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Wednesday, January 03, 2007
Ellison to Be Sworn in on Jefferson's Copy of Koran
Posted by: Mary Katharine Ham at 1:39 PM

All right, you gotta admit, that's good.

Background on this issue:

First, Dennis Prager said Ellison shoudn't use the Koran instead of the Bible.

Then, a bunch of people, including myself and Michael Medved, here on Townhall, disagreed.

Then, Rep. Virgil Goode of Virginia jumped into a fight that has almost died down and ignited that sucker again with a letter to consituents that read “if American citizens don’t wake up and adopt the Virgil Goode position on immigration there will likely be many more Muslims elected to office and demanding the use of the Koran."

And, now, Ellison will be using Jefferson's Koran. Jefferson, by the way, born in the same area Goode represents. I don't like Ellison, but dang that's clever.

 



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I. M. Neiman writes: Wednesday, January, 03, 2007 7:02 PM
Jeffersonian Koran
1. Being a Marine I am very familiar with the references to the shore of Tripoli and the militant Islam role in that affair. Great job GrammieMac.

2. I understand and sympathize with a Muslim not swearing allegiance on a religious book he believes to be a lie; which holy book Mohammed on behalf of his Allah felt he had to correct with the more accurate Quran. However, had Goode used the Quran quietly, solely as a matter of his faith; I doubt there would have been much said about the matter; but is is clear that Goode deliberately announced his intention to use the Quran solely motivated to cause an uproar wherein the MSM would then come to his defense' and to make sure his disrespect for the Christian faith stays in the news; he tells us he will use Thomas Jefferson's antique copy of the Quran, this is all to show his hatred of the Christian faith and to promote sympathy for a Muslim becoming a lawmaker and part of our government.

3. Jefferson as a historian kept many major written works; but there is nothing in this that indicates he was at all sympathetic to the Islmaic religion. He made many statements in sympathy with the 10 Commandments and in support of the Judeo-Christian principles upon which this nation WAS founded, so he was certainly not neutral in this matter.

4. The liberals in and out of Congress will praise Goode and his faith as they choose to be pluralistic, albeit hostile to the Christian faith, even it it brings down this nation in the process.

5. Personally, I don't believe anyone should be able to run for any national office if he/she refuses to uphold the Judeo-Christian principles of this nation, it should be agianst our federal laws.
GrammieMac writes: Wednesday, January, 03, 2007 4:46 PM
Ellison/Jefferson's koran
A poster today at Little Green Footballs: "Jefferson...was very much aware of and fought against the political movement of Islam. He was the president who broke the Islamic piracy movement in the Mediterranean. "Millions for defense, not one cent for tribute'". See http://www.danielpipes.org for quote from "American Sphinx: The Character of Thomas Jefferson" by Joseph J. Ellis. Jefferson is told by the ambassador from Tripoli the reason for the Islamic savagry: 'The Ambassador answered us that it was founded on the laws of the prophet, that it was written in their koran, that all nations who should not have acknowledged their (Islams) authority were sinners, that it was their right & duty to make war upon them wherever they could be found, and to make slaves of all they could take as prisoners..." Consider this possibility: the Muslim Ellison's motivation for using Jefferson's koran is subtle ironic payback, i.e., "sticking it" to Jefferson, and to the rest of who don't wish for the United States to come under a caliphate. Sounds harsh, but all things considered, needs to be pondered. Just sayin'...
tdau1997 writes: Wednesday, January, 03, 2007 3:58 PM
"If it were you..."
...I'm comfortable demanding that you swear allegiance to the country; but not that you swear allegiance to, say, Yaweh or Allah. Why? Because if you don't believe in him, the oath you swear to him is literally worthless."

If one was comfortable breaking allegiances one made to anything, does it really matter?
piker62 writes: Wednesday, January, 03, 2007 3:35 PM
Tom...
The country may have been founded on judeo-christian principals but there were also explicit instructions that they not interfere with governance.

If it were you, I'm comfortable demanding that you swear allegiance to the country; but not that you swear allegiance to, say, Yaweh or Allah. Why? Because if you don't believe in him, the oath you swear to him is literally worthless.
Tom writes: Wednesday, January, 03, 2007 2:29 PM
True Justice
IF there was any justice in this world, then we would find that the Koran owned by Jefferson has some of the more militant passages underlined with Jefferson personally adding comments about them as well.

I still say all of you except for Dennis are missing the point of this. We are a country founded on Judeo-Christian principles and using the Bible for the oath is symbolically stating the person taking the oath will uphold those principles.

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