Monday, March 26, 2007
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Gonzo's Got To Go
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Posted by:
Dean Barnett at
11:25 AM
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One thing that’s been overlooked in the U.S. Attorneys scandal is just how political by nature such appointments are. A quick example: In November 2001, at the behest of an aged South Carolina Senator, George W. Bush appointed 28 year-old Strom Thurmond Jr. to be the U.S. Attorney for South Carolina.
At the time, no one accused young Thurmond of being a prodigy or the next Louis Brandeis. Also at the time, the Democrats controlled the Senate. Nonetheless, the Senate confirmed young Thurmond by voice vote. One might think such a flagrant example of nepotism going unchallenged is the relic of a more civilized bygone era, but ‘tis not. It has long been known that U.S. Attorneys serve at the pleasure of the president, and that pleasure can be a whim if the POTUS so dictates.
Which brings us to Alberto Gonzales. The competent members of the administration should have known that with Harriet Miers and Alberto Gonzales teaming to cashier 8 U.S. Attorneys, the scenario would inevitably result in calamity. Gonzales and Miers are two of the president’s Texas friends, and neither one of them had previously demonstrated the ability to organize a one car funeral. In short, these terminations should have been easy. Thanks to the maladroit efforts of the Dynamic Duo, they weren’t.
SO HERE WE ARE. Democrats are screaming about a scandal that isn’t; if they had any indications of the White House impeding or manipulating justice, they surely would have shared their theories with us by now. The fact that no Democrat either in politics or in the media (old or new) has yet uttered the phrase “obstruction of justice” is telling. There’s no there here.
But we are still left with the incompetence of the Attorney General. He has served the president poorly. What would be an echo of a more dignified bygone era is if Gonzales tendered his resignation because of that simple fact. And let’s face it – it’s not exactly like the remarkable series of missteps regarding the axed U.S. attorneys were out of character for Gonzales. He has hardly distinguished himself as a defender of the president’s justifiable wartime policies as the increasingly missed John Ashcroft did. Even before his recent stumbles, Gonzales had been at best a mediocre Attorney General. And that’s a charitable assessment,
So why keep him around? Denying the Democrats the scalp that they so desperately seek would be a fine thing; given the majority’s increasingly feral nature, it’s likely that Gonzales’ departure would only embolden them.
Alas, at a time of war, and especially during this peculiar war where our system of justice faces such serious challenges, having a lightweight as Attorney General just doesn’t cut it. Some say that the administration wants to keep Gonzales around because it fears a confirmation fight. If this is true, the administration has miscalculated badly. The administration should have learned when John Roberts went up to the Hill that a confirmation fight is nothing to fear if and when you choose the right guy.
The Bush administration should move on from the bumbling and stumbling of the Gonzales era. Needless to say, Gonzales’ successor should be capable of competently dispatching mundane tasks such as firing eight U.S. Attorneys. The administration should also find an Attorney General who will forcefully articulate and defend the administration’s justifiable and necessary wartime policies. If the Democrats want to have a political battle on terrain so hospitable to Republican interests, all the better.
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Bryce - Agreed about the 5th and implication of guilt.
Davod - I agree with you, except about your point of taking the 5th because of the testimony of others. Yes, you can be charged, agreed.
That being said, I thought/think that the 5th ONLY covers incriminating yourself.
Can you give me an example where someone would be allowed to take the 5th based on the testimony of others? |
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She doesn't have to have given testimony for her to be placed in jeopardy. If what she says is contradicted by others then she can be charged, regardless of whether she was truthfull. |
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as any legal expert will tell you, No inferrence of guilt should be assumed when someone takes the fifth. |
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For all of us would be constitutional lawyers out there.
Is Goodling going to have a problem with this.
First of all the Constitution gives you protection from self incrimination. It does NOT give you protection from testifying at all. I don't care how hostile the people asking the questions are, you don't have protection from a hostile investigation. If someone can show me something different, I'd be glad to consider their argument. Same for arguments about this being a "fishing expedition". No constitutional protection.
How many prosecuting attorneys would be considered friendly to the person being investigated.
To the best of my knowledge Ms. Goodling has never testified before Congress, especially on any of these issues. That is, she has never given any testimony that her new testimony would perjure.
I'm not saying that she is guilty of a crime, but if she is innocent, I think she's going to have a hard time going down the road of the 5th amendment.
I wonder how she's going to feel with a subpoena and being slapped with obstruction of justice charges? |
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I bet Scooter Libby is thinking why didn't I think of that. But then why would he have thought a blinkered eye urged forward by the celebrity carrot promised by the hypocritical MSM would bother prosecuting a crime that didn't exist but for a faulty memory.
But of course this rabid congress will act more responsibly, and certainly won't trivialize the nations’ business by going after a trivial non-event just because its their favorite pastime and gets them airtime.
Testify before Pelosie's congress? Could we play Russian roulette instead? |
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"2. US Attorneys can legally be fired for ANY reason, INCLUDING not prosecuting democrats or falsely prosecuting Republicans."
Even if it isn't obstruction (which it arguably is), it's profoundly scummy. Hence the lying, the 5th am. pleading, etc.
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"I have yet to hear any con make an argument that it is OK for the administration to fire a USA because he/she indicted corrupt GOPers, or refused to indict Dems when they did not think they had a case beyond a reasonable doubt."
Neither have I. The only defenders of the administration have been those that just duck the issue and hope it goes away. (ala Homer's plan to take his nuclear physics final: hide under the coats and hope everything turns out alright) |
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bush fired 80+ U.S. attorneys when he took over in 2001. |
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so you are proud you only get your news from the biased conservative media. most of us try to get information from all sides of an issue so we can make an informed decision.
both sides can be biased but both sides can get it right. when you limit yourself you are leaving yourself open to misinformation. |
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if there is no scandal my conservative friends why is this aide taking the fifth. from what i gather she was involved with domenici and the inglesias mess.
Attorney General Alberto Gonzales' liaison with the White House will refuse to answer questions at upcoming Senate hearings about the firings of eight U.S. attorneys, citing her Fifth Amendment protection against self-incrimination, her lawyer said Monday.
"I have decided to follow my lawyer's advice and respectfully invoke my constitutional right," Monica Goodling, Gonzales' counsel and White House liaison, said in a statement to the Senate Judiciary Committee. |
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Some facts for Dean:
1. US Attorneys serve at the Pleasure of the President.
2. US Attorneys can legally be fired for ANY reason, INCLUDING not prosecuting democrats or falsely prosecuting Republicans.
3. The Congress does not have jurisdiction over the Justice Department, and thus cannot subpoena anyone there to testify.
4. Clinton fired over 600 US Attorneys, and nobody cared. Bush has fired only these six (all of whom were appointed by Clinton, btw), and the democrat party cries "scandal."
5. General Gonzales has not contradicted himself; his statements as of today clarifying his statements as of last week, which clarified his statements as of 12 days ago, make this perfectly clear.
6. There is no underlying crime here. Indeed, "obstruction of justice" has NEVER been classified as a "crime" under ANY LAW.
I get my news from Townhall.com, CNS, and Fox... NOT the liberal, drive-by media.
Case closed. Romney/Santorum in '08!
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He should simply resign and just fall back on the old: "I embarrassed my boss and my position, I regret that I did not do a better job of handling this situation...blah, blah, blah"
That's the smartest play available to him. |
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One of the points that surfaced during Congressional testimony a few weeks ago was that evidence that would have exonerated the guards was ILLEGALLY suppressed by Sutton's prosecution team and they also lied about it to Congress (the guards' own supervisors lied about their own roles including claiming that the guards failed to report the shooting). (If he was unarmed, he must be the only drug runner on the planet who trusts the scum he has to deal with enough to go around unarmed. The FBI forensics corroborated the guards' testimony that they fired when the suspect reached to his belt and turned as if to fire. He was shot in the buttocks at that angle). There was so much evidence manufactured and standard procedures violated that that notorious right-wing nut Senator Feinstein called for a Congressional investigation into the matter. You can keep up to date at America's Most Wanted and Grassfire.org. Believe me, you are operating on woefully inaccurate information. This case is big and will only get bigger. |
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no scandal? just more lies from the administration most afraid to put their hand on a bible when it counts.
maybe townhall pleads a collective fifth...
it's fun to hear hewitt spin and spin and spin... |
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with ad hominem attacks Brob. I know you can't help it but don't get all emotional. If you weren't alive during the Clinton admin. or have poor reading comprehension because you're a Democrat, just find a place where people work and ask the guy with the tie on.
As for baby-maiking machines who need the govt's help, are you seriously saying conservative Repub Christian families are as irresponsible as Libs? again, oh my stiches!
as for Kennedys going to jail, charges have to actually be brought up first. One guy humped the babysitter but the tree took care of him. Ted has a nice warm spot waiting for him that he won't be able to bluster out of.
As for rock the Vote babies, go back and read National Review, Weekly Standard, Hugh's old blogs for all the info you need about who the young vote for.
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Gonzo must go? Right. And who will President Bush get who is (1) acceptable to the conservatives yelling "Gonzo must go" and (2) likely to be confirmed by the Democrats running the Senate? And you want the President to accept this kind of pain because this non-scandal is just the last straw, right? Because the so-called "liberals," who have been screaming their heads off about "Rethuglicans" for years, are screaming about this? Kick Gonzales to the curb and they'll immediately scream about somebody else. They'll immediately start hunting for the figure on the other side of the aisle who appears to be the weakest and the easiest to pick off and they'll go after him. Stop feeding the crocodiles already. |
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the higher education level the more unmarried women. what can i say? since they have no husbands, they want Daddy Dem to take care of them and their test tube babies.
As for scandal, Bill Clinton is the "One Man Gang". my apologies to Rowdy Roddy Piper. From 1993 to 2001 how many of his cronies either died, were investigated, or went to jail? hahaha. nice try bro. And we haven't even got to the Kennedys yet.
as for the youngins, the ones who actually wake up before the polls close and VOTE are conservative. Rock the Vote! Besides, most people become more conservative as they get older unless the drug abuse had long-lasting effects afterall. |
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I think it is Bush's call whether or not to keep Gonzales and I think the constant back stabbing and second guessing of conservatives is getting old. This is a nonscandal and Republicans do not need to help Democrats damage administration officials. Gonzales has been looking into the NSA leaks and a grand jury has been convened in Alexandria. I think the Democrats are trying to get rid of him and as usual they are getting plenty of help from the right. |
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smart libs vote Dem because they feel guilty about being so great. I must tailor my previous comments to this regard. this is the only thing they feel guilty about and they want everyone else to assuage their guilt. |
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You're hilarious trying to compare the Libs and the Repubs in matters of scandal and mendacity. It's like comparing the Yankees to the Red Sox.
Clinton grabs his bible and does what he has to do whenever the polls tell him to. As for lying under oath, again, he did not think it was lying nor important to tell the truth because he is an angel of light. He's also a huckster who still has never been caught nor shamed. You are defending him and that is proof enough. |
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Normal people act guilty if they are guilty. Bush never knows what he is guilty about but the Stupid Party PR machine advises him to act like it just in case.
As for libs like Clinton they never act guilty even if they are guilty. They never believe they are guilty because they are usually shady anyway. It doesn't matter anyway since they are better than everyone else and it is for our own good.
Gonzalez should stay for 6 months until everyone except the Dems are bored with it. |
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the truly scandalous USA in my opinion is Sutton who should be indicted for framing the border guards who shot a notorious and dangerous drug runner. If he was acting on orders from above, which I find hard to believe that he was not, there may be actual grounds for impeachment. |
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I'm not sure whether you are criticizing my statement. I actually agree with Dean that Gonzo should go, I say resign. This administration, and I voted for it twice, is an unqualified embarassment. Bush's sense of loyalty to his friends is not a virtue when he should never have appointed his incompetent, albeit loyal, friends in the first place. Meritocracies work better than aristocracies in democratic societies. |
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that would be the line the Democrats would be pushing.
Right now, it isn't - so (seems to me) their fans here know better than to try pushing it now.
That said, I agree with some of Dan's sentiments (above):
The Administration has no stomach or aptitude for defending itself politically. It has rolled over in the face of often ridiculous criticism so many times that it now acts guilty no matter how outrageous the charge.
While it's one thing to refuse to let the opinions of idiots affect your self image, it's another thing entirely to forget that "the troops" (in this case, meaning "voters") need to have confidence in their leader, which means THEY can't see YOU refusing to respond to unfair / dishonest charges. Eventually, it wears on their morale and you lose support - which, in this particular business, means you lose influence over the agenda.
The President has been too loyal to lousy performance by subordinates, too forgiving of insubordination and too accommodating to Congress (both Republicans and Democrats). He's continued to ask the Rodney King question ("Can't we all just get along?") long after he had his answer ("NO!!"). Far from "ignoring" Congress, etc. (as charged by RINO Hagel), he's let Congress believe he can be rolled on just about anything - which is why they're reacting with such fury re: current strategy in Iraq ("He's always backed down to bluster in the past ...").
His - and therefore our (as in "the nation", not "the party") problem is he's one of the few guys in Washington who's trying to win in Iraq & all this crap - a lot of the responsibility for which lies at his feet - undermines the mission. |
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I should have expected the tu quoque argument. Fortunately I think the country has turned a deaf ear to these fallacies now as after 6 years, it no longer has any resonance. Finally the public is getting a peak behind the curtain as a result of oversight that never existed. And no matter how much the spinmeisters try, I do not believe the American public will dismiss this as a politically motivated and manufactured scandal. One DoJ official has stepped down, another when on indefinite leave, a third is asserting her 5th Amendment rights and Gonzo himself will likely have to do the same given his unequivocal lie to Congress.
This scandal, unlike any before it, will resonate and have legs. With each passing day, it only gets more serious for the Administration who could have nipped it in the bud by having Gonzo resign. Now people are drawing comparisions to the Nixon administration. Couldn't happen to a more deserving bunch. |
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Dean doesn't mention whether Gonzalez should resign, or be fired - just that he has to go. I think he should resign. The scandal here is the Gonzalez would so botch up a simple task that so as to create an actual scandal. Krauthammer had it right. Why lie to Congress? This has been the hallmark of this administration and is probably the result of a false sense of security that comes from being a personal crony of the president. "You're doing a good job Brownie!". One of Powerline guys made the point last week that one of Bush's the most annoying traits is his habit of acting guilty even when he isn't. Gonzales, like many of Bush's crony appointments, is just way over his head and should resign so we can move on. We can only hope that Bush will appoint Giuliani as his replacement. |
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I am not apologizing for finding Rumsfeld and Gonzales and Miller's involvement in promoting torture and abandoning the Geneva conventions for the DoD reprehensible. I do not think they are evil men, but they did not think it through, acted recklessly, and it was a terrible policy decision. It was morally wrong and more importantly it endangered the Iraq mission. It hurt the effectiveness of our efforts in Iraq. That cost American lives.
If that makes me a "Democrat," so be it. Is Con. Herrington a raving liberal too HNAV? http://hughhewitt.townhall.com/g/bafcb37c-4a91-43ad-ae47-c09d43850566 Rather than merely reacting, read that interview and tell me he is wrong.
And it is not just Republicans who screwed up on this. Bill Clinton was equally wrong for rendering prisoners to Egypt and Saudi Arabia.
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let your adversaries know you can. I don't care if anyone but Gonzalez would be an improvement the larger point is that person would be there at the pleasure of the congress and not the President. When in doubt Dean, refer back to the old standby the constiution as your guide.
This isn't about competence, it's a high powered gang fight over constitutional turf. The President needs to grab a broken bottle, get that menacing glare in his eye, and start jabbing, and show he's in the fight.
Seriously folks, just think about it, if competency were the standard for keeping a job in this White House or most anywhere in government for that matter, there would be an awful lot of job openings in Washington. (think CIA, FBI and 911, FEMA and Katrina, DOD and Walter Reed Hospital etc etc)
I rarely part company with Dean but it grates on me when self proclaimed conservatives are so willing to toss allies under the bus, especially when we know doing so will only embolden the purgers to continue the scalp hunt. And why shouldn't they when we make it so easy?
Caving in is nothing short of unmitigated appeasement, and Democrats who, like the terroists they tend to emulate, tactically that is (although I am sure more than a handful would dance in the streets at Bush's beheading) will just step up the attacks at any sign of weakness. Firing Gonzo would be that sign.
What is to be gained by not fighting back at least as hard as they are? Even if it is only for the sake of doing so on principle it also has the benefit of exposing their depraved politics - - but that would require a modicum of competence from the communications dept. so I guess we are right back where we started, sort of... |
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Care to address Gonzalez being caught in a boldface lie to Congress about his participation in the firing of the USAs? |
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LOL !
that's reason?
so Chuck Schumer is going to go back and criminalize the Clinton Administration?
perjury?
the very thing Bill was impeach for?
DNC denial grows even more...
when few could imagine the liberal folly getting worse...
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"Frankly, I think Gonzales hurt the President badly in drafting those torture memos after 9/11 and should be fired on that basis alone. But some of you disagree. Nevertheless, he should be fired for plain incompetence now."
Torture Memos?
you mean the responsible questions this AG made in determining what should be sound policy in dealing with captured TERRORISTS?
the ones the MSM, NY TIMES, dishonest liberal democrat partisans, made into the 'terror memos'?
please, if you opposed the content, or the documentation, that is fine, but the context of your expression implies a negligence that simply did not exist.
in fact, one could suggest, that discourse, questioning what would be the best policy, is a positive example of the AG's competence, which the 'emotive' Conservative cyncis were once proud of...
times change, when the fashion blows... |
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The scandal gets deeper: "Monica Goodling, a Justice Department official involved in the firings of federal prosecutors, will refuse to answer questions at upcoming Senate hearings, citing Fifth Amendment protection against self-incrimination, her lawyer said Monday."
So notwithstanding what Dean and other Republicans are saying, this scandal is not politically manufactured. We have one resignation, another official asserting the 5th Amendment and the highest ranking Justice offical in the country having made what appears to be clearly pejurious statements to Congress while under oath. |
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sorry, don't agree...
nope, nadda, etc...
hype and fashion amongst the Conservatives, trusting MSM reports and some sampling of emails is not healthy.
first, what is your evidence Meirs is a bungler?
second, how many AG Offices have you managed?
third, do you make mistakes?
forth, is this the AG's first major mistake?
i wrote this on Captain Ed's amazing site: "So far, I remain unconvinced...
Not that my opinion is important.
It is quite amusing to see liberal democrats on this comment section, try to do all they can to sway opinion to encourage the rejection of this Administration.
We have seen this on many message boards, blogs, etc., where Liberal Democrat Partisans actually have tried to pose as Conservatives to alter opinion.
It is a wonder if they don't work for MoveOn.org, Chuck Schumer's office, or are given orders by the Kos Kids.
Some more libertarian, isolationist, alarmist, protectionist, mindsets have also tried desperately to undermine the Republican Support, which is ironic, because they only seem interested in empowering the folly of the Liberal Democrats.
The case about Gonzales is not about a 'blind support' for this President and his Administration.
And if Hagel wants something, we should all take a big step the other way, to seriously review...
The evidence is subject to interpretation, and if one were on a jury, it is hard to prove 'beyond a reasoned doubt' as of yet.
Can anyone be certain we know the full picture?
I do accept a case can be made, suggesting the AG is not able to handle his position, but I don't feel it is convincing as of yet.
We simply do not fully know his full involvement, his role as AG, his focus at this time, etc...
For example, again, does he see himself as Prosecutor, Administrator, Director, Policy Guide, etc.?
Clearly, AG's throughout our history have had differing views of how to handle their position. Can any writer, pundit, who lacks experience with the AG Office, can make a sincere judgment on this, based on emails, MSM press reports, and Democrat political opportunism.
The AG stated: "Many decisions are delegated. We have people who were confirmed by the Senate who, by statute, have been delegated authority to make decisions."
As well as: "I stand by the decision. Again, all political appointees can be removed by the President of the United States for any reason. I stand by the decision and I think it was the right decision. Thank you very much."
Gonzales was stepping in to the job after 4 years of a previous, trusted associate, and probably had faith in the lower operatives in the Department.
There is little to suggest he would not have this belief.
I do not doubt he has not made mistakes, but still do not see any gross negligence. Clearly he has the Major over the Minor correct so far. He opposed closing Gitmo for example...
Some suggest, if this issue were handled with great strength in the beginning, it would not be a story.
I disagree, for the Democrats having disgruntled partisan attorneys as witnesses, controlling the Senate, would make a stink, regardless of the handling.
Their history suggests this is the case. The current Democrat Elected Representation will slander and lie without consideration. Sen. Schumer clearly lied about Judge Pickerings past without any thought.
The MSM has portrayed a weak perjury case, as some major leak of a covert agent, to silence - rebuke political debate. It is absurd. And the manipulation is gross, overt, negligent, repulsive.
They have even convinced a number of Americans, into falsely believing this is a bad economy.
This President cannot be boldly defying the Senate in a hostile manner without just cause, because he may lose the support he needs with some 'on the fencers' in the GWOT.
We know Democrats will use everything to undermine the Bush effort in the GWOT.
So now, we are going to fire Gonzales, with two years left on the docks, with a Democrat Senate, and a vicious, unethical Liberal Media?
They simply won't approve a new AG, until they get a Democrat. And will use every minute to debase this Presidency, and everything it is doing, including fighting the GWOT.
The unethical Media Side Show will make the dishonest Plame coverage seem mild, while destroying this AG.
It will be a circus...
Not that you shouldn't, but you must be certain, that Gonzales is truly incompetent, and the evidence is simply not there, as of yet...
*** Certainly, the AG is focused on Policy Decisions, and delegates authority. Not necessarily a sign of incompetence, although you could question the approach. Clearly, the AG is responsible for managing the department.
Gonzales stated: "Mr. Sampson was charged with directing the process to ascertain who were weak performers, where we could do better in districts around the country. That is a responsibility that he had during the transition. We worked with respect to U.S. attorneys and presidential personnel at the White House. That was the role that he had when he was in the counsel's office. That was the role that he had when he was at the Department of Justice under General Ashcroft and so naturally when questions came up with respect to the evaluation of performances of U.S. Attorneys it would be Kyle Sampson who would drive that effort."
Gonzales was confirmed by the Senate in FEB. 2005, and had plenty of time to be involved. But it is possible he did not discuss specific removals, or review specific memos. (He could be relating his experience correctly).
It does seem curious, one would believe he would at least be briefed on the Attorney removals, prior to their dismissal.
But it would not be uncommon, if the Administration trusted Mr. Sampson without any question, to allow this Official to manage the replacement of some Attorneys around the Nation. Of course, this is foolish, if the one you trust is not worthy of your trust.
The Department clearly believed they had this power without question, which seems to have relaxed the need to provide the overt proof for just cause.
*** What was Gonzales focused upon at the time? * Was he focused upon the GWOT?
* you can see his speeches for the month here: http://www.usdoj.gov/ag/speeches.html
November, 2006
* Transcript Of Panel Discussion Hosted by Attorney General Alberto R. Gonzales for National Methamphetamine Awareness Day (11-30-06) * Prepared Remarks of Attorney General Alberto R. Gonzales at the U.S. Air Force Academy Regarding Civil Liberties and the War on Terrorism (11-18-06) * Prepared Remarks of Attorney General Alberto R. Gonzales at the Portrait Unveiling of Former Attorney General John Ashcroft (11-17-06) * Prepared Remarks of Attorney General Alberto R. Gonzales at the Press Conference Announcing the Memorandum of Understanding on Ballistics Information Sharing (11-16-06) * Prepared Remarks of Attorney General Alberto R. Gonzales at the Ninth Annual United States-Canada Cross Border Crime Forum Lunch (11-16-06) * Prepared Remarks of Attorney General Alberto R. Gonzales at the Buffalo Border Visit Press Conference (11-14-06) * Transcript of Press Conference with Attorney General Alberto R. Gonzales, Secretary of Homeland Security Michael Chertoff, and European Union Officials on Agreement to Improve Efforts to Fight International Crime (11-07-06) * Prepared Remarks of Attorney General Alberto R. Gonzales at the _?Operation Falcon III_? Press Conference (11-02-06)
So far, much more has to be reviewed.
But again, you (and Mr. Buckely) are judging a little too swiftly, and basing it on much of the MSM interpretations.
* Which has also served Conservatives very poorly...
Quick reactions to the MSM presentations of Katrina, the Dubai Port Deal, the Mission in Iraq, the Israeli incursion into Southern Lebanon, etc., have been a weak point for Conservatives.
Instead of reasoned basis, judging carefully the evidence, some Conservatives reacted just like the Liberal 'Emotives'.
Incompetence and deceit are unwanted, but in context of a political witch hunt, there is a certain level of tolerence to consider.
For example, part of being Conservatives, we believe politicians, government, are bound to be flawed because of human nature, and want smaller Government.
So if it turns out, the AG made a few errors, relying on poor guidance from his assistance, in the face of a clear unethical witch hunt, he should be given a chance.
Now, if he, after a some time and considered, serious review, is revealed personally to be 'in above his head', he should be removed.
But right now, the smoke is too rich with political poison, and instead of reasoned calm, some seem to be allowing their cynical nature with the current establishment (the Bush Administration), guide their mindset." |
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The justifications for firing the US Attorneys keep changing. And I can't imagine any of them are very pleased to be described as lacking in competence, as has been done (I'm also wondering if this explanation violated their rights under the Privacy Act). It also does appear that several of them (in NM and Washington) were fired only after they didn't see a case for prosecuting Democrats for alleged vote fraud. The interventions by Domenici and Wilson in NM might conceivably be the new Keating 5. And Carol Lam seems to have been bringing her0 investigation too close for comfort to several important GOP Congressmen. Lastly, Gonzales et al can't keep their stories striaght on their involvement in the firings - Senators from both parties are going to be angry if they're lied to. |
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"Gonzales should resign so this issue would not be another nagging cancer for this president"...
Again, the naivety. How can anyone believe that Gonzo leaving is going to make a dent in the "nagging cancer".
Nice turn of phrase, by the way ... wait, you did meant to characterize DHIMMIcRATs as "nagging cancer", did you not?
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VOR Don't be silly. Relax and smell the roses. This is politics pure and simple. If the Republicans had a little more guts this would not be a problem. |
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Gonezo was more than just incompetent. He lied to Congress as evidenced by the document which was conveniently released late Friday night. So while the Republicans are desparately trying to claim that this is a manufactured political scandal, if Gonzalez doesn't resign, then he will surely be impeached. Many on the right have not yet grasped just how long the legs are on this scandal and how it will ultimately begin to resonate with the American people. Yet again this Administration has proven that is does not learn from its mistakes. And yet again, their hubris will ensure that this scandal percolates for months in the media. |
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will do dean.
sounds like you've got a great sustaining business model going. |
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I regret that Hugh and I (and sometimes Patrick) refuse to amuse you. I hope you are aware that there are 6 trillion other blogs out there. Perhaps one of them will be more to your liking. |
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Where is the White House communication team during all of this?
Where is the political staff?
Where is the leader of the political staff, Karl Rove, what's he been advising?
Where's Cheney, what's his advice been, where's his staff, what have they had to offer during this slow motion train wreck?
You rightly observed that Gonzales and Meirs individually couldn't organize a picnic. And that when thrown together, the result was likely to be disastrous.
BUT WHERE WAS EVERYBODY ELSE?
NO ONE in this White House ever seems to wave a red flag, or if he does, no one seems to pay heed.
Again and again, and again, the White House has allowed itself to become embroiled in NON-SCANDALS, which become scandalous only through their own towering incompetence.
Libby has been bankrupted, impoverished, he'll probably get disbarred, and soon he'll be incarcerated and for what................ All for the White House's utter incompetence and lack of political savvy.
When Gonzales and Meirs were proposed for jobs at the White House, who raised their voice in warning.
When They were promoted, to Attorney General and White House Counsel, who raised their voice Cassandra like.
And throughout all of this, where's Waldo?
Where's the President?
It's HIS staff. They report to him.
REMEMBER when he campaigned during 2000. Remember when he told us "that I'm from the business world, and that if you're not getting the job done, then I'll find someone who will."
REMEMBER THAT LINE, which he repeated frequently. And each time he said it, it got huge applause from the audience.
This is a guy WHO IS THE FIRST MBA President.
The FIRST. He's supposed to be setting a new standard for efficiency, for competence, for managerial professionalism.
I'm heartily sick to death, sick to death of this towering, this Biblical scale incompetence.
It's so bad that it's almost like it's a fricken judgement or something.
This guy, his style, his Mt. Olympus blue-blood delusions, this entire White House which is out of touch with the base, and what's more, barely, barely disguises it's contempt for the people that put it in office, this guy and his White House is BLOWING UP the Republican brand name.
It used to be that "the customer is always right." Now we get the Bush response: "trust me, trust me."
I'll just leave all of you with this thought.
Andover, Yale, Harvard Business School.
Harvard Business School.
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It's amazing how much the liberal media drives Hugh's news cycle. Even at Hugh Hewitt blog, the only things to talk about are echoing the news put out by liberals.
Dump Gonzalez. Edwards this. Gonzales that. Back to Edwards.
Is there anywhere one can go to find news that isn't about Edwards, Hillary, and Barak?
Is there anywhere one can go that doesn't latch on to every other liberal run on some Bush conservative? |
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Would Bush firing Gonzales not constitute a politcal firing? And, according to Democrats(today, not during Clinton's years), firing Justice Department officials who are given political appointments are illegal. Therefore, wouldn't there need to be investigations into the firing of the Attorney General?
It's ironic, isn't it? Democrats want Gonzales to resign, just as Bush and Gonzales wanted the US Attorneys to resign. Democrats want Gonzales fired, just as Bush and Gonzales wanted the US Attorneys fired. Isn't hypocrisy fun??? |
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Joe:
1. I cannot help it if you came late to the conversation. Do your own research.
2. Do you really think Bush will be able to get a conservative nominee past the Congress. The process will be a continuation of what is going on now. |
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Good thoughts both. I doubt Olson will take the job (but he would be an excellent pick), but I am sure there are good conservative attorneys out there who will. Someone who can kick some butt at Justice and also has the political smarts to deal with the Democrats. |
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who will actually enfoce the law equally, not just against the police who defend our southern border... |
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Being silly: Rudy G! OK, he won't so who replaces Gonzo? My choice would be Ted Olson. He has been the Solicitor General and well thought of by many on the Hill. |
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"andsthose 'Conservative' commentators who said Bush shouk cut and run from Iraq just before the elections"
I do not recall any conservatives promoting "cut and run" in Iraq. Can you tell us who you are talking about? Hagel, Warner and Smith are not people I would deem "conservative." |
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If you want to drag this out six months--fine, but the Justice Department is not firing on all pistons right now. I would get someone who is competent, confirmable, and who can run the Justice Department. Dean is right on this. So is Krauthammer. |
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As long as the Dems are aiming for the AG's scalp - everyone else is off their radar. Sure, he's got to go, but let him drag it out for 6 months. As soon as he's gone we can be certain the Dems will be after Cheny or Rice.
In the meantime, the President should dismiss ALL the US Atty. Just to make the point that he CAN. Then submit a new list to the Senate to approve. The moment the last one is approved, fire THEM. Lather, rince, repeat. |
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The Conzales affair reminds me of all andsthose "Conservative" commentators who said Bush shouk cut and run from Iraq just before the elections. It is they, more than anything else, which convinced conservatives and independents to either leave the Republicand or not vote.
Now they are attempting the same. |
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Dean's correct:
"He has served the president poorly. What would be an echo of a more dignified bygone era is if Gonzales tendered his resignation because of that simple fact."
Gonzales should resign so this issue would not be another nagging cancer for this president. The president is a noble man and the AG should do the noble thing, also. |
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I'm with Charles. +1, buddy.
Dean, you need political eyeglasses. Either that, or you need a naivety-pendectomy. You can batter Gonzales with your clue-bat until the cows come home, but your ability to offer a workable solution is non-existent.
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US Attorneys, not just Attorney Generals, are political appointments. |
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They all said Gonzales should go. The only one who gave luke warm praise was that "Conservative lion" Juan Williams. Williams basically turned to Bill Kristol and said--this gives you guys the chance to dump Gonzales and replace him with a real conservative.
Frankly, I think Gonzales hurt the President badly in drafting those torture memos after 9/11 and should be fired on that basis alone. But some of you disagree. Nevertheless, he should be fired for plain incompetence now.
The President is a loyal guy, but Gonzales is just dragging him down. I agree--this "scandal" was just politics. Attorney Generals are poltical appointments and a President has the right to replace them. But if you are going to do that--do it correctly. Gonzales has given conflicting and inconsistent testimony and comes off as a liar, he is a liability to the Administration's more important goals. Yes this will fire up the Dems and Left, but sometimes you need to cut your losses. |
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I'm disappointed in President Bush's recalcitrance to engage in fighting the Left and, although I agree with your assessment that Gonzales should have handled this and other kerfuffles much better than he has, I'm heartened that it finally caused the president to raise his dukes and appear to fight back for once. Alas, too little, too late.
We start the election process in earnest in a few months, and the GOP will likely lose the White House, due in no small part to the president's lackluster performance. Let's just grit our teeth, hold on tight and ride everything out until then. Let's hold our ground, and not hand over one more head to the Democrat insurgents. |
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