Wednesday, August 22, 2007
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Introducing Bill Kristol, Thug!!
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Posted by:
Dean Barnett at
4:35 PM
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The journalistic Romper Room that is The New Republic has belched forth another seminal piece that future historians will use to chart the once great magazine’s decline into extinction. Jonathan Chait, who at 35 years-old qualifies as a grey eminence at TNR, has published a little love note to the Weekly Standard titled “The Thuggery of William Kristol.”
Now it’s true that when Bill hits Boston, we often swing by Morton’s (where we get a complimentary cordial) and then terrorize Boston in my pimped out Honda Element with our posse of Crazy Goldy, Young Joey and the Professor in tow. I make no apologies for this conduct; it’s how we neocons roll.
But Chait doesn’t base his charges of thuggery based on mine and Bill’s notorious gangsta exploits. Instead, he charges Bill Kristol with being a thug because of his handling of the Beauchamp Affair:
The topic was The New Republic's decision to publish an essay by Scott Beauchamp, an American soldier serving in Iraq, detailing some repugnant acts he said he and his comrades committed. Legitimate questions have been raised about this essay's veracity. (We've been publishing updates on our continuing efforts to get answers to them at tnr.com.) But Kristol rushed past these questions, immediately declaring the piece a "fiction." Offering up his interpretation of why tnr would publish such slanders, he concluded, in an editorial titled, "They Don't Really Support the Troops":
“Having turned against a war that some of them supported, the left is now turning against the troops they claim still to support. They sense that history is progressing away from them--that these soldiers, fighting courageously in a just cause, could still win the war, that they are proud of their service, and that they will be future leaders of this country.”
First, I wish the kids at TNR could begin reading the same playbook. Franklin Foer called Beauchamp’s tales “mild practical jokes.” Now Chait has elevated them to “repugnant acts.” At this rate, one of the other enfants terrible at TNR will probably mention Jengis Khan some time next week.
Next, it’s odd that Chait condemns Kristol for thuggery over a dispute in which Kristol was completely correct. TNR did publish a raft of lies that effectively slandered the troops. Everyone with any military background caught the unmistakable whiff of bullshat when they first looked at the Beauchamp Diarists. So, too, did virtually everyone without a military background who hadn’t checked their critical faculties at the door because they personally knew the author.
Lastly, there is Chait’s childish moving of the goalposts, clumsily conjoined with his desperate efforts to change the subject. You’ll note that he is oddly non-committal regarding the Diarists’ accuracy even though TNR’s posse editors (of which he is one) has been doggedly pursuing the truth of the matter for five weeks now and pronounced themselves vindicated at least a couple of times. Later in the essay, Chait denounces “Kristol's assumption that to concede that troops do terrible things in a war is to denounce the war as a whole.”
I don’t want to speak for Kristol here, but there’s a good chance we’re of a like mind regarding this last disingenuous assertion. I’ve said virtually every time I addressed this matter that TNR’s original sin was publishing the sociopathic exploits of one anomalous soldier without putting those exploits into context of the 160,000 men and women who are serving honorably in Iraq. No one is saying that out of a population of 160,000 troops there won’t be some really rotten apples. But we are saying that those 160,000 troops as a unit are the finest people that America has to offer. They have sacrificed much to serve their country and are serving heroically. The fact that TNR published Beauchamp’s bogus exploits and ignored the countless milbloggers who write better and more honestly was scandalous and slanderous. The additional facts that Beauchamp’s essays are a pack of lies and that TNR disingenuously tried to defend them have only heightened the scandal.
THERE’S ANOTHER LITTLE essay today that touches on the Beauchamp scandal that also signals something of a turning point. Andrew Sullivan and Matthew Yglesias were pretty much the only two bloggers silly enough to man the barricades on The New Republic’s behalf. Today, Sullivan steps down. Stealthily. In a post titled “Victor Davis Hanson, Fabulist”, Andrew writes, “Yes, Victor Davis Hanson is right in some respects. Some things that have been published in The New Republic are things that no one should believe. The more ambitious fabulist is not Scott Beauchamp, however. It's Victor Davis Hanson.”
VDH can of course defend himself, and Andrew doesn’t make any sort of case that VDH has lied about anything. In Andrew’s world, “lying” is sometimes employed as a term of art meaning “saying something I don’t like.” Regardless, did you catch that he called Scott Beauchamp a fabulist? True a less ambitious fabulist than Victor Davis Hanson, but a fabulist nonetheless.
The New Republic is clearly out of friends just as surely as it is out of ammo. When you’ve stooped to calling Bill Kristol a thug, as I think my ace PhotoShop guy Festivus brilliantly illustrates, you’ve officially jumped the shark.
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modified limited hangout? Or are they just sharpening the shovel? |
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Im sure its been said before, but it really is just torture to read the contorted logic of the once great Mr. Sullivan. |
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"Oh come on, Dean! This is old news! You're just trying to distract from the fact that Bush stole the 2000 election!"
Foer will be Fredo-ed before Labor Day...
Jon, http://exurbanleague.com |
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Did you check out the latest fabulist report from Rasmussen?
Yes, I know, Rasmussen is a respected polling firm. But check out those numbers, they smell awful.
My guess, without being able to see the numbers, is that they way oversampled Democrats. Why do I guess this? Because Clinton's numbers of dislike among Republicans are much higher than Romney's by Democrats. Clinton's numbers are also higher among Independents than Romney's. So how does Romney get so far ahead? They must have oversampled the Democrats. |
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in his typical lefty trick of saying "Oh yeah? Well, your guy is worse than our guy!"
First off, I will admit to not being a VDH or NRO fan boy. I go there only when one of the writers I do respect suggest it. The only time I see Kristol is on Sundays mornings if the story interests me...
HOWEVER, Andrew Sullivan's amateurish attempt to slander VDH in this case looks like he must have spent a couple days without sleep researching something, ANYTHING that a "right-winger" wrote that turned out wrong. He pulled an Icarus-like move in the attempt.
There's a lot of difference between proving VDH's *opinion* invalid and proving Scot Thomas Beauchump's *account of several events* to be false.
Apparently Mr. Sullivan missed that distinction. |
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that I just heard of Duranty as a jumping off point to prove how smart I was. Maybe that's just me.
As a comparison, I don't see Duranty and Kristol and think "A ha!". One covered for a dictator that arguably caused the deaths of several million people, and the other has a K in his name. Maybe we're talking about Jimmy Duranty, tho - ha cha cha cha. Look him up, get even more wise.
Anyway, it's probably good enough in the world of Sadaam and Karl Rove are equal. Probably close enough in a world where the USA is now a fascist state.
Actually, this is really just an excuse to bring up that fascist state checklist again. I wish I had that associated website - it's ridiculous. Please post it again, someone, so I can monitor our increasing fascistiness...
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Kristol and Podhoretz, both Jews, share what similarities with an apologist for an anti Semitic dictator? |
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TNR is in Stage 2 of the classic three-point Clinton Defense:
1. We did nothing wrong! 2. Well, you're guilty too! 3. Move on already, that's old news!
Jon, http://exurbanleague.com |
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not to invoke "But he did it first!" as a defense for his bad behaviour. It took a while, and judicious use of time-outs and other more, ah, forceful punishments, but he now knows that if he acts bad, he's the one to blame and not his brother/playmate/imaginary friend. As his Grandpa and my Dad told me from an early age, "You're not responsible for other people's actions, but you are 100% responsible for your reaction."
Jonathan Chait and Andrew Sullivan have yet to learn the basic fundamentals of personal responsibility, it seems. I don't accept such actions from my toddler, why should I accept it from (alleged) adults?
ExUrbanKevin http://www.exurbanleague.com |
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Fancy meeting you here, ExurbanKevin! |
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Same here!
Abd I know how a fine upstanding Christian man such as yourself is far too humble to brag about such things, but your Photoshopping of Kristol as a thug is, IMLTHO, so much better than Dean's attempt.
Decide for yourself, gentle readers.
http://exurbanleague.com/2007/08/22/thug-life-4-real.aspx |
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Bill Kristol is even less charming than Andrew Sullivan's hit-piece on VDH.
By taking two sentences out of the Kristol piece and fashioning a fantasy-world around it populated by evil neocon strawmen, Chait imagines himself to have slain the dragon.
But wait! His fantasy world evaporates, as does all of faerie, when examined closely. This story is not about Bill Kristol or his motives. It's not about the defense of "the President's War". Nor is it about a serious examination of the facts surrounding Beauchamp's alleged stories from Iraq.
It's about misdirection.
The heat is getting closer to the editors at TNR and Chait imagines that his slander of Kristol, who--let's face it--is a bit of a snide jerk at times, will make us all look over there while he and his posse "exit stage left".
Un-uh. Nope. Won't happen.
Beauchamp lied. Foer bought it hook, line, and sinker. Then the staff at TNR lied and tried to cover it up. And now they're trying misdirection.
Nixon hired the burglars, and lost his gig when the coverup failed. Reagan assumed full responsibility for Iran-Contra and survived. The lesson is clear. Own up to your mistakes (unless you're enough of a charismatic narcissist that you think you can convince people that what Monica and you did wasn'r really sex). People forgive leaders perceived as open and honest.
Regardless of the merits of the War in Iraq, the actions of Franklin Foer and the TNR staff are being seen more like those of Nixon and his team. They're apparently turning into small-minded, mean-spirited, lying weasels... |
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...Hanson in that post. What a fraud. And Chait does a masterful takedown of Kristol.
Keep smokin' that Kristol meth, Dean. It's the only way your non-reality-based world makes sense any more... |
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The spoils of the "blogosphere" sure are small if this minor embarrassment for The New Republic can take up this much time and talk at places like Hewitt's website. Only on forum threads and blog posts does this story mean anything.
I'd excuse the triumphal airs of Barnett and his fans as juvenilia were they not so old. But clearly, wisdom does not follow age.
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Does Beauchamp or any soldier with him have any incentive to corroborate a story that could embarrass the military and get them courtmartialed?
Saying dumb things about a so called woman will not get you a Art-13.
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With great respect and warmth of heart, I dub thee "Chief Snarkologist" of HughHewitt.com.
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That's not the fasiscm site you mentioned last time - but I found it on http://www.rense.com - I especially like the section dedicated to the Zionists.
I think it speaks for itself and your level of research on these subjects. It may also explain why comparing Duranty (not ah cha cha cha) and Kristol made sense to you. |
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KOS-homie Queens/"WE are the MIRROR/MIRROR on the WALL/Champions" can exorcise themselves (onto- intellectual onanists)as "ANOTHER ONE BITES THE DUST".The Lefty lackeys whose main moan is now "so what? big deal? need to recall their 2 year grope with Super Belt Way Party Spy-girl Valerie and MoJo Wilson[& all the dreck they...per NYT/WAPO...had "runs" with for Scooter when their real Boy George was Armitage and The Prince of Darkness)...
Get real boys.The 4th Estate is finished.Well Done Dean;Kristol;Confederate/Yankee;VDH;HH: Weekly Standard etc. THE 6TH ESTATE(Blogosphere and its retro-Judaeo/Christian Logos-nauts)is on the rise!AMGD...
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This is a prime example of the First Rule for Getting Out of a Hole.
Bill Kristol a thug? Sure, just like David Brooks and Rich Lowry. Kristol is more like the little boy in "The Emperor's New Clothes" who pointed out that the emperor was marching down the street naked.
Having heard Chait on Hugh's show, I don't think any conservative has much to worry about from him. |
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It is [Strauss's] thesis that few, if any, of the Great Books in philosophy can simply be 'read,' no matter how vigorously....They have to be studied, and in a special way, for if they are truly great, it is probably their intention to conceal as well as to reveal...The bulk of Persecution and the Art of Writing is devoted to three long essays on 'the art of reading' Maimonides' Guide for the Perplexed, Judah Halevi's Kuzari, and Spinoza's Tractatus Theologico-Politicus...[These essays]are so closely reasoned, so brilliant in their analysis of details of style and argument, that it is impossible fairly to summarize them."
-Irving Kristol, Commentary
http://www.amazon.com/Persecution-Art-Writing-Leo-Strauss/dp/0226777111/ref=si3_rdr_bb_product/002-0944149-5934460 |
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I have found this whole thing with Scott Beauchamp to prime example of what Patsy Schroeder says: "Liberals read more than conservatives". She missed the word "garbage" in the statement, however.
There was a time when Liberal meant a person who explored ideas and had a heady optimism about the future. The current liberals are simply trying to defend the future of 1960 which didn't work; mutually assured destruction (MAD) by nuclear holocaust, trillions wasted in a war on poverty in which the liberals lost, talent wasted in failed public schools which are run on moral equivalency, lives wasted in abortion, you get the picture I hope.
There is not ONE new, original, thought being put out. Even health care is a failed socialist policy which the Brits and Canucks wish they could figure out how to get rid of. |
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What do I think of the "new Republic"? I think it is run by scum, those people that are running the "new Republic", whether behind the scenes or out in the open, should be ashamed for the vulgar language that they use when discussing our troops' mission. They only wish to use the troops for their own ends, and to descend to the level of such ignorance shows that they do not possess any "common sense".
"They sense that history is progressing away from them--that these soldiers, fighting courageously in a just cause..."
A just cause indeed...for those at that rag the New Republic have no idea what justice is. |
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?????????????????? 5:08pm by usual Doofus is just about perfect.G'PHhaaaaaaaaaawwwwwwwwwwwwwwww!!!!
Brentwood...With ya pal, but would gently correct you on "arguably" for J.V.Stalin death count. 25-40 million NO Doubt.None.Same geniuses then enabling the Progressive Father of All Mankind as enable the Islamist Butchers of Jihad today. Pathetic. |
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...is that THE WEEKLY STANDARD has increased its circulation from around 60,000 to 85,000 during the same period that THE NEW REPUBLIC's has declined from 100,000 to 60,000. That approximates my own sense of the political turf that the STANDARD has gained from TNR, while continuing to push the latter ever further to the left.
20 years ago, TNR could tack left or right much more easily. It no longer has as much room to maneuver, and if, as seems possible, the political center on the war is moving right again, TNR's shifts - as typified in Foer's inaugural editorial, Chait's seminally deranged "Why I Hate George Bush" signature piece, and now the the Beachamp pieces - have put it in the position to get painfully whipsawed.
Just around the time that the Beauchamp fiasco was perking up, Chait himself was wondering aloud on TNR's blog "The Plank" about how he and his allies should react on the off chance that the surge strategy worked or was seen to be working. The TNR commenters took him to task, naturally, in much the same terms that the Townhall trolls have made familiar in these parts.
Watching their political space contract, forced to choose between their centrist/maverick traditions and the ideological discipline demanded from their new comrades on the left, and exposed by the Beauchamp affair as in way over their heads, TNR's staff (and a few of their alumni like Sullivan) have good reason to panic.
So far, they've kept it mostly behind closed doors. The question remains: Does the world really need a second NATION, just more snide? If not, then who at TNR would be ready to lead the wandering tribe back across the desert to sanity?
I guess they saved PENTHOUSE. Maybe TNR should try photo spreads. Couldn't hurt. |
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is to stop digging. Watching TNR self-destruct is almost becoming boring. Posters on here knew right from the start that these loonly left idiots at TNR were lying. Right now, every new statement/article from TNR simply goes to prove what liars they are. Their pathetic, floundering rear-guard action is pitiful to behold. Another America-hating, left-wing vermin bites caught with their pants down. In the grand old tradition of Air America, Dan Rather etc etc,... |
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you a millionaire!
"Duranty for Dummies!" oh? The copyright is taken....? Hmmm.
Lessee...
"Duranty for Liberals" "Duranty...with a Punch (and a Pinch)"
Well, you get the idea...just send it to me and I'll take care of the rest. Your friend, Clifford Irving
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. . . on the subjects of moisturizing or hair products.
On military matters, Hanson carries the credibility, and his post at the Corner refuting Sullivan clarifies the situation.
The biggest question in my mind is, "Who the heck reads Andrew Sullivan anymore, and why?"
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..I still wonder where Marty Peretz is ?
I've heard that there's no one above the age of 12 at the magazine anymore,except the laughable Chait at an ancient 34. I keep thinking Marty will jump in and provide some semi-Adult Supervision...So far--Nada.
Colin...Great post,Lad.VDH is a true Heavyweight both as historian and commentator.Chait,by any comparison,is a twit.How sad and shocking that Andrew has become some sort of semi-hysterical, addled little terrier dog.Once great,now just... Lithium deprived. |
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Knowing Sully, I think he meant to say, "VDH, Fabulous!" |
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I don't waste my time on TNR and I rarely read the Weekly Standard (Kristol is not my "cup of tea")... BUT I just made the image of "Kristol the thug" my desktop! It is SO "wrong"! LOL!! |
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suggest to the genius bleeting at you above,that he read...oh...say....numerous pre-2003 UN Resolutions,Richard Butler's"The Greatest Threat" (UNSCOM Chairman-2000),Dr Khidir Hamza's Memoir (from hiding)"Saddam's Bombmaker"(2001)..Oh..and French,British,Russian and German Intelligence warnings pre-'03??
Naw,it would take exposure to the Unaccustomed Torture of Critical Thought...AND some sweat. More comfy,by a mile,in the KosRoid Section of banal Ignorance. |
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..you'd know that Chaitt called Kristol a "fake thug." And he's got a point. Kristol (and Hugh, for that matter) is sort of the emboddiment of the cool, jaded inside-the-beltway mentality that it's okay to say anything that generates passions and helps your cause. The "traitorous liberals" argument advanced by Kristol is of a piece with that mindset.
In earlier times, we would call guys like Kristol or Hewitt or Rove "agitators" or "rabble-rousers." Today, our political and media elite look at that kind of talk as part of the "game." It may very well be a game to the posturing Republican establishment, but the tools being played are guys like you--at the base of the party. How does it feel to be a tool? |
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Isn't that an oxymoron? I USED to be a liberal patriot (back in the 1960's when MOST liberals were patriots). Because of my patriotism, most of my liberal acquaintances call me a conservative.
That's fine by me. I don't hang around where I'm not wanted. I guess I'm a "tool" as well... whatever...
Beauchamp and TNR are reprehensible. "In earlier times, we would call" them traitors. "Today, our political and media elite" should be called mainstream-cut-and-run liberals. |
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what was the last big problem at NRO or WS? I'm dying to know what has happened remotely comparable to Stephen Glass, much less the current Leftwing fraud, Scott Beauchamp. |
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Usually I can spot photoshopping a mile away, but I had to look twice at this (completely ridiculous) image. Excellent compositing! |
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Ah yes, TNR "confirmed" the stories. 5 witnesses. What are their names? Interesting that the only name we have confirming any of this Scott Beauchamp himself... and he is now refusing to speak to TNR.
But hey, TNR "confirmed" that the Bradley can do what Beauchamp said it could do. ... except of course they didn't actually show their source the article and ask him if it was possible. When somebody did that, he said it was BS. So basically TNR "confirmed" something that was physically impossible.
TNR also "confirmed" the "melted woman". That is until they had to change the story and put her in an entirely different country. And even that is being called an "urban legend".
Then there is business of Iraqi police being the only people carrying Glocks. Any of the TNR defenders care to stand behind that assertion?
How about that "little venice" with waist high sewage flows? Are you guys still claiming that is true?
How about that "mass grave" that was "confirmed" as an ordinary graveyard? Aren't those two things kind of different?
You guys remind me of the Rathergate defenders. This is pathetic. Stop digging the hole. |
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"Maybe you should turn down the talk radio and try to read something for yourself, 'cause you're getting bad information."
... a little later ...
"I had not realized that there was another article, 'Dark of Night', that Beauchamp wrote."
"I will have to find it and read it before I comment on it, though (wish all of the people around here would do the same...)"
Bwaaaaahahahahahaha......
Beyond parody.
P.S. FOB Falcon is not in Kuwait. TNR said it was in FOB Falcon and that the incident showed how "Scott Thomas" had been horribly psychologically disfigured by the horrors of war. Then they decided it had happened in Kuwait before "Scott Thomas" had actually been exposed to war.
P.P.S. the non sequiter about "talk radio" is just too precious. You guys really have your talking points down don't you. I never listen to the radio, or watch TV. |
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..Animalgirl.But,hey,I luv your name.
Not necessary to respond to the Vacuous Nonsense endlessly blasted from thy keyboard above...But, the silly--okay...Lie--about wanting our Warriors to be Silent??
Dig the stuff outta your(blind)eyes,Babycakes... and go to all or any of the Milblogs available from HH's site..Start..say with 'Mudville Gazette' and segue onto Austin Bay & the truly great Michael Yon...and y'all c'mon back and tell us how those poor boys have no outlet for their thoughts,feelings,experiences,comradeship...and how they love & respect the 'love you,but will undercut your mission' crowd.
EVIL...Sadly you are clueless..As are your friends. |
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You wrote "Beauchamp never claimed that the melted woman story happened in Iraq"
The first sentence in the piece- "Isaw her nearly every time I went to dinner in the chow hall at my base in Iraq." https://ssl.tnr.com/p/docsub.mhtml?i=20070723&s=diarist072307
You are the one piously lecturing me on commenting on articles I never read. You are the one telling people they don't know what they are talking about. You are the one who obviously hasn't been keeping up with this scandal, otherwise you would know about Beauchamp's other fabrications. Try googling "square backed cartridges". Again, you are ridiculous. |
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I suppose nobody actually reads Chait anymore (I can't blame somebody for that) but I am surprised that, amidst his strawman-littered diatribe, his little Nazi slur got no comment:
"The Weimar-era German right adopted the metaphor of liberals stabbing soldiers in the back. Kristol is embracing the metaphor of liberals shooting soldiers in the back."
Pretty slimy, Chait. |
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I want our soldiers silenced??Find that for me on any thread at HH,will ya please. Or,jeepers,were you being metaphorical?? Generically Right??
Clarity is a cool deal,Babycakes.But rarely seen in Lefties.
But,I'll go easy...as your name is soooooo Cool. |
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