Friday, August 29, 2008
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CNN's Roberts Thinks VP Palin Would Neglect Disabled Child
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Posted by:
Amanda Carpenter at
9:25 PM
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Big H/T to Newsbusters for catching CNN's John Roberts speculating if Sarah Palin's new job offer might cause her to neglect her Down's Syndrome baby.
That's right. He was openly "wondering" if she would have enough time to care for her disabled baby because she's successful enough to become the nation's first female VP.
How dare he even raise this question. I don't have children, but I know MANY career women who work very hard and carry a lot of stress balancing their home and professional lives. But they do it and they do it darned well. And I know they have no tolerance for this kind of desperate guilt trip that cuts straight into the heart of any mom.
This sort of shameful talk will deservedly backfire in John's face. The transcript is stunningly offensive. Here is is below, emphasis mine.
JOHN ROBERTS: You know, there's one other issue -- we've talked about her experience and what depth of experience she has; the fact that maybe she tries to peel off a few women voters on the Democratic side, who really wanted to see a woman in the White House in some way, shape, or form. There's also this issue that on April 18th, she gave birth to a baby with Down's Syndrome.  DANA BASH: Yes.
ROBERTS: The baby is just slightly more than four months old now. Children with Down's syndrome require an awful lot of attention. The role of Vice President, it seems to me, would take up an awful lot of her time, and it raises the issue of how much time will she have to dedicate to her newborn child?
I think Dana Bash was caught off guard with that "question." She awkwardly responded: "I guess -- my guess is that, perhaps, the line inside the McCain campaign would be, if it were a man being picked who also had a baby, but -- you know, four months ago with Down's Syndrome, would you ask the same question?" Probably not. I'd like to know if Roberts also wonders if Joe Biden should have given up his U.S. Senate seat to stay home with his sons after his wife and daughter were killed in a car accident. Is he a bad, neglectful parent, too?
Update: Meanwhile, bloggers at the DailyKos are wondering if the baby is really hers. They think she might have faked the pregnancy and her disabled child is really a grandchild.
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Of course if Palin would have aborted the baby it would have been okay with Roberts,but then we get into all that personal responsibility stuff that the left can't comprehend. |
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No woman with such a tiny baby--Down's Syndrome or not--should take such a demanding job.
A 4 month old should be nursing every 3 hours (that's from beginning of the meal to the beginning of the next, leaving you about 2.5 hours in between). Will Palin be doing that while running for vice-president? Or abandoning her child at home with a bunch of bottle full of formula while she pursues what SHE wants.
Yes, women can have careers and children. I do. But I have sacrificed in the interest of my children--I drastically cut back my hours and do as much work as I can at night and weekends. Because my kids need me more than the office.
I know I shouldn't be judgmental. But as a mother of an infant myself, I cannot for the life of me see why a woman with a tiny baby, a baby that can't even hold it's head steady yet, a baby that needs to be held and nurtured by it's MOTHER--why such a woman would jet set off and turn her back on her child. |
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Here's a guy who favors abortion who suddenly shows concern for Mrs. Palin's child.
It seems to me that Mrs. Palin is a lady capable of many functions, this baby is her fifth child of a very well-ordered family.
Her political performance hasn't inhibited her motherhood, her family if the proof, plus her husband is behind her 100%.
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is a piece of human garbage for asking that question and parents and friends of Downs Syndrome children should protest until he's fired. Of course, the MSM will gladly not cover his bile... |
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Finally, a ticket that all Americans can support. Let's look at what Gov Palin brings to the table:
1] first hand experience on any impact that global warming may be having on the Artic
2] first hand experience with balancing oil exploration and ecological concerns
3] managemnt skills overseeing a state with about the same population as Delaware (and certainly more territory)
4] and a refreshing, no-nonsense approach to government.
Isn't this what we have all been asking for for 20 years? Clearly, she is not a petroleum engineer, and an ecologist, and a biologist and a climatologist, yet somehow she is getting the job done. Perhaps we should recognize talent when we see it; it would appear that she can. |
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...is a total moron. But, idiotic comments like that are what I've come to expect from CNN. I sometimes wonder if they are trying to outdo MSNBC in stupidity. Obviously no IQ test is required in order to work for either of those two networks. Sarah Palin's Down Syndrome child is probably more intelligent than the entire CNN staff. |
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Has anyone noticed that Sarah Palin "winged it" today? No script, no teleprompter, just plain-spoken sincerity.
What a welcome addition to the campaign! |
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Congratulations to Newsbusters for the catch. Robert's sexist rant was also commented on one hour later by Media Matters.
With morning announcement of Palin pick comes morning sexism on cable news
Summary: With reports that Sen. John McCain had picked Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin to be his running mate, sexist commentary on cable news followed. On CNN, John Roberts raised the question of whether as vice president, Palin would be able to devote the time necessary to care for her baby with Down syndrome, and on MSNBC, Andrea Mitchell and Chuck Todd suggested that Sen. Joe Biden bears the burden of having to adjust his behavior in a vice-presidential debate because of Palin's sex.
What kind of a world are we now living in where Media Matters is firing on the MSM? |
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To be fair I guess they feel the same way about Obama's kids, should he be President will he neglect his children? Or is it a woman's place to be in the house?
http://www.edmartinonline.com |
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Why is there surprize at the LSM making these comments? Don't you people know THEY were going to make history by getting the first black man elected POTUS? This move by McCain could shoot down their plans. OF FRIGGING COURSE they are going to go after her. Hell,what do they have left to lose? Would have been interesting to be a fly on Hillary's wall today. |
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As Vice President she should be fine.
It is a legitmate point. Hmmmm, are dems arguing woman should stay home and take care of the children? Nancy Pelosi, you on board for that? Doesn't Nancy have five kids too (granted they are grown now but they were little when she started). |
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she was a man,no one would say that.
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90 percent of Down's Syndrome babies are aborted today.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/09/us/09down.html
Palin had every opportunity to abort, and at least two "reasons" (Down's and her career) but she is not a hypocrite (unlike "I am my brother's keeper, except my half-brother in Kenya, that is" Obama) so she kept this baby and obviously loves him and all of her children very much. A political campaign will be very difficult, but it is only 60 something days for her. I am sure her children, all of them, will be just as loved and cared for as Michelle Obama's will be during the same time period.
I am a stay-at-home mom who breastfed her babies, but I am behind Palin 100 percent and she certainly knows more about what my life is like, as a mom, than anyone else in this race. If McCain is elected, and Palin becomes Pres after McCain's first or second term, she could literally save the lives of thousands of Down's Syndrome babies and help our country turn back from the Nazi-like destruction of any life that isn't "perfect" or "wanted" that we have been sucked into since 1973. I bet Trig will be proud!
Go McCain/Palin!! |
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on CNN (Beggula(sp???) also commented tonight that Palin was poised when she gave her speech today, but he said it was something she would learn by being in a beauty pagent.
Imus gets fired for alleged racist remarks, but now sexist remarks are ok? Sexism alive and thriving. Now go tell Hillary supporters there was no sexism in this race.
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A stay-at-home-dad?
Is this guy insinuating that men aren't capable of nurturing children?
Oh, that's right... Liberal men are scared of children :) |
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Most folks (like me) are lucky enough to be normal, but part of my job involves working with the developmentally disabled.
Each state has their own Human Services, Social Services, or department thereof.
There are also numerous non-profits and faith-based operations in place that assist families who need youth mentoring, tutoring, respite services, or just plain old living assistance for their DD kids after they turn 18.
Most of these folks live very normal lives, have jobs, and take regular vacations (something that I myself have often neglected to do).
If you have "DD" children in your state and need help, try contacting some of the local non-profits, churches, or other services that are available.
This country can provide a LOT of help to families who need it... but you have to look into the situation and ask.
I am also impressed with Sarah's husband, who appears to stay at home a bit more than the average Dad. Since he's supporting a wife with a hefty career this is extremely admirable. Many men would have a problem dealing with a spouse's incredible success.
Todd Palin obviously loves his wife AND his family, and is willing to make sacrifices for them.
(I still hope he manages to hunt and fish once in a while, since he lives in Alaska and all! :-)) |
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If you think his comment was bad, follow the link into the kos site. Good Lord, those people are paranoid psychotics. |
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Seems to me that the Palin family will have no proplem stepping up to the plate.
As president of the senate Sarah could bring her child with here so that the Demos can conmunicate with an individual on there level. If this lady did not want that child it would not be.
More pre-school puppy poop from the MSM |
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Palin is a tough cookie. It is a great pick based on the straw man comments of animal girl and John Roberts of CNN. Libs be prepared for a landslide...again. |
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A lady by name of Margaret Thatcher was trivialized by opposing British politicos for "lacking foreign policy experience."
I'd call her time as British Prime Minister a rousing success. A lot of "Doubting Thomases" had to eat humble pie as Mrs. Thatcher showed the world "what for."
And now, the Democrats are trying to trivialize Sarah Palin any way they can. This tells me that her presence on the scene scares the heck out of them. Order up some humble pie for those loving leftists, history does repeat itself. |
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Come on. Not worthy of reporting on Townhall.
Crap like this is not worthy of reporting. True, the left loons will say stupid things, like this ridiculous attack. Why dignify it by acknowledging it is worthy of discussion.
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Ever hear of a breast pump?
Moron. |
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before you open your mouth again. Sarah Pawlin is fair game, she is the Republican VP nominee. To be an overnight expert on a baby with downs syndrome is despicable. Your master would be rightfully indignant were someone to use his two daughters as political fodder. The "Leftist Party of America" with fools such as you will continue to show how little regard they have for Americans. Go back home to Canada. You only obtained American Citizenship after 9/11. You kept your Canadian citizenship. A good thing since you might need an escape route with your mouth overloading your a%&! |
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On Campbell Brown he noted how composed and comfortable she was in front of the crowd and equated it her formerly being a beauty queen! |
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Isn't this the same group that has hired James "drag a hundred dollar bill" Carvel as an analyst? |
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Yes it is worthy of reporting: John Roberts questioned her mother hood, not her ability or experience. I doubt if Senater Obama would do that or codone it.
Thank goodness she isn"t my wife I would be really angry. This kind of personal attacks is wrong.
I usually do not post any comments, but this has me all fired- up.
If I want PUPPY POOP I will get a puppy
MSM=miserable-stupid- minions.
You liberal intellectuals can edit my spelling if you can read.
GOOD NIGHT HILLARY and goodbye |
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No doubt if she were a liberal who aborted her downs syndrome baby, he would not be questioning her ability to serve. In fact, he would see it as a resume enhancement, as would all liberals. |
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That a mother's first responsibility was to her children. So is a father's. And that the decision of whether the mother, or the father for that matter, should work outside the home or stay at home to raise the children is a decision for the mother and father alone. |
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appear to have taken the high road with Sarah Pawlin, She is the Republican VP nominee and is fair game. I have no problems with that. I strongly suggest they call off their dogs regards her children, especially the baby. If they don't then their own children may become political fodder.
I quote "Cry Havoc, let slip the dogs of war" The question is does Obama/Bidden want their dachshunds to go up against Rottweillers. Keep your dogs away from the children !
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I suffer from minimal cerebral palsy... as a child, I was in therapy four days a week. Physical therapy (2x a week), occupational therapy, and speech therapy.
My doctor (in the 1980's) opened a clinic for children with down syndrome. I volunteered to help look after children, giving parents desperate time-off ... respite care. I know exactly what John Roberts is talking about. And it is, in my mind, a very valid question.
Could this all be a ploy ... a while after the election, Sarah resigns as VP... and McCain gets a free walk on appointing her successor.
Could this happen? Knowing McCain as I do, IMO, YES it could happen, with 97.5% probability.
Take that to the bank.
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Just when I thought John Roberts was the biggest loon around, animalgirl had to wade in. How dare anyone judge what Sarah Palin is doing.
I am sure she thought long and in depth about this, and I am sure she discussed it with her husband. Any person who decides that a woman should not have a challenging job just because she has a small child needs to examine his or her own biases.
I have not heard anyone criticize Obama for running for president even though he has young daughters. No amount of rationalizing will do. I am sure people will say--but, they are not infants, they are not developmentally disabled, they are not fill in the blank. It does not matter.
Sarah is willing to sacrifice for the good of the country. I think she will make a wonderful Vice President, and I am glad she is ours! |
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Per animalgirl: "I know I don't mean to be judgmental..."
You just were. What? Mothers can't bond with their babies and raise them right if they bottlefeed pumped breastmilk or formula? I hate to break it to you, but as an RN who's worked in OB/GYN and pediatrics, I've also seen breastfeeding moms who could care less about engaging with their infants during the feeding process. And not all women can breastfeed for a sustained period of time, which I'm sure you're aware of. It would be wonderful if more moms had the opportunity you did, but many simply can't afford to take the 6 months to a year off from work to breastfeed ideally. In addition, I've known/worked with many professional women who do a great job of raising special needs children. All of them have to work to pay the medical bills. They're making sacrifices too.
Instead of criticizing Gov. Palin about how she chooses to feed her children - by choosing bottles and/or formula, and yes, by choosing how she will provide for her children financially - how about working to make sure that choosing to be a stay-at-home mom vs. a working mom doesn't have to be a difficult choice? How about making sure that we don't leave that responsibility up to government and work instead as informed citizens partnering with the public/private sectors for everyone's benefit? Don't you think Gov. Palin's campaign would provide a fantastic opportunity for her to champion that cause?
Who are we to say she can't do it? I think I'd put more faith in a woman who's been able to raise 5 lovely kids, stayed happily married to her high school sweetheart, cleaned up the corrupt political machine that was the state of Alaska, and just got selected as the first female VP nominee of the Republican Party.
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In fact, CNN should just merge with MSNBC. And while at it, the hatemongers at Daily Kos should all move to Russia where they can all follow Putin's lead that America started the conflict in Georgia. |
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I listened to an interview done with Palin shortly after the birth of her last child and the first thing the writer noticed was the baby swing hanging in the corner behind Palin's desk.
Also, as noted here, she has a husband whose work allows him to take care of the kids.
That said, wow, what a bad pick! |
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...A WOMAN'S PLACE is in the home. |
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WELL ::: Obvious:
Obama / democrats would murder a disabled child at the moment of birth:
GO LAY DOWN BY YOUR DISH
YOU evil democrats know exactly everything about everyone because you make it all up:
IMAGINE::: you already know that Sarah would neglect her disabled child
ONLY because NEGLECT of responsibilities is a way of life for democrats
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My amazing son, Mark ("Howie") is now ALMOST 4 months old. He is the most amazing entity in the entire world. I must also say that my wife are a PROUDLY TRADITIONAL family. By conscious choice. I work. She stays home, and works too. Her job is Howie.
That said, I can not BELIEVE you would say what you just said about Sarah and her family. I simply can not believe it. There are literally MILLIONS of families out there who do not care well for their infants or children (as I social worker, I met many of them on a regular basis, sorry to say). And you would DARE try to lump this woman and her family in with them? You don't even know them. You don't know their circumstances. You don't know any thing about her. You just slander her. I have questions about her situation, too. But I won't slander her. You really should be more fair. |
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Just UNREAL, their bias. What was most amusing to see was that finally (FINALLY!) David Gergen absolutely lost it. That man has been buttoned sooooo tight, for so long, struggling to keep his leftist self under wraps (well, at least semi-under wraps). Tonight, the brilliance of the Palin pick did the trip! He took off the gloves and threw away ALL pretense. I haven't seen Davey get worked up---ever. Well, he was worked up tonight! About that bad, bad choide: Sarah Palin. "She sucks". You know the drill.
Aaahhh, the comfortable feeling of having just gained a few free minutes in a busy life. You see, I'll never, ever, ever watch another show with Gergen on it again......that should save me 5 or 10 minutes a month!! :) |
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You know your comments were so stupid, why shouldn't a woman have the right to pursue a career of her choice, baby or no baby.
nursing every 3 hours, umm your milk must not be any good if the child is eatting that much. I had three children they only ate every 3 hours when they were new born. by the time they were 4 month old yeah they could hold their heads up its call allowing the child to be alone to explore and learn. If you are holding your children that much at that age you are doing nothing for that child but teaching it to be a lazy person that wants everyone to do for him/her. If my oldest one was walking at 8 months old should I have held her back because she was growing up to fast and might have needed to be held more. Just like your other post about birth control, It would appear that you should have used it before and saved them children you have from a life of an ignorant mother. |
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She has a newborn with down's syndrome and she is campaigning for VP? Remember when Elizabeth and John Edwards campaigned while she received treatment for her cancer and the criticism was very pointed from the Republican Party about her health and John's ability to stay focused as a President with a very sick wife. Are we now going to cheer this woman on while she neglects her needy infant? This is really quite insane.
I'm afraid Senator McCain is coming off as unhinged and desperate here. He's got me back on the fence, I'm sorry to say. I don't feel I can trust his judgement - am I alone here? |
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you seem to be forgetting that the Palin's baby has Down's Syndrome and needs her mother more than most. Are you suggesting Sarah hire a nanny to care for this special need's child? While we concern ourselves with the life of the fetus, we also must remember that life once he/she is a member of this society - and the responsibilities we must accept in bringing that life into the world.
Palin's got a duty to her special needs child, as well as the family - just like Edwards has a duty to his ailing wife and their family, especially now that he's hurt them all with his affair. To not realize this point makes our positions on family values and pro-life rendered moot, even cynical. |
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Yours is a double standard we need to avoid here. Sarah has a Down's Syndrome baby, not an infant with normal needs. While her compassion is touching and the fact that she chose to have this baby says volumes about her character, she is running into a major campaign cycle and possible second in command of our country and that makes me wonder how serious she is about the care of her fragile infant and the rest of her clan. It also makes me wonder about the ambition over family values angle. This will be problematic for our Party, you can count on it.
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Yes you are alone in your concerns. I don't even believe you are real. Only a troll would try and come on a website like this and throw around accusations about Edwards. Did he run for president or something? Maybe he did and I guess since you were not around you think he was such a big concern that we even talked about him any no less his wife's cancer. I tell you what is a big concern. The obvious concern trolls on every website trying to fake some kind of troubling concern people should have over McCain's pick of Palin. That combined with the panicked attacks on places like HuffPo and Daily Kos are confirmation that dems are unhinged by this and trying to get out in front of it. Do you think all your celebrity buddies with several nannies spend ebery moment with their kids. This woman has the whole GOP to take care of that child while she is campaining. Quit trying to fake some wierd scenario of neglect. |
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I see you wish to continue the Democratic Party's long history of sticking its nose where it doesn't belong.
I'm just amazed at the gall of these people that think that they have the ability and the necessary facts to make decisions for someone else! You have absolutely no clue what the precise details are of Palin's current situation, and yet you sit back like some all-knowing sage, and presume to be able to make better decisions than she and her family can.
It is absolutely sickening to me that our country is full of people like you, cloverleaf! The sad thing is that most of you don't even realize how delusional you are and how much damage you do to our country by forcing your judgment on people you know nothing about. |
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the talking points have hit the fax machines and e mails..and the target is a little boy with Downs Syndrome. First you want to torture and execute them and if at first you don't succeed, try again by abusing and neglecting them til they die. but NOW there's a little boy whose mother is not only a Republican but a CONSERVATIVE so your hearts start bleeding for
this poor little boy when the Downs babies are the primary targets for abortionexcutioners search and destroy mission. TWO FACED HYPOCRITES.
Be ready for it folks, this is the plan of attack and Obama, the one who refused to save
babies that were viable will make sure his
fingerprints aren't on the attacks.
Ec..ditto to your post..I chose to the same
life, mine are grown now and I've a plethora of grandchildren..in fact the youngest is 6 mos. old and I've been babysitting since he was six weeks.
That's another thing, anyone ever hear of grandparents..I've taken care of several of my
grandchildren and one, now almost 18 was a preemie with life threatening health problems.
His mother was in the Navy, my son and I had to go to our Congressman to get her out. He'd
gotten out just prior to Gulf War 1 and was Mr.Mom for this baby, and brought him home
to me, while he worked. |
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Hold up, sport. You're talking as though this Party has never stuck it's nose into the business of private individuals. Don't go there, sport, because it is a loser for the GOP. We've made gay rights part and parcel of our campaigns and won on opposing their right to join in marriage. We've also been pretty intrusive in determining what a woman chooses to do with her body as Pro-lifers - an issue I admit that I'm not on board with. I may be a Conservative, but I don't agree with all my Party stands for. But I do know this fact - our Party has had its nose stuck deeply in the business of others easily as much as our opponents have, so let's not kid ourselves, shall we? |
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Not granting special rights is not the same as trying to make decisions for someone else.
Every man in this country has the right to marry. Every woman in this country has the right to marry.
Woman should not have a right to murder a growing child - whether that child is inside their body or out.
Trying to equate a conservative telling a woman that she can't kill a baby is not equivalent to a liberal telling someone what they can/can't do with their career.
There are things that the (current) GOP stands for that I disagree with as well. I think that the government messes up most everything that they touch. |
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Don't kid yourself, this site spent a great deal of time concerning itself about John Edwards' wife Elizabeth when he was a serious contender last year. In fact, I know that the fear was he would be the hardest to win against of all the primary candidates - and it was true, until his affair became public.
If we are going to throw stones then we had better make sure we don't live in glass houses is all I'm saying. John McCain just did that very thing when he slammed the Obama campaign for his inexperience, and then chose himself a very inexperienced running mate. We are the laughing stock, I'll have you know - and in the end, I agree with the mockery.
Why are you so angry at me? I am not the enemy here. You and others here tonight make the Party seem panicked and unhinged. It's kind of unnerving. |
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So why doesn't a man have the right to marry a man? And why is this our business? Is this not "sticking our noses" into a personal matter, because in the end, who is this couple hurting? I don't agree with social conservatism as it seems geared to just what you claim is so offensive in the Sarah Palin case, which is overt personal intrusion. In her case, she MAY be running the country some day, or at least helping to juggle the many pressing issues in our country right now - so her fitness to serve IS our concern. Her dedication to a needy infant can impact - and in my humble opinion - SHOULD impact her ability to focus on the very important office she's be chosen to run for.
I fear this choice because on so many levels she is not up to snuff. |
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CHEERS for PALIN::::MOM
Single moms, widowed single moms, custodial moms
take care of family
hold a full time job
are soccer moms
do the shopping
pay the bills
maintain the house
ALL BY THEMSELVES and raise awesome kids:
SO DUH ! |
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McCain is running for PRESIDENT
OBAMA is running for PRESIDENT
STICK TO THE FACTS
Palin is VP candidate and has more experience than OBAMA the POTUS candidate:
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When I actively managed a large organization, my HR department said I couldn't ask any personal questions of a potential employee. I couldn't ask if a female was pregnant, thinking of becoming pregnant, who would take care of the baby while she was at work, etc. etc. etc These laws were put in place by the same liberals democrats and their sycophants in the MSM who are now wanting to ask those question of Sarah Palin.
Is this another example of the liberal concept of Don't do as I do, Do as I say? |
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Palin commands an army, called the national guard, balances payroll, destroyed corruption in her state, raised taxes on oil profiteers, has at least a 60% approval rating in Alaska, pays her personal bills, feeds her kids and still raised 4 kids and managed to have another birth while a councilperson becoming mayor becoming governor.
Roberts is incapable of understanding anything other than scripted thought. |
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Since when does some twit from cnn establish what is wrong or right in someones personal life especially when their closet is full of dead children?
your going to tell the american people how to live from behind the desk of a news station?
if you want to legislate become a legislator other wise shut your pie hole, and report the news.
We should legislate that the News should only have the right to report the news not legislate from the news room. |
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Let me weigh in here as an MD and point out that caring for an infant with Down Syndrome is not much different from caring for a normal newborn, unless they happen to have pressing medical needs like congenital heart disease, which can certainly happen to kids without chromosome problems. Gov. Palin has to arrange for child care no matter if her kid has an IQ of 150 or 75. This is not the real issue, as most thinking people realize. The entire left of the political spectrum has been thrown backwards by McCain's brilliant selection. They can try to criticize Palin's alleged inexperience, but contrast that with Geraldine Ferraro (two terms in Congress.) Looking back into history a bit, FDRs first VP was Henry Wallace, whom BHO would have loved because of his progressive ideas. Wallace had been (drum roll)Secretary of Agriculture. If the Left goes on the attack it will be pretty easy to accuse them of the same sexist attitudes they attribute to conservatives and against which they have passed numerous laws prohibiting discrimination, as a previous poster has pointed out. |
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is as bad as MSNBC, but twice as stupid. Today, they have singlehandedly alienated intelligent, working women, mothers, mothers of disabled children, fathers, small towns, the State of Alaska and the Republican Party.
If there were any true luck in the world, the entire media along with the majority of Congress would be swept off in the hurricane that Michael Moore so disgustingly hopes will destroy the southern US so that he can make fun of McCain eating cake some more.
Then we can start over with actual professionals and people with conscience and common sense. |
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I am a republican and I am angry! What on earth has happened to my party?
Our base was that of moral fiber and family values. As the mother of a disabled child there is NO WAY, she should abandon the needs of her infant for political gain.
Any person that thinks this is OK, and I don't care what side of the fence your on. You need to re-evaluate your comments.
If your childless and believe this to be acceptable, I can only pray to God that your babies are born healthy. Love, patience, understanding, compassion and most important these children need TIME, LOVE AND HOLDING! |
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I think that Gov Palin is a great pick for VP, she has the experience to run the Governors office and runs it well with a 80% approval rating, and with more experience then the top and bottom of the Democratic ticket,
so people who didnt look at McCain before because they might think that McCain is the same as Bush will take another look at McCain/Palin, shes a talanted Politician,
and Palin can do the job,
McCain ran the Navy,and ran it well,
Palin ran the Governors office,and ran it well,
all Obama and Biden can do is,
run their mouths about change,
McCain/Palin this is real [change] you can count on. |
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I suspect that you're no more a Republican than Rosie O'Donnell. As a CURRENT Governor, Sarah Palin has had to deal with being an Executive in the state of Alaska -- dealing with decisions that a Governor has to do -- all the while, being the mother of an infant. With her high -- 80% approval ratings, I don't think being a new mother (again) has hurt her -- even though her child is one with special needs. In fact, the argument CAN be made that the VP position has LESS responsibility than being the Governor of a state. So, put a sock in your -- I suspect -- fake outrage.
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Hah! Good point! When Edwards decided to run even though his wife had cancer, the right was all over him for neglecting his family. Now, suddenly, the party of intrusion into family life has discovered a right to privacy.
I also remember when Jane Swift, governor of Massachusetts, gave birth to twins. The right-wing commentators were ALL OVER her for neglecting her children. Guess all that's changed.
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I am glad to see there are a few on the right who still value motherhood.
I am a liberal, I freely admit it. But one of the things that I thought the right always got right was 1) it's insistence that men really are different than women, even though the law should still treat them equally, of course and 2) the value placed on motherhood and a focus on putting the needs of especially the smallest of children above the selfish pursuits of parents.
That's all I thought the right had right.And now they've abandoned it. I hope not permanently. Us moms who HAVE decided to put the interests of our children above our own need some support now and again! |
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I agree with you wholeheartedly. This aspect of Sarah Palin troubles me as much if not more than her lack of experience in all matters that are important in America today.
I cannot get my mind wrapped around a VP whose ambition is greater than her will to care for a Down's Syndrome infant, and like I said before - she will be up for that 3 am call with her baby, but which will she choose to attend to?
Animalgrl is right in that one of the best aspects of our Party has been it's focus on family values. I'm all over that. This choice throws those values under the bus. And yes, you are right, animalgrl and Teresa, a woman IS different than a man when it comes down to parenting a child. While that woman is quite capable of equal ambition and smarts as a man, a mother is, or should be in my humble opinion, focused on her children, especially when they are at their most vulnerable.
This choice of VP is smart and capable in Alaska, but not in the world arena. She has an special needs infant. She has an ongoing investigation against her abuse of her office's influence. These all add up to BIG TROUBLE in November. I'm sorry, but it is true. |
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I am sorry but I must agree, regardless of my political affiliation. I am a 56 year old mother of 2 who worked a full time job while raising my children. While I am a great multi tasker and have been told my friends/colleagues that I am the organizational queen, but can attest that between caring for my home, family, work, volunteering, being involved in the community, there have been times when I felt getting two minutes in the bathroom alone was like going to a spa for the weekend. I have personal experience as well with a friend who has an 8 yr old Downs child and know the strains of trying to keep things together while devoting the much needed/required time to her child. I also recall the controversy that surrounded John Edwards when he chose to run for political office again with his wife having a terminal condition. He was criticized for not being there for her. I am here to say that unless this lady is "Wonder Woman", there is no way that something in her life will not suffer and I greatly fear it will be her children, which should be her first commitment..... |
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As a mother of a Downe syndrome child I can tell you that she is needed by the baby. My Downe child began Early Intervention when he was only one week out of the hospital. The Early Intervention involves occupational and speech therapists with the mom at least twice a week and continues intensively for two years. I suppose one could argue she has abdicated this responsibility to the father and that may be ok but makes her "traditional values" and "hocky mom" persona at the least questionable. What is undeniable is she is next in line to be President if something happens to an old and diseased McCain. Her trips to the hocky field, hunting, fishing, and running for beauty queen does not translate to talking to Putin. |
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Hitlarous. Would it matter if she just gave birth to a healthy baby who didn't have downs? Or is it that you lib NAGS are just ticked off because she had him in the first place? I know somewhere close the dark lord Algore is busy trying to figure out this childs carbon footprint to guilt trip any woman who would dare allow a baby with downs to be born.
All this proves that when a GOP candidate's backround is under examination by the MSM double standards exist without any boundrys of decency.
I have all the respect in the world for a woman who can do what she has done for the state of Alaska and for her family.
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Cloverleaf, Animalgirl, Teresa,
Normally, I would agree with you about the importance of moms being with their children as much as possible. But I also believe Dads should be there for their children. And I'm just wondering, but:
Would you have the same critcism for all our vets who left behind young families with no one to provide for them when they gave their lives to defend our country's freedom?
Sure, if they had considered their children's needs ahead of their own, they would have chosen to stay and parent their children instead of going off to war, right?
Some of them never even met their children because they were so concerned with their "careers", right? Is that how you look at it?
Sarah isn't trying to be VP of some corporation and make more money. She is trying to ensure the future of our country, and the future of her own children and your children as well.
I'll bet when Trig grows up, he will be proud of his mom for fighting to save the lives of thousands of children like him who are aborted every year in this country. In the article I cited in my previous post, a young DS girl was speaking to a group of doctors trying to convince them of her quality of life so that they would stop advising moms to abort DS babies.
It's called sacrifice for your country and for others, and I'll bet Sarah Palin's kids understand it, even if you three and the rest of the "Me first" crowd can't even comprehend. |
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job with our first and stay home with the later kids (and breastfeed) I would agree with those critics that it will be diffcult.
But not impossible.
Let's face fact that the Vice President job, while critically important for one function, is pretty much what you want to make it for others. For the first few months, maybe the first year, Sarah Palin need not have an overwhelming schedule. She can be kept in the loop, up to speed on developments in the executive office, and still be a mom. Granted she will have a buzy schedule during the campaign, but that is for the next sixty days. That can be mitigated by bringing her son, pumping breast milk (ah memories of those days when the freezer was full of the stuff), and of course the campaign can provide staff (hence the reason Angelina Jolie can have those kids and still look great).
Plus if her husband is willing to step up and curtail commerical fishing for a while--she should be fine. |
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LOOK EVERYONE. MSNBC AND SOME NEW MEDIA WILL PLAY THE SEXIAM CARD. ONLY WAY YOU GUYS CAN FIGHT, SHOW TO ALL THE WOMEN HOW MEN HATE WOMEN IN A POWERFULL POSITION. WE ALL KNOW HILLARY IS MORE QUILIFY TO BE PRESIDENT THAN OBAMA. BUT MSNBC LOVE OBAMA. YOU NEED TO REMIND ALL THE WOMEN WHAT HAPPEN TO HILLARY AND HOW MEDIA TREATED HER. |
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As a patriot who loves my country above my party. I am ashamed to say that I am a republican today. That we can honestly say we support a vice presidential candidate that has NO EXPERIENCE to deal with the likes of Putin and Pakistan is frightening, not just for me, my children and grandchildren, but should be for every American.
Is this what elections have become? Theatrics and oneupmanship? We no longer care to elect what is best for America as a whole? Shame, Shame! |
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During Palin's acceptance speech did anyone notice who was holding the baby?That's right ,one of the daughters.It's been my observation that solid families usually rally around the weakest member which only draws the family closer and makes it stronger.I feel sorry for all you naysayers that have never experienced this. |
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1. Since when does not doing a horrible thing make one a hero? I won't put a star on Palin's forehead because she did not abort her son - she is not a hero for that, but merely human. The alternative is despicable. We've never congratulated other candidates - male or female - for not aborting their children. So let's give that a rest.
2. Palin is choosing a demanding full-time career over being a full-time mom. She made that choice long ago, and is now intensifying it. I don't believe in SuperWomen, even though if there is such a thing, Palin looks the part. But as far as I know, there are still only 24 hours to each day and she's choosing to spend a great deal of time away from her children, one who needs a mommy more than most. Period.
3. As the mom of a beautiful DS daughter, please don't try to tell me that caring for a child with DS is not more demanding than normal children. There are more issues, doctor's appointments, surgeries, therapies than you can ever imagine. but more important than that, these children need patient, loving moms and dads who are devoted to making sure they reach every milestone, every goal. It takes a lot of time. It's a job that should not be pawned off onto a babysitter, nanny or day care. No one else has the same intuition for their child as a parent - and these kids need more of that than normal kids. They need moms who are tuned into them to dicipher which path is the best one to take next. It's hard to explain, but you need to be tuned in to your child every single day, especially because communication is a big obstacle.
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I have to say that I am nearly speechless about the attacks on Palin in this thread. Sarah has a husband, and I suspect he is very involved in the lives of his children.
Are you all implying that he won't be going to Washington? Are you thinking he won't be there to make sure his child receives the nurturing he needs? Are you saying that Sarah is going to be swamped 24/7 and won't be able to provide for his physical and emotional needs? That is what it sounds like to me.
I want to know why you are not putting the same focus on Obama's parental duties. I suspect it is because you truly believe the woman is supposed to be the one to rear the children. You do not believe that a man is as vitally important, or that he can be just as wonderful a parent as a mother. With all of your support of "non-traditional" families, I guess I am just surprised to see proof that it is all talk. Well, alright, I am not really surprised because I knew it was all talk all along. I am just glad it is being exposed for all to see. |
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Sarah Palin is simply not going to be there for so many of the ordinary and the special moments in her child's life. The little things and the big things that happen every day - she will simply miss much of it. It's pure joy to take care of my daughter. I wouldn't ever, ever miss a single day of it. In fact, I never have. It's been worth every minute.
Sarah Palin is a capable woman indeed. I mean, she's the beauty queen who can practically kill a moose with her bare hands! But let's not kid ourselves about the fact that she has a new baby who needs a full-time mom, and she is choosing not to be there. Everyone in her family is accomodating her life-style choice, she is primary and her family is secondary. I'm sorry, but to my mind, that is selfish and foolish.
It may be the right political season for Palin, but it certainly is not the right season family-wise to make her career number one in her life. That's just the way it is, like it or not.
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I think babies need full-time moms. Dads are great, there's no doubt about it. I'm sure Palin's husband is a wonderful dad. But no one takes the place of mom in a babie's heart. She's choosing to put her career first, and her baby second. There is no other way to look at it. |
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...forgot she's MARRIED. Yes, Roberts its a real live family, the kind you read about. You know, the kind that conservatives are talking about all the time. See, its nice to have a complete and strong family to take care of each other. I think he's just dumbfounded, she didn't abort AND she's not a single mom?
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Yesterday, the GOP scored a touchdown. But at what price? I thought our party valued qualifications and substance over identity. I'm all for winning, but not at this price.
All we heard yesterday was how "hot" Palin is, how she can hunt, shoot, fish, run, what she eats for breakfast, that she was a beauty queen and a point guard. She is the equivalent of Obama in the celebrity department. McCain's been making fun of him for that, and now chooses his own celebrity to one-up the dems. Granted, she is at least right on most of the issues.
How much did we really hear of her political record? Not much. She took on big oil! Well the truth of that is that she imposed the biggest ever tax on them that they claim makes it harder to drill and refine oil. She has little political acheivements or history.
She is not prepared to be CIC or president if necessary. We needed a serious choice in VP, not a superficial one. |
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If you are sincere about "our" party do some research Palin's record is public knowledge.She's a winner by all accounts,she does have experience and integrity what more do you want?Unless you are not who you say you are. |
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There are plenty of other ways to look at it. Your cynical and you dismiss the rest of the family, including the father, way to easily. Many families don't have the same luxuries as you and they're not doomed like you say. I have a hard time believing that you never missed a day...or a minute...or whatever. According to your self righteous rant here, if you use the toilet without your child present your choosing your bladder over that child. There is no other way to look at it. Your emotions are getting the best of you here and you sound hyper critical. They will all pitch in because thats what families do and they will be quite fine. |
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First off, Anne, I agree with you most of the time, but I have a different take on Sarah Palin. We can respectfully disagree, but I just thought I would tell you what I was thinking.
She has shown herself to be tough-minded, and she is willing to stand strong with her beliefs (she vetoes wasteful spending, stands up against interest groups, and takes on the corrupt). I think she would be able to stand up to Putin when needed. She seems to be that no-nonsense person that we always wished would run for president instead of the same old politicians.
PC, are you saying that the Vice-President has no time away from his/her duties? Come on, be honest, what has Dick Cheney really done for the past two terms? Has he been totally unable to spend time with his family? I think we are losing perspective here. I believe both parents are important as well. The left thinks it is A-ok for homosexuals to adopt--those babies don't have mommies, so the left is really being hypocritical if they harp on her neglecting her child.
Someone in the thread mentioned that after McCain is elected, she could resign, and then he could appoint whomever he wanted. Review your civics--who gets to approve a VP appointment? What happens if they drag their feet and McCain would die without a VP? Just some things for you to think about.
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the garbage coming through in these posts. I was a full time mother, but Sarah Palin has a husband who stays home and three older daughters. The mere fact that in this day and age that she would be criticized for bringing a disabled child into this world and then not being a full time Mom is mind boggling. That child is being loved, cherished and has been given the greatest gift of all...LIFE. How dare you criticize this woman.
As for experience....What experience does any of the men running have? Being a senator is simply casting votes. It is not leading or taking responsibility for ANYTHING. A woman who has stood up to corrupt politicians of her own party, who demanded that the oil and gas companies give back more to the state of Alaska, and who had a child knowing that he would have downs syndrome is a woman who could handle anything.
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I have been disappointed in the coverage of Sen. McCain's choice of Sarah Palin as his VP by CNN and MSNBC. Why has the issue become her son who happens to have Down Syndrome? Is this evidence of peoples continued prejudice about people with disabilities and toward their families?
My daughter who happens to have Down Syndrome is now 30 years old. For those who think Sarah Palin won't have the time to give her son I'd like to share my experience. My daughter was the easiest to care for of my children, was the least demanding as an infant and toddler,and had the most satisfied demeanor. Due to her developmental delays we experienced the milestones of growth in all areas in slow motion so to speak. There was ample time to prepare for the next step. As in any family with other children, there is a family effort of support in caring for the youngest children. To assume that Sarah Palin won't have the time to give her new son is to say that any mother who works at any job won't have time to care properly for her child and that her family won't be involved in the effort.
I am really discusted with the attitudes I am hearing from the media and the blogs. It just tells me we as a nation have a long way to go in our attitudes about women and people who have different capabilities couched in labels.
I am now a lifelong independant voter who supported Hillary and prior to hearing about McCain's VP choice or Sarah's son had decided to vote for John McCain. The recent media coverage just strengthens my resolve!!! |
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Because she is a conservative Republican, Palin will face more scrutiny and criticism from the media than were she a liberal Democrat.
For that reason, I believe she actually goes out of her way to downplay her looks (by wearing her hair up). I don't know if you saw any of the photos of her visiting the Alaskan troops stationed in Kuait (with her hair down) on Google.
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McCain is not going to keel over and give her the rains 5 minutes into the job.
VP is not a 24/7 job.
They simply need to stay informed and let the president know their mind.
The VP may on rare occasions be needed to cast a tie breaking vote in the Senate.
The VP is generally expected to do some traveling and speaking with foreign leaders. There is nothing that says she can't invite some of those leaders to travel to her, instead of her to them.
The VP needs to be prepared to take over if something happens to the president.
They don't have to be perfectly prepared.
The VP can be tasked with other items; but, generally speaking that is all there is to it.
She will have more time to be with her Downs child as VP than she would as Governess.
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too much. I smell fear. The fact that the MSM, the Dem leaders and the Obama team are all hysterical about the selection of Palin is a good indicator that JSM hit a home run. |
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we all should have known JSM would pick a reformer. He believes that is what is most important for the U.S. and what Washington, D.C. needs most. That is why he himself chose to run. He wants to clean up government and he chose a partner who is just as serious about it as he is.
Obama still acts like he is true to his communist beliefs. If you do not thinnk Obama is a communist, then why did he tell that group in San Francisco that "religion is the opiate of the people"? Who knows where that line came from? |
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The left-leaners have largely lambasted the conservatives for having more traditional views of family dynamics. So now there is a candidate who was once a card-carrying union member, who delivered on ethics reform, who has a working relationship with her husband to see to the needs of their kids, and all they can do is call her irresponsible.
If she didn't have the (R) behind her name, she'd be their VP candidate.
I'm a pretty traditional guy. I work outside the home so my wife can handle the much tougher job of working full-time with my kids. That was something we both agreed on from before getting married.
She and her husband have an arrangement which works. She does carry Trig around quite frequently, and those who know her best (even political adversaries in Alaska) don't seem to have any problem with her work/life balance.
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What an Idiot John Roberts is! I guess to him she would be more fit if she had aborted the child. That way she would have wayyyy more less guilt, right? And I thought MSNBC was the most biased network...watch out CNN is nipping at your heels, NBC! |
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Haven't seen any of you respond to my point about Country First. If Sarah is guilty of choosing her country over her family, so is every solider who is in Iraq right now. I say she is in good company. Putting Country First requires some sacrifices, and I bet every single one of her children is incredibly proud of her for taking on this challenge, and little Trig will be proud of her too when he gets older.
On a friendlier note, PC and the other Down's Syndrome moms on this board should read Karen Kingsbury's book Just Beyond the Clouds. Awesome fiction book dealing with adults with Down's. And I think each of you is a hero for keeping and raising your babies instead of taking the easy way out and aborting them. And to whoever said that not aborting your baby doesn't make you a hero, you are wrong. When 90% of parents with Down's babies abort, and when there is social pressure to abort your baby, and when you know that it will require great sacrifice on your part to give your baby life and you choose life anyway, you are my hero! |
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The Democrats, to their credit, have not seized on this as an issue, preferring instead to point out, over and over, that McCain only met her once before asking her to be his VP. Typical superficial Democrat thinking.
Begala actually argued that Palin is too inexperienced, but Obama was experienced enough BY VIRTUE OF THE FACT THAT HE WAS NOMINATED. Bootstrapping.
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Sorry, can't resist one more...just re-read PC's post about it not being the "right season" for Palin to put her "career" first. First of all, it isn't her "career", it is service to her country. Big difference. She isn't a career politician who has always wanted to be President. From her speech yesterday it was clear that she is as surprised as anyone else that she is in the position that she is in. Attack her on her inexperience if you want to, but don't attack her for serving her country instead of staying home.
It is easy for you to say she should choose staying home over service as VP. Honestly, I kind of doubt that you, or any of us, would say "no" if we were asked to serve in that role. I know as a mom, I would love to be able to give my kids the incredible opportunities that they would have as children of the VP.
And, as a stay-at-home mom who is ardently pro-life, there is not much I would sacrifice time with my children for, but literally saving lives is one of them, and she has the opportunity to do that if she is VP and eventually Pres. I am raising my children to think of others and not just themselves. Ask not what your country can do for you... |
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.....the despicable and appalling posts regarding Sarah Palin and her family. To all those vicious condescenders, and you KNOW WHO YOU ARE.....a crude (sick) jealousy prevails. It appears you should all evaluate your own lives and families: your apparent hatred is a symptom of your own character failures, flaws/shortcomings vs. corrupt mentality.
I am ashamed of the calibre of human being that would post such contemptible trash. |
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WONDER HOW MANY MEETINGS WITH JOE BIDEN? TWO FOR SARA. HER REPUTATION PRECEDED HER. AS FOR THE BABYS NEEDS, NO DOUBT HER DAUGHTERS, DAD AND A NANNY WILL TAKE OVER. SHE CAN ALSO CONDUCT VICE PRESIDENT BUSINESS FROM A HOME OFFICE. GO SARA, MCCAIN! |
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Funny how those who like Sarah Palin write in support of her being capable to handle a job and her family, just like millions of other mothers in the world do. After all, she has held the job of a Governor, mayor and a few other things for some time now and from the looks of it, her family is doing just fine.
Those who are opposed to Sarah Palin, on the other hand, resort to criticizing and project their own inadequacies in handling the things life throws their way, onto a competent woman.
Just how much time do these criticizers waste in their lives with watching soap operas, playing computer games etc. while 'neglecting' their children who run wild? I bet Sarah has her priorities right and I for one support her whole heartedly and wish everybody had her values, work ethic, strength, intellect, and common sense. The world would be a better place!
P.S I listened to an interview she gave on energy. She knows her stuff and not once did I hear an uhm, ahh, mhh, ahh, which makes listening to Obama, off the prompter, so very painful. |
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When my daughter was born, I took everything off my plate, and I've never regretted it. I haven't ever taken a day off, left town or even left her for more than a few hours in her life. I don't want to, and I have no need to. She is 11.
I didn't say Palin's baby was not being taken care of, I said Palin is choosing her career over her child - and she is. Her responsiblilities as VP will take precedent over her children. Her family life revolves around her, and not the others. They call children with special needs that because they have SPECIAL NEEDS - above and beyond normal children. They also need a mother who will stand up and defend, protect, and fight for their right to as normal a life as possible. Sorry, it takes a little sacrifice and committment. I'm glad his father is there, but he also needs his mom.
She is choosing to miss many precious hours away from him, and her other children. Fine.
Let's just be honest about it, at least. Palin's job is her no 1 priority. Her children come 2nd.
Also, the job of VP is not a do-nothing job. Cheney is not just sitting around twiddling his thumbs evrey day. I believe that if we saw his schedule we would find him with committments and places to be every single day.
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ROFL....Is this the new tactic of the DNC. Let's go to conservative blogsites, pretend like we're conservative, and become outraged that a WOMAN have a demanding job when she has a baby with Down syndrome.
F'ing hypocrites. You claim to be progressive and allow extermination of not only fetuses but babies also all in the name of the RIGHT TO CHOOSE. I guess that right is only extended to those that mimic your platform.
What you hypocrites are ignorant of is the Governor's life situation. Try doing a little research before you slither in here to do a hatchet job on one who seems to be a good and decent person. Maybe her husband will be with the child? Hmmmm, I guess it's too easy to be sexist and demand that she be barefoot, in the kitchen.
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No one should be surprised at your attitude here.
All they have to to do is read your months of previous posts. PC wanted Romney. Nothing else would have made her happy.
But this is beyond the pale, PC is stating that a mother should not run for political office.
I am a die-hard conservative in every way.
I do think a mom's place is with her children.
But come on PC, this is a well adjusted family. They have adult and teenage children. That baby will not be neglected in any way, nay, that baby will thrive and grow and blossum before the nation's eyes and every day will be a celebration of life.
Palin has said either directly or indirectly, that there was not even a decision to be made, regardless of some prenatal test.
This is extremism on your part PC, and you should know better. I expect this junk from liberals, but not from someone who claims to be as conservative as you claim.
The dims are scared. Be prepared. They cannot let a women become VP or Pres if it is not one of them. They are the party of women and minorities, right? When the nation elects Palin, the left cannot still claim that republicans hate women.
They are scared. and they have good reason to be.
They are going to get their butt kicked by a women. Go McCain and Palin. |
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Most mothers make the best choices they can for their families. And only they know what's right for their family. Each family is different with its own dynamic. Leave the lady alone and think about how you can be a better parent yourself.
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Still no response PC, to my assertion that if our brave fighting women and men overseas followed your standards there would be no one to defend our freedom. What about Country First?
You remind me of the kids on the playground, when you ask them "How would you like it if someone hit you?" and they say, "Fine." when you responded that you would turn down the VP job. If so, you are very selfish to deny your daughter all the opportunities that would be open to her as the daughter of the VP. And you certainly aren't considering the other special needs kids in our country who would benefit from having a special needs child in such a position.
Family first is great, unless your country calls upon you. Then, if you are a loyal American, you put country first. That is what every solider in every war who has died for your freedom did. If they had put family first, before country, we wouldn't be typing this in English. |
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RCN: I am a die-hard conservative in every way.
GB: WRONGO!!!!
You are a huckabigot and Huckabee supporter. Huckabee was NO conservative, and you know it.
NO REAL conservative would have supported "Huckaphony" ((TM) Mark Levin, aka the great one).
Cheers!!!!
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There is no credibility in the least to John King's disgusting statement. None. Period.
To suggest otherwise is to blatantly state that no woman should be eligible for any full time, demanding job of any kind. Millions of women across the world are living proof that this is absolute nonsense. Palin herself is proof of it.
She gave birth while Governor and still accomplished more in the last 20 months than McCain, Obama and Biden combined. Go ahead, try to argue that point. What, exactly has Obama actually done in the past 20 months other than run for President? Anyone? For that matter, what has Obama accomplished in his entire life that could compare to the last 20 months of Palin's administration?
Want a different take? How about Biden? All you lefties have bowed in worship as you watch Biden's fluffed documentary about the loss of his wife and child. Yes, it was a tragedy. But he still managed to get ride his Amtrack train, up hill, both ways, in the snow, while it was 120 degrees outside... and raise his kids as a single dad. They turned out okay, it seems (aside from one of them being a lobbyist). So, are you suggesting that 'Scrappy' can be a senator and single dad successfully but Palin, who has the help of 4 other kids and a husband cannot? |
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I am surprised it took you guys this long to get back on your Huck bashing bandwagon.
I did and do support Huckabee.
You can't name an issue that I haven't been conservative on.
You Romney supporters should be just as happy as the rest of us with this pick.
Why aren't you?
Huh? What's that? . . . . . . .
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McCain. I never vote for communists, ie Obama. Now I have many great reasons to vote for him, but they all come down to just one name, Sarah Palin. I wish she were running for President. About time we have our own Lady Thatcher. |
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RCN: I did and do support Huckabee.
GB: But he wasn't and isn't a conservative. Just a phony.
RCN: You can't name an issue that I haven't been conservative on.
GB: Your support for Huckaphony isn't conservative!!!
RCN: You Romney supporters should be just as happy as the rest of us with this pick.
GB: Palin was my #2. So I am very happy. She doesn't appear to be the bigot that Huckaphony is.
RCN: Why aren't you?
GB: I am. I just wish we knew a little more about her. That will be solved with time. From all appearances she is a rock solid conservative (unlike you).
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Ever hear of a breast pump? |
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Why so bitter?
You on a personal campaign or something?
There are several million others like myself who split the conservative vote right. all of them were not conservative. eh? oh wait, they were all bigots, again, why would you still be fighting Huckabee? As the Joker would say, "why so serious?"
Congratulations to John McCain, who won the republican nomination, and who nominated the first woman with a serious chance to become VP.
Congratulations to Mitt Romney and Mike Huckabee who finished in a virtual tie for second and will both be important voices for conservatism and republicans in the next several years.
Congratulations to the Dim ocrats who nominated the 2 most liberal people in the senate, the most liberal ticket in history.
McCain/Palin 2008, the next President and Vice President of the United States. |
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How can you talk about Palin, who is running for VICE PRESIDENT having no experience when she has 16 years of service in Alaska, vs Obama's 3 years as a Senator in which he has spent the last 2 campaigning around the country as if he were a Rock Star. Look at her record, and don't listen to the liberal news Media. And...I suppose you think Obamessiah has enough experience to be the PRESIENTIAL!?!?!? Geez, get your head out of the Dem toilet. |
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As a Romney supporter, I was expecting a likely chance for him to be picked as McCain's VP, but, I'm thrilled with the selection of Palin, too. Watching her give her first national speech yesterday, moved me to tears!! She's got the right stuff! |
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It amazes me that you just can not let go of the Huckabee bashing. I fear that you are scarred for life, having been so afraid for so long that he would be the veep nomination. What a pity. A mind is a terrible thing to waste. Breathe deeply now, and just let it go. |
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You're still going to vote for amnesty and cap and trade.
Cheers!
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Are Gunlock and VA Pat the same person????
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How wonderful to listen to all the foolish fodder over Gov Palin after all she has at least ran some part of government which is way more then any of the other canidates also she accomplished more in 1 1/2 years as gov then obama has in his whole career, but once again the media and the dems want everyone to take their take on life and facts and ignore the truth even if it smackes you in the face. I think that the rep party should put a billboard up next to the one of mccain and bush in st paul and have obama with wright , ayres and ask who has the more trust worthy friends and one with Palin and her " record" and obamas with his "record" and ask who do you really believe can bring results . |
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people what foolishness, its easy , they are running for the exectutive branch of our gov, and three have spent their career in the legislative branch , only one has EVER served as cheif exectutive and thats gov palin , case closed. why do we all seem to let the loons of this world define anything for us, please all support mccain and palin to our fullest for the alternative is truely scarry |
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....DOUBLE STANDARD here, and, it is NOT a man vs. woman struggle. From these condescending posts, it is the (hypocritical) liberal women vs. this very accomplished, conservative woman: Sarah Palin. These disingenuous, liberal women, who have always RAVAGED anyone who would DARE suggest that THEY COULD NOT achieve, as well as, raise a family, NOW espouse (whining incessantly) the very convenient adoption of "primal tenets" for the conservative woman. This tenet, per these disparaging, duplicitous, liberal female drones, states that women who are family oriented MUST STAY IN THE HOME: family vs. career is traif.
Please....do you think you are debating with a gaggle of imbeciles here??? Take your blatant hypocrisy and visit sites that espouse kindred ideological insincerity. There are tons available.
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...well, you are going to vote for "COMMUNISM", the "Marxist" system in which capitalism is abolished. Also, our Constitution, as we know it, will be s-l-o-w-l-y diminished. Obama, as a POTUS nominee, is currently attempting to deny "We the People" the "First Amendment of the US Constitution": freedom of speech, freedom of the press, etc. Does the name "Kurtz" ring a bell??? Patriot.....???? Hmmm....definition per Ecarta Dictionary: "a proud supporter or defender of his or her country and its way of life"......Sorry, I don't think sooooooo!!!! |
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You liberals are a hoot, coming in here pretending to be conservative mothers who are opposed to Governor Palin pursuing the office of Vice President. You really have no boundaries or sense of civility or decency.
It's really not anyone's business what arrangements the Palin's have made to care for their children. They seem to be an amazing couple, supporting each other's dreams and ambitions.
But it is entertaining reading the liberal idea of what a conservative mother would say. Not very accurate, but humorous. |
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Little known fact: Sarah Palin got Tom Brady pregnant, and then left him.
Little known fact: Sarah Palin makes Andrew Sullivan regret some key life choices.
Little Known Fact: Sarah Palin’s presence in the lower 48 means the Arctic ice cap can finally return.
Global Warming doesn’t kill polar bears. Sarah Palin does - usually with her bare hands.
Sarah Palin’s hotness is the largest single contributor to melting polar ice caps.
The Northern Lights are really just the reflection from Sarah Palin’s eyes.
Sarah Palin fishes salmon by convincing them it’s in their interest to jump into the boat.
Sarah Palin once guided Santa’s sleigh through an Alaskan blizzard with the light from her smile.
Little Known Fact: Sarah Palin is allowed first dibs on Alaskan wolfpack kills.
Sarah Palin’s brain is three times the size of Joe Biden’s. It’s science.
http://www.palinfacts.com/?paged=3
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I missed the saddleback town hall meeting and I am watching it now, I want to say that obama is a man in this that I can see wanting to work for and with, but john mccain is a man I would want to be. Barrack is a man to inspire anyone and yet I will vote for the man everyone should asspire to be more like. |
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I wondered why john mccain would define rich as 5 million or more. I guess I should have known he hadnt, that the media and barrack and the dems were again distorting and mangling the truth, barrack was even there when john said it and laughed. I seriously hope if you didnt see the saddleback program you do so and then work with all your might to elect john mccain and sarah palin in november, I cant see how anyone can listen to the true words of mccain and then hear obamas version and how false and misleading he is , he is a liar and not worthy of any office much less this high office. |
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RCN: Are Gunlock and VA Pat the same person????
GB: Of course not, you idiot! You must be relatively new at TH or you would know better.
V. Pat. and I agree on a lot of things but not everything.
We both initially supported the same candidate. If you had been visiting TH over a year ago you would know who that was.
FYI it wasn't Mitt Romney.
As it turns out, even my third choice was and is more conservative than your first one.
So much for you being a real conservative eh.
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Do you believe that all women who have a career are putting their children second? If so, that really says it all. If not, why is public service any different than any other career?
I have a career and children. My children have always come first, and they are turning out quite well thank you very much. I respect my stay-at-home mom friends, and I support those who have a family and career. When we think ourselves superior because of the choices we make, it casts a bad light upon us.
Women should have choices, and women should support other women and respect the choices that they make in regards to stay-at-home v career. You made a choice that was right for you and your family, and I applaud you for that. Governor Palin has made a different choice, and I applaud her. It is all a part of the sisterhood. |
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They claim a woman's "right to choose" and a woman's right to have a career. Then, when a woman chooses to have a baby and chooses to have a career, they're all over her. I have to ask (as I'm scratching my head) what do John Roberts et al REALLY believe in?
But putting that aside, let's look at the question and the facts. How can we believe that being VP (and even worse, running for the office) won't damage the Palin baby or the older kids?
First evidence: While Sarah was Governor and had four kids at home (I'm assuming eldest was still at home) and worked the fishing boat on weekends, the Palins found time to HAVE the baby. As a father of four let me tell you, the adage is true, "the most effective birth control is having kids." Most parents I've known (wife and self included) had little or no energy at the end of the day (just getting to the end was hard enough).
It should be obvious to anyone who will actually look that Sarah Palin is one of those high-energy people the rest of us envy. Having five kids is a full-time job, and then some. Owning and operating a business will consume at least 167.5 hours/week. Being Governor is a whole lot more than a 40 hr/wk job. Sarah Palin has been doing all three, and from appearances, successfully.
You think she can't handle VP? I think that if she wants to, she can be VP (and with more accomplishment than many of her predecessors) and of course take care of her family, and still fly home on the weekends to fish.
What I don't expect her to do is to write an autobiography; she impresses me as the type who will say, "I haven't done anything yet; maybe I could write when I retire"--and then she never retires. |
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(Saturday, August, 30, 2008 7:41 PM) (and others who posted along the same line):
So you see it too! As I have stated it before, one doesn't NEED to be an idiot to be a modern liberal, but it makes it a lot easier.
Q: What does a liberal do when s/he is confronted with fact?
A: Back into a corner and snarl.
Okay, this is a little too much in the tone liberal ranters use, so I'll say no more.
Maybe we could get back to actual facts, and arguments based on real evidence. |
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That response at the top of the column is just typical of you libs. So,um, what's the word? Oh, yeah, tolerant.
If it were Obama you would be saying what courage it took to follow his ambitions. Hypocrits, the lot of you. And, yes,what makes Palin any different than the Dad going off to war for his Country? There is none, except for the left lives by the motto: Do as I say (and pretend to tolerate), not as I do unless it works for me...)
The left never fails to amuse with it's blazing hypocricy. Palin, 2012!! |
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I spent the day on blogs all over the net, to see how sarah palin's nomination was seen, and what amazed me is that the same people who yelled so loud at someone asking princess clinton about bills dirty buiness with an intern ,feel no shame in smearing a 16 yr old to attack her mothers nomination for vp, it seems pitiful and yet shows why an idiot like keith oberman can actually hold a job on tv.Its evident by reading all the insane and foolish statements people make that he does have a hugh pool to talk to for I maintain that its not that he is an idiot that bothers me but that he believes we all are as well and it seems he my be right alot are. I am so disheartened by the level of lies obama and others can disperse without judgement towards them for it and yet can accuse others and actually sell it to so many.I can easily show out and out lies by obama and yet no one especially the dems will believe and yet flocks buy that palin's youngest is actually the 16 yr olds child , talk about insanity ruling the day.Obama has lied and mislead about mccain and yet accuses bush , mccain and all others my god is this really a country of keith oberman followers , I fear it may just be. |
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Nothing the DEMS and their liberal media colleagues do or say should suprise any of us. Still, we keep hoping they have an ounce of fairness in their bodies.
For John Roberts to even hint that Governor Palin might night have time to do both jobs--mothering and VP--is an insult to his own principles. Aren't liberals the ones who claim women can do it all and should do it all? Aren't they the ones who want federlaized daycares? Aren't they the ones who applaud women like Hillary for "being such a great mom" when she worked full-time during her daughter's childhood?
These people are the most two-faced hyporcites you'll ever meet. Not only that, what a SEXIST question!!! Their nerve is just appalling! |
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So Sarah Palin has a child with Down Syndrome and John Roberts has openly asserted that the baby might be neglected. That is total and complete nonsense.
Thousands of parents with Down Syndrome Children get up and go to work each and everyday. I do not See Why Mrs. Palin should be an exception. What about her husband, can he not take care of his child??? I myself am the father of a Down Syndrome child. I stayed home with my daughter so my wife could continue with the career that she loved. I am sorry but I do not see why the Palins cannot make that same choice. This is an opportunity of a lifetime for her.
As for John Roberts, I read that he became a citizen not too long ago. Any way we can get his citizenship revoked??? I will never watch CNN again (sorry but that includes Glenn Beck).
I am also going to forward this to all of the Down Syndrome associations that I am involved in so they know about this.
Shame on John Roberts and Shame on CNN |
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These smears of Gov. Palin and her children are the most despicable I have ever seen.
When will Obama stand up like a man and condemn them for what they are? |
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I am appalled that Governor Palin has accepted the nomination of VP. She has five kids. My mother sacrificed everything for me so that me and my brothers and sisters could have the love, social skills and other life tools that we needed to go out into the world. ??She is a mother of a "newborn" child with Down's syndrome! As a parent and even more as a mother I would want to know that the person who was in the office of the White House made sacrifices for their children. I believe that this is outright neglect. If she was any ordinary white, black, or Latino woman with five kids, one of whom was 17 and pregnant, she was be morally and ethically judged and ridiculed. But, because she is white, rich, privileged and a Republican, she is being praised and viewed as someone whom American woman can "relate to". ??In America we often praise women for their moral and fundamental judgments, for their incredible sacrifices for the their children, and to do what Palin is doing (accepting the nomination) demoralizes what all women should have, undying and unconditional love for their children. If her lack of focus on her family has ultimately resulted in an unwanted pregnancy for her under aged daughter, one might be forced to ask, what then might be in store for her disabled newborn? I believe that many Republicans often shift the responsibility of raising their children to others (i.e. grandparents, family members, nanny's) not because they have to sacrifice for them or work hard but often because they would rather keep up "appearances" than raise their children properly themselves. " Oh Ms. Minnie has the kids, she's a charming little black woman" or "Oh I sent Johnny up to Boarding School, he's out of control." ??All this, not to mention, is she really prepared to step in and be the next President of the United States? I think that the answer is obvious. |
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My isnt it wonderful that the party that touts womans rights equality and freedom of choice tells us how wrong this family is. Its so sad that our country is so full of idiots that cant seem to see past their rumps and realize that dems are liars and users and think one thing and only one thing, that its their way or no way from reed and polosi who have taken the congress hostage to their own beliefs with no care for ours or even their fellow senators and congressmen. and the social worker who take your children because they think they know better then you,well look at what they are doing and tell me how this is good.I think your mom my have failed you ,and since you feel you have the right to judge that gives me the right to judge you.If your mom was so great why cant you see the error in your statement,it alone proves you were no taught empathy for others only that the world revolves aroud you and you alone and that gives you the right to decide everyone elses life choices and beliefs, to me it sounds like your mom raised a true democrate but forgot to raise a decent honest and empithic person and that is truely sad. |
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you say we reps shift the work of our shildren to grandparents ect. And I say what would you choose for us to join you and sent all the work to the abortion clinics and foster homes you have permated our country with, no thank you. I am a grandparent and I love my grandchildren and I help my sons with those children whenever I am asked or allowed, and alway will so no thank you to your dem. values and opinions I dont want them I dont need them and I dont believe in them and I served in the army and went to viet nam I earned my rights and protected yours and you will never talk me inot your world my rights mean too much to me , your an idiot plain and simple and idiot. |
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The same questions were bandied about relative to John Edwards running when his wife was struggling with her illness. If she's a heartbeat away from the presidency, it's a fair question.
Or, should we have asked to see all the speeches he preacher gave? This BS about Country First is really funny from a party who puts religious fundamentalism first at the peril of the country.
They would have called Jesus, who provided universal healthcare, empathy for criminals, and strict separation of church and state, a secular liberal. |
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lets take a quick score of what the dems. truely feel, clinton is a racest,women really shouldnt be even working , and chioce is only to kill not to raise, oh and lies are only lies when they sat they are, and only ny chicago and calif count, everyone else is from a small town and cant possible have any sense at all or ability to lead anything but their local pta.did I miss anything, please feel free to add to this list. |
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I think it's an obvious and fair question to discuss the fact that she is the mother of 5 children, one infant with special needs and now a teen, also with special need of her parental guidance. I think Sarah might be a good in her current position, however we are discussing placing her a heartbeat away from the Presidency. There will be very tough issues on the table for her to discuss and work through everyday. No one can do it all. She is a human with an obligation first to her family. Let her raise her children with her husband, first and then attempt leadership on the world stage. Everyone has to be honest about this. It takes two parents to raise a family under normal circumstances! |
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Lets at least be truthful if at all possible, and admit that if the republican party were ro follow the advice and council on vetting v/p candidates as is being put out at every blog and every tv interview , that we can be very confident that mccains running mate would be adolf hitler, and that if they truely could pick the canidate for both parties as they seem to believe they should that barrack would be on both tickets with biden, or at least it would be hillary one one and barrack on the other.They dont believe we should have a choice of our own but rather only choose from those approved by them.I am voting for mccain and palin 1,000% . |
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