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Saturday, March 22, 2008
Steyn on The Ticket of Obama-Wright
Posted by: Hugh Hewitt at 8:46 AM
Read the whole thing, but here's a sample of Mark Steyn on Candiate Obama and his pastor:



Nonetheless, last week, Barack Obama told America: "I can no more disown him than I can disown the black community."

What is the plain meaning of that sentence? That the paranoid racist ravings of Jeremiah Wright are now part of the established cultural discourse in African American life and thus must command our respect? Let us take the senator at his word when he says he chanced not to be present on AIDS Conspiracy Sunday, or God Damn America Sunday, or US of KKKA Sunday, or the Post-9/11 America-Had-It-Coming Memorial Service. A conventional pol would have said he was shocked, shocked to discover Afrocentric black liberation theology going on at his church. But Obama did something far more audacious: Instead of distancing himself from his pastor, he attempted to close the gap between Wright and the rest of the country, arguing, in effect, that the guy is not just his crazy uncle but America's, too.

To do this, Obama promoted a false equivalence. "I can no more disown him than I can my white grandmother," he continued. "A woman who helped raise me, a woman who sacrificed again and again for me, a woman who loves me as much as she loves anything in this world, but a woman who once confessed her fear of black men who passed by her on the street." Well, according to the way he tells it in his book, it was one specific black man on her bus, and he wasn't merely "passing by."

When the British Prime Minister Harold Macmillan dumped some of his closest Cabinet colleagues to extricate himself from a political crisis, the Liberal leader Jeremy Thorpe responded: "Greater love hath no man than to lay down his friends for his life." In Philadelphia, Sen. Obama topped that: Greater love hath no man than to lay down his grandma for his life.



What is remarkable about this moment is that Obama's speech rallied the Hollywood left to him while doing almost nothing to allay the new concerns of the middle while deepening the opposition of the right.  As Politico's VandeHei and Allen write, Obama's almost certainly got the nomination in the bag, but the Wright controversy is not behind him, and it could explode at any moment.  (Michael Barone provocatively asks whether Wright even wants Obama to win, and his new column asks whether the controversy has eroded Obama's appeal to the millenials which has been so strong.)  Twenty years of friendship with his pastor and mentor cannot be erased with a speech and a plea for understanding.

The Obamaphenom has been an extraordinary thing to watch gather strength and then sweep across the country.  It is now changing in its core character, or revealing it.  Like a hurricane over warm waters, the Obama candidacy is now feeding off of the long and usually bitter politics of race that have divided the country since its founding.  Senator Obama may never have wanted his campaign to end up here, and it may have not been inevitable, but twenty years in the pews of a church perceived as radical by the vast majority of Americans not because of its theology but because of the political statements of its leadership has guaranteed the next eight months will be one long and often hot argument about race in America.

If the organizers of Recreate 68 get their way, it won't be an argument that moves to agreement and closure, but one that explodes in protests and a rocked political establishment.  Forty years later, we are back in a campaign centered on war and race, with one party led by its most established leader and the other deeply split.   How deeply split.  Here's James Carville on Bill Richardson's endorsement of Obama yesterday:

"An act of betrayal," said James Carville, an adviser to the Clintons.

"Mr. Richardson's endorsement came right around the anniversary of the day when Judas sold out for 30 pieces of silver, so I think the timing is appropriate, if ironic," Carville said.

That's harsh, comparing Richardson to the greatest betrayer of all time.  (HT: Columnist to the World).  But it is a sign of the way the Dems are going.

If Senator McCain selected a running mate early and set about the country with a team of advisors that will accompany him into the executive branch in some capacity, the contrast with the rapidly deteriorating Democratic front bench would be profound, just as this week's trip to Iraq, Jordan and Israel showcased the chasm between McCain and Obama.  Conventional wisdom says McCain waits as long as he can to name a running mate, but with a fund-raising gap that will only widen as the left gets more and more energized about having a nominee with a radical past and pastor, there's an opportunity to cement the GOP support and claim the center right and energize fund-raising and organization in front of Team McCain. 

 



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Pasadena Phil writes: Saturday, March, 22, 2008 9:45 AM
Seems to be a common theme
"What is remarkable about this moment is that Obama's speech rallied the Hollywood left to him while doing almost nothing to allay the new concerns of the middle while deepening the opposition of the right."

Kind of like how the very guy Townhall was organized against during the amnesty fiasco is now the Republican nominee. Who are these political parties sucking up anyway? Certainly not the voters. There is only one party and we must vote against it by voting for any independent candidate.
Whatfur writes: Saturday, March, 22, 2008 9:51 AM
Lest we forget...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4cjtRgnj7pA

If that didn't disqualify him...nothing will...

Radian writes: Saturday, March, 22, 2008 10:04 AM
Obama
I don't want to vote Obama, but if my state is competitive, I'll vote for him unfortunately just to prevent McCain from getting power and destroying the GOP.

Mickey Kaus just wrote a column about McCain's plan to push an amnesty through in his first 100 days.
NeoConScum writes: Saturday, March, 22, 2008 10:14 AM
Mark Bites Through To The Marrow
better than any political writer in America today. After the week just past, I keep thinking I was very 'young' a scant 10-days ago. What appeared to be a juggernaut with heavy inevitability looks now like a very problematical, partially derailed train. And, all McCain had to do was leave the country and visit our troops in the Mid-East!

I figure if John will just stay overseas and out of headlines for another month, we'll have this thing won. Hillary must be having lamp throwings aplenty at Chapaqua. The deal that was supposed to be a shoe-in, then taken from under her entitled nose and, now, the Thief Himself is in a shipwreck with no apparent way for her to regain her 'rightful reward'!!

This week was like a perfect Acid High(not that I'd know or remember)with NO consequences for Repubs. This is sum good **!t, Man...
Post Holer writes: Saturday, March, 22, 2008 10:41 AM
Just keep on black bashing.
You should change the name of this place to "allwrightallthetime.com".

Meanwhile the economy is tanking, but hey, who cares? Let Rome burn.

It's more fun to bash blacks, eh?

For having been in this business as long as you have Hugh, one would think even you would have learned something about the third and fourth rails of politics.

Bashing black people because they are angry at whites makes Republicans look all manner of racists.

The independent voters won't take long in shifting the 20 years question from Obama to you.

Why was Obama in this congregation for 20 years will quickly become, why after 20 years are the Republicans just now exposing this issue?

Answer: it wasn't an issue until a black man ran for president, ergo Republicans are racists will be the conclusion and all those independent voters will have yet another stake to drive into the GOP's heart.

Whatfur writes: Saturday, March, 22, 2008 10:50 AM
Hole
NOT a black thing. You and Obama wish to make it such...but that isn't working. Most Americans I know, wish success to all Americans regardless of color. Many of us wish even harder for those of color so we don't have to continue to bare your brand of false witness.
PokerGuy writes: Saturday, March, 22, 2008 11:02 AM
Obvious Stuff
"It is now changing in its core character, or revealing it."

The latter, I think, and the statement really pertains to Obama and not some nebulous "campaign" thing.

He may not even understand that many of his core beliefs about America and race are inappropriate. Maybe nobody ever told him, or if they did, he has long since dismissed any concerns on these issues. Most of us live in a self-selected bubble of sorts. Think about what, and who, compose Obama's - the wife, Wright, core advisors and supporters who will all be singing along in chorus...

As for Richardson? He just found out for sure he will not be Her Wonderfulness' VP candidate, so in a hissy fit he endorsed the other actor in this dark off-Broadway comedy. VP Candidate of (the Party's) choice? Obama of course.

NeoConScum writes: Saturday, March, 22, 2008 11:07 AM
P-Holer...Ummm...The Outing Was Clinton-
ian, NOT Repub.

2.)There are NO Victims here at HH, only volunteers.

3.)Will we now be treated to years & years of Dem whining, paranoid ravings about the 'stolen, racist '08 election'?? How about the Guy is an Empty Suit Resume, NO executive experience of ANY kind, much less congress...Eloquent--Yep...Handsome, appealing, young--Yep...Bright as Hell--Yep...Ready for Primetime-Wartime Leadership--NOOOOOO!

Just an Alinsky Socialist-Pacifist of the late 60's variety with the most Left Wing voting record in the Senate.
NeoConScum writes: Saturday, March, 22, 2008 11:10 AM
Oh, Boy...He's Skipped Outta Shady Oaks
Asylum AGAIN...! Guys, Peaky's over here. Get the net...Goood.
Iam Who Iam writes: Saturday, March, 22, 2008 11:11 AM
Obama, Ye who walks on water
The US has 300 million people living in it from every place in the world, from all backgrounds, beliefs, and when they came here are supposed to forget why they came here. Go to just about any country and you will find that its citizens are not all loveable. When family members can not get along with each other, where neighbors look at each other with a hummm. When nations who been next to each other for thousands of year do not even speak the same language or dress the same makes you wonder how President Obama is going to make us all lived together smiling?
In the 20 years that President Obama lived in Chciago has seen life get only worst for the Black families. They were getting a pieace of the pie until Mayor Daley open the city upto every illegal in the world, who in turn took those jobs away from the Black families. A Black union worker has been replace with a person that their home language is not English. It is hard for a Black child that goes to school that needs to learn Spanish before he/she learns English. Where social services are run by people who look down at Americans especially if they are Black.
President Obama will have a very hard problem just to keep old hateds from coming to the surface during the next four years. It is not just Black against white, green against puple it goes back thousands of years from the old world.

I wonder if Miss Rice was running for President if she would fair any better. I wonder what Rep. or Dem would not vote for her and for what reason?
roho writes: Saturday, March, 22, 2008 11:11 AM
How funny as America decides on their
"ELECTED CRIMINALS"!

Obama was always who he is today, and so was Hillary and McAmnesty. Nothing changes but the pre-election lies. But, I knew in advance that the liberal views of Hillary and Obama was textbook liberalism. McAmnesty noe wants my conservative vote after being the scum-bag traiter he turned out to be to the GOP?(Gutted Our Principles)

Nope......I will be voting 3rd party for a true conservative, registering as an independent, and leaving the idiots that couldn't see Duncan Hunter, Tancredo, or Ron Paul as true conservatives, and now watch their precious party burn!

I survived LBJ, Jammy Carter, and Bubba Clinton. I will survive the next nut-job liberal in the whitehouse.
Ex-tex writes: Saturday, March, 22, 2008 11:22 AM
McCain will lose if he doesn't quit...
...pokin' conservatives in the eye!

From Novak today:
"John McCain's team that is taking over the Republican Party has decided on Bobbie Greene Kilberg, a liberal Republican from Virginia long detested by conservatives, to run the party's national convention in St. Paul, Minn., in August."


REV. WRIGHT WAS A GIFT TO McCAIN- the DEMs are TRYIN' AS HARD AS THEY CAN TO GIVE THIS THING TO McCAIN!

BUT HE WILL LOSE IF HE DOESN'T QUIT WITH THIS LIBERAL SH*T! Enough already- conservatives will only take so much from this guy.

Iam Who Iam writes: Saturday, March, 22, 2008 11:25 AM
Obama-Wright
Rev. Wright voice his views that have been voice by any Rev. anywhere on any subject matter. He has a problem is that he has made millinos of dollars (1.3 million in 2006)speaking in that tone. He preaches to the faithful and they give him money when he says what the people want to hear. "It is not your fault you are poor, it is everyone else fault they keep you down".
If you really hear what Obama is saying it is the same thing. Obama is preaching "they are at fault, if you vote for me, I will give Heaven". That is what made him a State Rep and a US Senator. He had to run as President since he did not deliver as a US Senator.
If Obama does not deliver Heaven on earth the people who voted for him will give him Hell.
Radian writes: Saturday, March, 22, 2008 11:30 AM
McVain
McVain lost my vote a long time ago. I guess he can keep poking. I've long resigned to voting for Obama just to spite him.
clarityseeker writes: Saturday, March, 22, 2008 11:45 AM
Obama
This man designed his campaign around keeping his followers ignorant---ignorant of his personal life, his personal values.
HOPE....CHANGE....SMOOTH TALK....ARTICULATIONS.

His campaign has emerged as that of the slimiest variety. Create the veiled lies of placing no emphasis on race, while protecting those most close to him whose entire existence, "mission" was and is about RACE.

He's a "typical politician" in this regard.
I would be tempted to call him, "A typical black man", however, I do not know what a typical black man is (perhaps better would be to call him a "typical snake charmer").

I have known black men of all types. My friend in high school was a son of a black woman and a black man. He was funny, very funny. He was athletic. He was raised with values of good education and a good sense of community spiritedness.
I have known ignorant black men. I have known powerful black men. I have known caring black. Above all, I have known black men who are genuine in their convictions, thei beliefs.

Barack Hussein Obama is not genuine in his convictions and beliefs. He has allowed far too many external forces get in his way of him truly knowing himself.
His disappointment in losing an election to Bob Rush in Illinois got in the way of who he was.

His campaign is about race---at its core. And he did not want this to surface. At least not before he was elected as POTUS.
A scary dude in his methodology. A scary dude in the elegant pictures he paints on rotten canvas. A very scary person---on the one hand exhibiting such loyal notions and nature to his friend, Reverend Wright, and then making his grandmother out to be someone that he simply used as cheap "context".
Joe writes: Saturday, March, 22, 2008 12:20 PM
Crazy Delicious!
Carville attacking Richardson! Hillary as the Prince of Peace betrayed by Judas Richardson? Now that is OTT.

The Democrats are running around like mad dogs.

I love it.
cottoneyed writes: Saturday, March, 22, 2008 12:32 PM
RECREATE 68,
this is a dream come true, "Days of resistance", wow, come one, come all, all you liberal anarchists, Denver longs for your huddled masses, briggs-brobby, i certainly hope you've made your travel plans, a Lt.in the Denver Police Dept. is a good friend of mine, we go to the same church, Steve, just last week said that he will set aside a special cannister of teargas, just for you, now isn't that hospitable, why sure it is, so please, by all means come, and bring all your little Fascists friends, too, "Days of resistance" awaits you, smoke a little pot, make a little love, and get down with the struggle, bro, our fair city awaits you.
one hot minute writes: Saturday, March, 22, 2008 12:51 PM
Radian, you don't have to pretend

Radian wrote,
------------------
"McVain lost my vote a long time ago. I guess he can keep poking. I've long resigned to voting for Obama just to spite him."
------------------

Radian, you don't have to pretend---we know you prefer Obama's policies to McCain's.
After all, the only people who prefer Obama to McCain are lefties.

You should just admit you have a hunger for higher taxes, more left-wing nuts on the Supreme Court, and appeasement of Islamic Jihad.

And I know you can't wait until President Obama's immigration policies are implemented.
By comparison, he'll make John McCain look like one of the Minutemen !
anamericanfriend writes: Saturday, March, 22, 2008 1:20 PM
Let's be Honest
I have lived within your white American society in all regions of the country for 54 years. The reactions of you people to Obama and Wright is a pure reflection of the hatred and racism that exists in the very soul of much of white America towards people of color..
Radian writes: Saturday, March, 22, 2008 1:26 PM
McCain
McCain is an enemy within. We must do everything to stop him even if that means fighting to make sure Obama\Hillary defeats him
one hot minute writes: Saturday, March, 22, 2008 1:45 PM
Radian is a Democrat

Radian wrote;
-----------------
"McCain is an enemy within. We must do everything to stop him even if that means fighting to make sure Obama\Hillary defeats him"
-----------------

Radian, we have a name for people who believe that. We call them "Democrats" !

You should just admit you have a hunger for higher taxes, more left-wing nuts on the Supreme Court, and appeasement of Islamic Jihad.
The Great Satan™ writes: Saturday, March, 22, 2008 1:53 PM
anamericanfriend
------Let's be Honest I have lived within your white American society in all regions of the country for 54 years. The reactions of you people to Obama and Wright is a pure reflection of the hatred and racism that exists in the very soul of much of white America towards people of color.------


Really? We’re supposed to say “thank you” when told we’re the greatest terrorist threat on the globe and that we - whites- infected the black communities with AIDS? Go phuq yourself quisling. And your psychobabble about “racism in the souls of much of white America” is utter bullsh*t. Blacks are treated better in white America than they are in black Africa or the Middle East, or Latin America. Blacks have gained success and economic freedom in America on a level that dwarfs blacks in any other nation. Peddle your white guilt elsewhere; Americans have nothing to apologize for or be ashamed of.
Virginia Patriot writes: Saturday, March, 22, 2008 2:11 PM
No Border Security/No National Security


It's really up to Sen. McCain. If he wants our votes, he has to earn them.

He said he heard us after the last amnesty fight. He heard two things right. We want the border secured and we don't trust them. There apparently was alot he didn't hear.

He hired Juan Hernandez, who represents foreign nationals illegally in our country as his hispanic outreach, instead of reaching out to someone from "You Don't Speak For Me" a group of citizens of hispanic descent who oppose illegal aliens.

He said a couple of weeks ago he would sign McCain/Kennedy if it were put on his desk.


If he wants my vote, there are a couple of things he could do.
1. Publicly dismiss and disavow Juan Hernandez and the Reconquista for which he stands.
2. Apologize for conspiring in secret with La Raza and Ted Kennedy and trying to jam amnesty down our throats.
3. Pledge to veto ANY amnesty bill.
4. Pledge to enforce the laws, including deportation, which is the penalty for illegal aliens.

It's up to Sen. McCain, he can represent the interests of American citizens and uphold the rule of law or he can continue to court the favor of liberals and illegal aliens.

I will not vote for the latter.
K.G. writes: Saturday, March, 22, 2008 2:46 PM
We Meet Again...
..Virginia Patriot.

I will repeat what I said on another blog to you. I am a ultra-conservative who lives 15 rural miles from the SanDiego/Mexican border. My guy was Mitt from the get-go, even though in the beginning he could have been stronger on the issues near and dear to your heart and mine.

We and our neighbors have illegals running through our yards, killing the family pets who bark at them, stealing kids' bikes in front of their eyes and raping 15-year old girls waiting for the school bus. McAmnesty is a total McTravesty on many issues, especial border security.

However, he has promised to reinstate the Bush tax cuts (which were actually Clinton increases. This would mean my husband and I might not have to jump off the cliff in 2010 in order to avoid estate taxes so our kids can inherit what is rightly theirs.

Mac has promised border security. He might not keep his promises, but we know Hill and Obama will:

NO border security
NO national sovereignity
Increased taxes
Not even minor drilling in ANWR
Higher corn, wheat, milk and meat prices
Weak foreign policy
Ad nauseum.

I love this country and its ideals. National sovereignity is a huge issue with me. I share your disgust with the idiotic choices we have for POTUS. I believe we have a better chance with Mac. Please reconsider.

Half a loaf, or even 1/4 a loaf is better than a pile of ----.
The Great Satan™ writes: Saturday, March, 22, 2008 3:03 PM
Peak Fool
------"Blacks are treated better in white America than they are in black Africa or the Middle East, or Latin America……TGS"

Does it get any more plain than this. Sounds like a slogan from a KKK rally at Stone Mountain, Georgia…….Peak Fool-----------

Intellectual retard, you can’t refute my comment. Blacks take machetes to one another on a genocidal scale in Africa, they starve one another in Africa, there is still slavery in Africa, muslims murder black Christians. In the ME blacks can also be found in slavery and are treated poorly. Latin America is openly racist towards blacks, particularly Mexico. Are these truths uncomfortable for a politically correct eunuch like yourself?
cottoneyed writes: Saturday, March, 22, 2008 3:07 PM
Peak Oil,
giving us a scolding, thats really rich, peaky, considering who you are, you sir, can't see past your hatred, hate what, you say, JEWS, and those awful, JEW lovers, NEOCONS, if we could just get rid of the JEWS, the world would be a wonderful place, well peaky, your on the wrong side, and about 3919 years too late, it's already a done deal, Arabs lose, JEWS win, get a flyswatter and tomorrow, go outside and see if you can keep the sun from rising with that flyswatter, cause ya' got a better chance at that than you do defeating the JEWS.
Why don't you find something new to hate, this JEW thing, it's not going well for you, and it never will!!
Patriotic Liberal writes: Saturday, March, 22, 2008 3:20 PM
The Democratic Demise
These threads are truly entertaining. On this one alone, you have CharityShrieker bloviating about his black friends, 'Minute making his signature non-sequiturs, 'Eyed muttering about gassing the leftist "fascists." It really is priceless.

But on Hugh's point that the Democratic front bench is rapidly deteriorating: let's see how it looks in October. One way the pundit class--including Hugh--fails our country is in losing the forest for the trees. Part of it is partisan. They are trying to set the expectational table and influence events through influencing perceptions. But part of it is just moral stupidity, the inability to rise above the emotions of the moment. It amounts to no more than capitulating to one's feelings. Like I said, the Boomer right is a lot more morally similar to the Boomer left than they'd care to admit.
S/A86 writes: Saturday, March, 22, 2008 3:31 PM
American Fiend, Patriotic Limpwrister
Briggs:

Please know that you are correct....

I AM a typical white person, in the manner and style of Babakazma's saintly grandmother.

AND, when I see capering babboons like Jeremiah Wright, postulating like Fred Sanford and invoking Louis Farrakhan's rhetoric, rationales and reasoning, I just have that typical white person reaction.

I go the the voting booth and exercise my right to be free of idiots, liars and manipulative, slick race hustlers.

Babakazama has aptly shown that he is in NO way different from Jesse "aint yo' daddy" Jackson or Al "tawana yo' mama" Sharpton.

'HOPE' is a fraud and 'CHANGE' is an imposter.
K.G. writes: Saturday, March, 22, 2008 3:32 PM
Obama Revealed
Hey, JamesB, race-baiting has nothing to do with it.

Obama has talked a vague but good story about uniting America. Now we see that his pastor and mentor to whom he has given a bunch of money espouses the polar opposite of what Obama's been espousing.

In his speech, Obama denounced "politics that breeds division, and conflict, and cynicism."

Well, hells bells! What breeds more division, conflict and cynicism than Wright's rantings? If Obama were a sincere, true-believer of his own message, he would have been denouncing Wright's message from the roof-tops for last 20 years, not supporting him. Obama is proven to be a fraud and phony through the Wright affair.

I predict Obama will be the nominee (no way to avoid it now without torching the country)and the patriotic Joe Sixpacks from both parties will vote in Mac, who at least is a normal person, not a self-contradictory chimera.

It has nothing to do with race or even promised policy. The average Joe will not vote for a person who self-righteously spouts vague promises of hope, change, unity and peace, but whose pastor shouts God damn America and reverences Nation of Islam.

The curtain has been pulled back; the phoniness we always felt was there has been revealed. Just plain folks are going to get it.
anamericanfriend writes: Saturday, March, 22, 2008 3:39 PM
the "great" satan
hides his racism in his apparently logical comments. Why don't you have the guts to stand up and let us know how you really feel about black people.
cottoneyed writes: Saturday, March, 22, 2008 3:48 PM
No candidate has ever been
elected POTUS, without receiving a majority of the white male vote, with obama, currently garnering only 30% of the white democrat vote, it would seem a practical impossibility, for him to win in the general election, given the Wright revelations, democrat bigwigs, see this, and at the convention, will attempt, to somehow, deny obama.

ROCK CHALK JAYHAWK.......
NeoConScum writes: Saturday, March, 22, 2008 4:02 PM
Americanfriend..You Are Poking Tongue In
the Cheek, right?? You are making the...errr... fun of the Hate Spewing Racist Pastor & the (rightly)embarrassed politician of his congregation of 20-years...Right? Thank God, Bud, there for a minute I thought you were serious. Had you actually been serious, I'd suggest a long-long supervised rest at the place Peaky just escaped from(AGAIN!), Shady Oaks Asylum. Both he and his lunatic hero, Ron Pauley, are housed there, with way too much access to the Day Room computer.

Cotton: Enjoyed your missive to our Jew Hating Pauley escapee from Shady Oaks immensely! It just doesn't track that Peakster was in the Corps--but, he was--so, something went terribly off kilter.

Clarity, OHM, TGS: We goin' to need that Net again, Gents! This boy's got some strange combo churnin' in his psyche...Jew Hater, Repub Hater, Southern Folks Hater, Sometimes Dem Hater, etc.
Lithium Levels went outta phase somewhere along the line...

Patriotic Liberal writes: Saturday, March, 22, 2008 4:05 PM
S/A86
That's fine. Don't vote for Barack. We'll just fight for our votes among those white people who are a less self-absolving and self-satisfied. Clowns like you are not morally responsible, so we'll have to work around your stupidity. It's doable.
anamericanfriend writes: Saturday, March, 22, 2008 4:27 PM
neoconscum
i find nothing "racist or hate spewing" in the words of Reverand Wright. What is embarrasing is the fear that "americans" display when confronted with the truth and their inability to be honest about their own feelings and beliefs.
K.G. writes: Saturday, March, 22, 2008 4:37 PM
No, PatLib
You will find the Obama votes among those mindless masses who are dazzled by glittering generalities of the "just words" candidate. Those who are mesmerized by the deep, commanding voice he inherited from his African ancestors and has been honed by sitting in the pews of the black church. Nothing wrong with that at all. It's a gift that should be put to great use.

However well Obama talks the talk in a grandiose speech, he has no walk to speak of. Even his talk without a teleprompter makes him sound like a Valley Girl, as one commentator so aptly said this a.m.

It's true. Off the cuff, Obama's just a rather naive, immature 40-something-year-old, all dressed up and trying to fake it as a legit contender for POTUS.

I knew MLK, and he's no MLK. Nor a JFK, no matter what people have told Caroline about her father.

Not sure, PatLib, if we can work around your hm..... cluelessness.

clarityseeker writes: Saturday, March, 22, 2008 4:53 PM
anamericanfriend
That's because you believe our government invented HIV AIDS to eradicate an entire race of people.

That's because it makes sense to you that our government is tantamount to, al Qaeda.

That's because you are of the opinion that people are better to be helped by handouts from this same exact government, than to account for yourself and all that you do.

Personal responsibility is a foreign and distasteful concept for you.

That's okay. You are free to believe whatever trash you choose to.

Neither do your beliefs make for FACT nor for accurate perception.
NeoConScum writes: Saturday, March, 22, 2008 5:21 PM
Americanfriend:You Mean You're SERIOUS?
Oh.

In that case, as Mark Steyn pointed out, you are Mad as the proverbial Hatter. IF you are a Bazama supporter, he'd best run for them-thar hills or disavow any knowledge of you and your likes. Cuz his entire campaign--well, up till the Clinton Surrogates outed Rev.Wright--has been based on him being a New Guy. No Race Baiting, No Victimhood, No Agendizing on Color. But, Friend, you are putting the Change, Change, Change to that there..HOPE!
cottoneyed writes: Saturday, March, 22, 2008 6:24 PM
Can anyone
decipher the post above, entitled, "Dixie", if perchance, you can, my prayer is that the 2 of you, don't live within 1500 miles, of ME, and MINE. Peak oil, you surely, have to register, at your county sheriff's office, don't you? Children's parents need to know!!

ROCK CHALK JAYHAWK.......
NeoConScum writes: Saturday, March, 22, 2008 7:24 PM
Paddy Put It Best: Peak's Batsh!t Crazy
Cotton, I'm with you. This maniac is right out of a Cohen Bros. Movie. He's scaring the kids in a serious way.
K.G. writes: Saturday, March, 22, 2008 7:38 PM
To Heck with Dixie, Guyz
It's people willing to vote for Obama that are scaring the heck outta me!

Barack's "typical white grandmother" may be afraid of people she doesn't know on the street. I'm a typical white grandma who's just fine with strangers on the street.

It's the people we do know that are running for president that are darn scary! Liberal politicians are a lot quicker to take my money than muggers on the street.

I've been robbed more than once, but no one got as much of my money as Clinton I.
anamericanfriend writes: Saturday, March, 22, 2008 8:31 PM
re:clarityseeker
this is not one of the silly talk radio shows you choose to listen to so please don't attempt to define me and my beliefs with you small little mind. You have no idea of who I am or what I believe in. I only said I found nothing racist or hate spewing in Reverand Wrightss remarks. If you want to know what I believe about these other issues ask but please don't also answer for me.
anamericanfriend writes: Saturday, March, 22, 2008 8:36 PM
neoconscum read re:clarityseeker
same goes for you.
clarityseeker writes: Saturday, March, 22, 2008 9:06 PM
anamericanfriend
You say I put words in your mouth----however, you've made an even bigger mistake in assuming I care what you believe.

(Your comments were crystal clear enough for me)


LOL

>:D
NeoConScum writes: Saturday, March, 22, 2008 9:10 PM
Americanmissingmind...You Have Revealed
ALL we need to know. Thanks for offering more lunacy, but it's not necessary. No..No, really. Not remotrly interested. Sell your swill at the kosroid watering hole, Little Troll.

Clarity: Some of the Bazamites are turning out to be closely akin to the Pauley Nutters. Who wouldda thunk?
anamericanfriend writes: Saturday, March, 22, 2008 9:27 PM
Look who's playing the race card now
why is it that the same white americans who alwas complain about the black man crying racism are the first to whine and cry racism when a black man says something that they disagree with.
one hot minute writes: Saturday, March, 22, 2008 9:33 PM
March Madness

Clarity, Neo, Cotton, '86;

Some of our angry lefty friends are providing good examples of "March Madness."

NeoConScum writes: Saturday, March, 22, 2008 9:50 PM
OHM...Cookoo's Nest
WHEW! Run, Bazama, RUN!
NeoConScum writes: Saturday, March, 22, 2008 9:59 PM
Americanfriend...Black ?
Wasn't truthfully paying close enough attention to even know--or, care--that you're Black. That stuff just isn't on my radar screen. It's on my Care Less Meter. I'm pretty typical, ya know, for a White Person. I don't give the remotest 'chit whether you're pink, brown, red, yeller, white or black, Kid. No esta give a 'chit. Comprende?

I do, however, have a BS Sensitive Gag Reflex for pomposity, paranoia, race hustling, grifters selling swill and--possibly MOST irritating--VICTIMHOOD.

You, by the way, may sniff on me ALL week and never smell whining.

Again, IF you're indicative of many Bazama supporters, your guy is in vastly bigger trouble than I'd imagined. Happy Easter.
Joe writes: Saturday, March, 22, 2008 10:08 PM
Peak Oil
Don't drag me into your games. You say you are not anti Semetic, well I will give you the benefit of doubt. But the way you throw out the term "Neocon" followed by a string of slanders raises doubts given many others use Neocon as code for Jew.
Qweenmumof7 writes: Saturday, March, 22, 2008 10:13 PM
Hugh's right
McCain needs to pick running mate.

Romney is available.

McCain/Romney 08
The Great Satan™ writes: Saturday, March, 22, 2008 10:19 PM
Liberal Dimwits
------the "great" satan hides his racism in his apparently logical comments. Why don't you have the guts to stand up and let us know how you really feel about black people…….anamericanfriend--------

Does it appear as I have any reservations whatsoever about speaking my mind? It is not me who thinks blacks are unable to succeed without the help of “the white man”, that would be you on the left. It is not me who attempted to institute ebonics into black classrooms because they felt blacks were too stupid to learn proper English, it was those on the left that were peddling this soft bigotry of low expectations.

I believe blacks are as capable of succeeding as whites. I do not believe blacks need preferential treatment for sins committed over 100 years ago. I treat all races as equals, I do not pander to individual groups unlike those on the left. MLK said it best in his “I Have A Dream” speech, unfortunately those like Farrakhan prefer racial hatred and black liberation theology over a colorblind society. Farrakhan saw to it that MLK was silenced and as we know Obama is an ideological supporter of Farrakhan.


I would also point out that the two legged rodents like Jeremiah Wright have adopted paleostinian tactics of propaganda. The Arabs like to say that Jews make matzoa from the blood of paleostinian children and now America hating blacks are saying that whites in America targeted them with AIDS.

------My my TGS, you sure freak when the heat gets turned up and the light shines on your racial hatred and bigotry…….Peak Fool---------

Of course you can’t refute anything I’ve said, as to be expected.
The Great Satan™ writes: Saturday, March, 22, 2008 10:31 PM
Not even close.

----What is embarrasing is the fear that "americans" display when confronted with the truth........anamericanfriend--------

Fear? Try anger at the filth thrown at us from some of these black churches. Wright should be ranting about the democrat plantation designed to keep blacks dependent on the govt.
anamericanfriend writes: Saturday, March, 22, 2008 10:40 PM
the great satan
It is not me either so please don't imply that you are describing my beliefs.
How is it that Farrakhan silenced MLK and cite verifable evidence that Obama is an ideological supporter of Farrakhan.

anamericanfriend writes: Saturday, March, 22, 2008 10:52 PM
neoconscum
now you'decided i'm black. sorry to disappoint you but you're wrong as usual. i never said anything about victimhood i only questioned the lack of honesty on the part of white Americans when it comes to race. You people attack the teaching of Reverand Wright you should honestly be more concerned about the teachings of your own church and how they stand up to the teachings of the baby jesus. contrary to popular belief christian does not equal american.
K.G. writes: Saturday, March, 22, 2008 10:55 PM
Don't poke at the alligators
Barack and his friends in the MSM are giddy that we are now free to engage in a "much-needed racial dialogue." Bad idea.

Right now most whites are carefully walking on eggshells, bending over backwards not to offend, keeping quiet. Right now most whites go months, maybe years without even thinking about race except when placed in a situation where the wrong (perfectly innocment) word could subject them to being called a racist.

These and posts on other blogs show that it might be a good idea to just keep these alligators beneath the surface and not poke at them too much. Otherwise, a bunch of angry white alligators are going to come raging out of the water and bite a bunch of peeps in the rear. It will get ugly and will help no one.

The so-called post racial era should be just that. Just simmer down and pretend racial issues don't exist (except for genuine Civil Rights violations which should always be prosecuted.)

If everyone agreed to turn a blind eye and deaf ear for a decade or two, declare a moratorium on talking about race, and I bet racism would just disappear from benign neglect.

It's Jeremiah Wright and others in the race industry that keep troubling the waters. Last year he got paid $1.3 million to do it.

Let's look at skin color the same way we look at eye or hair color. A physical characteristic that's pretty much irrelevant.
The Great Satan™ writes: Saturday, March, 22, 2008 10:55 PM
anamericanfriend
Anamericanfriend, I misspoke about “silencing MLK”, I was thinking of Malcolm X. Farrakhan and Wright share the same ideological views, Wright has been Obama’s mentor for 20 years, therefore Obama shares the same America hating views as Farrakhan. All three are "on the same page."
anamericanfriend writes: Saturday, March, 22, 2008 11:10 PM
Disengenuous
to compare Wright's Christian Black Liberation Theology with the teachings of Farrakhan and the Nation of Islam. It is like saying that since Islam, Judasism and Christianity share some views they are all on the same page.

As for "misspeaking"this sort of "misspeaking"if not questioned ends up parading as fact on message boards such as this all over the internet.
anamericanfriend writes: Saturday, March, 22, 2008 11:11 PM
Disengenuous
to compare Wright's Christian Black Liberation Theology with the teachings of Farrakhan and the Nation of Islam. It is like saying that since Islam, Judasism and Christianity share some views they are all on the same page.

As for "misspeaking"this sort of "misspeaking"if not questioned ends up parading as fact on message boards such as this all over the internet.
clarityseeker writes: Sunday, March, 23, 2008 1:23 AM
Certainties reveal themselves...
...even when some attempt to hide them.

It is amazing how the Truth rises, even from the acrid smoke wafting from the slick-tongued Obama. I do not like being played for a fool.
Nope.
This guy has not answered those most important questions pertaining to his judgement, and, his honesty. These are indeed characteristics, when showing themselves as lacking, these cannot be easily assuaged.


K.G. writes: Sunday, March, 23, 2008 1:24 AM
Who Cares?
anamericanfriend,

Who cares (but you?) In the minds of the voters, it's a distinction w/o a difference. Who cares if there are indeed differences between Black lib theology and Nation of Islam. The average voters will not vote for a candidate with ties to either one of these radical groups. It's obvious that Wright has ties with both and now so does Obama since in the public eye he is joined at the hip with Wright.

They are conjoined twins and no amount of MSM spin can separate them. Obama comes off looking like an IslamoMarxist, even if there is no such thing.
Joe C. writes: Sunday, March, 23, 2008 8:46 AM
It is clear...
from these posts that the only remaining racists left in America are Black and White Democrats. I wish they would give up their hate and join us conservatives in the color-blind meritocracy we have built in our communities.
K.G. writes: Sunday, March, 23, 2008 8:56 AM
Joe C.
Amen, brother.
Patriotic Liberal writes: Sunday, March, 23, 2008 12:57 PM
K.G.
Come off it. You are saying that Barack is bad in debates or impromptu remarks? That's ridiculous. Or that Barack is guilty of using the teleprompter? Or guilty of the sin of articulate speeches? What is your argument but a simple imputation of empty huckesterism on the man?! Fine. Barack is a huckster. A phony. And a scared little child. You see right through him.

You don't think we know we are going to hear those arguments? Those, and worse. But at the end of the day, as your candidate likes to say, the American public will decide whether they will believe you Reeps once again? or if this time, they are going to believe their lying eyes? The assault on Barack's character--vicious, nasty, lying--will occur. Set your watch by it. It will make HRC seem like a walk in the park. But in the end, this election contest is truth speaking to power. Forget the economy, forget Iraq, forget Katrina--although these are the consequences of toxic leadership. In the end, this election is about moral backlash. It is about rescinding the moral authority of those who claimed it, but did not deserve it. And in that sense, the attacks on Barack will--in the months ahead--actually prove Barack's point..
The Great Satan™ writes: Sunday, March, 23, 2008 2:08 PM
anamericanfriend
----Disengenuous to compare Wright's Christian Black Liberation Theology with the teachings of Farrakhan and the Nation of Islam….anamericanfriend……….

Wright’s ravings were no different than Farrakhan’s. In 1984 Wright accompanied Farrakhan on a trip to Libya to see Qaddafi. 5 years later Qaddafi had a PanAm airliner blown out of the sky killing 170 people. These are the types of vermin Wright and Farrakhan associate with.
cottoneyed writes: Sunday, March, 23, 2008 2:52 PM
Neo, Clarity, OHM, 86,
and the rest, ya' know who you are, this "peak oil" trash is not worth responding to, he's virulently anti-semitic, discussing so, and for me, this is my last post concerning this scum, and i would urge the rest to follow suit, he adds nothing to the discourse but bitterness and bile.
cottoneyed writes: Sunday, March, 23, 2008 4:22 PM
Wright and Farrakhan,
2 peas in a pod, cut from the same cloth, heckle and jeckle, these 2 see eye to eye, and i have witnessed firsthand, this melding of Christianity and islam in the prisons that i was involved with in our church's prison Ministry, this was several years ago, on occasion, we would stay, and see services conducted by other outreach ministries, it was during these times we saw this take place, black Christian Ministers, espousing a similar message that we heard from Wright, and also, referring to Malcolm X, and the Koran, blending it all together, and the message was, black separation, quite frankly we were surprised the prison allowed this, because it was definitely, a "us versus them", message, the fact that "God is no respecter of persons", seemed to be lost on these Ministers, it was poison then and it is still poison today, especially so, when espoused under the banner of faith.
Patriotic Liberal writes: Sunday, March, 23, 2008 4:31 PM
Peak Oil
Looks like you're gonna get the old silent treatment, if Cottoneyed has his way. They don't mind engaging Democrats here. But they want a Democrat who can TAKE a punch, not one who punches 'em back. So the "game-changers" have formed a pact to simply ignore us counter-punchers. It is like being banned. It is the way this generation of conservatives deal with uncomfortable realities.

In a weird way, they get punished. They are enforced to endure the ravings of Lecture Master CharityShrieker with a straight face. They have to deal with little control freaks like Neo, or peevish clods like Cotton or S/A86. The likes of them have to live with the likes of them--which is a nice form of justice, in a way. In the mean time, brother, keep posting. It is high time these youngsters learned you cannot ignore, or mock, the life out of truth.
K.G. writes: Sunday, March, 23, 2008 4:33 PM
Running on a Real Record
To PatLib

Part 1

I'm saying the masses swoon over Obama because of his unique speech-making ability.The ability to inspire people to follow your vision is a necessary gift in a leader. I'm not denigrating his speaking talent in any way.

My problems with Barack are two:

(1) His lack of real achievement. Yeah, he is intelligent, graduated from Harvard Law, was even editor of the Harvard Review. But that alone hardly qualifies one to be POTUS. He's been elected to the Senate, but there were some dirty tricks and good fortune at play. He had been in the Senate one year when he started his run--after saying himself that he lack experience and "is a firm believer in knowing what you're doing."

In this I see him as no different than HRC. In my daily life I see all kinds of people with a long list of actual accomplishments: Having a vision and actually building a team to implement it, starting businesses and keeping them going, meeting payrolls, hiring and firing, making really important decisions where there is huge accountability and liability. If I make a bad business decision, people don't get paid. People don't eat.

Forgive me if I'm missing something, but I don't see accomplishments in the very thin resumes of either BHO and HRC that have prepared them for the most demanding, accountable position on the planet. The buck has never stopped with them that I know of. We see no record of solid accomplishment on which to judge them. Running good campaigns, maybe. But that's not the same as running the country.
K.G. writes: Sunday, March, 23, 2008 4:36 PM
Running on a Real Record
Part 2

(2). Frankly, I would not be voting for a Dem in any case. I believe the nanny state exacerbates the problems it promises to fix. If the principles the Dems espouse worked, then New Orleans would have been a shining city on a hill.

However, I tried with an honest ear to listen to the speeches Obama made on his Oprah tour. I didn't hear a new vision for America. I heard the some ol', same ol'. I'm going to raise taxes and fix government. Only this time we need to unite and do it together.

What is THAT? Maybe I missed it, but I don't know what he wants us to do? March on Washington so he can get his programs through in spite of Congressional opposition?

So, my second problem is I don't see him putting forth a solid vision. To me all I hear are fantastic generalities not specific plans.

We've had Johnson's War of Poverty. The social problems are greater now than ever. Here's a news flash. Government will always be dysfunctional. Why? There is no accountability, and the consumer has no leverage. I fear nationalized health care because I will have no leverage. Right now, if our HMO doesn't provide well for our employees, we pull our money and go elsewhere.

So, what are Obama and Hill going to do that's any different than Dems in the past? Obama preaches a cataclysmic change, but what is it?
K.G. writes: Sunday, March, 23, 2008 4:37 PM
Running on a Real Record
Part 3

If I am going consider either one of them as qualified for the most difficult position in the world, I need to evaluate (1) Their specific vision and (2) What past accomplishments prove they can be successful in implementing their vision.

Maybe you can fill me in if I've missed something. But for now, all I see in Obama is an intelligent but inexperienced, nicely-dressed, polite young man who speaks well at the pulpit (so to speak), but whose speeches lack anything I can sink my teeth into. His vagueness scares me. Who is he? How has Rev. Wright and his liberation theology informed him? What makes Obama (or his followers) believe can run the country? He's never run anything as far as I know. We are left with hope as a flimsy substitute for a record.
NeoConScum writes: Sunday, March, 23, 2008 5:17 PM
Cotton...It's A Wonderful Cartoon..
Blovie Boy is so darn neglected and NEEDY that he's jumped into the kip with the Paulbot Jew Hating-Southern American Loathing, Lube boy.

It just keeps getting better. Extreme Needyness has always offended me, but this is so far off the boards that it's a True Hoot.

Some days, at the ends of Near Perfect Political Weeks, are just too wonderful. And all we had to do was, well...Nuthin'.
Patriotic Liberal writes: Sunday, March, 23, 2008 5:52 PM
K.G.
First of all, I appreciate your reasonable posts. Your opposition to the Welfare State is principled and interesting. And I agree with you that Barack's lack of a record is a shortcoming. That's how it is--you never get the perfect candidate. Imperfection comes with human fallibility.

I would say that our team has been in the wilderness over the past quarter century. Your's has been exercising the reigns of power. The problems facing our country now--strategic blunders squandering lives, treasure, and moral capital, the rise of consumerism and the decline of virtue, spendthrift government, toxic business and political leadership, a declining economy and an eroded middle-class--are largely a function of conservatism. If the Dems relied too much on the nanny state, the Reeps have shifted to delicate public/private balance too much to the other side. And, as a result, we have government that is bought and paid for, which is beholden to private interests (corporations are the new political machines), even at the expense of the public interest.

The Boomer generation has made a muck of conservatism. The evidence of that moral failure is all around us. It is a moral failure on the order of the much more publicized and famous failures of Boomer liberalism. Americans are getting wise, which is why a man like Barack, with limited experience but vast promise, has a shot.

Running short on time. Easter celebrations with my family. Hopefully, we'll dig you later..
Patriotic Liberal writes: Sunday, March, 23, 2008 6:01 PM
'Conscum
Whatever you say, chump. Seems to me that "extreme neediness" hears what it wants to hear--which describes you to a tee.

Have a nice Easter, sap. I need louses like you like I need gangerine. Have fun with your little sewing circle--you guys deserve each other.
NeoConScum writes: Sunday, March, 23, 2008 6:28 PM
Hope, Hope, Hooooppppeeee...Hope Fo'
Chaaaannnnggggeeee...Change, Change, Chaaannggee..
Change fo' Hooooppppeeee...Rush, Rush, Ruuuuuush..
Rush the Maaaaannnn...O'Yeah!

Clo'de'Doe on yo'way'out, Blovie Boy...
dantana writes: Sunday, March, 23, 2008 9:18 PM
Trent Lott method of judgment....
How is it that Farrakhan silenced MLK and cite verifable evidence that Obama is an ideological supporter of Farrakhan.


Using the Trent Lott/Strom Thurmond extrapolation method of guilt by association.....Obama should give up his run for the presidency.
hunterson writes: Sunday, March, 23, 2008 10:15 PM
No one who cannot plainly disavow
911 conspiracy wackjobs or AIDs conspiracy wackjobs should be a serious contender for the Presidency.
clarityseeker writes: Sunday, March, 23, 2008 11:12 PM
hunterson
Fascinating as it is.........those pathetic liberals coming on this site entirely overlook your very valid point, and go right to castigating conservatives.
It's indicative of this Leftist "loop" they operate in.
Whatever happens-------they immediately chastise conservatives, their counterpoints, their arguments, their queries. There remain no genuine introspection.
It's all self-involved, narcissistic, Boomer Liberlism, at its best.
Boomer liberalism is alive, breathing fire, expressing itself, and attacking conservatism.

Its pathetic.
K.G. writes: Sunday, March, 23, 2008 11:16 PM
Can't Disagree, PatLib
Just finished with the family and religious services. Hope yours were good also.

I appreciate your answer. I believe you really are a patriot and I appreciate that too. I hear you. The boomers have made a lot of messes and continue to do so. Including messing up their opportunity to make conservatism work.

Your are right. There are no perfect candidates and some of the better ones got thrown from the bus during the primaries, at least on the Republican side in my opinion.

To be honest, I have asked myself: If Obama were the same inexperienced guy, but shared my values and principles, would I be voting for him, hoping he could pull it off? I might take a chance.

I guess I'm a little pissy about Obama because people are so quick to lie down in the street in a swoon. I say, let's get a grip. If, in the cold, hard light of day he's your best choice, so be it. But let's not be reaching for the smelling salts.

The country's so large and diverse, with so many groups with competing desires, mostly self-serving. So many are like the squirrels that hang out at our local campground. The more people feed them, the less they forage for themselves and the more demanding and frightening they become.

I am persuaded that the best thing for the country and its people is conservative principles: low taxes, which spur the economy, personal responsibility (don't make me pay for your stupid, self-indulgent mistakes), national sovereignty by actually securing the border, sensible laws which we actually enforce, close adherence to the Constitution, and a small effective government.

Well, PatLib, we didn't get that with Bush, did we? I certainly cannot defend our turn at bat. I cannot. But I believe that an unrestrained lib agenda will just make things worse. I don't see how they could possibly help.
clarityseeker writes: Sunday, March, 23, 2008 11:21 PM
Boomer Liberals...
Attack the general elections of 2000, even after independent investigations done by such large newspapers such as, Miami Herald, found no improprieties at all.

HOWEVER, they cannot even run an in-party primary without a huge cluster-****. And they have nothing to say about this, Curly, Larry, and Moe routine the Democrat Party is embroiled in.
WHY?

'Cuz, their too busy attacking conservatives for their queries about some yahoo candidate which America knew little of---then to discover that he's associating in a 20 year relationship with a hate-monger reverend. And, this is simply the first time journaists, MSM, has engaged in anything akin to "vetting" this yahoo.

Pathetic. There will be no hope for the Democrat Party given there is no introspection.
Patriotic Liberal writes: Monday, March, 24, 2008 8:36 AM
Looks like the Lecture Master..
..is back in business. Hey CS, does an original thought ever pass into your flat and unimaginative skull? Or do you just expropriate and redirect the thoughts of others?
Patriotic Liberal writes: Monday, March, 24, 2008 8:49 AM
hunterson
Barack unambiguously disavowed Rev. Wright's frothings. He simply refused to disown the man. I understand in right-wing circles that disowning people is the modus operandi. That is your problem, not Barack's. Over here, where people are more humane and less barbaric, people are entitled to have wrong opinions without having their character assaulted.
hunterson writes: Monday, March, 24, 2008 10:59 AM
Patriotic Liberal, Obama did not disavow
Wright at all.
He is a typical politican, wanting the benefit of Wright's synchophant following, but not the implications of having an avowed life long career racist as his 20 year pastor and mentor.
And for you, who pathetically attempts to reduce any critique of BHO into some sort of racist attack, to claim that your side is more civilized is the true laugh out loud irony.
No other American candidate would even be in the race at this point if he or she was openly and for decades- until just the last week or so- a part of a blatantly racist church.
You might think that deserves a refrain of what is apparently one of your favorite songs, but I find it disgusting, along with a lot of other Americans from all walks of life.
K.G. writes: Monday, March, 24, 2008 11:03 AM
Have to Disagree, PatLib
I'm trying to be fair and not partisan, but I just can't make the Wright/Obama thing square in my mind according to Obama's explanations. I don't think it's fair to dismiss our misgivings.

First of all, if I remember correctly, Barack didn't disavow any specific frothings, just the ones "that cause discomfort or hurt." It's like the annoying non-apologies that say: I apologize that you were offended--w/o apologizing for the actual offense.

Barack also told Major Garrett if he heard any of those things he would have quit the church. That was a stunning statement...that doesn't square with his speech in which he implies he's very aware of the frothings, disavowing them, but not quitting the church.

Which is it?

But there's more. Why align yourself with yourself with a person whose opus you disavow? Barack side-stepped the answer to that question, and that's what's bugging us.

It makes him look deceptive. Certainly not forthcoming.

K.G. writes: Monday, March, 24, 2008 11:04 AM
Have to Disagree, PatLib
Part 2

My suspicion is he was reared and educated in the white world where none of this was on his radar. He joined Wright's church as a political calculation. Even tho at some point Obama "decided to be black," whatever the rantings of Wright that he did hear, this Hsarvard educated lawyer dismissed as the typical rantings of the black church. Not to be believed, but more or less ignored as crazy black stuff.

Now he's caught. He cannot admit he joined the church as a cynical ploy to get votes even tho he's now as horrified as we are at the rantings and frothings. I suspect he never really focused on Wright's sermons much. Maybe never attended that much. Or if he did, he just blew them off as business as usual of the black church.

Apparently Wright's style and substance are not unique. So, indeed, Obama is as dismissive of what Wright said at the pulpit as most of us would be of the rantings of the crazy uncle at Thanksgiving dinner.

Who knows what Wright actually believes? Just as Obama joined the church for political reasons, perhaps Wright goes crazy at the pulpit for financial ones.
hunterson writes: Monday, March, 24, 2008 12:17 PM
Peak Oil, you are an idiot
Whether fueled by ignorance or animus, it really does not matter.
You decline to engage on the fact that for 20 years your guy was an active and enthusiastic member of a racist organization.
Republicans would never accept a david Duke, but democrats seem very able to pretend that a claim of disassociation, less than 2 weeks old, is sufficient for your empty suit.
Instead you try and blame us for accurately quoting his pastor and pointing out that BHO's book was titled in honor of Wright.
That might work for mind-numbed lefty robots, but it will not work where people are still thinking.
The issue is not Republicans, no matter how you wish it were so.
The issue is BHO as a 20 year part of a racist church.
The way to destroy a lefty is to accurately quote him or her.
The way lefties wreck Republicans is to lie about what they so or do. As you try to prove here.
SEEHAWK writes: Monday, March, 24, 2008 12:43 PM
Peaky
You do know that Al Gore used the Willie Horton incident in ads first?
eddie too writes: Monday, March, 24, 2008 12:47 PM
McCain's cabinet.

VP -- Huckabee
Sec of State -- Liberman
Sec of Defense -- Hunter
Attorney General -- Brownback
Sec of Treasury -- Paul
Sec of Homeland Security -- Giuliani
Sec of Commerce -- Romney
Sec of Interior -- Tancredo
Sec of HHS -- Thompson

That is a strong lineup and if announced soon would be a strong campaign team.
eddie too writes: Monday, March, 24, 2008 12:48 PM
As for BHO,

"birds of a feather" 'nuf said!!!
SEEHAWK writes: Monday, March, 24, 2008 12:51 PM
Peaky
In Georgia 40% of all abortions are done on Black women(and that is a typical percentage nation wide) If not for the DemocRat Party's stance on abortion, it would be illegal. Therefore, the DemocRat Party has encouraged the genocide of Blacks. Those chickens did not come home because they did not hatch....so take your Southern hatred & bigotry and peddle it at Kos, where they like bigots.
eddie too writes: Monday, March, 24, 2008 12:54 PM
If Obama and his supporters

believe all white's are racists, he should not bother asking for their votes because he will never get them.

Blacks who believe like Rev. Wright talks are doomed to lives of anger and frustration.

America has changed for the better in terms of race relations. To deny this, is to doom yourself to perpetual despain, not hope.

BHO speaks of hope and champions despair for black people and black people are eating it up.
SEEHAWK writes: Monday, March, 24, 2008 12:57 PM
Eddie too
Like it but Sec. of Treasury, should be Walter Williams or Thomas Sowell. Maybe (Dr.)Ron Paul could be head of CDC or General of Health (can't remember the post's real name)
eddie too writes: Monday, March, 24, 2008 1:02 PM
Seehawk,

I never thought of them initially, but you are right. Either one would be an excellent Sec of Treasury.
K.G. writes: Monday, March, 24, 2008 1:46 PM
Hey, Eddie
Your line-up has merit, except for Huck. Impressive on the stump, but has some crazy baggage that would be exploited and become the issue. Remember all those "pardons?" Remember all those ethics violations? Remember the doghanging cover-up scandal? Remember how he turned off Mormons with his bigotry, lying about it and his cynical use of anti-Mormonism in Iowa?

Those things will become the same albatross in the general election as Wright has become for Barack.

Back to the drawboarding, mate.

Patriotic Liberal writes: Monday, March, 24, 2008 2:55 PM
Hunterson/K.G.
From Barack's speech

***But the remarks that have caused this recent firestorm weren't simply controversial. They weren't simply a religious leader's effort to speak out against perceived injustice. Instead, they expressed a profoundly distorted view of this country - a view that sees white racism as endemic, and that elevates what is wrong with America above all that we know is right with America; a view that sees the conflicts in the Middle East as rooted primarily in the actions of stalwart allies like Israel, instead of emanating from the perverse and hateful ideologies of radical Islam.

As such, Reverend Wright's comments were not only wrong but divisive, divisive at a time when we need unity; racially charged at a time when we need to come together to solve a set of monumental problems - two wars, a terrorist threat, a falling economy, a chronic health care crisis and potentially devastating climate change; problems that are neither black or white or Latino or Asian, but rather problems that confront us all. ***

That seems pretty clear to me. While Barack was not going to reject the man, he clearly rejected his views. Like I said, men of character do not disown their friends simply because they say stupid things.
K.G. writes: Monday, March, 24, 2008 3:26 PM
PatLib
I've never said Obama should reject the man. Far from it. Politically or morally, it would be wrong-headed.

Just trying to figure out why Obama hasn't rejected Wright's "profoundly distorted views" before now--when it has become a political necessity.

I'm trying to get to the bottom of what makes Obama tick. What are his motivations for going to this church in the first place and staying in it when Wright's sermons contradict all that Barack "says" he stands for?

It seems where you and I separate is you take Obama at his word and I suspect his speech was just another political calculation.

The speech and Obama's actions just don't add up. I'm left to conclude that when Obama was looking for black votes, he was doing the bobble-head thing in the pew.

And now that he's looking for the white vote, he is denouncing Wright if not rejecting him. I just can't make this work for me. I like a straight-shooter and a straight-thinker. I don't think that's what's goin' on here.

hunterson writes: Monday, March, 24, 2008 3:31 PM
Peak Oil, at long last have you no shame
We realize you have no pride or intelligence, but have you no shame?
Using a man's legitimate *initials* instead of his first or last name is now a racist code?
What a load of poop you try to sell.
I like his initials becuase they sound good.
Was the use of "JFK" a secret anti-catholic code?
Was "LBJ" a secret Texas code?
That your side is reduced to confabulaiton of plots and hallucinating secret racist patterns, instead of actually dealing with issues, only shows why your side will lose the election.
It is very simple:
BHO is a member, until at least very recently, of an overtly racist political group disguised as a Church. He ahs close, 20 year old ties to this church.
He has not categorically rejected the racism or paranoid wackjob of his mentor at that church.
BHO has no real record to run on. He has not passed any significant legislation.
He has not led anyone anywhere to do anything.
So we are left with a guy who speaks really well, has done nothing and is part of a racist religious group that blames American conspiracies for everything from 911 to AIDS.
I choose to not vote for a person like that.
You, in your feeble-mindedness, call that racist.
I don't really care.



one hot minute writes: Monday, March, 24, 2008 3:46 PM
comments for K.G.

K.G.,

Can you imagine if a white politician had said that 'the most influential male' in his life during the past two decades was a pastor who had a track record of saying deragotory things about blacks ?
His career would be over, 5 minutes after the broadcast of that evening's newscast.

Only in an Orwellian universe can a candidate (Obama) who brands himself as a "unifier" and a "healer" be married to a woman who says she's never been proud of her country AND be a man who attends a church where a Reverend who theatrically pleads with God to d-a-m-m-m-m-n America.

As you suggest in your posts, the math just doesn't add up.
K.G. writes: Monday, March, 24, 2008 4:11 PM
to one hot minute
Yup. It's sad actually. Someone in Barack's unique position might have been a unifier, or at least a voice for racial reason, but just the opposite is happening. But alas, his perceived duplicity has tarnished his cred on the subject.

I hold little hope for unraveling this stupid race situation. You are so right. Remember the brouhaha a few years ago over the word "niggardly?" The hyper-sensitive race industry screamed foul until they were forced to read their dictionaries, where they discovered niggardly is a Scandinavian-derived word that means stingy.

The double-standard is insane. I feel sorry for Imus and Dog the Bounty Hunter. I found their language offensive, but I believe they meant no harm. Their crime was to imitate black entertainers. And now it appears preachers.

Dog even said he made the mistake of thinking he was a brother. Imitation is supposed to be the highest form of flattery. However, in the case of race-talk, blacks can say the most outlandish things imaginable and whites dare not open their mouths.

Orwell wouldn't believe it himself.

clarityseeker writes: Monday, March, 24, 2008 4:36 PM
O-B-A-M-A...O-B-A-M-A
OBAMA
A man whose not been vetted (not by the press).
A man people know little about.
A man whose most valuable woman in his life, his wife (understandably so) has made clear some rather myopic comments about America. (nothing wrong with that for anyone other than presidential candidate).
A man whose most important male role model in his life is a Black Nationalist pastor spewing hate-filled beiliefs (fine for anyone other than president).
A man whose record is firmly established as the most radical LEFT in all of the Senate (as reported by the non partisan, National Journal).
A man who has voted along his party line over 97%.


And Liberals and Leftists on this site and across the country are going to have you believe that he is going to bring "unity" to politics?
He is going to build bridges?
He is going to transcend race?
clarityseeker writes: Monday, March, 24, 2008 4:39 PM
...
Obama has the Leftists, pathetic Liberals, progressives, socialists, AND, kids convinced he's going to be"

the "unifier"
the "bridge builder" across party lines
the, "trancender" of race...
(with his record?)

the aforementioned are free to believe whatever crap they choose to. Reality is yet another matter.
K.G. writes: Monday, March, 24, 2008 5:23 PM
To clarityseeker
Yup, people are free to believe whatever for whatever reason. That's a huge problem in a democracy.

Remember the oft-quoted remark attributed to Churchill: "Five minutes with the average voter is the best case against democracy."

The ominous word in your post is "convinced," but their conviction is based on nothing. Whatever Obama might do as POTUS, he will not be a unifier and bridge-builder. That's my biggest problem with him. He's peddling an emotion and peeps are buying it.

His candidacy is built on a fantasy, real only in the hopeful minds of the convinced. Were he to win, there will be sore disappointment. Whatever people assume he's selling, he cannot deliver. Who could?

But that will not stop them from voting for him.
Patriotic Liberal writes: Monday, March, 24, 2008 5:28 PM
K.G.
It is natural enough to distrust the motives of people with which we disagree.

My point is that as insane as the talk emanating from black neighborhoods is--they say the barbershops are even worse than the pulpits--it serves no purpose to simply disavow it. We go back a long way with our black countrymen. Was a time when America was referred to as a "biracial country." It does not hurt to put aside our self-insistence and hear what they have to say. Is much of it crazy? You bet. Does it reflect sloppy and undisciplined thinking? Sure. But listening is not capitulating. Listening is a courtesy we extend to our countrymen by virtue of our shared history. You know, we really need to trot the term "reactionary" back out when we talk about contemporary conservatism. Whatever happened to that word?

Barack bridges the divide. Many conservatives like the fact he does not have slave ancestors--like his wife and daughters. That does not mean he forfeits his right to identify with the black experience in this country. And although we may grow impatient with black self-insistence--I know I sure do, and I think Barack does as well--there are ample examples, on these very threads, of guys who are intentionally and culpably self-deceptive on matters concerning race and reconciliation. It is better for our country when people acknowledge their racism and work from there, than to pretend that racism is a non-issue for elevated souls like themselves. I personally prefer more white and less black. And I don't think it is particularly a problem. But I do acknowledge that there can be no reconciliation without fessing up to these kinds of attitudes, even as I demand that black folks fess up to their poverty of values.
SEEHAWK writes: Monday, March, 24, 2008 6:08 PM
Peakster
I ask again, you do know Al Gore used the Willie Horton ad against Dukais first?I'm sure you know that.
And Al Gore's dad voted against the Civil Rights Act? And all the segragationists were Democrats. And the KKK was first formed to terrorize Republicans?
Tell me you know something true just some little something???
Patriotic Liberal writes: Monday, March, 24, 2008 6:43 PM
Peak
It's a sweet deal for Reeps like Shehawk. You get the moral credibility of being in the party of Lincoln and the votes from the party of Jefferson Davis. Nice. You get to cluck cluck cluck at the Dems for their historic role in the grave injustice of slavery and later segregation, while picking up the activist support of the children of slave-holders and segregationists. Sweeeeeet. All the moral authority without any of the burdens. Must be nice to form a worldview without having to worry about respect for our heritage--to disrespectfully and usurpatively expropriate the moral birthright of others and claim it as one's own..
clarityseeker writes: Monday, March, 24, 2008 6:49 PM
New York Times today...
...calls reverend Wright a "Prophet"

Reverend Kenneth L. Samuel of Stone Mountain, Georgia calls reverend Wright a "Prophet".

Reverend Kenneth Flake, Jamaica Plains, New York, calls reverend Wright a "Prophet"

Paddy, SEEHAWK, help me out here---you are better versed in religion than me. I thought "prophets" were those who made the LISTENER feel uncomfortable.
They did not crap on the others.
That's CHEAP "prophecy". That's CHEAP "grace".
Prophets, as I understand it, are not demogogues.

The black preachers above seem to be saying, "You're okay, I'm okay". "It is THEY, who STINK". That's demogoguery.

The prophet, as I understand it, tell the listener that they are the ones who have moral problems to address---the LISTENER, that is.
The person in church.
"YOU ARE THE PROBLEM", prophets profess.

BUT---if "Whitey is the problem", in a black church, teh parishioner goes home----TICKED OFF at white America---and----thinking that he/she is absolutely fine.

That is not what a PROPHET is as I understand it.

Paddy O', I could use your help on this. You are pretty sharp on this stuff.

SEEHAWK, am I wrong on this New York Times and BLACK preacher use of "PROPHET"? You are erudite on things of religious nature.

McTex, you seem to have some knowledge of religion--far surpassing mine. How about you?

ONE HOT MINUTE---any feedback on this?
K.G. writes: Monday, March, 24, 2008 7:01 PM
To PatLib
OK...I'm willing to listen. I'm willing to attend a black church or a black barber shop and listen. I actually find it pretty amazing and amusing. Have you Googled "James David Manning video?" But I would love to understand where people are coming from. I don't mean to sound condescending.

And I'm willing to concede there are true, hurtful racists among all groups. I do make a distinction, however, between the guys who dragged James Earl Bird and folks like Obama's grandmother, who make might some racial remarks but their hearts hold no racial animus.

But I wish people of color would afford me the same courtesy. I frankly don't know any black people with whom I could have a frank discussion. But I have lived in South America, speak fluent Spanish and have had some discussions along these lines with Hispanic friends.

Here's what I see. I am white living in a white world. Race means nothing to me. It's not on my radar. I live in San Diego. In some situations I'm a minority. I don't think about it. But it seems to me that for people other than white, race seems to be at the top of their list. Everything's about race. I'm not blaming them, but I wish it weren't so.

My hispanic friends are convinced we anglos look down on them. They cite as evidence that we are "cold" to them. To me this is funny. Anglos tend to be cold compared to blacks, hispanics, south pacific islanders, etc. "We are cold to each other," I insist. They don't believe me. I am white therefore I must be racist.
K.G. writes: Monday, March, 24, 2008 7:03 PM
To PatLib
Part 2

So, if Obama could somehow open a dialogue where people of color would listen to us whites, the ones who really are not racist and have great sympathy for their feelings, that would be good.

I'm pretty tired of having racism imputed to me where none exists. So are most whites. Especially white conservatives.

In my opinion, the ball is the black court. We've done all that we can do at this point. Obama needs to change black thinking. Maybe he can. I hope so because their false assumptions hurt them.

I am not the enemy. It would be good if Obama could make that case.

K.G. writes: Monday, March, 24, 2008 7:06 PM
To PatLib
OK...I'm willing to listen. I'm willing to attend a black church or a black barber shop and listen. I actually find it pretty amazing and amusing. Have you Googled "James David Manning video?" But I would love to understand where people are coming from. I don't mean to sound condescending.

And I'm willing to concede there are true, hurtful racists among all groups. I do make a distinction, however, between the guys who dragged James Earl Bird and folks like Obama's grandmother, who make might some racial remarks but their hearts hold no racial animus.

But I wish people of color would afford me the same courtesy. I frankly don't know any black people with whom I could have a frank discussion. But I have lived in South America, speak fluent Spanish and have had some discussions along these lines with Hispanic friends.

Here's what I see. I am white living in a white world. Race means nothing to me. It's not on my radar. I live in San Diego. In some situations I'm a minority. I don't think about it. But it seems to me that for people other than white, race seems to be at the top of their list. Everything's about race. I'm not blaming them, but I wish it weren't so.

My hispanic friends are convinced we anglos look down on them. They cite as evidence that we are "cold" to them. To me this is funny. Anglos tend to be cold compared to blacks, hispanics, south pacific islanders, etc. "We are cold to each other," I insist. They don't believe me. I am white therefore I must be racist.
K.G. writes: Monday, March, 24, 2008 7:34 PM
Definition of a Prophet
To ClaritySeeker,

I'm going to chime in here. When I listened to the wild sermons of James David Manning (Google "James David Manning video" raging against his own congregation for criticizing him for not supporting Obama, I kinda got it.

These preachers see themselves (I think) as Old Testament prophets, calling their people to repentance. OT prophets used some pretty bold language to get their attention and shake some sense into them. Speaking in the name of the Lord, they prophesied all kinds of curses upon the people if they didn't change their ways.

The problem is, there is no reason to believe that these so-called prophetic pastors are truly the likes of Jeremiah et al and actually speak to the Children of Israel in the name of the Lord. They don't speak in the name of any Lord I ever knew.

So, while it might be said that they call people and nations to repentance and pronounce curses in a manner somewhat akin to OT prophets, true prophets of God.......uh, you decide.

In my opinion, these guys are perverted caricatures of real prophets. The New Testament gives us the key: By their fruits ye shall know them.
clarityseeker writes: Monday, March, 24, 2008 9:14 PM
K.G.
Thanks.
I read you loud and clear:
"In my opinion, these guys are perverted caricatures of real prophets. The New Testament gives us the key: By their fruits ye shall know them."

FYI
I listened last week to the reverend Manning from NYC. No liberals here could understand his message of espousing the taking of personal responsibility and accountability for one's actions. Lefties and Liberals cannot tolerate the Thomas Sowell's, Shelbey Steele's, Larry Elder's, Juan William's, and others either---same messages.

Since you brought him up, though.......what the heck is a "Mac Daddy"?
Hey----have fun on your field trip to a "liberation theology" camp.
K.G. writes: Monday, March, 24, 2008 10:23 PM
To clarityseeker
Yup. In spite of Manning's uh, ..vibrant style, I didn't find much to disagree with. In fact, I gathered a couple of my adult children (not letting the youguns' listen) around the UTube and we were applauding as well as hooting.

I had to apologize to them for rearing them in such a boring church as we go to. But not to worry. I believe his "You nap--headed people don't know to pore pi-- out of a boot," will go down in our family lore.

Of course, we plan to use it on ourselves, not others. You have to admit, his sermon was memorable. I won't forget it soon.

The hypocrisy of the left is so cruel to blacks, who deserve better and need better. So sad the way the libs disparage Sowell, Steele, Steele, Rice, Thomas, Elder, Powell, Cosby et al. These people are awesome role models for us all.

Speaking of prophecy, those who call right wrong, and wrong right, should not surprise us. Depress us, but not surprise us.

PS: I haven't the slightest idea what a Mack Daddy is? We got the prophet thing down. But can you help us with the Mack Daddy, anyone?

BTW: I've already had been to liberation theology camp. I lived in Chile during Allende's first presidential attempt. Got stoned with rotten peaches for being an American. And that was during JFK's presidency, so I couldn't blame a Republican.

In fact, the Marxists called him the Yankee Pig in Washington. Now we might be putting a Marxist in the White House. Times, they are a'changing'. See? It's all about change, bro.

Ohmygoodness. I tried to post this with a direct quote from Manning and it woudn't let me use the word. What you can't post on the Internet, certain peeps can say over the pulpit. Amazing!

one hot minute writes: Monday, March, 24, 2008 11:55 PM
Peak Oil & Al Gore

Peak Oil,

Al Gore was first to bring up Willie Horton's furlough against Dukakis.
I believe he brought it up in a 1988 Democratic primary debate.

K.G. writes: Tuesday, March, 25, 2008 12:25 AM
To One Hot Minute & Peak
Hot Minute is correct about Gore and Willy. Common knowledge. In the general, Bush picked it up and used it to great advantage.

Don't forget, Senator Daddy Gore was an (in)famous Tennessee racist. Fought against Civil Rights.

And MLK was a Republican.

Poor Peak. I'm sincerely sorry for your pain and the stuff you've suffered. But you could kill every Pub on the planet and your racial problems wouldn't go away.





Patriotic Liberal writes: Tuesday, March, 25, 2008 2:48 AM
Peak
I almost agree with you. It seems to me the Bushs have perfected that unholy nexus of business and politics. On balance, they are bad for America. Nice guys. Bad for America.
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