2.) It always sounds like "Jaysus" when I hear some televangelist say it.
3.) That's also the way my evangelical grandfather said it.
So, by my way of thinking, if the followers of Yeshua can't call him by the name he was born with, and most don't even know his real name, then why should I call him by some name that ain't his. I personally call him Yeshua, but on the internets, most Christians wouldn't know who the hell I'm talking about, so I parody the way I hear many of the "Faithful" call him, in order to for them to know who I'm talking about, and to make fun of them not knowing their "God" personally, though most aren't bright enough to understand the latter part.
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"Blasphemy is free speech?"
My man, you are taking this all wrong. This is a great opportunity for sensible people to witness what the left is truly all about. The so-called independents never see this side of the left. These libs hate like no one else. They are the least tolerant. And, they are completely close-minded. I wish they would reveal themselves like this more often in the MSM, in the work place and out in public. The more they speak, the less likely people will go along with their wacky agendas. You never hear a Democrat like Hillary or Edwards tell you up front what they are all about. They are scare that people might actually find out.
So, let them speak their mind. The Democrats are the party of love and compassion? I don’t think so, and the public should be made aware of the truth.
Check out Thomas Sowell's article on Townhall today. He is making my point much better than I.
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Blasphemy is a victimless crime. |
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What awesome news!!!! Woo hooo!!!!!
One less brainwashed Christian on the planet.
Oh, happy day!!!!!!!"
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Isn't that why the Sanhedrin wanted "Jaysus" terminated with extreme prejudice?
And would you think that the so-called conservatives that blaspheme against Islam should be held accountable under the law? |
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the moonbat asylum known as Ko$ and reading their hate-filled posts on Falwell when an odd thought occurred to me: These are the very same people who were defending/commiserating the life of Cho (VT shooter) just over a month ago. On the one hand you've got a preacher who's never (to my knowledge) physically harmed a soul, on the other you've got a homicidal maniac who slaughtered 32 innocents. And the Ko$ kids have more sympathy for the murderer.
Talk about having some bass-ackward priorities *shakes head in disgust* What the heck is wrong with these folks? |
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"Can Eric (see above) and Carbondu be purged from the site?"
The best you can do is to flag their posts as offensive and hope that the moderators remove them from the thread. |
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"Can Eric (see above) and Carbondu be purged from the site?"
No, unfortunately, Townhall is free speech for everyone. There's lots of talk lately about "hate radio". Hate radio is pale in comparison to this celebration of the death of a man. I have never seen anything like this. When I told a friend that I just heard Falwell died, hoping to gen up some conversation, all he said was "Good". Although he is a very liberal guy, we ocassionally have lunch together and we get along fine. But after the "Good" response, I have lost all respect for the guy. |
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Christians, like slaves and soldiers, ask no questions. - Jerry Falwell
This quote captures why he was so loved by many, and so detested by others. Nothing will change with his death. My condolences to his family. |
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"Man of faith? PLEASE!"
I am not referring to Falwell in particular. He and the likes of Jim Swaggart, Jim Baker and Pat Robertson are the furthest from being my favorite people. But, they are not the devil either. It's just so happens that we are discussing him because all the homosexuals are dancing on his grave before the body even has a chance to cool off.
Step away from the celeration for a second. I am talking in general terms from an unbiased point of view as an atheist. Homosexuals, the group that has the most hate toward this man, only sees only one issue as important to them. Nothing else matters. In that sense, they are completely close-minded. I say there is good in eveyone, even the ones we disagree with. That's why I said earlier I won't be dancing Bill Clinton's grave if he dies tomorrow. You get respect only if you show respect. Otherwise, you are no better than the person whose death you are celebrating. |
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"It's the losers who are duped into his bull that are the real problem."
LOL. Swear to God I'm not mocking you, but I said that exact same thing about Marx (or was it Lenin?) on a different blog just last night. |
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Like weeds, you pull one out and five more sprout in it's place. Like any con-artist, you can only blame Falwell so much for his abuse of power. It's the losers who are duped into his bull that are the real problem. |
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"I’d be willing to bet 99% of the posters on this article are homosexuals."
How much?
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First off: What are you, like 14 or something? Your posts are embarrassingly childish in composition AND in content (if you can really call it that with a straight face).
Now then, to your posts: I don't take money from anyone (unlike you government-teet-suckling socialists), I make my own. That makes me both a good capitalist and a conservative.
I do, however, agree with you about those two exploitationist race-pimps. |
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INCLUDING SHARPTON AND JACKSON SHOULD TAKE MONEY FROM THE POOR TO ENRICH THEMSELVES! |
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WOULD TAKE MONEY FROM THE POOR TOO! SOUL-LESS? OR JUST A GOOD CAPITALIST? |
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REAL glad he's dead so he can do no further harm to Christianity.
Here's why.....
1. Took millions from the Moonies to save himself from bankruptcy:
a. http://www.turkishpress.com/news.asp?id=176260
2. Words of wisdom after 9/11: “I really believe that the pagans, and the abortionists, and the feminists, and the gays and the lesbians who are actively trying to make that an alternative lifestyle, the ACLU, People For the American Way, all of them who have tried to secularize America. I point the finger in their face and say 'you helped this happen.'"
a. http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/viewArticle.asp?articleID=27250
2. Praised racial segregation (( http://www.physicsdaily.com/physics/Jerry_Falwell)) saying it was a 'bulwark for Christian civilization" before calling Nelson Mandela a communist ((http://www.libchrist.com/other/homosexual/lettertofallwell.html))
3. Lied, deceived and tricked the Bakkers ((http://www.americanpresbyterianchurch.org/falwell.htm))
4. Even his title “Dr.” is suspect. It’s just an honorary degree, not a personal academic achievement. ((http://www.geocities.com/paulntobin/tvevangelist.html))
For more examples of Jerry’s outstanding Christianity, here’s a great site: http://freedom_press.tripod.com/one.html
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"JUST LIKE PULLING OUT THE CLINTON CARD... BRING UP JACKSON AND SHARPTON"
It's a legit counterpoint whenever y'all bring up Falwell, Robertson or any of the other so-called conservative televangelists. |
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No F'n DUH, whiz kid! That's what televangelists do. |
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".....You may be interested to know that former New Jersey governor James McGreevey is enrolling in the seminary to become a Catholic priest. Do you hate him also? After all, he will be reporting to the Pope.....
I don't know, is McGreevy preaching hate? If he is, I will hate him as well.
While many terrible things are being said about Falwell remember,
"As ye sow, so shall ye reap" |
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NO FALWELL NEVER EVER ASKED FOR MONEY FROM THE POOR DID HE? JUST LIKE PULLING OUT THE CLINTON CARD... BRING UP JACKSON AND SHARPTON. |
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regardless of how often I rolled my eyes at his statements, my sincere condolences go out to Rev. Falwell's family for their loss. |
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"Ding Dong the witch is dead!!
Still to go:
Robert Jay Mathews
Fred Phelps
The Pope"
I’d be willing to bet 99% of the posters on this article are homosexuals. You may be interested to know that former New Jersey governor James McGreevey is enrolling in the seminary to become a Catholic priest. Do you hate him also? After all, he will be reporting to the Pope. Since 75% of Americans say they are Christians, you’ve got alot of hating to do.
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"HOW MANY POOR PEOPLE DID HE RIP OFF TO LIVE LIKE A KING?!!?!?"
Why are you bringing up Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson? |
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In his life he created a ministry that provided continuing aid to the poor and destitute, regardless of race or religion. He valued the lives of the unborn.
His organization fed the hungry and clothed the needy, and it didn't demand anything from the government in doing so. He started a Christian-based university, and provided scholarships for those who couldn't afford the education. He wasn't a race-baiting, race-hustling profiteer who flew around in private planes nor was he driven to photo ops in limos. The man drove himself to his real job in a pickup truck.
Reverend Falwall has done many good deeds, he has taken the heat for his beliefs and that, without rancor. He walked his talk thus earning the title of "Reverend".
I'm not of the same religion as Reverend Falwell, thus, some of his beliefs differ from mine. Aside from that, he sure has made some startling statements, but even his most outrageous comments paled in comparison to those of the liberal left (in regard to just about anything).
I think the biggest reason that he was hated so much by the left was because he was an active, grateful, conservative Christian, and thus a living example that completely negated the philosophy of those who believe in "government, from whom all blessings flow". His organization benefitted many thousands without a dime of government aid. That's quite a testament to his life of "good works".
Rest in peace, Reverend Falwell. |
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DID HE RIP OFF TO LIVE LIKE A KING?!!?!? |
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"Where ever he and others like him went people were condemned to hell for merely disagreeing his narrow ideas about God."
Odd it seems several narrow minded people have condemned him to hell for having a different view of gays.
I should probably add a disclaimer for the KKKos kids out there: I did not support all that Falwell did or said, but he was a decent human being who deserves the respect of waiting at least until he is burried before people resume their criticism of him. |
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... and the rest of his conartist televangelists?
Mat 23:1
THEN Jesus spoke to the multitudes and to His disciples,
Mat 23:2
saying: "The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat.
Mat 23:3
"Therefore whatever they tell you to observe,[fn1] that observe and do, but do not do according to their works; for they say, and do not do.
Mat 23:4
"For they bind heavy burdens, hard to bear, and lay them on men's shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers.
Mat 23:5
"But all their works they do to be seen by men. They make their phylacteries broad and enlarge the borders of their garments.
Mat 23:6
"They love the best places at feasts, the best seats in the synagogues,
Mat 23:7
"greetings in the marketplaces, and to be called by men, 'Rabbi, Rabbi.'
Mat 23:8
"But you, do not be called 'Rabbi'; for One is your Teacher, the Christ,[fn2] and you are all brethren.
Mat 23:9
"Do not call anyone on earth your father; for One is your Father, He who is in heaven.
Mat 23:10
"And do not be called teachers; for One is your Teacher, the Christ.
Mat 23:11
"But he who is greatest among you shall be your servant.
Mat 23:12
"And whoever exalts himself will be humbled, and he who humbles himself will be exalted.
Mat 23:13
"But woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you shut up the kingdom of heaven against men; for you neither go in yourselves, nor do you allow those who are entering to go in.
Mat 23:14
"Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you devour widows' houses, and for a pretense make long prayers. Therefore you will receive greater condemnation.
Mat 23:15
"Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you travel land and sea to win one proselyte, and when he is won, you make him twice as much a son of hell as yourselves.
Mat 23:16
"Woe to you, blind guides, who say, 'Whoever swears by the temple, it is nothing; but whoever swears by the gold of the temple, he is obliged to perform it.'
Mat 23:17
"Fools and blind! For which is greater, the gold or the temple that sanctifies[fn3] the gold?
Mat 23:18
"And, 'Whoever swears by the altar, it is nothing; but whoever swears by the gift that is on it, he is obliged to perform it.'
Mat 23:19
"Fools and blind! For which is greater, the gift or the altar that sanctifies the gift?
Mat 23:20
"Therefore he who swears by the altar, swears by it and by all things on it.
Mat 23:21
"He who swears by the temple, swears by it and by Him who dwells[fn4] in it.
Mat 23:22
"And he who swears by heaven, swears by the throne of God and by Him who sits on it.
Mat 23:23
"Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have neglected the weightier matters of the law: justice and mercy and faith. These you ought to have done, without leaving the others undone.
Mat 23:24
"Blind guides, who strain out a gnat and swallow a camel!
Mat 23:25
"Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you cleanse the outside of the cup and dish, but inside they are full of extortion and self-indulgence.[fn5]
Mat 23:26
"Blind Pharisee, first cleanse the inside of the cup and dish, that the outside of them may be clean also.
Mat 23:27
"Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you are like whitewashed tombs which indeed appear beautiful outwardly, but inside are full of dead men's bones and all uncleanness.
Mat 23:28
"Even so you also outwardly appear righteous to men, but inside you are full of hypocrisy and lawlessness.
Mat 23:29
"Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! Because you build the tombs of the prophets and adorn the monuments of the righteous,
Mat 23:30
"and say, 'If we had lived in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets.'
Mat 23:31
"Therefore you are witnesses against yourselves that you are sons of those who murdered the prophets.
Mat 23:32
"Fill up, then, the measure of your fathers' guilt.
Mat 23:33
"Serpents, brood of vipers! How can you escape the condemnation of hell?
Mat 23:34
"Therefore, indeed, I send you prophets, wise men, and scribes: some of them you will kill and crucify, and some of them you will scourge in your synagogues and persecute from city to city,
Mat 23:35
"that on you may come all the righteous blood shed on the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah, son of Berechiah, whom you murdered between the temple and the altar.
Mat 23:36
"Assuredly, I say to you, all these things will come upon this generation.
Mat 23:37
"O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the one who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were not willing!
Mat 23:38
"See! Your house is left to you desolate;
Mat 23:39
"for I say to you, you shall see Me no more till you say, 'Blessed is He who comes in the name of the LORD!'" |
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There are those people around the country who are heart broken at Jerry Falwell's death. I am not one of them. He was to me the personification of closed minded hypocrites every where. Where ever he and others like him went people were condemned to hell for merely disagreeing his narrow ideas about God. I will though pray that God will grant him the forgiveness and mercy he denied others. |
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I had the same thought. What would they be saying if Castro, a man who was personally responsible for thousands of deaths, were to die? What about when Zarquai was killed, did they rejoice? No. They lament the deaths of the evil and celebrate the deaths of the good. |
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He loved his God; he loved his family; he loved his church; he loved his country... in that order. The man had his life and priorities straight. The people who accused him of hate were the very people to whom he demonstrated the greatest love.
He BELIEVED he was helping homosexuals by exposing their decadent, dangerous lifestyle that violated the purpose for which they were CREATED and he sincerely wanted to see them turn from sin and be reconciled to Christ.
He was imprudent with his words after 9/11 and he sincerely apologized. But those of us who knew him, knew he was trying to sound a clarion call to his country to repent and seek the God of our Fathers in the wake of the worst attack in our country's history.
He was a polarizing figure on the political landscape and was often grossly misunderstood because of some of his shoot-from-the-hip confrontational style. He now stands before the One Who TRULY understands him, because He created him.
I'm convinced Jerry Falwell heard the words, "Well done, good and faithful servant! Enter into the joys of thy LORD!" And, thanks to Dr. Falwell, I (and many others) will also have the privilege of joining him and hearing those same precious words.
Thank you, Dr. Falwell. May your memory and your family be blessed. |
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If only the lefties were as happy when Islamic Jihadists are killed as they are when Dr. Jerry Falwell dies, we might actually win the war against Islamic Jihad ! |
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You said: “It's not nice to speak ill of the dead….They said Falwell has a history of heart challenges. Falwell had a heart?”
Do you have a heart, sir? Five minutes after his death, you and other liberals began rejoicing. We always hear from liberals like you that conservatives are the hateful ones. We know better now.
As a person who has never been taught or have the urge to get into religion, I am often amazed with the left’s deep hatred for people of faith. What one believes has no bearing on my life. Right after I found out about Falwell’s death, I broke the news to numerous co-workers at the office. When I mentioned it to the known liberals, the response from all of them was one word, “Good.”
I said to myself, if a liberal icon, say Bill Clinton had died and a liberal broke the news to me, I would never say “Good”, regardless of how much I despise the man. It is just plain human decency.
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I agree that the Left should not be gloating over Falwell's death despite the damage his ideas and statements caused during his life. But I would also urge the Right to remember that this sort of thing is a human weakness---especially when responding to people (living or dead) who have made careers out of taking hateful positions toward their fellow human beings. The names Coulter, Limbaugh, O'Reilly, and Robertson come readily to mind. |
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Only God truly knows the heart. If JF was sincerely a follower of Christ as he appeared to be, he is with Him now. The people who hated JF don't get to decide such matters. Their hate of him shows just how effective he was at making a difference. I didn't always agree with him or think that he did the best job representing the Religious Right, but at least he stood up to the radicals who pushed to tear down things like marriage and morality. |
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hating groups of people (gays, muslims, evangelicals, etc.) is what I find repulsive. It's perfectly acceptable to hate and judge individuals based on their actions. |
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The hate and judgment cast on him by those who claim to despise those things. Disagreement turned into viscious hatred. But then, that's the left today. |
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I certainly didn't agree with him on everything, but this man was definitely a credit to Christianity and conservatism. He was a strong moral leader unafraid to say harsh things that he believed were God's truth. This truth is very often repulsive to the world but nonetheless necessary to stand for. If nothing else, this guy was a brave soul who was willing to take a stand and defend the things he cared about.
I'm going to have to stay far away from liberal locales today so that I don't vomit at the sheer inhumanity of how I'm sure they will react. The hatred over there is incredible... but perhaps in a way, a tribute to the effect Falwell had on the godless. |
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and comfort his family as well.
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I'll bet he's a lot warmer than he thought he'd be at this time. A life devoted to hate meets a harsh judgement when it ends. |
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didn't agree much with falwell or particularly like him but my prayers go out to his family and his congregation. |
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That lack of class seems to be very prevalent among the left these days. |
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