Thursday, March 20, 2008
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Hillary: Looking To Be Selected By Superdelegates, Not Elected By Primary Voters
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Posted by:
Hugh Hewitt at
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Appearing on Hannity & Colmes last night opposite former Bill Clinton consultant Doug Schoen, I wasn't surprised to hear him argue that if Hillary gets a good run of wins between now and the end of voting in June, the superdelegates would turn to her as the nominee with the best chance of beating John McCain.
I pointed out that she is very unlikely to surpass Senator Obama in either earned delegates or total votes. (Here's the RCP chart of votes cast, sliced and diced a number of different ways, all of which show Obama with a lead.)
Schoen is a leading indicator of D opinion though. It looks and sounds as though the D.C. and party elites he represents are figuring out how to steal the nomination from Barack Obama, and they won't be letting the rhetoric of the Florida fiasco of 2008 ("count every vote," "selected not elected") deter them.
It is very difficult to imagine how African Americans or the young Obama vote could be reconciled to this result because they don't care about Jeremiah Wright or Tony Rezko. The latter are invested emotionally (and many of them via internet contributions) in the "politics of change. The former would never accept a take-away as other than the latest of a long line of Democratic Party betrayals of the party's most reliable demographic block.
I have to conclude that wiser heads will prevail and that Obama, bruised as he is by the Wright controversy and tainted as he is by the latest goings-on in the Rezko trial, will be the nominee. The risk of a shattered party base and of a nominee with very high and fixed negative ratings is too great, and the possibility of repairing the damage to Obama's image too high to see other than the nomination of the candidate with the most votes and delegates.
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I'll make a bold prediction. Crude price levels are unsustainable at current levels and will fall this year. I see no dramatic run up in demand that justifies current pricing. That opinion is worth exactly what you paid for it :)
Thanks for your insightful comments. |
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Based on discussions I have had with people in the business (majors) I’m told 1,400,000 per day fully developed and a total recoverable of 10 billion. |
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"but we will be in a different reality by the time it comes on line."...at what price point?
Peak, I've studied Certified PE reserve estimates dating back to 1979. Guess what? They were all wrong. I did it for banks then...back when three of the top ten independent banks in the US were in Texas. How many are there now, or were there after the energy crunch? NONE.
"Oil field equipment is not built in a snap of the fingers. Mosy of the firms that build it are over seas."
Tell that to CAT. They didn't re engineer and design the D10 and D11 at the snap of the finger. But they were ready for it. And so was Joy Manufacturing. And KBR. And Schlumberger. They'll find an answer if PRICE is the only issue. As for site equipment specs, if Congress opened ANWAR there would be a flood of domestic equipment manufacturers ready to do business immediately. Financing for them would become a drill in riot control.
As to the ANWAR reserves who knows? Whence the ANWAR production estimate?
My original point was that, if the political will to grant the exploration and production rights were in place, the major E&P companies would step forward and accept the risk without government subsidies.
As reference, Kodiak Island was a major engineering challenge as the AP was being constructed but that didn't prevent E&P from going forward.
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Oh, I made a comma error.
That should read:
Exxon alone presently drops $40,610,000,000 to the bottom line, AFTER TAX.
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Hey, I may learn something from the dialogue twixt you and Peaky. If ya get the boy off politics and Booooosh hatred and make him focus, he may impart some useful knowledge.
Me, I like tossing Gasoline on him. :-) |
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Certainly it is huge money.
The age of drilling equipment is not the issue; price is the issue. CAT ramped up to meet mining equipment demand very quickly….because of price. Their engineering and production is much more complex than rig specs. The same will occur in drilling …from rigs to engineering to support infrastructure: Frac companies, mud companies, rig haulers, roughnecks, geologists, they all respond to price.
Alaskan pipeline specs? Mandate them and they will come. I can do the math. Importing refined gasoline versus drilling and rebuilding a pipeline? Show me the economics. How about this: open bidding for ANWAR and exclude international producers not domiciled in the US from the auction. EXXON and private equity will crawl all over each other for the rights. No government subsidies will be necessary. Back to the math: Exxon alone presently drops $40,610,000 to the bottom line, AFTER TAX, on 404,000,000,000 in revenue….that’s 10%. They don’t need the subsidies.
Every energy exec I know would give anything to have an exclusive on ANWAR. This is a solution that can happen but for lack of political will.
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McCain will be back soon, still not for drilling ANWR, still hugging Juan Hernandez, still wanting to tax you for "carbon emissions", still wanting to close Gitmo.
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Yes, I had to ask it. And, yes, I heard McCain's asinine comment on the "pristine" ANWAR. And I'll probably still vote for him.
I want liberals commenting here to consider the effect of high oil prices on our trade deficit, our GDP and private sector employment.
I suspect they understand nothing about the economic metrics of high oil prices. |
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Get prepared to read WAAAAAAAAY more than you ever dreamt in his response.
One of the dumbest John McCain statements of recent vintage was the one about thinking of drilling in ANWR and then imagining derecks on the floor of the Grand Canyon. |
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It would probably take five to seven years to completely engineer and drill ANWAR. If such approval were made, the same period of time (probably less)could be used to construct domestic refinery capacity to absorb the ANWAR production.
Do you support that? |
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"W's" beaten you Fascists, so often and so hard that those bruises will never go away, and those "chickens coming home to roost", get that HD of your 's tuned up, for this Summer, cause ya' don't want to miss a minute of it, Wright, Farrakhan, Sharpton, Hussein, and the Black Panthers, the most recent group to endorse, Hussein, on one side of the street, all with megaphones, shoutin' and misbehavin', over turning cars, torching everything that'll burn, and on the other, ya' got ever feminist in the Western Hemisphere, PMSing, megaphones in hand, shoutin', spitin', cussin', cryin', "men are pigs, men are pigs", now there, TWERP, thats whats called the "chickens coming home to roost", and ya' know what, TWERP, the US MILITARY will still be in Iraq, kickin' Arab butt, and takin' names, and ain't nothin' you little effeminate TWERPS, can do about it, but come on this board, and daily show your,..... well it's 3 letters, begins with an A, ends with an S, thats all your left with, and it's all black and blue cause "W" has kicked it so often!! HA,HA,HA!! |
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Briggsy,
"ras, you said
the fact that oil is expensive proves we could not possibly be in Iraq for the oil."
Um, no, I never said that. Is there another dashingly erudite commenter out there that you perhaps have me confused with?
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Now, turnabout's fair play. You go back on the medication and the shock treatments and the Lithium Baths and stick to your hobby, OIL.
So, my euphemism for Persian Gulf Crude didn't sit right? Meds, Peaky. |
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Marine?!
I'm proud as hell that my Dad's B-29 outfit, the 462nd Hellbirds helped turn those home islands into a smoking ember.
1st Marine Division vets of Pelilieu and Okinawa call them...errr...what, Peak. Misunderstood Asians? Gooood. Now, it's time for meds at Shady Oaks. |
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price per barrel of Persian Gulf Crude and, everybody's crude, is set by those Evil Capitalist Dogs in the Evil Exxon Board Room.
Once again, the signs of a gov't school education. |
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The Democratic Party caught between a rock and a hard place in this bigtime wrassling match. The Clinton Machine can't get Hilliray the Castrator in the White House run w/o alienating the black vote and looking like the hypocrites they are - "make every vote count." HAAA! "As long as they are for me." HAAHHAAA!
And then they has the still-wet-behind-the-ears Barack the Obaminable with Coach Jeremiah Wright in his corner funded by Tony Retzko. BWAAHHHAAAHHHAAA! This is waaaayyy better than anything MTV had with "Celebrity Death Match," 'cept maybe for Hilliray Rodham Clinton vs. Monica Lewinsky. |
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Have you looked at a map lately (he asked rhetorically)?
Is there anything of note between Iraq and Afghanistan.....??? |
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Why do I have a sudden urge to go shoot my Socom....? When the Big Mac is the most common meal in Riyadh, we can come home....
Right on, son...!
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"W" saw the opportunity, and he took it, now, this country cannot be blackmailed, the free flow of oil will be assured, when the Middle East explodes, in the war, that most certainly will come, when that happens, we can thank Bush/Cheney for having the guts and the forethought, to take out Saddam, and place permanent Military bases in Iraq, there are 2 now, with a 3rd one being built, we are there for the next 50 years, if not longer, and when war comes , the free flow of oil does not stop, it was a brilliant move, and will pay big dividends in the future, and to top it all off, we can keep the thugs in the neighborhood, honest, and protect our very best, ally, Israel, brilliant, the best foreign policy decision in this country's history, bravo, BUSH/CHENEY, bravo..., thats why, twerp, and you know, who you are, don't you, twerp.... |
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----We can invade every single country on earth to search for the extremists or we can have a smart sensible approach to fighting terrorism.-----
What is this "smart sensible approach" you speak of. Secondly, we don't invade countries for the sole purpose of killing islamists. We've decimated some AQ dregs [at the request of Ethiopia if I'm not mistaken] in the horn of Africa and didn't need to put boots on the ground.
When you have a terror state you destroy the leadership and assume control until a "friendly" govt can be established. If you have nations with moderate govts who are plagued with an islamist threat you aid them in vaporizing the filthy primitive 7th century Mohammedan throat cutters. |
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Gentlemen~The Clinton "strategy" will result in what the Pol-Sci's call REALIGNMENT ELECTION. There have been only 3 thus far(4 elections of FDR are not included in this category). Effectively a RE comprises collapse & virtual extinction of a Party from the American Political Landscape (Federalists;
Whigs;& "All the King's Men Party" of William Jennings Bryan).We are living in...as the Chinese adage curses...interesting times
Arthur McVarish, Houston |
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Briggs,
"I think you may incorrectly be attributing...."
How on earth does that counter, or for that matter, support, my previous arg? I mean, even presuming your contention were correct, which it isn't. But even if it were?
As the physicist Pauli put it, you're "not even wrong."
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Just find somebody who can read and ask them to read Revelation to you....
....especially the part about Armageddon. |
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...boy were there a lot of typos in the my post!
Now, LGF82 I think you need to re-read your Bible. Re-read it in its entirety.
The Bible teaches a clear distinction between what's acceptable for individuals and what's acceptable for the state. Individuals are never to take vengence on other individuals. God ordained that the responsibility for justice is with the state. By having a reliable state to enforce matters of justice, individuals can remain 'pacifist'.
The state is given authority to protect its citizens from internal threats via systems of laws and justice. It is given authority to protect its citizens from external threats via war. The state is never to be pacifist. The role of the state is to protect.
Does God like war, no. But war is the inevitable outcome of an uncontrolled combination of sin and power. It wasn't what God intended for this world, but it won't stop until all things are made new. |
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Working perfectly, Hillary rising, all you in Pennsylvania, you have until March 25th to register, and vote for Hillary, you go girl, don't let a "mac daddy" rookie get the best of you, feminist, the "mac daddy" candidate, has been disrespectin' ya', all femi-nazi's, make your travel plans now, low humidity, here in Denver, will cause the teargas to be inhaled easier, so, all of us in the Mile High City, invite you all to come, come mad, too, and with the intent to TEAR DOWN THE TOWN, no "mac daddy" is going to take this from us, cause "we are fierce, we are feminist", no way, "mac daddy".
OPERATION CHAOS, you go girl, we be for ya'!! |
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...McCain had better choose a runningmate who is extremely likeable and good with the media.
Obama wouldn't be politically damaged if he were to run as Hillary's VP. He has a greater teflon factor than she does, and he's not a stiff like Gore. Gore crashed and burned because voters couldn't connect with him...in stark contrast with how they connected with his boss. Attracting votes based of partisan loyalty was the best he could expect.
I'd expect that they'd market a Hillary/Obama ticket as a 16-year Democrat juggernaut.
McCain and Hillary are roughly equal in terms of likeability. Obama will crush anyone who lacks the ability to quickly endear himself to his audience. He has to be able to cut deeply into Obama, and remain likeable at the same time.
Mind you...the two tickets would be worlds apart on substantative issues. However, there are a good many people who vote purely on emotion.
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Like I said yesterday, nation building is definitely the way to go. We can't stop until there's a KFC and Starbucks on every corner in every country in the entire world.
When Bangladeshis are paying 5 bucks for a cup a joe, we have won.
Good old fashioned Yankee Imperialism...! :-) |
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Lg, you seem sincere.
Look at it this way: Jesus said there will be "wars and rumors of wars..." He's not pointing fingers. He is just stating for a fact that these things will be. This comes as no surprise to the Lord, in fact He says that "these things must come to pass."
If you see the hand of God in it, perhaps it will help to calm you. If He knew the wars would come, it stands to reason He knows the outcome....and probably is even guiding it. |
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"...steal the nomination from Barack Obama."
Steal? Really? I may think that the rules the Democrats have in place vis a vis the superdelegates are idiotic, but trying to win by virtue of that particular rule being in place does not constitute theft. Trying to prevent votes by our service men and women from counting during a presidential election? Now that was attempted theft. |
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...Sunni Tribal Leaders & Militias. |
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I don't think anyone in America thinks we should lose to the extremists, what we have are different approaches. We can invade every single country on earth to search for the extremists or we can have a smart sensible approach to fighting terrorism. This is the problem with SOME conservatives. You hold the view their is only one absolute way to fight terrorism and if others dont agree with that way they are naive, dont believe the threat exists, or want to get in touch with the feelings with terrorists. Hopefully someday soon this country will have and honest and open debate about the best way to fight terrorism without the hyperbole. |
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guzzler. Where do'ya suppose he gets that we haven't a clue as to the nature of the beast we're fighting???
What was it Patty Murray, Washington State Lib Genius, said about Osama & Zawahiri...Oh, yeah, they were building roads and day care centers.
Yep, that's why those butchering boyos have followers. As for me & mine, I like what David Petraeus has been succeeding at...and, the Shiite Militias & Tribal Leaders...and the Shia...KILL the monstrous bast**ds, thus bring them to room temperature. |
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If that is the case, why is it that the Pope John Paul and Benedict have spoke out adamantly about the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, are they misinterpreting the words of the Bible?
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Forcing a Roman to strike you on the the left cheek meant that he would have to acknowledge that he was striking you as an equal (b/c he would have to use his right hand to do so. The left hand was reserved for inferiors, and if your cheek were turned he would either have to use his right hand or give up and not strike you at all). Jesus was a very defiant pacifist.
He was an astute student of human nature, too. Note how, for ex, by going the extra mile, he takes the dominance aspect out of the demand. Bullies need to dominate, to "win"; do the same thing willingly and they don't get their fix.
Now put the two together: you can't dominate me and you can't fight me. So let's be equal.
Just my opinion, of course.
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So your solution is to get in touch with their feelings? Maybe buy them a latte?
What a laughably naive boob you are. They want to kill you. They don't care if you're "nice" to them. You are, to them, a thing to be reviled just because you exist (and I'm beginning to agree with them on that point).
I will thank you not to put words in my mouth....what I am saying is that we can not afford to lose the war against radical Islam. If we do, the USA as we know it will cease to exist. Losing begets losing....we will have new enemies to fight.
I'm sure that's fine for you, but I will fight to make sure that doesn't happen...
Apparently, you choose to stand against us...
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pardon me Barack, help us understand your grandmother.
Barack, "well, she is a typical white person..."
http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives2/2008/03/020088.php |
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Jesus is the Son of God, not God the Father. As we read in John 17 they are one in purpose. Jesus' attributes are the same as the Father's. But Jesus said that he was the God of the OT. ("Before Moses was, I AM"). The sermon on the mount is more of a guide for interpersonal relations, not international ones. |
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Jesus was God in the flesh, and He remains King of Kings and Lord of Lords.
I recommend reading the Book of Revelation to find out how much of a pacifist He is, as He will come to personally slay His enemies...by the sword. |
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Perhaps Mr. Obama has been attending too many sermons by reverend jeremiah wright.
Who knows where Barack would come up with such an explanation, in describing his grandmother.
Fascinating, to say the least. |
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Unfortunately, libs don't understand human nature.... If we show weakness, our enemies will exploit that. If you don't realize that, it's you that has your head in the sand and your butt in the air....
So are you saying that simply by showing strength our enemies will back down??? Doesnt seem to have worked in Iraq. Are you suggesting Al-Qaeda is no longer plotting to do us harm? Are you saying perhaps if we had struck back against them in the 90's they would have laid down their arms and quit? They kept hitting us in the HOPES that we would strike back. They tried to provoke a fight with us, hoping to draw us into a war on their turf to slowly drain us of money and lives. We fell for that hook line and sinker. |
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Briggsy,
"And the only reason we invaded Iraq
and continue the occupation is for its oil."
The world-price being paid for the oil refutes that, as does Iraq's ability to sell it to whomever they wish, as does even the simplest cost/benefit analysis.
You appear to have an emotional need to believe it, though. When searching for answers, start there.
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I said Jesus was a pacifist, not God. Jesus was the son of God.
You have heard that it was said, 'An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth.' But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If someone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also. And if someone wants to sue you and take your tunic, let him have your cloak as well. If someone forces you to go one mile, go with him two miles. Give to the one who asks you, and do not turn away from the one who wants to borrow from you.
—Matthew 5:38-42,
But I tell you who hear me: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. If someone strikes you on one cheek, turn to him the other also. If someone takes your cloak, do not stop him from taking your tunic. Give to everyone who asks you, and if anyone takes what belongs to you, do not demand it back. Do to others as you would have them do to you.
—Luke 6:27-31.
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...after the comments he made this morning, about his grandmother, it simply gives one pause to wonder.
Mr. Obama was being interviewed this morning and the subject of his grandmother came up. He was asked a somewhat contextual about her.
He responded that his grandmother was, "your typical white person". Hmmmmmm......
What is a typical white person?
It sounds to me as if this is a racist comment, but, since it was emanating from Mr. Obama, some, like Mr. Huckabee might, "cut him some slack". |
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Hugh Hewitt,
Any comments about the importance of PA as regards the superdels?
It would seem that, if Hillary is looking to turn them in her favor by arguing that Obama can't win, then the results in PA in particular take on a magnified importance.
If Obama can do well in PA, post-Wright, then he can plausibly refute Hillary's "he's not electable" argument; if he does poorly, he cannot.
Your thoughts?
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and continue the occupation is for its oil.
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And this is why so many people here laugh at you and others who believe this c*ap.
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Fine.....walk into any town if Afghanistan and ask to speak with any jihadi....and good luck.
...and by the way, we ARE winning...
Briggsy - If you want to live in Italy or Venezuela, be my guest. Italy suggests Rome. Ever read about the fall of the Roman Empire? Should sound familiar....
Neither country can lay claim to being the greatest country in the history of the world...
This country could....but now liberals are making us weak. Unfortunately, libs don't understand human nature.... If we show weakness, our enemies will exploit that. If you don't realize that, it's you that has your head in the sand and your butt in the air.... |
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Jesus was/is not a pacifist. Read the Old Testament. The same God who preached "turn the other cheek" authorized wars to cleanse the promised land. The same God who gave his Son sent the destroying angel to kill all the first born males in Egypt.
We don't always understand God's will or ways, but I think it is clear from the Bible that He is not a pacifist. War is always hell, but sometimes it is necessary. |
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The Problem for Obama is the Wright effect might actually push Hillary to the unrealistic win levels that she needs to get close to pulling even.
Survey USA has Obama losing a lot of ground to McCain after the J.Wright stuff. If the Democratic polls follow, then Hillary may get her opening.
The biggest blood shed will be the MICHIGAN and FLORIDA delegates. Hillary MUST have those delegates seated to win this thing.
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I wont stick both fingers in my ear and keep repeating they hate us for our freedom, or they hate us because there Muslim. Just like in sports you have examine your opponents and understand what makes them tick, thats the only way you defeat them. If terrorists were only a country we would have defeated them already, we have the greatest military in the world. They are not, they are an ideology of hatred, I cant believe by now you havent realized this war will not be one the conventional way. It will be won once we convince other muslims to point out their neighbors who are joining these hate groups. We will not win the Muslim street until we understand why they hate us and addressing those issues. |
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Let me get this straight, you want to find out what makes these 8th century heathens who want to kill you and your children tick?
I'll tell you: hatred. Anything that is not muslim is worthy of death. Period.
Personally, the only thing I care about is providing a safe place to live for my family and myself, and right now, the only way to do that is to break out the jihadi-extinguisher.....
I'm not singing kumbaya to these monsters...
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Mistaking sunni and shia just like Mccain, this is why it was such a mistake to overthrow Hussein, he was a counterbalance to Iran as well as a counterbalance to Al-Qaeda, he was a ruthless maniacal dicatator, but he was very secular and would never allow another powerbase in Iraq. |
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Focus: In order to defeat the terrorists we must kill them and bring them to room temperature wherever we find them
Terrorists are not some defined number of people, dont you understand that we cant kill all of the terrorists. What we can do is hunt them down and send them into hiding, killing as many as we can. The second step is to identify why Al-Qaeda has such a big following in the Muslim world. Part of that is the PERCEPTION, that the US is anti-Muslim. This is why things such as Abu-Garab, Guantonomo, waterboarding, and yes, the invasion of Iraq serve counterproductive purposes. With the invasion of Afghanistan, the more militant Muslims were angered by the invasion, however the more moderate saw the invasion as understandable. The invasion of Iraq was not. Also, by Bush backing Musharaff, he repeated the mistakes of why the Iranians resented us. WE SHOULD NEVER BACK TYRANNICAL REGIMES. Dont forget we started a coup in Iran to overthrow the democratically elected leader in pursuit of cheaper oil. We backed the tyrant Saddam Hussein in the 80's who oppressed the Sunni people, Al-Qaeda is Sunni. We backed the Afghan rebels against the Soviet Union, these people became the Taliban as well as Bin Laden. So yea you can simplify the world to black and white and simply state kill em all. But we live in a real world where that is not possible, we have to started winning back the hearts and minds of Muslims and enlist them in this war on terror. |
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"For us to defeat the terrorists we have to understand what motivates them."
Ummm. No, we don't.
Focus: In order to defeat the terrorists we must kill them and bring them to room temperature wherever we find them.
Focus Again: It happens that we have a full grasp of what motivates them. |
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would probably hear is that people don't choose to be black or white, but they do choose to be LDS.
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WHAT???? |
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My first husband was/is gay. Nice guy, but I do feel he choose that lifestyle. Sorry, with me, your arugment does not hold water. |
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3 of my 8 children are 'black'. Your right, they did not choose to be black - or did they? But after about 10 minutes in our home, we don't see the color, but the kids.
Wright was wrong, so was Huckabee. there should be NO double standard. No person who claims to be a preacher, should never spew hate and discontent. One of my children's sisters, is in a home with an adoptive parent who thinks like Wright and Huckabee. Guess what? not allowed in my home, and no contact happens between the sisters now. I don't need my child to learn that kind of stuff from anyone.
Hillary will steal the nom, and the democrates will revolt. predict a bloodbath at the DNC convetion. |
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If you are suggesting that Chavez is somehow visionary or patriotic, you need to put down the peyote.
He is nothing but a commie thug, and the sooner he brings about his own demise the better.... |
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Why it's not ok for Pastor Wright, but it is OK for Pastor Huckabee to be bigoted. Is there a double standard here? |
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Briggsy - As soon as you say "Hugo Chavez has the right idea," your credibility is shot.
lgf82 - Listen to Wright again, only this time substitute any white leader as the speaker and turn the words around so that he is talking about blacks. Is it racism now...?
I wish the general were held today. McCain would win in a walk. Look at the polls....!
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Uhhh.. governmnt does not do anything better than the private sector. Who care's if 'big oil' is involved? Sorry, but move to Chavez's little kingdom, if you feel that way. I'd rather stay here, drill in ANWAR and allow folks to make a profit. |
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How it goes down:
The superdels just needed an excuse to select Hillary!, and now they have one. Obama was always too much of a risk to put up as the Dem candidate. Now that this uncomfortable issue has been settled, it's just a matter of damage control. And the only way to avoid mass defections is to run Obama in the VP slot.
This is basic political calculus, and there is only the one viable solution for the Hypocrisy Party. Obama will cave "for the good of the Party and my wonderful supporters and the people of this great country blah blah blah etc. etc." - in a 45 minute rendition of "The Narrative." His supporters will grumble but console themselves with dreams of a future where the Obamessiah finally wins the presidency after great personal sacrifice. And, the only real point, they will duly turn out and providide the traditional Dem bloc votes.
Creating delusions and living in them is what the Left does best, and this little comedy in one act will be no different. Done deal. Next? |
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To all those attacking me that the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki was justified to end the war I completely agree. If I were President at the time I would have made the exact same decision. My only argument is that from a pure Christian perspective the killing of any innocent human is never justified. Jesus was a pacifist.
I would also disagree with the argument that Wright was gloating about 9/11. I find that very hard to believe. He was simply saying that this county needs to look at what we may have done to provoke the attacks. A good analogy would be when an angry youth goes in and shoots up a school. He doesnt do it without a reason, usually its that kids in school were picking on him. This DOES NOT JUSTIFY his actions and it doesn't make the people who picking on the kids responsible for the shooting. It does however give us some understanding to the situation. The US did get involved in the politics of the middle east, taking the side of Saddam Hussein against Iran, we DID help overthrow the Shah, which directly led to the hostage situation. To simply state that the terrorists hate us for our freedom is naive and dangerous. For us to defeat the terrorists we have to understand what motivates them. |
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Sorry, but e-mails can be posted by anyone.
You need more proof than that. May explain why no MSN has touched it. |
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Only a fool thinks making irresponsible charges against somebody in a loud fashion constitutes exposing them....
That is a tactic of the weak. Any fool can do it, and any fool did...
If you ask me, you are the one that needs some bashing.... |
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The world Hates us (10%)
Funny isn't it. They hate us, but when they need help,who do they call the UN, France, England? No they call the US of A.
But were bad.... One day I just wish our Prez would tell the world to take a hike when they need help! |
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Not so fast there Ike.. CHECK OUT MCCAIN’S RACIST GAYBASHING PASTOR and Spiritual advisor. And the AFL.CIO got some things that will destroy Mccains name with corrupt business deals.. Trust me, Mccain wants to play nice, or he will suffer an ugly fate.. Do your homework Ike.. I am all in this like white on brown rice. WHAT!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30-WtZTH06o&feature=related% 20 This link is crazy also http://www.pfo.org/parsley.htm
This guy makes Rev Wright and Farrakhan look like school boys.
Obama is ready for Mccain mud slinging. Funny thing is Mccain knows it too.
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Everytime I hear that tired old argument about Hiroshima and Nagasaki, I think of the hundreds of thousands of bomber crews, fighter pilots, Marines and Army infantry soldiers who lived, because the invasion of Japan did not happen. I also think of the probably millions of Japanese civilians who would have died if an actual bloody invasion occurred. I think how ravished Japan would have been after such a conflict. I also remember that more died in the conventional bombing of Tokyo than died in Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
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Not so fast there Ike.. CHECK OUT MCCAIN’S RACIST GAYBASHING PASTOR and Spiritual advisor. And the AFL.CIO got some things that will destroy Mccains name with corrupt business deals.. Trust me, Mccain wants to play nice, or he will suffer an ugly fate.. Do your homework Ike.. I am all in this like white on brown rice. WHAT!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30-WtZTH06o&feature=related% 20 This link is crazy also http://www.pfo.org/parsley.htm
This guy makes Rev Wright and Farrakhan look like school boys.
Obama is ready for Mccain's mud slinging. Funny thing is Mccain knows it too.
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I think I described Wright's comments as anti-American.
Don't get me wrong, Wright is entitled to his distorted view of this country (just like Ward Churchill is entitled to his). But I am entitled not to vote or support Barak Obama when he chooses to tie himself so closely to a person like Jeremiah Wright. This was not an off the record conversation where Wright misspoke--he has not backed off any of these points and believes them to be true.
And you cannot justify Wright's arguments on the basis of Christianity. Granted, a pacifist would argue that any killing is wrong even in self defense (based on Jesus' "turning the other cheek")--but Wright went well beyond that. Wright seemed almost happy 9/11 happened. Wright thinks the United States is the primary problem in the world. Fair enough. That view is shared by probably 10% of the voting population in this country. But it is rejected by the vast majority of the voting population (conservatives, Republicans, independents, and moderate Democrats) which is why Obama seriously hurt himself over this. |
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Gods creatures, that the deaths of Americans are just as evil as the killings of Japanese. While that may be construed as unAmerican to some, it is downright Christian.
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O-please. The the bomb was dropped to end that bloddy war. And just to give to small taste of what the Japs were doing to other non-humans (their words)
My father made it through the Battan Death March and before his death years later on in his life I talked about what they did to him and so many others. The Japs were neither Christans or believed in God. They murdered at will, age or sex din't matter to them. |
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Reverend Wright spews black racism? Call what he said outrageous, misinformed, angry, and just plain wrong, but please point out to me where what he said is racist, maybe I just missed it. Maybe, you could consider KKKA racist, but thats a bit of a stretch. Now I dont for a minute believe his conspiracy theory of the government spreading the HIV virus among the African-American community, but in light of the Tuskegee experiments cant you see how some MAY think that it is not beyond the government to do so? The most criticized aspect of his words, the chickens come home to roast argument was definelty in poor taste after 9/11 but not far off the mark. He was trying to argue that we are all Gods creatures, that the deaths of Americans are just as evil as the killings of Japanese. While that may be construed as unAmerican to some, it is downright Christian. |
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You are dreaming, McCain will not deport anyone, he still thinks surrender is the only option. |
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If she succeeds in screwing Obama out of the nomination, we can look forward to a low turnout election where neither party likes their own candidate. Yeah.
Meanwhile the inundation will continue unabated, another 3,000 illegal aliens crossed the border last night. None of the candidates will do anything to stop it. Yeah.
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On Monday, McCain announces Mitt Romeny as running mate. On Tuesday, a really good economic plan is announced. On Wednesday, McCain/Romney announce that by Presidental Decree day after inag. Drilling for our own oil will commence, along with building of refinery's to process our own crude. Thursday will bring a plan to deal with the illegal population in a humane and fair manner, which includes finish building the fence and giving everyone adequate time to get back to their countries or face deportation with no hope of return. On friday, they work on winning in Iraq and figuring out the weaking dollar (putting it back on the gold standard?) Saturday, they go separate ways to raise cash. On Sunday, they rest.
Meanwhile, the democrates are battling each other, while McCain/Romney has a plan. |
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Team Clinton relished this opportunity? This is when they are in their element.
At this very moment, folks who make G. Gordon Liddy look like Danny Kaye are poring over hours of videotape in hopes of cathing Obama sharing a crack pipe with Malik Shabazz and Louis Farrakhan.
When Hillary says her prayers at night ( to herself), all she asks is a chance to steal it.... |
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the decision of the Dem Superdelegates, that proves there really are no "wiser heads" in that insane asylum otherwise known as the Democratic Party.
Gee, the supers would combine the 50% of America that refuses to ever cast a vote for Her Thighness, along with the 80+% of the 90% of non-black voters who were likely offended by Obambi throwing his kindly white granny under the bus in order to save his own political skin and protect a nutty black racist, then what do you get?
President John McCain, by a landslide ... that's what!
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any "wiser heads" in the Democrat Party.
They're really in a bad bind ... if Obama continues to tank in the non-black voter segment (90% of the nation) over his association with vitriolic black racism, at some point the party leaders - which is in fact who the superdelegates are - are going to have to decide if they are willing to lose an election this year to preserve the party, or if the opportunity to compete against the evil Pubs now is too tempting.
If the supers choose the latter - counter to Hewitt's prediction - they'll surely try to coax Obama onto the ticket with the Hildebeest ... "for the good of the party, and 'your' people".
Then what happens?
Will he, or won't he?
Essentially, if Obambi succumbs and settles for the role of Her Thighness's "boy", he's essentially writing off his political career ... the Gorebot being Exhibit A for that theory. Would he do that for the Party?
And even if he did, would that really mollify the black and young voters he attracted and who would have even more reason then to despise the Broomstick Pilot for denying Obama's rightful destiny?
I think no matter what the Dems do now, they're basically screwed for 2008. The only question is, do they also screw themselves for the next four or five election cycles, or even forever?
The only way the Dems limit the damage to 2008 is for the supers to nominate BO.
As Karl Malden used to ask on those commercials long ago:
"What WILL you do? What WILL you do?"
ROFLMAO!
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To: The Democrat Party.
A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have.
-Thomas Jefferson |
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And the chickens are actually coming home to roost in Denver, Brother!
So what so ever you sow, that shall you reap.... |
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I heard, a couple of days ago, they are still counting Democrat votes in the Texas primary.
Did this get any MSM coverage. No. Why? Because it does not involve republicans---they can't place the blame on republicans------SO------their is no story. Their is no concern. Their is nothing.
Does it seem incredible, in 2008, that they do not have the systems, the ability to have a definitive "count" by now? Yes.
The democrats are a trainwreck. Only in August will they begin to realize it. Why have they not realized it thus far.
Unbridled HATE.
Their hate is so strong, for Bush, for the war, for conservatives, they have no focus for anything else. |
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Noooooo, they are all still here and I have to go attend to them....but I did get my fix for the daaaaayyyy! hehehe And Brother, there will be blood, but I predict it won't be the GOP's!!!
I am sending in RNC's,Presidential Victory Team, Bob Shaffer,Mitch McConnell, and John McCain donations today! Largest amount I've ever donated to politics and it Feeels Soooo GOOOOOOOD!!! |
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To represent the long-term view of the Party? Why have SDs at all if they are nothing but rubber stamps for the whims of the moment? They do represent the Democratic Party, since they all are (or were) publicly elected officials. In a way, they are analagous to the U.S. Senate - elected for longer terms and not equally apportioned among the population.
From what I've read, the SDs came into being as a result of the George McGovern debacle, where short-term enthusiasm gave the Democrats a no-win candidate. Obama vs. Clinton is precisely the type of situation the SDs were invented for. It's silly to speak of them "stealing" the nomination from Barak Obama if in fact they select Hillary Clinton.
Now I agree that the obamaniacs will be sadly disillusioned if Hillary gets the nomination. That's a factor the SDs must consider. They also need to consider Wright and Rezko, and how that will play out. Especially among the swing voters in the swing states. |
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regardless of who they eventually pick as their nominee the GOP stands to gain - - a lot. If it's Hillary the "most reliable demographic block" will be anything but. Their p***edoffedness will make Florida 2000 look like a lovefest. As Wright demonstrates and Obama justifies, those folks can hold a grudge.
What is the GOP doing to prepare for this contingency, anything? Seems to me it's time to get a great big brand new wlecome mat for the big tent, something with an African trim would be nice.
If it's Obama, moderate fencesitters will be more than comfortable swinging toward a war hero patriot who, as a bonus, has similar reservations about hard core right-wingers as they do, versus a guy while claiming to be a patriot has no qualms about keeping company with America haters for 20 years.
As unlikely as it may have seemed not too long ago, if the war continues to go well, the economy turns around, and the magic strategy of letting Democrats be themselves keeps working so beautifully the future of the GOP looks exceptionally bright.
Happy first day of spring everybody!
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Kiddo. Company leave? It can be sooooo freeing!
Great to see youse! |
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...I...I...I think I'm having yootful flashabacks!
The teargas in the air... 'It smells like... Like VICTORY!' Chicago '68...Po'lice...Militia..batons Yeah, Bay-bee, this'is sum goooood s!!t.
Woops...I'm back. It's Okay...Really...Just a little '68 tizzy-attack. How can that horrifically memorable year be 40 YEARS AGO?! |
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...they can avoid the kind of fratricide we're all anticipating if either 1) Obama stages a surge - not just in the electoral polls, but in the opinion polls - thus making Super-Delegate fiat impossible, or, conversely, he flames out completely, persuading even a critical mass of his own followers that he's unelectable. The latter scenario could include a knockout scandal, or the gradual reduction of his constituency to its hard core. It could also include Obama himself backing out, thus earning himself applause for his magnanimity and a chance to return again as the frontrunner at some future date.
He never should have risen this far, this time around, and 4, 8, or even 12 years of seasoning would be nothing compared to his potential
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"There Will Be Blood" was it Time's or Newsweek's prediction about the GOP a few months back???
Hillarrious!And Obama-will-loozzzaa!!!!! And then the blood will flow!!!!
Leftists should never try to predict the future. |
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Recreate 68'!!! The Hippies pipe dream,may become McCain's dream come true!!!! |
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As I have said, the Clintons will not lose. |
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It's going to be a BLOOD BATH at the Dem Convention. |
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if Hillary steals the nomination from Obama, but loses to McCain anyway. How are her crooked little surrogates going to look trying to complain about voting machines or hanging chads, or polls not being open long enough after they pulled this little number during the nomination process. |
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Bush v. AlGore?
Speaking of the AlGore, it would be especially rich if he weighed in on the democratic selection, um, "process." |
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Party SuperDelegates (an off shoot of the League of Extraordinary Gentlemen) picked Hillary. The diehard Obama supporters would never forgive them.
Then again, perhaps Al Gore will rise to unite the Party. I could see him throwing is sizable support (politically and physically) to Obama to knock Hillary down. |
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Hugh, if the Clintons were not in this for themselves, I would agree with you. However, given how they treated the Presidency as their own playground and kept it at any cost, I don't seem them giving up on the nomination. They would rather bring down the party if they are not going to get the nomination.
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