Monday, December 10, 2007
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MyManMitt: Huckabee Spoke at "Anti-Mormon" Convention
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Posted by:
Matt Lewis at
12:48 PM
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Is the Romney vs. Huckabee feud metastasizing into a conservative religious split?
Writing at MyManMitt, Jason Bonham notes that the speech Drudge linked to today (in which Huckabee said, "I hope we ... take this nation back for Christ"), took place at a convention in Salt Lake City where some Baptists were seeking to convert Mormons.
According to Bonham:
... I hope Huckabee supporters realize asking for unity in the party is a tough sell for a candidate who speaks at Anti-Mormon conventions about taking this country back for Jesus. It's a little insulting. Of course, this opens the door to all sorts of questions. For example, if it is offensive for Baptists to travel to Utah to proselytize Mormons, is it also offensive when Mormons knock on a Baptists door, in say, Arkansas?
When asked to clarify, Bonham told me:
"My point is not the Baptist faith but rather the forum a then sitting Gov. Huckabee chose to speak at. I am pretty positive there are Mormons in Arkansas he represented at the time of the speech, yet this was acceptable." Either way, it is unfortunate that this race is clearly getting nasty. As I've noted recently, since becoming a frontrunner, Mike Huckabee has endured daily attacks on his religious positions -- attacks that would not be tolerated were he of another religion.
So who is to blame? MyManMitt's Justin Hart weighs-in, via email:
"I might add that Mormons aren't the least interested in making this about a war of religions. The tension seems to be coming from one side of the equation." Regardless of who is to blame, this, of course, is not good for the GOP. Never mind so-cons vs. fiscal cons, now there's going to be a fracture among the conservative religious base, too??? No wonder Republicans like to pick the standard-bearer so far in advance ...
Update: Huckabee's Director of Research, Joe Carter, emails me this:
I have to agree with my friend Justin Hart who said, “The tension seems to be coming from one side of the equation." Indeed, it’s the side that keeps emailing this type of thing to reporters and bloggers in the hopes that they can make this about a candidate’s religion rather than about their positions on the issues.
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Religious tolerance. One side of the equation insists that Mormons are not going to be tolerated. Also, Mitt isn't a Mormon minister making political sermons. |
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...when LDS missionaries knock on doors, they don't know the religious persuasion of the people who live there. They are happy to speak to anyone who will listen, regardless of which religion they believe in or whether they are religious at all or not.
On the other hand, the convention in Salt Lake City was for the specific purpose of targeting Mormons. Many Baptists hate Mormonism and Mormons themselves. Just look at the picketing that goes on at LDS conferences and other events.
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One thing is certain, a number of bloggers, have little to no credibility. Soren is a great example. How in the world can that guy shill for Mike Huckabee? My definition of hypocrisy is when your rhetoric of today does little to match your actions of yesterday. And Mike's new positions of immigration, taxes, and crime are more troubling than any other candidate. Where does Mike stand? Why have Soren and other of the bloggers jump on board with big Jimmy Carter, little Bill Clinton.
Those are legit questions. And what do you Matt--you use your small electron space to fictionalize some religious war. Real cute. |
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. . . an American Leader, instead of a Christian Leader, since apparently running as a Christian one ties him to Anti-Mormonism. |
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Fails to convert LDS to their Pentacostal Baptist faith because they do not target LDS. Their literature is not geared toward LDS but adherants to the Baptist faith. The literature is hand me down information based off the writings of counter-cult writers like the Tanners, Walter Martin, Ed Decker,etc.. The literature is sensationalism, pure sensationalism. Then when members of the SBC come to preach their version of "truth and love" to LDS it is in the form of...sensationalized picketers who arent interested in converting LDS, but rather in belittleing LDS with slogans and smears on picket signs.
The SBC isn't interested in converting LDS as much as they are in trying to control their own by putting down the LDS faith by making the LDS look as crazy as possible. They do this by not telling the whole truth, but telling half truths and out right fabrications, in the name of "truth and love".
The SBC is not interested in truth or love, when it comes to LDS.
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he's the one that keeps bringing jesus and religion into all his speeches, runs ads about being a Christian Leader, and (while Governer) participates in relgious conferences in (apparently) his ministerial role.
He's bringing all of this stuff on himself.
And with the quarantining of homosexuals . . . he's coming off as more and more intolerant with every passing day. |
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and the SBC are one in the same to me. |
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Any proponent position can be characterized as anti-everything_else... if you're an unscrupulous idiot.
I am pro Chevy, therefore I am anti-Ford?
I am pro shirt tucked in, therefore I am anti shirt left untucked?
I am pro white bread, therefore I am anti-wheat bread?
I am pro jeans, therefore I am anti-slacks?
C'mon, God gave you a brain... use it. |
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But I'll consider casting a protest vote if Huckabee is the nominee . . . not b/c of a his tacit attacks on Mitt's Mormonism, but because of his (1) liberal politics and (2) overt blurring of church/state lines in the names of populism.
Fact his, he comes across to me as a liberal populist. |
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Huckabee engaged in anti Mormon activity while he was a sitting Governor. That is an indication of how he would govern if elected POTUS, with an anti Mormon bias. Further, it is clear evidence that he has no problem mixing church and state.
Mike Huckabee is running as Pastor in Chief and that is a very bad situation for the Republican Party.
I expect Huck to have shown the God Makers and other anti Mormon films and engaged in anti Mormon activties. Many Ministers did in the past. Most have acknowledged that as a mistake. An apology would be appropriate from Huckabee if he plans to represent all of the voters. |
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...not defined by being pro-Baptist, Mormon, or any other religion. Anti-X is when specific groups are targeted with distortions and lies. Mormon missionaries are not taught to target groups, or how to "Bible bash" with people of other faiths, they preach the Gospel as they understand it in a positive manner. Other faiths are not to be maligned or demonized. The difference is in the tone: is it building up one's own beliefs, or tearing down anothers. I have seen protestant Christian churches advertizing showings of movies whose sole purpose is to attack other people's beliefs. |
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I would have no problem with Baptists trying to convert Mormons. The problem is not in being opposed to Mormon beliefs even explicitly. I think it is reasonable to disagree about beliefs on an intellectual level. The problem is the amount of intellectual dishonesty involved in much of the anti-Mormon literature used by these groups. God does not condone lies even if they are used for purportedly noble purposes. If a Baptist disagrees with the Mormon belief that God has a physical body and is a separate person from Jesus then have at it. If the accusation is that Mormonism isn't true because of something Joseph Smith was accused of in a newspaper at the time (when fact checking was substantially worse than today)then we have a problem. |
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Sadly, for all his discipline, Mitt's Team (or at least his supporters) have fallen into the religion trap.
Complaining about Huckabee pitching for his faith in 1998 will do nothing but bring more attention to (a) his and Mitt's and everyone else's religion, and (b) his and Mitt's and everyone else's questionable statements in the past. For the reasons of religious bias and simple math, (a) hurts Mitt. He is a prominent member of a minority religion, one which accounts for 2% of the electorate. Huckabee is a member of a much larger, if looser, group: Evangelical Christians. Even the comparisons to JFK's speech are flawed for this reason; Catholics were and are a much bigger bloc of the voting public than Mormons, and voted for JFK in large numbers.
Secondly, bringing up past statements and positions will only hurt a candidate who as recently as 2002 was pro-choice, pro-gay, anti-gun, pro-immigration, and pro-campaign finance reform. Remember, Mitt is the one touting his not being "politically correct." Attacking Huck on AIDS and preaching seems to want to apply PC tests, but only selectively. |
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The SBC came to Chicago several years ago to convert the Hindus. This despite the fact that the Chicago Hindu community was peaceful and had good relations with the Catholic and Orthodox Christian communities as well as the Jewish community in Chicago. In fact, the Cardinal asked the SBC not to come.
Eventually, they came, they left and I'm not sure they got so much as a single convert from the enterprise. They tried to plant 2 Churches, I'm not sure how those have done.
The SBC really doesn't have much of a presence in Chicago because as a faith, I suspect it is tied up a lot with Southern values, traditions, and concepts which may not be present in Chicago. The only community with Southern US routes in the US is the African-American community, and the SBC has not been popular in it, probably for historic reasons. |
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. . . or does every day Huckabee looks more and more like a person running for Pastor in Chief?
Good gosh almighty, if you took his name our of some of these stories, replaced it with the name "Amadinejad" and then replaced the word "Jesus" with "mahdi" you might not even even know the difference.
This guy is way backwards . . . |
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My son and I differ radically on religion. Does that mean I don't love him? For heaven's sakes. I am not a Baptist, but if a Baptist strongly believes that Moromonism is wrong he/she is willing to contend strongly for what he believes. Just like the Mormons who have tried strenuously to convert me to their way of thinking. Does that mean they hate me? Of course not. I would vote for either Huckabee or Romney even though I disagree religiously with both of them. |
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I looked at the article and the text of Huckabee's speech. I missed the part where he insulted or even tried to convert Mormons.
Religions try to convert people as new members. It happens all the time. But I don't see how the SBC holding it's convention in Salt Lake means that it/Huck was insulting Mormons. The text of Huck's speech is pretty much boilerplate, pro-God, pro-religion vs. corrupt culture stuff.
I understand that for LDS folks, SLC is the home base. But does that mean other religions can't preach / proselytize there?
I agree that having such a figure as President might be a bad idea. But I also know that Mitt himself said religion should be in the public square... |
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It wasn't the location that was the problem.
They were handing out a book entitled "Mormonism Unmasked: Confronting the Contradictions Between Mormon Beliefs and True Christianity"
Just passing out a little anti-Mormon literature is all.
Has anyone ever seen a convention of LDS people where they hand out anti-Baptist propaganda?
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. . . it was inflammatory.
Could you imagine Mormons going to Vatican City to hold their conference on Mormonism, and then handing out little books called "Cathoicism Unmasked"?
There's your equivalent.
Anyone who doubts that this inflammatory stuff goes on should visit an LDS General Conference in SLC sometime and see the number of people outside picketing, yelling at Mormons through bullhorns, parading around with sacred mormon garmnets on the outside of their clothes, handing out pamphlets . . . It's ridiculous. It's a semi-annual meeting where Mormons gather to hear from general leaders and you can't get from point A to point B without some nutter megaphoning in your ear about how you're going to hell. |
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The stated purpose of holding the SBC in Salt Lake City that year was to tell the mormons they were going to hell and had to repent. They printed up anti-LDS pamphlets and videos and went door-to-door with them. replace mormon with jew and imagine the reaction? I'd welcome the SBC's visit I think we all win when a religion gather it's adherents and tries to make them stronger, but that wasn't what that year was about. Furthermore, even knowing Huck is essentially anti-mormon wouldn't stop me from voting for him, but....
the 700 pardons + wayne dumond + his love of raising taxes + his unwillingness to take an enforcement stance on illegal immigration until several months after running for president + his denial (didn't bother me much that he called for it I think more than one person thought that at some point even if he was a little late to the game) of ever calling for aids victims to be quarantined + his call for a national ban on smoking in the workplace + his love of government solutions for tiny problems...
Those things give me serious pause about his conservative ideals. I love his anti-abortion stance, but I think that's about where we part ways. Honestly if Huck is the nominee he is the first candidate where I find that it would be difficult to vote for him over Hillary.
You see, if Hillary wins she'll be a disaster but then so would Huck in my estimation. the difference is that Hillary's disaster would assure 16 more years of republican dominance and Huck's well that'd be about the end of Republicans for the far foreseeable future. Bush has put us in a precarious spot and we can't afford another compassionate conservative especially when he has been double-dosing on compassionate steroids. |
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It's pretty hard not to believe that the SBC chose SLC for the distinct purpose of digging the LDS church. They do it all the time. They seem to be obsessed with bringing down Mormomism. But it does not go the other way, and never has. It's a fight, but only on the part of the baptists.
I once sent an email to Richard Land in which I expressed disappointment in an article he wrote that included many false assertions about Mormonism. He sent a 7 page letter in response about how Mormons are definitely not Christian. Imagine yourself in the same position. A man telling you, personally that you are not Christian, when you know in your heart that you are.
What's up with that? Seriously? It tells you all you need to know about some evangelicals obsession with the LDS faith. And it's pretty disheartening.
Now, we know that Huck chose to speak at a convention specifically chosen for it's location. I agree with BG, it would be very interesting to know whether Huckabee has even participated in Mormon-bashing as a preacher. Because he is most certainly running as the "not Mormon" candidate.
Try reversing the records or both Romney and Huckabee. If Romney had Huck's record would he be a contender? No way, at all.
If Huckabee had Romney's successful record in so many areas he would sail through, no problem. It truly is Romney's Mormonism that is hurting him with certain evangelicals. |
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quick, you own a big company and it's been running in the red for some time and has lost its way financially. you have a choice between mitt romney and mike huckabee to right your ship. who do you choose?
on the one hand, you have one of the most successful change leaders on the planet, and on the other hand you have a professional politician who spent the better part of his non-political life giving speeches.
romney would be your best bet to fix that company. huck's only idea (based on his governing) would be to "raise prices on the consumer".
romney can fix the US. it's in his skill set. huckabee can't. even if he does stay at a holiday inn express.
this whole religion thing has gotten way out of hand (as huckabee would like it to, b/c it obscures how mitt towers above huckabee in all areas relevant to helping our great nation get through its looming fiscal crises).
end of story in my book. |
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Well, this campaign is removing all the masks, which were hiding the suttle bigotry in America.
I wonder, do you people who revere Ronald Reagan, realize that:
1-It was a Mormon who put together the game plan, which got Reagan elected.
2-Reagan surrounded himself with Mormons.
He had respect for the LDS. It was he who named the Mormon Tabernacle Choir, "America's Choir".
3-His chief pollster and advisors were LDS.
His Lt. Gov in Ca. was LDS.
He had Mormons in his Cabinet, just as Eisenhower, Kennedy, Johnson, Nixon, Ford, and both Bush's have had.
It's been the LDS community, which has been with you, side by side, fighting the great social issues of our day.
It was the Mormons, first on the ground at Katrina, among other national disasters.
Mormons have served with distinction in Congress and many cabinet level positions.
They've sacrificed for this country in every war and have been at the center of industry and contributors to America as a whole.
As you sit down and watch TV tonight, remember, it was a wild eyed, with horns, Mormon, who was the Father of electronic television, among countless other inventions.
Remember this, you anti-Mormon Evangelicals,
our memories are long and if you continue to burn these bridges with the Mormons, the day will come that Mormons will not stand side by side with you anymore. Six million of us just may find another team of oxen to hitch our wagons to.
Mormons have supported the Republicans and conseratives, in greater numbers than any other group.
You people are so ignornant that you don't even know who your allies are. Wake up and stop your tirade aganist Mormons or suffer the consequences.
We're watching you and will remember who our friends are.
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Exactly right. The LDS people are among the most patriotic in the country. We have stood firmly for every conservative cause.
I found out about 10 years ago, listening to a Christain radio station in Portland, that I was not welcome (being LDS) to be part of the so-called conservative team. I was shocked, frankly, to hear a Christian woman dissing my faith. Up to that point, I honestly believed that Christians welcomed the addition of Mormons in fighting for conservative causes. It was very eye-opening. |
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Joe Carter was wrong when he pushed the Marriot story in July and he is wrong to fan the flame of religious tension. In fact, the camp that Joe called LAZY just ran a story Miami.
We all know that the liberal press is ready to unload on Huckabee--start ACTING PROFESSIONAL JOE. I am sick of these weak assumptions and unfounded charges by employees of Presidential camps like Huckabee. It is exceptionally wrong to fan the flames of religious problems like what Joe is doing. This is why Thompson did not hire you Joe. |
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Although I doubt Huckabee himself was handing out pamphlets, I see how one could be offended by the context. I actually think all this religious hulabuloo is silly stuff - I'm not LDS or EC, for the record. If one truly believes one's religion is right, and all the others are "wrong" and will send you to hell, it becomes a task of Solomonic difficulty deciding where decorum ends and offensiveness begins, when one is seeking converts. (I am quite annoyed by any of those folks who ring my doorbell, although I'm sure they are good people with pure intentions.) Anyway, Huckabee will not have your vote, it seems, and I understand why.
PC, Mitt will not have mine. And repeating your bigotry charge is not changing minds. It's Mitt's flip-flops on abortion, guns, and gays make me doubt his sincerity. I am sure he is a capable businessman, but his own quote explains my resistance to him, "Americans tire of those who would jettison their beliefs, even to gain the world." Outside of his religious beliefs, that quote personifies why Romney will not get my vote.
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Then I guess you would not have voted for Reagan or Bush 41 since they "evolved" on abortion, too.
Romney governed in a way that would make every conservative proud, and through his public service came to view his private beliefs in a new way.
Just like Reagan and Bush 41. |
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I really appreciate your most recent post, whether or not I agree with someone I always admire somone who can admit he has things to learn from others.
I am curious though about where you believe Mitt changed his position on gays? |
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Huck will not have my vote, but not because he's probably anti-Mormon. That really bothers me, for sure, but if I had to vote for a person who was great in every other way, - I would do it without hesitation, because most people just don't understand the LDS church.
But he's wrong on practically every issue. And he's got ethical issues - he lies and steals furniture. He was in favor of overruling just sentences to please his minsiter friends. Talk about corruption. He couldn't have cared less about the families he hurt by doing so, and the danger he subjected all of us to by letting the criminals out.
He's ignorant about foreign policy and simply does not understand the WOT. He is wrong on economic and tax issues - he doesn't understand how the ecomony works.
I mean, we can go on and on with just how much a disaster Huck would be. I'll never vote for him because as someone already said today, 4 years of Hillary is far preferable to Huck killing the GOP for good. |
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As a conservative Mormon, I'm with Bloke. Let's take a look for a different party/movement. If Republicans think Mike Huckabee is the answer to America's problems over Mitt Romney, there is no hope for this group. |
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Huckabee spoke at a Baptist convention where "some members were trying to convert Mormons". So what. Mormons try to convert Baptists and Presbyterians and Methodists etc etc etc. So what. |
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that 30 years ago when I was "ambushed" by my recently converted cousin and her "guests" at a "dinner party" - the attempts to convert me were pretty aggressive and nonrelenting. I didn't realize I had been invited for that purpose. It didn't matter that I affirmed that I was a committed Presbyterian. However, the LDS missionaries who knock on my door now are nice young men who accept my statement without argument. I don't mind their coming to invite me to join their church. Their invitation comes from a "good place" and is well intentioned. Maybe some of the rancor the writers are detecting come from unpleasant encounters in the past. It has nothing to do with the politics of today and the race for 2008. It doesn't belong in this arena. Let's not be distracted from the important task of electing the next President. |
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guess you missed all the posts in this thread about this event . . . it was highly insulting, inflammatory, and provocative. There was no effort made at understanding.
It was those kinds of events that led Richard Mouw, president of Fuller Theological Seminary, to say on Nov. 1, 2005.
"Let me state it clearly. We evangelicals have sinned against you," Mouw said, noting a tendency among some Christians to distort the truth about the beliefs of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter- day Saints. "We have told you what you believe without making a sincere effort first of all to ask you what you believe."
Mouw went on to explain that "we have even on occasion demonized you, weaving conspiracy theories about what the LDS community is 'really' trying to accomplish in the world."
There are many, many evangelicals who have been fair to Mormons, but many of those that showed up at the SBC convention were not of that ilk.
And lest I be accused of sanctimoniousness, I am sure there have been Mormons that from time to time have misrepresented Evangelical views. |
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The truth begins to come out!
Romney = Clinton
He will do anything to get elected.
He is not trustworthy.
Please don't give me an grief about his being a mormon. I couldn't care less.
He is a political opportunist. He obfuscates questions about his own liberal social policies, and then undermines through underhanded attacks his closest political rival.
He will say or do anything to be elected. He is from the political elite. His father was a prominent politician. He hasn't had to worry about money a single moment in his life. He has no concept of scraping and clawing to make ends meet.
Huckabee is the best communicator in the republican party in a long time. He is genuine. He has not tried to excuse his positions, he has attempted to put them in the proper context. He even acknowledged those are my words and I won't try to spin them.
Huckabee is a conservative, no matter what romney's shills portray. Mike fought against the political machine of clinton and won. These attacks have been tried before. Mike is staying above the fray.
I ask any romney apologist to show me how Huckabee has impugned Romney's religion. The worst thing Huck has done is point out the romney has flip-flopped on social issues.
Huckabee = honest, genuine, masterful communicator
Romney = clintonesque, opportunistic, reads a teleprompter at least as well as Bush.
The people are flocking to Huck not because of just issues, we admire his personal accomplishments, his willingness to answer questions clearly, and his vision of a United States that is free, secure, and economically competitive in the world.
A VOTE FOR ROMNEY = A VOTE FOR RUDY
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bloke writes: "Mormons
Well, this campaign is removing all the masks, which were hiding the subtle bigotry in America."
Actually, the "subtle bigotry" was already on full display during the tussle over the Bush/Kennedy immigration bill earlier this year. The racial slurs being hurled around TH by nativists against Hispanics (even legal immigrants) as a people and as a culture were disgusting. As were the obscene personal attacks against great TH columnists like Linda Chavez for daring to stand up to the nativism.
You just didn't notice it, because THAT bigotry was targeting somebody else not in the loyal GOP base: Hispanic immigrants.
Now that bigotry is flying back and forth between two loyal elements of the GOP base: Mormons from Utah and evangelical Christians from the rest of the Sun Belt. And now we can't escape seeing the deep streak of xenophobia in so many social conservatives these days.
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Huckabee's Director of Research, Joe Carter, emails Lewis this:
I have to agree with my friend Justin Hart who said, “The tension seems to be coming from one side of the equation." Indeed, it’s the side that keeps emailing this type of thing to reporters and bloggers in the hopes that they can make this about a candidate’s religion rather than about their positions on the issues.
AND HE'S THE GUY REPRESENTING THE CANDIDATE WHO AS A GOVERNOR TRAVELED TO THESE EVENTS AND SPOKE!
MAYBE HUCKABEE SHOULD'VE (AT THAT TIME) THOUGHT ABOUT THE IMPLICATIONS OF BEING INVOLVED IN ANTI-MORMON ACTIVITIES WHILE BEING IN PUBLIC OFFICE. |
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Huckabee = clinton
The truth begins to come out!
Huckabee = Clinton
He will do anything to get elected.
He is not trustworthy.
Please don't give me an grief about his being a evangelial minister. I couldn't care less.
He is a political opportunist. He obfuscates questions about his own liberal policies, and then undermines through underhanded attacks his closest political rival.
He will say or do anything to be elected. He is a populist.
Romney is the best candidate in the republican party in a long time. He is genuine. He has not tried to excuse his positions, he has attempted to put them in the proper context. He even acknowledged those are my words and I won't try to spin them.
Romney is a conservative, no matter what Huckabee's shills portray. Mitt fought against the political machine of Massachusetts and won. These attacks have been tried before. Mitt is staying above the fray.
I ask any Huckabee apologist to show me how Romney has impugned Huckabee's religion. The worst thing Mitt has done is point out that Huckabee has flip-flopped on immigration issues.
Romney = honest, genuine, masterful communicator
Huckabee = clintonesque, opportunistic, reads a teleprompter at least as well as Bush.
The people are flocking to Mitt not because of just issues, we admire his personal accomplishments, his willingness to answer questions clearly, and his vision of a United States that is free, secure, and economically competitive in the world.
A VOTE FOR HUCKABEE = A VOTE FOR RUDY |
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One word you forgot about the Hispanic Immigrants
ILLEGAL
No sabes de que hablas. Nosotros que venimos aqui legalmente somos ciudadanos. Los que llegan aqui por medios illegales son MIGRANTES y nada mas. No tienen deseos de ser ciudadanos pues, solo tomar y tomar. |
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Is Huckabee a typical Baptist Minister or is he part of the anti Mormon spin Machine, like Keller in FL, John Ankerberg, and John Weldon?
Further, and perhaps more important politically is Huckabee also anti Catholic,
like Ankerberg and other well springs in the anti Mormon spin Machine.
They tend to go after Catholics, Masons, Jehovah Witnesses, Christian Scientists and just about every body they think they can sell anti books about or produce anti films that can be shown for offerings at local churches.
Ankerberg is famous for his extensive career of calling other religions cults. |
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Has Huck used any of Ankerberg's material which included attacks on Catholics? Has he used materials in his churches that attacked other faiths and groups like the Masons? |
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Three points: First, I am sick of the Mormon-bashing first, and second, I am growing weary of the Mitt-smearing by members of the loony left professional Hillary hacks, the PaulPot robots and the McCainiacs. The push polling, the whisper campaign, the outright lies and distortions: and I thought Iowans were among the more highly educated citizens of this great land. Is it Hawkeye or Blind eye as the mascot? My third point is that conservatives notwithstanding, Iowa has, for many years, always voted Dhimmicrat for Presidential elections so this Mitt-trashing shouldn't surprise me?
That leftist idiot Maureen male-bashing Dowd of the NYT has also another anti-Mormon piece. But I expect that from the Dhimmicrat material secularists and the atheists-- not from fellow GOPers. Huck's long-time advisor is the Brooklyn boy and toe-sucker Dick Morris who was also the triagulation theorist for the Clintons. I wouldn't doubt if Machievellian Dick Morris used Ankerberg/Goebbels' propaganda to try to smear Romney. Morris is a dirty rat, a scoundrel, and if it weren't for his falling out with Hillary, he would still be Slick Willie's lap dog. Now he is the Huckster's pet poodle. One ought to check out the morals on Huckster's chief political wizard. Gag me!
A vote for Huck means the DREAM act and the US as a magnet for illegals, more pardons, more taxes and bigger government. NO THANKS! If Huck wins the nomination, I think I am going to hurl, and then I will walk over and vote for Billary or Obama, just to make sure Huck never wins! I am sure a lot of other GOPers feel the same way. |
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I just have to say it. There is NO REASON for Mike Huckabee to have been at that convention in Salt Lake City. He only helped increased the divide between those who are trying to live a moral, Christ-centered life---Evangelical Christians and Mormons alike. I am again, so disappointed to hear about this kind of behavior from Mike Huckabee. As one who started out as a firm Huck supporter, it is behavior such as this that is a complete turn-off to me. Go back to preaching Mike. That's what you seem to keep gravitating to anyway... Your whole campaign is built upon a straw house of "Christian" values and so-called Christ-like behavior. You talk the talk, but you certainly don't walk the walk sir.... |
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Well, hope springs eternal but unfortunately for two of its more political alumni, Hope, Arkansas has led to two populists cut of of the Huey Long mold. This has led to disaster for the rest of the country. Well, the media has loved the Huckster since he lived in a double-wide trailer and lost some weight. As one wag put it, "Now that the Huckster can control what goes into his mouth, maybe he can also control what comes out of his mouth." especially at his beloved evangelical anti-Mormon love-fest rallies...white sheets optional.
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In less time than it takes to argue over who has the best God you can check all the candidates' positions on the issues. That would make more sense than someone's religious choice being made the issue of contention. |
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Of all the hundreds of articles that have been written on the subject, not one has done much more than casually mention or discuss the "evangelical" distaste for Mormonism. This is the only one that even comes close to brushing on subject.
I'd love it if one of these reporters actually gets up from their computer and visits one of the thousands of baptist, pentacostal and other churches scattered across the country? I think it would be helpful to hear some reporting on the time and energy these preachers spend "innoculating" their flocks from the clean cut young men in white shirts and ties who will inevitably knock on their doors and offer them a free copy of the book of mormon?
It is sad that our national discourse in such a crucial election is being so heavily influenced by the after effects of a decades-long religious marketing competition between Mormons and those evangelicals who don't proselyte as aggressively.
Story after story points out the conflict between mormon theology and traditional evangelical interpretations of Christianity and then simply lists the same things that any simple google search will uncover.
While legitimate differences do exist between Mormonism and Evangelical Doctrines, those who really care can discuss them. In the meantime, there is too much misinformation and plain untruth about mormon doctrine spread by these churches anti-mormon marketing/protection efforts.
How about a story that looks at the source of why these differences are so important to so many otherwise good people who attend evangelical churches? How about a story that reports on how much time and money these churches and groups spend preaching against somebody else's religion? |
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We need to know if Huckabee has used or promoted any of Ankerberg's or other's anti Catholic material in his churches. Has he shown or promoted any of Ankerberg's cult materials?
These are comments from Ankerberg's Website.
"In a nutshell, it would seem that there are so many ways in which Catholicism is not biblical that it is logically impossible to classify it as a genuine Christian religion." (Ankerberg and Weldon).
"To demonstrate that Roman Catholicism bears the mark of a cult is quite easy indeed..... A closer look at the other signs of a cult further confirm the fact that Catholicism, while large in number, humanitarian in practice, is still unbiblical and perhaps the mother of all "Christian" cults."(Dural)
One whole article on Mary "Catholic and Occult View of Mary" (Ankerberg and Weldon). |
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It is one thing to run on values that have common ground in religion, tradition and natural law. It is another thing entirely to run on the idea that your religion should become the defacto State Religion.
This country will not elect a Pastor in Chief.
If you read Huck's own words He believes that Church (his Church) should run and be the State. State is an extension of his Religion.
Huckabee has stated, "Politics are totally directed by worldview. That's why when people say, 'We ought to separate politics from religion,' I say to separate the two is absolutely impossible".[Huckabee] Huckabee believes in Biblical inerrancy.[Parks]
That makes Huckabee identical to the Taliban and Bin Laden in World View. Their narrow interpretation of Religion should become the Government and force everyone else to comply. That is what we are fighting against in Iraq and Afghanistan. How is Huck's position any different than the Leaders of Iran, the Taliban or Bin Laden?
Parks, Scott. "Huckabee's not preaching to choir;Arkansas governor leads largely Democratic state", Dallas Morning News, 1997-03-09.
Huckabee, Mike (1997). Character Is The Issue. Nashville: Broadman & Holman, 98. |
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Huck's positive, divinely inspired responses are almost poetic in nature with is a fine thing. (Ion, 534b3-6) |
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Cannot spell tonight whenever I talk about Huck. |
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I hear good things about almost all of the candidates almost all day until I come to what used to be (and I'm sure will be again someday) my favorite show. Hugh and his townhall are breaking Reagan's rule 1. Thou shall not smear the other republican. I chose Huckabee because of Mike Farris of HSLDA's endorsment. The reasoning is solid. Only 1 man was a proven governor, pro-lifer, and pro- marraige guy.
Mitt made a great speech the other day. He moved from shaky 3rd on my list to a solid 3rd on my list behind Gov. Huckabee and Sen. Thompson. The end of my list is mayor what's his name and the libertine-ian Paul. The other in between would be good but I'm afraid less likely to win. Although I hope American is not ready for a communist president even if she is a woman.
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I am sure that if Gov. Huckabee wasn't polling well even though he's being outspent a gagillion to one by Rudy and Mitt he wouldn't be attacked. If Fred had come on strong the Mitt folks would be after him. They are after the same voters; me. I am the religious consvative you are always hearing about. These are my 3 guys. Mitt is ahead Huckabee is coming on and Fred is behind. I am a Conservative Baptist and I'd be happier with Mitt if he was a better Mormon it is his record in office that makes him 3rd on my list if he hadn't been able to win over radically liberal Mass. with his compromises I would be more excited; but I trust him to do a good job if elected and his sign will be in my yard if he beats my guy in the primary. Any o f them would be good. I think Mike would be best, and most electable so that's my vote.
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We took our family to the pageant at Nauvoo. At the gates, there were the usual, expected distributors of anti-Mormon kindling for my wood stove. After finding comfortable seats on the lawn, I found my way back to the gate. I shouted to the guys distributing the hate stuff, "Hey guys, we're back!" One of them spoke up to me, explaining that they had nothing to do with producing what they were distributing. A Mormon-hating evangelical group paid them as independent contractors to do this job. I try to imagine how the evangelical group is going to explain, after death, that they spent their members' financial contributions on independent contractors, let alone on the hate they had produced in print. |
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HILLARY will wipe the floor with HUCK
He is the ONE GOP candidate who cannot and will not beat HILLARY
that is the bottom line
he has a million land fills full of garbage in his closet that Hillary can drag out into the public.
AGAIN Desperate right wing GOP bible thumpers will again hand the Communist clintoons an easy win: |
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HUCK is a FLAMING LIBERAL in a Preachers Cloak
he is PRO AMNESTY for illegals
he is PRO give illegals benefits citizens do not get
HUCK regards every product or service as a big tax increase opportunity.
As an independent conservative I see the bible thumpers handing Hillary an easy win |
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During Hucks speech anti-mormon books were handed out even to the reporters at the speech. Everyone who attended recieved a packet full of anti- mormon literature. And Huckabee doesnt know anything about the Mormons? He also said he doesnt know much about his faith. Maybe its because he spends a lot of time leaning the crazy beleifs of others.
Somehow he was just asking the reporter if Mormons believe the satan Jesus thing? Yah Right! Why doesnt he ask a Mormon what they beleive? Would you go to Judas Iscariot or Ceasar to find out what Christ believes or one of his diciples? |
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