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Monday, June 29, 2009
Sometimes It's OK to "Meddle"
Posted by: Carol Platt Liebau at 7:48 PM
As long as it's in Honduras, not Iran, apparently.  Please, please let's not go down the road that seems so beloved of so many on the left . . . only speaking out when it's in support of a government that's hostile to the U.S.

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NeoConScum writes: Monday, June, 29, 2009 8:09 PM
Hey, Dammit...Hugo, Fidel & Danny O Are
upset about this unacceptable ouster of a Leftist rolling up the power...So, why can't that lover of Freedom & Liberty, The Bamma?!
Careful with that axe, Eugene writes: Monday, June, 29, 2009 8:21 PM
The military seizing power
is ALWAYS unacceptable.

Unlike Iran, where none of you guys can clearly say Amhadihijad really lost.

It isn't just Castro and Chavez, it is nearly every other leader in Latin America that is denouncing what is happening in Honduras, and for good reason. This is a region with a long, dreadful history of the military seizing power at the slightest crisis, usually with awful results, and often with the approval and backing of the "Gringos".

None of this matters to the NeoCons, who only have a high-school level understanding of history.
COLDPLAYLOVER writes: Monday, June, 29, 2009 8:23 PM
gosh, guess Obama isn't
what you think he is.

Nicaragua is in our backyard, Carol. It is management, Carol. None of this matters to the neocons.

Obama does it=bad. Same old song. Obama derangement theory.
Tom Ketchum  writes: Monday, June, 29, 2009 8:29 PM
let hondurans settle this
Everything I'm reading indicates most hondurans are glad to be rid of Zelaya. It is the hondurans who need to settle this
Bea writes: Monday, June, 29, 2009 8:40 PM
IT IS CLEAR THAT BO is NOT...
...for "freedom" loving citizens. It took him eleven (11) days to even stutter anything about Iran: never once condoning the non-violent protests for "freedom" even when the concerned Iranian citizens were being murdered in the streets.

BUT......it was an almost immediate response regarding the "freedom" loving citizens of Honduras. BO sided against the "freedom" fighters, and shockingly, with Chavez and Castro. It appears that BO (Obama) supports dictators against the "freedom" fighters around the world.

*As Martin Luther King, Jr. once said: "The hottest place in Hell is reserved for those who remain neutral in times of great moral conflict."

BO remained neutral for 11 days re: Iran; but, screamed foul within 24 hours as to the illegality(?) of the "freedom" fighters in Honduras. The people in Honduras noted that President Zelaya was in the process of disassembling their Constitution.

Sound familiar folks??? BO and his minions are also attempting to distroy our "US Constitution". He has succeeded, in some instances, by government takeovers of most of our financial and industrial entities.

Now, can you see the genesis of his displaced empathy vs. his outrage???? Grow a brain people!!! Please grow a brain.

*Reference to Martin Luther King, Jr's. quote per "Glenn Beck's Common Sense" book. Thank you Glenn. Great book!!!!
foxmustang writes: Monday, June, 29, 2009 8:47 PM
ODummer says......
"No meddling in Iran's business.....yada...yada...yada......"

But he really likes telling the Israelis how they should be dealing with the Palestinians......

Hypocrisy..........thy name is Obama......
BK writes: Monday, June, 29, 2009 8:50 PM
Obama
seems to side with those of similar political views....Castro, Chavez, Zeleya!

Shouldn't be a surprise to fellow Marxist Socialists!
peacefrog writes: Monday, June, 29, 2009 8:58 PM
Eugene
The military didn't seize power.

The Hondurian Supreme court orderd the army to arrest Zelya, and the Hondurian pres. elections will be held as scheduled.

All this happend AFTER the Supreme court RULED Zelya's attemp to ALTER the Hondurian constitution un-constitutional.

This should be handeled internally by the Hondurians

This is none of the OAS's or Odumbo's business.
DanNV writes: Monday, June, 29, 2009 9:00 PM
The key to Obama foreign policy
Honduras is not an actual threat to the United States. For that matter, neither is Israel. So what the heck, get tough with those who do not threaten our national security. But under no circumstances are we to take a tough and "meddling" approach to our real enemies like North Korea and Iran.

But then, Barack Obama is too busy trying to take over this country to be worried about rival despots in other nations.
peacefrog writes: Monday, June, 29, 2009 9:03 PM
Coldplay/ 8:23pm
Nicaragua? What about'em?
paddy o'furniture writes: Monday, June, 29, 2009 9:46 PM
Quick,.....name one....
....democracy Obama supports.....

No, this is not a trick question......

.....and yes, that includes ours.......
Big Sky Cowboy writes: Monday, June, 29, 2009 10:07 PM
Paddy
Ummmmmmmmmmm I give up.
Careful with that axe, Eugene writes: Monday, June, 29, 2009 10:11 PM
Froggy
"Eugene
The military didn't seize power.

The Hondurian Supreme court orderd the army to arrest Zelya, and the Hondurian pres. elections will be held as scheduled.

All this happend AFTER the Supreme court RULED Zelya's attemp to ALTER the Hondurian constitution un-constitutional.

This should be handeled internally by the Hondurians

This is none of the OAS's or Odumbo's business."

The OAS, the UN and most of the world has condemned the Honduran military's action, and rightfully so.

Honduras was the original "Banana Republic" - i.e. one where Banana companies had an inordinate influence on political power. Military Coups are part of the history. The idea that the military can overthrow the government is frankly, quite a chilling precendent, regardless of the ELECTED president's bad behavior.
NOTW writes: Monday, June, 29, 2009 10:30 PM
TOTUS
Did anyone catch the mornings POTUS on TV? I don't think he had an audience while speaking. But he had his two friends, the TOTUS twins. It was dizzying to watch his head bobble back and forth like he was front row at Wimbledon. Could someone from administration that may actually read TH get a message to him.

LOOK US IN THE EYE when speaking to us. Its disigenuous to be a bobble head.
Legally Remove BO writes: Monday, June, 29, 2009 10:45 PM
Bea I agree with U. We all need 2 B
forming Grand Juries to INDICT bo and remove him from office.

Here are some instructions that the average Patriot could act on:

1) Advertise and Promote the Fact that you are forming a Grand Jury in Blogs, Local Newspapers and Community Organizations.
2) Form the Grand Jury and select a Foreman.
3) Select a Private Attorney General to make Presentments to Grand Jury, if local DA refuses to make presentments.
4) Select a convenient Meeting Place.
4) Communicate with all Citizens who have criminal information to present.
6) Schedule presentments by said Citizens.
7) Subpoena documents from Government Offices and Officials.
8) Schedule presentment of said Documents to Grand Jury by Grand Jury Attorney General.
7. Have Grand Jury Attorney General present said Documents to Grand Jury.
8) After investigation and deliberation is completed, vote and issue a True Bill (Indictment) or No True Bill.
9) Announce all Indictments to the Press.
10) Serve the Indictment on the Judiciary for the Issuance of Arrest Warrants.

http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2009/06/how-to-start-and- lead-citizens-grand.html
Apolitical writes: Monday, June, 29, 2009 10:46 PM
Hey Axe Eugene
The military didn't 'seize' power. The congress and the supreme court did. The military works differently in Honduras than it does here. They have policing and law enforcement responsibilities that our military only has in times of emergency. If you had a grade-school understanding of Honduras, you would know that. I doubt you have a grade-school understanding of American civics. I also doubt you even know what a neocon is. If you did, you would observe that there aren't any neocons in this discussion thread. That makes you wrong on all counts. That makes you a moron. Do yourself a favor and take your fingers off the keyboard.
Eugene writes: Monday, June, 29, 2009 10:47 PM
AX
Yeah we know. The answer is always NEVER until it's something you want.

Don't ask me to believe that you find it impossible to imagine a circumstance when the left in this country would have supported a move by SCOTUS to have the Joint Chiefs remove the Bush/Cheney et. al. machine.

Would you still have declared it "always unacceptable"
sloandog writes: Monday, June, 29, 2009 11:03 PM
The Hondurans may have something here!
I can see why Obama feels threatened.
Legally Remove BO writes: Monday, June, 29, 2009 11:12 PM
bo needs 2 clean up his own mess!
Obama is NOT the only Political FRAUD! Want to LEGALLY remove Obama from POTUS? Start HERE:


Judge Tom w. Brothers and a Partner in Karl Dean's favorite FIRM, Bass Berry & Sims, were INDICTED once and Tom w. Brothers and Bass Berry and Sims will be INDICTED again and CONVICTED this time.

When Nashville Judge Tom w. Brothers was first INDICTED for Drug Money Laundering Karl Dean was the Public Defender FIXING Cases his Wife's FIRM, Bass, Berry & Sims.

According to an old Law School friend of mine who was working for the DEA when Tom Brothers was INDICTED for DRUG MONEY Laundering, Bass, Berry & Sims was the biggest Drug Money Laundering FIRM in the Southeast.

My DEA Agent Friend's words were similar to what Phil Williams of http://www.NewsChannel5.com wrote about Russell Brothers. According to Phil Williams, Russell Brothers was a "Giant among Giants" in the Drug Smuggling Business.

Somehow the Deans accumulated a "reported" Fortune of $100 Million despite the fact that they both grew up poor. The cover story spun by the Deans is that Ms. Dean's STINGY MISER Uncle gave her the money.

Coincidentally, the Deans' cover story was similar to Tom Brothers' cover story about where the money that he was LAUNDERING for his Convicted FELON Uncle Russell's Drug Money came from.

Tom Brothers testified at his trial that he thought, "Uncle Russell got the millions from selling insurance for CNA."

Nashville Judge Tom W. Brothers and Mayor Karl Dean were major Obama Supporters in 2008.
Eugene writes: Monday, June, 29, 2009 11:14 PM
sloandog
oh yeah..

can't have any of this.....
Legally Remove BO writes: Monday, June, 29, 2009 11:17 PM
SloanDog here's what we need to do
http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2009/06/how-to-start-and- lead-citizens-grand.html

Here are some instructions that the average Patriot could act on:

1) Advertise and Promote the Fact that you are forming a Grand Jury in Blogs, Local Newspapers and Community Organizations.
2) Form the Grand Jury and select a Foreman.
3) Select a Private Attorney General to make Presentments to Grand Jury, if local DA refuses to make presentments.
4) Select a convenient Meeting Place.
4) Communicate with all Citizens who have criminal information to present.
6) Schedule presentments by said Citizens.
7) Subpoena documents from Government Offices and Officials.
8) Schedule presentment of said Documents to Grand Jury by Grand Jury Attorney General.
7. Have Grand Jury Attorney General present said Documents to Grand Jury.
8) After investigation and deliberation is completed, vote and issue a True Bill (Indictment) or No True Bill.
9) Announce all Indictments to the Press.
10) Serve the Indictment on the Judiciary for the Issuance of Arrest Warrants.
J writes: Monday, June, 29, 2009 11:50 PM
This demonstrates
that the current foreign policy is nothing more than a political smoke screen. Lets compare the two recent incidents

IRAN
3 progressively 'stern' (sort of ) responses, not one containing the words freedom nor democracy (which is what the people of Iran want)...oh and all under the pretext of not wanting to 'meddle' in a sovereign country's affairs. Iran is a Theocratic Dictatorship....the last one we didnt like (as well as the leader being a threat) we over threw and gave them the birth of a democracy.

Honduras
this was NOT a military coupe. The military was acting on orders from the judicial system after the president overstepped his constitutional bounds. They then gave responsibility of running the country back to the legislature. The President was a puppet for Chavez and Castro. We handle it by telling them NOT to OVERTHROW the Socialistic president who was overstepping his authority.

WHAT THE HELL is GOING ON IN WASHINGTON. THIS IS SOO FRESHMAN INEXPERIENCED DIPLOMACY. (or lack there of). Where did these goons come from? Thats what all you touchy feely hope and change BOTS get for being played.

Corndog writes: Tuesday, June, 30, 2009 5:53 AM
Now here's some real 'HOPE'

I HOPE our military was taking notes.
Careful with that axe, Eugene writes: Tuesday, June, 30, 2009 6:04 AM
Other Eugene
AX
Yeah we know. The answer is always NEVER until it's something you want.

Don't ask me to believe that you find it impossible to imagine a circumstance when the left in this country would have supported a move by SCOTUS to have the Joint Chiefs remove the Bush/Cheney et. al. machine.

Would you still have declared it "always unacceptable"

Me- Given how conservative the US military is, it strikes me as unlikely they'd have moved against Bush. Still, I've talked to lots of military types who told me they considered Bush to be a complete moron.

We have methods of removing bad presidents. We have elections, we have impeachment, we have the 22nd Amendment that keeps them from overstaying their welcome.

What we don't have is ANY mechanism for the unelected Supreme Court to order the Unelected Military to remove an elected President, and that's the way it should be.
Legally Remove BO writes: Tuesday, June, 30, 2009 6:18 AM
Honduras sounds like what may happen
in US if bo doesn't voluntarily submit to arrest when SCOTUS orders him removed.
Bea writes: Tuesday, June, 30, 2009 8:00 AM
J.....(6-29-09 @ 11:50 PM):
Per the above-referenced post.....I agree completely!!! Particularly your very last paragraph....(see below).

J says: "WHAT THE HELL is GOING ON IN WASHINGTON. THIS IS SOO FRESHMAN INEXPERIENCED DIPLOMACY. (or lack there of). Where did these goons come from? Thats what all you touchy feely hope and change BOTS get for being played."

Thank you, J, for "thinking" sooo clearly. THINKING is an imperative, functional prerequisite to achieve rational judgements.


SJA writes: Tuesday, June, 30, 2009 8:01 AM
Peacefrog
"The Hondurian Supreme court orderd the army to arrest Zelya, and the Hondurian pres. elections will be held as scheduled.

All this happend AFTER the Supreme court RULED Zelya's attemp to ALTER the Hondurian constitution un-constitutional."

Unfortunately, Obama would like to do as Zelya tried to do. Obama would like to claim our constitution is unconstitutional. We see his actions each day proving that this is his agenda. Obama has a problem with these people trying to uphold their constitution. Of course he would. When will people start to get it.

Tom Ketchum  writes: Tuesday, June, 30, 2009 8:10 AM
Obama
is looking more and more like Carter.His inept ,timid reactions to world events have weakened us far more than the war in Iraq . Germany and Hungary are cutting taxes to increase economic growth and Obama follows the Carter pattern of if it moves tax it . What a disaster, It makes me envy the Hondurans .
clarityseeker writes: Tuesday, June, 30, 2009 9:20 AM
Wiser words not spoken by man
"You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that my dear friend, is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it."
Adrian Rogers
KayAnn writes: Tuesday, June, 30, 2009 9:35 AM
US Dole already has skin in it
As well as various Bush/Reagan neocons. As for Iran, well it seems that the neocons and the hardliners on the Right haven't made a very good argument for revisiting past mistakes.
sceptczny writes: Tuesday, June, 30, 2009 9:56 AM
Freedom is overrated
You neocon nutters need to get over your histrionics and just accept that we have a leftist President who does NOT think that outdated ideas like "family values", "fiscal responsibility", "strong foreign policy" and "honesty" are as important as winning and keeping power.

Just like Zelaya, Obama knows this fascist country's constitution is now ours to shred and rewrite however we see fit. Those not aligned with our views will have no place and no voice here. All the at "bipartisanship" garbage was just a lie to make the moderates vote for us, and they fell for it! Suckers!

Neocon nutters should just accept it.
RonnaRonna writes: Tuesday, June, 30, 2009 10:02 AM
KayAnn
What a stupid remark - Freedom is over rated??? It just shows that you won't know what hit you when YOUR freedom is taken by your Messiah. Drones like you don't deserve freedom.
Eugene writes: Tuesday, June, 30, 2009 10:12 AM
AX
"Me- Given how conservative the US military is, it strikes me as unlikely they'd have moved against Bush. Still, I've talked to lots of military types who told me they considered Bush to be a complete moron"

Non sequitur pal. Not the question I asked. Nice try though. You're always good for a laugh. You fall into the Bush trap so easily.

Remember now, I am questioning your statement that the military should NEVER be involved in the changing of power.

So I'll ask you AX. When a rogue American administration ( of either stripe) ignores a legal action (impeachment, term limit) and attempts to continue to hold power by means of force, who do you think is responsible for restoring order?

The Boy Scouts????
DanNV writes: Tuesday, June, 30, 2009 10:13 AM
Obama the Brave
The news media is all over Barack Obama's tough position on Honduras. They are as vociferous on this issue as they were silent on Obama's equal silence on Iran.

In spite of the fact that a very good case has been made that the government in Honduras acted properly in ousting Zelya, liberals are in lockstep with dear leader. Do these people ever think for themselves?

It is cause for more than just concern when the President of the United States and his mindless minions find it OK to "meddle" in the actions of a democratic nation but cower in a collective huddle in the face of a theocratic dictatorship.

It very much appears that if the government of Honduras had not acted as it did, their former president intended to pull a Chavez. And this is what Obama defends. The world is watching "YOU" Barack Obama and I don't think they like what they see.
Legally Remove BO writes: Tuesday, June, 30, 2009 10:21 AM
obots tactics R juvenile like bo their
FEARFUL "leader." Guess that is what happens when your grandpa let's Frank Marshall Davis have his way with you. PATHETIC!

Here are some instructions that the average Patriot could act on:

1) Advertise and Promote the Fact that you are forming a Grand Jury in Blogs, Local Newspapers and Community Organizations.
2) Form the Grand Jury and select a Foreman.
3) Select a Private Attorney General to make Presentments to Grand Jury, if local DA refuses to make presentments.
4) Select a convenient Meeting Place.
4) Communicate with all Citizens who have criminal information to present.
6) Schedule presentments by said Citizens.
7) Subpoena documents from Government Offices and Officials.
8) Schedule presentment of said Documents to Grand Jury by Grand Jury Attorney General.
7. Have Grand Jury Attorney General present said Documents to Grand Jury.
8) After investigation and deliberation is completed, vote and issue a True Bill (Indictment) or No True Bill.
9) Announce all Indictments to the Press.
10) Serve the Indictment on the Judiciary for the Issuance of Arrest Warrants.

http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2009/06/how-to-start-and- lead-citizens-grand.html
mccullough writes: Tuesday, June, 30, 2009 10:22 AM
RonnaRonna
Just so you know, idiot, the "kayann" you refer to here in your post is actually one of your own nitwits stealing monikers again.

Get a clue morons. The witless diatribes that are posted here are from your own miserable, cowardly numnuts.
mccullough writes: Tuesday, June, 30, 2009 10:25 AM
wingnuts always meddle
Unless it is their own porn collection that someone wants to tax or put strict sanctions on or regulate.
vladimir estragon writes: Tuesday, June, 30, 2009 10:32 AM
Paddy
"Quick,.....name one....
....democracy Obama supports.....

No, this is not a trick question......"

It's not a trick question, it's a stupid question.

Name a democracy that Bush supported.

DUH! U.S. presidents don't "support" different democracies.

Or are you trying to say that Obama doesn't "support" Great Britain or Germany?
RonnaRonna writes: Tuesday, June, 30, 2009 10:39 AM
Terrapin
You're insane! Someone should report you missing from the nearby loony bin immediately before you hurt yourself.

Do you even read posts you nose in on? KayAnn is NOT a likeminded Conservative; I do not claim her as being one of us. She is a fool as you are, but just keep drinking the Obama Kool Aid, because your freedom is about to be lost with the rest of us because doing a evil man's bidding will not prevent you from going down when this ship sinks.
Bea writes: Tuesday, June, 30, 2009 10:40 AM
KayAnn, (6-30-09 @ 9:56 AM):
Well, well, well, the polycephalic entity,...per the "entire" above-referenced post, really bested her/his/it's usual harpy spew.

I especially enjoyed your immense, 43 word, first sentence of admission as to your decisive affirmation of treachery:

KayAnn says:...."You neocon nutters need to get over your histrionics and just accept that "we" have a leftist President who does NOT think that outdated ideas like "family values", "fiscal responsibility", "strong foreign policy" and "honesty" are as important as winning and keeping power."

Second paragraph....please note the multiple use of the pronouns: "ours", "we", "our", "us". Hmmmm, sounds to me like you are a spokesperson for BO!

KayAnn says:...."Just like Zelaya, Obama knows this fascist country's constitution is now "ours" to shred and rewrite however "we" see fit. Those not aligned with "our" views will have no place and no voice here. All the at "bipartisanship" garbage was just a lie to make the moderates vote for "us", and they fell for it! Suckers!"

I have made multiple copies and intend to email this to specific organizations.

Thank you for the heads up, KayAnn!!!! Your irrevocable stance as to your "Freedom is overrated" post is disgustingly stunning!!!



Observer (aka David) writes: Tuesday, June, 30, 2009 10:41 AM
Impeachment
This was not a coup - it was an impeachment by the legislature and conviction by the Court.

Exeye writes: Tuesday, June, 30, 2009 10:42 AM
OAS and UN condemnation...
...is like the old Soviet Union bitching about Solidarity.
Exeye writes: Tuesday, June, 30, 2009 10:44 AM
Given their recent elections, Vlad
...not anymore.
KayAnn writes: Tuesday, June, 30, 2009 10:49 AM
Bea

I don't know who is writing under my name (see a posting here under "kayann Tuesday, June, 30, 2009 9:59 AM).

How is this done? Is there a breach in the Townhall security system? Whatever our differences are, I should think that this kind of deceptive practice would be something you guys would not appreciate from one of your own. I'm guessing it's a kid with computer savvy.
Legally Remove BO writes: Tuesday, June, 30, 2009 10:52 AM
bo's WATERGATE!
Obama is NOT the only Political FRAUD! Want to LEGALLY remove Obama from POTUS? Start HERE:

There is an ongoing criminal conspiracy among Obama supporters in Nashville to cover up crimes committed by his campaign in 2007, 2008 and 2009. These crimes include, but are not limited to, VOTER FRAUD, IDENTITY THEFT, COMPUTER THEFT, INVASION OF PRIVACY and petty BURGLARIES similar to WATERGATE.

Judge Tom w. Brothers and a Partner in Karl Dean's favorite FIRM, Bass Berry & Sims, were INDICTED once and Tom w. Brothers and Bass Berry and Sims will be INDICTED again and CONVICTED this time.

When Nashville Judge Tom w. Brothers was first INDICTED for Drug Money Laundering Karl Dean was the Public Defender FIXING Cases his Wife's FIRM, Bass, Berry & Sims.

According to an old Law School friend of mine who was working for the DEA when Tom Brothers was INDICTED for DRUG MONEY Laundering, Bass, Berry & Sims was the biggest Drug Money Laundering FIRM in the Southeast.

My DEA Agent Friend's words were similar to what Phil Williams of http://www.NewsChannel5.com wrote about Russell Brothers. According to Phil Williams, Russell Brothers was a "Giant among Giants" in the Drug Smuggling Business.

Somehow the Deans accumulated a "reported" Fortune of $100 Million despite the fact that they both grew up poor. The cover story spun by the Deans is that Ms. Dean's STINGY MISER Uncle gave her the money.

Coincidentally, the Deans' cover story was similar to Tom Brothers' cover story about where the money that he was LAUNDERING for his Convicted FELON Uncle Russell's Drug Money came from.

Tom Brothers testified at his trial that he thought, "Uncle Russell got the millions from selling insurance for CNA."
vladimir estragon writes: Tuesday, June, 30, 2009 10:55 AM
Exeye
"Given their recent elections, Vlad...not anymore."

Obama no longer "supports" German democracy?

Get in line with Paddy.
vladimir estragon writes: Tuesday, June, 30, 2009 10:57 AM
Noms de keyboard
So why has Ronna morphed into RonnaRonna?
Legally Remove BO writes: Tuesday, June, 30, 2009 11:02 AM
NOT impeachment N Honduras Legal Removal
The same thing that needs to be done to bo in US.

http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2009/06/how-to-start-and- lead-citizens-grand.html
RonnaRonna writes: Tuesday, June, 30, 2009 11:05 AM
Vladimir
To answer your question; my computer crashed, I lost Th and when I went to sign in again it told me 'Ronna' was already in use and I couldn't get around it. Since I didn't want to lose MY name, I just added a Ronna. I am (the original Ronna,) would never deny that I am Ronna. Should I sign Ronna at the bottom of each post so that everyone will know that I am Ronna??? I will from now on be known as Ronna, get it?

It doesn't seem to bother you that some of your left loony friends have changed their monikers up to 7 or 8 times though does it? Hypocrite!!
Cuban Pete writes: Tuesday, June, 30, 2009 11:18 AM
First of all...
...this is about Honduras, not the USA. It was Zelaya who "drew first blood" in a blatant attempt to usurp more power than the constitution of his own country allowed him.

He was more inept than Fidel who took over Cuba himself by violent revolution, but consolidated his power carefully before becoming the supreme leader there. He was also more inept than Hugo, who at least got himself elected initially, then manipulated the government machinery until he could amend the constitution to make himself supreme leader for life.

Thank God that for the Honduran people, their inept banana-republic-marxist wannabbe had not consolidated his power base enough. There was enough oppostion to throw his arse out. Good riddance.
sloandog writes: Tuesday, June, 30, 2009 11:28 AM
Could Obama suffer the same fate?
It's entirely in the realm of possibility.The perfect storm that everybody couldn't believe happen is rapidly approaching.Obama's policies are sapping the middle class of wealth,forcing manufacturing off shore,unemployment is growing faster than estimated,we are printing money at an alarming rate which in turn ALWAYS results in inflation,the only sector that is growing is the government and that calls for more lending and higher taxes.The tipping point will come when our currency is no longer accepted in international transactions and that has already started.Still don't think it can happen?Talk to me in six months.
Bea writes: Tuesday, June, 30, 2009 11:50 AM
KayAnn...Are you saying the post...
...that I responded to above was not yours???

KayAnn writes: Tuesday, June, 30, 2009 10:49 AM
"Bea: I don't know who is writing under my name (see a posting here under "kayann Tuesday, June, 30, 2009 9:59 AM)."

KayAnn says: "How is this done? Is there a breach in the Townhall security system? Whatever our differences are, I should think that this kind of deceptive practice would be something you guys would not appreciate from one of your own. I'm guessing it's a kid with computer savvy."

Bea says: KayAnn, I do not know how it could possibly be accomplished. I am not computer savvy in that regard. My skills are optimal...but only relegated to my particular profession + its interconnected, ancillary research capabilities as to diverse Court House (Public) Records, etc.

I have 4 computers here, actually 5, but one, although functional, has a long gray beard: so 4. And, I do not have a clue how to do a simple name change on a an established site. I would conclude simply, in you case, that it has to be a very savvy, computer nerd who has extraordinary tech skills. Ask Mr. Munck. He indicates that he a a computer science professor. Maybe he can help, in this instance.

You are correct. Although, you and I typically are @ polar extremes politically, I would not want anyone to misrepresent my opinions/views in an adverse way as to my true passionate beliefs.

I too was a victim in May (2009) as to an 11 day off-line, TH ouster due to an "unprovoked", mysterious morph in my personal data imput. It took several hours of tedious tech support to sort out the problem. Soooo, I am at a total loss to even venture a guess as to what the problem could be.
Dread writes: Tuesday, June, 30, 2009 11:53 AM
Obama
is wrong on this one.

He should stay out of it. By all accounts, the President of Honduras was not an innocent party in this matter. He defied the Congress, the Supreme Court, the Attorney General, and his own party.

The military, by all accounts, was ordered to remove him, after he and his supporters attempted to seize ballots for his illegal initiative to change the Constitution and allow him to stay in office longer.

This is none of our business, and Obama's only statement on this should have been to that effect, as well as issuing a warning that other governments should likewise stay out of it.
Seadog writes: Tuesday, June, 30, 2009 11:59 AM
From International Business Daily:
Quoted in part:

Americas: During his campaign, President Obama made a big deal of criticizing leaders who are elected democratically but don't govern democratically. He's had a chance to show that it mattered in Honduras. He didn't.That's the sorry story as Honduras' now ex-president, Mel Zelaya, last Thursday defied a Supreme Court ruling and tried to hold a "survey" to rewrite the constitution for his permanent re-election. It's the same blueprint for a rigged political system that's made former democracies like Venezuela, Bolivia, Nicaragua and Ecuador into shells of free countries."

This article is a good discreption of what actually happened in Honduras. The Army did what it was ordered to do by the Supreme Court and Congress. The Army DID NOT act on its own!

Obama is siding with his marxist friends. Birds of feather flock togather. . .
paddy o'furniture writes: Tuesday, June, 30, 2009 12:06 PM
Exeye
Welcome to my line.

Obama has consistently shown nothing but comtempt for the leaders of Germany and UK, and there is no doubt in my mind that he would socialize those two countries given the opportunity..... He is no supporter of democracy, and in line with HIM are Chavez, Castro et al.....

As usual, beater boy is a few facts short of a truth.
paddy o'furniture writes: Tuesday, June, 30, 2009 12:07 PM
Ronna
Most of us understand things like that....

You don't owe any explanations to that....gnat.
Legally Remove BO writes: Tuesday, June, 30, 2009 12:13 PM
Nuclear Strike on Iran on 9/9/09???
Approximately 1 hour and 5 minutes into the Broadcast an Iranian Freedom Fighter announce that there will be Tactical Nuclear Strikes on Iran on 9.9.09 if bo fails to act to remove the TERRORIST regime from Iran.

http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2009/06/surprise-caller-w ith-news-from-iran-way.html
vladimir estragon writes: Tuesday, June, 30, 2009 12:20 PM
RonnaRonna
"It doesn't seem to bother you that some of your left loony friends have changed their monikers up to 7 or 8 times though does it? Hypocrite!!"

All I asked was a simple question. Aren't you glad you're not like liberals who get all emotional over stuff?
vladimir estragon writes: Tuesday, June, 30, 2009 12:23 PM
Paddy
"Obama has consistently shown nothing but comtempt for the leaders of Germany and UK, and there is no doubt in my mind that he would socialize those two countries given the opportunity."

Wow, you really think so? What would he do, put in universal healthcare? Unemployment benefits for all? Sounds pretty radical!
COLDPLAYLOVER writes: Tuesday, June, 30, 2009 12:37 PM
Paddy
You said
"Obama has consistently shown nothing but comtempt for the leaders of Germany and UK, and there is no doubt in my mind that he would socialize those two countries given the opportunity."

That isn't even close to true. Gordon Brown lauds Obama every time he gets the chance. The Queen herself broke protocol by putting her arm FIRST around Michelle's waist because the Obamas are real folks. Merkel was here last week and the photos of her and Obama are far more friendly looking than when Bush but a bear hug on her. And Merkel is critical of our cap and trade bill so far because it does not go far enough.

You also obviously spend little time in either country because their social safety nets are far, far more comprehensive and 'socialistic' than anything Obama has even proposed. Most of your TH commentators and brethren bloggers seem to think Europe, which includes UK and Germany, are already socialist countries because they say that Obama wants us to be like them, and they are socialists.

Is it that hard to remember from month to month what the GOP talking points are?

Don't Tread On Me writes: Tuesday, June, 30, 2009 12:44 PM
OK KayAnn- Clarify please
Just which parts of your (?)9:56AM post do you NOT agree with?

It's hard for me to discern the "legitimate" "witless diatribe" from your doppelganger's.
paddy o'furniture writes: Tuesday, June, 30, 2009 12:46 PM
codliver
You obviously have a short memory. You don't remeber the wonderful "gift" the Obamas gave the queen? ...remember the return of the bust? ...remember the outrage of the British press? The fact that Gordon Brown sniffs at Obama's butt like a little lost puppy is an embarrassment.... Britain is a perfect and staggering example of what happens to a once-great country that goes left....
As for Germany, who would have thought that the head of Germany would one day be more conservative than the president of the U.S.? Astonishing. She's calling for tax cuts today.....
One can only imagine what Obama would do if he were the leader of either of those countries... We might even see the return of the wall....
KayAnn writes: Tuesday, June, 30, 2009 12:51 PM
Don't tread on me
Perhaps it is hard for you because you are the person stealing monikers. Everyone on your side of the issues here is suspect, Don't. Including you.
vladimir estragon writes: Tuesday, June, 30, 2009 12:54 PM
Paddy
"As for Germany, who would have thought that the head of Germany would one day be more conservative than the president of the U.S.?"

As Axe said, you really need to get out more. If you occasionally read something about German politics, you would know that a "conservative" German politician is "ultra-liberal" in the U.S. political spectrum, which is skewed far to the right.

Merkel is resisting American pressure to pump government money into the financial system in large part because the German people aren't as directly affected by the crisis as Americans. Why is that? Because all Germans still have health coverage and an income - even if they don't have a job.
vladimir estragon writes: Tuesday, June, 30, 2009 12:56 PM
Correction
Call-out should be to Coldplaylover, not Axe. Point stands.
paddy o'furniture writes: Tuesday, June, 30, 2009 1:09 PM
Beater boy
As usual, you chastise me for something I never said...except in your witless little gnat-brain.

I said the leader of Germany is more conservative than Obama.....and I stand by that. History will prove this out.....

Speaking of getting out more, I've been meaning to ask you....does the porn you "guys" watch have FILF's?
Don't Tread On Me writes: Tuesday, June, 30, 2009 1:11 PM
Paddy: It's surprising that colonlover
is not pre-emptively jumping all over the story regarding that sodomite researcher from Duke who offered his 5 yr old adopted son up for sex. The sick SOB lived with his "partner" in a gated "co-housing" commune.

COLDPLAYLOVER writes: Tuesday, June, 30, 2009 1:33 PM
Tread and Paddy
Tread, don't start on pedophilia. More straight men abuse little girls than gay people abusing ANY child. If it makes you happy to find little anecdotes that you think makes your side's morality hypocrisy somehow legit, go for it. Gay is a protected classification. Gays do not choose to be gay. By 2012, DODT and DOMA will be history, and people like you can just get used to a gay couple adopting children and living next door to you. You can ignore them and when you fall down on your front step because you are so old, perhaps they will look the other way and leave you there to rot. After all, you wouldn't want a male gay couple coming to your aid. One of them might be HIV positive and will give you cooties.

And you're still raging about the 'gifts'? The Brits said the Queen loves the ipod, and even better (though worse for you guys), adores the Obamas. Finally intelligent people who are charming, well dressed and well-traveled. Who wouldn't like that. David Cameron loves Obama too. (the Churchill bust was replaced by the Brits with one of Lincoln...the Churchill bust wasn't even a gift, it was on loan).

Paddy you said Obama wanted to socialize UK and Germany, now you say that they are socialized, but? Merkel isn't conservative on cap and trade, and tax cuts might work in Germany as their income tax is quite higher than ours. We pay little compared to European countries.

And "the return of the wall" demonstrates that you have never been to Berlin and talked to Germans about why the wall came down and how people changed.
Don't Tread On Me writes: Tuesday, June, 30, 2009 1:39 PM
Paddy: CPLs degeneracy is out & about!
Not a single note of outrage regarding a defenseless 5 year old child sexually abused by male homosexual pedophiles. Not one word.

Sounds like he wants to see more of that! Hopefully on DVD!

You are a sick piece of crap...
Hope you enjoy the 7th circle.
paddy o'furniture writes: Tuesday, June, 30, 2009 1:50 PM
DTOM
As usual, when a lefty quotes a post of mine back to me....it is unrecognizable as anything I ever said....

Is it reading comrehension they are so bad at.....or are they all so blatantly dieingenuous....? Their leader is a master liar....perhaps they are just emulating the Kenyan.
Don't Tread On Me writes: Tuesday, June, 30, 2009 2:22 PM
Paddy
I don't think the degenerate leftists are emulating Obama. The breed just behaves that way. No God= NO RIGHT VERSUS WRONG = no RESPECT for law = no morality (or worse, moral relativism).

They respect and want power only. Why? To what end? For the sake of having power. To control others. To make themselves kings, and others serfs. To spread their degenerate misery everywhere.

They're gonna hate the consequences...
Legally Remove BO writes: Tuesday, June, 30, 2009 2:47 PM
Liddy Show: Nuclear Strike on Iran on
9.9.09 mentioned today!

http://www.liddyshow.com/contact.php
vladimir estragon writes: Tuesday, June, 30, 2009 3:03 PM
Coldplay
As usual, present the right wing with facts and logic, and their response is -

"Oh yeah, well you guys are a bunch of queers."

Well, you may go ahead and call me a moron - for trying once again to engage Paddyofurniture.

"As usual, when a lefty quotes a post of mine back to me....it is unrecognizable as anything I ever said...."

Like this one, Paddy?

"Speaking of getting out more, I've been meaning to ask you....does the porn you "guys" watch have FILF's?"
Don't Tread On Me writes: Tuesday, June, 30, 2009 3:29 PM
Obama HATES Democracies.
Which is why he'll invite ousted power-mad dictator-wannabe Zelaya to the White House, pat him on the back and serve him coffee and arugula sandwiches and tell him, "There, there- we'll help you get back in power so you can crush your enemies and destroy Honduras' little democratic government. Who is the Congress to uphold the Constitution anyway? You were elected- that means you have every right to destroy the democracy if you want to. I mean, that's what I'M doing.."

Yeah- Obama will meddle if a democracy shows any signs of surviving. Thugs and dictators are Obama's friends. Not so those who cherish freedom.
Legally Remove BO writes: Tuesday, June, 30, 2009 4:14 PM
bo violating Honduran Constitution with
Chavez & Castro!

INDICT bo 4 his Crimes against Our Constitution!

Here's some restoration, reformation, revolution or whatever you want to call it that Our Founding Fathers supported:

1) Advertise and Promote the Fact that you are forming a Grand Jury in Blogs, Local Newspapers and Community Organizations.

2) Form the Grand Jury and select a Foreman.

3) Select a Private Attorney General to make Presentments to Grand Jury, if local DA refuses to make presentments.

4) Select a convenient Meeting Place.

5) Communicate with all Citizens who have criminal information to present.

6) Schedule presentments by said Citizens.

7) Subpoena documents from Government Offices and Officials.

8) Schedule presentment of said Documents to Grand Jury by Grand Jury Attorney General.

7. Have Grand Jury Attorney General present said Documents to Grand Jury.

8) After investigation and deliberation is completed, vote and issue a True Bill (Indictment) or No True Bill.

9) Announce all Indictments to the Press.

10) Serve the Indictment on the Judiciary for the Issuance of Arrest Warrants.

http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2009/06/how-to-start-and- lead-citizens-grand.html
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