Those are some strong observations, Mr Hewitt.
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The "center-right" does not love Palin. The far right does. There's a reason why the GOP ticket has been slipping for the past few weeks; people are figuring her out. |
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Sad that both debaters could not blame Congress for the sub-prime mess, only those greedy bankers. |
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Sarah did what she needed to do tonight. She looked very much at ease, while as the night grew on, Biden looked more uncomfortable. In a way, it made me think of the 1960 presidential debate between Kennedy and Nixon. Nixed refused the makeup and paid for it. Biden didn't look that bad, but as Hugh indicated, his makeup wasn't working that good. His eyes looked very droopy!
Sarah and John McCain need to stay on the offensive. |
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I was nervous but she did well, very very well. Ifill should be ashamed. I also thought that Biden was very gracious to her. |
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They did seem to like each other. They were much friendlier toward each other then Obama and McCain were. I think America wants civil discouse like this. |
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SHE STOOD HER ROUND AGAINST BIND FOR 90 MINUTES. OBAMA AHs and OHs would have lost my interest. She thinks on her feet and connected with me.
she has more experience that both OBIDEN after this as far as I am concerned :) just my humble opinion. I ADMIT TONIGHT I DRANK THE SARAH PALIN COOL AID. |
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Well for godssake, give the man a break, hes 66 years old, all politics aside
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and I love her.The polls are trending our way in no small part because of Sarah.Frank Luntzs control group said she won in a slam dunk!!! |
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She kept to generalities and wasn't able to answer Biden on a lot of important points. I got tired of hearing about Wall street coruption when we know its Congress that is to blame for the currect crisis. Missed opportunities to go after Obama.
But she didn't have a huge gaffe, so I give her a C. A+ for her close, it was great. |
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Sorry, this is why McCain's poll numbers are diving. This is more the McCain middle of the road where they will get crushed. |
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I was worried that she was gonna say something dumb, like how she could field dress a moose?
What does that have to do with the pathetic shape our country finds itself in? |
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SARAH ROCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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She held her own and poked Biden in the ribs a few times. She won this hands down, period. |
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That was it for Biden. And for the debate.
She's the one, folks.
Now talk amongst yourselves.
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Seriously, is this your first time through an election? First of all, even as Hugh said today on his show, every campaign goes up and down all the way to November. People aren't voting today, they are voting in five weeks. Moreover, if there is something we should learn from the two previous elections is that we shouldn't put our stock in polls. Sure, they can help gather opinion in certain battleground states, but I don't think the GOP ticket has been "slipping" the past few weeks. I think this will be a close race to the very end.
Even though VP debates aren't typically decisive, I think this was a big win for Palin. In general, I think Biden did well (even though he often spoke more about Biden rather than Obama). I do think that it was significant that Palin held her own to show the MSM that she IS NOT a lightweight. I think the center-right (myself included) is intelligent enough to see that Palin was an excellent choice for running-mate. |
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Whenever Palin didn't have a canned response to something, she just started talking about Alaska or "mavericks".
Epic failure. |
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Sarah did well! Joe did well! A couple a times, I didn't know what Sarah was talking about at all; a couple of times, Joe was too personal about his experience.
Why was there no real rebuttal allowed in the debate?
Loved the ending: nice setting, nice connection between the candidates.
Joe persuaded me that it's time for Barack Obama! |
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definition of American people and the winner tonight is clearly Sarah Palin. All Biden did was show that he was knowledgeable and everyone already knew that. Palin appealed to the people!!! She did an excellent job while he only did an average job. They finally let Sarah be Sarah! |
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What got me is the blame that they give to Bush and he's not running again. Sure Bush made a few mistakes in 8 years, but what president hasn't especially Bill Clinton. Joe just plain out lied that this financial crisis is Bush's fault. In 2003 and 2005 Bush and the Republicans were calling for some regulations on Fannie and Freddie and the Democrats were fighting them all the way and even denied that any thing would go wrong or is wrong to fear, we have viedeo on this. Now look where we are at. |
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"People aren't voting today"
Yeah, they are. 33 states allow one form of early voting or another, and some of them have already started. Ohio, for instance. |
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...but those teeth were a wonder to behold. Attach that man to Santa's sleigh, give Rudolph the year off.
On the other side of the stage though, Sarah was looking HOT! I asked my wife if Sarah was "too hot to be vp"? Think I'm sleeping on the couch tonight.
This debate pretty much sealed the deal for the first woman VPOTUS. |
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I understood Biden to say that the office of VP is defined only in Art II and only has the power to break a tie Senate vote.
But my copy of the Constitution says in Art I sec 3 that the VP shall be President of the Senate, but shall have no vote unless they be equally divided.
I'm no constitution lawyer like Hewitt, but my reading is that this clause limits the VOTING power of the VP, but does not otherwise define the duties/powers of a President of the Senate.
But I understand that Biden just felt the need to bring up Cheney, which is red meat for the libs. |
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First of all, citing Hugh in any argument immediately defeats the point. Read his interview with Palin; he's in her camp, on her side, so obviously he's going to talk her up.
As for tonight, I thought Palin did okay at the beginning, but got absolutely clobbered on foreign policy. Her long pause, then circa-2004 answer after Biden's Iraq point really hit home that at the time the war started, she was mayor of a town of 8,500. Not a disaster for her, but she didn't do her ticket any good tonight. |
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...and it's a high fly ball to deep center field. Back goes Biden, a-way back. To the warning track, to the wall. It's high. It's deep. She's gone. In comes McCain, in comes the House, in comes the Senate, and here comes Sarah! Folks, I'll let the fans do the talking. (Pause.) The stadium is rocking. Roy Hobbs. Roy Hobbs. Roy Hobbs. |
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I wish they were both on top of the ticket - I would much rather take a risk that Biden wins than uhBama - he is going to be a disaster on the scale of Carter.
Sarah would sort out the energy crisis and economic crisis much faster that McCain - he will be foolish enough to go along with the dems on some issues |
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and as the debate wore on, Palin's fluff became more and more apparent. Like the first debate, the media and the Reeps will declare victory--and then, vox populi will assert itself after 24, 36, 48 hours.
One was a grown-up. The other is a joke. The problem isn't Palin--it is the craven operatives who would even think to put such a person within earshot of the Oval Office. What a creep. A smarmy, lying, ignorant, self-satsified creep. And you are comfortable with her within a heartbeat of the Presidency? You should be ashamed of yourselves.. |
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SARAH..looked a lot like the lady who lives down the street and discuss many of the same issues we, the mainstreet Americans discuss. I am so proud of her and she is EXACTLY what our country needs....somebody who hasn't been exposed to the poisioning of our elected officials....Biden looked very much like the victim of the overextended stay in D.C....and has consumed his portion of the poison and is attempting to spread it around..Sarah, you are the BEST thing that has happened to our country in a REALLY, REALLY, long time..YOU GO GIRL!!! |
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Palin was just great.
Palin CONTROLLED the debate. She just defined every subject - Joe was on defense the whole night - and angry too.
Palin was upbeat, but strong and resolute. Joe was mad the whole time. He also was mostly full of garbage, and SP called him on it.
What an impressive person Palin is. A lot of people right now must be wondering about the honesty and reliability of those in the media and all around them who have been dishing nothing but Palin insults for the last month.
The woman is awesome. |
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Did you see how happy she was when it was over?
Happy and very relieved. |
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"All Biden did was show that he was knowledgeable and everyone already knew that. Palin appealed to the people!!! "
The argument of Palin appealing to the people is lost on me. American Idol appeals to the people. News coverage of Anna Nicole's death appealed to the people. Just because it appeals to the people does not make it noteworthy. And the fact the Biden is knowledgeable means nothing? Do the places where you are employed use the same methods for measuring talent? |
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... doing his dangest to find those extra 7 states so he can send out ACORN to buy him a few more votes.
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HE HAD A BAD BOTOX PROBLEM. The outer brows lift up in a Catwoman manner, and the forehead doesn't move. It's called a botox facelift: a facelift without the knife. |
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concord2123 writes: The "center-right" does not love Palin. "
How would you know? |
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I wonder if those who voted early like they did in Ohio and else where will regret their voting early after hearing tonights debate and the the McCain and NObama debates. I think its a bad idea what Ohio has done to allow this early voting which gives a greater opportunity for fraud. Like those phony registrations that ACORN put forth. |
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I agree with John and Warum 76. Palin avoids slamming Obama and the Dems on Freddie and Fanny and then Biden blames it on McCain's deregulation posture.
I really, really do not get that Hugh. It's like McCain isn't really serious about "straight talk". He stood unpopular on Iraq, then did unpopular to the base on gang of 14 and immigration- is he going to be an appeaser on all things domestic? Is he going to play nice while the colleague of a domestic terrorist gets into the White House?
Yes, I think Palin did a much better job than might have been expected from MSM interviews. She would have done better if she was allowed to tell the facts. I'm tired of Dems insulting and demeaning conservatives and the conservatives/ repubs taking it. I don't want name calling in return, I want someone to point out the details of McCain's attempts to deal with Fanny and Freddy and how the Dems stood in the way- Clinton makes the point better than McCain does.
The election is just the beginning of the next 4 years. I don't want the American people stagnating under more Dem obfuscation of the truth.
If someone told me McCain was being blackmailed it would make sense. |
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Sarah says we must WIN the war. Why can't Obama or Biden say that, rather than their mantra "end the war". Its obvious they will lose the war just to end it |
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Slow Joe came across was a wonk. Palin, knew her stuff, but was easier to listen to and more engaging. In debates wonks only work for the wonk crowd.
wonk
1. a student who spends much time studying and has little or no social life; grind.
2. a stupid, boring, or unattractive person.
3. a person who studies a subject or issue in an excessively assiduous and thorough manner: a policy wonk.
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She was good; obviously not completely her natural self at all times, but something is better than nothing... And she did well enough to SWAMP the stupid Kathleen Parker-type handwringing.
Basically, a symmetry with the McCain/Obama debate:
McCain "won" the debate, but Obama did much more for what mattered, (convincing swingers that he's not a complete loon but instead is "presidential").
Biden may have "won", (or a tie), but Palin did much, much more of what she had to-- convincing swingers (and the stupid media) that she is more than a Legally Blonde affirmative-action moron.
That kind of talk is probably over. And whoever can't see her as as VP now is someone who never would have voted for her under any circumstances. |
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Even if you are democrat, you MUST admit that Sarah Palin talked WITH us, not TO us ....
That's the difference. |
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I am glad I am not the only one who thought Bidens eyes looked strange, I thought maybe he had his wrinkles removed or something. ha
Isn't it refreshing to see a woman dress like a woman, look cute and be so darn smart. It is no wonder why the liberal women hate her so much, she has looks, a family she is proud of, believes in God, stands for what she believes and lives her life to show she doesn't just talk the talk but lives her walk.
Off the subject, did anyone watch the exchange between O'Reily and Duffis Barney. It was great, he should be kicked out of office, he protected Fannie and Freddie and now he wants to continue in the same position. Unbelieveable! |
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John McCain needs to let Sarah fly and soar like an Eagle. She needs to do Hugh Hewitt show agaon, Laur Ingraham, sean Hannity and Rush and O'Reilly, you get thepicture. Why they kept her back I have no idea, after seeing how she performed tonight. Maybe John McCain was afraid of being upstaged by her. She will only get better. John McCain better call for the charge himself ASAP. |
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Substance has to be defined. Biden knew information but that doesn't translate to being right. He has consistently been in the wrong on foreign policy. This doesn't make him a maven. I do admit he had a good debate.
Palin was very limited on some questions but, in my truly honest opinion, she was still on the correct side. And it's okay right now...she'll grow on the job because, like Giuliani said, we have the experience in the right order. She had a great debate. More than anything else, she connected with average Americans AND put into question the MSM and their bloodthirsty raid on her and Alaska. |
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....carry this campaign for McCain?
God, i hope so. Palin/Jindal '12.
Saracuda kicked butt tonight.
If all you expected democrat talking points, then Obiden did fine.
Gwen Ifill did a professional job considering 1/2 of her questions were directed at the "enemy".
Correction to concord...90% of the right loves her, center to far. The dems problem is, a very large chunk of those who are just left of center like her too.
Therein lies the biggest difference between right & left...Nobody who is right of center would ever vote for b. hussein. There is also a sizeable chunk of democrats who won't vote for him either. Whether or not they'll vote for McCain won't be known til election day. Safe bet says they do.
With all the information available about b. hussein, there are 2 types of people who support him...
1. People who are only voting for him because of skin color...aka: racists.
2. idiots
The looney left (b. hussein's base) isn't large...just loud. |
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It was very clear that the media planted a helper for Biden. He continued to state the party line without the knowledge of the details. If it was not for the moderator helping Biden it was very one sided. Now that this is out of the way "Unleash the pitbulls (with lipstick) of war" it is time for McCain to attack, act like a leader and stop playing with the media.
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McCain must take the gloves off now. If he didn’t have the stomach or juevos to assign blame for Fannie and Freddie and reduce criticism of Wall Street greed; he should have never sought the nomination. Huckabee or Romney would eat the messiah’s lunch. He must differentiate himself from the most merciful on tax policy more succinctly. He needs to speak to real reform of the tax code, business taxes, capital gains taxes, and the estate tax. He must speak to a reduction in the size and mass of government.
Obama is vulnerable on every one of these issues! Punch, counterpunch, and kick skinny behind! |
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Yvonne says:
Off the subject, did anyone watch the exchange between O'Reily and Duffis Barney. It was great, he should be kicked out of office, he protected Fannie and Freddie and now he wants to continue in the same position. Unbelieveable!
After showing the video on the House hearing on regulating Fannie and Freddie. Barney is saying no that's not me that's someone else isn't going to work. Just thing of the money the Dems got in protecting Fannie and Freddie and the American people got screwed again by the Dems. |
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Senator Biden came across very well. In fact, he struck me as being a rather genuine person.
Senator Biden did allow Governor Palin to get under his skin, which didn't help his performance.
Overall, a solid performance by both. I think Governor Palin won, though.
All that aside, Senator Biden, Senator McCain and Governor Palin all come across a serious people who also know how to smile.
However, I think that Senator Obama suffers in comparison, because these three make him look like the lightweight he is. |
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"The argument of Palin appealing to the people is lost on me. American Idol appeals to the people. News coverage of Anna Nicole's death appealed to the people. Just because it appeals to the people does not make it noteworthy. And the fact the Biden is knowledgeable means nothing? Do the places where you are employed use the same methods for measuring talent? "
1. It is the People who cast votes.
2. If "places where people are employed" sell products or services to the People, you bet you bippy that's how they measure talent!
I assume you must be a government bureaucrat, who believes we should be ruled by an elite (so as to not shake things up too much). Because We the People are what, too stupid? |
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Just a little over an hour into the debate, SloJoe referred to the Bosnia People as "Bosniacs."
What's up with THAT? |
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Two nice people, personable; one ready to be VP.
Big loser tonight..McCain. |
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jbird said:
With all the information available about b. hussein, there are 2 types of people who support him...
1. People who are only voting for him because of skin color...aka: racists.
2. idiots
The looney left (b. hussein's base) isn't large...just loud.
Let me add a third(3)Dumb, like Hugh say's. They deny the facts or twist them. |
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Both Hugh and Palin are ignorant beyond belief.
Not getting his name right and then misquoting him so confidently!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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"Barrcuda" looked into the camera and into the eyes of America all through the debate. She was vibrant and relaxed throughout. Energy level at max to the end.
SloJoe, for most of the time, looked at the moderator.
And, by the way, why did his eyes look as though he just awoke? He looked weird. |
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==Big loser tonight..McCain. ==
You'd like to think so. |
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I mistake, but it made me laugh. |
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Hugh.
Ol' Slow Biden did well at times. But Sarah kicked his ever-lovin' arse.
I repent for calling her a "ditz" and an "empty suit."
I only hope that, if she is ever advanced to real power, she'll stand to the right of Reagan, where I suspect her political sympathies really lie.
Nite, folks. And congrats, GOP. |
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I really like Sarah. I am tepid when it comes to John McCain...but that's my ticket. The McCain campaign needs to get her out in front for the next 4-1/2 weeks and let her be who she is. This woman is like the first really nice day of spring in Wisconsin when you open all windows, and let some fresh air in the house.
Biden held his ground on several areas, but that is as well as he did. He still had to have Gwen Ifill save him by moving on to another question when the door was open for Sarah to drive the stake through Bidens house. I really wish she would have connected the blame of Fanny and Freddy to the Dems, instead of lambasting Wallstreet. Leave Wallstreet alone. |
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...now, THAT'S an oxymoron.
"A smarmy, lying, ignorant, self-satsified creep."
Emphasis on moron.
Already suffering PDS?
Palin/Jindal '12 |
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But, no, the McCain team will not allow the Sarahacuda to campaign alone so as to cover those battleground states. So, at least allow her on Rush, Hannity, Prager, Hewitt et al. She will energize the campaign and get out the valid not the felonious vote that the Dems are doing now in Ohio and other early voting states. Biden looked a bit sad but is a better man than Obama. Sarah looked like a confident American who could and would stand up for America and not dis it as the lefties continually do on this forum and in the varied Dem campaigns. Joe tried to make the GOP team, Bush 3. It is getting old and did not work tonight. McCain must take advantage of that and hit the Dems very hard on their socialist pacifist themes as our Sarah did. |
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So what if she didn't go after Raines, ACORN, et al? That's McCain's job--and he'd better get off the stick and go for it.
Sarah did exactly what she had to do: support the ticket. She was spunky, feisty, knowledgeable, articulate, and forceful--yet also utterly charming, disarming, real, and authentic. She connects with her audience like nobody's business. Did you see those winks? LOL!
Sarah for president! I'm figuring that a vote for McCain '08 is a way to facilitate Sarah 2012.
And for all the sexist flunkies who insisted she was some sort of dumb vapid Barbie doll: Go stick it in your ear, sexist peegs! |
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Samuel Johnson (you DO know who HE is, right Ed, no wikipeeking now) said: "If one spent 5 minutes with that man Burke taking shelter from the rain, you would come away convinced you had been talking to the greatest man in the World."
Obviously Sammy wasn't talking about you.
Let's see that's a mispelling and a misquote as opposed to having Pres.FDR on TV in 29!?
Stupid is as Stupid does, eddie.
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An ordinary girl with my kind of outspoken truth. I believe her, she spoke freely and confidently on her views and represented McCain so well that only the Liberal media will discount her. Biden spoke of his old man telling him when you get knocked down get back up...he got knocked down. She whipped him because he was misstating soooooooooo many things. He was misstating John McCain's record on many votes and I believe he knew it. Sarah was great in her correcting his misspeaking. She may have misspoke on a General's name, but she was right in his stance. I will vote McCain just because of Sarah and I hope she will influence McCain. |
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"Get down here and ENGAGE dammmit!" Iceman in Top Gun
But Maverick won't. Morris on Oh? Really? slammed him. He caved to his Senate Gang 14 buds (and I agree, I think the Livingston Files have a string on The MacChurian Candidate) on the Bail Out and refused, again, to partner with the House Conservatives--he BLEW a sure hand to win the election BEING "Maverick" the ANTI-Conservative RINO! Mack the Knife stabs yet again!
Rush, Sean, Lavin, Coulter, and other Conservatives of Leadership and a bit of cash should HIRE Morris to run the last 30 days of Palin's Campaign and her 012 bid.
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Yeah, I caught that too: I think Palin should have tied this financial mess to the senate/house(realizing McCain's one of them); specifically to Dodd/Obama/Frank et al. Pointing out:
1. Obama's association w/ top Fannie big-wigs
2. Dodd/Obama's campaign contributions
3. tie 'Ol Joe's voting record to the do nothing congress of the last 2 years
4. Finish up by showing that 'Ol Joe is an insider player, pure partisan.
Finish him off with the comments he made in the primaries about Obama.
Would have like to have seen her get a little rough with Senator Biden. Wish there was a 'next time'. Maybe McCain can start hitting next week? |
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but she is clearly a fast learner, she's honest, she's real, she's much much more knowlegable on energy than Biden ever will be and she will have time to learn as VP. because John Mc Cain's mother is 95 and healty as a horse and has a very sharp mind, and John does too, and the important this is that he isn't going to die of a heart attack one week after taking office putting her into the position of Potus, so there will be plenty of time for her to grow into the position.
she is every bit as much a maverick as Mc Cain or more so and will be a great vice president. Washington needs new blood, new ideas, and someone who wants what's best for American, not themsleves; and that's Sarah Palin. |
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Blake:> ...because these three make him look like the lightweight he is.
Now that really is an interesting point. Put all four in a room*, and play the Sesame Street game "One of these things is not like the Others". I wonder if there's an ad there...
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==She was spunky, feisty, knowledgeable, articulate, and forceful--yet also utterly charming, disarming, real, and authentic. She connects with her audience like nobody's business. ==
You nail it!
==Did you see those winks? ==
SHE. IS. GREAT! She's more like us than "them." She stood up to the old pro Biden. |
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My very best barometer for regular-unpolitical folks is my wife. Sarah has had her on board from the Day-1 announcement. But, until tonight, Missus Neo has never paid a moment's attention to Biden. She doesn't know about his history of gaffes and talky-bloviating windage. She is an acute observer, though. I watched on my computer in our study, while she watched on the Big Screen HD in the living room, so that she could keep up with the Dodgers-Cubbies game too.
She was angered and 'turned off' by Biden's patronizing smirkyness from the start. She loved Sarah from, "Can I call you Joe?" to the end. She was negatively fascinated by his squinty, plastic snip surguried eyes and his weird non-moving botoxed forehead. She declared Joe, "just another smarmy politician," and Sarah as,"one of us. A REAL person that I can connect with."
That's the Big Boss's verdict. Works for me!!
I refuse to listen to any of the Talking Heads tonight. Back to baseball...Speaking of which: Out of the Park HOMERUN, Sarrraaahhhhhhh!!! |
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she just clipped your wings, didn't she, darlin', and in your dreams is she ever going to "step down". Have fun in that "exile" you so fondly talk about, too. From now on, stick to what you know, touting your own, SELF RIGHTEOUSNESS. Incidentally, read up on what the Lord thinks of it, "filthy rags", is how he describes it. For a real clear understanding of it, look up, "rags" in the Greek, that's your self righteousness, my self righteousness, everybody's self righteousness, and it ain't pretty. So from here on out, please spare us your "filthy rags", and get use to calling Sarah, Madam Vice President. |
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You are absolutely right!
McCain needs to get in there and swing for the fences. The heck with his buddies in the Senate. They want him defeated and he wants to get along.
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I told everyone that it would be a 1-3 knockout with Sarah kicking Biden in the gut. And she delivered the "2" as well.
On a the lighter side, I couldn't help but get a bit emotional during Biden's remarks about knowing whether or not your child will make it out all right (referring to his child ). As the camera's moved to Sarah, she began to talk with a smile. My initial thoughts were, isnt she being a bit apathetic? My second thought was, this could have been a planned display of emotional hype, to gain approval for being in touch with the people.
Sorry, but I must run with my first initial thought. Anyway, Good Job girl! Now go get John fired up! |
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You need to grab another drink, your thoughts will clear up! |
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McClellan was the George Casey of the Civil War - he was the first in a line of failed Union Generals that Lincoln went through until he got the bulldog (sans lipstick) Grant to finish off the South.
So what is more important the Freudian slip of McClellan vs McKiernan or the out and out mis -characterization of McKiernan's position:
http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/10/01/mideast/military.php
She mispoke and messed up a name, Biden flat out lied --- again! |
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Sorry babe! You be wrong! |
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to say one thing: Tonight you are Stand-Up.
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Somebody wanna tell us why foreign policy "expert" Biden called the Bosnian People "Bosniacs"? |
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Gov Palin tried to be herself tonight.
Sen Biden tried not to be himself tonight.
Both succeeded at these goals, but that led to the Palin victory. Genuine trumps fraudulent every time. |
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I thought Palin more than exceeded expectations: she connects extremely well with average Americans (if any of them were watching!?), and she demonstrates a calm, confident demeanor that is certainly appealing.
However, I agree with many before me: McCain & Palin both need to take the gloves off now. For too long, the Republicans have capitulated to the proposition by the MSM and the Dems of the "failed policies of George Bush." Just which policies of Bush have failed? The policies that most people attribute failure to have much greater blame to be laid at the feet of Congress (mainly Dems, but also Republicans): failure to protect us against mismanagement at Freddie and Fannie, runaway govt spending proposed and enacted by Congress, etc.
McCain and Palin (not to mention the Republicans in Congress) need to capitalize on the unfavorable ratings of Congress much more than those of Bush. The unfaves against Bush are easily answered by success with The Surge, and by unfettered (and unfortunately un-vetoed) spending legislation in Congress.
Stop allowing the MSM and the Dems get away with unanswered allegations of failure on the part of Bush. The American people still have a soft spot in their hearts for the man who stood with the rescuers at Ground Zero -- they want to be patriotic and support him. But they've been inundated with accusations of his administration's failure with regard to the current economic situations, when in fact much more blame is due the likes of Frank, Dodd, etc.
I can only hope that McCain has been holding back on attacks against the Dems in Congress because he doesn't want to wreck any impending rescue plan. But next week, he's got to go after them. And, ideally, he should press the idea that it wasn't the lack of regulations that go us here, it was BAD regulations. More regulations are not the panacea to this crisis. (But perhaps I'm just dreaming that he'll take that tact ....)
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==McCain needs to get in there and swing for the fences. The heck with his buddies in the Senate. They want him defeated and he wants to get along.==
Palin schooled Senator McCain this evening, and I hope, as you do, that he comes out swingin', starting tomorrow.
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I can hear the phone call now. John McCain calling George McGovern:
"George, how do I get out of this? I can't just dump her." |
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OK, for those of you who say, she's been Mcanized and center-right doesn't love her...and whatever else you have to say negatively about this woman. She blew Biden's socks off and you know it! The whole nation was waiting to see her in this debate and hoping she'd slip up. But, you know what, she didn't. Yes she was well rehearsed, who wouldn't be. I listened to Karl Rove who had it right when he said Biden made 10 false statements and they were FALSE! Both weren't perfect in their pronounciations, but they are both human.
For the staunch conservatives out there. You had better get with it. There is no other person running for president that is fully what you want them to be, and McCain, love him or not, he's our man. WE NEED TO STICK TOGETHER AND VOTE THIS MAN IN THE WHITE HOUSE...HE'S THE ONLY ONE WE HAVE! |
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Quite amiable, electric, touched hearts.
She is warm-hearted, irradiating, affable, most important she is not a politician.
Thank God, she is not Biden.
Biden was cunning, crafty, very deceptive, evading facts. |
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Good grief! That stuff goes into your brain. Look what happened to Barbara Boxer and Nancy Pelosi. |
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Sarah, really hit one out of the park, read the "patriotic liberal", as if there is such a thing, comment, that's all one need know, to know that she did exceedingly, well! Slow joe, 35 years in Washington, nothing to show for it, nothing. Unlike the left, calling for Sarah to "step down", we cons do not want slow joe to step down, no no, slow joe, you the man, slow joe.
Yeah, pathetic one, we are just so ashamed of ourselves. With each passing thread, you become funnier and funnier, have you thought of maybe a "stand up" act? Lots of comedy clubs out there, you seem to be a natural. Why not make money, since your making a fool of yourself, anyway! |
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Biden looked bad because of very bad and (frankly distracting) botox treatment, causing his forehead to look frozen and his lateral eyebrows unnaturally peaked. Very poor job of botox rx! Besides that he was, as usual, bluster and phoniness as contrasted with Palin's 'genuineness'! She did fine. |
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She is not running for President but Vice President. As I've stated before, the same as Laura, John's mom is 95 very healthy and tonight I bet John's mommy would have beat Joey. If John has his mothers genes' and I think he probably does, he'll live to maybe run for 2 terms. Lord willing of course!
BE BLESSED AND THANK YOU GOODNIGHT ALL
CJR
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The "insane woman's" doctor, speaking to the nurse, 150CC of thorazine, and continue to restrain her. |
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What everyone seems to forget is how poorly Obama performed in the democratic debates. I remember thinking how much more presidential Biden appeared at the time than Obama and how much more knowledgeable and even reasonable he was on matters of foreign affairs. Apparently, Obama won the nomination regardless of Biden's far greater experience, so there must be other qualities than experience the American people are looking for in a leader. People who say Biden won this debate because of his show of experience are being disingenuous.
Having said that, I will say that Gov. Palin more than held her own in tonight's debate. No, of course, she isn't as conversant with the intricacies of foreign affairs as Biden is. Why would she be? Do you think Biden could stand up and give a speech about Alaskan politics? If knowledge about a subject is what makes a candidate worthy of the presidency and the vice presidency, we would look to academics and historians to lead us...which we don't.
Gov. Palin has something that can't be learned by reading one book or a hundred books. She has faith in her country and the American people. She believes, like Reagan, that Americans are good people, with the right ideas, and by virtue of that goodness and those ideas we will ultimately succeed in our endeavors, both at home and abroad.
This is a kind of enthusiasm and hope that few academics proclaim because it lacks complexity and qualifications, shades of gray...
Unlike the world-weary Biden, Palin stood out tonight, not a shade of gray, but bright and full of hope and determination. |
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"Somebody wanna tell us why foreign policy "expert" Biden called the Bosnian People "Bosniacs"?"
Because it's the proper term. Rex Stout's Nero Wolfe used it in several of the novels decades ago. Look it up.
(He himself -- the fictional character, not the author -- was from Montenegro.) |
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cheap vacuosity are darn near the only gutter dwellers here, so far. The other Lefties must be hiding, despondent and drug addled.
Oh, I'm luving this! |
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Munck...
Leave Biden to use a term that is so obscurely clever most Americans think he made a gaffe. Bosnian is perfectly acceptable for us average folk. |
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No question. The polls will have McCain Palin in the lead by Saturday. Just Watch. The polls will totally flip. Finally, we're on top!!!! Yes! |
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Sarah Palin has 5 weeks on the national stage.
Biden has 36 years.
Both did well.
I'll take raw talent over time-on-the-team every time.
WERE BACK IN BLACK.
SHOW UP ON ELECTION DAY -- CANCEL SOME HIPPIE'S VOTE!!!! |
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Palin was speaking to the right-wing base; the points you perceive her as making were nothing but affirmations of the beliefs you already hold. Biden was much more substantive, and will have done significant good in convincing people of the solidity of the Obama/Biden ticket.
Palin did no harm, but also didn't get McCain/Palin any votes that they otherwise wouldn't have gotten. Biden almost certainly moved votes from undecided into the Democratic column. |
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RNC shatters monthly fundraising record
The RNC raised nearly $66 million in September, breaking its all-time record.
The next best month for the RNC was in October of 2000, when they raised $43 million.
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Bobby you and Sloe Joe are wrong. "Bosniac" is self-appelation by Bosnian Muslims to identify their "ethnic group."
I is not a term that Bosnian Serbs or Croats would consider appropriate. In fact, in many parts of Bosnia, those are fightin' words.
I'm sure when Sloe Joe "hung out" in Bosnia it was with his friends from the MSM in a Sarjevo Cafe, where the appelation "Bosniac" would be pretty popular. |
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Why would a sane person need to remind themselves they were VERY sane? Why would a very sane person need to point out the obvious?
I'm getting a picture from your self-description here that you feel a need to reassure yourself and us about your rationality and grip on reality.
Query? Why would Mack the Knife WANT to dump the ONLY person in the Race with actual EXPERIENCE in REFORM!? Why would he want to dump the Only Candidate with an 80% SUCCESS rate in actually PRODUCING REFORMED GOVERNMENT (which remember is the THEME of the ELECTION–not just change, but change for the better–REFORM!)?
The 3 Loser Stooges from the FAILED WORST CONGRESS IN HISTORY in the Race have a 9% Success Experience. They’re batting .090!
That means Palin has got AN ORDER OF MAGNITUDE GREATER SUCCESS EXPERIENCE IN ACTUAL GOVERNING REFORM than anyone else in the Race!
Why in the WORLD would he want to dump THAT!? Why the commiqrs WISH it now....
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"Leave Biden to use a term that is so obscurely clever most Americans think he made a gaffe."
Obscure? It's in common usage, was used constantly in the news during the Bosnian War. My wife and I drove through the area in the early 80's, heard the word used all the time by local English-speakers.
The only Americans who will think it's a gaffe are the ignorant ones ... you know, right-wingers. |
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Is it just me or has B Husein Obama become irelevent? I have hardly heard his name mentioned tonite on TV nor have I seen it in the blogs much. However I have heard McCain, Palin, and Biden's name mentioned and seen their names all over the blogs. This could suggest that he really is an empty suit and totally unqualified. |
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Has anyone commented yet about what I thought was Biden's big error? Biden said Obama asked him to help him make every decision, to be in the same room as him all the time. Did he really say that? Does he have any idea the implications of that statement? Or was that just a throw-away line from our loveable Joe, the human gaffe machine? As he said to Palin, I'll take him at his word.
Who's inexperienced now between Palin (a VP candidate for 5 weeks) and Obama (a Presidential candidate for 1-2 years)?
In the MccCain/Palin administration, McCain has asked Palin to head up areas like energy because of her strong experience. On the other hand, if Obama were president, Biden would need to whisper in Obama's ear to make every decision. Nothing like converting two boys in the "do-nothing Congress" to turn it into a "can't do Presidency"
What's next -- Obama and Biden leaving the Oval Office, holding hands like little schoolgirls, and skipping to the restroom? Geez... |
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I agree if McPalin wants to make this a landslide, the tables should be reversed. Of course, Sarah will have to wait till 2012 when she can proudly defend America against Hillary.
Not saying that their not going to win, but Mac will most likely only serve for one term and then hand it over to Sarah.
BE BLESSED !
CJR
GOODNIGHT ALL |
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I think Sarah is trying hard, even if she makes no sense most of the time.
But,
tell ya a secret..
tonight was actually Joe Biden's turn to come before the voters, after all the attention paid to Obama, Palin, and ranting and raving McCain.
He was presidential and personally appealing!
Barack and Joe, for sure! |
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'"Bosniac" is self-appelation by Bosnian Muslims to identify their "ethnic group."'
Read the CIA World Fact Book. |
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After Palin shot back at the Biden's "Just Today......Afghanistan Surge" issue, he dropped his head, wobbled, and was stunned, followed by a few moments of dead silence!!!
Then the emotional crying "Hillary Style" (Understand it's about family) but.....
She nailed the old DC insider!
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" she makes no sense most of the time."
Please...Stop making yourself look bad.
Biden had a great debate. Sarah had a great debate. Both were perfectly understandable. You may not like what you heard, but it made sense to the rest of the country. |
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Palin is attractive to average Americans who aren't, like most of us on this thread, political junkies :) A knockout. |
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While I feel Sarah did great I do believe that she did great as much from low expectations as from content. In short, she succeded the same as Obama did against McCain. Not many expected her to to do well. In the sense that she relieved some doubts, she was the clear winner. She is no longer a drag on the McCain ticket but again a benefit. Now, if John will turn her loose to speaks to the people, he might just pull this thing out of the fire. |
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Well Hugh, I think we have a new nick name for say it ain't so slow Joe Biden: Hezbollah Joe!
Oh, and Hezbollah Joe that country to the north is Lebanon, and guess what? Hezbollah is fully funded subsidiary of Syria--kinda undermines democracy don't cha think? Velvet revolution, democracy, peace in our time (just for Matthews the great apologist for appeasement--by the way someone did mention the Sudetenland to him, yes--being a scholar and all?
Anyway, Hezbollah Joe apparently believes the Syria backed group can bring, “peace in our time.” |
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I beleive it is evident Joes wasted his money on the Botox treatments. Some of the camera angles used on him made him look old and haggard. Sarah looked young and ready to continue the campaign.
Old Joe should have used Nacy Pelosi's or Joan River's doctor.
With that, Sarah won the debate, a little fact checking on some of Biden's statements will make that clear over time.
Good job Sarah! |
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I noticed Biden's commnent too. It gave you the feeling that Obama needs a nursemaid to make decisions. I am sure Obama's campaign handlers are somewhat like that at the moment. McCain is McCain, love or hate him. Obama is whatever his handlers assign him to be... today. |
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Frank Luntz focus group reaction! Watch it yourself.
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I was not at all surprised by Gov.Palin's performance tonight. I know she would do well, though everyone around me were loosing hope. It was obvious that on the problem with her prime time interviews was that she was being TOLD how to act, what to say, what not to say, how many times to blink, etc. It was painful for me to watch these interviews knowing that she was NOT being herself. Well, look out cynics and angry liberal woman because Sarah will not stand to be held back!!! I am proud tonight and can't keep the smile off my face. I just hope that McCain can learn something from Sarah and do what he preached during his Nominee speech and FIGHT, FIGHT, FIGHT!
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Has Barney Frank and Chris Dodd stepped down yet? I like Bill O'Reilly, no he didin't quite go that far, but I am! would like to know? |
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first of all, strange and second, your comment makes "no sense." Please educate yourself on the FACTS before voting for my family's future. Biden stated about 10 things that were false. Please, for us Americans who really care, educate yourself on the facts before making such silly comments. |
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I think they both had a great showing, but Gov. Palin really connected with the people.
I do think she missed a great opportunity to hit one out of the park. After Sen. Biden kept going on and on about failed Bush Administration policies she should have looked over, winked at the camera, turned to Sen. Biden and said "Joe, in case you missed something, George Bush is not running for President, John McCain is". |
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Of course, Republican partisans think Palin won. You all thought McCain won the first debate too.
Guess what? Just like the previous debate, the voters- particularly the undecideds- disagree.
CBS polled 473 uncommitted debate-watchers, and found that 46% say Biden won, 21% say Palin won, and 33% say it was a tie.
While both candidates saw their images improve, 98% saw Biden as "knowledgeable" after the debate, while only 66% saw Palin as knowledgeable, an admittedly high number, given what folks thought of her before tonight.
Meanwhile, CNN's poll of debate-watchers found that far more thought Biden did the best job in the debate (51%) than Palin did (36%).
And here's a really key number from CNN. While a startling 84% said Palin did better than expected, it still wasn't enough for her to clear her basic hurdle tonight: Only 46% said she's qualified to serve as president, up only four points from before the debate. And a clear majority, 53%, say she is not qualified.
Game over, folks. Absent some monumental screw-up, Obama is the next President. |
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The reason Barack Obama will be president and John McCain will not is the same reason we couldn't stand McCain from day one. McCain- Feingold etc. ad nauseum. He is and always will be the village idiot and no amount of pretending otherwise will change things. Tonight wasn't a complete wasted effort as Sarah Palin Will Be the easily the most successful president of the United States since Ronald Reagan. It's ashame we have to lose a couple of Supreme Court Judges along the way. |
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Don't you wish you VP was hot like she? |
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Ol' Joe would rather be the calling his own shots as Prez, rather than, as VP for Obama, sitting in the same room and whispering to Obama what to do for every decision.
"Behold the great Obama. Don't pay attention to the man behind the curtain..." |
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You are whistling past the grave. America isn't going to vote for an unabashed socialist, as socialism is a desiccated dead ideology that none but the most naive or corrupt adhere to. Biden represents the former and Obama the latter. |
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And how's that unfiltered capitalism treating you?
Ask Wall Street.
McCain/Palin: 4 More Years Of War and Depression! |
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Gosh, little guy, you really surprised us on here with your conclusion that you think that you are going to vote for Obama now.... Wow.... And I bet this debate decided that for you... How shallow can one person be???
You're comments are always soooo weak I have to seriously ask myself.... Why? Why do I even read your posts?
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Biden did well. Good for him.
Sarah will be elected president in 4 years, no matter what the outcome of this election. |
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And I thought that Palin did very well on style tonight.... But substance was a "C" if I am to be objective...
She is no more ready to be VP than Obama is ready to be President.... At least there was no "Deer in the Headlights" moments... and neither one had to "get back to the moderator" with answers to her questions.
How could we do this to ourselves? How can we push through these two guys as "finalists" for the Presidency?? We had a wide open field, no incumbents and no party favorites and both parties did an absolute terrible job in nominating these guys...
What a world, what a world.... or I should say, COUNTRY! Geeze People! |
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Yes, tonight
The world wishes, Gov. Sarah Palin was their VP.
In few years, she will be America's Dynmite, electrifying Iron lady.
Sadly, with her growing popularity with the heartland, their will be increase of vicious attack from the liberal left, quite unheard of.
Media's bias and love affair with Obama, will be imbalanced. Stories will constantly be taken out of context favoring Obama.
Whatever happens this November, Gov. Palin will be part of the Republican Conservative Movement, with a strong, bright prospect. |
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From the more visceral point of view. Sure I would have a beer with Joe, but I would never ever vote for him, just like a few friends of mine.
Sarah? Yea, I would love to have a beer with her, but truth to tell I would hike the John Muir trail to meet her, and I bet when I was done with the Muir trail, she'd love having a beer with me. |
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Sarah was Great! She definently Won the debate! On another note... It is unbelievable to me that the American people are so caught up in themselves, which is allowing the seduction of their intellect and souls. It should only take one to view the videos of those young children being manipulated and used as propaganda for the Obama/Biden candinency.(www.michaelmedved.com) If Mr. Obama was all that he precribes to be, he would have spoken out against the use of children in this way. Mr. Biden, also, would have demanded the same. These two are only opportunist. They only care about power and prestige. They do not seek to govern and protect, but rather DECEIVE and RULE. The use of these videos should prove that to all rational thinking people. America needs to wake up and snap out of their seduction. I hope Mrs. Palin's apparent genuine demeanor will continue to gain strength and become strong enough to wake up the majority of our electorate. If not, America will get what it deserves.
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When will we actually have a Presidential Candidate or, for that matter, a VP candidate who knows something about the Economy??? When?
When will we eventually stop pinning blame on American Corporations (and "Wall Street")for this country's Economic Woes? When will we realize that these are the entities that provide our jobs and are the very "foundation" of our Economy? We destroy them or chase them off, how do we buy our food and pay for our cars and houses? Since when did we point to the middle class and claim that they are responsible for generating jobs and serving as the nations economic base?
On the Local and State level we court American Corporations.... We offer them incentives in the form of state and local tax breaks if we can get them to build facilities and provide employment in our communities.... On the National Level we threaten to tax the heck out of them...
We need people who understand business running this country.... Otherwise, we will subject ourselves to the absolute caos that we are no going through in Washington and with our Economy... |
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Made at least a dozen misrepresentations... or told at least a dozen lies, depending on what part of the country you are from...
I am hoping that the Media (and it is going to have to be the Conservative News Sources) will surface these tomorrow.... some of them were huge... |
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by Conservative Financial Folks to go after the Dems and Obama/Biden about several issues with Financially related matters:
1) a factual history of the regulatory collapse that ensued prior to the Fannie and Fredie fiasco.... going back to Carter's Comunity Investment legislation in 77', to Clinton's threat of inforcement,Clinton's appointment of Rains and Johnson and their subsequent involvemnet in Obama's campaign, to Obama's involvement with Acorn, to Bush's, Greenspan's and McCain's warnings in 2004 and before about Freddie and Fannie that were ignored by the Dems.
2)the fact that Biden was only 1 of 5 senators that voted against the original Alaska Pipeline citing Caribou population concerns (which has now quadrupled)...
3) the fact that Obama/Biden want to introduce $1T more dollars in spending which would mean that the Military spending would have to be reduced in order to pay for it... what a wonderful idea in view of the turmoil in the world today... |
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YOUR FIRST MISTAKE WAS TO WATCH CBS AND YOUR SECOND MISTAKE WAS TO WATCH CNN FOR ANY INFORMATION AND TO GET ANY THING EVEN CLOSE TO A NONPARTISAN VIEW. EVEN SILLY POLL NUMBERS, IN WHICH YOU QUOTED NUMBER BY NUMBER AND WORD BY WORD. WHAT ARE YOU A PUPPET OF THE LIBERAL MEDIA? MAYBE YOU SHOULD MOVE TO ANOTHER COUNTRY WHERE THE THE GOV/MEDIA TELL YOU WHAT TO DO AND RUN YOUR LIFE FOR YOU. PATHETIC PESSIMIST YOU ARE |
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...stop shouting in caps. It makes you look...uh...stupid. |
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HANG IN THERE POYMAN. IF PALIN/MCCAIN GET ELECTED YOU WILL BE PROUD AGAIN. BUT, IF OBAM/BIDEN GET ELECTED WE WILL ALL BE SCREWED AND IN A MUCH DEEPER MESS THAN THE ONE WE'RE IN NOW. NOW, I'M NOT VOTING FOR MCCAIN BECAUSE I DON'T WANT OBAMA, I'M VOTING FOR MCCAIN BECAUSE HIM ALONG WITH PALIN, I KNOW THAT WE WILL SEE A CHANGE LIKE NEVER BEFORE IN CONGRESS, WALL STREET AND MAIN STREET. REMEMBER WHAT BIDEN SAID TONIGHT ABOUT "CHANGE"? HE HASN'T CHANGED IN 30 YEARS AND WON'T START NOW. HMMMM, VERY TELLING. |
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(shhhhh...dont tell everyone, but the republicans are intentionally skewing the polls, just to mess with the democrats minds!)
muh ha ha ha ha...those evil conservatives. |
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Here are some lower case letters for you Angel66. There, I am just as smart as you now. Feel better?
Why don't you go to another blog that cares about what your view is, WHICH BY THE WAY IS DISTORTED.
please don't comment further, signing out. |
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Imagine: going to work for a "blue chip" company, showing up for only 143 days and then expecting to be promoted to "PRESIDENT" ! "CFO" ! or "CEO"! (division manager you think?)
Obama has only had 143 active days in the US Senate: A "company (country) of 300 million citizens (employees) so to speak ! ZERO "employment" experience. He was a radical activist. Like in Acorn !
One could expect to be promoted to 'assistant" manager after 143 days with the company of perhaps about 50 employees !
HAVE the citizens of this nation LOST THEIR MINDS ! What are they thinking! WHERE is the outrage?:
We are facing a very bleak future! |
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This debate was great on so many levels. Gov. Palin took major strides forward as a viable candidate for now and in the future. For those of us who pay attention - we recognize the missed opportunities to drive a dagger into the heart of the Obama/Biden ticket. I'm so sick and tired of the lack of killer instinct by the Republicans. I hate it in my soul, but I must live with it.
My biggest gripe however is the fact that the media will not point out the gross misstatements, lies, and or distortions put forward by Biden tonight. So many of our electorate are taken in by the apparent command of facts, when they are in fact - just plain wrong. Regardless of your opinion of Karl Rove, the many proved without equivacation not less than 9 points where Joe was wrong....you'll hear nothing of it in the media. This more than any other reason is why Democrats are ever elected to office. If we had a fair and free media who were more concerned about doing their job, this country would be an even more amazing place to live.
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Imagine: Obama is going to sit on Biden's lap
to get the "training" to be the CEO, CFO, President of a country of 300 million citizens !
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Curious why you *only* mention the Luntz poll (the one that showed Palin winning the debate) as a gauge of who Americans thought won the debate, when both CNN and CBS polls have this as a strong win for Biden. I understand you prefer one candidate over another, and that's fair, but why withhold easily available information? Isn't that a lie of omission?
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I am amazed that so many people can tell themselves that Palin won the debate. I can sort of understand though. You are trying to convince yourselves that the McCain campaign isn't an epic failure in progress. I understand - I've been there before. But, let's get a few things straight. First of all, Sarah Palin didn't win the debate. She avoided directly answering questions the VAST majority of the time, and instead, rattled off memorized talking points again and again with the nervousness of an actress trying to remember her lines. She didn't understand what an "Achilles' heel" is, and instead of answering the question, went on to her talking points again. She was FAR from calm. She was nervous, and desperately looking for approval almost the entire time (one of those endearing traits that she shares with George Bush). I will admit that she did better than I imagined she would, but the bar was set so low that anything short of her lighting her hair on fire, urinating on herself and screaming obscenities was bound to be a good night for her.
Undecided voters easily recognized Palin's obvious avoidance of most questions, and the fact that all she did was recite memorized talking points. Intelligent, informed voters watched that debate, and they saw through Palin as though she were a cheap pair of pantyhose - which is actually a pretty good analogy. Like a cheap pair of pantyhose, she barely covers the ugly truth, and like a cheap pair of pantyhose, she has worn thin in less than a month.
Anyhow, have fun with your self-delusion party. =) |
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Obama has invented himself: then reinvented himself, and reinvented himself again !
Like Al Gore; invented the internet, then global warming ! then carbon credits !
Like Bill Gates, MSFT
Like the GOOGLE Kinds, Page and Brin
Like Ben Franklin:
That is so NOVEL::: “invent yourself” classic !
Then reinvent yourself again and again and the gullible “buyers” WHEW!
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Is about the cleverest retort from many of you here. So Julie, feel free to repeat it over and over.
Like Palin's scripted "unfiltered" talking points. |
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I guess it's not too funny when the shoe is on the other foot, huh?
Bless your heart... |
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I didn't write a lot of posts, and I do mean a lot, including the one here at 3:14 AM. What's going on here? |
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..in Election '08, as Hugh said, well, let's just let that statement speak for itself. Ouch. What a child. |
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Wow, classic liberal talk. It is soo easy to fool a liberal, tunnel visioned person and Obama & Biden, liberal Democrats and the liberal Media KNOW IT. Don't you get it? Read the comment after yours, by B2slim. He/she is right, Obama has invented himself then reinvented himself again and again. I'm sure he is working on coming out tomorrow reinvented yet again. Why can't you see what is going on? WHY!! If only one statement of McCain is true, that would be that Obama is DANGEROUS.
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SAY IT AIN’T SO JOE!
ONLY 14 LIES...
Joe Biden has the experience all right. His experience has taught him, apparently, that he can get away with a lie without worrying. After all, the Mainstream Media has got his back, and probably won’t check his facts, nor will they scrutinize his version of history (can anyone say Katie Couric?) …When were TV’s available, Joe? Who was president at the time of the 1929 stock market crash, Joe?…And you said it with such CONVICTION! Either Katie Couric didn’t know the facts when she interviewed you recently, or she let these facts slide. My bet is that she didn’t know her facts because otherwise she could have helped you in the same way George S. helped Obama in a recent interview regarding Obama’s gaffe about his Muslim (yeah, that’s right,Christian) religion.
Stay tuned for the test. It’s time for the Mainstream Media to strikeout the truth in their report coverage of the VP debate. Their coverage of the campaign is a test. It’s only a daily test. If it were really truthful, you would not have been instructed to turn on your radios or go to the blogs…bleeeeeeeeeeeeeep.
–Lucid Penny
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Well I am done feeding the trolls for tonight.
I gotta get ready to get the kids to school in the morning.
I'll lock the gate when I leave. Sleep tight. |
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GO TO BED ALREADY SMARTY PANTS! |
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I did NOT write so many of these posts! Including the "ahh another troll impersonation", and "oh", and "hmmmmmmmmmmm".
Those of you who know me on TH, please know I've got someone impersonating me. Guess they don't like me too much!
Great debate tonight. Sarah Palin made us proud. |
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Your male brain is malfunctioned. |
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Fortunately, the GOP's best weapon is toxic-man himself, the Husseinster.
Whether the McCain campaign is competent enough to make use of it without repeatedly shooting itself in the nether regions is another story...
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It's interesting to me that in the Obama/McCain debate, all pundits complained that McCain looked grumpy and like a mean old guy.
I am waiting to see parallel comments by pundits saying how Sarah looked refreshing and upbeat and pretty.....I believe I'm gonna be waiting for quite a while. |
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"The Luntz focus group picked up the decisive Palin win, and Luntz is predicting a move towards McCain in the polls as a result."
......and his play by play analysis of the "wishy-washy"
....Good job Governor Palin. You cariied the water for you running mate. A tall order! |
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Obama & Biden, you may believe with all your heart that you will increase middle class wages. But you will fail. You will be blindsided by your open borders policy that will flood the country with cheap labor. This excessive labor supply will lower wages for all working class people in the US, until wages are so low it becomes undesirable for illegal immigrants to come here, only then will they stop coming. You can’t drop your open borders policy because all your big cities are full of empty buildings because the way Democrats for many generations have run the big cities is so bad everyone who can out is long gone. You are hostile to the rich because they are rich. You spit on every authority and legitimate use of power. This causes high taxes, oppressive regulation, ghetto lottery lawsuits on businesses, lawlessness in the streets, and the kids form street gangs for their own minimal social order. You did not get these ideas from your Christianity; it is your “Marxism” that caused your expectation for quality of wealth. It is your “Cultural Marxism” that caused your expectation of equality of power. You confused these with Christianity since Woodstock. Stop trying to impose on all the rest of us what has been a dismal failure in all your big cities. Stop blame shifting all your problems on “the man.” Stop spinning all your “cycle of violence” lies. When is America going to figure out the Democrats are not the experts on the economy, they are the experts at losing jobs. |
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Anyone that would consider Osama/OBiden should be ashamed of themselves. Anyone with an ounce of intelligence would research this guys past and there would be no consideration. Hating W is simply not enough. "Stupid" should be printed on your shirt when you are standing on the street corner holding up the koolaid sign. Shame on you!
If this guy was white(Dennis Kucinich) you would have dismissed him as a kook along time ago. |
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Correction:
It is your “Marxism” that caused your expectation for equality of wealth. |
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Concord, The American People are Smart, and should be given the credit of being smart, Sarah opened up to All the AMerican people and let them know that she hears their voices and that their words matter. Obammi, makes our country and people seem stupid, he condemns his country and the people along with it, he thinks that he can stand up there like a goon and pull the wool over the eyes of an Intelligent country! Obammi has been in politics long enough to lie, cheat and steal from the American people. Sarah and John both will make a big difference for the real Americans in this country, they won't go around saying stupid things like, Im Black, I don't look like presidents on money, and I have a funny name? Who cares? He doesn't have an ounce of what it takes to be President of this Wonderful Country! He needs to be in venezula where people like being lied to and don't mind having a tyrant radical running their country! He slams his country at every turn! Concord, please do me a favor and go to your polls from 2004, don't forget your dear Lying Kerry was ahead all the way to election night, Guess What? Bush WON!
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From where I sit the center from the left to the right love this woman, shes untainted by Washington and that alone should get everyones attention.
You want to know the origins of this little crisis we're facing then you need to take a look at the "Community Reinvestment Act(CRA)" which was created under the Carter Administration, it was a good idea though it didn't really accomplish much. Then under the Clinton Administration they made some changes to it and thats when you needed to hold on because that opened the flood gates on all the subprime loans, but that wasn't enough for the liberals. They even started sueing banks that weren't issueing enough of them. Obama was one of the Lawyers that got in on that act, see Calvin Roberson vs Citibank 1994.
The Democrats spewing that the American Dream of owning your own home is a right and not a priviledge and the Republicans going along with it compounded the problem. McCain co-sponsored a Bill S-190, "The Housing Enterprise Regulatory Act" was an attempt to try and correct the problem but the Democrats blocked it from reaching the floor in 2005 and in 2007 so at least he made an attempt to stop this from all happening. So Pelosi is dead wrong when she stood up and said that Democrats accept no responsibility for the economic crisis, every damn politician is to blame and the rest of us too for letting them get away with not holding them accountable for it. |
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"General McClellan?" Sarah dear...that was the Civil War. General Mc-K-i-e-r-nan is the here and now hon...wink...wink...you-bet-cha...aw shucks. And wasn't it touching how she responded to Sen. Biden losing his family? What a horrific narcissist Palin is. |
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I do hope that both Mccain and Palin begin to be honest and forthright about who/what caused the current economic crisis;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NU6fuFrdCJY&feature=bz301
Continually blaming Wall Street isn't going to work for either party very long. It's time for some pushback on the part of the conservatives. Let's tell the truth. Something the Democratic Party does not want to do. |
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Fact people taking a deep breath that she did not bomb is pretty telling!
Her expectations where so low that kermit the frog could of did well!
She did not answer the questions but rather just ran through a script. I think the credit goes to her handlers............she did not convince me that she can be vice president a heart beat away from presidency whatsoever!
Serious minded people will not be swayed by this mediocre perfomance. With that said...problem is not Sarah Palin.......put her back in the incubator let her grow and learn......the problem is with McCain and his gambling with American future. |
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I also had CBS on (best picture quality), and before I switched them off I heard the "poll" results of their focus group, previously noted in this thread.
Perhaps the libs touting that poll did not hear the disclaimer that the participants described themselves entering the evening's event as "leaning toward Obama."
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reasoned and well stated. Both for & against. Most of the embittered Lefties must have been moping someplace else.
JamesB..I hear you. The one giving most of the 'patronizing smirk' read was Missus Neo who isn't a politics person, but IS a behavior person.
She'd never watched Biden before. She was viewing(not me)on our 36" HD and, as a 30-year Elementary School teacher, has far more vigilant sensors than us regular folks. Though, I think Female DNA, in general, is far more vigilant to nuance in tone and facial stuff. So, I've long learned to trust her radar. Joe was reined-in, as far as I was concerned, and comported himself professionally. However, as a Senator Forever-Beltway Slick, he has a 'superior vibe' which can't be hidden and his rather creepy eye-snip surgery and forehead botox paralysis helped add some to what Missus Neo was pi**ed off about. His 'enhanced' face was very noticeable on the Hi-Def, not my computer screen.
Also, Thank God for the spanking Gwen Ifill had been handed the previous day. It was obvious that she'd taken it to heart and came off neutral, fair, warm and professional. That set a good tone with us Righties viewing the debate, as we could put our defenses down after a few minutes and concentrate on the principals. Sometimes, as my Mom's green peachtree switch proved, spankings are GOOD. |
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Oh I completely agree with you about Gwen Ifill. She did a great job at remaining neutral and actually chastised BOTH candidates for not answering a certain question. That is when I knew she was doing HER JOB. Fair and balanced.
The debate was good. Both candidates performed well, but I gotta hand it to Palin. They both had a few blunders, but Biden's exceeded Palin's and in very critical areas. She put him in his place well and she was HONEST and she was SARAH. |
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Whoever mentioned MEGO up above -- kudos. My eyes actually *did* glaze over a few times during Biden's long-winded rambling harangues. I had no idea what he was talking about, and I didn't care. As others have noted, too, it got worse as the night wore on. He started out OK, then he wonked out. Sarah, OTOH, was just hitting her stride around about the time SlowJoe started faltering. GO SARAH!! |
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Big Mick,
Actually, I used to go by another handle, but as time went on I realized that I was one of th efew persons who injected some rationality to these posts.
It seemed to me that a lot of folks had a hard time seeing that I was pointing out very sane and obvious things.
I don't have to remind myself. My handle is more for others than myself. |
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Some few observations:
Biden looked like a proud father everytime he looked at Sarah while she was talking. It was almost like he wanted to congratulate her on her responses to his comments. I don't think he is going to be voting for Barack. She kept referring to how he supports McCain and I believe that he is on the wrong side of this debate - poor Joe.
Sarah dropped the redistribution of wealth thing, but she needed to do it more. John McCain has to call socialism what it is. When 95% of american people get a tax cut and when 100% don't pay taxes now, then that is socialism. That is redistribution of wealth. Call them on it.
Finally, what was up with the sighing - I thought I was watching Al Gore. Joe Biden sighed at least 4 times. My wife couldn't believe it. Why hasn't anyone said it?
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regarding the constitution -
Biden said that Article 1 is the Executive Branch. We all know that isn't true - There better be a Saturday Night Live skit on that one.
However, I am not too concerned with that, he probably just misspoke. It happens. But when he said that the Vice President is only part of the executive branch and not part of the legislative branch is completely wrong. The mere fact that the Vice President gets to vote in the senate when the vote is tied gives him some say on legislative matters - to say opposite is ignorant of the truth. Now, is the Vice Presient as much a legislative branch member as a normal senator - No, but he/she is still part of that branch |
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I think Sarah Palin did well in the debate but could have done much better by :
Stating She and McCain will demand drill here, open Alaska now, follow Pickens plan with Natural Gas which is quick fix, albeit a great one, all else.
Said Global warming is a SCAM, we are the most responsible nation and will remain so without the Cap and Trade scam, and the added taxes for the scam.
Do not allow a percentage of GNP tax to be paid to United Nations, or anyone.
Constituional judges
term limits for Congress
Working with American Solutions to resolve the 11 issues they have tackled.
The platitudes McCain mumbles will lose the election-GET TOUGH and Speak Plainly!
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"But when he said that the Vice President is only part of the executive branch and not part of the legislative branch is completely wrong. The mere fact that the Vice President gets to vote in the senate when the vote is tied gives him some say on legislative matters"
The President gets to veto bills passed by the legislative branch, but that doesn't make him part of it. The VP effectively has a very, very limited "veto" over the Senate with the ability to break ties. Both of them are in the executive branch of the government. |
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Evan,
Were we watching the same debate? Not one time was Joe Biden on the defense. Angry? Please explain, I really want to know where you are getting this. "Palin CONTROLLED the debate. She just defined every subject - Joe was on defense the whole night - and angry too." Too be honest I didn't think either one was on the defensive.
She talked in circles. Her main words were Maverick, Israel, oh and Alaska. That was the big one. Seriously, educate me to where you thought he was on the defensive? I have to admit that I was very impressed with both families coming together at the end of the debate. It showed unity and calmness between the two parties.
I just would like to say I am enjoying all of these comments on this page. LMAO. Go USA!!
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represents, Goons. The simple reason that we do not put any weight in those polling #'s from CBS, or CNN, is because, journalism has died this election cycle. The MSM has decided that obambi must be POTUS. All objectivity has been dispensed with, and in it's place is a media, that no longer is unbiased. They want b. hussein obambi to become President, and they will say and do anything to that end! Anything! We simply DO NOT believe anything they say. Their polling samples are deliberately skewed. Journalism died in 2008, and we no longer look to them, for information.
Since you both seem to be a poll watchers, try this one. No candidate for POTUS has EVER won, not receiving a majority of the white male vote, NEVER. As of 10-2, McCain/Palin lead in that demographic, by 19%. Also, poll numbers this election cycle, will be incorrect because white's, as to not appear to be racist, lie to pollsters, and that could represent a 10-15% gap, which does not show up in any poll #'s. This gap, worries, democrats, according to CBS, in an online report, last Spring. |
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Could not agree with you more. It's time to drop the gloves, and start saying, "whats what, and who's who"!! These leftists are wide open, and it's time for a straight right hand to their collective jaws! Let the girl loose, she's just the one to do it, too! Keep posting, you get it! |
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"....Actually, I used to go by another handle, but as time went on I realized that I was one of th efew persons who injected some rationality to these posts.
It seemed to me that a lot of folks had a hard time seeing that I was pointing out very sane and obvious things.
I don't have to remind myself. My handle is more for others than myself...."
WoW................................... |
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The founding fathers must be turning over in their graves. Our nation is about to suffer the fate of the Roman Empire, and a 'desperate housewife' is hauled out, winking and sashaying; dropping her 'ings'; claiming her stake because she believes she's the 'mother of all mothers'. (Apparently one of her newborn's special needs is to spend all his time in bacteria-ripe airplanes, being handled by whomever is handy, while his mother cheaply uses her womanhood to emasculate her enemies and seduce (i.e. Ed Rollins) her oversexed fan club.
What a travesty! Instead of wisdom, knowledge and humility (the blessings of a qualified leader)- insincere, uncompassionate power-grabber. She made it clear last night, she looked past the possibility of the demise of McCain, in office, and has at least part of her busy head filled with presidential fantasies. What a disgrace! |
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You criticize my points about Sarah Palin without even attempting to disprove them. Then, you assert that someone's generalizations about Obama are true despite the fact that they present no evidence. Let's examine the reinvention of McCain. First, McCain has been a staunch supporter of corporate deregulation, and has admitted (and through moronic comments, proven) that he doesn't know much about the economy, then he tries to make America believe that he is going to be the hero of the economic crisis. Second, McCain reinvented his whole campaign and tried to steal the "change" theme from Obama's campaign - that's not even reinventing, that's bordering on desperate plagiarism. Third, McCain was like Bush's little sock puppet for the last 8 years, voting to support the Bush agenda 90% of the time - now he tries to distance himself from Bush. There's more, but I'm sure I've run out of room by now since this blog has a character limit rather than a word limit (I imagine that's to encourage people not to use big words). Anyhow, if anyone should be concerned about their candidate "reinventing" themselves, it should be you. Have a nice day. =) |
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Well if B Hussein Obama does win he not be our first black. The pervert that preceded G W Bush already has been awarded that honor by a pulitzer prize winning writer. |
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Ernest writes: Friday, October, 03, 2008 6:42 PM
First Black President
Well if B Hussein Obama does win he not be our first black. The pervert that preceded G W Bush already has been awarded that honor by a pulitzer prize winning writer.
Ernest if Obama won he still wouldn't be the first Black president, he is mulatto, half white half something. He has never been to the hood, only to buy his cocaine, he has never called a police officer poppy, he wasn't born in Africa, He is a half/Half, he will never be black, only if they put enough makeup on him. Its sad to say that a lot of black people have been taken in by someone who has never experienced black. I guess out of desperation you will vote for anyone.
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"To: moshe and the lawyer who
represents, Goons. The simple reason that we do not put any weight in those polling #'s from CBS, or CNN, is because, journalism has died this election cycle."
Translation:
Polls that show the candidate we like winning the debate = Totally credible without an ounce of bias
Polls that show the candidate we like losing the debate = Obviously left wing media goons gaming the system in their favor |
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I like Joe Biden, even though I'm a conservative (as a fighter, not his policies). However, I think that they finally let Palin off of the leash and she did very well. However.......
You liberals are always talking about the evil oil companies, corruption in govt, etc. Palin broke the oil companies monopoly in Alaska, and put some under indictment for giving bribes. Said some are now doing some serious time behind bars. She fired the head of her own party for corruption, investigated and won indictments of others in the Alaska GOP hearchy, for corruption. Many are not happy with the perks that they have now lost from their former bosses and benifactors.
Said political enemies, in her own party, are going after her now, along with I am sure, backing from some powerful oil people who are not at all happy with what she did to them.
And all you liberals can say is that she is fluff. What are you trying to do? Jockey for a job with that staltwarth green Al Gore so that you can work for HIS Oil Firm or perhaps on one of HIS tabacco plantations? How many of you can name ONE leader in your own party who has the guts to go after real power, in their own party like this? Certainally not Obama. |
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Just watched Sarah Palin's follow-up interview on Faux News. All of a sudden she's realized that she reads the New York Times, the Wall Street Journal, and the Economist (snicker!) She's looked within to discover detailed knowledge of Supreme Court cases like Kennedy vs. Louisiana! We're supposed to believe that this knowledge was there all along? Give me a break!
To top that off, she informs us that her bizarre, evasive answers in the Couric and Gibson interviews were "flippant." Yeah, that was the problem: flippancy!
The woman still speaks in that ludicrous run-on style composed of catch phrases and sound bites strung together in stream of consciousness style. We've seen this before in George Bush, the half-witted, language challenged usurper who brought this nation to such a precarious state.
I say, by all means, turn Sarah loose. Let her get out and "speak" to the American people at every opportunity. McCain's practically sunk already. Sarah could really send him to the bottom! |
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So I'm asumming all you libs googled Obama's best friend Alex Giannoulias- mob ties. It's very quiet out there ? Why no snarky comments ?
Also no comments on Lisa Madigans(democratic Illinos Attorney General)investigation into Obama's illegal earmarks ? Cat got your tongue ?
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oh, you sorry bleeding liberal. Biden has issues. Palin is dead on. Watch and wine as she points the liar liberals out and lets everyone know the truth about them. Obama is beyond a liar he is a terrorist pretending to "love his country." Whoever votes for this pretender is guilty for contributing to what he will do to our nation IF he is elected. What a frighting thought. |
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I just realized that maybe we should all stop blogging back & forth with our own views and read the facts. NOT what we hear the candidates SAY up on the podium during their rallies, but what they have actually FACTUALLY DONE. Fact, Obama has not done one single thing in his lifetime to warrant becoming the President. If you disagree, please name one single thing that he has done. Also, can you tell anyone what kind of experience he has? My god, the man has never even owned his own business. How can he possibly understand, in any way, how to run a COUNTRY! You don't need to be very figure this out. Read the congressional fact sheet and see what McCain has done. I do not agree with all of his actions,but I can say one thing the man has done something and tried to do good for our Country and he is an honest man at that. Now re: Palin's experience...she served 2-terms as both City councilwoman and Mayor, she was also Chair of Alaska Conservation Commission, President of Alaska Conference of Mayors and of course the Gov. of Alaska. She didn't spend her early years as a pampered college student trying to "find himself" as Obama had. To be honest I am voted for Palin first and McCain second as many Americans I know are. McCain and Palin together will be the "CHANGE" we need in Government and they will make "CHANGE" happen. Obama and Biden will just hold up the signs that say the word until' all of the sheep start believing. I could name many things about Biden, but I'm sure you already know as does all of the "thinking" Americans his voting record in congress and gaffs speak for themselves. |
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Wow, you just hate Palin, don't cha.
I have to ask you a few questions. If you don't want to answer, I understand.
1. Do like the humor of Bill Maher? (not sure if last name spelled correctly, and don't really care).
2. Are your parents divorced?
3. Would you say that you see the glass as half full or half empty?
4. Have you always been taken care of, example: college paid for, car paid for?
5. Have you always voted democrat?
I am doing my own survey.
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JESUS IS LORD
swampthing 11:47 PM
"Somebody wanna tell us why foreign policy "expert" Biden called the Bosnian People "Bosniacs"?"
Because it's the proper term.
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No, it isn't the proper term.
The People of Bosnia are called "Bosnians." |
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