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This band of mostly liberal "political cops" is no friend of the right to keep and bear arms. |
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Phew! What a relief. I'm so glad that police will still be able to carry firearms! :) |
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The FOP is just another union. They've never met a Democrat they couldn't support. |
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This organization supported the 1993 Brady Law, the 1994 assault weapons ban and opposed the 1995 attempt to repeal the assault weapons ban.
Beware readers, many groups that are involved in public safety, (Police and Fire Services) are no different than the SEIU or the Teamsters except that their members are cops and fire persons.
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...the NRA vehemently disagrees...... |
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arms. Guns get stolen and used against other people. Domestic violence escalates. Kids shoot other kids accidentally. And the cops have to clean up after your messes.
I won't live to see it, but I hope that someone has enough guts to pass a real amendment against gun use. This isn't 1776 and we don't need militia. |
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That is the single most ignorant comment I've ever read at Townhall.....
You simply don't know what you're talking about..... |
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most cops in big cities would rather people have fewer, not more, guns.
But you hicks keep pretending the guv'mint is out to git ya! |
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does Ka-Dud know where you live? I guess your out of the club your no longer in the hick club. |
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with you out of the club I guess I move up to vice president in charge of hog calling. |
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You have your chance in the next two years to outlaw guns and demand their confiscation. I think you should work to make it happen as soon as possible. |
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we went from only 12 states with CCW (Concealed Carry of Weapons) laws to almost all FIFTY now. It is the WILL OF THE PEOPLE!!! Libs pay lip service to the "people" but only till they get elected.
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Most of the guys I shoot with are or were cops. The new lady sheriff in this county started revoking concealed carry permits as soon as she got her stars. Crime has skyrocketed. She says it's a coincidence....
All the cops hate her.... They all know that concealed carry is the only way to protect family and self. The cops just can't be there before the crime happens...
This kaboom person is challenged at best..... |
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I shoot with cops as well. Our sheriff and DA come to speak at our Tea Party events. The under-sheriff helped us set up for the Tax Day Tea Party. The sheriff's wife is a local talk show host who not only promotes our events, but is as rocked-ribbed a conservative as you'll find anywhere.
The man I got CCW training from is a five-time quickdraw champion with the Colorado State Patrol. He seeks to put guns in as many qualified hands as possible.
I recently went to a fair. When an officer asked to search my backpack, I gave him my CCW permit. He smiled and immediately waved me through.
The DA, btw, is running for the US Senate. GIVE HIM MONEY!!!!
http://buckforcolorado.com/ |
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..to your carry rights, Chief, but she is to mine. Which is part of the plan. Useful idiots like you, Chief, will keep the rest of us in line. |
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are IAD weasels who got promoted for ruining guys' careers over free lunches and tiny "public servant discounts". TRY to find more than a handful of these turds who EVER spent more than one year (as rookies) in a patrol car or on a beat. Good luck!!
They dance to the political tune as their handlers pull their strings. In BIG cities it's the ONLY song and dance allowed.
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"cops don't want you to keep and bear
arms."
What an idiotic sweeping generalization. *Which* cops, Kaput? Cops in rural America? Don't think so? City cops? Not most of them. Political cops like FOP? Many of them, indeed. But they're in the minority. You simply don't know what the phuk you're talking about.
"Guns get stolen and used against other people. Domestic violence escalates. Kids shoot other kids accidentally. And the cops have to clean up after your messes."
*OUR* messes? I think you're blaming the wrong people, sweetie.
"I won't live to see it, but I hope that someone has enough guts to pass a real amendment against gun use."
Not only will you not live to see it, but many of the people who are around on that day who try to enforce such a law won't be living very long either. Fact is, America is a gun culture and will be so for the foreseeable future. Fact is, the state governments wouldn't dare trying to amend the 2nd Amendment to the US Const. out of existence, nor so amend their own state constitutions similarly. Fact is, the right to keep and bear arms doesn't even need constitutional recognition for it to be a valid individual right, as the Founders said. Fact is, you're a moron.
"This isn't 1776 and we don't need militia."
You're right about the first part. It isn't 1776, it's 2009, with the libby-lefties at the helm. And therefore why we need *more than ever* a militia, defined as American civilians capable of bearing arms for the common defense and to defend agaisnt tyranny, as the Founders defined it. |
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"it's 2009, with the libby-lefties at the helm. And therefore why we need *more than ever* a militia"
That's a rather glaring admission. You lost an election, and therefore you need a militia. |
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We're losing our liberties, our property, and our country, under both the Republicans and the Democrats. It's just that the Democrats are usurpers on steroids. But you will only go so far, for now anyway.
Because we have a militia. |
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...was in place long before the last election. It was established by the Founding Fathers. You remember them....don't you Munck....? The ones who only spoke metaphorically in the Declaration of Independence?
What worries me most is that our educational institutions are now producing people who think the drivel you speak is the result of superior thinking.....
If this is the state of this country....that makes militia all the more necessary..... |
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"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing."
~Edmund Burke is credited with making this statement but there is some question regarding its attribution.
Perhaps, Munck, even you will realize that you are losing your freedom and liberty, unless, of course, you simply don't care about them. |
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"Because we have a militia."
Do you think that it actually makes a difference to anyone anywhere in the political community that you have a militia? That anything whatsoever is done differently for that reason? You're viewed universally as a tiny group of crazed white whackos, running around in fake military camouflage in your pickup trucks and crouching in your bunkers foundling your guns. Sure, occasionally one of you goes out and shoots up a church, school, or doctors office, but in general you're absolutely harmless.
I suppose it gives you a feeling of power to type these brave words about your "bearing arms for the common defense and to defend against tyranny," but in reality you're just a small bunch of gun nuts. |
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I love it when I'm able to provoke him so.
He writes:
"Do you think that it actually makes a difference to anyone anywhere in the political community that you have a militia?"
Answer, yes. From Sanford Levinson's watershed Yale Law Review article, "The Embarassing Second Amendment:
"a state facing a totally disarmed population is in a far better position, for good or for ill, to suppress popular demonstrations and uprisings than one that must calculate the possibilities of its soldiers and officials being injured or killed."
"That anything whatsoever is done differently for that reason?"
Not anything, whatsoever, no? Where on earth does Bunck derive that from anything I've written, I wonder?
"You're viewed universally as a tiny group of crazed white whackos, running around in fake military camouflage in your pickup trucks and crouching in your bunkers foundling your guns."
Munck is obviously confusing private "militias" with the constitutional concept of "the militia." What a dull boy. Needs to read a book or two.
"I suppose it gives you a feeling of power to type these brave words about your "bearing arms for the common defense and to defend against tyranny," but in reality you're just a small bunch of gun nuts."
Eighty-million gun owners; four million NRA members; three-hundred thousand or so GOA members. (To be continued below): |
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Continuation of the discussion of how numerous we are:
Writing in the journal Public Interest, B. Bruce Briggs opines on the “Great American Gun War” waged between a group of Americans “who take bourgeois Europe as a model of a civilized society" and:
“a group of people who do not tend to be especially articulate or literate, and whose world view is rarely expressed in print. Their model is that of the independent frontiersman who takes care of himself and his family with no interference from the state. They are ‘conservative’ in the sense that they cling to America's unique pre-modern tradition--a non-feudal society with a sort of medieval liberty writ large for everyman. . . .
This hard-core group is probably very small, not more than a *few million people* (emphasis mine), but it is a dangerous group to cross. From the point of view of a right-wing threat to internal security, these are perhaps the people who should be disarmed first, but in practice they will be the last . . . . They consider themselves no threat to anyone; they are not criminals, not revolutionaries. But slowly, as they become politicized, they find an analysis that fits the phenomenon they experience: Someone fears their having guns, someone is afraid of their defending their families, property, and liberty. Nasty things may happen if these people begin to feel that they are cornered.”
My own research indicates that these “few million” are actually closer to tens of millions, which is why I asked Bunck the question of what percentage of the 80 million American gun owners would resist a theoretical federal gun grab. If you remember, Bunck refused to answer the question. Why? Because he knows he’s not dealing with merely “a tiny group of crazed white whackos.” |
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"Certainly one of the chief guarantees of freedom under any government, no matter how popular and respected, is the right of citizens to keep and bear arms.... The right of citizens to bear arms is just one guarantee against arbitrary government, one more safeguard against the tyranny which now appears remote in America but which historically has proven to be always possible. "
-- Senator Hubert H. Humphrey
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"Do you think that it actually makes a difference to anyone anywhere in the political community that you have a militia?"
Answer, yes."
Examples?
"Munck is obviously confusing private "militias" with the constitutional concept of "the militia."
Not confused at all. The former exist, and are as I described you: a tiny band of whackos. The latter is a concept, a theoretical principle with no actual current application.
" B. Bruce Briggs opines on the “Great American Gun War”
You're quoting a wingnut from a third of a century ago, one who can't come up with any actual examples either?
"My own research indicates that these “few million” are actually closer to tens of millions"
People actually threatening or contemplating armed revolt because they lost an election? Nah, just you and a few hundred other fanatics. |
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...stages of the Revolutionary War, the "militia" was just a bunch of farmers. Then somebody yelled, "Hey, grab your gun and let's go...!" and off they went.....
I don't think it will be that different the next time......
BTW Munck.....do I remember correctly that you are the owner of a firearm(s) as well.....? |
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"BTW Munck.....do I remember correctly that you are the owner of a firearm(s) as well.....?"
No, I'm not, but remember I'm not talking about the general class of gun owners. I'm talking about the small, crazed cult of loonies that run around in camo gear from Big&Fat and proclaim they're armed to the teeth and are going to get back at the people who stole the election from them. All elections. |
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"Examples?"
No. Just the consensus of the Founders. Mentioned by Levinson. Indicated in a famous quotation from William Pitt about how the British should fear "three millions of Whigs with arms in their hands." Indicated perhaps as well why Germany more or less left Switzerland alone in WWII, and why it came to believe it *should* have left Crete alone.
[["Munck is obviously confusing private "militias" with the constitutional concept of "the militia."
Not confused at all. The former exist, and are as I described you: a tiny band of whackos. The latter is a concept, a theoretical principle with no actual current application.]]
Funny that you only mention it after I've pointed out the distinction, especially when I was quite clear about the matter previously.
As far as the popular militia currently having no application, you're more or less correct, but that doesn't vitiate anything I've said about it being a check on government usurpations. As far as it being "theoretical", you couldn't be more wrong.
[[" B. Bruce Briggs opines on the “Great American Gun War”
You're quoting a wingnut from a third of a century ago, one who can't come up with any actual examples either?]]
Unable to refute him, you resort to fallacies and name-calling. I wonder if you could try to be a little more predictable.
[["My own research indicates that these “few million” are actually closer to tens of millions"
People actually threatening or contemplating armed revolt because they lost an election?]]
You might want to re-read what I actually said, dim bulb.
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"No, I'm not, but remember I'm not talking about the general class of gun owners. I'm talking about the small, crazed cult of loonies that run around in camo gear from Big&Fat and proclaim they're armed to the teeth and are going to get back at the people who stole the election from them. All elections."
Wonder who those guys would be. |
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Oh....you must mean my Uncle Earl....
Yeah, we don't talk about him much since the ......accident. |
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The framers meant for us to keep and bear arms in order to prevent tyranny. Let's look at a couple of scenarios that could raise an almost instant militia.
Try making Obama Pres for life, or even a 3rd term.
Try nationalizing the oil business and keeping the profits for healthcare.
Try taking away the right to protect ourselves by confiscating our guns.
Try adopting sharia law.
Try limiting the population growth with mandatory sterilization.
Any of these would kick up a militia that makes the weekend warrior militial look like small beans. |
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"Let's look at a couple of scenarios that could raise an almost instant militia."
Could you please give us your assessment of the likelihood that each of those things will happen? It's my contention that they are all fairy tales from the hysterical far right wing, intended to frighten not the children, but the other unintelligent members of their tiny cult. |
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Don't know about clawdan, but I certainly don't see any of those as a likelihood. However, your question is largely *irrelevant*. As your fellow Dim H. Humphrey wrote, "The right of citizens to bear arms is just one guarantee against arbitrary government, one more safeguard against the tyranny which **now appears remote in America but which historically has proven to be always possible.**" (Note the section between the asterisks.)
Did you miss this when I posted this quote above? Or did you intentionally igmore it?
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Wonder if he's done here. I'd say yes, he's done.
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"Don't know about clawdan, but I certainly don't see any of those as a likelihood."
Then why are you and your fellow travelers buying up all the guns and ammo you can get your hands on? Why does just about every thread on this site include some wild-eyed wingnut boasting with great glee how they're going to mow down liberals and/or socialists in a vast slaughter any day now? Why do we see the same thing in Free Republic and Ace of Spades and every other far-right blog?
Anyone with a lick of sense knows that the things clawdan listed as possibilities are absurd. They simply aren't being threatened or contemplated by anyone. Instead we're seeing crazy people complaining about Card Check and then threatening to lock, load, and attack. Certifiable nutcases are ranting at great length about having a public option in health care and then muttering darkly about how they have concealed-carry permits, lots of ammunition, and are prepared for Der Tag.
No, this isn't about the situations that the Founders had in mind; this is about a bunch of unstable people who lost an election, feel utterly powerless, and are threatening treason disguised as patriotism. |
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[["Don't know about clawdan, but I certainly don't see any of those as a likelihood."
Then why are you and your fellow travelers buying up all the guns and ammo you can get your hands on?]]
In all liklihood because, with the victories of the Dims in 2006 and 2008, we figured there might be some pretty draconian gun control laws on the horizon.
"Why does just about every thread on this site include some wild-eyed wingnut boasting with great glee how they're going to mow down liberals and/or socialists in a vast slaughter any day now? Why do we see the same thing in Free Republic and Ace of Spades and every other far-right blog?"
I think you need to stop hyperventiliating. Civil war isn't imminent. But on the other hand, you'd better start thinking more seriously about that Briggs quote, and place it in the wider context of aperceived threat to life, liberty and property. You don't want to be ruled by us right-wingers, Bunck, and we sure as hell don't want to be ruled by you left-wingers.
"Certifiable nutcases are ranting at great length about having a public option in health care and then muttering darkly about how they have concealed-carry permits, lots of ammunition, and are prepared for Der Tag."
You really should try reading Thomas Jefferson some day. |
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"Civil war isn't imminent."
Then why are you buying up guns and ammo?
"you'd better start thinking more seriously about that Briggs quote"
Including the parts that said: "From the point of view of a right-wing threat to internal security, these are perhaps the people who should be disarmed first ... Nasty things may happen if these people begin to feel that they are cornered." Do you think that Briggs would refer to a valiant and patriotic reaction to tyranny as "nasty things?" He's talking about the danger of a hysteric and fanatic right-wing cult uprising.
"You really should try reading Thomas Jefferson some day."
If "civil war isn't imminent," then Jefferson isn't talking about the current situation. You aren't fomenting revolt against a dictatorial takeover; you're talking about a violent uprising because of Obama 53%/McCain 46%. That is, pure and simple, treason. |
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Do you think the constitution does not give us the right to own firearms? |
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"Do you think the constitution does not give us the right to own firearms?"
Sure it does. The Second Amendment. |
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"You aren't fomenting revolt against a dictatorial takeover; you're talking about a violent uprising because of Obama 53%/McCain 46%."
Rather, you just keep foaming at the mouth. You know, the mere, shrill repetition of a point that has been rebutted previously won't make it true.
"Do you think that Briggs would refer to a valiant and patriotic reaction to tyranny as 'nasty things?'"
Yes.
"That is, pure and simple, treason."
So call the FBI: 1-800-CALLFBI (225-5324).
One more time, dull boy:
"The right of citizens to bear arms is just one guarantee against arbitrary government, one more safeguard against the tyranny which **now appears remote in America but which historically has proven to be always possible.**" (Sen. Hubert Humphrey) |
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"One more time, dull boy: "The right of citizens to bear arms is just one guarantee against arbitrary government"
You already had guns. The point is that you're buying many more and threatening to use them all over the place.
"So call the FBI"
The FBI already knows about you. The threat of right-wing terrorist attacks have been discussed in great detail in their reports. |
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"Bunck goes hysterical"
That's the best you can come up with, huh? I'm not surprised. |
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If you've got a white flag (and as a liberal, I'm sure you have a collection), now would be the time..... |
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now that we have agreed that the second ammendmnent allows private citizens to own firearms ,what do you think their legitimate purpose is? Recreational "hunting ,target shooting ect.." self defense and defense of ones home and property , protection against an encroachind and illegitimate goverment? |
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Munck is just afraid that conservatives will start shooting all the libtards when they take away too much of our freedoms and liberties. We can't have those conservatives with guns now can we Munck!
I know! Why don't you libtards try passing laws that incrementally take away those constitutional rights we are endowed with? Yeah that is the ticket. Get their guns away and libtards can rule absolutely over their fellow man. After all Libtards are the only ones who know how everyone should live. Right Munck? |
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Bob Munck writes: Friday, July, 17, 2009 9:19 PM
Cicero 5:06 PM
"Don't know about clawdan, but I certainly don't see any of those as a likelihood."
Then why are you and your fellow travelers buying up all the guns and ammo you can get your hands on? Why does just about every thread on this site include some wild-eyed wingnut boasting with great glee how they're going to mow down liberals and/or socialists in a vast slaughter any day now? Why do we see the same thing in Free Republic and Ace of Spades and every other far-right blog?
Anyone with a lick of sense knows that the things clawdan listed as possibilities are absurd. They simply aren't being threatened or contemplated by anyone. Instead we're seeing crazy people complaining about Card Check and then threatening to lock, load, and attack. Certifiable nutcases are ranting at great length about having a public option in health care and then muttering darkly about how they have concealed-carry permits, lots of ammunition, and are prepared for Der Tag.
No, this isn't about the situations that the Founders had in mind; this is about a bunch of unstable people who lost an election, feel utterly powerless, and are threatening treason disguised as patriotism.
Arch says
Gee Munck. That is exactly how the British felt about those damned pesky colonists who didn't appreciate being taxed and regulated out of their hard earned wealth. Maybe we do need a revolutionary war to right the wrongs of a century of libtard socialist creep! Care to pick up arms with the rest of us? |
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The FOP. Har!
This band of mostly liberal "political cops" is no friend of the right to keep and bear arms.
Me- Well, duh, if you had to respond to dozens of calls where some drunk redneck just shot his wife, neighbor, or a stray dog, you'd probably not be a fan of the "Second Amendment" either.
I'm just wondering what kind of society thinks that people have a right to own deadly weapons regardless of their ability to handle them properly, but doesn't think there is a right to get health care.....
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Arch- "Munck is just afraid that conservatives will start shooting all the libtards when they take away too much of our freedoms and liberties. We can't have those conservatives with guns now can we Munck!
I know! Why don't you libtards try passing laws that incrementally take away those constitutional rights we are endowed with? Yeah that is the ticket. Get their guns away and libtards can rule absolutely over their fellow man. After all Libtards are the only ones who know how everyone should live. Right Munck?"
Me-Actually, I think both parties have too many people who are willing to tell others to live while they don't have their own stuff together.
That said, ask Tim McVeigh how the last revolution went. Oh, that's right, you can't, because after he killed all those people (including kids) he got a hot shot from the evil gummit!
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90% of cops (STREET COPS not political weasels and TV cops) are PRO-2nd Amendment!!!!!!!! When we USED to have good gun shows in Yonkers and White Plains half the DEALERS were cops and the cops who were assigned to security used to request the assignment as it was the easiest OT around.
We "eeevilll" gun owners ran a guy out of the place because he was going from table to table trying to "buy" a copy of the "Turner Diaries". The cops checked him and he was carrying a mike and hidden camera. Then we had some bozo trying to get as many wide angle shots of ANTIQUE British and American BOLT-ACTION rifles as possible. I assume for either some strange website or the Gannett rags.
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"Why do we see the same thing in Free Republic and Ace of Spades and every other far-right blog?"
I don't read those, but it is nice to know that I'm not the only right-wingnut out there.
And btw, I could care less about the outcome of an election or what anybody's ideology is. We all have the freedom to believe whatever we want. However, when one's ideology is forced upon me by the iron fist of government, then you can bet that I'll resist.
And before you say anything stupid about ideologies being forced upon people, freedom FROM government is the promise of America, it's founding documents, and its Founders. It is impossible to force upon citizens that which they are born, ie. inalienable rights.
Keep up with the tired meme of, "your just mad cuz you lost an election", Bob. Say whatever you must to ignore the reality that the Democrat party is now dominated by communists. I know ALL about the seven stages of grief. You're in stage 1: denial. |
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90% of cops (STREET COPS not political weasels and TV cops) are PRO-2nd Amendment!!!!!!!! When we USED to have good gun shows in Yonkers and White Plains half the DEALERS were cops and the cops who were assigned to security used to request the assignment as it was the easiest OT around.
We "eeevilll" gun owners ran a guy out of the place because he was going from table to table trying to "buy" a copy of the "Turner Diaries". The cops checked him and he was carrying a mike and hidden camera. Then we had some bozo trying to get as many wide angle shots of ANTIQUE British and American BOLT-ACTION rifles as possible. I assume for either some strange website or the Gannett rags.
Me- So you guys cleaned up your act somewhat. Big whup.
Lots of cops I know are very concerned that the next speeder or domestic call they are put on might be some idiot who has a gun who shouldn't.
But again. Right to affordable health care- No. Right to own a gun even if you don't know which end the bullet comes out - Yes.
Welcome to the bizarro world of the crazy right wing...
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There is no right to healthcare in our constitution ,there is a right to own firearms.
providing healthcare is the responsibility of the private citizen and no one else. |
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"Right to affordable health care- No"
Wrong. Most basic services would be affordable if the government weren't subsidizing the industry, or if govt allowed us the ability to self-diagnose and self-treat (I diagnosed myself with pink-eye, but I still had to pay $70 to a doctor in order to get a $20 prescription).
Government doesn't grant "rights". The only thing that differentiates govt from any other institution in a free society is the power to coerce compliance. Socializing healthcare is an act of coercion. |
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"If you've got a white flag"
There's a corollary to Godwin's Law about declaring victory in an online debate. I'm content to let the discussion stand as written, and to have anyone who reads it make that judgement. I'm sure Cicero tried his best. |
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Careful with that axe, Eugene writes: Sunday, July, 19, 2009 8:18 AM
Arch Channels Tim McVeigh
Me-Actually, I think both parties have too many people who are willing to tell others to live while they don't have their own stuff together.
That said, ask Tim McVeigh how the last revolution went. Oh, that's right, you can't, because after he killed all those people (including kids) he got a hot shot from the evil gummit!
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McVeigh got what he deserved. What the hell does he have to do with preserving liberty? Last I knew, everyone hated him. He was no better than a loony libtard! |
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"I'm just wondering what kind of society thinks that people have a right to own deadly weapons regardless of their ability to handle them properly, but doesn't think there is a right to get health care....."
A free one.
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Paddy, sort of reminds me of a politcal cartoon I once saw about the Joint House-Senate Iran-Contra Committee's grilling of Oliver North. The cartoon showed three or four members of Congress, sporting slings, bandages and eye patches, facing Col. North. The caption read, "No more questions, Col. North."
It's natural for someone who has been pwned to spin it in the opposite direction. |
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Funny....I was thinking of the knight in "Monty Python & The Holy Grail," who kept getting major body parts hacked off, but continues to talk trash....until there was nothing but a head on the ground..... |
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[["Why do we see the same thing in Free Republic and Ace of Spades and every other far-right blog?"
I don't read those, but it is nice to know that I'm not the only right-wingnut out there.]]
Indeed. Poor Bunck is at his wit's end, something that is evident from three things in our exchange over the last few days: 1) he refuses to answer my question of what percentage of America's 80 million gun owners would actively resist a theoretical federal gun grab; 2) he declares, on the one hand, that we are a tiny band of armed wingnuts on the one hand, but; 3) on the other, complains that he finds us all over the internet; and 4) at the end of the discussion is reduced to hysteria over some impending right-wing uprising.
I'd say this is irrefutable evidence he has been duly disabused of the silly notion that we are few. |
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"Just a flesh wound."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2eMkth8FWno
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"1) he refuses to answer my question of what percentage of America's 80 million gun owners would actively resist a theoretical federal gun grab;"
You yourself have admitted that such a gun grab isn't at all likely. It's a red herring.
"2) he declares, on the one hand, that we are a tiny band of armed wingnuts on the one hand, but; 3) on the other, complains that he finds us all over the internet;"
No, I mentioned three right-wing blogs and alluded to others. Total number of discrete armed wingnuts: a couple of dozen, maybe as many as a hundred. It only took one Timothy McVeigh to kill 168 people.
"4) at the end of the discussion is reduced to hysteria over some impending right-wing uprising."
I don't think such a thing will actually happen; you people are much to incompetent and hapless to manage such a thing. But some of your more crazed nutcases could well end up killing people. |
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Drunks in cars kill far more people than guns do every year ,For that matter, Doctors malpractice and misdiagnoses kill more people than guns in this country . Perhaps we should make dueling legal again ,could help with manners and make tort reform unnessarry the cost to institute this reform would be minor. |
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[["1) he refuses to answer my question of what percentage of America's 80 million gun owners would actively resist a theoretical federal gun grab;"
You yourself have admitted that such a gun grab isn't at all likely. It's a red herring.]]
It's a hypothetical, which remains unanswered by you. It remains unanswered by you because you are a coward.
[["2) he declares, on the one hand, that we are a tiny band of armed wingnuts on the one hand, but; 3) on the other, complains that he finds us all over the internet;"
No, I mentioned three right-wing blogs and alluded to others. Total number of discrete armed wingnuts: a couple of dozen, maybe as many as a hundred. It only took one Timothy McVeigh to kill 168 people.]]
Ah, a couple of dozen, maybe as many as a hundred. I see.
You are more amusing with every post. Please, keep posting this stuff. |
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"Various polls suggest the potential for explosive growth of the militia movement. A Time/CNN poll indicates that 27% of Americans feel that armed resistance to the government is a right. (See 1 in 4 Says Armed Opposition Is OK, Rocky Mtn. News (Reuters), Apr. 29, 1995, at 44A.) According to the same poll, 52% of Americans feel that the government 'has become so large and powerful it poses a threat to the rights and freedoms of ordinary citizens.' (See id. An ABC News/Washington Post poll shows that 36% of Americans agree that the federal government threatens personal rights and freedoms, but only 9% agree that violence against the government is sometimes justified. See Nightline (ABC television broadcast, May 17, 1995), available in LEXIS, News Library, Script File.) According to the poll, 13% of Americans support private militias. (See id.) As ABC's Chris Bury points out, 9% and 13% of the population translates into 17 million and 25 million adults, respectively. (See id.)
http://www.davekopel.com/2A/LawRev/commun1.htm
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"What the fvck happened to the right wing I used to know? Where's the spirit? Where's the guts, huh? This could be the greatest night of our lives, but you're gonna let it be the worst. "Ooh, we're afraid to go with you paddy, we might get in trouble." Well just kiss my a$s from now on! Not me! I'm not gonna take this. Wormer, he's a dead man! Marmalard, dead! Niedermeyer......
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And that number will only grow if Buncky's socialist friends in DC manage to entrench themselves as a result of demographic changes, political enfranchisement of illegals, etc. |
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"9 - 13% will do."
That's about the same percentage that believes that the Apollo Moon Landings were faked, that 9/11 was an inside job, that aliens landed at Roswell, etc. etc. It's probably the same people. |
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It finally dawned on me as to who it is you remind me of.
I came from a huge family and photographs were so often a part of gatherings.
Many of my family members no longer remain.
Ahhhhhhhh......but the photographs do. And these contribute to reclaiming the events, and even the personalities of some I've not seen for decades.
There's one kid in so many of these captured Kodak moments; the one remembered to always have been efforting to damage the picture-perfect.
His legacy remains as quintessential stick-in-the-mud. And for no other reason than because he could.
Here on these very threads, you are that immature little kid (like some other Lefty-friends of yours). By no means are there "perfect" exchanges, nor highly outstanding arguments being offered up. But there you are---doing your damndest to stand out as the miserable one. In so many of the dialogues, you are right there----tongue sticking out, cross-eyed, "rabbit-ears" projection, unzipped zipper, etc., etc.----only because you can and for no other reason.
To repeat----for no other reason.
Hey-----Fluncky, "wipe your nose and strike a pose". Okay---don't. At least, "wipe your a** and show some class".
What a memory. Of a true Loser. |
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Point is, it's more than 100.
Curious: why is it that you're having such difficulty following the discussion? Even your own points? |
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"It finally dawned on me as to who it is you remind me of."
You paint a vivid word-picture, clarityseeker. It's a shame that your powers of expression do not extend to logical or cogent argument.
"only because you can and for no other reason."
Au contraire, I also find it vastly amusing. |
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"Point is, it's more than 100."
Of course. I only claimed that there were perhaps as many as 100 posting on right-wing blogs. Do you dispute that? |
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"Amusing"?
What a third-rate reason for wasting so much time with so much nonsense.
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"wasting so much time with so much nonsense."
Maybe you should stop writing it. |
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Arch - "McVeigh got what he deserved. What the hell does he have to do with preserving liberty? Last I knew, everyone hated him. He was no better than a loony libtard!"
Me- Actually, he was the same kind of paranoid loon you are... thinking he needed to arm himself because the government might take away his Pen!s surrogate- his gun. |
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"There is no right to healthcare in our constitution ,there is a right to own firearms.
providing healthcare is the responsibility of the private citizen and no one else."
Me- Actually, the constitution says there is a right to a "well-regulated Militia".... not for every yahoo who owns a gun to go shooting up his neighborhood...
But the important thing. There are no rights. There are collective privilages the majority tolerates. Any fool who thinks he has a right to ANYTHING should go to Wiki and look up "Japanese-Americans - 1942". These people had their freedom, property and civil rights taken away because their ancestors were born in a country we happened to be at war with, and the Supreme Court upheld the government's right to do so. (Korumatsu vs. US)
Get people scared enough, they'd agree to anything... and frankly, right now, you guys are acting pretty scary, threatening to shoot up the country because YOU lost an election.
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There are some scary proto-Christian folk here anxious to load up and kill their fellow countrymen in the name of some McVeigh style Minute Men armchair General Lee. Look at the nutters who comprise the TH faithful, who fantasize about the scary black man taking away their God given guns. Then they can dream about the next Civil War, as they mow down -- who exactly? American soldiers? -- in a violent, delusional perversion of the past. All these creepy whispered, "Just wait until WE have to break out the ammo to preserve LIBERTY..."
You're quiet psychos but the reason the GOP will stay in the shadows for a looong time, bless your weird li'l souls. And your guns won't save you. |
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The GOP gets more unhinged every day. Here's a FOX military nutter actually calling for the execution by Taliban of the captured American soldier.
Just another endless reason your party won't be in power anytime soon:
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"Of course. I only claimed that there were perhaps as many as 100 posting on right-wing blogs. Do you dispute that?"
Yes, I do dispute that. Any educated person on the matter would disptute that. But that was never the issue, was it, Bunck?
The issue was always how many Americans *at large* would be willing to go toe to toe with the Feds if ever the Feds stepped over the line. Again, try to follow along, stupid.
I'm almost tempted to say you're starting to bore me, because you *are* starting to bore me, but inasmuch as you've revealed yourself as *such an absolute $hit-for-brains*, I think I'll just keep posting here as long as you do. A good crisis should never be wasted. ;)
"Who's With Us?"
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Keep telling yourself that. Keep telling that you all your fellow liberal meacocks. Please. We'd oblige, y'all. |
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I'm going to start proofing my posts before I push the button. |
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I'd like to play, but I have to run out to Gun-nuts-R-Us. They're having a special: Buy 10,000 bullets, get the second 10,000 free...
What kind of right-wing gun-n-Bible clinger would I be if I passed on a deal like that....?
I'm probably under a half a million rounds, and my pipe bomb and IED collections could use some stocking up, and my collection of liberal targets is running low too...!
Have fun.... |
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"The issue was always how many Americans *at large* would be willing to go toe to toe with the Feds if ever the Feds stepped over the line."
No, the issue was always how many Americans *at large* would be willing to go toe to toe with the Feds if ever a good health care plan were enacted, or Card Check were passed, or taxes on the very rich were raised by 4%, or just in general if Obama won the 2008 election. That's the problem; no one actually expects draconian gun laws or sharia law to be enacted.
If nutcases on the right-wing blogs, yourself included, were ONLY threatening armed revolt if an attempt were made to change our form of government, I'd have no problem with that. You loony-tunes are yelling that you'll start shooting if they rename Reagan National Airport for another president, say Washington. And the trouble is, some of the more dim-minded of you (a distinction without a difference) are apt to believe it and start shooting spontaneously. |
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If that Obama care health care program gets passed into law, it will mean socialism will take over our nation. I will get out my guns and start killing everyone that even looks like a libtard!!
I can make bombs too. even bigger than Timothy Mcveigh's.
Is this what you are afraid of Bob? |
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Careful with that axe, Eugene writes: Sunday, July, 19, 2009 5:20 PM
Arch
Arch - "McVeigh got what he deserved. What the hell does he have to do with preserving liberty? Last I knew, everyone hated him. He was no better than a loony libtard!"
Me- Actually, he was the same kind of paranoid loon you are... thinking he needed to arm himself because the government might take away his Pen!s surrogate- his gun.
Arch says
Axe. I am already armed and have been nearly my whole life. Our constitution gives me and all citizens that right. Imagine that! boy genius!!
My two sons are armed and capable of maintaining and operating several military designed weapons as well as my wife. We have that right and none shall abridge it without bloodshed! All these years and I haven't yet killed another human being. Leave us alone and live in peace!! |
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I'm done with you in this thread, Bunck, now that all you can seem to do is repeat the same inane, previously refuted points.
See you up top. |
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for posting perhaps the most entertaining comment here, re: "The Holy Grail". That is a funny-a$$ scene, and quite apropo.
See y'all up top. |
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"all you can seem to do is repeat the same inane, previously refuted points."
Then all you have to do is refute them. You've done nothing in that regard.
Take a look at this thread on Free Republic:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2295624/posts |
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Axe is too stupid to argue with . |
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Axe. I am already armed and have been nearly my whole life. Our constitution gives me and all citizens that right. Imagine that! boy genius!!
My two sons are armed and capable of maintaining and operating several military designed weapons as well as my wife. We have that right and none shall abridge it without bloodshed! All these years and I haven't yet killed another human being. Leave us alone and live in peace!!
Me- A whole family of loons trying to make up with their "inadequecies" with weapons... Freud would have had a field day with that one. |
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Let me repost,
Bob
"Why do we see the same thing in Free Republic and Ace of Spades and every other far-right blog?"
I don't read those, but it is nice to know that I'm not the only right-wingnut out there.
And btw, I could care less about the outcome of an election or what anybody's ideology is. We all have the freedom to believe whatever we want. However, when one's ideology is forced upon me by the iron fist of government, then you can bet that I'll resist.
And before you say anything stupid about ideologies being forced upon people, freedom FROM government is the promise of America, it's founding documents, and its Founders. It is impossible to force upon citizens that which they are born, ie. inalienable rights.
Keep up with the tired meme of, "your just mad cuz you lost an election", Bob (and Eugene). Say whatever you must to ignore the reality that the Democrat party is now dominated by communists. I know ALL about the seven stages of grief. You're in stage 1: denial.
Eugene
"Right to affordable health care- No"
Wrong. Most basic services would be affordable if the government weren't subsidizing the industry, or if govt allowed us the ability to self-diagnose and self-treat (I diagnosed myself with pink-eye, but I still had to pay $70 to a doctor in order to get a $20 prescription).
Government doesn't grant "rights". The only thing that differentiates govt from any other institution in a free society is the power to coerce compliance. Socializing healthcare is an act of coercion. Besides, we already have a right to healthcare, unless the govt bans it.
You guy's got nothin'. You're intellectually bankrupt, and intellectually dishonest. |
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"I am already armed and have been nearly my whole life"
Probably just since puberty. That's when the problem became apparent. |
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"You've done nothing in that regard."
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Here's an interesting blog that I discovered this morning. See the sidebar content re: the "three percenters". Also, scroll down for an article about how TN (which appears to have joined at least 2 other states), are fusing gun-rights issues with state sovereignty issues. VERRRY interesting.
http://sipseystreetirregulars.blogspot.com/
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Careful with that axe, Eugene writes: Monday, July, 20, 2009 6:49 AM
Me- A whole family of loons trying to make up with their "inadequecies" with weapons... Freud would have had a field day with that one.
Arch says.
Axe.
I guess I just have to come down to your intellectual level to debate you. Maybe you can comprehend this!!!
Who the hell is Freud? I'll kill him too just because you mentioned him! |
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