Wednesday, March 19, 2008
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President Bush On Iraq Today
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Posted by:
Hugh Hewitt at
8:00 PM
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The president's powerful and succinct statement of the stakes:
“The surge has done more than turn the situation in Iraq around -- it has opened the door to a major strategic victory in the broader war on terror. For the terrorists, Iraq was supposed to be the place where al Qaeda rallied Arab masses to drive America out. Instead, Iraq has become the place where Arabs joined with Americans to drive al Qaeda out. In Iraq, we are witnessing the first large-scale Arab uprising against Osama bin Laden, his grim ideology, and his murderous network. And the significance of this development cannot be overstated. The terrorist movement feeds on a sense of inevitability, and claims to rise on the tide of history. The accomplishments of the surge in Iraq are exposing this myth and discrediting the extremists. When Iraqi and American forces finish the job, the effects will reverberate far beyond Iraq's borders. Osama bin Laden once said: "When people see a strong horse and a weak horse, by nature they will like the strong horse." By defeating al Qaeda in Iraq, we will show the world that al Qaeda is the weak horse."
HT: Michael Goldfarb, who contrasts the consequences of America's resolve in Iraq with those of Israel's withdrawal from Gaza.
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And Bush has exactly how much credibility?
If the BBC and other independent sources were saying such things, then you might have something to write about.
This kinda reminds me of all the Heritage Foundation executives tooting their own horn on the Foundation's anniversary.
Ring's hollow.
I'll tell you what doesn't ring hollow.
Hillary Clinton on Super Tuesday got more votes than all Republican candidates combined. Stack that up against the polls that puts McCain ahead of Obama you've been tooting today.
Republicans are living in a cocoon. As if the housing crisis, stock market, and other bad economic news isn't going to play out the way Bill Clinton said it best, "It's the economy stupid."
The only footing the Republicans should be on right now is the "we are about to get our a**ses handed to us on Nov. 4th, what can we do about it?"
Instead, you all will keep up the denial.
Way to live in some alter reality.
I guess after having been the Mitt Romney guy for all those months it is a place you are very comfortable with, eh Hugh?
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why don't we paint the map RED? tried that or what if we put a Mormon in the White House? that didn't work either. So I can't understand why you are trying to sabotage Bush. Why don't you go to work for McCain 08'? One minute McCain is the only one who can save our troops the next you claim Al Qaeda is a weak horse. Is this your version of scare tactics? |
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We don't care whether Iraqis get Democracy...not a BIT nor do we care if the "surge has worked."
ALL we care about is reducing spending on nation building. Spending 3 trillion that is not payed for other than debt is unacceptable.
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“And Bush has exactly how much credibility?”
A hell of a lot more than anyone with the name or tied to the Clintons or Obama.
:If the BBC and other independent sources were saying such things, then you might have something to write about.”
The BBC is an independent source? BWAAAAAAAAAAA Put the kool-aid down buddy.
“Hillary Clinton on Super Tuesday got more votes than all Republican candidates combined. Stack that up against the polls that puts McCain ahead of Obama you've been tooting today.”
So what. So did Bob Dole against Clinton in '96. It's meaningless.
“Republicans are living in a cocoon. As if the housing crisis, stock market, and other bad economic news isn't going to play out the way Bill Clinton said it best, "It's the economy stupid."
Clinton? You mean the man who left the country in a recession and with the stock market bust - the dot com bubble implosion and corporate scandals abounding? That Clinton? Yeah I think the American people aren't as stupid as you think they are. I know of no one who blames the President (or the Legislative branch for that matter) for the small increase in defaults in housing loans. Crisis? What a laugh. The crisis was that the inflation in housing was too steep and was hurting the middle class and poor. This is a very good thing. The stock market is doing just fine buddy - even with all you left wing fascists intentionally talking it down to hurt the economy to help your candidates.
“The only footing the Republicans should be on right now is the "we are about to get our a**ses handed to us on Nov. 4th, what can we do about it?"
McCain will win Pennsylvania, New Jersey, Michigan and California. Take that to the bank. Your party has embraced left-wing anti-American radicalism and will lose in an Electoral College landslide.
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It is impossible to tell whether you are a real American or an al Qaeda agent.
Seriously, I would I know the difference? |
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Seriously, how would I know the difference? |
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I still haven't been told what Bush lied about.
I've know the intelligence services are screwed but Bush lied? Knowingly?
I'm sure I'll get a link to Mother Jones/Seymore Hersh article.
BTW, when all of you nit wits start complaining about entitlement programs as loudly as you do the occupation, I'll take you seriously as to your concerns about spending.
Till then, it's pure political posturing. |
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4 or 5 Muslim thugs, viciously attacked Rabbi Uria Ohana, hitting, and kicking him, while on the ground, all the while chanting in unison, "Allah Akbar", "Allah Akbar", once again we see the religion of peace, and it's adherents being "peaceful", but of course, liberals tell us that it's our fault, "God Damn America", right "post holer", right "peak oil", right Rev. Wright, right obama, right Calypso Louis, right briggsbrobby, we don't have anything to worry about, if we can just get rid of these Jews, and these Jew lovers, these root of all evil, NEOCONS, right "peak oil". Then the world will be all better.....Allah Akbar, Peaky!!! and what the heck is a "post holer" or are you just dumb as one? |
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--------4 or 5 Muslim thugs, viciously attacked Rabbi Uria Ohana, hitting, and kicking him, while on the ground, all the while chanting in unison, "Allah Akbar", "Allah Akbar",-----
These islamic swine should have their arms and legs broken, then deported back to their Crapistan of origin. |
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Amnesty loving president ever. |
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Seriously - how would I know that you are not an al Qaeda agent? Really dude - you post the same lies that they do.
"Accusing those who do not go along with the current crimial in the WH of being criminals, is old and worn out GOP talking points."
See you make the same lying attack against our CIC as Bin Laden does. To seditiously lie about the President by calling him a criminal during war time is a treasonable offense. You should be charged and brought to justice. And I say this with no angst or emotion. It's just the facts dude.
"America is sick of this crap. It never worked on me. If it makes you feel good to worship at the feet of Boosh the Leper, be my guest. I won't tell anyone."
It's obvious you can live with being a traitor. It's obvious you could care less if you give aid and comfort to our jihadist enemies who would destroy you in the blink of an eye if they could. It's obvious you are their little pawn who does their dirty work for them by spreading seditious lies against our leader and government which results in more deaths of our soldiers, contractors and allies, including innocent women and children.
You have blood on your hands and I am sad Bush hasn't had the cojones to bring you to justice. However I sleep well knowing that God is just.
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Another irrelevant poster.
Someone who got so tired of the pervasive vitriol, vile-hate-speech on Daily Kos and HuffPost, he decided to come here to share that only version of love he knows. |
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Gawd, is the Iraq war all you've got??? My guess is that the only reason you bring up the present past is because you don't have the mental capacity to go back any further. #1, your liberal friends in the press don't report all of the good that is being done in that country. Secondly, not to diminish human life, but, there have been less American lives lost in the last five years than on the streets of L.A., Chicago and Washington, D.C. during the same period of time, and that includes accidental deaths. Why don't you liberal weenies tackle the problems on our streets instead of trying to diminish the good that the U.S.A. does???
Besides, your boy would cut and run, and that is un-acceptable.... |
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Serious question for you. Do you think Peak Oil takes a kind of sick pleasure (is it called fruedenshade?) knowing that he is making al Qaeda supporters cheer with his seditious lies or do you think he is so brainwashed by his anti-American vitriolic left-wing hate that he truly believes his demagogic fallacies?
His ilk always reminded me of the people who yelled the loudest during their one minute of hate in 1984... |
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“Please teach me Super Patriot. I need to know what a "real American" really is. Can I be a big tough patriot like you some day? “
Okay I will teach you how a Patriot opposes a war. They do so with honesty and integrity. They persuade without denigrating our leader, our mission, our government and our soldiers so as not to give our enemy aid and comfort. They never use hate speech or disgusting seditious attacks such as you have.
You said the President tortures people. That is a lie and you know it is a lie. By spreading that lie you are doing the work of al Qaeda. I think you know this but you don’t care because you enjoy dividing this country and you take sick pleasure in hurting the President.
“Oh please let me be a fear/warmonger like you.”
What irrational fear do I elicit in you? How am I a warmonger? By spreading lies against a fellow American you again show that you are not a patriot but the exact kind of person that al Qaeda wishes for because you promote a divided house.
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"The Leper may be your leader, but not mine in any way shape or form. Read it (probably for the first time) and weep Tex..."
Talk about read and weep. Here is the Constition that you so despise. And unless you are not an American, Bush is your leader. To deny that during wartime is an act of treason against our Constitution and there are more than two witnesses here to validate your treachery.
Article II
Section 1. The executive power shall be vested in a President of the United States of America. He shall hold his office during the term of four years, and, together with the Vice President, chosen for the same term, be elected…
Section 2. The President shall be commander in chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the militia of the several states, when called into the actual service of the United States; he may require the opinion, in writing, of the principal officer in each of the executive departments, upon any subject relating to the duties of their respective offices, and he shall have power to grant reprieves and pardons for offenses against the United States, except in cases of impeachment.
Yes you have freedom of speech but not the freedom to use said speech to lie, slander, libel, defame, commit sedition or commit treason.
Article III
Section 3. Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.
The Congress shall have power to declare the Punishment of Treason, but no Attainder of Treason shall work Corruption of Blood, or Forfeiture except during the Life of the Person attainted.
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Somebody post some links from credible news sources
about Bush knowingly lying about Iraq; where he saw intelligence and knowingly contradicted the facts in front of his eyes..
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I am not compelled to give it any additional thought. He's irrelevant. |
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Bush is kinda like that but McCain is dumber somehow. Our Party has dug to the bottom of the barrel in search of awful candidates. |
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Bush's assertions of the great progress is prematute at best. The real test of the surge's success will only be measured by what happens after the extra troops have been withdrawn. Considering the lack of political or sectarian reconcilliation, the recent uptick of violence following the initial withdrawl of surge troops, the situation in Basra following the Brittish withdrawl, not to mention a major elephant in the room, Mugtada Al-Sadir. Personally, I'm not particularly hopefull that the current gains in security will hold once the extra troops have exited, and Al-Sadir takes his 60,000 plus troops off ice. |
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The official line from 'Shrieker when confronted by one superior to him in knowledge and authority. "He's irrelevant." To be said in an aloof tone, with a flip of the hair and a turn of the nose--like the head cheerleader snickering at the poor math major. |
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I agree with you that there is a patriotic way to dissent--and I think you outlined it pretty well. I would agree with you that dissent can be conducted in a principled manner consistent with the highest ideals of our country. And I agree with you that we have one President at a time.
At the same time, dissent must be able to speak the truth to power. The truth must be legitimate dissent, wouldn't you agree? Or would you?! Are we who dissent from Bush's blundering and exploitive wartime leadership not allowed to speak the truth? Take waterboarding: if it is torture, and the President expressly permits waterboarding, then it seems to me the President has sanctioned torture. Am I missing something? Or are you vested with a higher vision of logic than A=B, B=C, therefore, A=C?
Now, I will give you that maybe you do not think waterboarding is torture, or maybe you think the President only implicitly allows waterboarding, but here too, you are using bold, strong--excessively bold and strong--language arising out of nuanced and secondary distinctions. You are claiming "treason" and invoking witnesses and all that kind of stupidity--given how serious treason actually is when it is committed (I am opposed to the death penalty EXCEPT for treason). No wonder conservatism is in such a bad way. It has lost its clarity. It has turned the serious business of war and peace into partisan triviality. |
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The deposing of Saddam and the success of the surge and the Petraeus counterinsurgency strategy against al Qeada is working and was more or less predicted at http://www.strategypage.com by James Dunnigan and Austin Bay before the outbreak of hostitilies in Iraq.
In short, hyper-violent islamic radicals have surfaced before throughout history and this time is no different. Their attrocities against infidels were supported by other arabs and muslims in the past until the jihadis came home and started doing the same stuff to their countrymen. The radicals became unpopular, lost their support, and got clobbered by their countrymen. It's a pattern that's occured in the past and we are witnessing it today.
Here is a key graph from an Austin Bay article in January 2003 before the war in Iraq started:
"...The massive American build-up around Iraq serves as a baited trap that Al Qaeda cannot ignore. Failure to react to the pending American attack would demonstrate Al Qaeda's impotence. For the sake of their own reputation (as well as any notion of divine sanction), Al Qaeda's cadres must show CNN and Al Jazeera they are still capable of dramatic endeavor."
"This ain't theory. Al Qaeda's leaders and fighters know it, and the rats are coming out of their alleys..."
Hugh posted the part of Bush's speech that he did is becuase it is indeed the key to understanding the huge strategic prize that is within our grasp:
Look closely at that graf again, see the defeat being handed to al Queda in Iraq (ironically, they are having their heads handed to them), and tell me again why we should pick up and leave when a huge strategic victory is within our grasp.
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"The liberty we value is not ours alone,"
"Freedom is not America's gift to the world; it is God's gift to all humanity."
- GW Bush
Mark my words kids, these words have legs and the man who said them and the soldiers who gave their lives will have solidified their legacy because of the changes that are coming to Iraq....and the Middle East.
Iran is next.
Inconsequential sissies like Peak Oil and his Kos buddies are just background noise; irrelevant to history. |
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It's not so much that Bush lied. Rather, he saw want he wanted to see and did not see what he did not want to see. He listened to those who told him what he wanted to hear. That simply is not good enough for the President of the United States. The job requires some judgment. GW was simply not big enough for the job.
As for the talk about freedom being a gift from God, not America, you are right--it is a fantastic turn of the phrase that reflects important truth. My guess is that it will redound through history in the form of a juxtaposition between rhetoric and reality.
As for Bush's lectures about the costs of the war, he is not an uninterested party. And he already has a record of angrily and derisively shooting down cost arguments that later proved much more accurate than his own.
Bottom line is that the Iraq adventure conferred some benefit--you better get SOME value from a trillion bucks and 100,000 lives. If a trillion dollars does not buy ANYTHING, even without the Bush "Strong Dollar policy," we've got a real problem. The problem is not that it did not confer some benefit--Saddam is gone, the surge/insurgent outreach has sort of worked--but that it did not confer a trillion bucks worth of benefit--to say nothing of the loss of life and our country's moral capital.
9/11 meant America had the resolve to fight terrorism in all corners of the globe--especially the Middle East. But that still doesn't mean money grows on trees. You got to make smart choices. And Iraq was not a smart choice. Iraq was a stupid choice. It was a type of monumental and generational stupidity. We would have been much further along in the GWOT if we had simply contained Saddam and kept up the pressure, and used the expenditure to advance our cause along the several avenues it must be fought. |
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Vastly Historically significant. The ankle nippers will be long-long forgotten. Pygmies. He has been The Right Man. Steadfast. Strong. Determined. Undeflected by the packs of venomous snarling dogs. Like a very similar president '45-53, who was(Horrors!)even more "unpopular", he met the challenge and changed the world. The Dwarves never derailed him.
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That's right. We pygmies just don't understand the greatness that is you.. |
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You are absolutely allowed to speak the truth. The law ultimately must decide what is torture and the law has decided that waterboarding is not torture. Now however you can disagree with that law and still argue that it is torture. But notice how you changed Peak Oil’s words to “sanctioning” torture? Peak Oil accused OUR President of torture. He crossed the sedition line which means he is a propaganda pawn of our wartime enemy. And for that he should be brought to justice – what that justice should be I fully admit I have no opinion. Maybe a fine. May sometime behind bars. He should not be hanged for it, IMHO. However, Dennis Kucinich and Al Gore should be hanged for their treason which they committed overseas and because of their positions of authority as known American leaders. The aid and comfort they gave to al Qaeda was vastly greater and had a much more malevolent impact upon our troops, their morale, our enemy’s morale and our war efforts than anything Peak Oil writes.
“you are using bold, strong--excessively bold and strong--language arising out of nuanced and secondary distinctions. You are claiming "treason" and invoking witnesses and all that kind of stupidity--given how serious treason actually is when it is committed (I am opposed to the death penalty EXCEPT for treason).”
Regarding waterboarding, I don’t really see the comparison to the real torture that people like John McCain endured. However after undergoing waterboarding I may change my mind. This is a fair debate and one we can have reasonably as patriots, no?
However, I am not using excessively strong language. Peak Oil is. And I guarantee you that I believe with all of my heart that if John Adams, George Washington or Thomas Jefferson were alive and read Peak Oil’s comments they would calmly say “well call the AG and let’s get this man charged with sedition under Article III Section III”. |
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“No wonder conservatism is in such a bad way. It has lost its clarity. It has turned the serious business of war and peace into partisan triviality.”
Once again you make excuses for the wrong side my friend. You excused the NYTimes when they committed libel & put it on Page 1. You excused Obama when he threw his grandmother under the bus and when he justified his joining and financially supporting a racist movement. And now you excuse sedition merely because the traitor happens to be a dem. That is why liberalism is rotten at the very core. You have abandoned all your principles just for the sake of power at any cost.
I know you understand the ramifications because ultimately you know that Peak Oil isn’t the truly guilty party here – Hillary is – Harry Reid, Pelosi, Murtha and Durbin are. These are the leaders of your Party and ideology. You understand that if you were to admit Peak Oil’s guilt you would have to levy responsibility upon the truly guilty causing the loss of all power Democrats have been able to yet attain. So you hold on to that power at any cost to the Republic – even if it means crushing all unity and destroying any good that OUR Republic may be doing at home or abroad – merely to serve your party’s self interest of achieving political power while destroying their political opposition.
This is why a President takes an oath to defend the country against enemies be they domestic.
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Don’t you see that you and your party have played apologetics for immoral agents now for too long? Or has it become second nature? If you want clarity of reason then quit justifying away unscrupulous, demagogic, malicious and seditious behavior. Like David Mamet, say ‘shut the F up’ to the Left and enough is enough. How much longer can you stand the stink of the gutter?
Pat Lib, let me ask you this. What point is there in having laws and a constitutional section against sedition if the gov’t is too cowardly to prosecute it during wartime? What message does that send to the more scurrilous amongst us? And I am not only talking about a right-left divide. What if the roles were reversed and your party was in power and fighting this war? Would you really excuse such sedition from militia-friendly right-wing nuts? What precedence does that set – doesn’t that simply encourage them to grow and move beyond sedition into outright acts of treason? When is enough enough?
I bet I know. Enough is enough for you once a democrat is in the White House.
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Neo,
Fifty years from now, when the ankle biters are old and gray and looking back to make sense out of their own lives, they'll prop up their grandchildren on their knee and inform them how they supported the liberation of Iraq way back in '03.
They'll engage in revisionism just like the anti-anti-Communists of the Cold War who called Reagan a 'kook' for characterizing the Soviet Union as 'the Evil Empire' presently engage in revisionism by declaring they were with Reagan on the right side of history in that.
After all, there are 10 million baby boomers presently running around claiming they "were there" at Woodstock.
Ha, ha, ha.
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Once again, Mr. Sedition, Hoover embraced liberal economic policies.
Why do you liberal fascists always lie about such basic historical facts - facts anyone can easily find out and expose you on? It's mind-boggling. I guess you, like your hero Hitler, believe the bigger the lie, the more they will believe.
Read from Lawrence Kudlow today:
"It was Hoover who signed the Smoot-Hawley trade-protectionism act and overturned the Coolidge-Mellon tax cuts. These disastrous measures -- along with monetary contraction from a fledgling Federal Reserve -- turned a recession into a depression. FDR didn't help matters, either. His misbegotten tax hikes on successful earners and businesses, and his alphabet agencies to control the industrial and farming sectors, extended the depression and held unemployment near 20 percent.
Today, it's the Hill-Bama Democrats who want to raise taxes on successful producers. And they want to turn protectionist by reopening NAFTA and stopping any new open-trade treaties. Schumer himself has spent years bashing China, threatening the nation with huge tariffs if its currency policies don't conform to demands.
If anyone has resurrected the party of Hoover, it's today's Democrats. They've adopted pessimism as their national pastime, and want us to believe we're already in a long and deep recession." |
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Many people here that I respect fall for what I believe is a huge fallacy. You suggest that the sedition or lies of the left are irrelevant and that in time the left will be shown for being the treacherous or naive idiots they are.
I wish that were so but it assumes a progression towards a better world – a kind of conservative embrace of utopianism. But if you are familiar with Scripture, namely the book of Revelation, then you know it just aint so.
Times will get much worse. The left will ultimately defeat us. The history has already been written. Those who “refuse the mark of the beast will be prohibited from buying or selling”. The anti-Christ will unite the world with his oratory to the point that “even the elect were almost deceived”.
This is why I wanted to vomit when I read conservatives say - oh just let the dems win and they will be so bad that in 4 years we will win the Congress and White House back. In 4 years the USA may be no more.
Look, the left was willing to steal an election with the whole world watching and fought to keep a rapist felon in the White House with DNA on the dress - what makes you guys think that they won’t find a reason to declare martial law?
And why do you forget that the Left won 5 consecutive elections during a depression and devastating war with a red-leaning commie in the White House?
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“Why not build the camps…put them to death?… You would make a good SA man…”
Again you are using a false dichotomy. Why not let all murderers out of jail? Why prosecute murder at all? Sedition is a crime. Murder is a crime. You are not a murderer, I would assume, so you have no problem prosecuting that crime. However you are a traitor and now want people to look the other way.
And you lie against people who would challenge your treason. You would mock them and denigrate them. That’s what Hitler did. You are the one committing sedition and you have the cheek to attack me for recognizing it? (Yawn…) how pathetic.
“Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel.”
Samuel Adams’ comments are in regards as to what he viewed as false patriots, like you. Look what else Sam Adams said, "A patriot is he whose public conduct is regulated by one single motive, the love of his country; who, as an agent in parliament, has, for himself, neither hope nor fear, neither kindness nor resentment, but refers everything to the common interest."
Sam Adams had people like you in mind with his scoundrel critique.
“…I served this country as a US Marine.”
So what? That somehow excuses you from being a traitor? Hitler served Germany honorably in WWI. Benedict Arnold served honorably as a colonel in the Continental Army until his treason in the Revolution. Military men can be traitors just like any other citizen.
“I will speak my mind as I see fit.”
No you will not. You will speak your mind as the Constitution sees fit! And I pray God will deliver us a leader that will enforce that Constitution and make you pay for your crimes against our Republic.
“You are a babbling idiot.”
I’d rather be that than a traitor!
"The leader of genius must have the ability to make different opponents appear as if they belonged to one category." -Adolf Hitler
You mean how you tried to make me look like a Nazi because I objectively confirmed your sedition? |
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Peak Oil:
"...Boosh the Leper will be judged as the most rotten scoundrel to ever pollute the White House. The next prez will need to completely fumigate the old house and bring in an exorcist to rid it of the evil stench that now thrives there..."
Dude, get a grip, you're starting to sound like Hugo Chavez...
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Actively, consistently, continuously enforcing existing laws will send the message that we are serious about our laws. Changing them to accomodate people breaking them sends the opposite message. And not just to those already here. Millions are waiting to see which tack we take. Amnesty will set off a stampede like we have not seen before. Enforcement will start the flow in the other direction as the jobs and benefits dry up. Those pushing for amnesty are for surrendering to the demands of the illegal aliens and their employers, abandoning the rule of law and surrendering our sovereignty. We should not change the laws to suit those breaking them.
The primary responsibility of the U.S. government is to protect the territorial integrity and people of this country. They have completely abdicated this responsibility. Both parties have been complicit in this. We are being told it is not possible to control our borders, enforce our laws, and thereby control our destiny as a nation. Hogwash. We are being sold out by corporations intent on importing workers for jobs that can't be exported with the taxpayers paying the true costs, financial and human. If we act like sheep and don't stop the inundation across our borders, we will lose our country without a bleat. |
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grindingly, relentlessly predictable. Like bantyweight Oceana editors. If they say it...well, then, it must be true!
Who can forget the Haughty-French-Looking John Kerry(Who, did you know, served in VietNam!)telling voters that 'we were all against Communists during the Cold War'. NO, S-Bird, you weren't, nor were many of your prissy fellows. He and his buds tried to prevent Ronaldus Magnus from deploying the Pershings in Europe. And, he and his buds were packing junket planes to Nicaragua to kiss the camoed arses of the Stalinist Commandantes as they butchered 10,000 Miskito Indians for 'Land Reform'.
McT: Just a suggestion, but it's very useful to keep in mind, when dealing with Peaky, that the Marine Vet is commenting from the patient's computer in the day room at Serenity Oaks Asylum. Helps keep things he says in context. Do not let him approach with ANY sharp objects. Make very sure he gets his meds. Semper Fi, Maleen Devil! |
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It is a hoot (rhymes with "coot") when Reeps cite the most socialist President in our history--HST--as the example of how history changes the reputations of men. |
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Your post at 1:28 is really loopy. Are you the same guy as McTex? I thought you had some sense. Well, with posts like that, I'm sure you'll be welcomed into the fold in very short order. |
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NeoConScum wrote,
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"Who can forget the Haughty-French-Looking John Kerry(Who, did you know, served in VietNam!)telling voters that 'we were all against Communists during the Cold War'. NO, S-Bird, you weren't, nor were many of your prissy fellows. He and his buds tried to prevent Ronaldus Magnus from deploying the Pershings in Europe. And, he and his buds were packing junket planes to Nicaragua to kiss the camoed arses of the Stalinist Commandantes as they butchered 10,000 Miskito Indians for 'Land Reform'."
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Neo, it all reminds me of that knife fight scene early on in "Butch Cassidy & The Sundance Kid" when the other guys in the gang (except for Sundance) are un-supportive of Butch because they believe Butch will lose the knife fight to the big guy.
But after Butch wins the fight, they all praise Butch by saying, "Hey, Butch, I was with you all along---I knew you would win !"
Likewise, in '52 the Democrats were ready to throw Truman under the bus for fighting the Commies.
Now the Dhimmicrats claim him as one of their icons. |
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You guys are the greatest. What would brilliant genuises like Kudlow and McTex have done in 1931 and 1932? The authorities had already tried the supply-side route. Assets were liquidated and capital had shifted from "less efficient" to "more efficient" hands. It didn't work. National income was imploding, unemployment burgeoning to one quarter of the population. The Great Depression (or what supply-siders might call the "Great Vacation") was on.
Now, I'll give you the Fed blundered badly. They basically confused excess reserves with unwanted reserves. Central banking was less advanced in its understanding than it is today. In fact, one can argue, with Minsky, that the lack of deep depressions since the 1930s has been the function of the big bank and big government. It creates inefficiencies, but it also takes some of the teeth out of the credit cycle by creating a baseline strata of demand.
But politically, where Hoover stood, people were muttering about all kinds of radical ideas--communism, fasicism, Huey Longism ("every man a kind, tax every dollar over one million"). What the hell was Hoover supposed to do? Easy to sit on a perch 75 years later and cluck cluck like a hen over "liberal" policies. Hoover was dealing with massive upheavel, one which his innate conservatism failed to cut-off at the pass. If you look at '31 and '32 like an adult, wondering how the world looked through the eyes of those who were living it, some government action might have seemed long overdue. If you look at those years through the eyes of a child, you might say: "hey! they didn't stick to our conservative principles!! frigging fascists!" |
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That's right. Republicans were completely down with Truman's foreign policy. That's why McCarthy accused the Truman Administration of harboring communists and why he accused Truman's Secretary of Defense (George Marshall) of treason. The Reeps were with Truman every step of the way.
The Dems pitched Truman because they knew he would not win. Approval rating was in the 20s. He had effectively served two full terms. America's patience had faded with HST, and with the Dems generally, truth be told. They tried to restate the liberal argument with Stevenson. It might have worked against Taft, but against a national figure like Ike--no way.
And while the "BC and the SK" knife fight metaphor definitely is an apt way to think about the way the world works, it is laughable--contemptible, even--that the Dems bear the sin of that behavior. You are waaay gone. So far down the muckhole of partisanship that you cannot see the transcendent truths. It's a pity.. |
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But, oh goodness, I could'da sworn it was moi you were asking.
Pygmies. Nasty, sullen, self-serious dwarves. God, I'm enjoying Operation Chaos to the max.
OHM: Try, for even a nano-second, to imagine today's Democrat Party from the eyes of Give 'um Hell Harry! Only Joe Lieberman & Zell Miller would be invited to his table from that side. Plenty of what HST never dreampt, he'd be inviting legions of the Republicans. He'd have considered his old party as having lost its soul and testicles. Which is EXACTLY why I never voted for them after '80. |
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"Your post at 1:28 is really loopy. Are you the same guy as McTex? I thought you had some sense. Well, with posts like that, I'm sure you'll be welcomed into the fold in very short order."
The one reason I enjoyed sparring with you is because you tended to pepper your attacks with some substantiation. Your rant here is just good old sophistic liberal whining.
What specifically do you disagree with? I thought you said you were a Catholic - surely you have read the Apocalypse?
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I love it. Only a liberal would dendend Hoover against the attacks made by Howard Dean and Senator Shumer (sic?) and forget that it was Howard Dean and Senator Shumer who he was arguing with.
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!! |
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I may be Catholic, but I always draw a distinction between predictions and knowledge. |
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If you want to have a private conversation with OHM, why don't you give him a ring?! Until you frauds kick me out, I'll comment on whatever the heck I want.. |
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Those predictions are contianed in God's Word and they will come to pass. I also respect knowledge and wouldn't dare claim that they will come to pass in my lifetime.
Again what specifically do you disagree with? |
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..is now the Party of Jeremiah Wright. Whew! |
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