Sunday, September 16, 2007
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A Marathon Not a Sprint
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Posted by:
Patrick Ruffini at
11:54 PM
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I haven’t had much to say about the overall state of the Republican race lately. I’ll cop to a little laziness here. This thing is just so darned hard to read. Anyone who argues that this isn’t jump ball between some permutation of Giuliani/Romney/Thompson is probably lying to you. If there is anything this campaign has proven, it’s that this race is a marathon not a sprint, and making sweeping predictions based on short-term momentum shifts means you’ll be eating crow the next week. As if we could forget: McCain is the frontrunner! Romney is at 3%! Rudy is doomed because of his Houston Baptist speech! And a week ago, Fred is doomed because of laziness/staff bloodletting! Let me take a step back here. Tune out all the noise, and just ask: What are the central facts of this campaign that are likely to remain central facts in January? Put another way: Begin with the end in mind. What are the basic claims that each of the candidates are likely to press in the snows of Iowa and New Hampshire and beyond? I believe there are three. 1. Rudy’s Electability Rudy’s electability argument is so central to his candidacy (and his supporters hope, so powerful) that it’s hard to talk about it without giving it the adjective, “nuclear.” The conventional wisdom about how Rudy wins is this: He underperforms in the first few primaries and caucuses, and then, back against the wall, someone breaks the glass, presses a big red button with the word “Hillary” on it, everything suddenly comes into focus, and the field is cleared. The problem with this argument is that electability is very much a moving target. If Romney, Thompson, or someone else were to get a massive wave of free publicity out of wins in Iowa and New Hampshire, their electability numbers could improve dramatically overnight. Before the Iowa Caucuses in 2004, John Kerry was trailing President Bush by 15 points. After them, he was leading by 3. The non-Giuliani & McCain candidates benefit from relative obscurity and have significant room for growth. The question is how much would they need to improve to negate this advantage? If Romney or Thompson start performing within 3 to 4 points of the Clinton-Giuliani spread, the Rudy electability argument starts to take on serious water. If they don’t, it will be difficult for an undecided primary voter in a late-voting state to knowingly vote for someone likely to lose the general election to Hillary. Team Giuliani will carpet-bomb with this message, and provided it still rings true, I suspect they’ll be effective given that Rudy has already established his plausibility as a nominee on judges, guns, and immigration (the recent kerfuffle notwithstanding). 2. Romney’s Early State Strength Mitt Romney’s strength in the early states remains a highly salient point. Right now, Romney is the only candidate with a clear, plausible path to the nomination. It’s one that basically boils down to Win Iowa, Win New Hampshire, Win Michigan, Win Nevada, and hope that by that point you’re running #1 in the national polls and are competitive with Hillary thanks to an injection of positive name ID. Because Romney’s strength is pretty much all out there right now, the risk of failure is greater. If there is any team in politics that can pull it off, Romney’s can. But the risk is enormous. If he loses New Hampshire, it’s over. The closeness of the race leaves no margin for error for any of the candidates, and that includes Giuliani and Thompson. The only difference is that Romney starts out with insanely high expectations in these early contests. The Giuliani counter-argument that one can underperform in the early states and still win is not wrong. But it ignores the fact that to date, it has only worked for prohibitive frontrunners with organizational advantages Attila the Hun would dare not challenge. Bush in ‘00, Dole in ‘96, and Reagan in ‘80 were effectively the only Republicans on the minds of primary voters in the late-voting states (Reagan is a bit different because the calendar was still so staggered back then). They could afford not to meet expectations in the first few primaries. None of the current candidates have this luxury. It’s not talked about very much, but Giuliani does have an early state opening of his own: New Hampshire. A win there probably won’t give him unstoppable momentum, since it’s in his regional home base, but it would eliminate Romney and (worst case scenario for them) set up a clear, nomination-deciding confrontation with Fred Thompson in Florida. 3. The South Will Rise (Again) Fred has not been central to this analysis so far. That’s because, despite his phenomenal poll numbers putting him within striking distance of frontrunner status, he lacks an instrument for converting these poll numbers into primary victories. How so? Currently, the only early states he polls well in are South Carolina and Florida, both below the Mason-Dixon line. As far as early states go, they are well to the back of the line. Fred would need to dramatically step up is game in Iowa to weather an expected third (or worse) in New Hampshire. As things stand today, the first few dozen news cycles once the voting starts do not stand to be kind to Fred Thompson — unless he manages to jumble the equation somehow. And yet… the South’s playing a small role in the primary process would be, well, odd. The South Carolina primary (where Fred is favored) has traditionally had the last word on the nomination. It seems difficult to imagine the South not playing a major role this time. And, to put it bluntly, it does not seem to be in the DNA of most country-Western conservatives to choose a smooth-talking Massachusetts governor over a folksy Southerner. Something just doesn’t jive there, at a very basic, fundamental level. Some way, some how, the Southern firewall will once again be a big deal in ‘08. A bigger deal than we can appreciate now. Whether that alone can propel Fred to victory remains to be seen, but it is an unappreciated point in his favor.
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"Something just doesn’t jive there, at a very basic, fundamental level."
That's "jibe," Mr. Ruffini, not "jive." jibe (vi); to be in accord; to agree.
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clark wrote: Romney can't beat Hillary in the general election. Why does Hugh and all his subordinate contributors pull for an eventual loser? I find it both fascinating and aggravating.
Ain't that the truth. I find Hugh & Co's obsession with Mitt the most incredible thing. I could understand going all ga-ga about Harriet Myers, but Willard Romney. I just don't get it. |
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"Mitt Romney’s strength in the early states remains a highly salient point. Right now, Romney is the only candidate with a clear, plausible path to the nomination."
Patrick, is there one contributor to this site that's not a Romney booster?! The contributors at this site sound like an echo chamber of Romney groupies.
Romney can't beat Hillary in the general election. Why does Hugh and all his subordinate contributors pull for an eventual loser? I find it both fascinating and aggravating.
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I hope you don't have the good sense to nominate Huckabee. He's your only shot. Mitt is craven. Rudy is a liar--and crazy to boot. Fred is a self-important bore. But Huckabee is a real deal baser that is also indisputably decent and of high character. Please don't nominate him.. |
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One more thing: Even though a conservative like Fred would be expected to be popular in the South, the Southern conservative vote is being split FOUR ways: McCain, Romney and even Huckabee will get a piece of it.
That enables Giuliani to squeak through by winning all the social moderate votes; all he needs is a plurality.
In many states, you'll probably see results something like this:
Giuliani: 30% Thompson: 25% Romney: 20% McCain: 15% Huckabee: 10%
Giuliani won't get a true majority, but a plurality is all he needs to go to the convention as the front-runner, with the momentum.
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Brightwinger writes: "Which Southern State Does Fred Lose?"
Fred loses Florida to Giuliani. Giuliani has the Jewish retiree vote locked up down there, because Giuliani is the most pro-Israel candidate.
Giuliani may well take blue-trending Virginia too. Democrat Governor Mark Warner is expected to win the Senate seat currently held by Senator Warner. Virginia is now not so much "red" as "purple." |
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What a great comparison! Look at what Arnold had to do to get elected in that leftist haven? BECOME A LEFTIST! What do you think Mitt had to do to be governor of MASSACHUSETTS? BECOME A LEFTIST! How did Rudy maintain a "Republican" mayorship and remain so popular in the LEFTIST CAPITAL OF THE WORLD? Look what McCain did to become a media darling? DEFY CONSERVATISM. Bush? Recognize a pattern?
Flush the establishment. And FORGET California. ANNEX California. |
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GOP - wake up - this amnesty crud is going to be the death of the GOP . . . remember,
"The price of liberty is eternal vigilance."
The amnesty crowd is at it again - this time by hiding nasty little provisions deep within other bills.
Word on the street is that, among other offenders, Texas Senator John Cornyn slipped some amendments about "HB-1 Visas" and such things into - a military funding bill.
Gee, aren't amendments supposed to be germane to the bill????
Not in the wierd world of the illegal alien lovers. Cornyn is my senator - he should know Texans want true border enforcement and honest administration of existing immigration law.
Folks - at least last time the amnesty crowd was honest, and we beat them in a fair fight.
Now they pull a kamikaze attack, a metaphorical jihadist-style suicide bombing - these people "get it" that Americans want the border enforced, and the amnesty crowd doesn't care.
The amnesty crowd also "gets" lotsa money from the illegal alien trade in cheap human beings. It's the money they care about.
Disgusting, all the way around.
Why do I rant on this?
If the GOP gets this one issue wrong - they trash the little bit of base they have left, and we get a Demo-Socialist presidency.
Probably a Clinton-Ubama ticket. Yuck.
Then its bye-bye liberty; hello tax, tax, tax, regulate, regulate, regulate, etc.
You ready for "big sister" Hillary to control your checkbook and your life? |
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VA Patriot - You are correct. Republicans are going more for money rather than principle. Like you, I support a "second tier" candidate, because I believe Ron Paul to be the best, most principled conservative in the race. (I like Duncan Hunter, but not as much as Paul because of foreign policy.) In any case, all the Rudy McRomneyson supporters are telling me I must support their candidate because we can't have Hillary, right? Well, to them I ask 1) what's the difference, and 2) what has Rudy McRomneyson done to earn my vote?
Angrywhtmale - I agree with you 100%. The country club establishment in the Repub Party needs to go, lest they suffer ever more defections. |
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It is interesting the way that so many writers here write off California. This is the state that produced Ronald Reagan and Richard Nixon. This is the state that currently has a Republican governor who is wildly popular, increasingly effective, and won reelection in a Blue state during an election that was dominated by Democrats. In spite of the MSM portrayal California prefers its politicians centrist. The only thing that holds the GOP back is it's backwards social policy. If the GOP ever managed returned to its libertarian roots the DEMS would be toast in CA. |
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to be a supporter of Rudy, Mitt, Fred, McCain, Huchabee, Brownback, or Hunter, they're not conservative.
(to preempt the Hunter supporters, he's a great guy, but it's not conservative to invade other countries. It's conservative to secure our sovereignty and let foreign peoples do what foreign peoples do, which often is blow each other up. The conservative thing to do would be to have our troops home defending our own borders, not Iraqs).
The case for the "Global War On Terror" was thin to begin with, and like it or not, Ron Paul is right about our foreign policy being the ignition for the last 30 years' problems in the Middle East.
Don't tell me it's a breeding ground for terrorists, it's ALWAYS been that, and always will be. But until Clinton's first term, they'd never hit us here at home. They've had us running ever since, within our OWN BORDERS, because the same morons who push this Global War On Terror script on us are the SAME MORONS who let the terrorists into our country in the first place by defying their Consitutional DUTY of defending our borders and soveriegnty.
they're the SAME MORONS who've kept us dependent on foreign oil when we have our own RIGHT HERE AT HOME. Don't blame the environazis, blame so-called conservatives who've done NOTHING for 30 years as far as reducing our dependence and drilling our own oil. Republicans need to start all over, because they have ONLY A RECORD OF FAILURE TO RUN ON.
Only one cantidate can do it, but the Repub machine isn't going to let that happen. That's why we're going to crush the Republican machine. Here we come! |
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Rudy will not have the pro life folks or the second amendment people. If you take them out of the equation of who votes in GOP primaries, how many are left? |
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it's a 20-year sprint to see how far repubs can stray from real conservativism and still get people like me to hold our noses and vote. They can't.
We want conservatism or we'll HAND IT TO HILLARY. There is no lesser of 2 evils if our nominee is Rudy, Mitt, Fred, or McCain, it's THE SAME EVIL as Hillary's; socialism.
The country club repub dinosaurs have got to go. |
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Well stated truth. Problem is, no one wants to hear it. The money in the GOP wants him to be the nominee and most of the GOP will do what the money wants. |
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The religious wing of the social conservatives have already stated they won't support Rudy because of his personal issues and views on gays. The NRA likely won't support Rudy because he's a gun grabber. The south probably won't support Rudy because many southerners see him as a NYC liberal. The small-government oriented conservatives won't support Rudy because he's a big-government guy.
To top things off, if he gets the nomination, he'll surely be "Swift-Boated" by the Firefighter's Union. The only thing Rudy can hang his hat on is 9/11, just like the only thing Kerry could boast was his record in Vietnam. Call into question the ace in the hole, and say hello to President Hillary.
The Republicans need to cut bait with Rudy asap and support someone who can actually win the general. |
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"Therefore, Republicans have won the lion's share of national elections since FDR and Truman by nominating people from all over the country."
Yes. So? Our last nominee was from Maine and Texas. What does that tell us about where the next one should be from?
"The problem for the Party is that if it decides that it is strictly the Party of the South, for the South, and by the South.."
I guess it's lucky that nobody is suggesting that.
"But if the Party makes too big a deal of restricting its leadership to Southerners as you suggest"
I have not suggested any such thing. My prefered Republican hails from Calfornia.
My point was that it is stupid to allow our nominee to be decided by states like New York and California which will not vote Republican in the general election. You ignored this valid point in order to attack your strawman.
In order to win the election we need to win the South and mid-West. We're not going to win the East and West coasts and there is nothing to be gained and everything to lose by nominating a candidate who appeals to Republicans in those states.
Giuliani cannot carry New York, but the people of Georgia are supposed to try to carry him into office?
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"Thousands of gallons of ink have already been spilled in the cause of advocating Rudy Giuliani's executive experience and success as a law and order Republican .." etc.
If that is the standard, why not support Bloomberg? He has had similar executive experience and crime has fallen under his watch.
No, people support Giuliani because they see everyone else doing it.
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Not the one who has raised the most money. Where do you think that money is coming from? The money men do not want the laws enforced and the border secured, that's why they want Rudy. |
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As long as the nominee is not an amnesty supporter (Rudy, McCain) I will vote for them. Still a lot of time until then for people to realize what is at stake in the next election. Whether we get to keep our country or surrender to the demands of foreign nationals illegally in our country. Don't forget that the people financing the frontrunners are the same people who want more cheap labor importation. |
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I'm with you 110% Duncan Hunter is the best man for the job by far. If we elected presidents the way we used to, he would be a shoe-in. With modern mass media, the quality of the man is less important than what he looks and sounds like. Abe Lincoln could never get elected today..... |
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I just wanted to let you know how impressive I found Duncan Hunter at the debates. I mean it. I just don't think that he is going to gain sufficient momentum. I would LOVE a Romney/Hunter ticket. |
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Can you please cite your poll? Was it on NewsMax or something? I'd like to check the verbage. If it was worded "Do you support full surrender to al-Qaeda?" then I'd doubt the credibility.
The fact is, the majority of Americans (as in >70%) are against the Iraq war. By extrapolation, as many or more would be against an elective war with Iran or Syria. Did you miss the election results of 2006? Expect more of that unless the Republicans make a swift change in foreign policy.
And BTW, we're not "surrendering" to al-Qaeda by pulling out of Iraq, just like we didn't surrender to the North Vietnam when Nixon finally pulled out of there. And look what happened - we now trade freely with Vietnam.
Both wars have proven to be a colossal waste of lives and money to suit political agendas from nefarious presidents and highers up.
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state of the race, not the state of your personal fantasies involving Duncan Hunter, who everybody knows will not be the Republican nominee. Hunter might win a stray straw poll or two, even in TX, but he does not even register at all in the latest TX poll (IVR, 9/6/07).
And, contrary to your belief, not every thread on every post is supposed to be about immigration and border control, despite your best efforts to make it so.
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For the Republican Party to nominate a candidate who is not from, or "of" the South is not and should not be considered an insult to Southerners or their values ... any more than the Party's nomination of a Southerner (G.W. Bush, of Texas) was intended or taken as a slight of the 3/4 of America that is not part of the South.
The problem for the Party is that if it decides that it is strictly the Party of the South, for the South, and by the South, it will be a loser at the polls. To win national elections, a Party and its standard-bearer must be acceptable to more than one of the four major geographical regions of the nation.
The Republican Party must be perceived as a national party to win national elections.
Therefore, Republicans have won the lion's share of national elections since FDR and Truman by nominating people from all over the country. Eisenhower was from KS; Nixon and Reagan from CA; Bush 41 from TX (but really, he was perceived as a northeasterner, from where his family of politicians sprang forth), and most recently, Bush 43 from TX. So there was only one true southerner out of the last five Republican victors.
And of course, most Republicans have not forgotten that the South gave us Carter and Clinton, two of the most objectionable Presidents ever.
There is nothing wrong per se in nominating another southern Republican. But if the Party makes too big a deal of restricting its leadership to Southerners as you suggest, it risks alienating the other 75% of Americans without whom the Party cannot win national elections. |
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If you want more cheap labor importation, amnesty, and the abandonment of the rule of law and loss of sovereignty that go with amnesty, Rudy's your man.
If we wish to keep our representative Republic, we must elect a President who will secure the borders and enforce the laws. The actions of the next President will determine the fate of this great nation. Texans have been on the front line of this inundation and understand its consequences. They know that Duncan Hunter is the one man who can be trusted to do what needs to be done.
The primary responsibility of the U.S. government is to protect the territorial integrity and people of this country. They have completely abdicated this responsibility. Both parties have been complicit in this. We are being told it is not possible to control our borders, enforce our laws, and thereby control our destiny as a nation. Hogwash. We are being sold out by corporations intent on importing workers for jobs that can't be exported with the taxpayers paying the true costs, financial and human. If we act like sheep and don't stop the inundation across our borders, we will lose our country without a bleat.
http://www.gohunter08. |
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To address you point about Rudy's electability being the only theme of his candidacy, apparently you don't read much. Thousands of gallons of ink have already been spilled in the cause of advocating Rudy Giuliani's executive experience and success as a law and order Republican who cleaned up the largest and most dysfunctional unit of liberal local government in the nation using conservative principles (law enforcement, low taxes, less regulation), not to mention his heroic status in the aftermath of 9/11/01. Those two factors alone are a reasonable basis on which to support his candidacy.
As to his electability, he gets high marks for that not because of transitory poll numbers, but because he goes after the certain Dem nominee - Hillary Clinton - with far more gusto and energy and effect than does any other Republican, with the possible exception of John McCain. Most Republicans sense that Rudy is Hillary's worst nightmare. That's his electability advantage.
Hillary Clinton will demolish Fred Thompson or Mitt Romney in the general, not because of the poll numbers today, but because they cannot hold a candle to her in the arena of aggressive, fight to the death, in your face campaigning, as Rudy has shown over and over, especially this last week. |
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Is it really a good thing if the GOP nominee is chosen by states like New York, New Jersey, or California? In the general these will all go solidly for the Dems no matter who we pick.
There is no path to victory for the GOP which does not go through the South and the mid-west. So yes, we need to start caring about what Iowa and Ohio and Georgia think more, and about what California thinks less. Giving the finger to your own base is not the key to victory. Surely Bush has demonstrated this well enough.
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Why do people support Rudy?
Because they think he's "electable".
Why do they think he's electable?
Because lots of them support him.
Why do they support him?
Because they think he's electable.
Why do they think he's electable?
Because lots of them support him
Repeat to infinity ......
If you have noticed that there is zero interest in his actual positions in any of this, give yourself a cigar.
It's like a giant electoral Ponzi scheme.
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It's silly now to take any snapshots of today's polling and say that's how it will be come the morning of February 6, 2008, when we will likely know the nominees of both parties.
To Brightwinger, that is particularly true of Fred Thompson, who last week was the clear beneficiary of the "announcement bounce" that every single one of this cycle's top tier candidates (Romney, McCain, & Giuliani) received the week they announced. The announcement bounce typically lasts at most a few weeks, then reality sets in. Since we're now past the last of the announcements, and we're in the home stretch for the January-February contests, we'll have to settle for the fact that we won't know the nominee until February 6.
Yes, Fred is leading in some of the Southern states, but his lead, even after his bounce, is mostly within the margin of error (TX, AL, GA, and most importantly, SC). In Florida Giuliani leads Thompson by double digits. As a longtime Floridian, I am pretty sure that Rudy will carry this largest of Southern states. FL ain't TN or AL, not by a long shot. Almost as many New Yorkers live in FL as in NY it seems.
Roho - the former anti-civil rights southern Dems that Reagan woo'd are no longer dominant in the South. The South has increased greatly in population in the last 27 years, mostly from in-migration from the North and from foreign sources. GA and AL are much more nationalized now. The culture has evolved. As one who has lived in FL for 18 years, I can tell you this state is much more urbanized, northernized, and cosmopolitanized that it was when I first arrived. Nothing stays the same when vast populations move about as they do in this era.
Stuff changes.
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"Rudy has already established his plausibility as a nominee on judges, guns, and immigration"
He has? When did this happen? Who decided?
Don't tell me this site is becoming another shill for Rudy.
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reality that Southern Conservative Democrats have been ON LOAN to the GOP courtesy of Ronald Reagan and the Christian Coalition!............They will stay home and NOT vote before they vote on a LIBERAL riding an elephant........And they remember how to say, "The Democratic Party Left Me!".........The loyalty is to CONSERVATISIM, not the "Party of Lincoln"!.......Many in the Pulpit have already heard the voice of respected people like James Dobson and Chuck Baldwin.......DIXIE may not have mega-electoral votes, but DIXIE owns CONSERVATISM!......Watch as Lindsey Graham and Trent Lott learn the hard way.(Immigration) |
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Recent polling shows that only about 20-40% of Americans - a clear minority - are for defeat in what you call the "neocon wars".
A clear majority of Americans are in favor of the objectives of beating back the radical Islamists ... the same guys who have already attacked us on American soil, in case you forgot, to the tune of 3,000 innocent civilians killed in about 1 hour's time.
You also forget that a clear majority of Americans voted George Bush in for a second term, after the invasion of Iraq, even after acknowledging that the bipartisan intelligence on WMD in both the Clinton and Bush Administrations was in error. But at that time, the sectarian warfare in Iraq had not yet begun. That stuff began with the Samarra Mosque bombing in early 2006.
What Americans do not like or tolerate is failure. America perceived that Bush was failing in his mission Iraq last year. That was then, and this is now.
If General Petraeus continues to tamp down the insurgency and sectarian murders, and if the Iraqi Government continues to make progress on the political front, the American people will be in no mood whatsoever to unilaterally surrender in the Middle East. We've been there, done that, know better now.
Any Republican who campaigns on retreat and defeat in the Middle East will be defeated at the polls. After all, if you're going to get the same result no matter which Party is running the show, America may as well vote for a complete change.
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Keeping the end in mind, as was suggested in this column, Republicans should realize one important phenomenon in this race: that no Republican who promises to continue foreign policy with any semblance of the Bush Doctrine will win. That is fact. Voters will hold their noses at the prospect of President Hillary, but she will win if the Repubs throw out someone who cozies up to the Bush neocons and promises more aggressive action in the Middle East.
The only chance for the Rs is Ron Paul, someone who's been outspoken against the war from day 1. He's the only one who will draw Dems and independents.
Of the 3 above, I don't see Rudy or Mitt going far. They're both northeasterner gun-grabbers, and they hardly differentiate themselves from Democrats. Thompson has a better chance at the nomination than either of them, but, as George Will pointed out recently, Thompson has come off quite dim on the important issues of the day during recent softball interviews. |
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against the heretofore unchallenged influence of tiny rural IA and NH. What does he think is the motivation behind all these other formerly-late-voting states suddenly moving their primaries up to January-early February?
The reason is that the voters in those states pressured their legislatures and Governors to directly challenge the IA-NH hegemony in the national parties. There has been a long-simmering resentment amongst the large states, that arises from being repeatedly pumped for large financial donations to the campaigns but receiving little candidate attention to their issues.
In other words, the voter sentiment that is ignored by Ruffini and all the other pundits - who pretend that the 2008 race will be exactly like all previous races - is that of, to put it politely, "we don't CARE how the farmers of IA and NH vote - we have our own issues and our own preferences and we outnumber you guys by about 100 to 1."
Consequently, the former bump a candidate may have gotten from a victory in pandering to the maple syrup producers and the hog farmers may actually be a liability in 2008.
And the evidence behind such a theory? Look no further than the fact of the big states all moving their primaries to the front, even at the risk of losing delegates due to Party committee retaliation (for failing to kowtow to IA and NH).
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analysts tools at the door in order to get permission from Hewitt to post on his all-Romney-all-the-time blog site.
Ruffini is right that the Republican Presidential nomination race is a marathon, of sorts, but it has mad dash at the very front of the process ... like so many other pundits, he refuses to factor in a fundamental change in the primary schedule that has never ever been the case before, i.e., the huge front-loaded compression in primaries/caucuses over a 1-month period, early January to February 5 ... a fact which happens to not bode well for the Hewittites' favorite candidate, Mitt Romney.
Ruffini also fails to note that Romney's numbers are going in the wrong direction lately, as he ignores the rising star of McCain. And he fails to note that the reason that Giuliani, Thompson, and McCain are all doing vastly better than Romney in the national polls is because they are also doing vastly better in the big states that are all voting within the front-loaded primary schedule. There simply will not be time enough for Romney to simply meet expectations in IA or NH and convert that to a groundswell in the other 48 states - in just a couple of weeks.
Indeed, Giuliani is finally contesting NH, and has already drawn into a virtual tie with Romney there. If Giuliani wins or comes in a very close second in NH, Romney's campaign is DOA. |
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Sorry, crescen7, but Duncan Hunter is just another San Diego conservative. He's a good guy, but he's not Superman. California is solidly blue. Duncan wouldn't help the ticket carry anything more than the precincts it normally carries in California. |
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Well, he had to pay voters to go to the Iowa caucas, and the event had a tiny turnout compared to earlier years. |
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He is catching on with voters in the states where he is actually campaigning. Wonder what those voters know that you don't?
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Patrick,
Why do you think Romney cannot take off and break out of the 12-8% in the national polls? For all the money he has spent and all the travel he has done, he is not catching on with voters. I know the national polls don't mean a lot, blah, blah, but it has to say something that he is still down there almost with the 2nd tier candidates. Romney may want American, but do Americans want him? |
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Oddly, the electability factor could be Rudy's greatest vulnerability. In the final analysis, Presidential politics is about the electoral map, not national polls. For the Republicans to win, they have to hold all the States that Bush won in 04, or flip others.
Ohio will be tough. The Republican party is in shambles in Ohio, and Hillary may be able to flip Arkansas.
What can Rudy flip? Nothing. He can't even win his home state. Fred can bring in the South. Unfortunately, the South is already solidly red.
Romney, on the other hand, will likely flip New Hampshire, and Michigan. He might even make Massachusets a race. Throw in Duncan Hunter as a VP and maybe even California is in play. If California is in play, Republicans win.
So...
Like always, we are likely to get a less than perfect nominee. Personally, I believe Romney to be the least flawed of all the front runners, but in any event clearly the most likely to be able to devise an electoral strategy to win. |
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Gingrich: Odds Are 80-20 That Dems Win White House in 2008
Is Newt right that the GOP has only a 20% chance of winning in 08?
NJG-“We need very bold, dramatic change, change at every level…. That’s what the Republican Party has to stand for.”
— Newt Gingrich
You said fairly recently that the Democrats had a very high likelihood of winning the presidency next year.
Gingrich: I think that the country, after the last couple of years, has a bias in favor of change — I think probably starting with [Hurricane] Katrina and coming through Baghdad and the whole sense of too much spending. And you sense a lack of enthusiasm in the conservative base, and you sense a stunning level of intensity in the anti-war Left. And so you just look at the dynamics and you have to say the odds are probably 80-20 [in the Democrats’ favor].
Q: 80-20?
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http://controlcongress.com/uncategorized/gingrich-odds-are-80-20-that-dems-win-white-house-in-2008
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He's a certified loon, however his sycophants run a website called FreeRepublic and they may push him over the .00005% of the national vote.
Keep an eye on him. |
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So far, polling data is really a wild ride.
We have long way to go.
Again, Rudy is to be thanked for the fine ad and rebuke of the tired Hillary Clinton.
Both Rudy and Romney have solid records, and are very sound for National Campaign.
Like to see Fred bring more to the race, but haven't seen it yet. |
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I have been tough on Romney, but if he pulls this off he probably deserves the nomination. Don't know if Mitt can beat Hillary, but then again, I don't know for sure if Rudy and Fred can either. I am still favoring Rudy, followed by Fred, followed by Mitt.
This will prove to be an enormously entertaining and interesting primary. I just want to make sure the best candidate makes it to go against Hillary, because to win we will need every advantage possible. |
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