Monday, June 23, 2008
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Some "Veep" Advice for McCain ...
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Posted by:
Matt Lewis at
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Everyone is talking about the "veep" question, so I thought I'd add my two cents to the debate. Here are a few thoughts (by no means, an exhaustive compendium) for John McCain to consider ...
1. Make Obama pick first. The Democratic convention (August 25-28) is before the GOP convention (September 1-4), so why not make Obama go first? Surely, Obama's pick could impact your decision, after all. For example, if Obama does not pick a lady, you might decide to do so. This would potentially help undermine Obama's "change" rationale. On the other hand, if Obama does pick a woman, your team might seek to capitalize on the idea that this would be "too much change" at once ...
2. Float the trial balloon. Whatever you do, don't "surprise" us with a running mate pick. That's how we got Dan Quayle, for crying out loud. (And I would argue that Quayle might well have still been picked had the media been given a "heads-up" that he was being considered.) Leak the idea to the press first, and see how it flies. Heck, why not tell me, first???
3. Roll out a team. Nothing says you must pick just one "running mate" Why not roll out a team of advisers? This worked well for Bush -- when Bush was working well. Colin Powell might not have been his "veep" pick, but by promising to name him to the cabinet, Powell became a factor in the campaign.
4. Keep teasing us. It's summer. There's not much to write about. That little barbecue the other week was brilliant. Keep it up. Oh yeah, why not invite a few bloggers next time???
5. Forget paybacks. Charlie Crist was vitally important in helping you win Florida. That's great. Make him Ambassador to something. But whatever you do, don't decide to start doling out patronage before you win. Your running mate (and team) needs to be new and interesting. They should reflect your maverick, daresay "cool" image. Don't pick someone to be your running mate based on loyalty. Think future, not history ...
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It's obvious - Romney is the concensus VP choice. He is also the choice of economic AND social conservtives. He's winning all the polls, and everyone and their dog is telling McCain to choose him, or predicting it. He's the only choice that will make conservatves happy. You want to talk about morning in America? Just wait for the reaction when McCain announces Romney!
Give it up, Romney is the guy and you should get over it already. Might as well, because 2012 is closer than you think and poor old Huck shot his wad. Too bad there are no miracles coming his way, now or ever! Ha, ha. |
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JoeB131 writes: 'Probably neither Huck nor Romney If I were giving McCain advice, I'd tell him to pick neither Huck nor Romney.'
ME: I think that is probably what a number of "strategists" are saying. Go with a non_controversial pick, like Portman.
JoeB131 writes: 'As I have observed, the real problem is that the fragile alliance of economic and religious conservatives is fracturing...
These fractures have manifested themselves in Huck rising as the Religious champion, while Romney rose as the Wall Street Champion...'
ME: I suspect that Romney's flipflopping on the social issues was actually a plus with the Wall Street crowd. They, most likely, believed Romney was merely trying to pacify the religious conservatives so that they would do their voting duty --but, who would have little influence in the Romney administration.
JoeB131 writes: 'But neither was viable to the other groups followers. Hence, McCain became the concensus candidate.'
ME: Yeah, consensus candidate in more ways than one. He picked up Giuliani Republicans, as well. No doubt they determined that McCain was the most predictable for moderate Republicans in terms of not pandering, very much.
Moreover, McCain was perceived as the most experienced and credible on National Security (since Duncan Hunter wasn't really viable).
So, if one believes that most of the people in this country who place a high priority on supporting military are Republicans, and one believes strongly that this country shouldn't withdraw from Iraq and an active military engagement with Islamic terrorists, one might easily come to the conclusion that McCain was the best choice.
JoeB131 writes: 'Picking either one of them after the comprimise will simply set up the fissures all over again...'
ME: Possibly. The other question, though, is can McCain pick someone who will help in some tangible sense, or should he resign to picking a non_controversial warm body? |
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Yes, it is the economy. And I could imagine the commercial if Romney were the nominee...
"In 1992, Mitt Romney's company acquired AmPad in Marion, Indiana. The broke up the union and closed the plant, eliminating 200 jobs."
(scene cuts to a shuttered plant with a lock on the gate)
"While the company went into bankruptcy, Bain capital pocketed millions in consulting fees. Then they eliminated another plant in Buffolo, NY"
(scene cuts to Joe Sixpack in work shirt, sitting in living room with sad looking family.)
"Mitt Romney just didn't take our jobs, he took our Hope."
"Hope. Change. Vote Obama/Webb."
"I'm Barack Obama, and I approved this message!" |
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Every week or 2 the MSM comes out with a new poll showing Obama beating a McCain/Romney ticket. They don't even ask folks about a McCain/anybody else ticket.
They are still afraid of Romney. |
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It's the economy. Job loses, fuel prices, housing prices. McCain just got religion on drilling off our coasts. On guy has a grasp on it. One guy 'gets it'. Romney. MSNBC poll has romney with a commanding lead over Pawlenty. Huck got left behind a few weeks ago. (trounced in the poll by Romney). All stars are aliging for Romney. Economy. Food prices. Fuel over 4 bucks a gallon. McCain will be well served to have a guy on board he can go to, to get educatued. I'm already hearing McCain using Romneyspeak when referencing the economy. Anyone else notice how the democrates are scrambling to find a running mate for Obama, that can even measure up to Romney's bellybutton? I have. they wanted Huck or Rudy. |
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Allow me to actually try to put this in perspective.
If I were giving McCain advice, I'd tell him to pick neither Huck nor Romney.
As I have observed, the real problem is that the fragile alliance of economic and religious conservatives is fracturing. This is largely because the former group has always considered the latter to be "religious crazies", while the latter has concluded that downsizing their jobs to make Wall Street richer is a bigger threat to them than whether two dudes get married.
These fractures have manifested themselves in Huck rising as the Religious champion, while Romney rose as the Wall Street Champion, and they prospered while better known figures like Guiliani and Thompson faltered. But neither was viable to the other groups followers. Hence, McCain became the concensus candidate.
Picking either one of them after the comprimise will simply set up the fissures all over again, and the winners will be Bob Barr and ultimately, Barack Obama. |
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Did the guy who just denounced name-calling engage in name-calling, again?
Maybe instead of complaining about the cage, you need to stop dwelling in it, princess. |
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I did not say it was a bad thing to lose weight - regardless of how it was done. Start reading, and not assuming. I did say getting the facelift and new teeth might be a little 'vain'. But heck, it's huck right? You know the guy. Walk on water...heal the sick...change water to rootbeer.
Me: You are quite correct, I didn't catch your comment before I made mine. (See, I can be gracious.)
QM7: Congratulations on your lapband. I've heard they work and are far more effective than the original bypass. Section 89
Me: They have drawbacks, such as they have to be adjusted (usually involving a big needle) and it takes you longer to lose the weight (3 years compared to 18 months with the bypass) However, they are safer, and you aren't as restricted as to what you can eat because you still have all of your digestive system.
Still, I would recommend the surgery to anyone who wants to have it done. |
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The Jorangutan is also picking his nose over here. It was entertaining for a bit but now I've had all the fun I can have poking that goofball.
I may be back when I need a few more laughs. |
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I did not say it was a bad thing to lose weight - regardless of how it was done. Start reading, and not assuming. I did say getting the facelift and new teeth might be a little 'vain'. But heck, it's huck right? You know the guy. Walk on water...heal the sick...change water to rootbeer.
Congratulations on your lapband. I've heard they work and are far more effective than the original bypass. Section 89. |
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Qweenmum seriously?
I haven't seen him. But I do know that there is plenty of evidence that he had gastric bypass surgery, rather than natural weight loss so I wouldn't be surpised. Ha, ha.
Me: Wow, the level of Huck hate knows no bounds. My sister had gastric bypass, and it saved her life. I've personally had a lap-band surgery, which has greatly improved my health. (Waiting for QM to say something personally hateful, because she can't help herself.)
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I don't think he's ever admitted the bypass, in fact he denies it and wrote a book about how he lost the weight naturally. I don't fault him for doing it, just the lying about it. |
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I think he admits to the bypass. It could have saved his life, and I think him losing all that weight - regardless of how he did it, is a good thing for his health alone. We have the word of wisdom, and it bothers me to see so many 'heavy' people in the church, when section 89 is very clear on how we should live, health wise. More power to Huck for the weight thing. He's kept it off, too. But check out the fox news. Facelift (well rested?!) and whiter, brighter and straighter teeth. Made for TV. But losing the weight is a good thing. Just for his health alone. |
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I haven't seen him. But I do know that there is plenty of evidence that he had gastric bypass surgery, rather than natural weight loss so I wouldn't be surpised. Ha, ha.
Hey, if he got his teeth fixed, more power to him. But a facelift? Give me a break - what a man. |
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First, Romney is a hit with conservatives. He won CPAC the last 2 years and was asked by leaders there to be the NEW CONSERVATIVE MOVEMENT LEADER. He won more votes from actual republicans and conservatives in the early primaries than anyone else. Talk radio was 100% on board with Romney. They speak for untold millions, certainly the great majority of conservatives.
Rich elitest? Most thoughtful people are not intimidated by his stature, but admire it and want to see more of it in leadership positions. They want someone who actually knows what he's doing rather than folks who have never held a real life job.
There is no legitimate reason to reject Romney over his religion. Only the bigot brigade believes that, and they are a tiny number.
Romney's record on life, marriage, guns and smaller government was by far the best of anyone running. Why else was he the favorite among conservatives? Duh.
And last, Romney indeed does know how most Americans live. Romney made a point to make sure his family life was down-to-earth. Romney had made many many millions before he moved his family into a larger home, and he still lives there today. He is know for his frugality. He has a history of helping people in need, changing tires, cutting trees, etc. You should not assume that because he is successful, he is an elitist.
Romney is the concensus VP choice. There are going to be a whole lot more folks disappointed if he doesn't choose Romney, than those who will be happy. There are about 6 of you on TH, and that's probably a pretty representative number. |
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WHo gave him he money for the facelife and new teeth. I'm impressed by the makeover, but it also provs that you can put lipstick on a pig, and you still have...a pig. |
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Bill O'Riely (no fan of Mitt's) just said McCain will pick Romney. He was right about McCain, will he go two for two? Hope so. |
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Actually, I can think of a few tickets weaker than McCain Romney
McCain/Lucifer
McCain/Toe Fungus
Okay, that's about it... |
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[K.G. on June 23, 2008 11:16 PM]"If you barely mention the word mitt (as in I bought a new baseball mitt)"
Two Mitts
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gQ0eiKIc5vA&feature=related
Romney windsurfing
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EgbQviUqndg
Romney lying in 2002, or lying now
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=43TVmSoaQ7c
Romney hit hard on MSNBC -Taxes, Flip-flops, & Social Issues
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8bSyAihn18
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he will be sailing upwind. Romney was rejected by two thirds of the GOP electorate. Romney is perceived by many as a rich elitist. Romney's religious beliefs give some reason to vote against him. Romney's record is suspect to serious pro-life, pro-traditional marriage, pro-Second Amendment rights, and pro-smaller government. If anything, Romney's primary experience is in running big corporations. He knows little about how average Americans live.
McCain-Romney is the weakest ticket available. |
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Does flagging do any good? Not that I can see, unfortunately. I know one thing, TH would never tolerate racist rants against any group the way they tolerate rants against Mormons.
Me: Obviously, you are willfully blind to some of the anti-Hispanic rants by some people on here, which are perfectly tolerated.
or some of the anti-Baptist rants I've seen.
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Every time I see Romney he's impressive. No one else even comes close. I don't see how McCain can justify choosing anyone else. Romney is 100% effective and 100% reliable. We don't have to worry about him threatening to shoot Obama or talk about his sex life during radio interviews like Pawlenty. Heh, heh.
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Does flagging do any good? Not that I can see, unfortunately. I know one thing, TH would never tolerate racist rants against any group the way they tolerate rants against Mormons. |
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did not see Romney, but I saw Huck and was very impressed!!! |
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Got Joeb and Synth now on Autoflag. It has not done much in the past, but if we keep it up, perhasp TH will ge the clue.
Anyone else see Romney talking energy sufficency on Fox? |
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[PC on June 25, 2008 11:28 AM]"They are only here to trash Mormons and to spread lies and distortions about LDS history and doctrine"
How many Gods are there?
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"there is no God beside me":
Moses 1
http://scriptures.lds.org/en/moses/1
6 And I have a work for thee, Moses, my son; and thou art in the similitude of mine Only Begotten; and mine Only Begotten is and shall be the Savior, for he is full of grace and truth; but there is no God beside me, and all things are present with me, for I know them all.
Moses 2
http://scriptures.lds.org/en/moses/2
3 And I, God....
4 And I, God.... And I, God....
5 And I, God....
6 And again, I, God....
7 And I, God....
8 And I, God....
9 And I, God.... and I, God....
10 And I, God.... and I, God....
11 And I, God....
12 .... and I, God....
14 And I, God....
16 And I, God....
17 And I, God....
18 .... and I, God....
20 And I, God....
21 And I, God.... and I, God....
22 And I, God....
24 And I, God....
25 And I, God.... and I, God....
26 And I, God, said unto mine Only Begotten, which was with me from the beginning....
And I, God, said....
27 And I, God....
28 And I, God....
29 And I, God....
31 And I, God, saw everything that I had made....
Alma 11
http://scriptures.lds.org/en/alma/11
26 And Zeezrom said unto him: Thou sayest there
is a true and living God?
27 And Amulek said: Yea, there is a true and living
God.
28 Now Zeezrom said: Is there more than one God?
29 And he answered, No.
30 Now Zeezrom said unto him again: How knowest
thou these things?
31 And he said: An angel hath made them known
unto me.
Romney might become a God
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.religion.mormon/msg/099e 1fceabcb4dc4
kids on thrones with intelligence of a God
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.religion.mormon/msg/7047 5b523e764678
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Sorry, PC, wrong again. I don't belong to any organization. Now, if someone WOULD pay me, that'd be swell... |
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It's more than apparent that these 2 are connected to one or more of the virulent anti-Mormon organizations out there. My guess is that they are long-time, and full-time Mormon bashers. The evidence is pretty clear.
They are only here to trash Mormons and to spread lies and distortions about LDS history and doctrine - espeically JoeB. They are best ignored.
Please don't feed these trolls anymore. They are an embarrassment to TH. Everyone knows it, and everyone knows they have zero credibility. They won't go away, but we'll be able to hear their gnashing teeth. |
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[Qweenmumof7 on June 25, 2008 10:21 AM]"have all the answers from everyone since time began"
It is indeed the case that time began:
1 Corinthians 2:7 (NIV): "that God destined for our glory before time began“
2 Timothy 1:9: "This grace was given us in Christ Jesus before the beginning of time“
Titus 1:2: "which God, who does not lie, promised before the beginning of time"
search for a loophole to the beginning of time in the hot big bang
http://groups.google.com/group/talk.origins/msg/443d6bc0b02 dd25e?dmode=source
Joseph Smith's claim that matter didn't begin to exist conflicts with the hot big bang model.
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This must be your full time 'job'. Can you enlight us on who your work for? You have too much selective information (never whole picture) to be just a hobby. What 'church' does daddy preach at?
I HAVE researched Romney. Find that he's the best of the best. He did not need a facelift and new teeth to go onto Fox. He's the REAL deal. Now, find another job. This one ain't working for ya. |
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[PC on June 23, 2008 10:23 PM]"I can't think of a social issue that Romney is liberal on"
Romney is OK with ENDA at the state level.
Romney for & anti- outlawing discrimination over sexual orientation
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=06bdb44e-7578-4dd6-833 c-8f0a00b1aa29%4025g2000hsu.googlegroups.com
Romney is OK with embryo-killing.
‘Meet the Press’ transcript for Dec. 16, 2007
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22273924
GOV. ROMNEY: ....I would allow, on a private basis, the use of surplus embryos, so-called surplus embryos from in vitro fertilization, and likewise the existing lines. So from a legal--and I faced that in Massachusetts. I, in the bill there, I said I would continue to allow the use of surplus embryos from IVF.
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MR. RUSSERT: But to be clear, the embryos that are so-called surplus in vitro clinics are destroyed...
GOV. ROMNEY: Yes.
MR. RUSSERT: ...for research, and you support that.
GOV. ROMNEY: The term support is perhaps not the exact word I'd choose.
MR. RUSSERT: You wouldn't outlaw it.
GOV. ROMNEY: I would, I would not outlaw it. I would allow, I would allow private laboratories and private institutions--as we currently do, and as the president does as well--to use these so-called surplus or embryos to be discarded.
Let me note as well, Tim, in that regard, that, that I think before we, we move too far down that road that we establish a provision for parents to have authority over their own embryos and to have adoption procedures so that they might be able to provide these embryos, as some call them, snowflake babies to allow them to be adopted by others and to be implanted and become human beings. That's the, that's the course I'd prefer. But I would not outlaw the use of these, of these surplus embryos if the parents so directed. And, at the same time, for federal dollars I would focus it on the, the alternative methods.
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We've been through this. You have all the answers from everyone since time began. go find it. Your drivil is annoying. Cant you think for yourself?
Meanwhile, I'd like to put out there that it SHOULD be Mitt as veep. He was on Neil Cavato's show yesterday talking about Energy Sufficiency, not 'independence'. He's talking about short term and long term solutions to our present problems. We can put a bandaide on our problmes, but we need to fix the problem under the bandaide. Romney has the background, the knowledge and the ability to get it done. He can be the best asset McCain will have. No one has been more vocal in getting McCain elected. If Romney is the veep nom, I would not expect Huckabee go campaing for them, as it would undermine his '12 plan. BUT, if he did, my opinion of him would rise considerably. |
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[Qweenmumof7 on June 25, 2008 9:31 AM]"I have hope that my wonderful husband and family will be with me forever"
There isn't married life in heaven:
Luke 20 (King James Version)
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke%2020;&vers ion=9;
27 Then came to him certain of the Sadducees, which deny that there is
any resurrection; and they asked him,
28 Saying, Master, Moses wrote unto us, If any man's brother die,
having a wife, and he die without children, that his brother should
take his wife, and raise up seed unto his brother.
29 There were therefore seven brethren: and the first took a wife,
and died without children.
30 And the second took her to wife, and he died childless.
31 And the third took her; and in like manner the seven also: and
they left no children, and died.
32 Last of all the woman died also.
33 Therefore in the resurrection whose wife of them is she? for seven
had her to wife.
34 And Jesus answering said unto them, The children of this world
marry, and are given in marriage:
35 But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world, and
the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in
marriage:
36 Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels;
and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection.
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JoeB131 writes: 'Actually, I would be shocked if McCain won.'
ME: It looks like a longshot.
JoeB131 writes: 'First, it is rare that the same party to get retained without an incumbant. Since 1952, power has switched every two elections with the exception of 1988.'
ME: True, but it is also true that America prefers not to elect U.S. Senators, generally. So, this is an unusual year. On historical trends alone, Mike Huckabee should be President of the United States.
Americans generally prefer Governors over Senators and they prefer Southerners and Westerners over Northerners and Midwesterners --in the post WWII period.
And, they prefer Republicans over Democrats, unless the Democrat is a Southerner, or has a Southern running mate.
Huckabee is the only candidate to fill all those bio preferences.
JoeB131 writes: 'You combine that with an unpopular war, $4.00 gas, rising unemployment, rising inflation, etc, and you have a recipe for defeat.'
ME: I agree with those who think that if McCain seizes the domestic drilling issue (for both national security and economic reasons) and backs Obama into a corner and pummels him over the head with it then McCain can win on that one issue alone (possibly). I don't see how Obama can break faith with the greenies.
On the other hand, America generally prefers the sunny candidate (don't underestimate "hope"). Only occasionally does the more grim candidate win. Nixon being one of the exceptions. |
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Yada yada yada. Mormons are evil. bla bla bla. I know mormons, and they are backstbbers...same stuff, different day. Can you flip the record? Your so tiring. I hope you flag me, as it appears to do no good. Your still here. |
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Yes, I'm perfectly aware of how missionary work is used by the LDS to put families in debt and further control them. That's what cults are about. Control.
So why do you always send your missionaries out in pairs. Seems like that's just another form of control. Heaven forbid they might actually discover something that contradicts dogma.
As much as you try to paint a bleak picture of Missionary life, it certainly doesn't compare to what John McCain went through in Vietnam, which was my original point. McCain served in Vietnam. Romney went to France. |
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You appear to be obsessed with people's sex lives, including a sacred being such as Heavenly Father. Get a life.
At least I have hope that my wonderful husband and family will be with me forever. You have none. |
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[Qweenmumof7 on June 25, 2008 1:02 AM]"Where did I come from?"
According to LDS thought? If so, is this the correct answer?:
You came from Father God having sex with Mother God to produce the spirit Qweenmumof7, which was later placed in a Qweenmumof7 human body on earth.
"Where am I going?"
According to LDS thought? If so, is this the correct answer?:
If your husband calls you out, you're going to his planet.
If your husband becomes an apostate, you're going to some other guy's planet to be one of his many wives.
If you don't get called out by your husband, you'll remain dead-- so you'd better not upset your husband in this life.
"Why am I here?"
To promote Romney.
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marriage in the afterlife?
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.religion.mormon/msg/e551 b51ece786550?hl=en
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Your he "expert" you answer your own dumb questions. How bout answering some of these?
Where did I come from?
Where am I going?
Why am I here?
I know the answers to these and more. Do you? |
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[wise woman on June 24, 2008 6:17 PM]"the missionary bravely going out each day to share the good news of the restoration of the Savior's gospel"
What made necessary this alleged "restoration"?
Do you think Ignatius of Antioch was an apostate?
St. Ignatius, Bishop of Antioch (c. A.D. 107), "Letter to the Romans"
7.3, cited in
http://www.bringyou.to/apologetics/a18.htm
I have no taste for corruptible food nor for the pleasures
of this life. I desire the Bread of God, which is the Flesh
of Jesus Christ, who was of the seed of David; and for
drink I desire his Blood, which is love incorruptible.
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is there a Mother God?
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.religion.mormon/msg/82dc fa2e3c8fd3d1?hl=en
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I can link too!
Someone tied to the huckles is going down - in flames~! Burn, baby, burn. IRS is after you!
http://www.earnedmedia.org/wdc0624.htm |
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[JoeB131 on June 24, 2008 9:09 AM]"Unfortunately, there are some who will keep trying to foist this loser on us, regardless of how much damage it does. They just don't get it, that if a candidate spends 100 million dollars and is beaten by someone who until recently, considered changing his party affiliation, that is a pretty resounding rejection. But they'll try to get him attached to McCain this year (ensuring defeat)"
Proverbs 14 (King James Version)
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Proverbs%2014;& version=9;
20 The poor is hated even of his own neighbour: but the rich hath many friends.
rent-a-conservative feeding frenzy on Romney $$$
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics.republicans/msg /662716ea96f5a746
Kirkpatrick, David D. 11 March 2007. "In Romney’s Bid, His Wallet Opens to the Right" _The New York Times_
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/03/11/us/politics/11romney.html ?_r=1&adxnnl=1&oref=slogin&adxnnlx=1198897685-V4op/WdPFhPK3 8TYd2kXyA&pagewanted=print
WASHINGTON, March 10 — In the months before announcing his bid for the Republican presidential nomination, former Gov. Mitt Romney of Massachusetts contributed tens of thousands of dollars of his personal fortune to several conservative groups in a position to influence his image on the right.
Morain, Dan. 1 January 2008. "Huckabee foes open their wallets for attack ads" _Los Angeles Times_
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-money1 jan01,1,5350192.story?coll=la-headlines-nation
Houston home-builder Bob J. Perry, for example, has donated $2,300 to Romney, the most he can give to the candidate in the primary. Two weeks ago, Perry gave $200,000 to the Club for Growth, allowing the group to jack up its television buy to pummel Huckabee on the airwaves.
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Temple weddings can be (and will be on our bugdet) low cost affairs! since we only do receptions, backyards, ward buildings or parks will work just fine! My own reception was a 'pot luck' affair put on by the Single Adult ward. After a morning at the Temple, it was the perfect reception for 2 older folks, getting married. I find it totally amazing that preachers charge for weddings, for the churches etc - even when one has been a member of that chruch most of their lives. Ours does not charge. I have a friend who got married in the Catholic church he had been a member of since he was an infant. The church and his priest, cost him over 700 dollars to 'rent'. Then there was the reception. This couple started their marriage paying out big bucks, to do exactly what I had done on a few hundred. (cake, decorations, dress, invitatons and flowers). |
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MaineConservative writes: 'I have concern that Romney as a running mate for that liberal could taint Romney for the future.'
ME: That is a reasonable concern. Romney, like a chameleon, tends to take on the charcateristics of his environment. After four or eight years with McCain we won't be able to tell the difference between the two. That is, UNTIL Mitt finds a "new" model to ape.
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I'm glad you read the Kite Runner. I know they've made a movie of it, but the book was so good and yes, 'sobering'. I wish more folks would read it. It's fiction, but it is based on some of what really did and does go on in countrie with no religious tolorance. |
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Appreciate you.
Suggest you give away (don't use) your adversarial replies directed to those on TH who get under your skin.
Earlier you posted about the incredible book, THE KITE RUNNER. What a sobering book!
I work from home so have time to read postings.
Lot's of misinformation about the LDS origins and beliefs. Not sure they can all be corrected in a day. Best to be a friend and earn trust when people don't understand us.
Glad you weren't mad at my pause suggestion. In the end we should not be mad at any one for very long as the commandment is to constantly forgive each other and to make amends where possible. (Easy to say, hard to do.)
I understand why you are working so hard as a consultant. Five missionaries in the field at once is a killer on the family budget! Then college and weddings.....$$$$$.
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breathing in, out, in, out! Thanks for the earth call! We are preparing 3 young men to go out, and 5 young woman. Since several of my children are knotted together, we could (if 2 daughters go out) have FIVE missionaries out at once! So, we are spnding the next few years, paying as if we have a missionary. 2 years for each kid. By then, we should have the money to send our children out to whatever they are called upon to do. My neice is presently in a 'third world' place, serving a humanitarian type mission. nothing fancy about where she is, right now. My newphew is on the other side of the globe, serving in another poverty stricken place. Both are loving every minute. It's hard. and it's hard on the moms. Joeb shows his true colors each time he posts here. He has so much hate in his heart, that he can't get over the fact that we are here. We vote. And were actually decent folks. |
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Thanks for all your energy and forthrightness in defending your faith (mine, too) and the honor of this nation. It's great to know of your service to both---and your incredible skills to love challenged children and make them your own.
JoeB is having his day in the sun. It's okay that he says things that are absolutely wrong in tone and in content about the founder of Mormonism and its doctrines.
His ideas about being it being a vacation for a young, 19 year old LDS missionary such as Mitt to go to a far away city or country, get up at 6:30am every morning for scripture study then tract on foot or using a bike until night, rain or shine, snow or hail, 6 days every week for 18 months, using a language he is struggling to learn or a culture he is struggling to understand are EXHIBIT A of this 4-Star Vacation that JoeB crabs about.
Oh, did I mention that a missionary and his companions don't know each other before and may be from different nations, each learning this new language? And, did I forget that this lazy missionary is paying his own way and sometimes forgoing sports and academic scholarships to go on his mission?
Cheap rent can mean living in a rough part of town. White shirts and name badges can single a missionary out for ridicule, slammed doors, or even worse if someone were looking for Mormons to harrass. Sometimes I wonder who is braver, the mother who sends out her son/daughter or the missionary bravely going out each day to share the good news of the restoration of the Savior's gospel.
Right now many of those lazy missionaries are busy filling sand bags in town after town in the Midwest.
But still our young people go out by the thousands every year - to all points on the globe. And older folks look forward to retirement so they, too, can serve as missionaries. All volunteers, paying their own way. |
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Thanks for all your energy and forthrightness in defending your faith (mine, too) and the honor of this nation. It's great to know of your service to both---and your incredible skills to love challenged children and make them your own.
JoeB is having his day in the sun. It's okay that he says things that are absolutely wrong in tone and in content about the founder of Mormonism and its doctrines.
His ideas about being it being a vacation for a young, 19 year old LDS missionary such as Mitt to go to a far away city or country, get up at 6:30am every morning for scripture study then tract on foot or using a bike until night, rain or shine, snow or hail, 6 days every week for 18 months, using a language he is struggling to learn or a culture he is struggling to understand are EXHIBIT A of this 4-Star Vacation that JoeB crabs about.
Oh, did I mention that a missionary and his companions don't know each other before and may be from different nations, each learning this new language? And, did I forget that this lazy missionary is paying his own way and sometimes forgoing sports and academic scholarships to go on his mission?
Cheap rent can mean living in a rough part of town. White shirts and name badges can single a missionary out for ridicule, slammed doors, or even worse if someone were looking for Mormons to harrass. Sometimes I wonder who is braver, the mother who sends out her son/daughter or the missionary bravely going out each day to share the good news of the restoration of the Savior's gospel.
Right now many of those lazy missionaries are busy filling sand bags in town after town in the Midwest.
But still our young people go out by the thousands every year - to all points on the globe. And older folks look forward to retirement so they, too, can serve as missionaries. All volunteers, paying their own way. |
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QM7, so many things you are wrong about. Even a broken clock is right twice a day....
Sorry, this is my first name here.
I'm a very happy person, taking great pleasure in my fiction writing, listening to classical music, spending time with my family, fishing, getting into the great outdoors.
YOu see, if someone challenged my faith, I'd rise to the challenge. I wouldn't make hateful comments like "go do away with yourself". I think that your attitudes just aren't very Christian.
It also strikes me that if you are truly secure in your faith, nothing I say should be able to bother you. The fact it does means that at some level, you probably have your doubts, which you douse in more BOM reading and a healthy dose of Prozac. |
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Just FYI, if it were just a mere flagging issue, you'd no longer be here!! However, I do think you are in your third or fourth name change here.
I did not 'suggest' you commit sucicide. Although...I 'suggested' you would not be missed if your suddenly disappeared. well, that's your issue, amoung others. Your just an unhappy and bitter man who has no goals or any source of happiness in your life. If you think what your doing has merit, by all means continue. Just do it elsewhere. I'm quite sure you can find an antimormon site that will welcome you with bigoted open arms. You'all can wear brown shrits with armbands, thumping your bibles at one another. |
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I never suggested sucicide
I said to do your self in.
And yes, I know the difference. Gald you do too.
Oooooo. I got to you. Sorry to prick your bigot bubble. Was it as fun for me as it was for you?
Me: So what is the difference, exactly?
The point is that whatever the words, it's pretty hateful, which is pretty much what I expect from the Lie-Everyday Saints. |
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I said to do your self in.
And yes, I know the difference. Gald you do too.
Oooooo. I got to you. Sorry to prick your bigot bubble. Was it as fun for me as it was for you? |
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First.
You're- Contraction for "You Are"
Your- Second person possessive.
Please learn the difference.
Second- Wow, suggesting suicide isn't very "Christian" is it? See, you're just proving me right, behind all the fake smiles and phony niceness, there's just a lot of bitterness.
Third, I'd be happy to leave you alone, but if you insist on trying to take over my country, I'll stop you.
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Name. I will continue to complain. I know you think there's something to it, but heck, I know what road your attempting to go down. Sorry, your just a bitter man with no worth to the human race. Have you ever considered doing yourself in? No one, I am sure, will miss you.
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QM7: Whoever 'hurt' you, whoever left you. Get over it. Life is sweeter when you let it go.
Me: You know, the People's Temple folks were happy until Jimmy Jones passed out the Kool-aid.
incidently, my problem with Mormons have nothing to do with relationships. I'm not sure why you guys all make that jump. It was more professional in nature. It showed bad character (and it was more than one person involved.) Then again, a lot of people have crossed me in my life. I can't waste time being mad at them all. LDS presents a special case because they seek political power.
One more time, what makes you different from a Moonie or a Scientologist? Why does your cult deserve special consideration?
Oh, go ahead and complain to TH. I'll just come back with another screen name. I was thinking "White Salamander". |
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That's ALL Synth and JoeB want to argue about. If you barely mention the word mitt (as in I bought a new baseball mitt), they will go off like rockets spewing a bunch of anti-Mormon stuff.
You will notice that every discussion of Mack's VP ends up in an anti-Mo rant with these two.
Of course, they will deny it's not anti-Mo...simply stating the "truth." No amount of logic or patient explanations will make any difference.
The next thread that mentions a mitt will elicit the same response. It's like waving a red flag in front of a bull.
Me: Actually, I'm damned depressed I am still having to talk about this subject. I thought that Mitt's resounding defeat in the primaries should have been the end of this nonsense. I'd much rather move on to other subjects.
Unfortunately, there are some who will keep trying to foist this loser on us, regardless of how much damage it does. They just don't get it, that if a candidate spends 100 million dollars and is beaten by someone who until recently, considered changing his party affiliation, that is a pretty resounding rejection. But they'll try to get him attached to McCain this year (ensuring defeat) or make him the nominee in 2012 (second term for Obama).
Instead, we should be glad we dodged the bullet, because if he were the nominee, all the stuff Synth and I are saying here would be on the nightly news and CNN and MSNBC every night until November. |
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For a 'man' who claims superior intelligence, you sure are a dumb and stupid person. Let us be. I don't care what your personal problem is with LDS. That's your 'cross' to carry. I have made my choice, given all the data, all the praying, and the study that goes into figuring this all out by my lonesome. Funny how if I made such a 'dumb' choice, it has made me and my family very happy and successful as a family. Maybe that's your issue: You can't stand to see so many successful families who love and care for one another as we do? (And yes, I know folks in other faiths have the same qualities, so don't bother going there). Perhaps it's success? Jelous of accomplishments? Turned down to go to BYU? Or, that 'mexican-american' woman you lived with, joined the church and gave you a choice. Marry her, or she moves on? Did I open a painful chapter in your life?
Really, I (and others) are to the point of complaining to Townhall, in the hopes that you are permantly banned from this site. Your bitter, redundent. Your full of hate towards a people. bigoted, prejudiced, whatever you call it, it's not the what we came here for. Your a bitter, angry man. Get over it. Move on. Your tiring and frankly, a sad case of a human. Your heart is hard. Whoever 'hurt' you, whoever left you. Get over it. Life is sweeter when you let it go. |
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MC Bunker: I absolutely honor and thank you for your service to our country. Does that mean you are not an ignorant, hateful bigot? Noooooo
I also think McCain is an American hero for his service to the country, and I will always honor him for that. Is that a ticket to the White House? Noooooo
Me: Please point out where I am ignorant. I disdain the Mormons for a pretty specific reason, that they believe in a bald-faced lie. If I expressed a similar disdain for Moonies, Scientologists, Branch Davidians, or any other whackadoo cult, we wouldn't have an issue here. Oh, that's right, you have Mormon neighbors, and they seem nice. I've met some Moonies who seemed like nice people too (at least until the deprogrammers got them), and none of them ever stabbed me in the back. Doesn't make their beliefs any less goofy.
On the issue of McCain, the point is that you weren't honoring his service. You were denigrating him as being someone who couldn't pick a VP who wouldn't outshine him. I'm sorry, if we go back to your pinup boy, and find out who is more honorable, I consider it FAR more honorable to have served your country in wartime than it is to take a multi-year vacation in France on the pretext of converting them into your cult.
But having never worn the uniform, I don't think you'd understand that.
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Its about Mormons, and JoeB131 has a problem.
Me: Big G, if you are going to repost things I said on IMAO (and not all the things under the name Joeb131 were written by me, BTW) then you should print them in context. I made that reponse to typical IMAO racist ranting about "criminal" Mexicans and how they were destroying America. (I stopped visiting IMAO because I general got disgusted with the race-baiting that happens there every day.)
So exactly what is wrong with what I said in that quote. The one thing I hear over and over from Mormon apologists is that "Well, my neighbor is a Mormon, and they are the nicest people, blah, blah, blah..." Well, I met some Mormons, and they were real scum. I stand by that. Beyond that, they have some beliefs that are simply goofy. |
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I don't get the Romney bashing
If you disagree with him on the issues or politics, fine. He IS more liberal on social issues than many would prefer. HOWEVER, he is squeaky clean, intelligent, came across well in the debates, etc. Sure, he is a Mormon. I'm a Christian, I don't believe, doctrinally, that Mormons are Christians. Mormons believe they are. We disagree on doctrine, obviously. SO WHAT? I didn't think we were electing a pastor. Mormons are often the best neighbors, they tend to have strong family values, work hard, etc. Of course I am stereotyping here - Mormons, like everyone else, are human, and there are good ones and bad ones, just like there are good and bad Christians, good and bad Jews, etc. However, my point was - his religion shouldn't be an issue with Romney since it's a secular office.
Me: It's not a question of "doctrine". It's a question of what the persons reasoning skills are.
We rightfully held Obama to account for the vile things that Rev. Wright and others said from the pulpit of his church. Gov. Huckabee was asked repeatedly if he believed the literal creation story in Genesis. These were valid questions.
But yet it's off limits to ask Gov. Romney if he believes he's wearing Magic Underwear, that he believes that Israelites inhabited the Americas, that all the other faiths are wrong and his is correct?
I don't think so.
Personally, I want a president who thinks for himself, one who doesn't buy a whole lot of hooey because it's "holy". I want a guy who shows good judgment, because when presidents don't show good judgment, people die.
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Sorry, I left yestewrday prior to being able to respond.
Jorangutan: United States Army. Five years reserve, six years active duty. Left at the rank of Staff Sergeant. (And incidently, the 131 stands for 131st Infantry, the reserve unit I last served in.) Had a great job, I was a Supply Sergeant.
So when I see someone like you degrading a decent man like John McCain who served this country bravely, it kind of disgusts me. I disagree with McCain on a lot of issues, but his service is a credit to us all.
Me: I absolutely honor and thank you for your service to our country. Does that mean you are not an ignorant, hateful bigot? Noooooo
I also think McCain is an American hero for his service to the country, and I will always honor him for that. Is that a ticket to the White House? Noooooo
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I think McCain did this right after he won the nomination but touring the worlding and having Joe Lieberman right by his side everywhere he went.
I think Lieberman would be very fitting for McCain, however when they lose people would probably not see things clearly and probably think that it was only because of Lieberman.
So someone really really popular with republicans would be good, so that when they lose, it will be clear that it was McCain's landslide defeat.
I think that McCain will go atleast a little bit liberal on this. McCain clearly thinks that the majority of voters are liberals.
But as people abandon ship on McCain and everything clearly indicates that he has no chance at all and an Obama win is certain, it may actually strenghten conservative's chances in congress for this election. |
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first to David, Mark Sanford NO NO NO
He is a north American Union RHINO,
He is responsible for us having a North American Union Rhino (McCory) as the GOP Gov candidate as he introduced him to the other NAU RHINOS
Have you all not noticed that the traditional Regan Republican has no place in the GOP and is being pushed out of the picture.
The VP is the most important thing we have left to cling to after our Bible and 12 guage a real Republican as VP
I am a Romney fan but he will nerver win the south and it has nothing to do with being a Morman. I t was the set up in the U-tube debate
where he flinched at the red-neck flag flying characture i was offended by the set up but people will remember the flinch and here is the problem the press and mind control or is that controll of the mindless. What is the problem with having an intelligent moral and yes dynamic person in the White House and that is what Romney is but it will not happen . Lets face it no matter what we are screwed socialist or North American Union these are our choices and we have to have a back up in place who can really save this countryand it is not any of these no names who are mentioned |
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first to David, Mark Sanford NO NO NO
He is a north American Union RHINO,
He is responsible for us having a North American Union Rhino (McCory) as the GOP Gov candidate as he introduced him to the other NAU RHINOS
Have you all not noticed that the traditional Regan Republican has no place in the GOP and is being pushed out of the picture.
The VP is the most important thing we have left to cling to after our Bible and 12 guage a real Republican as VP
I am a Romney fan but he will nerver win the south and it has nothing to do with being a Morman. I t was the set up in the U-tube debate
where he flinched at the red-neck flag flying characture i was offended by the set up but people will remember the flinch and here is the problem the press and mind control or is that controll of the mindless. What is the problem with having an intelligent moral and yes dynamic person in the White House and that is what Romney is but it will not happen . Lets face it no matter what we are screwed socialist or North American Union these are our choices and we have to have a back up in place who can really save this countryand it is not any of these no names who are mentioned |
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Let Obama pick first?
Why?
McCain was nominated months before Obama.
McCain looks undecisive about it.
It seems as though this guy thinks that Charlie Crist would a bad choice, so maybe McCain will pick him.
Earlier when McCain went on tour around the world after he won the nomination, he always had Joe Lieberman right next to him. It seemed a little more than just partners, it seemed like he was trying to come out about picking Lieberman as his running mate.
The longer he waits the more clear it is that he has little in common with conservatives.
I for one don't care because I don't plan on voting for McCain nor Obama, and a VP is not likely to change that.
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That's ALL Synth and JoeB want to argue about. If you barely mention the word mitt (as in I bought a new baseball mitt), they will go off like rockets spewing a bunch of anti-Mormon stuff.
You will notice that every discussion of Mack's VP ends up in an anti-Mo rant with these two.
Of course, they will deny it's not anti-Mo...simply stating the "truth." No amount of logic or patient explanations will make any difference.
The next thread that mentions a mitt will elicit the same response. It's like waving a red flag in front of a bull. |
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Romney is liberal on what social issues? I didn't see it that way at all. Romney and Fred were the most conservative ones, but Fred never took fire.
Anyway, I can't think of a social issue that Romney is liberal on. |
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You total misread that passage. You are using the term "church" too literally. It is not speaking of different christian denominations. Nephi is speaking of good and evil. The righteous and humble will follow Christ. The unrighteous will follow Satan.
This is completely consistent with Christ's teachings. "If you are not with me you are against me."
Liberal leftists like to paint the world in shades of gray, claiming there are many viewpoints. When in truth are only two ways. Christ's way and the Satan's way.
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If you disagree with him on the issues or politics, fine. He IS more liberal on social issues than many would prefer. HOWEVER, he is squeaky clean, intelligent, came across well in the debates, etc. Sure, he is a Mormon. I'm a Christian, I don't believe, doctrinally, that Mormons are Christians. Mormons believe they are. We disagree on doctrine, obviously. SO WHAT? I didn't think we were electing a pastor. Mormons are often the best neighbors, they tend to have strong family values, work hard, etc. Of course I am stereotyping here - Mormons, like everyone else, are human, and there are good ones and bad ones, just like there are good and bad Christians, good and bad Jews, etc. However, my point was - his religion shouldn't be an issue with Romney since it's a secular office.
That being said, I would love it if McCain chose Sarah Palin or Bobby Jindal. Both are ARTICULATE conservatives who can make a great case for conservatism and who are also dynamic. I think they will both be part of some future ticket. I also think McCain SHOULD get Colin Powell involved at some level, but not as VP - he is not conservative enough for that. My favorite candidate was probably Duncan Hunter but he would not work as a VP pick, I don't think. Neither would Huckabee. One idea - a VP pick that was hard-core anti-illegal immigration? That would certainly help with a large portion of the base.
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Everybody knows that any church or organization (combination of same or any category) that is deliberately against the Savior comes from the dark source.
What is the point of your post if not to confuse people? Haven't you read the Book of Revelations in the Bible? Same type of language and imagery.
Baptists love and endeavor to follow the Savior so what is your point?
LDS people have great respect for other Christian people. You are trying to stir up bad feelings among the readers of this thread, again.
Here is a link for you: http://www.ldsmag.com/churchupdate/080423respect
Some excerpts:
(2008) President Dieter Uchdorf of The First Presidency (of the LDS church, a German convert) ..."We honor and respect sincere souls from all religions, no matter where or when they lived who have loved God, even without having the fulness of the gospel. We lift our voices in gratitude for their selflessness and courage. We embrace them as brothers and sisters, children of our heavenly Father...."
"A respect for the diverse beliefs and unique contributions of all the world's faiths is one of the hallmarks of Mormonism."
"Latter-day Saints accept all sincere believers as equals in the pursuit of faith and in the great work of serving humanity."
"Members of the Church do not view fellow believers around the world as adversaries or competitors, but as partners in the many causes for good in the world....People of good faith do not need to have the exact same beliefs in order to accomplish great things in the service of their fellow human beings."
See the LDS Newsroom at lds.org when you want a current statement of LDS beliefs. |
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Everybody knows that any church or organization (combination of same or any category) that is deliberately against the Savior comes from the dark source.
What is the point of your post if not to confuse people? Haven't you read the Book of Revelations in the Bible? Same type of language and imagery.
Baptists love and endeavor to follow the Savior so what is your point?
LDS people have great respect for other Christian people. You are trying to stir up bad feelings among the readers of this thread, again.
Here is a link for you: http://www.ldsmag.com/churchupdate/080423respect
Some excerpts:
(2008) President Dieter Uchdorf of The First Presidency (of the LDS church, a German convert) ..."We honor and respect sincere souls from all religions, no matter where or when they lived who have loved God, even without having the fulness of the gospel. We lift our voices in gratitude for their selflessness and courage. We embrace them as brothers and sisters, children of our heavenly Father...."
"A respect for the diverse beliefs and unique contributions of all the world's faiths is one of the hallmarks of Mormonism."
"Latter-day Saints accept all sincere believers as equals in the pursuit of faith and in the great work of serving humanity."
"Members of the Church do not view fellow believers around the world as adversaries or competitors, but as partners in the many causes for good in the world....People of good faith do not need to have the exact same beliefs in order to accomplish great things in the service of their fellow human beings."
See the LDS Newsroom at lds.org when you want a current statement of LDS beliefs. |
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could pick the Lord Jesus as VP,....he STILL wouldn't get my vote!
He's counting on his pals, th illegal alien lovin RINOS,...aka "Hose B 131" and co.
McScamnesty thumbed his nose at conservatives, and now, paybacks are gonna be a "mother", and he'll lose to the "Oblamamessiah".
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Its about Mormons, and JoeB131 has a problem.
#176 - Posted by: JoeB131 on February 5, 2008 06:36 AM
"I lived with a Mexican-American woman for 11 years. When I was in the service, I met lots of Puerto-Ricans and Mexicans and Cubans. Even one gal from Chile. (I also met a few Mormons, and they were the most back-stabbing mother f**kers I ever met in my life, which is why I wouldn't vote for Romney under ANY circumstances. He reminds me of them.)"
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Jose A or Jose B?
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[Brian on June 23, 2008 5:32 PM]"You often see folks bashing Mormons. You never see Mormons bashing other religions."
I'm looking at verses 10 and 17 below.
Do you think Baptists:
are harlots?
belong to [Joseph Smith]"the church of the devil"?
belong to an [Smith]"abominable church"?
1 Nephi 14
http://scriptures.lds.org/en/1_ne/14
10 And he said unto me: Behold there are save two churches only; the one is the church of the Lamb of God, and the other is the church of the devil; wherefore, whoso belongeth not to the church of the Lamb of God belongeth to that great church, which is the mother of abominations; and she is the whore of all the earth.
11 And it came to pass that I looked and beheld the whore of all the earth, and she sat upon many waters; and she had dominion over all the earth, among all nations, kindreds, tongues, and people.
12 And it came to pass that I beheld the church of the Lamb of God, and its numbers were few, because of the wickedness and abominations of the whore who sat upon many waters; nevertheless, I beheld that the church of the Lamb, who were the saints of God, were also upon all the face of the earth; and their dominions upon the face of the earth were small, because of the wickedness of the great whore whom I saw.
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16 And as there began to be wars and rumors of wars among all the nations which belonged to the mother of abominations, the angel spake unto me, saying: Behold, the wrath of God is upon the mother of harlots; and behold, thou seest all these things—
17 And when the day cometh that the wrath of God is poured out upon the mother of harlots, which is the great and abominable church of all the earth, whose founder is the devil, then, at that day, the work of the Father shall commence, in preparing the way for the fulfilling of his covenants, which he hath made to his people who are of the house of Israel.
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Ryan:There is probably an equal number of former POWs who despise McCain for the way he and John Kerry screwed over some of the pow families. McCain sucks.
Me: Oh, I wouldn't say that. Yeah, I know there's this nutjob group who passed out literature against him in 2000, which sullied Bush's character because he didn't denounce them.
Unfortunately, there is a whole POW/MIA industry that still insists people were left behind (they weren't), and despise McCain for actually taking the front in normalizing relations with Hanoi. |
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Why so much time wasted on Huck and Mitt,they lost to John FREAKEN McCain! I wanted Fred but when he dropped out I was sorely disapointed because he was the only real conservative left.So now we have buyers remorse and all we can do is talk about which rino will make the best veep.Don't worry the media will pick one for us. |
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"Me: United States Army."
Oh. I thought you were with the Mexican army or the brown berets.
"Had a great job, I was a Supply Sergeant."
Really? How much did you steal?
"A few months ago, I met a fellow POW of McCain (I won't drop names), who told me that when McCain was in trouble last year, he and other POW's got together and raised money to help him out. Anyone who can inspire that kind of loyalty is outstanding."
There is probably an equal number of former POWs who despise McCain for the way he and John Kerry screwed over some of the pow families. McCain sucks. |
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"Filthy magic underwear-clad capitalist pig bigots! If you don't like McCain, vote for Huckabee. He's the only true conservative that was ever in the running."
#124 - Posted by: JoeB131 on February 8, 2008 02:48 PM
"I don't care. Let me tell you bigots how much I don't care. See? I don't care so much, I'm going out of my way to let you know I don't care. And you're filthy Mormons. And bigots."
#127 - Posted by: JoeB131 on February 8, 2008 05:11 PM |
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All of which are accurate terms... I don't think I actually used "filthy", though. I'm sure their personal hygeine is just fine. |
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Many of us served
including me.
So does that make me an impeachable hero?
Sure sounds like it!
I need to make some decrees where since they they are, without a doubt, the utter truth!
I hearby decree JoeB131 is full of it... whereas it being anything you personally decide to fill up Joe with.
What religion are you Joe? I might have a second decree coming.
Me: Don't really have one. I consider myself non-denominational.
My point was that McCain's service was honorable, as a counter to MC's claim that 'anyone' would outshine McCain as a Veep.
It seems you have a lot of hostility towards Senator McCain. What's that all about? |
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that military service alone does not qualify someone to be president, let alone the description of a brave or decent individual.
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JoB131 doesnt refer to Mormons as infidels, he prefers to refer to them as "back-stabbing motherf#ckers","Nazis","filthy Mormons".
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Anyway, to the religious bigots here, I say "yikes".
You guys are aweful people.
One thing that on-lookers should note: You often see folks bashing Mormons. You never see Mormons bashing other religions. This in of itself is an important fact to acknowledge.
Finally, I find it deliciously ironic when one religious guy says that another religion is fake and disproven. Talk about classic foot-in-mouth disease.
Me: Who said I was religious? Personally, I think all religions have a certain percentage of BS in them. Religions are made up by men, and they have the imperfections of men.
However, Mormonism has the problem that we actually caught the founders in the act of BSing their followers. People at the time knew it was a scam, and historians have proven it to be a scam.
We know that the civilizations detailed in the BOM never existed. We know that Smith's translations of the Kinderhook tablets and Book of Abraham were incorrect. |
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including me.
So does that make me an impeachable hero?
Sure sounds like it!
I need to make some decrees where since they they are, without a doubt, the utter truth!
I hearby decree JoeB131 is full of it... whereas it being anything you personally decide to fill up Joe with.
What religion are you Joe? I might have a second decree coming. |
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[Quote by MaineConservative:
The general rule is that a president not pick a VP who will outshine the president. That is going to be a difficult search for Mr. McCain to find anyone to fit that bill.]
The democrats are facing the same problem, finding someone more dumb and clueless than B. Hussein Obama.
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MC:I wore the boy scout uniform, almost made Eagle, does that count? Where did you serve?
Me: United States Army. Five years reserve, six years active duty. Left at the rank of Staff Sergeant. (And incidently, the 131 stands for 131st Infantry, the reserve unit I last served in.) Had a great job, I was a Supply Sergeant.
So when I see someone like you degrading a decent man like John McCain who served this country bravely, it kind of disgusts me. I disagree with McCain on a lot of issues, but his service is a credit to us all.
A few months ago, I met a fellow POW of McCain (I won't drop names), who told me that when McCain was in trouble last year, he and other POW's got together and raised money to help him out. Anyone who can inspire that kind of loyalty is outstanding. |
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I think you may have hit the nail on the head. He may be one of the Mormon's Jorangutan says is in his crawlspace.
I'm sure losing his best girl to A MORMON!! just sent him off the edge, thus what we see today. |
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Gee, I don't know, that eHarmony guy looks geninuinly creepy to me... (They also discriminate against a lot of different groups.)
Again, where have I ever used the word "infidels" to describe Mormons?
(incidently, the word "infidel" was coined by Catholics to be used to describe Muslims during the Crusades, not the other way around. It's a LATIN word.)
My problem with Mormons is that their religion is a fraud. And worse, it's badly done fraud. It was started by a guy who figured out that making up a fake religion was a faster way to get money and women than his previous scam, telling people that he could find gold in their backyards.
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One thing I can say for you. You're a brave one and don't back down. I like that! You're wrong, but I like it! |
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thanks for the uplift! I too find it ironic how some work so very hard to tell me why my church is wrong, and spend so little time telling me why theirs is 'right'. I think it might be a good to have Gov. Romney as veep, if that is McCains choice. Then folks might actually see first hand we are not evil, have horns, or plan on taking over the country.
My bishop has about the same story as you. So many in my ward investigated the church after hearing lies and mis-truths and checked it out for themselves. Welcome aboard! |
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I wore the boy scout uniform, almost made Eagle, does that count? Where did you serve? |
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JoeB131,
The Jihadists are the only other people on the planet who harbor so much anger toward "infidels."
Come on, pal, level with us; did your Senior Prom Date run off with a handsome Mormon kid ?
If you're looking for a new date, try eHarmony.com !
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the conservative minds that have not followed the RINO McShame and are still open to their choice.
I live in AZ and won't vote for him. Trust me on this one.
Anyway, to the religious bigots here, I say "yikes".
You guys are aweful people.
One thing that on-lookers should note: You often see folks bashing Mormons. You never see Mormons bashing other religions. This in of itself is an important fact to acknowledge.
Finally, I find it deliciously ironic when one religious guy says that another religion is fake and disproven. Talk about classic foot-in-mouth disease. |
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I actually appreciate the anti-mormon zealotry a bit. Before my conversion I used to wonder what would cause people to hate a group of perfectly nice people so much. Just look at this thread and any other where Mitt's name is mentioned. The seething hatred is palpable. It will cause people to look into the Church. People like that helped propel me to look into the LDS Church.
And upon investigating the Church I found out all the horrible lies and misinformation told about it. But in the end, as with my acceptance of Christ as Savior long ago, it was the Holy Spirit who testified of the truth of the LDS Church.
I've been a member of other Churches for 20 years and have now been LDS for almost 5. What a marvelous work and a wonder. :) |
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The comment about the uniform must have really hurt, eh? |
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You agreed with Joragutan in the same post as you said you hope McCain picks Romney?
You're obviously new here. |
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Joeb
I HAVE worn the uniform. I've also served as a missionary. Just stop the obsession. Your lack of intellignce is starting to shine through.
Me: Well, I respect your service, then.
MC obviously hasn't, but has the nerve to say to denigrate McCain's character.
Mitt Romney also found ways to avoid service during Vietnam.
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Would you consider Stalkesizer your concubine? I assume she's not you wife, right?
Me: I don't even know Synth... or what his or her gender is.
Of course, her problem with Mitt/LDS is that they contradict her religious view.
My problem is that they contradict logic, reason and empirical evidence.
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How'd they get there?
Joe, I thought you said there were no Mormons in Illinois since you guys shot that liar Joe Smith 150 years ago?
They're starting to infiltrate your space again?!?! Oh, no. Can you kill them all? They're like coakroaches, the more of them you kill the more they seem to come at you!! Oh no. What to do? What to do?
Me: Okay, MC, obviously humor caused an overload in your limited logic circuts. I apologize... |
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Me: McCain bravely served his country for 26 years. While your boy was taking a vacation in France as a "missionary", McCain was being tortured by our country's enemies. You tell me who outshines who here...
Somehow, I don't picture you ever having worn the uniform.
I could not agree with you more!
Hard to outshine a war hero...not to mention someone whom is a good humanitarian along side his wife.
I honestly am hoping he picks either Romney or Huckabee...Romney has a great grasp on the economy. |
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I HAVE worn the uniform. I've also served as a missionary. Just stop the obsession. Your lack of intellignce is starting to shine through. |
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Romney as neve had an affair. Neither have I. most of those I know in my ward well, have not either. So, you must be saying that if youve had an affair, your NOT repressed? I'll mention that to my husband tonight when he gets home from work It will give him a good laugh. |
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what happened, did the truth scare them tod death? |
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Jorangutan, I thought you said there were no Mormons in Illinois since you guys shot that liar Joe Smith 150 years ago?
They're starting to infiltrate your space again?!?! Oh, no. Can you kill them all? They're like coakroaches, the more of them you kill the more they seem to come at you!! Oh no. What to do? What to do? |
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[Qweenmumof7 on June 23, 2008 4:03 PM]"Joeb?Huh.
Now your obsessed with our sex lives? your one sick and obsessed puppy!"
I remember the days here on TownHall when LDS pro-Romney people were screaming about McCain allegedly having had an affair while in Vietnam.
http://www.townhall.com/columnists/AmandaCarpenter/2008/02/ 21/mccain_blasts_new_york_times&Comments=true
Qweenmumof7 Location: UT
Reply # 100
Date: Feb 21, 2008 - 2:37 PM EST
sorry
meant Las Vegas, both cities with LDS populations. Ms. Huckabee stayed at Hooters.
And the NYT screed should not suprise anyone at all. If he had the affair, it fits the pattern. He's cheated once, will do it again. However, I think that McCain is handling it quite well.
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Look out Joe! There could be a Mormon in your closet!!
Me: Fraid not, but I've buried a few in my crawlspace... |
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He simply is here for our entertainment. Like I've said before, he's like the bearded woman at the carnival who we get grossed out looking at but we just can't help ourselves. Or the Oragutan picking his nose at the zoo. Gross, but we look anyway.
Jorangutan just keep picking for our entertainment. Not as good as the bearded lady, but readily available - and cheap.
Look out Joe! There could be a Mormon in your closet!! |
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MaineConservative writes: Monday, June, 23, 2008 3:42 PM
The General Rule
is that a president not pick a VP who will outshine the president. That is going to be a difficult search for Mr. McCain to find anyone to fit that bill.
Me: McCain bravely served his country for 26 years. While your boy was taking a vacation in France as a "missionary", McCain was being tortured by our country's enemies. You tell me who outshines who here...
Somehow, I don't picture you ever having worn the uniform. |
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Now your obsessed with our sex lives? your one sick and obsessed puppy! |
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Wow, All I had to do is mention Mitt...
..and JoeBS and Syntheholic come racing to copy and paste the same tired arguments and outdated links they've been using for months!
Do you guys get paid by the word? You are not only boringly persistent (like cockroaches). you are also boringly wordy.
You don't bring anything new to the discussion. You just try overload a thread with useless copy to make it appear that the vast majority oppose Romney, to intimidate newbies and make a thread so long it become near unusable.
Instead of trying to persuade people with good arguments you just try to overwhelm them with bulk and filler.
Me: I've made great arguments, just none that will convince a Koolaid drinker his life is a lie...
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Joeb
Beats the other religions, hands down. At least we have fun!
Me: You don't drink, smoke, use coffee or tea, and as near as I can tell, have serious sexual hangups. Oh, that's right, family game night. I forgot. |
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You've got some serious baggage you're dragging around.
Did a Mormon kid give you a beating in grade school ? Did a Mormon kid steal your Senior Prom Date ?
Outside of the Jew-hating Muslims, I've never seen anyone who is so obsessed with "infidels."
Me: I hate religions based on a lie. Mormonism is based on a lie. I hate liars. It's that simple.
And you really have a lot of anger at people who have more money than you do.
That's weird, brother.
If you want to be a happier person, you should focus on creating a better financial situation for yourself and focus on improving your own spirituality rather than focusing on someone else's religion or someone else's finanaces.
Me: "It is harder for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than a rich man to enter the Kingdom of God."
I have no problem with people who earn their wealth honestly. I have a real problem with people who become wealthy by harming others, such as selling dangerous products or putting honest people out of work. Jesus would have a problem with them to. Well, the Christian Jesus, not the fake Mormon Jesus.
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Beats the other religions, hands down. At least we have fun! |
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..and JoeBS and Syntheholic come racing to copy and paste the same tired arguments and outdated links they've been using for months!
Do you guys get paid by the word? You are not only boringly persistent (like cockroaches). you are also boringly wordy.
You don't bring anything new to the discussion. You just try overload a thread with useless copy to make it appear that the vast majority oppose Romney, to intimidate newbies and make a thread so long it become near unusable.
Instead of trying to persuade people with good arguments you just try to overwhelm them with bulk and filler. |
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is that a president not pick a VP who will outshine the president. That is going to be a difficult search for Mr. McCain to find anyone to fit that bill. |
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[PC]"Romney can help with conservatives, talk radio, MI, CO and NV"
"Romney can help with conservatives"
How so? During which years was Romney pro-life?
"Romney can help with... talk radio"
Do you think Limbaugh will stop bashing McCain if McCain picks Romney?
[JoeB131 on May 5, 2008 10:53 AM]"Romney was an awful candidate. Period. He spent something like 70 million, had the whole right-wing blogosphere and talk radio behind him, and he still couldn't win against a guy who's stabbed his own party in the back so many times most of us don't trust him."
Farah, Joseph. 19 January 2008. "Not drinking Romney's Kool-aid"
http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=59764
Nevertheless, Ann Coulter, Rush Limbaugh, Laura Ingraham, Sean Hannity and countless other friends of mine – people who are right far more often than they are wrong – have somehow fallen under the spell of Mitt Romney.
I look at the man, and I see the face of disingenuousness. They look at it and see the face of sincerity.
I swear I didn't drink the Kool-aid.
Can they make the same vow?
Romney owes talk radio debt of gratitude
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics.republicans/msg /f66e6dad0487ed0f
[JoeB131 on June 13, 2008 12:44 PM]"Utah is the least of McCain's problems. If he takes Romney, the Evangelicals, who hold sway in most of the south, may well stay home, which gives Obama an advantage in VA (13), OH (20), PA (21) NC (15) and MO (11)."
What's Romney-supporters' explanation for Romney coming in:
4th in SC?
3rd in Missouri?
As everybody knows, Romney spent boatloads of money in advertising.
What's Romney-supporters' response to this?:
[Pro on May 5, 2008 11:07 PM]"Romney came in largely third or lower in the old Confederacy. He is poison down there.
South Carolina: 4th, Tennessee: 3rd, Georgia: 3rd, Alabama: 3rd, Oklahoma: 3rd, Missouri: 3rd, Arkansas: 3rd."
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JoeB131,
You've got some serious baggage you're dragging around.
Did a Mormon kid give you a beating in grade school ? Did a Mormon kid steal your Senior Prom Date ?
Outside of the Jew-hating Muslims, I've never seen anyone who is so obsessed with "infidels."
And you really have a lot of anger at people who have more money than you do.
That's weird, brother.
If you want to be a happier person, you should focus on creating a better financial situation for yourself and focus on improving your own spirituality rather than focusing on someone else's religion or someone else's finanaces.
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go write a book or something about the goofy cult, and leave us alone. It s totally untrue that a third of the country hates mormons. I'll bet those folks in Iowa are hating us about now, as we send relief in to help not just the members, but everyone? Heck, some were even sandbagging along the shores of the Mississippi.
Your a bigot. You hate us. You have 'added knowledge' that we don't. We get it. Now, go write that book, and stick to politics?
Me: Actually, I am working on a Science Fiction story about Mormons in space. Want to take a guess how it ends?
I don't hate you. I hate the fact you are wasting your life believing in a lie. I suppose I hate your church's leaders for perpetuating the lie, or at least as much of it as they can get away with. |
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Assuming McCain will lose
Lots of conservatives are doing it, but it's not going to happen. There's no way Obama can overcome his own inexperience, associates, advisors,and off-the-chart liberal goals. He's way too radical for mainstream America.
McCain is going to win. I don't think his VP choice is even all that important, as long as he doesn't choose someone toxic like Huck. Obviously, Romney can help with conservatives, talk radio, MI, CO and NV.
Me: Actually, I would be shocked if McCain won.
First, it is rare that the same party to get retained without an incumbant. Since 1952, power has switched every two elections with the exception of 1988.
You combine that with an unpopular war, $4.00 gas, rising unemployment, rising inflation, etc, and you have a recipe for defeat.
Yes, Obama might be the reincarnation of Jimmy Carter, and will make things worse, but keep in mind, Jimmy Carter got elected under very similar circumstances.
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go write a book or something about the goofy cult, and leave us alone. It s totally untrue that a third of the country hates mormons. I'll bet those folks in Iowa are hating us about now, as we send relief in to help not just the members, but everyone? Heck, some were even sandbagging along the shores of the Mississippi.
Your a bigot. You hate us. You have 'added knowledge' that we don't. We get it. Now, go write that book, and stick to politics? |
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choices. They are too young yet Palin, if she does do it, loses my respect. I'd like her to get her family situatated with that little bundle she was recently blessed with. It seems se easy now, but a special needs kid is a LOT of work for everyone.
Jindal. Has big problems in LA he needs to get straight first. He can't leave the work undone, or it will be his downfall.
Thompson? Orignal supporter of him, but he's not a do it kind of guy.
Huckabee. Let's not go there. That horse had run and been put to bed wet.
Romney? My guy. But I don't want him in the line of fire when McCain drops from the flash of Obama. He'd be the best choice overall. But it is McCains to choose.
Pawlenty? Who is that guy?
Steel. Possible.
Crist? Light in the loafers, too tan. Next. |
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"How about picking George W. Bush as veep?"
You really need to learn about a document called the Constitution of the United States of America. |
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Lots of conservatives are doing it, but it's not going to happen. There's no way Obama can overcome his own inexperience, associates, advisors,and off-the-chart liberal goals. He's way too radical for mainstream America.
McCain is going to win. I don't think his VP choice is even all that important, as long as he doesn't choose someone toxic like Huck. Obviously, Romney can help with conservatives, talk radio, MI, CO and NV. |
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really think this guy has a future in 2012 or any other year.
He's going to have the same problems in 2012 he had in 2008.
He'll belong to a goofy cult a third of the country hates.
He'll be seen as a corporate raider who made his fortune putting working folks out of jobs.
He'll be seen as a phony.
Come on, the guy spent 100 million dollars and lost to a guy whom most Republicans consider to really be a Democrat.
What, what exactly is going to change between 2008 and 2012 that is going to make him a better candidate.
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Your back. 'Bishop' Romney (who is also known as President Romney) does not have a 'flock'. Don't know what your getting to. But if you spent about 10 seconds actually learning about the LDS organization, instead of linking to nonsense links, you'd learn that
1. He did choose to be a bishop or stake president.
2. once released (and he's been released), he no longer has any jurisdiction over a ward or stake.
but for some reason, you think this is a bad thing. Why not spend your summer in a productive mode? I'm quite sure your parents would love for you to get out of their basement and earn a paycheck to help out with the chips and beer you consume. |
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Jim Webb as Mac's VP. That would be something. There would be fist fights on a daily basis. Good post. |
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He brought two pigs into the state legislature named Pork & Barrel and used to sleep in his office to save money.
He is a perfect Maverick match who would attract Conservatives, Ron Paul Libertarians already like him, and as a Maverick he would attract Independents.
McCain-Sanford, The American All-Maverick Ticket |
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[PC on June 23, 2008 11:26 AM]"He's even allowed a little talk of Huck so as not to offend the pastor-in-chief crowd"
Is there a bishop-in-chief crowd?
[MaineConservative on June 18, 2008 10:45 PM]"How would we ever get by without Huck and his flock?"
Does Bishop Romney have a "flock"?
missionary, lay minister, pastor of a congregation, bishop
http://link.brightcove.com/services/player/bcpid1321252644? bclid=1392485057&bctid=1392485174
9 June 2007. Bishop Romney's Sadistic Anti-Abortion Counseling
http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0706/S00066.htm
Judy Dushku: In the early 90s, our feminist newspaper Exponent II, did a theme issue about Mormonism and abortion. X said she’d like to write a piece describing her experience. We agreed to publish her story anonymously because we knew her and knew about the ordeal.
Then in 1994, when Romney was running for the Senate, he came out in favor of choice for women -- which was surprising to me. I was pleased and called, asking to see him. I told him I suspected that we had our differences, but that maybe I could work with him if he’d come to a really good position on women and childbirth.
And he said – Yes, come to my office.
I went to his office and I congratulated him on taking a pro-choice position. And his response was – Well they told me in Salt Lake City I could take this position, and in fact I probably had to in order to win in a liberal state like Massachusetts.
Suzan Mazur: Who’s “THEY”?
Judy Dushku: I asked him the same question. And he said “the Brethren” in Salt Lake City.
And I said, Mitt, it doesn’t make me happy to hear that. What you’re suggesting is that you’re not genuinely pro-choice. It’s a position of convenience.
He said – Oh no, I actually had an aunt who died of a botched abortion. So I have some positive feelings about choice, but basically I know that I have to take that position.
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"Romney.... never shoots from the hip"
Romney did lie in a prepared speech.
Mitt Romney: From Flip-Flop To See-Saw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=up60e-ygalU
I grant that Romney has a way with words-- see the above video, and this:
Romney: McCain's bill gives, and doesn't give, amnesty to illegals
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3RtlC4g96ck
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Romney is a big liar!
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics.republicans/msg /798c5314480d0328
York Byron. 26 November 2007. "A GOP Attack on Romney"
http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=OTBiOTQ1N2I1NWYxNT ZkNGNhMmZkNGUzZjg4MmViNDE=
A scathing attack on Mitt Romney today from Jim Rappaport, the former head of the Massachusetts Republican party who just held a conference call with reporters to announce his endorsement of Rudy Giuliani. Rappaport praised Giuliani's record in New York and said Romney "has a strong record of showmanship as opposed to actual performance."
Discussing Romney's relationship with the Massachusetts state legislature, Rappaport said of the former governor, "His word is no good…Mitt Romney would say one thing in a meeting and literally go out of the meeting to the press and tell the opposite story. There was no desire in the legislature to be accommodating to him because they couldn't trust him." Romney, Rappaport continued, "will be clear today on what he believes today, and he'll be clear tomorrow on what he believes tomorrow, but they may be different things."
3 February 2008. serial liar Romney claims NRA endorsement-- again
http://race42008.com/2008/02/03/romney-flips-on-guns/
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I am a Mitt Romney supporter. But I'd rather see him clear of the falling debris when McCain gets crushed in the fall.
That being said, I think McCain's best shot would be to select Sarah Palin. She would have appeal to conservatives, men and women. She is young and telegenic, which can only help the feeble, pallid looking McCain (Is he getting whiter and older looking every day?)
I disagree with Matt on point #1. I think McCain should get out in front and pick Palin before Obama picks his Veep. If Obie picks a woman, McCain's choice of Palin would only look like a me too selection.
But veeps don't win elections. I still think McCain will look like a small white pancake when the voting is over.
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McCain can't gamble by letting Obama go first lest he lose out on his own first choice. And what if Obama doesn't tell McCain whom to choose at all? I think McCain ought to go ahead and get Jim "Wierdo" Webb. |
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Jindal and Palin is they are young and inexperienced -- we can argue that they are more experienced than Obama, but really they are not much more experienced than he is, which then tends to undercut McCain's ability to make the experience argument really stick against Obama. I think McCain can pull this out as long as he runs towards the middle -- he should be able to pick up lots of moderate democrats and independents. I think Romeny would be a bad choice because he would hurt him with those groups. |
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Chances are his choice will be tied to some huge political debt and we will have more insight into his real "change" politics.
Let Obama pull down his own mask; I don't think we have to do it as time (summer time) is on our side. Is this a race between the cocky haire and the turtle with the slow fellow coming in first because he was steady and stayed on course. I expect Obama to get pulled off course by his associations and his political debts. Also, he is cocky and has a sense of entitlement to be the next POTUS. Not. |
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I believe the most important one is to make Obama go first. This gives McCain a chance to come up trumps with his pick and he'll grab a good bit of the news cycle in September. |
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I heard him on Hannity the other day. He couldn't spit out anything pertinent. All he did was parrot back what Sean said - he offered no insight or persuasion. I don't see him helping McCain much, other than bringing in the ones who supported him, which was not a large number. |
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When did she ever prove that? I haven't seen it, although she is doing a good job in AK. I don't think she would be getting any attention if she were not a woman. Let's leave identity politics to the dems, please. |
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I would be great to have McCain out stumping with someone who blows people away, but I do like the idea of waiting to see Obama chooses.
I'm with PC on Pawlenty: I don't know much about him, but I scratched him off the mental list when I heard that he was talking about his sex life in a public forum. Way too much informatin--loose lips, sink ships.
Crisp reminds me too much of George Hamilton.
Graham did okay yesterday on MTP, but he's got one of those unauthoritative Southern accents that makes him sound like a weasle. Edwards does too; that's why I want Obama to pick him. In the meantime, Graham needs to work on a Fred Thompson-like authoritative Southern accent.
I can't argue with Palin if she's ready to go. I read the Politico bio, and about the only opposition research Obama MIGHT find is that she was a ball hog on her HS basketball team. The Democrats definitely don't have an answer for her.
As an Ohioan, I must whisper Rob Portman. Keep your eyes open for him. |
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I'd take Palin in a heartbeat.
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Palin would be my #1 choice!
Agree that it is important to float the trial balloon. It seems to me that McCain is leaning towards a younger less experienced choice, which I would personally like to see. However, it is key to make sure they can handle the national stage and all the criticism that come with being VP on a national ticket.
Quayle was a complete disaster. He was not ready for the national stage and it showed. He was D.O.A. He was not ready for all the smear tactics the liberal media aimed his way. By the time he made his first speech the entire country was convinced he was an imbecile.
Jindal and Palin are phenomenal politicians. If either is chosen they will be able to handle the liberal attack dogs. However it will still be wise to float their names first. The truth is either has more experience than Obama.
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McCain seems to be pushing me over the other side.I would like to grab him by the neck and shake some sense into him.This domestic energy dilemma is made to order for the republicans he should be pounding the message home with a sledgehammer that the dems are so far out of touch with the citizens needs.This is so obvious,it's so hard to watch almost embarrassing as he tip-toes around the subject.I can't bring myself to vote for Barr he is as bad as McCain on the border issue.Sorry Maine con Mitt is too weak for me I like Jindlal but even if McCain picks him it my not be enough to sway me . |
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I love your sentiment! If McCain picked Sarah, I’d work my tail off to get him elected. Trouble is, there is her family issue.
As noted above, Gov. Palin gave birth to a child with Down Syndrome in April. I question how much time she wants to devote to a national campaign, when she has a baby who will need so much of her time and attention. As much as we like to think of our favorite politicians as “ours”, they, like our favorite athletes, are still people with personal and family needs that have to be met.
Bottom line, that’s a decision only Gov. Palin can make. But hey, if she is certain that she’s up to the task, it only increases my esteem for her.
What an enticement to bring conservatives back into the fold – “McCain ’08, Palin ’12.”
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I have thus far, planned on voting for him. But if his blatant attempts to distance himself from the president and appease the enviro-nuts does not stop, he will lose my support.
"John McCain stood up to the president..." begins the latest ad. It goes on to speak of John as something of a republican wise man with regards to global warming. Frankly, this is just the kind of thing I dont want to hear from McCain.
If I am honest, I have to tell everyone that I can not shake the feeling old John is going to get crushed in November. And it will be his own fault for trying to hold onto this "Maverick" label he has created for himself.
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And she is the new mother of a baby boy with down syndrome. She's got her hands full and would not be able to commit to a grueling campaign. I'm sure she loves the talk, though.
McCain said he will choose somone who is ready to take over if necessary. That is not Palin, by any stretch of the imagination. She is way too inexperienced to be considered. But, I think she's been good for Alaska, and I wish her and her family all the best. |
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Not so sure about #1, better to push Obama's buttons and that of a "divided" Dem convention...at least do #2 soon with Sarah Palin. She's OK with conservatives - on prolife front she cannot be assailed since she practiced what we preach about, on reform political she put her career on the line against real shenanigans, on reform economic she's done well for Alaska.....AND if you read noquarterusa.net and other Clintonista sites there's a whole bunch of people out there looking for a reason to vote McCain and that might be voting for a woman too, and for the occasion may overlook the schism with their own prochoice etc positions. |
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For someone to convince me to vote for McCain, because, frankly, I'm not there yet. Being the "maverick" that he is I expect him to pick someone like him (Lieberman, Lindsay Graham).
I'm holding off a final decision until after a VP is picked, which I agree should be after the Dems convention. Unless something changes drastically I'll be voting 3rd party. If McCain does pick Romney I'll have to go back to the drawing board because I supported Mitt in the primaries and have hope for him for the future.
I have concern that Romney as a running mate for that liberal could taint Romney for the future. |
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Let's use the GOP convention to discuss who we want to be the PRESIDENTIAL candidate. McCain is leading the GOP into what may become the most crushing defeat in history. We already have a Democratic party, we don't need a second one. |
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He's already floating many trial balloons. He's even allowed a little talk of Huck so as not to offend the pastor-in-chief crowd, even though he has no prayer. I think it's been made clear to him that the payback choices of Pawlenty and Crist won't cut it.
The hint that Romney may be the man is seen in McCain's comment about him a week or so ago. He said, "No one is representing me better than Mitt Romney". And indeed, Romney is being asked to do more events/speeches/interviews for McCain than anyone else. He's doing an excellent job. He never shoots from the hip, never goes off message, and is always a gentleman while delivering the tough hits on Obama.
McCain won't choose a guy who jokes about assassination Obama, or who makes comments about more sex with his wife during a radio interview. Huck and Pawlenty are out. |
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How about picking George W. Bush as veep?
Best of both worlds, in my opinion.
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