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Wednesday, April 29, 2009
Honest Numbers on Iraqi Deaths Deserve Honest Context
Posted by: Michael Medved at 11:32 AM

An authoritative new study of civilian casualties in the Iraq War shows that opponents of that conflict have wildly and consistently exaggerated its human costs.

Based on previously secret figures from the Iraqi Health Ministry, as well as numbers from the British Group “Iraq Body Count” and its own investigation of hospital records and death certificates, the Associated Press concluded that 110,600 Iraqis died since the beginning of the American Invasion. This contrasts with irresponsible and unscientific estimates from various sources that often put the casualties as ten times that high.

For instance, the best known previous estimate of Iraqi deaths came from a notoriously unreliable “household survey” conducted by investigators from Johns Hopkins University and published in the British medical Journal, “The Lancet”. It concluded that 601,027 Iraqis had perished by July, 2006. An even less credible survey, by the British marketing research company, Opinion Research Business, concluded that more than a million Iraqis had died (of a total population of 29 million) by August, 2007.

The new Associated Press report used previously undisclosed data from the Health Ministry, supplementing this total (87,215) with deaths reported from other sources. As reporter Kim Gamel explained: “The AP reviewed the Iraq Body Count analysis and confirmed its conclusions by sifting the data and consulting experts. The AP also interviewed experts involved with the previous studies, prominent Iraq analysts, and provincial and medical officials to determine that the new tally was credible.”

All this careful work yielded far more persuasive numbers than the hysterical reports always favored by the anti-war movement and deployed as part of its effort to depict the war as one of the great genocides of human history.

But while the Associated Press deserves credit for its honest and responsible work, their account of the new totals still failed to place the figures in any meaningful perspective. For instance, the analysis failed to note that the overwhelming majority of the 110,600 dead met their demise at the hands of terrorist violence or sectarian strife; only a tiny minority (perhaps 10% or less) of all casualties occurred at the hands of the Americans or other coalition forces. The AP account does take note of the fact that the Health Ministry figures show that 59,957 of their reported 87,215 deaths (or more than two thirds) occurred in 2006 and 2007 “when sectarian attacks soared and death squads roamed the streets. The period was marked by catastrophic bombings and execution style killings.” The story might have added that the Americans perpetrated none of these mass killings, and instead fought heroically to bring them to an end.

In another area, the description of the new calculations lacked an essential element of context, never noting that other recent conflicts in the region produced far more horrendous death tolls. In the Iran-Iraq War of 1980-88, for instance, more than 200,000 Iraqis died – a much higher percentage of a significantly smaller overall population. That conflict also claimed the lives of at least 1,000,000 Iranians.

Meanwhile, the little noted Algerian Civil War (in which Islamist extremists have challenged the government since 1991) has claimed at least 150,000 deaths, and probably more than 200,000—nearly all of them civilians butchered in the same random, brutal and often suicidal attacks responsible for most of the bloodshed in Iraq. With the Algerian and Iraqi populations essentially the same, the rate of death in this grisly but seldom-reported conflict has been even more horrendous than the blood-letting in Iraq.

Of course the Lebanese Civil War of 1975-1990 produced the most devastating results of any struggle in recent Middle Eastern history – with an estimated 250,000 dead, and at least 500,000 more suffering permanent disabilities. In a nation of less than 5,000,000, this loss of life exceeds the Iraqi casualty rate by more than twelve to one.

The relevance of these other conflicts ought to be obvious – since they all reflect (as does the Iraq War) the singularly brutal, blood-thirsty nature of local conflicts involving Arab-against-Arab, and Muslim-against-Muslim. In each of these wars, the most significant American role (which is very much the case in Iraq) involved efforts to stop or to minimize the bloodshed.

The new figures on Iraqi casualties, when placed in the proper context of who did most of the killing, and with reminders of even bloodier struggles of the recent past, show the hollowness and falsehood of hysterical denunciations of the US effort to bring down Saddam Hussein and establish a functioning democracy in the heart of the turbulent Middle East.



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DocInsight writes: Wednesday, April, 29, 2009 11:54 PM
Bob Munck
Consider it a general question for those who routinely quarrel with the Right posters here. In this case, it would be the author with whom you have a quarrel. Perhaps I was making a "preemptive strike".
sloandog writes: Wednesday, April, 29, 2009 10:33 PM
Could have been a lot less.
If we were allowed to execute a real war there would have been less casualties on both sides.We should have kicked a$$ and got out.When are we going to learn you can't win a PC war,you have to be ruthless and play to win.Our enemies neither respect or fear us,so we can look forward to plenty of challenges in the future.
Bob Munck writes: Wednesday, April, 29, 2009 9:35 PM
DocInsight 9:24 PM
"Vlad, Frank, Munck, etc. ... Is it possible ..."

I can't figure out which of my comments on this thread you're responding to. Please specify.
DocInsight writes: Wednesday, April, 29, 2009 9:24 PM
Vlad, Frank, Munck, etc.
Is it possible to allow Medved to raise the question concerning the wild over-estimates of Iraqi civilian deaths in a war zone without attacking his character?

Does he minimize the value of those lives in some way or is he merely trying to generate some context within which to consider the loss of life in a war? And who was most responsible for the majority of civilian deaths?

Do you harbor the same outrage towards the US forces killing German civilians in WWII? Or Italians? (Germany didn't attack us, so why did we attack them?) Your moral outrage seems simplistic given the care our troops take in defeating a cowardly, devious, barbaric enemy.
Bruno Strozek writes: Wednesday, April, 29, 2009 4:28 PM
A Necessary Correction
It was only a matter of time before someone asked The One the obvious question (as they did Bush): How many dead in Iraq?

At that moment, he would have been put in a position of having to repudiate the math of his base.

That problem is now solved.
Fat Man writes: Wednesday, April, 29, 2009 4:03 PM
Based on this correction

Will the Obama Administration now claim to have saved almost 1 million Iraqis?

Bea writes: Wednesday, April, 29, 2009 2:49 PM
Paddie.....You are waaaaayyyy tooo nice:
Your post....."It takes too much effort....
....to type Vlad and Frank and Rachel and Munckey boy. From now on, they are the "Wild and Consistent Exaggerators".

Sorry Paddy, "wild and consistent exaggerators"?
is a description that is rather benign for the vicious, deceitful, quadruplet rouges who lie, distort and swindle the truth on every thread.
vladimir estragon writes: Wednesday, April, 29, 2009 2:32 PM
Trident
No, I've never been to Iraq.

"They are third world, and better off now, than under Hussien's rule."

I didn't say they weren't 'third world,' I said the Iraqi people weren't 'backwards third world.' And I wasn't making comparisons of what's better or worse, I said I felt sorry for people who went from one reign of terror to another.
Trident Warrior writes: Wednesday, April, 29, 2009 2:28 PM
Never been there, have you Vladimir
I also think it's an awful shame that the Iraqis - who are a fairly sophisticated people, not some backwards third-world fly trap - went from the depravities of the Saddam regime to the anarchic terrors of the occupation.


http://www.nationsonline.org/oneworld/third_world_countries .htm

They are third world, and better off now, than under Hussien's rule.



miss vicky writes: Wednesday, April, 29, 2009 2:27 PM
Waiting 4 Os promise 2 bring troops back
The misleading Obama carried on about the expensive, deadly Iraq war and vowed to start removing a brigade,, every few months, AS SOON AS HE WAS ELECTED PRESIDENT! Another promise bites the dust! How does Obama, the great pretender, get away with all the false spin and no follow through? As well as to pass the buck and pleads, "I didn't know about the Plane Photo opt mistake" AND THE Pork/earmarks AND THE Bonuses AND THE tax cheats I picked to lead AND THE military extra money sqeeze ('O' stopped it after the uproar) AND THE 'no' torture indictments, yet they still try AND THE it's inappropriate for the President to get involved in the 'Pirate' incident but when success came, Obama was suddenly the Decider all along, I could go on and on. Ex Democrat
vladimir estragon writes: Wednesday, April, 29, 2009 1:59 PM
NeoPondScum
"All class and an impudent Liar."

Show me where I lied.
vladimir estragon writes: Wednesday, April, 29, 2009 1:51 PM
Frank
I'll say this for Paddy - he knows the difference between a "democracy" and a "republic."

Other than that, he's just something else to wipe off your shoes when you go in the house.
paddy o'furniture writes: Wednesday, April, 29, 2009 1:22 PM
Neo....
Vlad would have been the guy in WWII saying that Tojo and Hitler were not so bad as to be worth the deaths of HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of young men.

Then, as now, he would be wrong....

Freedom comes with a huge price. Why this country now chooses to voluntarily place the chains of slavery around our own ankles is beyond me....
paddy o'furniture writes: Wednesday, April, 29, 2009 1:19 PM
It takes too much effort....
....to type Vlad and Frank and Rachel and Munckey boy. From now on, they are the Wild and Consistent Exaggerators....or WaCkEes for short (hey....I was Navy)
NeoConScum writes: Wednesday, April, 29, 2009 1:06 PM
Cowpoke...Vladdy Is ALL About Civility..
So are his buds. This is well known.

25-Million Iraqis liberated from Saddam's butchers' pit and this doofus uses our behavior in the same breath as the filler of Rape Rooms & hundreds of Mass Burial Pits.

All class and an impudent Liar.
vladimir estragon writes: Wednesday, April, 29, 2009 12:14 PM
Shame and ugliness
"Rosie Is busy lets get another southpaw with as much on the ball as Rosie Lets get Vlad Frank Rachel or Bob Munck in here."

Dear Big Sky,

I don't consider myself qualified in any way to verify how many Iraqis have died in the last six years, let alone who was responsible.

I also think it's an awful shame that the Iraqis - who are a fairly sophisticated people, not some backwards third-world fly trap - went from the depravities of the Saddam regime to the anarchic terrors of the occupation.

But what I REALLY find hateful and offensive when one side or the other talks about deaths in the hundreds of thousands using a "See! I told you so!" tone of voice. And it looks like that's the first thing that popped into your and Col Guano's minds.
Royinoslo writes: Wednesday, April, 29, 2009 12:10 PM
The Big Defense is yet to come
Mr. Medved, your rationale is quite good for those who don't value human life, especially non-white human life and Muslim human life, but it's more pertinent you explain this to St. Peter at the Pearly Gates.
Vampire's Reflection writes: Wednesday, April, 29, 2009 11:59 AM
Laughable
"For instance, the analysis failed to note that the overwhelming majority of the 110,600 dead met their demise at the hands of terrorist violence or sectarian strife;"

Of course that sectarian strife would have never happened if we hadn't overthrown the government.

This of course underlines Medved's moral depravity: murder is ok as long as you can create conditions whereby you are only indirectly responsible.

George Bush Sr. called this death by indirect responsibility "opening the gates of hell" in his book explaining why he stopped at overthrowing Saddam. In fact John Kerry asked Bush Jr. why he didn't heed his Father's advice in one of the presidential debates.

Between the depravity of torture and opening the gates of hell, one gets a pretty clear picture of modern conservative morality.

Fortunately for those of us who do have morals, being indirectly responsible matters and we empathize with those 100,000 deaths we are indirectly responsible for: the 3,000 deaths on 9/11 do not justify opening the gates of hell resulting did.

We are responsible.


Big Sky Cowboy writes: Wednesday, April, 29, 2009 11:58 AM
Rosie
Is busy lets get another southpaw with as much on the ball as Rosie Lets get Vlad Frank Rachel or Bob Munck in here.
Col Bat Guano writes: Wednesday, April, 29, 2009 11:38 AM
Quick!
Someone call Rosie O'Donnell for an opposing "expert" viewpoint!
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