Sunday, February 17, 2008
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Bill Clinton Goes Off on Pro-Life Students
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Posted by:
Amanda Carpenter at
11:24 PM
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Apparently Bill Clinton was still a little hot from his exchange with an Obama supporter in Canton, Ohio when he was confronted by pro-life students at a rally in Steubenville.
There, the former President suggested the students weren't pro-life because they did not actively support jailing mothers and doctors. He also told them, "This is not your rally."
Here is the clip.
In it Clinton says: "Tell the truth, tell the truth, If you were really pro-life, if you were really pro-life, you would want to put every doctor and every mother as an accessory to murder in prison. And you won't say you wanna do that because you know, that you wouldn't have a lick of political support. Now, the issue is who, the issue is, you can't name me anybody presently in politics that did more to introduce policies that reduce the number of real abortions instead of the hot air putting out to tear people up and make votes by dividing America. This is not your rally. I heard you."
Students for Life of America was quick to send out a press release with the YouTube link of Mr. Clinton's outburst.
"Perhaps pro-abortion politicians will finally realize that they can't hide their views from pro-life students," said Bill Valentine, a Franciscan University of Steubenville Students for Life member, in the statement.
Executive Director of Students for Life of America Kristan Hawkins said, "They think they don't ever have to answer questions about their pro-abortion policies or the money they receive from pro-abortion lobbying organizations."
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Bill seems to be getting a bit cranky on the campaign trail, the ole wife must be keeping him on a short leash. |
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A man can get real cranky when he hasn't been able to get laid in almost a year!
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If we pro-lifers really in truly believe abortion is murder, why dont we all call for the death penalty for abortionists?
I am pro life, and oppose all abortions, but I cant say its "murder" since murder is a legal term-not a moral term.
I do think abortion doctors should go to jail however-in answer to Bubba's question which the students never did answer.
silence...they had rather talk about Bubba's bad temper.. |
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Sorry folks - but Bill made fools of those idiots.
Good for him. |
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Sorry folks - but Bill made fools of those idiots.
Good for him. |
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Liberals have conned women into thinking they have the right to play judge,jury and executioner for the baby in thier womb. Women are the standardbearers of morality in society and if you break that down then you have a society that is more suseptable to government intervention. When they are handing out birth control without parent's permission in middle school it's society's endorsement of promiscuity. When the libs sex girls up and create a lax situation in their minds the more likely the girl will become a single issue female voter in elections.They are also likely to have an accidental pregnancy and a path to poverty and government dependency. The dems survive on government dependency.They particuarly love minorities falling into this trap as they cultivate voting blocs.Hispanics who historically have been very pro marriage and family have succumbed to the liberal enticement of free government goodies.
But the liberals have figured out a way to beat people down who disagree with them. The guilt trip on abortion is you can't throw women and doctors in prison for performing abortions. If you're against illegal immigration.you're against people wanting a better life.If you're against cradle to grave welfare benefits, you're a racist.Republicans have just rolled over on these issues because they are afraid of negative press. |
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By that logic if Bill were really pro-choice he'd be advocating for a moratorium on laws banning infanticide, euthanasia, and assisted suicide. See, two can play at that game.
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Actually, if abortion were illegal - those who were part of them would have to go to jail. Classic Clinton, the issue is not necessarily making sure mothers and doctors go to jail. It is making sure babies, as American citizens, have a right to life like it says in the Declaration of Independence.
Allen and his hero, Bill, are prime examples of the difference between normal human beings and Dem/libs. Normal humans think it is unnatural to want to kill babies but Dem/libs think of it as a game as to who is more clever.
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Alright, it is about time the Clinton that the Leftist have idolized is showing his inner self.
Wag that finger, demonize those pro-life young folks, bring back segregation, lie, lie, lie...this great xxx-President will destroy the party of death and with great rejoicing will destroy his worthless wife's pursuit of absolute power! |
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Nothing more than an evil, immoral baby killing prick! |
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Only you would except a false 'either/or' premise to this argument as a logical means to debate a national tragedy. You demonstrate the illogical nature of most 'Pro-Choice (aka pro-abortion) Libs. Do yourself a favor and enroll in a course which teaches logic and debate, than get back to us. KillBill preys upon your stupidity and the ignorance of all those like you. |
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"If we pro-lifers really in truly believe abortion is murder, why dont we all call for the death penalty for abortionists?"
Aside from the "really in truly" lol, who ever said pro-lifers favor the death penalty for anyone? Not that there's anything wrong with that. Abortionists would face whatever penalty is decided by their state.
Pimpernel nailed it, it's just about "life" and protecting the most innocent and defenseless. How clearly I remember Bill Clinton's first actions were to negate all of the movement's small gains toward regulation of this heinous act in a penstroke. We will never stop trying. |
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Yes, pro-lifers crack me up. They want to make laws for women but what about the 2 year old life. We can not even get Jessica's laws passed in 50 states but we can protest what a woman does with her body. Look at all the children, after being born) that are homeless, molested. Children in America going hungry. Children in America living in faulty trailer homes provided by the Government. Children are shooting up our school campuses. What about those lives, once they are not aborted?
Pro-life people are the most violent group of folks in America. |
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Congratulations. You are officially "The Stupidist Person in America". Your certificate is in the mail...C.O.D of course. |
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One day we will all have to reconcile before God, how we stood in defense of those that couldn't help themselves. What a sad day that will be for many people. I'm not being judgemental toward anyone. God is just and no one can pretend to know his thoughts. My conscience tells me abortion isn't ok unless rape on incest has occured.
If what we do is ok, why all the secrecy?
Clinton puts words in Pro-lifers mouths. I would never think to prosecute the mother. The doctor? Absolutely. Take away his damn medical license. What differs abortion docs from Kavorkian? They took his license! |
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I wouldn't send abortion doctors to prison. I would have them executed for committing murder - the deliberate taking of a human life without just cause. As for the mothers, that's a much better question. I could see imposing a maximum sentence in-line with aiding & abetting or being an accessory to murder.
To "Oh No," I fully agree with you that we need much harsher laws regarding child molestation, but you won't find resistance to them from the pro-life crowd. Remember, Conservatives hold as a general principle that one should abide by the law. Furloughs, commutations, and pardons are the specialty of Democrats. |
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Pro-choice or pro-life, either way, this issue belongs to the states. It is made clear in the 10th amendment that these moral decisions are not to be made at the federal government level. By continuing to keep these non-critical issues on the national scene we have given credibility and tacit consent to the megalomaniacs whom usurp powers to which they have no constitutional claim.
Where does it end? |
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I must fervently disagree. I think this is *the* most pressing issue in the country as I very much do believe this to be a genocide that has eclipsed the holocaust four-fold with no end in sight. As someone who holds fundamental rights as being the founding point for my own conduct, juding others conduct, and determining what constitutes the best governance, I find that we cannot claim any stake to rights if we do not recognize that to possess any ourselves, we must first presume ourselves to be alive. |
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I don't doubt your fervor. Only your grasp on the Constitution. The Fed has no right to decide on these matters. The Judiciary has taken a fundamental state right and absorbed it into their ever growing pool of illegal legislation passed from the bench.
Abortion may be abhorrent, but I believe it is up to you, in your state, to make the decision on if it is to be illegal. It is a common liberal ploy to take the issues they know they cannot win, with a grass roots movement on a merit basis, and find a way to push them through our federal courts where they are more likely to gain an outcome they find favorable.
We seem to have fallen prey to the power-mongers' assertions that there is no subject they cannot adjudicate or create legislation for.
The Supreme Court should never have agreed to hear Roe vs. Wade. Their powers are very clearly outlined in our founding documents. Once more, your pushing this issue on a federal level gives Congress, Supreme Court Justices and the Executive permission to make decisions the Constitution says they cannot make.
"The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people." -- Amendment X to the United States Constitution December 15, 1791. |
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I grant that you are quite correct in your understanding of state powers, although I am inclined to think abortion is prohibited under the 5th amendment. For the sake of argument though, let us say it isn't, as you would contend.
Do you believe the Constitution to be a perfect document as is? The tenth amendment is just that - an amendment. To protect human rights, would it not be sensible to enact amendments doing so?
If you believe the Constitution ought to be kept as is, why do you believe so? I have the utmost respect for the Founding Fathers, but I do not believe that we should necessarily keep the Constitution as it was originally written and be beholden to their will (e.g. the 14th amendment was passed well after the Founding Fathers had all perished).
Often I see many "structural" conservatives (those concerned with the structure and where the powers of government lie) make the argument about states rights. As written, you may be right on the Constitution. But should it stay that way? I ask because structural conservatives baffle me, since they often seem more concerned with at what level a policy is being crafted than the content of the policy. |
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I believe our discussion has gone off topic, so I will make this my last post.
My interpretation of the Constitution and the ammendment process is as follows. I believe that our forefathers knew that the world was dynamic and the constitution may, from time to time, require some type of adjustment to keep it relevant and keep us free. The amendment process has been abused in the most horrifying of ways as in the 16th amendment, and has been used to clearly define what the Constitution already implied but did not make explicit like the 14th amendment.
If you want abortion to be put up for a Constitutional amendment, you are more than welcome to find a pliable sponsor in Congress and lobby for just that. My objections are not to your cause, but rather, to your methods. If you want to overturn Roe vs. Wade, I would suggest taking a different line. The head-on liberal vs. conservative method in the national forum has not been effective in our sell-me-your-vote feel good political climate.
You would have much more success selling your line of thought at the state and local level, where such things belong. Start with your neighbors and work out as opposed to starting with the Fed and trying to convince everyone at the same time.
Thank you for sharing your views. I have enjoyed the debate. |
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