Thursday, February 07, 2008
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Governor Romney (Bumped and Updated)
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Posted by:
Hugh Hewitt at
4:53 PM
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Governor Romney is an incredibly gifted man --intelligent in the way very few people are, charismatic, and blessed with an amiable openness and determined, strong character.
He is a good man, and his very successful run towards the presidency is a testament to his talents. His magnificent family represents an achievement in the private sphere that he shares with Ann Romney and which was reflected in his accomplishments in business, at the Olympics and in Massachusetts.
Because he is a very good man, a great conservative and an extraordinary patriot he is standing aside to allow Senator McCain's national campaign to commence. There were excellent reasons for Romney to stay in the hunt, including the opportunity to score some impressive victories in places like Ohio, which might have served Romney well in any future campaign.
Romney's decision to "stand aside," and especially the reasons he gave just now in his CPAC speech underscore the qualities I found so compelling in him, and confirm for me my decision to support him made many months ago. Had the conservative movement more quickly recognized these qualities, the coming together around Romney that has occurred in the last few weeks would have assured him the nomination and, I think, the White House. But it didn't, and now the task is to assure that Senator McCain succeeds President Bush for the very reasons Mitt Romney outlined today.
The campaign ahead is first and foremost about victory in the war. As Romney argued today, Senators Clinton and Obama are committed to retreat, and Senator McCain to victory in that war. That's all the reason any conservative should need to fully support Senator McCain now that his nomination is assured.
When I wrote my book about Mitt Romney, I by necessity had to learn a great deal about his parents George and Lenore Romney. Those of us who couldn't vote in 1968 don't recall the bruising battles of 1967 and 1968, and how George Romney's presidential campaign failed to ignite.
Forty years later Mitt Romney's campaign did take off, came very close to success but fell short, and unlike George Romney's campaign then, Mitt Romney's campaign of the last 14 months is really an opening act for a role in the leadership fo the GOP that will continue for years to come, and Senator McCain will almost certainly look for help from the Romneyroots as the GOP will this year and in the years ahead.
George Romney did not have to battle the sort of open religious bigotry that erupted again and again on the internet and often even in the comments on this blog and in major publications. The leading GOP figures, including Senator McCain, have quite rightly denounced such unAmerican and repulsive expressions, but they have plagued American politics in a way that still stuns and shames its elites and its defenders here and abroad. Mitt Romney's refusal to either abandon or distance himself from his faith or to succumb to anger in response to these attacks has added to the esteem with which he is held by those who value religious freedom and hope to see its spread in the world, especially in those regions now dominated by our fanatical enemies. Romney's address at the Bush Library in late 2007 was a sad necessity, but its execution a bright moment for religious liberty, and a moment that defined Mitt Romney as very much a leader of people who value the spirit of the Constitution as it was intended to be understood and practiced by the Framers.
There is one great similarity between the Romneys' campaign then and today though, which is far more significant than the differences including the sad ones: Those who know, endorsed, contributed to and worked on behalf of George and Mitt Romney are extraordinarily proud to have done so, as I am, and will remain.
UPDATE: John Mark Reynolds was another early Romney supporter, and has a fine coda to the Romney campaign.
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for all of your support!!! As dad said, the greatest threat now to our American way of life is that either Obama or Hillary will win in the general, and surrender to the Islamo-Fascists in Iraq. We as a nation cannot let this happen.
And not only must we throw our support behind Sen McCain, but we should also play a more active role in defeating the Jihadis in Iraq. This is why I and my brothers have decided to join the military, and request deployment to Iraq. We will be joining the McCain boys, and we urge all of you who are truly committed to upholding American values and conservatism to do the same. If you are too old or sick to join this fight, we strongly encourage you to push your friends and family members who are well enough and young enough into joining the military. C'mon conservatives, lets put our money where our mouths are and show those surrender-monkey dems that we're in it to win it!!! Our mass enlistment and willingness to make the real sacrifices required to win will inspire the nation!!!
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gg McCain.
You will not be receiving my vote in November and I want other conservatives to know that they are not alone if they feel the same way.
I feel offended that I have to "Settle" and "Chill Out", thus bending over and taking McCain like a cheap drug store enema. |
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Romney was the only decent man left standing and his departure will be keenly felt for true conservatives. He was the most intelligent, gracious, honorable, and authentically conservative man left in the race, making a stark contrast to McCain and Huckabee, who never missed an opportunity to shame themselves in their tactics against Mitt. I am embarrassed that the both of them are elevated in my own party.
But, they will go down to defeat and Romney will save himself to fight another day. It's now not 10 months away, but 48, and he will make the finest president in decades.
I sincerely wished our choices left were Rudy or Fred. I would be able to sleep at night if that were the case.
I will never hold my nose for McCain or Huck, but will stand on my values. Being a conservative is eminently more important to me than being a republican. |
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Please let's drop the negatives about McCain and Romney. They are divisive and at this point only the Democrats gain by quarreling and throwing brick bats at fellow Republicans. All spoiled children, anti-Mormon bigots and Moveon.org commenters need to decamp to other blogs. We have to be about the serious business of beating the Dem in November. |
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dad has decided to donate the same amount of money that he spent on his campaign to improving conditions at Walter Read, and to various veterans' rights advocacy groups and CDO's. Some may also go directly towards the DoD, so soldiers and officers can enjoy a small bonus - courtesy of Mitt Romney. He feels it's only fitting, since he's a steadfast supporter of the troops and all. And while we appreciate the desire of folks to continue to contribute to the Romney coffers (we already have 200 million plus) it would mean much much more if you follow our example and enlist!!! Or just send your money to a soldier or officer! |
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How can ANYONE like this man? He is:
1. Older than God.
2. Has NO energy.
3. Is condescending.
4. Tells jokes only he laughs at.
5. Has disgusting yellow teeth.
6. Votes like Olympia Snowe.
7. Speaks in a monotone.
He is just unappealing at every possible level. How the HELL did he win?
ANSWER:
Independents and Democrats who have NO INTENTION of voting for him in the GENERAL ELECTION, voted for him by the thousands in both our "open" (legally) and "closed" (illegally) primaries.
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This will be great
All of the people trying to save McCain from that Shamnesty mess will be comical.
This guy has not even won the nomination yet and everyone under the sun can see the RNC Mondull type train wreck ahead.
Good conservatives like Hugh will try his best to talk Conservatives into saving McCain in the 08 election.
McCain can not save himself let alone expect Conservatives to do it for him.
McCain made his bed with the Government of Mexico and his back room deals of Amnesty for Latino votes.
McCain should have changed parties. Socialist (d) have no soul to sell out. Socialist (d) hate Republicans above Mullahs, Osama, Taliban, and all else.
When McCain joined with Kennedy he sold his Conservative soul and should hope the deal he cut With Mexico was worth it. What ever he recieved for shoving Amnesty down our throats should be enough because he will never be President.
Hope that cut rate guy mowing you lawn and the cheap maid was worth trading the Presidency for John.
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And this segment just blew me away with its relevence:
"If we learn anything from the history of economic development, it is that culture makes all the difference. Culture makes all the difference.
"What is it about American culture that has led us to become the most powerful nation in the history of the world? We believe in hard work and education. We love opportunity: almost all of us are immigrants or descendants of immigrants who came here for opportunity – opportunity is in our DNA. Americans love God, and those who don't have faith, typically believe in something greater than themselves – a 'Purpose Driven Life.' And we sacrifice everything we have, even our lives, for our families, our freedoms and our country. The values and beliefs of the free American people are the source of our nation's strength and they always will be.
"The threat to our culture comes from within. The 1960's welfare programs created a culture of poverty. Some think we won that battle when we reformed welfare, but the liberals haven't given up. At every turn, they try to substitute government largesse for individual responsibility. They fight to strip work requirements from welfare, to put more people on Medicaid, and to remove more and more people from having to pay any income tax whatsoever. Dependency is death to initiative, risk-taking and opportunity. Dependency is a culture-killing drug. We have got to fight it like the poison it is."
Come back in 2012 Mitt. I'm sure we'll be needing you. |
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terrorists more? By sitting this out you'll essentially support the election of Obama or Clinton, which will then result in the unnecessary deaths of thousands of our soldiers! Not to mention the innocent Americans who are going to die when the terrorists start attacking us here because we're not fighting them there!!!
Do you really want to kill American soldiers and make America less safe? |
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God Bless ya but I am writing in Duncan Hunter.
McCain is our Jimmy Carter.
McCain, Obama, or Hillary. We surrender six Southern States to Mexico because they took em fair and square. The only question now is will Mexico be happy with those States or will they insist on the entire Burrito? |
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Stupid remarks, not humor. Didn't your daddy tell you not to kick a man when he's down? Or, in your case, your foster father |
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What I am most happy about is that Hugh Hewitt got BEAT. Woo Woo, Ha Ha. I am so happy. You are like a Nazi with you're propaganda. You have lied and distorted and never said you are sorry |
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We have more Americans killed in the United States of America in a single year by illegal aliens then all of the troops killed over sea's in wars sense 911.
If the Socialist (d) pull the plug in Iraq and Afganistan. The earth will continue to rotate and we will then have to drill for the oceans of oil here in the USA. That might work out to be better in the end anyways. |
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Hugh, I want to thank you for all your work in bringing Mitt to my attention, and now my extended family's attention, and keeping us updated on what was going on with the campaign. Through you we became involved with the campaign, went to NH, worked phones, put up signs, called friends, etc. First time for us. Like you, we were a bit optimistic about some of the polls. Still don't know how they always were wrong by a couple points, the wrong way. A win here or there, NH or FL, obviously would have made a big difference. Sigh. |
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Boomshak writes: Thursday, February, 07, 2008 5:17 PM
My ONE THOUGHT as McCain spoke...
How can ANYONE like this man?
Don't like him but you left one out. He fight dirty. That will help when fighting his friends the Dem's. Holding my nose, fell my lunch coming back up. |
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Rudy a better conservative choice than McCain. He is pro choice, agreed with McCain on immigration, and now has endorsed McCain. So either he is a moron, or endorsed someone he completely disagrees with. To these Rudy admirers he is like some sort of cartoon superhero. |
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Jim and Jack haven't been yet, but they're obviously headed over there. And that's what has inspired us (the Romney boys) to sign up as well. We may have to wait a few months (or maybe even a year), but we'll definately get to go eventually!!! Because whether this is a 10 year or 100 year war, we need to do what it takes to win!
I'm personally praying for a draft - I think we should all serve. The consequences of losing are too dire to contemplate! Can you imagine worshipping Allah, and spending an eternity with 72 virgins or some other craziness? That's not for me!!! I'm counting on an afterlife where I can rule over a distant planet while surrounded by multiple, pure Mormon wives! Muslims are crazy. We can not let them win.
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Sarah writes: "Mitt's decision today shows that even two people who are as different as can be (mitt and me) can agree that putting country above party and above self is what makes USA the greatest place on earth!"
That is pretty neutral.
Can't you find it in your heart to say anything nice about the guy.
If you want to work together for a better America you might have to lose a little more of your animus. |
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Like you and your family, we will start making a donation to Mitt Romney for his Presidential Race in 2012. America needs him. |
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and hope I get the opportunity again. I'd have preferred Fred, but he din't seem to want it that much. I'll also support McCain, although I don't agree with him on several things. He will likely not win this year anyway. I don't know if he would ask Mitt to be vp, or if that would even be a good combination, but maybe Mitt for Secretary of Treasury. But I don't know if Mitt would accept that. But a lot of the last few Tras Secs have been big time businessmen. |
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Huck's constant mean spirited comments on Romney during the campaign did not endear him to Romney supporters. Now he's gone gone, Huck pretends to be nice. Give us a break. I think Romney supporters will sit this out and the McCain Huckabee twins can squabble out the remainder of what will be the GOPs Dennis Kuchnich type campaign. |
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You are the precious pearl at TH. You comments are always thoughtful, insightful and fair. God bless you. |
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The Huckabee Campaign site says that Gov. Huckabee will appear on the Colbert Report at 11:30pm eastern tonight.
I wonder if Mike might make an announcement similar to Romney's.
We obviously need to start saving our battle cash. Barak Obama has raised another 7-million plus since Super Tuesday!
Who knows what Obama even stands for? Mindless robots are sending him their life savings! This is getting scary. |
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http://libertymaven.com/audio/ronpaul-at-cpac2008.mp3
Here's his speech. |
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How many "McCain Is Surging" posts will Hugh write between now and November? |
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You are a completely tactless idiot.
Impersonating the son of the most statesmanlike person in the race and slandering his religion like you've done in posts in THIS thread, just prove you to be the moron that you are.
Get the hell out of my party sir. |
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endorsed John McCain yesterday. Pro-lifers are fools if they vote for John McCain in the primaries. |
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As a member of the LDS church I did my homework this election cycle to make sure I aligned myself with someone based on conservative principles and not on faith. If it were based on faith I would be supportive of Harry Reid.
Until last week I was being cautious as to whom I would openly support. I had the opportunity to meet one of his sons and a couple of his campaign staff in Denver. Their message on his behalf was genuine and "sealed the deal." So the news today was obviously a disappointment, however after Tuesday's results I new this day would come.
Today is the first day to regroup. The bitter pill is McCain, but it is no where near the bitterness of Clinton and Obama. Remember that by getting behind McCain does not mean you agree with McCain. It means that we need to do whatever it takes to preserve our principles. While Maverick McCain has snubbed conservativism in several areas, the risk of repressing the McCain vote in November ensures a minimum of four years of liberal damage that could take another twenty years to fix. We can not let this happen.
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Has there EVER been, in the history of US politics, a Massachusetts governor who ran well head to head against a Southern Governor in the South on primary day?
The sort of people who would not vote for a Mormon under any circumstances are also the sort of people that would not vote for a Northeastern pseudo-liberal under any circumstances - certainly not when a viable Southern governor is available as a choice.
While this should have been obvious to all those stupidly crying that a vote for Huck was a vote for McCain - apparently it wasn't.
As a result, how many Huck voters took the advice of Hannity, Rush, and Hugh and thus gave Missouri and Oklahoma to McCain, as well as narrowed his margins (and delegates) in other Southern states?
We could have still had a 3-man race, with an emphasis on conservatism. Huck would have more delegates, about equal to Mitt, and McCain would have far fewer.
As it is, Huck could still keep McCain from getting the needed delegates and forcing a brokered convention where conservatism would triumph.
And I for one - a ROMNEY VOTER LAST TUESDAY - would want to see Huck do just that.
If Huck can pull out winner take all Virginia, a longshot I realize since talk radio and the like have villified him in the same category as McCain, then he could certainly win most of the other states left (if you look at the map).
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the TV on this afternoon. The consensus everywhere on TV was that McCain should start considering who would make the best VP. Unless talk radio supports Huck, it is truly Huck and his Hucksters against the World.
Protect the baby humans, Vote Mike Huckabee. |
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This has been quite an emotional week for all with it's ups and downs. I myself have felt it with all of my heart and soul. I said i wanted to be an independent now out of emotion when Romney had to set an example to us all that there is a bigger picture than just our pride and who our idea cadidate should be. I myself hope thatovertime that we all can heal and think more logically than emtionally in our responses. As a Iraqi war veteran have to agree that narinaal security is a major concern and we are still at war with jihadists who want to kill all american citizens. I also want to apologize to all if things were said by me to other bloggers n this for any offenses against anyone. |
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He raised the bar. Character counts. Principles count. Records count. Courage and honesty count. Experience and preparation count. Patriotism counts.
Thank you, Mitt and Ann. America is blessed because you ran and elevated our hopes and common purpose.
We are better because of you. Thanks and hope you stay active as a vocal conservative American. |
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I am so dissapointed I did not get my chance to vote for Mitt Romney in the Va primary and like others I know he will be back, better, and more well known in 2012.
I have to do as Mitt asked and get behind the Republican nomination and I pray McCain will ask Mitt to be his VP, which would make it easy to vote for the old fool.
He is better than either liberal on terrorism and Justices and I will honor his request to me to support John McCain.
Mitt Romney is a class act and God Bless him and his family for the sacrifice and effort they have given to their country. I am honored to say I supported him and even contributed money for the first time ever to a candidate.
It's only for 4 years because McCain is older than dirt and he will have to pick a true conservative as VP, which he will since he so badly wants to win. Mike Huckabee is a complete loser and he won't quit. He is so conceited he believes he can win. Not in this lifetime!
Stand together conservatives and do the necessary to stop the liberals from getting a chance to destroy our military and appoint Ginsbergs to the Supreme Court!
Mitt Romney please stay with us as you promised. We want you in the conservative party as a voice for us. You will be a shining beacon for the future and my hope at least FOR a future.
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Regarding your question about anti-Mormon bigotry: I would say around 25% of evangelicals who voted would not vote for Mitt directly because of his religion.
In Iowa it was even higher. FORTY percent of those who participated in the Republican caucus said the most important factor in whom they voted for was that persons RELIGION.
Not their positions or values, but their RELIGION.
Man was that a red flag when I read it. I hoped Romney's elequent defense of religious tolerance and judgement based on merit at College Station, TX would convince people of their folly.
I was wrong - to the condemnation of my own party. |
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Democratic Party 2008
Platform: World War IV
Mission Statement: To foment the conditions for World War IV (but not on purpose--call us naive).
We, the Democratic Party will do this by withdrawing financial support of the military at once...creating major disruptions of morale--which will result in an immediate and devastating decline in enlistments and re-enlistments of personel. This will allow for the closure of U.S. bases and military installations at home and abroad. We will no longer need tactical and stealth weaponry and will therefore cut most programs, both present and future-based, so that we can use the savings on vital programs:
Such as same-sex marriage literature for our young school children, and, construction of gov't subsidized drive-thru abortion centers, legalized marijuana, oh, and free healthcare to everyone that lives here legally or not.
If you think America is the real terrorist and that the bad guys will leave us alone if we leave them alone...
If you believe sex is something everyone should enjoy in all circumstances no matter the consequences...aids...abortion...no problem, we can fix it fast and free!
If you believe global warming has NOTHING to do with the sun's normal, but unpredictable cycles, so we had better shut up with the real science stuff and just do EVERYTHING Al Gore dreams up and do it right quick...
If you believe all guns are bad, bad, bad! And, no one should have them because, hey, you could put an eye out with that thing...
Then vote Democrat...because World War IV is waiting...for YOU!
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We need to get the message out to states that haven’t voted yet. Their vote can still make a statement. They need to VOTE!
More importantly, we need to make sure Huckabee doesn't get the Romney evangelacan votes from the remaining states. Those votes will send the wrong message to convention if McCain chooses him as VP. It will tell the Republican liberals that the consevatives will still vote Republican NO MATTER WHAT.
What is his problem with Romney? Is it because of Romney's faith? I for one have watched the behavior of both these men. Romney has acted more like a follower of Christ that Huckabee (self proclaimed Christian). I don't think MOCKING the way Romney eats chicken is becoming of a man who professes to be a man of God. Yet he says he has never personally attacked Romney. Huckabee even goes so far as to want his supporters to let the air out car tires of anyone voting against him and to stop them any way possible. AND this comes from a man who wants to insure rights for all Americans – BUT TAKING AWAY RIGHTS! I don't know about you, but if it seems corrupt, sounds corrupt, smells corrupt, IT IS corrupt!
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Um, why? Mitt on a patriotic level recognized that the war has to be won, and McCain is a hell of a lot better guy to accomplish that than Hillary or Obama. That had to be a very painful speech for him to give, and he has my respect for putting his country ahead of his ambitions in this race.
However, by doing so Mitt appears to have guaranteed himself a bright future in either 2012 or 2016.
Which brings us to Mike. What is he trying to accomplish by staying in. He can't win. Surely he is smart enough to realize that. As far as future races go, people's memory of him will be as a third place candidate, with a bunch of great one-liners, who failed to altruistically get behind our prohibitive nominee as Mitt did. Perhaps he is thinking in terms of Ronald Reagan 1976-1980, but the difference now is the war on terror and in Iraq. C'mon Huck, it's time for us to unite. |
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Ah, Mitt's just a weasel. Even at the end, when he had an opportunity for grace, he as much as said that a victory by either Hillary or Barack is a win for the terrorists.
Judging from the sappy posts, he'll probably be back, to lead all you emotionally overwrought "conservatives" to victory in 2012 or 2016. And I can see why Hugh vests him with a nobility that he is not entitled to--Mitt's grandeur, if that is what you want to call it, reflects upon Hugh and becomes his grandeur. Of course, glory is not the only thing that reflects upon allies, and if you can describe Hugh's behavior over the past several months, one thing he has NOT covered himself in is glory.
Mitt's one service to the American body politic was in that speech, and even that was inadvertant. Going forward, our leaders shall not be able to posture and preen over their faith without defining what that faith is. The phony wall errected by JFK was brought down by Mitt, although not in the manner he expected. He wanted the political upside for his religiosity without any of the consequences. After 7+ years of a religious kook in the WH making idiotic policy, Americans are going to demand a little more from their leaders than an assertion that "Jesus Christ" is their favorite political philosopher. Mitt helped move that ball forward..
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Well, Now we know the party of Reagan and Goldwater is no more. The coalition that was comprised of conservatives, constitutionalist, Libertarians and right thinking Democrats was brutally murdered by the Bush's and the GOP elite.
The so called resurrection of John McCain was orchestrated by the GOP and Mexico. Where did McCain get all of the money for his campaign when he was being left for dead, even by the liberal media. He had no money for ads and could not even pay his staff, then overnight he had access to all the money he needed. There are a lot of people who have made and still making a great living at pretending to be conservatives but who are not, such as Michael Medved, Bill Bennet, Fred Barnes, Bill Crystal, Mike Savage, Michael Reagan, John McCain, George Bush sr.& G.W. Bush. The party has been taken over by left wingers pretending to be Conservatives. I say conservatives should vote for Ron Paul or a write-in. McCain is going to lose by the largest landslide in history. Let the Democrats win. They will lose the congress and the whitehouse in 2002 or get impeached before then. The GOP voters let Romney down. Look at the miserable turnout at the polls. The GOP is on it's last spindly , liberal leaning legs. Let it collapse, then rebuild with american parts. |
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The guy or girl who is impersonating Tagg Romney is stupid. Don't be fooled. Tagg would never say anything weird about his religion like that, especially because it's not true! I like and respect the real Tagg Romney. That's pretty low to try and trick people. |
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I'm sorry. It was Mitt's burden to be the first national candidate who was Mormon; as such, he rightly or wrongly had to address the issue, much as Kennedy did last generation, and much like the first Muslim or Buddhist candidate will have to do in 20-40 years.
Not to address the religion issue at all would indicate religion's irrelevance than anything else. Can you imagine such an argument for someone who is an active member of the Nation of Islam? Oh, then it's ok for religion to be an issue, right? As the first Mormon, he had a burden to carry. That's not something to be ashamed of; it's something to be proud of.
That he addressed the religious issue with honor, truth, and dignity is a testament to the man and the religion's fit with America. Maybe it shouldn't be that way, but it is. He's made someone else's way a lot easier in the future by his efforts this time.
Who knows, maybe 2012 will be his year. |
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Big mistake to put him on the ticket. Mitt will not be on the ticket as well and I am sure he let McCain know that - McCain despises Mitt more than Reagan disliked GHWB - and Mac is not nearly as gracious or wise a person - he would not consider Mitt for a second.
I'd go for a real wowser selection - Michael Steele .
Mitt will come back in 2012 after Obama has made a shambles of our military, economy and perhaps the Supreme Court. In the meantime we better work on the house and Senate to block the Socialists.
Thanks Mitt - if you weren't in the race, McCain would not have had to change his position on immigration - will Mac keep his word? I don't think we have to worry about that - he will not be in a position to carry out his promises.
And Tagg, if being in the military was a predictor of a good President, how do you explain Jimma Carter? - positively the worst President of the past 50 years. |
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"I'm counting on an afterlife where I can rule over a distant planet while surrounded by multiple, pure Mormon wives! Muslims are crazy."
If you can't see the hypocrisy and irony in your statement, then I truly fear you've drunk the Kool Aid around here a bit too deeply. |
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The reason RomnestyCare lost was because he was a liberal. Get that through your head.
http://trueromney.com
Everyone kept saying that nominating Rudy McRomney would ensure base collapse and ensuing defeat, but many didn't listen and you'll be rewarded with Hillbama. Good Job.
I blame Hugh and others for misleading many conservatives and dividing the conservative vote among liberal candidates in thin conservative clothing.
Next time, we better find an actual conservative, with a conservative record looooong before the primaries even get started.
This will take more concrete data, and less mindless cheerleading, Hugh. I don't think you're up for the job. |
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Sheesh, take some responsibility for supporting a candidate that couldn't take a stand an issue and got buster for it by the voters. Mitt Romney had every conceivable advantage: Money, a vacation residency in NH on MA's backdoor, MI as his home state, Talk Radio, WSJ, NV filled with Mormon voters, a huge ground game in IA where he outspent Huck by 20 to 1. In spite of it all, he lost and not because of bigotry but because voters didn't buy his 18 month old psuedo-conservative positions. Mitt simply couldn't run from his record. |
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The reason RomnestyCare lost was because he was a liberal. Get that through your head.
http://trueromney.com
Everyone kept saying that nominating Rudy McRomney would ensure base collapse and ensuing defeat, but many didn't listen and you'll be rewarded with Hillbama. Good Job.
I blame Hugh and others for misleading many conservatives and dividing the conservative vote among liberal candidates in thin conservative clothing.
Next time, we better find an actual conservative, with a conservative record looooong before the primaries even get started.
This will take more concrete data, and less mindless cheerleading, Hugh. I don't think you're up for the job. |
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Sheesh, take some responsibility for supporting a candidate that couldn't take a stand an issue and got buster for it by the voters. Mitt Romney had every conceivable advantage: Money, a vacation residency in NH on MA's backdoor, MI as his home state, Talk Radio, WSJ, NV filled with Mormon voters, a huge ground game in IA where he outspent Huck by 20 to 1. In spite of it all, he lost and not because of bigotry but because voters didn't buy his 18 month old psuedo-conservative positions. Mitt simply couldn't run from his record. |
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Romney's dropout today was a kick in the teeth for all his supporters. In my precinct in Minnesota, we're overwhelming in the majority and those I talked with were in agreement that we need a strong GOP run congress in 2009 regardless of who's president. Romney's dropout will reduce support for our Congressional candidates, which is a shame.
Governor Romney showed a lack of strength, will, and character today with his dropout. I fail to see how he'll be stronger in 2012 when he couldn't stand up to another GOPer in '07 and '08!
Perhaps another conservative will show up for the election in '12 but right now, I don't see who'll that will be. Romney's future role probably should be to support future conservative candidates and to be in a future GOP president's cabinet, perhaps running FEMA! |
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Do you know that Mormons are the most consistently conservative voters in the country? They also voted for Bush at 90+%. Last time I checked, Bush isn't LDS.
It's not about religion. If it were, Mormons would think Harry Reid is great. But they don't. He is roundly despised.
Romney was the only rational choice for real conservatives, LDS or otherwise. |
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The "Tagg Romney!!" posts.
I doubt seriously T. Romney would put two exclamation marks after his posts or make the comments already made. These posts by what is apparently an imposter are beneath a great family name.
That said, McCAIN OR BUST!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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But, forever consistently, whackily, undeniably, cluelessly your own dear precious self. Get those writers & studios to settle, before I suffer *VIGFM Exhaustion, and I'll--if a project snags me or vice versa--buy you lunch.
Is there something inaccurate, incorrect or dishonest about stating the simple truth--which Obama & Lady MacClinton have, by their own repeated assurances, promised--RETREAT from Iraq. Bubba's codependent has vowed it in one year from her oath and Obama has sternly said that's way too much time. It would be a catastrophe for America, Iraqis, our Mideast Allies, our Afghan Allies and anyone else we've promised Armed Support to. Our military would be a shambles(something the Dems earnestly hope for)and would not recover for decades, if ever. American Confidence would be but a memory. PreSchoolers, pounding on their Demowit Highchairs would be in charge. Mitt, far more of a well spoken gentleman than I, understated the Cowardice & Infamy which your side can't wait to install. Even I GOT that much from their last debate. |
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How about Mitt running as an independent with Huckabee or Giuliani?
McCain is never going to win against either Obama or Clinton. He is a lesser known 'Democrat' than Obama or Clinton with suspect character.
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writes, "McCain would be a fool to pass over him, and he would be a fool to accept. Why go down with a sinking ship?"
I hadn't considered that. While Mitt would be an excellent VP and the possibilities regarding McCain's age are intriguing, the ship is going down as long as John has the conn. I think he should not accept if offered, promising to work diligently on behalf of the country, the party, and Juan to help in other ways.
Memo to Mitt Romney:
The titanic is about to sail. Do not get aboard.
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Apparently the poster known as Patriotic Liberal thinks that George Bush is a "religious kook." Why, exactly? Because he acknowledges the presence of God on his own life? Because, when asked whom his favorite philosopher was, he said Jesus? How does that make him nuts? Personally, I trust George Bush far more than I trust Barack Obama, a man who claims to be a Christian but does everything in his power to ensure that unborn children will continue to be murdered.
And as far as "emotionally overwrought conservatives" -- Oh, puh-LEEZE. You leftists use emotion as your primary reason for deciding...anything! You adapt policies that are unbelievably destructive to the country, and unbeliavably irresponsible -- why? 'cause it make you feel good. Name me one- just ONE - liberal policy in the last twenty years that was arrived at through sober analysis and logic. I can't think of any.
Really, the only "emotionally overwrought conservatives" I've seen are these people who say they won't vote for McCain in November (I'm a Romney guy, by the way) I would like to say to those people: Are you NUTS?? Come on!! Stop being such big babies! you're not "standing up for your principles" -- you're just pouting. If you really care about the good of this country and the world, you will vote for McCain in November. |
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I am a member of the LDS church. I have noticed phrases and words used in the comments above that have special significance to Mormons.
But first of all let me state-- Tagg Romney poster( You are a poor example of an American, regardless of your politics.) You, and others such as Patriotic Liberal, can continue to post garbage on this blog, but you reflect, very poorly, the noble heritage that is American citizenship.
In Mitt's speech today he talked about the importance of individual responsibility to perserve the American dream. Faith in God, hard work, education, and the opportunity to succeed have been haulmarks of Mormon teachings for years.
Wise woman commented that Mitt raised the bar for future candidates. How true. Any church members out there remember hearing President Hinckley use that phrase?
In short, Mitt lost the bid to lead our nation, but true american values were put forth and the churches message to the world continues to roll forth. A message of hope and promise if we return to the values that made this nation the envey of the world.
Yes, religious bigotry still thrives in many segments of our society. It is there and members of the church can attest to that fact, but what does it matter? We press on in faith.
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Has anyone noticed how Chuckabee hasn't been seen lately with Chuck Norris. He used Chuck to do his dirty work discussing McCain's age publicly. Then when he was questioned about it, he has some cute and clever comment like: I didn't want to get kicked in the side of my head.
Then Mr. "What? Who me?" wants others to let air out of the tires of those who won't vote for him. He admonished his followers to do everything possible to keep them from exercizing their voting rights. Can you imagine electing a president who wants to take away your right to vote! (This from a so-called Christian in a trusted position.)
If your state hasn't voted yet in the primaries, write in your favorite candidate. A vote for McCain or Huck will send a statement that you'll support them also in November. A write-in vote sends a message we're not satified with the Republican candidates.
A caller on Rush Limbaugh's show explained his logic for voting for Clinton: Clinton politics tends to gain Senate and House seat for the Republicans. After she messes up the next four years, it will leave an opening for a TRUE conservative who supports the values we all share. But if McCain wins the November election and messes up the next four years, then twelve years of poor administration from the Republicans will destroy our party and take years to rebuild IF it can be rebuilt!
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Correction to the above blog, it should have been 2012 "NOT" 2002. But the point is the same. Sometimes it best to let the opposition to win a battle but not the war. McCain will lose. The mass media will rip him to pieces. Why? because they know he can't be trusted to deliver what he has been promising to the leftist, a socialist America. But the media and the leftist know that Hillary and/or Obama can, and will remain on course to complete their mission. The GOP leadership positions have been taken over by the anti-Reaganites and have promoting non conservatives as candidates for the state and federal elected offices for the last 16 years. That is why the party cannot be saved nor can the conservatives regain control of the state or federal governments. A party cannot cater to people who do share the core beliefs of the party. If they do then the party will become something other than what it originally wanted to be, a home for the beliefs of the founders. |
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said that I would never vote for McCain under any circumstances. I express my thanks to the honorable Mitt Romney for being the class act that he is and reminding me that even though McCain is slimy and a hopeless Washington insider that will continue the as is policies of the Washington establishment, I must vote for McCreap in November.
It is my patriotic duty to support the war on terror and support the military men and women who are so valiantly fighting for freedom and liberty. McCain talked the good conservative talk today but he is and will continue to be a liar and disingenuous. Did any one notice that he pledged to "secure the border" but still did not and will not commit to rid the nation of the lawbreaker illegal aliens.
Don't ever buy the McLiberal claim that we can do nothing about the 20 million illegals in this country. Arizona recently passed laws to make it difficult for illegals to work there and the illegals are leaving Az in floods to Texas. Take away their ability to work and they will go home on their own.
In short, I will hold my nose and vote for McShame but will continue to work for conservative values as best I can in the future. |
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I am so sick of people claiming that Mitt isn't a true conservative just because he wasn't a "perfect" conservative 18 months ago. Riddle me this, genius: why the HELL would a successfull businessman like Mitt run for office at all? Believe me, it wasn't for the money. Could it possibly be (gasp) that he actually BELIEVES in what he's saying? Could it be that he's changed his mind for the better? Where did this idiotic idea take hold among some people that only lifelong, perfect conservatives are fit for office - that we can't accept converts? In any case, the positions that Mitt has flipped (not flip-flopped) to are hardly popular and trendy ones, are they? But no. He's not perfect, therefore he is scum.
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The conservatives don't want to vote for the Ankle-grabbing Party anymore. Thanks but no thanks. You enjoy yourselves you crazy Mavericks:)! Get your buds from the Dem/lib pool to help you out. The important thing is that the NYT will be on your side. |
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I'm also proud to have supported Mitt. What a great American.
I was also mad at McCain about immigration.
But the most important issue facing this country is the war on terrorist.
So I can get over everything else and support McCain.
Christian on this blog need to be more Christian. Stop all the hate.
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And lula, I'm a Christian who doesn't hate but does remember that Senator McCain is a liar and despises people like myself.
When people talk about McCain versus Hillary, I say WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE? One is a liberal Democrat, the other a liberal Republican. One does everything she can to defeat the conservative agenda, the other one does everything he can to sell it out.
Again, show me the difference.
No. Since Johnny boy has such a low opinion of people he now needs to win the nomination, he can do it on his own without the votes of hateful Christians like me.
He - like you - needs a lesson in humility.
I hope he loses BIG on election day in November 2008. The GOP could use a few years in the wilderness again.
I will NEVER support McCain. NEVER... EVER.
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The Stupid Party
The RNC wants an amnesty candidate.
Don't vote for one.
Another amnesty will result in Democrat majorities for decades, or until they are supplanted by the La Raza Party, why doesn't the RNC know that? How stupid do you have to be to import voters for the opposition at the same time you alienate your own voters? Nominating any of the amnesty supporters is a losing proposition, we will not support them. If the GOP intends to surrender our sovereignty and abandon the rule of law, they will find in November 2008, that they still have their big money/cheap labor donors, but they do not have voters. GOP-RIP |
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Despite our differences over Amnesty, you strike me as a man who loves his country. If you won't support McCain for any other reason, how about for the troops? Do they deserve their sacrifice to be in vain if we pull out when a Democrat wins?
You owe them, Virginia Patriot. We all do. Put your personal feelings aside and do what's right. That goes for everyone here. |
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"I am so sick of people claiming that Mitt isn't a true conservative just because he wasn't a "perfect" conservative 18 months ago."
Um, you must be addressing someone else's comments, because I agree with you. |
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Hey.."stay classy, San Diego." Whenever you get here is fine. In fact, you can waive if you want. I don't want to put you out. I just wanted the fun of saying: "you owe me lunch."
In a race as tight as this one, "the field" made mathematical sense. After MI, I thought you might have a shot. Anyhow, I know its a bummer to lose an election. I'm a Democrat--believe me, I know. |
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The last couple of days, since this sad ending has been unfolding, I have noticed a bunch of people are saying: We're sorry, we got educated too late to stop this tragic turn of events. Many are mad at Rush, Sean and others for not coming aboard for Romney, early and forcefully.
Hugh has been called every hateful thing you can think of for promoting Mitt. I know Hugh offered all candidates opportunities to come in and share their vision for moving the nation ahead, as have the other hosts. Their job is not to tell you how to vote, but to help you explore the options.
Although it can be difficult, with all the outright lies and distortions being flung about, it is still up to us to sort through these and [choose the right] man. Didn't happen-- by the way I interpet the posts on many blogs tonight.
Learn to reject blatant bigotry and distortions of other peoples character. Notice when comments turn personal instead of staying on subject. Govenor Romney did indeed raise the bar on the way politics should be done, as he stood firm on his positions and refused to go personal on his opponents. |
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you were right to give me the benefit of the doubt, I are a horible spelar. I did mean Mormon not moron.
I am distress to hear this %40 figure. I would like someone to do a real analysis of it. I do not doubt it and I believe I heard someone say that Western Iowa voted very heavily anti-Mormon. I am not sure that statistic would hold up across the board though.
I'll be honest, I know little of the LDS faith. When the quote about Jesus and Satan being brothers came out I went on this board and on the net to seek the truth about it( I could be wrong but it doesn't seem to be a core belief of the LDS church by the way). Then it hit me, what the heck does that matter at all. Someone's particular beliefs within their religion should not matter at all in a election of the President. Now if someone's religious beliefs were overtly racist or they wanted to enforce religious laws like Sharia, well then heck yeah that would matter. I hope to everyone.
Well I am rambling. I am concerned that it seems some people thrive on any kind of hatred of other people just because of their beliefs. Why do they care so much? I have enough on my plate to live up to my belief in God let alone try to get into someone else's heart. Hatred and anger will burn your heart, leaving the tattoo of pain. Look into your own eyes and pick that speck out before it festers into a log that will never come out.
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Put it this way. I feel sorry for old Steve Forbes. In that debate, he answered "John Locke," which was a fair and intelligent response. It is a response in line with our American intellectual heritage.
Contrast that with Bush's flimflam. The "political philosophy" of Jesus basically consists of turning one's cheek, walking the extra mile, and ultimately yielding to authority. While that may have been apt for a Stoic from Galilee two millenia ago, it is not exactly "political philosophy." While there were saps on the religious right who ate it up, no one had the courage to say--"oh yeah? well, Mr. Smarty Pants, what did Jesus think about government by the consent of the governed? Did he have any specific views on the importance of private ownership and legal contracts in maintaining the social order?" Instead, everyone just said: "ooooooo. He said 'Jesus.' Better back away!!"
It has nothing to do with religious bigotry. A quiet, honest faith is the most beautiful thing in the world. But if you go into the public square and blat stupidly about how believing in God confers virtue, and order, and is in keeping with the finest elements of our moral heritage, and all these other great things, then I say you deserve a little contempt. At a minimum, you deserve some hard questions.
As for liberalism being emotivist: sorry, pal, that conceit has seen its day. There is a rationalist foundation to liberalism, even if it is not fully lived up to by its advocates. On the conservative side, particularly these days, with this generation of Americans, the raw emotionalism and moral relativism is palpable.
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McCain/Huckabee won Tuesday night. Today was just the evidence of that. Huckabee talked tough about staying in Tuesday night to make sure he locked a VP spot. Now all that remains is to have him and McCain compete as honorable men until McCain locks the nomination. At that point Huckabee congradulates McCain for runnig a positive campaign that respected Reagan's 11th commandment (i.e. not like Romney did) and then call upon all his supporters to back McCain.
This is the way the political process works in this country. It won't be based upon your emotions about how well you like your guy. It will be based upon the fact that Huckabee without Romney and Fred in the race dividing the conservative vote would have clearly gone for Huckabee. The North, where Romney was stronger is already in McCains back pocket where he beat Romney badly. He doesn't need Romney to balance the ticket, plus (like you said) McCain doesn't really like Romney, but he does like Huckabee.
Also on a pure numbers basis, I doubt McCain wants to risk turning off Evangelicals in the South who went for Carter in 76. McCain will certainly know and remember this history well. Huckabee will help lock down the "Bible Belt" in the South in a way Romney (a Northerner from the very liber MA) cannot. The logical choice, whether you like it or not, and for the good of the party (like Mitt wants) is to pick Huckabee.
One final thing. Since Mitt is now backing McCain to do what is best in this time of war, I would expect he will get behing the McCain/Huckabee ticket to help the party defeat the Democrats in November. Though his supporters may not like it, I'm sure most will go along with his wisdom. On the plus side, this should pave the way for Mitt to get a cabinet position if he wants it.
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I can say without hesitation that Mitt Romney is one of the finest men I've ever met. The end of his campaign comes as a surprise and disappointment. I feel confident that we've not heard the last of Governor Romney, and I look forward to the day that I can once again support him in his next endeavor.
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Perhaps you missed my post above and were posting at the same time. I pointed out that Gov. Romney never went personal and stuck to the issues. He ( not McCain or Huckabee ) kept Reagan's 11th commandment. Can you please explain your statement? |
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Michael MedVed has talked about what Huckabee said the NYT reporter. He does a good job on the radio of explaining that he knows this reporter and that he is very knowledgable on Mormonism. The conversation he was having with Huckabee was over the period of a day following him around and having a long discussion. The quesiton about Mormon theology came up during that conversation.
Was it smart for Huckabee to dialog about this with a reporter? No. Does it make him a bigot? No. If asking a question about someone elses theology during a conversation about that religion makes you a bigot, then anyone who has ever talked about different religions are bigots. In addition the question about Jesus and Satan that was asked really is something that Mormons teach on the LDS.ORG website, so it wasn't like he was asking about something you don't teach.
That's not to say that I don't realize that there are those who carry the name "Baptist" that are very anti-Mormon, but that covers a wide range of people and I can't believe most are in that category. And as I recall Huckabee was considered more moderate within his own Baptist group, so I just don't think the shoe fits. Of course if being a Baptist makes someone a bigot then I gues you'll have to not vote for John McCain on that count as well. After all, McCain has been a member in good standing othe North Phoenix Baptist Church for almost 20 years.
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No matter what they say now. They have had chances to defund the war like they did in Viet Nam but they don't have the fortitude to do it. So voting for the short-armed candidate is not gonna make a difference there. |
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Fantastic statement. I guess I now know the disappointment that my parents felt when I was a child in 1976. The year Ronald Reagan did not win the Republican candidacy.
Unfortunately as a nation we have lost a fanstastic opportunity to have an intelligent, optismistic, enthusiastic, fiscal conservative president who would fight to protect our country & preserve it's foundation.
I guess, like Reagan in 1976, it wasn't Mitt's time.
We're really going to need him in 4 years! |
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I'm sure we will have to agree to disagree, but the way I see it Romney launched an onslaught of very negative adds on both candidates. The media characterized them this way and I agree. There tone was the same as adds I've seen by Democrats attacking Republicans and vice versa.
To qualify Reagan's command as simply applying to "personal" attacks is to miss the spirit of the command. The point was that you don't drag your opponents through the mud because that fellow Republican will be running against the Democrat later on. You don't get into a war that can cripple the eventual nominee. With McCain and Huckabee (to a lesser extent) the hatred that has been generated against these fine men by fellow Republicans was fueled by Romney and his supporters.
Looking on these forums you see all kinds of Republican vowing not to vote for their fellow Republican, but I haven't seen that from McCain and Huckabee supporters. To me these forums are the best proof that the 11th commandment was thrown out the window by Romney and his supporters on talk-radio.
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Tell me were not back to the part where PL+LP+Lip+iLP attempts to fill other's heads with his omiscient versions of political science/Greek history/religious ethics and what-would-Jesus-do hypotheticals?
It's not as if I want to see the last 4 months of political campaigning repeated, but in many ways, they are similarly boorish.
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No one is saying Baptists are bigots. I don't think John McCain is a bigot, even though he is Baptist. However, there are Baptists that are bigots, just like there are bigots in all other faiths. And I believe Mike Huckabee is one of them.
If you think Mike Huckabee's "I don't know much about Mormonism" followed by "don't they believe Jesus and the Devil are brothers?" wasn't calculated and intentional, you are being incredibly naive.
I'm confident Mike Huckabee knows plenty about Mormonism, and I'm confident he knew the "Jesus/Devil" smear, offered as a quick barb without any context or elaboration on actual LDS theology, would enflame the Evangelical voter base upon which he depended.
Let's stop being disingenuous about Huckabee's use of anti-Mormon sentiment as sword and shield in his campaign. |
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At 12 American citizens killed per day in the USA by illegal aliens. We are losing more Americans here at home in a single year then we have lost troops in two wars dating back to 911.
Maybe you should think of those being killed every day here?
McCain is not the answer for the problems that face our Country. Hillary, Obama, or McCain. None of them are willing to fix the mess here at home.
Worse case is Obama pulls us out of Iraq and we have to drill for our own oil here. Maybe the French, Germans, or U.N. has to step up.
Write in Duncan Hunter. then maybe the RNC will wake up. |
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Romney's speech, where he basically called himself a Christian, never adequately addressed the paradox of: "well, if mormon's are Christians, why do Christians get mormons at their front door trying to convert them?"...I don't know how he could have resolved this, but he clearly didn't do it |
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At least with regards to their related historical foundations.
I've often heard, Pathetic Liberal, opine about his proud Jacksonian-roots.
I've also heard this sucking noise replicated while his fawning over Jefferson.
Yep, he was a very erudite man, spoke many languages, provided much provocative thought for his comtemporaries. He wrote about "all men being created equal, however, it's just that little matter over, "slave ownership", and, allegedly siring children by a black woman, Sally, he never gave freedom to.
Yeah, those Dem's and their Liberalism. As Patheic Lib says,
"There is a rationalist foundation to liberalism, even if it is not fully lived up to by its advocates." Perhaps we could wait for another 200-300 years and it will "fully live up" to expectations. Kinda' like the "socialist" experiment. It simply was not manifested in its purest form. All those who tried to implement it, mucked it up. |
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I want to thank Mitt Romney for fighting the good fight. He is a class act. I hope and pray that he runs in 2012 when we will desperately need him after 4 years of Hillary or Obama. I and many others I know are becoming Independents. The republican party does not own my soul and I refuse to be associated with a party that has lost theirs. For too many years we have been used to win elections and then pushed aside. John McCain cannot win, regardless of who the Dems run, because he has no credibility. Nothing he says can be believed. We know his record.
I read in many of these blogs people talking about this as if it is a game. It really does not matter who won the Suoer Bowl, but choosing the President does. Political parties do not matter, but the future of the country does. The absolute horror of all this, is that liberty and truth no longer seem to matter, especially to the angry little man who feels he is owed his crown. He will not get my vote. Unlike him, I still have principles. |
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Thanks. I'd like to read the book & appreciate the info. My grandfather & great Uncle were friends growing up in Dixon of Reagans & they all moved to California @ the same time. (grandfather was @ USC & uncle lived w/him).
To me, Romney had many of Reagans attributes.
Also, why is everyone still writing horrible & bigoted statements? It's a very disturbing insight to a fraction, small that it may be, of our nation that prides itself on dishonoring our Religious Freedoms! |
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No I don't think he is. You're judging the man on one comment to a reporter while he was having an extended conversation and the reporter, not Huckabee, was bringing up and discussing the Mormon faith.
You forget that Huckabee has not been in the Pastor business for 15+ years. It's not like he is going to be an expert on other faiths, or that he would keep up on all the latest theological debates even within his own faith. As Pastor he would have, but probably not as a busy Governor.
I can easily imagine Huckabee, who obviously has an interest in theology, talking to this reporter. The reporter is saying interesting points about Mormonism and in the conversation it reminds Huckabee of something he had heard in the past. Without thinking, he questions the guy (who Michael MedVed knows personally and says he is very knowledgable on Mormonism) out of curiosity for a different point of theology not thinking about who he was talking to. And in fact, that is what Huckabee basically says happend. He didn't mean for it to offend, it was just part of the conversation. The reporter on the other hand, likely included this in the interview to intentionally stir up trouble.
I would also say that Huckabee did apologize to Mitt for the way that was characterized by the media and Mitt accepted that apology. If Romeny didn't have a problem with it, I'm really confused why others still do and use this one instnace to smear Huckabee as a bigot. |
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Who is "we"? Is English your first language?
And if you're talking about that single loser who started "VV Against McCain" we already know about him. |
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You believe Huckabee's quote in the NYT to be innocent, I do not. You don't believe Mike Huckabee to be a bigot, I do. We must agree to disagree on this point. |
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Actually, my good friend and old advesary, my roots are more Whiggish. Jackson was a blight, in my opinion. As for Jefferson, whom I DO admire, I don't cluck over his slave-holding. Ditto with Lincoln, who was a racial separatist.
Being the true conservative in these parts, I recognize that some moral qualities are timeless, while in other ways, men are products of their time. Wagging our finger at Jefferson, as you just did, is simply one era wagging its finger at another. It is weak and silly--I know you can do better.
History is a continuity. We learn as we go--morally in addition to the other ways. The character of Jefferson, and Lincoln, despite whatever transitory and generational values they held, is deep, abiding, profound, and in keeping to our communion with our fathers and the giants of the past, sacred.
And btw, I'm a democratic capitalist no less than you. In this country, as Jefferson might have said in the aftermath of "the Revolution of 1800," we are all capitalists and we are all democrats. The issue is how do we resolve these sometimes contradictory systems. |
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Then there was that Andrew Jackson.
He personified popular democracy and sparred with the national bank----but he too:
1.) owned slaves
2.) ordered the massacre of and removal of Native Americans.
Even Los Angeles has an edgy rock musical performing, titled, "Bloody Bloody Andrew Jackson" (not written by conservatives). Posited throughout the program is the question, "Was Old Hickory a great president or an American Hitler?"
Very conflicting past indeed. But, just give Liberalism time---according to Pathetic liberal---it'll bear fruits far eclipsing all of those ugly forgettable past events.
1.) William Jennings Bryan spent his final days battling the teaching of evolution.
2.) Progressive standard-bearer Woodrow Wilson was a notorius racist who led the country into WWI.
3.) Franklin Delano Roosevelt instigated the internment of Japanese Americans
4.) LBJ brought us the Vietnam War.
Examples abound of the past failures of the Democrat Party----but today's Democrats ignore all of these tawdry little details.
Democrats used to get all dressed up for their favorite, "Jefferson-Jackson Day Dinners". Not anymore. Why dwell on these founder flounderings?
Yep, just give that Liberalism some time. It'll grow up, you'll see. And there will be Pathetic Liberal (if he lives long enough) to give you one of his famous, "I told you so!"
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I will probably support John McCain for the presidency.
I simply cannot withhold my vote when the Democrats are planning to throw away the successes we've been having in Iraq (which would be a disaster for our struggle against jihadism) and to pack the Supreme Court with liberal judges who will legislate from the bench for decades to come.
I simply can't.
But if Senator McCain chooses Mike Huckabee as his running mate, I will be unable to vote for Senator McCain.
My judgment of Governor Huckabee is (among other things) that he is a lightweight, ignorant of economics and a threat to the free market, and a demagogue who ran a campaign that brazenly exploited religious divisions in American society. I cannot vote for him. I simply can't. |
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I should add that I also find Governor Huckabee distasteful because of his naked appeals to envy and class warfare, which befit a Democrat far more than a Republican. |
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once again, I have a question that maybe someone knows the answer to: Why did Hewitt focus/entitle/emphasize the Mormon angle in the first place?
With all the things that could have been focused on in Romney's campaign, why did Hewitt pick his religion?
Seems not only a strange choice, but sparked a debate that really didn't need to take place. |
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The Democratic party--or the Democracy, as they called it in the aftermath of Jackson--has a checkered past. Truth be told, until a generation or two ago, I was a Republican--or at least, my family was. This generation of Republicans--I call them "Boomer conservatives"--have dirtied up the name of both Republicanism and conservatism. But that's another story.
For the record, I like LBJ, FDR, and Bryan, even while recognizing their fundamental shortcomings. Not a big fan of Woody--who was GW like in his grandiosity. Andy meant well, but he was too myopic and insecure, and it colored his political vision.
Okay, gotta run. Will let you get the last word. Cheers. |
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'Nother manifestation of Pathetic Liberalism, this schmuck masquerading as,
"Tagg Romney".
It would appear he too went to the, "Al Franken School of Pathetic Liberal Giddiness".
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You've gotta wonder how this guy was so successful with Bain. surely he shoud know about differentiating one's product and offering value to the customer. even with his questionable balance sheet this election could have been his for the taking if he understood his market. but the truth is he's just another New England liberal. |
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In 2006, I thought that Americans were too smart to give the Senate over to the Democrats...
In 2007, I thought that there weren't enough shallow Republicans to vote against an amazing candidate based on an ill-informed religious bias.
In 2008, I thought that Republicans were too well-informed to select as a presidential candidate the very man who has most frequently betrayed the conservative cause in the past 8 years.
Yesterday I thought that maybe the party's most intelligent, articulate, well-informed candidate might somehow overcome incredible odds and still pull off a victory over his lesser-qualified opposition.
I thought wrong.
Today I hope that in 4 years, the bigots will be silenced, the electorate will be educated, and a better-known and better-prepared Mitt Romney will be successful in a second run for the presidency.
There is always room for hope. |
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So who's it going to be?
Probably a governor. South would be good. Haley Barbour? But I thought someone said there was an ethics problem? Crist?
I think a movement conservative would be a smart choice.
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"Seems not only a strange choice, but sparked a debate that really didn't need to take place."
I don't think it remotely plausible to assume that the Mormon issue would not have arisen had Hugh Hewitt not written his book.
As a Mormon who has knocked around a great deal in graduate programs, professional activities, and so forth, nationally and internationally, I can assure you that the fact that I'm a Mormon is raised constantly, even though I don't wear the fact on my sleeve and even though it's very seldom even slightly relevant.
Faculty members I didn't even know would raise the issue when I was a graduate student, manifestly because I was a topic of discussion among my fellow doctoral candidates and the faculty in my area when I wasn't around. I've been asked about it from the audience when delivering a paper on an entirely unrelated subject; it's been raised by the most unexpected people, in the most unexpected foreign countries. (You would be astonished, but I can't say more without the risk of identifying myself too much.) It's a curiosity, I suppose. At the least.
And I can promise you, further, that anti-Mormonism is a powerful and well-funded industry in a certain religious subculture, with tabloids, newsletters, films, Sunday School curricula, CDs, radio broadcasts, television shows, books, letter-writing campaigns, magazines, seminars, professional speakers, web sites, message boards, recorded telephone messages, DVDs, blogs, door-to-door literature distribution, picketers, petition drives, movies, etc., etc., etc.
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If he is anywhere near the ticket, I will not vote. I cannot, I will not, and even holding my nose for such a scumbag would not do. Sometimes it's better to allow a child to make the mistakes. But electing Huck? BIG MISTAKE. He's gov. Boggs II. I don't trust him, I won't trust him. Never, ever will I cast a vote for him, even it if means hillar for 4 years.
Sorry, but that's how i feel. FYI, Mitt won more than Huck tuesdaynight. But mitt, he's got something Huck only dreams of...Class. |
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You say to write-in Duncan Hunter? I really like and respect Duncan Hunter. He was my first choice until he dropped out. However, I'm confused because you seem to agree with Hunter, yet you are not willing to follow his endorsement of Huckabee who is still in the race?
Here was his endorsement:
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/01/23/hunter-endo rses-huckabee/
I know people follow talk-radio host and all, but to me a man like Hunter who actually knows Huckabee is in a better position to judge his character and his conservative standing. In my view people are buying a lot of stuff from talk-radio pundits that simply has no basis in fact.
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I suppose you're right, and perhaps it's just from living, working, dating etc etc with Mormons for generations that it just doesn't seem like a big deal to me. Tonight I was working with one of my best buddies on a youth sports league and ribbing each other about "working around" Sundays given that half our kids can't play then, while half can. It's just part of life, from my point of view.
I also realize a lot of CCEs have pretty strong feelings about the LDS church, but I also know they don't exactly like RCs either.
Like I've said to you a couple of times over the past weeks, I just find the whole discussion a bit odd, and distracting from the real issues of the day.
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Well, it looks like you'll need to make other voting plans for November. James Dobson has just endorsed Huckabee:
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/ap/politics/5524082.htm l
With this endorsement, and Dobson saying he couldn't vote for McCain, what this translate to is that Huckabee will be on the ticket.
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Mexican President: Illegals Rescued by Elections
By: Newsmax Staff Article
Eying the results so far in the U.S. presidential primary race, Mexican President Felipe Calderon said he is hopeful that the next administration in Washington will usher in reforms that would legalize the status of Mexican immigrants.
“It seems to me that the most radical and anti-immigrant candidates have been left behind and have been put in their place by their own electorate,” Calderon told the Los Angeles Times on Wednesday, the day after the Super Tuesday primaries.
“My hope is that whoever the next president is, and whoever is in the new Congress, will have a broader and more comprehensive view” of the immigration problem.
Calderon said he took heart from the Super Tuesday results, but did not mention specific candidates, the Times reported.
Calderon is about to embark on a 5-day U.S. trip that will end in California, where he is scheduled to meet with Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger, Los Angeles Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa and migrant groups.
Calderon said one goal of his U.S. trip would be to generate support for immigration reform that would permit millions of Mexican to work in the U.S.
He also told the Times that Americans would “sooner or later” come to understand that the health of the American economy is linked to integration with Mexico and “greater freedom in labor markets.”
© 2008 Newsmax. All rights reserved.
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Mitt Romney is my hero of the election 2008. What a class act! A Real Man.
I might have to suck up and endure the next 4 years. But nothing will make McCain a conservative. Who is fooling who?
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We'll miss Mitt - a good man unlike Huck or McCain. Just remember when the LDS smears started only Paul stood up for Mitt. Hope that counts for something if not votes. |
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"Like I've said to you a couple of times over the past weeks, I just find the whole discussion a bit odd, and distracting from the real issues of the day."
I agree that it's a distraction, and not relevant to the real issues.
Like Mitt Romney himself, I didn't want his religious faith (and mine) to be a factor in this election.
It was, though. And, according to the polls, it was inevitable that it would be.
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Thank you for having the clear minded character to support Mitt. I agree, he's not dead yet. He will find some good things to do, good men always do. |
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Dobson? Big whoop. Frankly, I don't feel that religious 'leaders' should endorse anyone. I love that my church is neutral. That's the way it should be. My opinion of Dobson just shrank 10 fold for endorsing ANYONE.
I (along with many others) will NEVER vote for Huckabee. NEVER, NEVER, NEVER. |
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I'm not impressed with the dobson endorsement. In fact, I would hope that he loses a lot of creditability from it, along with his tax exmept status. Thomas Monson would never endorse anyone. (That's the new Prophet, Animal). It's out of their area of expertise. My church is a shinning example of how to stay out of politics, unless its for the whole good, like protection of marriage. To endorse a candidate by a religious leader is wrong. I know huck is on his knees, praying at the Dobson alter tonight. And lemmings are following him. Thankfully, I have a faith that allows me to think for myself, and vote for whom I want. Obama also won the Democrat votes in utah. Huck did not even show on the radar.
I repeat, and will repeat it often: Huckabee is a BIGOT in the worst sense. I will NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER VOTE for him. Not for the 'sake of the party, the country or anything. I used to like him, until his little 'slip of the tounge'. And for Dobson to endorse such a dishonest man tells me all I want to now about him.
You can vote for Huckabee if you wish. My my family will not. And trust me. There's more of my family than there are of yours!!! (over 600 at last reunion with only 3 generations of this mormon family gathered!) My ancestors came to this land for the freedom to worship. We were draged out of our homes. Forced to walk through snow and ice - sometimes barefoot. It is out of respect for those ancestors and my own faith, that I will NEVER vote for a bigot. |
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I may be able to forgive John McCain for his 11th hour lie about Romney to win Florida. Maybe.
But if he partners up with Mike Huckabee I will watch them go down in flames from the sidelines. Mike Huckabee is a poison pill to anyone who dares touch him. He is unqualified, devious, a populist panderer, disingenuous, frighteningly naive about the world stage, and willing to stage sectarian warfare upon his own people (the GOP) to boost himself personally. He has anointed himself the Jesus Candidate, molding his campaign around his religion for the lack of any other redeeming qualifications. I'm not looking for a spiritual leader slash President, and certainly not one who despises my own personal faith.
I cannot and will not support Mike Huckabee in any way, shape, or form. Period.
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Has anyone noticed that Mitt Romney respectfully stepped out of the race because of his support for the war on terror and Iraq? He is a class act! So ironic and wrong that the big lie that Mr. McCain so deceitfully spread 3 days before the Florida primary was about Governor Romney wanting to get out of Iraq early! Not only did this awful lie hurt Romney in the Florida primary, it also hurt the integrity of John McCain. It's too bad we all KNOW now for sure that John can be a lier. We will vote for him anyway, because if Mitt Romney can donate 40 million and 1 year of his life for the betterment of America, we can choose between ending the war prematurely or electing a democrat as well.
**Someone should take the entreprenuerial opp to make patiotic clothes pins and market them. We could wear them when we go to vote for McLame in November - either on our nose or on our clothes to show our support for our troops - but our disdain for McCain. "I'll hold my nose and vote!" |
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Now that there is no multi-millionaire
In the race spending millions defaming Huck,
You will now see Huckabee winning the overwhelming majority of the remaining states and delegates.
And we will be blessed indeed when he is inaugurated next January.
Our nation will then begin the long road to restoring traditional morality, which is essential for any nation that wants God's blessing and protection.
He will also appoint only judges who will hand out stiff sentences to hip hop thugs-aka "Souljas"- who peddle drugs, prostitute young girls,(calling them "hos") murder innocent people in gang type shootings, drive bys convenience store robberies,
and establishing a black "counter culture" that bitterly hates America, and all its patriotic law abiding citizens.
When Mike Huckabee is elected we will finally have a President who will get serious and win the war on drugs, as well as the war on Islam and terrorists.
BTW: Drugs and black hip hop "Souljas" have already murdered more Americans than terrorists and illegal immigrants wielding leaf blowers combined.
Just ask Bill Cosby-that’s our real domestic enemy-unassimilated, angry, and unemployed, drug pushing, and pimping black "American" males. Ironically, these criminals are *legal* US citizens-for whatever that’s worth
God Bless America and Mike Huckabee our next President-he will clean up this sorry mess.
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"Just ask Bill Cosby-that’s our real domestic enemy-unassimilated, angry, and unemployed, drug pushing, and pimping black "American" males. Ironically, these criminals are *legal* US citizens-for whatever that’s worth"
Wow, Huckabee supporters are not only religious bigots, but racists too. What a classy bunch!
Can't wait for the Huckabee Regime to begin the religious and racial purging of America. Where will you send all us Mormons and blacks, cornpone? I hear New Zealand is nice. Send me there! |
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So don't vote for McCain if Huckabee becomes his VP, I don't think anyone really cares...
You simply can't, well others Simply Don't Care.
Sit home and cry in your Kool-Aide. |
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If you go back and actually read: I referred to the black males (and there are man of them) WHO AREas i maqde clear: criminals:
hewre verbatim what I said:
"our real domestic enemy-unassimilated, angry, and unemployed, drug pushing, and pimping black "American" males. Ironically, these criminals are *legal* US citizens-for whatever that’s worth"
if you disagree with that, you are very much like an aclu liberal using the word "rascisn" like Al Sharpton who defends the indefensible.
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Welcome to the world of cool words from the strange 1965 Liberal Time Warp of PatLib(PL+LP). Afraid the very decent and entirely clueless fellow(Full Disclosure: With Mitt's exit, I will be buying him lunch on a lost bet next time I'm in the Peoples Republic for a project.)has created a world that doesn't exist...by a hundred miles. In this world President Bush is a Prideful Idiot who has betrayed Goldwater circa '64. The same dunce is a Religious Fanatic and Cryto-Conquerer whom the smart party of non-EMOTIVISTS is gonna have to do their patriotic duty and get the country outta the trouble he's caused.
You perhaps noticed the absence of any response to my stating that Bazama & Hillary have repeatedly stated their intentions of retreat from Iraq, diminishing our military, further creating a French Junkyard Nanny State and denying the existence of a Post 9-11 Real World.
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I only don't respond because I have done so time and again. Like I've said many times, if it took 9/11 to wake you up to the realities of the world, then your worldview is probably short of insight and wisdom.
Nor is it a "retreat." Money does not grow on trees. We have to decide what is the best way to defeat the terrorists. The callow and heedless stupidity of the Iraq adventure--which will be remembered as the signature disgrace of the Boomer generation--will have to be resolved honorably. Towards that end, the surge appears to be working--most particularly, Petraeus' diplomatic outreach, the use of soft power in conjunction with military muscle, seems to be working. We Dems have advocated this all along, by the way. Once again, though, it relies upon us Dems to clean up the mess left by you Reeps.
Nor do any Dems want a Nanny State. This is America. We are a free-enterprise country. We have no problem with a guy making an honest buck. What is not good is when the great America middle class is betrayed by a business and political elite which is acting more and more like stinking oligarchs than a responsible and worthy establishment.
So there you go. More words, I suppose. Words don't mean anything to conservatives these days. That's why they can call Barack an "empty suit" and a "radical" within two minutes of each other. They no longer feel obliged to rationality. It is not even a value any more. So, despite my many postings to the contrary, you can piously intone to every new person around here that I'm a military-hating, welfare-loving, pre-9/11 kind of guy. Emotivist caricatures like that beat having to deal with the substance of my argument. |
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I hope that Mitt Romney stays in the limelight in government somehow...'cause I'm sure gonna miss his purty face and lovely family.
I think Gooliani and McPain made a back room deal after the Florida Primaries. McLame got Gooliani to drop out of the race, then and there, in exchange for the running mate/VP roll. I wouldn't be surprised one bit if this were true. I just can't imagine these two little RINO guys running the world.
Thanks to Hugh Hewitt (and others) for all the endless support for and news about Mitt this past year or so. Thanks also, for all our conservative talk-back radio hosts who believed in Romney. It's been a long, exciting, and strenuous year. Thank you TownHall, for letting it happen here.
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Cont:
Iraq & Afghan' taken over by extreme Jihadists. Civil war erupts-thousands killed.
Gitmo is demolished.
More terrorist strikes at home.
Illegal immigration made legal.
Southern states lost to Mexican Democrats in election - they secede & become:
"The United Republic of America."
The expression of religious speech, stifled.
Christmas decorations allowed inside homes only.
No religious symbols in public. Christmas banned.
God's name off coins, Pledge, swearing in, etc.
SIX new Sup Crt Judges may be appted next term.
Gay marriage and polygamy legalized.
Partial birth abortion legalized.
Stem cell research/cloning legal and govt funded.
Limitation of free speech.
Signing of the Koyoto Accord.
Al Gore.
One world government.
UN World police - The UN will run the US.
Higher Taxes - more taxes.
Kids further corrupted at school with forced learning of gay/lesbo/transvestite lifestyles.
Schools will suffer-Parents Rights diminished.
The US will become a socialized, welfare state.
Bankrupties increase.
Recession.
Huge increase in unemployment.
Poverty will increase.
Homelessness will increase dramatically.
The National Debt will almost double.
Trade deficit will double.
Reparations for slavery passed into law-Obama.
Affirmative Action made into law-Obama.
The White House taken over by Kenyans.-Obama.
Louie Farrakhan moves into the White House.
The White House becomes a Motel 6.- Billary.
Bill is bored with 'nothing' to do. (o:
Remainder of our warships and planes will go.
Dependency on foreign oil-no drilling in ANWAR.
Fuel prices sky-rocket to $5.00 per gal.
It's a long way to 2012. We must stop the Democrats taking office at this crucial time, at all costs. Hold your noses and vote for McPain.
MITT 2012!
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All you folks who don't like McCain, please STOP and THINK, before you decide to not vote in the General Election, or who want to just write in Mitt Romney's name instead. Mitt, being a very wise and intelligent man, stated yesterday, that it's vital we not let the liberal Democrats, Billary or Obama take over the White House. We must support our candidate, whoever it turns out to be.
Besides immediate troop withdrawals from Iraq, and allowing dangerous nuclear weapons to proliferate in the Middle East and other nations, there are many other scary scenarios to consider, with the Democrats in power. Besides, we can't let them have control of the House, Senate, AND the Presidency. The damage they could do may take decades to right, if at all possible. Such as:
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Apologies to conservative friends here who might worry that, with this Subject Heading, I've morphed into one of those Lib-Rul big-word boys. Relax, guys, I'm still a full fledged T-Rex Warmonger. Just using PL+LP's nifty words on him.
1.)9-11 Woke ME up?? PL+LP, you know better than to slip that little nimble twist in there. C'mon. Jimmy Carter woke me up more than 28-years ago. I've been way too awake ever since. The seeming state of denial, post-Soviet Union, drowsy, semi-comatose time of our 8-year Clintonian soap opera wasn't shared by me or any neoconservative known to me. From Sandinista Stalinists to Freedom Hating-Women Stoning Mullahs, Democrats have swooned over and "engaged" monsters and abandoned their old principles for too many decades. They bear almost no relation to the party I joined and supported in what seems another far-off age.
2.)Not after a Nanny State? Oh. Both Clinton & Obama are Saul Alinksy Socialists--and rather proud of it. Strange, 60's throwbacks. Having seen that throwing trillions at domestic social issues DOESN'T WORK, they can't wait to expand and multiply the denial of Human Nature. Take a look at Nawluns for a horifying poster child of The Great Society. Incidentally, can you show me please where Barack's suit isn't empty? I'm talking resume to lead the world's unipolar superpower in this massive time of War With Radical Islam. BOTH Obama & Clinton have spoken repeatedly in the debates I've seen of the programs, "initiatives", Health Care, Moms on leave, Old Folks, Help-Aid-Expansion blah-blah of massive spending on(what I call)Nanny Statism. And, you have the straight faxced temerity to bleet about War Costs...IN TIME OF WAR? |
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Correction..."straight FACED temerity..."
Gotta run and do VIGFM*, but will quickly add one more point...
3.)YES, they do talk of RETREAT regularly. Obama expresses concern that Clinton's plan to remove ALL of our combat troops from Iraq in the first 12-14 months after the Oath Taking is TOO SLOW and hesitant. IF, as you clain, nobody's talking RETREAT, then they are cynically and knowingly LYING to please their Cowardly Base. Hillary is a practiced LIAR of vast experience. She did, after all, learn from the Best. But, Obama is lying??
I think not.
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Top of the day, sir. Please consider emailing me. Mine is listed on the discussion group. Yours does not work--I attempted.
Your little "Pet Lib" writes,
"Like I've said many times, if it took 9/11 to wake you up to the realities of the world, then your worldview is probably short of insight and wisdom."
Funny how the entire decade of the 90's did nothing to "wake up" the sitting administration of the time. What was done to address the accumulating aggressions by Islamo-extremists? Oh yeah, a pharmaceutical plant was "engaged". And, when given the opportunity to capture the known, bin Laden, it was determined, "worthless".
So, what exact "world realities" did 9/11 wake you up to, NeoCon? The very same "world realities" that were so abundantly clear to the Democrat Party for so very, very long? The same "world realities" that the Democrat Party persistently addressed, aggressively pursued, tirelessly brought about national and world recognition to? Yeah, I too wonder why it was only you NeoCon, and all other conservatives, who needed a 9/11 event to arrive at true enlightenment? Everyone knows full well that Democrats, Liberals, Leftists, progressives, victicrats, commies, socialists were long before "schooled" on these "world realities"---and thusly worked hard at finding solutions. What solutions? I don't know---nor do they.
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Be careful now, you know it is only a conservative manifestion of Boomer excess, ignorance, selfishness, short sightedness and the like, which has brought us to this point in time.
The Clintons are not part of this "Boomer" phenomena.
Don't you remember?
The Democrat Party sprayed themselves (in the 60's) with that teflon-like Boomer-amalgam which allowed them to adroitly avoid/circumvent the dysfunctional behaviors which have only been exhibited by conservatives, republicans of recent decades. And because of this, it is conservatives who have strayed from principled tenets.
If cons like you had only known enough to use that aerosol way back then----your political party would be pristine too.
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I'll go to the site tonight or tomorrow and contact you, my friend. Too much VIGFM on the plate today.
Yep, what I particularly LOVE about the Pacifist Retreatist Party is that they are--once again--counting on America being in a snooze from Post
9-11 Reality. It is their ONLY HOPE for winning the election. Osama bin Laden, I'm convinced, will do his part to aid them. He'll lie low and plan, restrengthen and wait...No sense bringing reality to the Great Satan when a Dem administration will be in Full Retreat from the Mideast by the afternoon of January 20, 2009.
Look in vain for either Dem to talk regularly of the Reality of Our War With Radical Islam. Nope, today's America--for them--is all about Health Care Socialism likre the Junkyard systems of France, UK and Canada. ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ.
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This is so great for me! Hugh, you are putting a great spin on Mitt. The guy is a QUITTER! He is no "fighter". Come on, if he was gonna be such a "fighter" against the jihadists, why cower out now?
Poor Hugh, your hero is now a zero!
Talk about "cutting and running" when things get tough, Mitt runs away!
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dieLie asks: "What do you honestly think the percentage was? What can be done to prevent this anti-Moron bigotry in the future..."
The public opinion polls I've seen, showed that among those Christian evangelicals who attend church weekly, some 40% would not vote for a Mormon.
And those are the Republicans that delivered the winning edge for Bush in Ohio, in the 2004 election.
As for what can be done about it, the GOP has to wait till it has popular leadership that can stand up to it.
As Bush's authority has waned (nobody wants to even mention his name anymore), and as the GOP congressional leadership has been blamed for the 2006 loss, there is no one in authority to stand up to the bigots and hand them an ultimatum: Bigots are not welcome in the GOP.
It took the GOP leadership to tell David Duke he wasn't welcome, remember?
And as a result of the decline of the GOP's moral authority, we're seeing some really ugly stuff coming out this year: Anti-Mormon bigotry from the evangelicals; anti-Hispanic bigotry from the nativists; anti-Semitism from the Ron Paul supporters.
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Obviously you were kicked off of the mediamatters/moveon.org/dailykos sites for equally stupid postings.
Now you find yourself on a site, HughHewitt.com, which fully recognizes and allows for freedom of speech.
All that said, it does not legitimize now dilute your lack of recognition to Romney acquiescing to the overwhelming mathematical requirements of what he would need (over 60%) of remaining delegates to succeed. Since he has not tracked at 60% of delegates in any state, primary, or caucus, he recognizes the economics.
Huckabee, on the other hand, somewhat weak on economic issues, is behaving in a predictable manner. Huckabee would need over 83% of remaining delegates to overcome McCain's lead-----yeah, that's gonna happen (if only in your world)
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WITH GREAT APPRECIATION AND LOVE WE SAY, A SHORT FAREWELL TILL NEXT WE WILL HAVE THE HONOR OF YOUR COMANY, SIR...
GOD BLESS YOU AND YOUR DEAR FAMILY.
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a Mighty Redwood! World Class & Entirely Stand Up.
Clarity: Focus...Put the pistol down. Gooood. Now, step away from that piece. Goooood. Now, tell the little troll that you are having Ish-Shoes about connecting with his Inner Lenin. Gooood. Now, sing Kum-by-yaya...Goooood. |
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I have been truly astonished at the depths to which people have sunk in their misplaced fear and hatred of the Mormons. Thank you Hugh for addressing it directly. Most media types either ignore or minimize it. If any of them would read the comments on the blogs, I believe they would be as stunned and hopefully as saddened as I am by the vitriol spewed about Mormons. Unfortunately, a huge percentage is by the evangelical base and Huckabee supporters. Huckabee himself has been a participant in making sure that the religion issue was always out there for his supporters. It is for that reason that I could never support any ticket with Huckabee on it. It really is time that this issue sees the light of day. This kind of discrimination is unacceptable. I have come out of this experience with the intent of exposing and confronting this bigotry every time I see it.
Another thing I have decided is that there are a lot of very scary people who hang out on the blogs. It's not a positive or uplifting place. I wish a blog could be established for reasonably intelligent people who are interested in spirited debate without all the nastiness I have been reading. |
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1. Stephen Breyer will be 70 years old in 08/08
2. Ruth Bader Ginsburg will be 75 years old in 03/08
3. Anthony M. Kennedy will be 72 years old in 07/08
4. Antonin Scalia will be 72 in 03/08
5. David Hackett Souter will be 69 in 09/08
6. John Paul Stevens will be 88 years old in 04/08
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I grew up LDS, left for a while, then came back. It's where I need and want to be. It's where I raise my kids. Some on this board will never respect that. They contine in their hatred. I don't hate huckabee. I don't respect him either. He started the religion issues, and 'wishper' campaign agains Mitt. He'll get his another time. But I lost respect for him and could never and will never vote for him. I am impressed with the amount of true evangalists who did support mitt, inspite of pressure for their preachers.
The Huck supports also do not understand that while mitt may not have won the south, he did win a heck of a lot more in delegates and votes than Huck did. Mitt had the class to make the attempt to unite the party by stepping aside. Huck sees it as a vacume he can fill. However, all he does is suck. |
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you write:
"Neco/CS
I remember you guys in the 1990s. You were busy sniffing around Bill Clinton's crotch..."
Envy is a very ugly trait.
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That comment by your pal, Pet Lib-----comes out of nowhere, makes no sense.
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It's Hugh Hewitt, host of "The Mitt Romney Show!" All Mitt All The Time. And of Mitt is not in the race, then there is no race. All of the sudden John McCain is a nice moderate. Gee. No hypocrits here. |
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Linear statement at 6:something? Clarity's right. Can't make out what it is, Brutha. As my homies whom I see daily would say: "Mistah Neo, He Baaad. Mistah Neo, He Dowwwwwwn."
You'waaaaaay too Librul to unnerstan', Bro Lib.
Sniffin' brutha Clinton? Not me, white boy. Did get a little irritated when d'Boss man invite hissef into my livin'room and wagged his finga' at me and say he pure as snow. Lyin' sacks a chit kinda irritate me when they in my livin'room.
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Remembers being there, that close, closer, closest, where? define being there, there?
NO, NOT THERE? He WAS there?
You know Hillary said, she will make the committment to have people in the White House, who are honest and trustworthy!, OK, then, where she will have Bill stay? I do not think, she, never mind.
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Backat'cha, dear friend.
Can't you just imagine that buch of pond scum back in the People's House? I think my mind just goes into numbed denial when I edge up close to thinking about it. And nothing that Allah would ever hand Osama bin Laden could make him happier. Self-Obsessed Socialism siphoning away our treasure and energy in Huge Times of War. And, the Star of the 90's national soap opera frollicking once again unleashed upon the stage.
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You both rock! :-)
Sorry to hear about the leg ms. Hope you are up and around soon.... |
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Gov Romney is a great American and was likely the best candidate. Unfortunately he lost. Fortunately he handled it graciously. I would prefer McCain not be the nominee but the reality is he will be. I will vote for him - he is better than any Dem on the war, on judges, on life, on Federal spending, etc. It is sad to see so many people attack him so personally - any of you flown 23 combat missions over Viet Nam or spent 5 plus years in the Hanoi Hilton. How about spending another 30 years in public life with an 83% conservative voting record? I am all for supporting the candidate you want in the primaries - but when the smoke clears, if it is McCain v. Hilary or Barack, thinking there is no difference is ignorant, and sitting out an election this important and handing the White House to a Dem with a Dem Congress is foolish and dangerous for our Country. Our Country should come first. |
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...to mourn and then I will be up and ready to go ahead and support McCain. Yes, I will support him with my vote and my pocket book, just as I have indicated on previous posts that I would. However, I will not supporting him with my confidence and heart. I am disappointed and troubled by the lack of vision and principle of too many in the Republican party. We could have and should have done much better by nominating Romney, but then again, thats life. Huckabee needs to get out of the race so we can get things moving. I assume he is waiting for a VP nod from McCain. |
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Have a nice weekend, you too dear Neo.
God Bless.
Interesting times ahead! Scary too. |
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If Mitt will get a conservative record on social issues to go with his conversion experience to conservatism, he will be accepted. So he should run for congress or the senate or something. He said he repented of his former liberal stances, and if he should "bring forth fruits of his repentance" by proving he votes the right way, he will win next round.
For many of you his promises were enough. But others of you desire he proves it by votes that he is a social conservative. |
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What I am saying is plain as day.
You cannot claim Clinton ignored the gathering terrorist threat in the 1990s when your side did its level best--using its majority power--to stymie his ability to govern. If you recall, Clinton's efforts to project American power in a dangerous world were derided by your team as "wag the dog." And even as Bush came into power and was warned point blank by the Clinton Admin that Osama constituted the single greatest threat to our country, Republicans just yawned and started busying themselves with China and missile defense.
I think someone up there (probably CS) castigated Dems for ignoring the sad plight of women in Islamic regimes. If I recall the months prior to the 9/11 attacks, there were many Democrats who sought to spotlight that problem in Afghanistan, only to be growled down by the Reep administration--who apparently were negotiating with the Taliban over an oil pipeline, or some such thing.
You know, you guys--I mean Boomer and Boomer-influenced conservatives generally--have a real propensity for washing yourselves of responsibility. While it is a politically useful characteristic, it is morally weak and shallow. And the good people of America are beginning to see it--which is why, at long last, despite being a conservative nation, Republicans are being called to account for their years and decades of shoddy governance.
Which is why I brought up the fact that your team was far more interested in the details of Clinton's private activities than in the details of the "gathering terrorist threat." History will remember that, and will not buy the self-absolving nonsense that "Bill Clinton was asleep at the switch." These have been Republican decades in America, and while there is blame enough to go around for the failures of our generation, you are nuts if you think the lion's share will be accorded to the side that has been relatively powerless. |
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I have never been on those sites you mention. I listen to HH everyday. I think it is funny that his "fighter" quit!
Period.
He QUIT!
I also believe the the conservatives showed their lip mas test with regard to the quitters religion. Way to go!
As far as "free speech" goes here. I have been flagged NUMEROUS times because some first amendment conservative doesn't like what I have to post.
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grasshopper,
What you continue to fail to understand, is that Mitt Romney is also a businessman. I know, I know, not a very valued characteristic among the "Beltway" crowd, politicos, and the like.
He looked at the numbers---and made a business decision (among the other variables bringing him to his decision).
You can call it whatever you want to. It does not change the fact that he got out his calculator and ran the numbers. I know, I know, for people like yourself, it is a difficult concept to consider these business criterion. It's further evidence as to why so many home purchasers (usually the single biggest purchase in a persons life) engaged in "highly questionable" mortgages.
Millions of home buyers are now facing "upside down" residences---the place where they bed their children and store their worldly valuables----because they did not do their homework.
You refuse to see the business side of Romney's decision. So be it. |
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Pardon my ignorance, but, what is a "lip mas test"?
I am familiar with, and have engaged in, "litmus tests", but not your version.
Praytell, what is this? |
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Indeed, I can claim whatever I want to, as can you.
Simply put, I stick to claiming things which have reality-based foundations to them. You know, the Truth, and all of that stuff.
And that, sir, is the over riding difference between you and me.
(I now look forward to printing out your post, just above this one. I want something to exhibit as proof to my children that college educations today are not all they are represented to be. And certainly not a good business decision for acquiring useful information) |
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to me about Clinton, his hairy-chested stand upedness to Radical Islam(Like his many visits...err..visits...errr...visit...errr..NO VISIT to the Twin Towers after Attack #1. Classy little intern chaser. Oh, and the brave, stern finger wag your Dems, by GAWD, gave the Taliban for its treatment of women. Yesirrreeee, gave those Mullahs some scary severity. Maybe arched a disapproving eyebrow! Your Hated boomer, meanwhile, liberated the country from the Butchers. I'll admit, PL, your side is realllllly something on No-Balls Finger Wags. that's why Islamist Sewage pay them no-never-mind.
Gotta go to a fund raiser art show at a friend's Tatoo Emporium.(*Hey, I am multi-facetted, dude!!*) Back later. |
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Mitt Romney newer was a good governor. He simply destroyed Massachusetts. People left the state, jobs disappeared, corporations moved out of state. Also the health insurance for all was a disaster for the regular citizen not the one who has millions to spend. Minimum deductibles of $3500 only help the insurance companies simply because if you arrive at the hospital and the bill is up to $3500 you have to come up with it. So what is the reason to have a health insurance of this kind. He probably got paid by the insurance companies to come up with this idea. I would not be surprised to learn that he started one of these health insurance companies to make more money. At least he learned that he can not buy the road to the white house. Vote democratic vote for Barack Obama http://www.yourdecision08.com |
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I am a confirmed conservative in the mold of Senator Barry Goldwater, one of the great political minds of the 20th century, the father of conservative political thought in the past forty years.
What I read on this site, and what I hear in conservative media bears little resemblance to Senator Goldwater's firm and oft-stated beliefs: fiscal responsibility, ultimate respect for the bill of rights, support of the second amendment, and most of all, extreme caution in the commitment of the US military overseas. These beliefs are the foundation of conservative thought. Yet, the new conservative wave of politicians denies our founding principles and destroys our appeal to independents by allowing extremists to "speak for" and distort true conservative philosophy. When are legitimate conservatives going to take control from the
extremists, and present our philosophy as something other than an extremist group of fanatics?
Let's move quickly, or November will be a sad month.
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Sorry to see HH wanting us to gather around McCain..nope. Not behind Huckabee either. Neither are true conservatives. Romney supporters need to continue and rock the higher tiers of the Republican Party with our voices! A Brokered Convention may solve it all...this republican race is sure asking for one! |
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McCain is just too slimey to get my vote. Huckabee is un-electible. If Mitt's going to toss in the towel, I'm going to do the only thing that will help any Republican and register Democrat in the primary to vote for Hillary, who appears to be the weaker of the two opposing candidates. After that, I may write-in Mitt in the general election. I can't vote McCain. If America elects a Democrat we deserve the results. Maybe we'll actually get our act together in 2012 if we feel the pain and disgrace resulting from the actions of a Clinton/Obama as leader of the free world. |
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Is to make sure you actually read the post and then get up on your pedestal and show us your incredible intellect in spelling and grammar!
Well done! |
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