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Wednesday, April 18, 2007
Cho an 'Imminent Danger' in 2005, According to Court Records (Update: Gunman Sent NBC Pics, Video During Massacre)
Posted by: Mary Katharine Ham at 4:14 PM

I don't think I've seen this anywhere else yet. Earlier, Allah had a round-up about Cho's mental state, including speculation that he was schizophrenic.

The Richmond Times-Dispatch has gotten ahold of court records from a run-in with Va. Tech administrators and the law enforcement from 2005. The records are from shortly after a pair of Fall 2005 incidents in which Cho harassed two women on campus. Both women complained to campus police, but didn't press charges.

I confess I'm confused as to whether the stalking is why Va. Tech officials brought him to the judge, or if the timing is just coincidental. The article doesn't make that clear. I'm also confused as to whether this is the same mental-hospital/counseling center stint Cho's roommates told Paula Zahn about last night.

I'll see if I can work it out.

The Times-Dispatch has obtained court records that Cho Seung-Hui posed"an imminent danger to himself as a result of mental illness" inDecember 2005 but was released to receive outpatient treatment.

A Montgomery County magistrate issued a temporary detention orderDec. 13, 2005. Cho was "mentally ill and in need of hospitalization andpresent an imminent danger to self or others as a result of mentalillness, or is so seriously mentally ill as to be substantially unableto care for self and is incapable of volunteering or unwilling tovolunteer for treatment," the order states.

But a licensed clinical psychologist came away with a different assessment:

Cho, who was listed as 5-foot-8 and 150 pounds, was brought in byVirginia Tech authorities and was examined the next day by a licensedclinical psychologist.

The doctor, who works for a private practice in Blacksburg, reportedthat Cho's "affect is flat and is depressed," but "he denies suicidalideations. He does not acknowledge symptoms of a thought disorder. Hisinsight and judgment are normal."

He went into outpatient treatment.

After the December 2005 psychological examination of Cho, a specialjustice in Montgomery County Juvenile and Domestic Relations Courtfound that Cho presented "an imminent danger to himself as a result ofmental illness," but that he "the alternatives to involuntaryhospitalization and treatment were investigated and were deemedsuitable."

Cho was ordered by Paul M. Barnett, a special justice in Christiansburg, to receive outpatient treatment.

Update: Holy schnykies.

Sometime after he killed two people in a dormitory but before heslaughtered 30 more in a classroom building Monday morning, ChoSeung-Hui sent NBC News a rambling communication and videos about hisgrievances, the network said Wednesday.

Network officialsturned the material over to the FBI and said they would not immediatelydisclose its contents pending the agency’s review beyond characterizingthe material as “disturbing.” It included a written communication,photographs and video.

The network said it would release a statement shortly.

Update: A timestamp of 9:01 a.m. is what told NBC the package was sent in between the shootings, about an hour and 45 minutes after the West A.J. dorm shooting and the Norris Hall massacre. It contains pictures, video, rambling writings, including more ranting about the "rich." Cho talks to the camera in some of the video, which was sent to the NBC president, and NBC says it will air some of it tonight.

There's a picture up on the MSNBC website that features Cho pointing both weapons menacingly and wearing the khaki vest he was said to be wearing during the massacre, according to several eye witnesses.




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Dsmith writes: Wednesday, April, 18, 2007 4:45 PM
Tell Hugh
CNN is reporting that the shooter mailed correspondence to NBC News..mailed to the MSM? OMG - didnt the shooter know that Michael Barone, VDH and Steyn are the only reliable gatekeepers of information in this new media age - now these correspondences to the MSM are all tainted and just does not allow us to get to the bottom of this terrible incident.
Steve writes: Wednesday, April, 18, 2007 5:20 PM
The Shooter: Islamic Link
There's very important material reachable on my site, accessible by clicking on my name above, about the Virginia Tech shooter, who apparently called himself Ismail Ali. The information comes from Jerry Bowyer, one of the most influential conservative figures (and writers) in Pennsylvania. He is VERY reliable.

steve
IfAFrogHadWings writes: Wednesday, April, 18, 2007 5:23 PM
roommate
CNN interviewed his roommate, and a dorm neighbor. Cho would research girls online and then stalk them. He had an "imaginary girlfriend," a "model" that he called "Jelly." He was "Spanky." Cho's favorite music: Shinedown.
Founding Father writes: Wednesday, April, 18, 2007 7:01 PM
Bubba to you...
After listening to you over the last couple of days I’ve come to the conclusion that perhaps you should not blog. It only continues to reveal your idiocy.

independant thinker writes: Wednesday, April, 18, 2007 7:22 PM
Steve
Hush Hush now.....dont say islam you might offend some of them. Ill bet theirs alot his "rantings" that have some corealation to religon of peace.
independant thinker writes: Wednesday, April, 18, 2007 7:27 PM
Bubba to you
Get over it !........Hitlers been dead for a long time, I believe in some seperatist theories but your wacked if you think the "zionist's" are the problem try the term bolshavic its histories term for the modern liberal.
SCATTERSHOT writes: Wednesday, April, 18, 2007 7:50 PM
Mental problems in December 2005 ?
MKH: How did this mental problem bypass instant check database ? December 2005 to March 2007 is 14 months. How did this guy come up clean when Roanoke Guns called in his application ?
tnmccoy writes: Thursday, April, 19, 2007 2:07 AM
Problems?
Never mind the shooter. I think old Bubba here needs some serious psychiatric assistance.
'Tis Himself writes: Thursday, April, 19, 2007 3:05 AM
Re. Press conference Weds. morning
It was stated that there was some sort of psychiatric consult that the wackjob had that the details of which COULD NOT BE DIVULGED TO EVEN HIS PARENTS AFTER HIS DEATH because of his privacy rights.
What the fudge? This is insane.
-Kilroy writes: Thursday, April, 19, 2007 6:42 AM
Confusion over Notes

(excerpt from)
http://kilroyreport.townhall.com/g/ced9b9e8-585d-495c-bc20-46d178eea869
...
UPDATE: In a related story, NBC claimed to have exclusive video and notes made by Cho during the killing rampage and sent to NBC by Cho. NBC News President Steve Capus described the nature of the notes as "incredibly difficult to follow" and "mostly threats and gibberish" and anchor Brian Williams called them "sick business". Those notes were later discovered to be scripts from an upcoming episode of COUNTDOWN - w/ Keith Olbermann concerning Fox News' dominance of cable news ratings. NBC has issued an explanation for the error stating "one cannot ignore the similarities between Cho's delusional rantings and the typical Olbermann commentary".
...
SGRivette writes: Thursday, April, 19, 2007 2:55 PM
New VA law forbides colleges from...
...expelling suicidal students. This law only increases the possibility of what we saw happen at VA Tech, happen again.

What a great concept:

Law abiding students can't be armed for protection from suicidal students who can't be expelled from the college.

As a Virginian, I encourage parents to look at other states for their childrens' college dreams. Our public universities are just no longer safe.

http://www.cavalierdaily.com/CVArticle.asp?ID=29806&pid=1568
glasser writes: Thursday, April, 19, 2007 8:54 PM
Liberal to the end
If we do not take a stand soon, liberalism will be the end of us all.
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