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Not only did this writer forget to edit the before opinion, he failed to mention, he was a member of a union for many years, until the light of his conscience blinked. Finally, unions were begun by progressives from various (Marxist, etc) socialist parties. Even though their(progressive socialist) movements, as they proclaimed, were aimed at the child labor problems, the REAL and FACTUAL ulterior motives were to establish socialist political parties in America by infesting the manufacturing industries of those years with socialist people, united for their political ideologies. As a result, the cancer has spread and today's democratic party's auto unions bailouts are actually "Union Vote Buyouts." The Unions and Democrats make fine bed buddies! Prostituting each other! |
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The labor/bosses relations thing has been played as chips on the industrial poker table from the 1870s progressive movements of America's early labor crises to today's Pelosi, Reed or Obama union bailouts. It is and was forever, in the unionized circles, a no-no to apease anyone who disagreed with any labor unions modus operendus which includes the ladder rungs from the shop steward on up to the main BOSS'. In the unions families of punks, bullies, strongmen and plain old smart a**es who play off each others propensities for violence there will forever stand, in some dim corner, a watchman who makes his pats on the backs and adda boys by reporting those self appreciating individuals who don't agree with their union counter parts. Who, by the way have single-handedly destroyed America's workforces by overly pricing their skills as workers. Why in the world would businesses want to pay workers a whopping $75.00 per hour to turn a damned bolt by an air wrench, especially when the equally talented wrench toter in the south is paid a little over 50% of that UNIONIZED LABOR! And furthurmore, the southern people are as happy and appreciative of the auto companies to have settled in their neighborhoods. |
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All the unions gave lots and lots of money to the Dems.Teachers union so they can keep the status quo and keep out charter schools, which actually work for the children, but they have no unions. Money again. The big three are wanting big hand outs, not only did they fly, each one in their own private jets, they gave millions to the Dems. also.Even fannie and freddie so miss managed and protected by the left gave money to some of the Dems to get elected. Every one who received money should have to give it back.It will be interesting to see how Congress and the White House pay all these unions back, for all their generous donations. We need to get ready for 2010, by than Congress,their approval rating already at single digit,will probably be even worse. |
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Your money amount was a little off.
The Service Employees Int'l Union alone combined with Move On and added $100,000,000 (that's a hundred million, not five million) to their $500m Elect Obama coffers.
SEIU is the poor folks' union ... janitors, hotel cleaners, nurses' aides, orderlies ... a majority of whose members may have preferred BHO; but how much of their dues money was spent on getting The One elected, and how much to "negotiating contracts?"
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...the era of neo intolerance is overtaking this once great country. Prepare for the new versions of state coercion to enforce socialist outcomes. Prepare for Big Government to convert Big Business into Big Government Business. Prepare for Big Education to preside over all - to the point of coercive "re-education" mandated to those who disagree with Big Govenrment policies. Prepare for Big Government health services - to the point of coercive psychiatric re-conditioning for the "extremists" who disagree with Big Government policies.
...coming soon... |
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"jimmy went to prison!"
Investigated, convicted, and jailed by Democrats (Bobby Kennedy); pardoned and released by Republicans (Nixon). |
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the demo-rats have replaced jimmy with themselves!they wanted jimmys job!wow!only jimmy went to prison! |
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The Civil Rights Act of 1964, the Equal Employment Opportunity Act, the Civil Service Reform Act, the Fair Labor Standards Act, the Equal Pay Act, the Age Discrimination in Employment Act, the Occupational Safety and Health Act, the Minimum Wage Act, and the Civil Rights Restoration Act, and the Americans with Disabilities Act. Quick to pass, slow to comply.
And if you take bribes and stash the money in your freezer, you might be prosecuted...unless?
Congressional double-standards are the rule not exception. The issue is bipartisan, but unfortunately so is Kool-Aid.
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Typical for you to give a non-answer. |
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"Which is it, buddy?"
Why does it have to be one or the other? |
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After months of following your posts, I am convinced that you are either a political plant or a person who has no understanding of political history whatsoever.
Which is it, buddy? |
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"obama is out to destroy us, people! ADA!"
Nah, I had a lot to do with the Ada Language in the 80's and 90's, and Obama was nowhere to be seen. I don't think he knows the first thing about programming language design.
"the unions want open ballots so they can see who votes for who!"
The votes we're talking about aren't for people at all. No candidates involved. |
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true, true, true, obama is out to destroy us, people! ADA! obama made a deal with the unions, and the unions gave 5 million to his campagn! don't you people get it yet, obama is EVIL! the unions want open ballots so they can see who votes for who! the unions will have complete control over elections, you vote who they tell you to vote for or you are out! this is just the beginning of obamas madness, there is and there will be more! just watch our freedoms and way of life fly right out the window! the fools that voted for this piece of sh-- will be wishing bush was still our president! god for bid the day obama takes over! |
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"The whole point of a secret ballot is so that people can vote the way they really think without worrying about peer pressure, threats of repercussions, etc., to vote a certain way."
If someone feels they were pressured or threatened, or just changes their mind, they can send a note to the NLRB rescinding their signature. Obviously that can be done completely in secret, with no possibility of repercussion. Likewise they can send a YES vote to the NLRB in secret, to avoid repercussions from their employer.
"Now think about the process of getting 50% of workers to "indicate that they want a union". Isn't that process going to be subject to the same sorts of pressures that a non-secret ballot would?"
That's what they have to do NOW, and then there's a secret ballot. I'm not sure you understand either how it works now or how the bill would change it. |
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Re: "The EFCA doesn't 'deny workers the right to a secret ballot.' It just says that if over 50% have already indicated that they want a union, the secret ballot isn't necessary."
Bob, did you think through what you were saying here? The whole point of a secret ballot is so that people can vote the way they really think without worrying about peer pressure, threats of repercussions, etc., to vote a certain way. Would you have wanted a non-secret ballot in the last presidential election? OK. Now think about the process of getting 50% of workers to "indicate that they want a union". Isn't that process going to be subject to the same sorts of pressures that a non-secret ballot would? It would allow unions to win elections even where a majority of workers didn't really want them, because they could be pressured. Thus the workers would, in effect, be denied the rights to vote without pressure that they would get from being allowed to vote in secret. So no, it isn't a lie. |
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anything. Let's see, we went from EFCA, to a secret ballot isn't necessary, to pollsters, to right wingers enthralled to big business to illegal immigration to cheap workers in one fell swoop. Breathless linkage that. On the other hand, a secret ballot is a scary thing to those sliding off to the left. |
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The EFCA doesn't "deny workers the right to a secret ballot." It just says that if over 50% have already indicated that they want a union, the secret ballot isn't necessary. They can go ahead and have a secret ballot if they want, or the workers can organize one on their own.
I got two calls from pollsters yesterday that stated things in this same dishonest fashion, obviously commissioned by opponents of EFCA who wanted a skewed poll to yell about. It amazes me how much the right-wing is in thrall to big business, even when they also work to make illegal immigration easy so they can hire cheap workers. |
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Which is most likely why Pelosi stated yesterday that they "reject" anyone who advocates the 3 auto companies declaring bankruptcy... even Chapter 11.
And, keep in mind, Marxist Obama is also in favor of CardCheck...
Today, union votes!
Tomorrow, elections!
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of MSM manipulation of the "news"....
If this true, then it's confirmation that the MSM corruption is extending past the election and into "The Messiah's" future presidency......
Every time I think the MSM has hit rock-bottom.........they grab a shovel......
SAD!!!!! |
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