Tuesday, June 10, 2008
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The Veepstakes
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Posted by:
Hugh Hewitt at
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Mike Allen of Politico.com just told me that indeed retired USMC General Anthony Zinni is near the top of the Obama list, and that there are four on the McCain list: Romney at the top, with Rob Portman, Eric Cantor and Tom Ridge also in the hunt.
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JoeB131 writes: Thursday, June, 12, 2008 2:01 PM
"Speaking of cruelty to Dogs...
Since QM7 and Shelby seem to be screaming like a couple of PETA nutbags, I wonder what they are gonig to say about THIS story?"
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I heard that story a long time ago. Romney added some type of protective barrier to the kennel to shield the pet from the elements. AT LEAST HE TRIED TO DO GOOD!
I think this is yet another sign that Romney is meant to be VP 2008 and prez 2012, as building (kennels) does not seem to be his best talent. Genius in economics, organization, people skills, good character; those are the things that make this remarkable man shine...so let's use him for the good of our Nation! |
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Qweenmumof7 writes:
"Shelby
I know I'm not an expert on this. (Joeb, I'm sure is). But we who have done foster care in the past KNOW that kids that torture animals is a huge red flag. most mass murders started out with animals, then moved on. I'm not saying that the good pastors son is a mass murder in waiting. I'm saying that it's a pattern that needs to be looked at and monitored closely.
Family sometimes is the problem, and sometimes not. Hard to judge with Huck."
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You're right--animal torture is always a RED FLAG. About the possible huck connection—huck is often described by his supporters as having an independent streak (euphemism for being a rebellious jerk). huckabeen's son, David, was once forced to pay a fine, and when he did, he paid the whole thing ($5,000 I seem to recall) in pennies--just to be a jerk! So there is more than just the dog torture, and no one knows everything David does to "entertain" himself when no one's looking. The rebelliousness seems to run in the family. Like father, like son.... I’m not surprised…. |
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I guess I a much more organized than you ever were. That's how I do it all. FYI. I'm not on near as much as you are. |
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Is that it is the LDS takeover of the Boy Scouts that is the root of these idiotic anti-gay policies... |
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[Shelby on June 12, 2008 1:30 PM]"was fired from the Boy Scouts"
What are your views on Romney's handling of Scouts' participation in the Olympics?
Bresnahan, David M. 3/27/2002. "Romney: The cover-the-road politician"
http://www.888webtoday.com/bresnahan6.html
Romney showed his colors during the Olympics when he made it clear that the Boy Scouts would not be a part of the Olympics as they had traditionally been throughout modern Olympic history. There would be no Scouts in uniform for the public or press to see. Romney wanted no complaints from the homosexual community or the world press.
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Romney was very careful to eliminate the Boy Scouts from view. He appeased them by permitting Scouts to perform litter clean up of Olympic sites before the Games began, and to help with putting up and taking down of security fences. All out of view of the public and the media.
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He also very cleverly made sure the homosexual activist community were invited to participate in the Olympics in a meaningful way that they would brag about.
The homosexual website Gay.com from the United Kingdom did that very thing on January 30, just before the games began. An article read by homosexuals all over the world proclaimed: "Winter Olympics First To Welcome Gays.
"The Winter Games in Salt Lake City, Utah, next month will be the first to open its arms to the gay community. Organisers (sic) of the 2002 Winter Olympics have actively gone out to get the gay community involved. The Salt Lake Olympic Organising (sic) Committee (SLOC) invited two members of the community, Michael Marriott and Laura Milliken Gray to the group's Volunteer Work Group, to get gays involved., the article reported.
The story went on to quote homosexual Olympic volunteers about what a very positive experience they were having, and the involvement of the homosexual community.
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"Ingrid Newkirk, president of People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals, was less circumspect. PETA does not have a position on Romney's candidacy per se, but Newkirk called the incident "a lesson in cruelty that was ... wrong for [his children] to witness...Thinking of the wind, the weather, the speed, the vulnerability, the isolation on the roof, it is commonsense that any dog who's under extreme stress might show that stress by losing control of his bowels: that alone should have been sufficient indication that the dog was, basically, being tortured." Romney, of course, has expressed support for the use of "enhanced interrogation" techniques when it comes to terrorists; his campaign refused to comment about the treatment of his dog."
Now, Shelby and QM, since you have both said that people who are cruel to animals will no doubt turn into mass murderers and such, I am sure that you will immediately withdraw your support from old Magic Underpants any time now...
We're waiting.
(God, I love hoisting people on their own petard!)
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Since QM7 and Shelby seem to be screaming like a couple of PETA nutbags, I wonder what they are gonig to say about THIS story?
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1638065,00.h tml
The reporter intended the anecdote that opened part four of the Boston Globe's profile of Mitt Romney to illustrate, as the story said, "emotion-free crisis management": Father deals with minor — but gross — incident during a 1983 family vacation, and saves the day. But the details of the event are more than unseemly — they may, in fact, be illegal.
The incident: dog excrement found on the roof and windows of the Romney station wagon. How it got there: Romney strapped a dog carrier — with the family dog Seamus, an Irish Setter, in it — to the roof of the family station wagon for a twelve hour drive from Boston to Ontario, which the family apparently completed, despite Seamus's rather visceral protest.
Massachusetts's animal cruelty laws specifically prohibit anyone from carrying an animal "in or upon a vehicle, or otherwise, in an unnecessarily cruel or inhuman manner or in a way and manner which might endanger the animal carried thereon." An officer for the Massachusetts Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals responded to a description of the situation saying "it's definitely something I'd want to check out." The officer, Nadia Branca, declined to give a definitive opinion on whether Romney broke the law but did note that it's against state law to have a dog in an open bed of a pick-up truck, and "if the dog was being carried in a way that endangers it, that would be illegal."
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QM7:I know I'm not an expert on this. (Joeb, I'm sure is). But we who have done foster care in the past KNOW that kids that torture animals is a huge red flag. most mass murders started out with animals, then moved on. I'm not saying that the good pastors son is a mass murder in waiting. I'm saying that it's a pattern that needs to be looked at and monitored closely.
Family sometimes is the problem, and sometimes not. Hard to judge with Huck."
Me: Wow, you know, it's really slimy to attack a candidate's family...
We aren't talking about someone who regularly tortured animals, we are talking about someone who encountered a dangerous feral animal and went about euthanizing it the wrong way. My brother's mother in law was mauled by a dog and it took 130 stitches to put her face back together.
I guess if they let the dog run around and it mauled a kid, you'd be out here sneering "David Huckabee negligently allowed kids on his watch to be mauled by feral dogs." |
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[Huckabee’s son was fired from the Boy Scouts for disobeying their “be kind” creed, which Eddie fails to mention. Huckabeen hindered the police investigation of David for animal cruelty, which Eddie fails to mention, and that might explain why there was no conviction. BTW, animal cruelty is ILLEGAL IN ALL 50 STATES!]
His son also later qualified as an Eagle Scout after this incident.... Please tell the whole story...
[You are absurd in your lies and attempts to just blow off Huck’s son’s animal torture. The dog was killed, as Huckabeen stated in his CNN Larry King interview, because it was mangy and emaciated. This poor, sickly animal was hardly a threat to anyone, but sadly came upon David Huckabee who in his barbaric cruelty hung the dog (and some reports say he also stoned and slit the throat of the dog!). For those who just blow it off as being a dog (God help you), it is ILLEGAL IN ALL 50 STATES TO TORTURE AN ANIMAL. The Bible says man is to follow the laws of man!]
Have you ever dealt with a starving, feral dog? We ain't talking Lassie here. This animal could have mauled a child. Now, the right thing was to call Animal Control and have them euthanize the animal, but he showed the kind of judgment a 17 year old my show, which is bad.
Oh, no let me guess, you were probably the perfect 17 year old in your starched white shirt carrying a copy of the "Book of Lies" under your arm.
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I know I'm not an expert on this. (Joeb, I'm sure is). But we who have done foster care in the past KNOW that kids that torture animals is a huge red flag. most mass murders started out with animals, then moved on. I'm not saying that the good pastors son is a mass murder in waiting. I'm saying that it's a pattern that needs to be looked at and monitored closely.
Family sometimes is the problem, and sometimes not. Hard to judge with Huck.
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Why I'm going to vote for McCain...
Ronwik, I can understand a lot of your concerns about McCain. On illegal immigration, he is only paying lip service to securing the border. (I agree with him that there has to be some form of amnesty. So did Huckabee and Romney.) On the issue of interrogation, he reads from the MoveOn playbook. He still doesn't get why McCain-Feingold was a terrible idea, and he accepts the Global Warming myth wholeheartedly. Far too often, his stands have been about gaining MSM approval rather than principle.
All of that said, however, here's why I support him.
First, his record of service to this country is second to none. A few months ago, I met another former POW who spent time with McCain at the Hanoi Hilton, and he told me about the integrity and bravery that McCain faced his captivity with. That he could have gone home because his father was an Admiral, but insisted on staying until everyone was released.
Second, because of his service, he has credibility to ask the American people to do a hard thing, see the Iraq war through to victory. We are taking the unpopular position here, we need a credible messenger. Obama has the easier task, he's offering the illusion of peace to a war weary country.
Third, and most important, there will be at least two vacancies in the Supreme Court in the next term. Who do you want appointing them, McCain or Obama?
I would have a very hard time voting for McCain if he picks Romney as a running mate, but I can't stand Obama and a third party vote would be a waste. It's going to be a tough call if he does.
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eddie too writes:
“Shelby simply believes parents should be held responsible for the sins of their children (although that maybe only if the parent is Huckabee). Not too mention, Huckabee's son was not convicted of anything, which Shelby fails to mention.”
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Huckabee’s son was fired from the Boy Scouts for disobeying their “be kind” creed, which Eddie fails to mention. Huckabeen hindered the police investigation of David for animal cruelty, which Eddie fails to mention, and that might explain why there was no conviction. BTW, animal cruelty is ILLEGAL IN ALL 50 STATES!
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ronwik writes”
“I have a nephew who used to kill cats whenhe was a young man. Thankfully he grew out of it, and is a rescpectable businessman with a lovely family today and goes to church regularly. And you know what? No-one blames his father for what HE did!”
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That cat-torturing nephew of yours who is now a “a rescpectable [sic] businessman with a lovely family today and goes to church regularly” sounds awesome!!!! Although, I do have to break this to you, your fine, church-going nephew very likely kicks his dog across the room whenever the mood strikes him. Usually those with the capacity to be cruel do not “grow out of it”.
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QM7: Joeb
I know your so superior to the rest of us. So, how bout going someplace else, and let the rest of us un-enlightend folks figure it out on our own.
Me: Well, as a matter of fact, I am.
However, it's WAAAAAYYYYY to much fun to watch you Mormon idiots get your magic panties in a bunch when I point out you believe a bunch of lies. |
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JoeB131 writes:
“Shelby lies about Huck
Okay, first, that dog was euthanized because it was a sick animal that posed a threat to scouts under the younger Huckabee's charge.”
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You are absurd in your lies and attempts to just blow off Huck’s son’s animal torture. The dog was killed, as Huckabeen stated in his CNN Larry King interview, because it was mangy and emaciated. This poor, sickly animal was hardly a threat to anyone, but sadly came upon David Huckabee who in his barbaric cruelty hung the dog (and some reports say he also stoned and slit the throat of the dog!). For those who just blow it off as being a dog (God help you), it is ILLEGAL IN ALL 50 STATES TO TORTURE AN ANIMAL. The Bible says man is to follow the laws of man!
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I know your so superior to the rest of us. So, how bout going someplace else, and let the rest of us un-enlightend folks figure it out on our own.
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I absolutely understand and have been trying to find some reason to vote for McCain. I'm trying to give him every opportunity to convince me he wants my vote but so far...nothing. If the election were tomorrow I would be unable to vote for McCain in good conscience. Just the fact that he's not as bad as Obama is not cutting it for me.
If I can't vote for McCain (likely scenario at this point), however, I will take a look at a 3rd party candidate. I expect that a 3rd party would never win but at least if enough of us did that it would send a clear message to the party we once supported. If they can't win by nominating a Republican, maybe next time they should nominate a conservative. That was my point. Even a vote for 3rd party has meaning. Sitting out and not voting at all is a quitters way, and we're not quitters. Right? |
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I actually share your feelings regarding Obama and McCain, but it dismays me to hear one of us say they will not be voting this time around. Voting is a sacred responsibility biought and paid for by our forefathers, yours and mine. I'm really not trying to lay a guilt trip on you, but we have a responsibility to vote. There are other options than the ones with (D) or (R) after their names. You can even right in a name -not recommended but better than staying home.
I honestly did not mean to offend you, ronwik. I know you like Huckabee, but we are on the same team. I don't hate him or any of his supporters. I couldn't vote for Huckabee because I felt, in my mind there was someone better. I respect your views, however and you seem to be a good hearted person.
I'll make you a proposition. First off, I agree with you that neither Romney nor Huckabee will get the VP nod, but just in case, if he chooses Huckabee I will support the McCain/Huckabee ticket. If, on the other hand, he chooses Romney, you support that ticket. Deal?
At any rate, please don't sit it out. Vote.
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WSJ:
'To hear the candidate himself tell it, Mr. Romney believes above all in "data." As he told us on a visit, his management style includes "wallowing" in data about a problem, analyzing that data like the business consultant he once was, and then using it to devise a solution.
A major theme of his candidacy is that he'll bring that business model to a "broken" Washington, apply it to Congress and the bureaucracy, and thus triumph over gridlock and the status quo.
To which we'd say: Good luck with that.
Washington's problem isn't a lack of data, or a failure to calibrate the incentives as in the business world. Congress and the multiple layers of government respond exactly as you'd expect given the incentives for self-preservation and turf protection that always exist in political institutions.
The only way to overcome them is with leadership on behalf of good ideas backed by public support. The fact that someone as bright as Mr. Romney doesn't recognize this Beltway reality risks a Presidency that would get rolled quicker than you can say Jimmy Carter.'
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB120182471883733637.html |
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WSJ:
'Governor Romney experimented with his consultant-centric approach in the Massachusetts laboratory, and the result was the "universal" health-care program the state adopted in 2006. As he tells it, the experts crunched the data. As he doesn't tell it, his initiative became a petri dish for the latest liberal health-care theories.
Insurance in Massachusetts is among the most expensive in the nation because of multiple mandates, such as premium price controls and rules dictating that coverage be offered to all comers regardless of health. Mr. Romney's cardinal flaw was that he did not attempt to deregulate and allow the insurance market to function as it should.
Instead, Mr. Romney saw the status quo and raised. At first he suggested mandatory health escrow accounts for people who decline to insure themselves. Once the consultants and the liberal state legislature were through with it, Mr. Romney's initiative became the "individual mandate," a first-in-the-nation requirement that residents acquire insurance or pay penalties.
The mandate in combination with other regulations effectively socialized the Massachusetts insurance market, and then Democrats on Beacon Hill added more subsidies and business penalties.
Mr. Romney claimed victory anyway, heralding the new plan as "free market" as he plotted his GOP Presidential run. Inconveniently, however, both Hillary Clinton and John Edwards made Massachusetts the model for their 2008 health-care proposals.'
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB120182471883733637.html |
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Piinky writes: 'After actually viewing the videos of Romney that were suppose to indicate he was a flip-flopper, I found him to be rather consistent in his positions. But you, as many, believed the sound bites on his "change" from one position to a new position as flip-flopping instead of just solidifying his position.'
ME: It is quite a tangled-web to sort, but during the primary one journalist was trying to construct a timeline:
"Romney and Abortion"
http://blog.washingtonpost.com/fact-checker/2007/09/romney_ and_abortion.html |
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I honestly think for the LDS people, Huck is a scapegoat for the fact they aren't receiving the validation a Romney candidacy thought they would get. What they don't get is that Romney was thoroughly rejected by the GOP rank and file. He lost and lost badly, despite spending ten times what McCain or Huckabee did. So it wasn't "Gosh, a lot of people still think we're goofy", it was "That mean old huck spread lies about our religion!"
I also think that Huck frightens guys like MainCon because he fears that the GOP might become more populist, that (sssshhhhh) religious conservative/evangelicals might figure out that a party that benefits Corporate America on the back of working families is not their friend. It's a major disconnect, that you have two factions within the party who are increasingly at cross purposes.
So there is an economic factor in Romney vs. Huck as well as a religious one. Nominating McCain has probably put the match off for a few years, and why I think neither one of them will get the veep nod.
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[Qweenmumof7 on June 12, 2008 11:22 AM]"Glenn Beck did say he had some issues with Romney, namely his Health Care that got hijacked in MAss"
How did RomneyCare get "hijacked"?
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RomneyCare funds MA abortions, and is KennedyCare/ HillaryCare,
bottom section of
Huckabee vs. Romney
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics.republicans/msg /b8874f14563f4df0
The New Big Dig
May 21, 2008; Page A18
http://online.wsj.com/article_email/SB121132884197208937-lM yQjAxMDI4MTIxMTMyMjE4Wj.html
[Qweenmumof7 on May 6, 2008 8:50 AM]"Never will you convince me that a man who... raises taxes.... Never will I trust, nor vote for him"
Do you consider RomneyCare's employer assessment to be a tax increase on businesses?
Mooney, Brian C., Stephanie Ebbert, and Scott Helman. 30 June 2007. "The Making of Mitt Romney
Ambitious goals; shifting stances" _The Boston Globe_
http://www.boston.com/news/politics/2008/specials/romney/ar ticles/part7_main?mode=PF
Gone was the payroll tax in the House version. In its place was an annual fee of $295 per person for companies that had 11 or more employees and didn't provide a health plan.
At first, Romney voiced no objections to the fee, which some conservatives saw as a new tax.
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Politically, Romney was able to have it both ways. With a stroke of his pen, the would-be presidential candidate signed a landmark law and used his line-item veto to wash his hands of something resembling a tax increase to help pay for it. The vetoed parts of the bill were certain to be overridden in both the House and Senate anyway.
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Romney calls Ted Kennedy co-collaborator on health care
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I4r9dMP21hM
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Wow, so you like the misogynist, racist Glen Beck. Why am I not surprised? This is a guy who put on his website a parody about turning illegal aliens into fuel. Well, if that doesn't work, he can alway go with turning them into lampshades and bars of soap. Sieg Heil, baby.
He also called the survivors of Hurricane Katrina "scumbags". (That's nice, pee on the little people.)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glen_Beck#Criticism_and_contro versial_statements
Swell guy...
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Catholics by Joeb or by any Kennedy you can think of. I know they are a good people. Just because there's a few flakes in the fold, does not make the whole lot bad.
I like Beck. I liked him before I knew he was LDS. I don't get to listen to him much. He's tape delayed here. |
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LOL. I know. Weird, eh? And you know, Glenn Beck did say he had some issues with Romney, namely his Health Care that got hijacked in MAss. I hope Stalker and Joeb never need to fly Jet Blue. The founder is Glenn Becks Home Teacher - an other LDS'er. Dang. Were everywhere now. We must breed like rabbits. |
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Glen's LDS?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
Don't tell anyone!
JoeB and Stalkesizer will be all over him. The next thing you'll tell me is he was supporting that rich, elitest, Romney, who likes to put people out of work and into the poor house just to line his own pockets.
Are you telling me that guy I paid good money to see, and who makes as much common sense as anyone I have ever listened to, is inspiring, funny and insirational, is actually dumb enough to be deceived by those goofy young guys riding around on bikes in white shirts and ties? Glen really seemed to be a smart and common sense guy.
I guess he needs to spend an hour or two with Stalkesizer and JoeB. I'm sure they could convince him he's been deceived by and idiotic, wierdo cult.
Robert, I'll also be thinking and praying for all to go well with your surgery.
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Now i have whole new reasons to despise him.
Of course, statements like these are offensive enough..
"If you're a guy, you can get past it. I don't think you can as an ugly woman." Beck, who also hosts his own show on CNN Headline News, continued: "[Y]ou've got a double cross, because if you're an ugly woman, you're probably a progressive as well."
or when he said of people who lost their homes to wildfires...
"I think there is a handful of people who hate America. Unfortunately for them, a lot of them are losing their homes in a forest fire today."
Yeah, class act, a real credit to the Saints... |
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you got it. Good luck! We'll keep you in our family prayers, and If I and sweetheart hubby get over to the Temple, we'll be sure your name is there too.
Enjoy the hosptial food. |
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Love Glenn Beck. I love his 'story', and how he became LDS. I love his viewpoints on politics. I don't always agree, but golly, he's good! |
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[Akennas on June 11, 2008 6:37 PM]"Heavenly Father only blessed my wife and me with two, so I truly admire those who bring in a 'brood' of seven special spirits."
What's your view of the killing of embryonic human life for research purposes?
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Romney wants government funding for (no doubt embryonic) stem cell research
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTKncJiVfYk
Mishra, Raja. 14 June 2002. "Romney endorses stem cell research, is silent on cloning" Boston Globe
http://www.mult-sclerosis.org/news/Jun2002/USRomneyEndorses StemCellResearch.html
Romney spoke at a Brandeis University-hosted
forum on biomedical research. He endorsed
embryonic stem cell research, saying the
controversial science might one day help treat his
wife's multiple sclerosis in addition to numerous
other degenerative diseases.
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Romney spoke extensively about his position on
stem cell research, which also involves embryo
destruction.
''I am in favor of stem cell research. I will work and
fight for stem cell research,'' he said, adding, ''I'd be
happy to talk to [President Bush] about this, though
I don't know if I could budge him an inch.''
Last summer, Bush set tight limits on taxpayer-
funded embryonic stem cell research, and the field
has since grown sluggishly.
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QM7:Ron wilk
Moses was told to go up a mountai(sic) and get some stone tablets that had some wriing(sic) on it, and moses(sic) did not write it.
Noah was told to build a boat.
I guess these guys lied too.
Me: Boy, here's a discussion I get tired of having.
These accounts were held in oral traditions for centuries before anyone wrote them down. Other cultures- Islamic, Yazidi, Mandaean, etc have accounts of these events that differ from the Judeo-Christian version, but they agree on the basics of the stories. Does that make them true? No. In fact, like most histories, they reflect the view of the writer more than the subject. But there was not fraud involved, people were transcribing the stories as best they could.
The Book of Mormon, you have no such wiggle room. Either there really were Golden Plates accounting a lost Hebrew civilizations in the Americas, or Joseph Smith made it all up. The supporting evidence for the latter are
1) Plagarism from other sources
2) Linguistic anomolies
3) The book of Abraham is a proven fraud
4) No one has these Golden Plates today
5) No archeological evidence
6) No genetic evidence in the surviving Native Americans.
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Akennas writes in Crayon:"Here are a few facts:
Mitt Romney is at the top of McCain's VP list.
Mike Huckabee isn't even ON the list.
Dream on, fundies; it will be a cold day in Hell before the Huckster is on the ticket."
Do you actually have a copy of this "list" from credible sources?
I really can't imagine that McCain would pick Romney, unless he's already concluded he's going to lose anyway and he might as well get someone else to pick up his campaign debt.
Here's the thing, I'm not sure Huckabee would be a good fit for McCain. I think McCain would be far better served by picking a woman, and capitalizing on Hillary supporters who are disenchanted with Obama and the disrespect Hillary got during the campaign.
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Here's an article Slate magazine did on the whole 1998 SBC Conference.
http://www.slate.com/id/2180391/
The effort didn't end after the '80s came to a close. In 1998, the SBC held its annual convention in enemy territory: Salt Lake City, the Mormon Church's headquarters. Three thousand Southern Baptist volunteers went on a door-to-door missionary effort bringing the evangelical message to Mormon neighborhoods. While the SBC engaged in such outreach during every yearly meeting, regardless of the locale, the missionary work in Salt Lake City had a more obvious goal than when the convention-goers visited Indianapolis or Philadelphia. To equip the volunteers, the SBC developed a video called The Mormon Puzzle and distributed copies of it with a book titled Mormonism Unmasked. Both works promised to "lift the veil from one of the greatest deceptions in the history of religion," a blurb on the book's cover announced.
In short, they DEVELOPED these videos and books to educate volunteers, they were not passing them out to the Mormons, heaven forbid as MC said.
Now, keep in mind, LDS has been sending their pests into Baptist territory for decades. So the SBC returns the favor, and this is bad?
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[Qweenmumof7 on June 11, 2008 6:21 PM]"Mitts excellent example of how to lose, and live to win with class"
[Qweenmumof7 on February 6, 2008 10:54 PM]"I'm glad he's [Romney is] the only one with character in this race. His class shows where junkyard dogs like Huck and McCain show true colors."
Tuesday, January 29, 2008
Mitt's Concession Speech
Posted by: Matt Lewis at 9:38 PM
http://townhall.com/blog/g/9088af39-b48d-4c6a-9c5f-18532ccd 4f5b?comments=true#comments
Jon - I agree. Something's wrong with Mitt. He looks and sounds very angry and upset. He's not at all gracious. And his speech is basically a stump speech that seems to me, at least, to be preachy, out-of-place, and inappropriate.
Luo, Michael. 24 January 2008. "Romney Leads in Ill Will Among G.O.P. Candidates" _The New York Times_
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/24/us/politics/24romney.html ?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin
Aides to Mr. Huckabee say he did not get to know Mr. Romney very well as a governor, finding him distant at meetings. The aides said they were also irritated that Mr. Romney did not call after Mr. Huckabee’s victory in Iowa.
Tuesday, January 15, 2008
McCain Calls Romney to Congratulate Him
Posted by: Mary Katharine Ham at 9:18 PM
http://www.townhall.com/blog/g/4744508d-d6f0-4183-accc-4cc2 76caf690
Update: Mitt Romney's stepping on McCain's concession speech with his victory speech. I guarantee you there are a couple dozen people at McCain camp looking at the TVs switching to Mitt right now, going "God, I hate those guys."
Update: E.M. tells me that was happening all weekend in Michigan. McCain had to schedule events with hours between his and Romney's planned appearances or he'd get his toes stepped on.
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Wow, since I left last night this did take quite a turn. Actually, it may have been me that stirred up the pot, and let me apologize. Nothing good, other than a little entertainment comes from such banter. I'm sorry to eddie too and to ronwik, who I respect for the passion with which they support Gov Huckabee.
I went to see Glen Beck last night and was again reminded of how blessed we all are to have the freedom to disagree and express opposing views openly. Man, I love being an American.
By the way, Dudley, Slates is rebuilding. I usually frequent the "Liberal Cup" however. Imagine me in a place called the Liberal Cup? Actually last night we headed the other direction because we picked up friends in Gray on the turnpike.
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"MC:You, Princess Are The Liar
Me: Now, you see, Princess, you have to real come up with your own insults and not steal my material. I mean, come on, I know you think you're the smartest guy in the room, maybe you need to start proving it.
MC: Why did you not admit in the first place that the SBC was distributing Mormonism Unmaked, instead of your drivel about just going door to door professing their belief in Christ?
Me: Because I haven't seen a credible source that says that they were. The only source I could find was the highly respected Politico, which stated that they only carried evangelical material. You posted a passage- without a link - making claims about the conference that clearly weren't supported by any journalist.
MC:Because you, my friend, are the liar - exposed.
Me: You aren't my friend, although I am sure that you probably need some.
I really have to wonder about the non-LDS Mitt supporters like yourselves. I mean I can understand QM and Akenaas and the other kool-aid drinkers looking for validation for their goofy religion, and being upset when they discovered that most Conservatives would rather vote for a Democrat (McCain) than a Mormon.
I think I've got you pegged. You are one of these small businessmen who lives in absolute fear that the government might restore the balance to workers and consumers. So even though the policies of economic conservatives have been completely discredited (just open the financial page), you cling to your idol hoping he will restore the policies...
In short, a Quisling.
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I don't hate evangelicals. I don't hate anyone as a matter of fact. But I do recognize those that do hate, and I have a gift of discernment sufficient to know that Huckabee is a Mormon hater, and that he has a lot of followers that hate also.
BTW, I'm going in for cancer surgery to have my kidney removed early tomorrow morning, so like the great American said in the speech above, I would appreciate a prayer from anyone of piety and good character. God bless America! |
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Two kids are a blessing as much as 8! It just takes more work, that's all! But yes, it is truly the most wonderful experience in my life. I'm thankful that I was given the opportunity to be a mother in this life. Although we had to go a different route to have our family, it is the same to us, as if they were born to us. There are advantages to just two. You can buy a small car that gets great gas mileage. (we have a big van!) It does not cost you close to a grand to take the family into Disneyland. You can go to a restraunt without having to have the banquet room. There are advantages, but there are blessings for both!
Cheers, and have fun here. The water is warm, and I know that the handful here do not really refect the thinking christians out there. |
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I have requsted Huckabees speech - several times. I've even attempted through the freedom of information act. But he refuses to release it. Why? Ask him. I've tried. He won't listen. I guess he's got 'sumption to hide. |
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I left a couple of hours ago and this post has taken on a very nefarious theme,so lets tally up the score:anyone who doesnt like Huck hates evangelicans,anyone who doesn't like Mitt hates mormans,I'm pretty sure Synth thinks someone hates the Jews but I really don't want to work that hard to find out,as always Dudlo thinks anyone that is white hates the blacks.And the winner is.......Main con! Because he was smart enough to leave this post and not come back! |
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FYI. I 'birthed' no children. All eight of my children are adopted from Foster Care. My sweet husbad and I adopted them, making a family. We love them, take care of them, and think of them as if they were born to us (athough that did not happen).
So very sorry to burst your birthing bubble. My kids are kids that needed parents and a family, as much as we wanted a family. |
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Moses was told to go up a mountai and get some stone tablets that had some wriing on it, and moses did not write it.
Noah was told to build a boat.
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[Qweenmumof7 on June 11, 2008 6:01 PM]"Do I believe in marriage in the 'after life'? You betcha I do. If I even have a remote chance of being with the most awesome man and family for eternity, I'll take it."
What does someone have to do to be married in the afterlife?
Will your husband be a God in the afterlife?
Romney might become a God
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.religion.mormon/msg/099e 1fceabcb4dc4
Do you disagree with anything below?
Luke 20 (King James Version)
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke%2020;&vers ion=9;
27 Then came to him certain of the Sadducees, which deny that there is any resurrection; and they asked him,
28 Saying, Master, Moses wrote unto us, If any man's brother die, having a wife, and he die without children, that his brother should take his wife, and raise up seed unto his brother.
29 There were therefore seven brethren: and the first took a wife, and died without children.
30 And the second took her to wife, and he died childless.
31 And the third took her; and in like manner the seven also: and they left no children, and died.
32 Last of all the woman died also.
33 Therefore in the resurrection whose wife of them is she? for seven had her to wife.
34 And Jesus answering said unto them, The children of this world marry, and are given in marriage:
35 But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage:
36 Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection.
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Mainecon,
got yourself involved in a tangle in this thread. Keep in mind, it's all personal, even though nobody knows each other. Where'd you go out to eat before the concert, Slate's? Same woman still cookin' there, after the burn down. Take care. |
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I'm new to this site, and as I assumed, it only took about 10 minutes of reading to figure out who the hateful followers of Mike Huckabee are. Its the same way on all sites, and then they wonder why nobody loved their man but them. Most people can smell a snake oil salesman miles away. |
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Apparently, the Hucksters supporters didn't like the speech. They would rather Obama wins by keeping us divided. Why can't you love your neighbor as thyself. The last time I checked Huckster supporters are supposed to believe that's correct doctrine.
Eddie, why don't you try allowing the LDS to teach what they believe. You don't have the foggiest idea what you are talking about. |
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If his keynote was so 'innocent' and so full of the 'love of Christ'. Where is it. Unlike you all, we don't twist words. I'd be the first to eat the humble pie. Got my fork in the dishwasher, if Huckles wants to take me up on that. |
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It was only a matter of time before they returned. BUT, that said, I heard mitt on Hannity's show this afternoon. Mitts grandfather described Mitt as a 'bumble bee in a jar'. What an excellent description of him! He's everywhere. He's working hard, and has even said that he will NOT be going back into the private sector. Hummm. And now, McCain is making noise that he and Mitt have burried the hatchet and have moved on. I'm sure it's it in no part to Mitts excellent example of how to lose, and live to win with class.
McCain/Romney The Right Choice 08.
Gotta go. Nice seeing you again, Akennes. |
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Huckabee can stop all this by one simple action. Release the keynote speech. Prove us wrong. Can't do it? Won't do it? It's pretty simple to do. He won't. Why? Wattaknow.
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Awesome speech.
There are new bumper sticker, tee shirts, etc out now. McCain/Romney - The Right Choice 08. |
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are you talking about the scurrillous charges so many in the LDS have made against SBC, evangelicals and Governor Huckabee. If you are, than most here will agree with you that such attacks should stop. |
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Nazareth, our Redeemer and Savior, is a creature. He was brought into being from nothingness by the Father. This view is not new. The Arians taught it at the time of the Council of Nicea. Others denied that Jesus was the infinite uncreated Creator from the first day of His public life. This view was rejected by all of the successors to the Apostles who were able to attend the Council of Nicea.
Basically, LDS is an exotic form of Arianism. |
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I'll answer you on this one. Don't bonther your idiot links. I don't read them. Do I believe in marriage in the 'after life'? You betcha I do. If I even have a remote chance of being with the most awesome man and family for eternity, I'll take it. You? You won't ever marry, let alone date. So you have no hope. I have hope. And I have a man who loves me enough to want to be with me through the eternities. |
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He finished his speech thusly:
Recall the early days of the First Continental Congress in Philadelphia, during the fall of 1774. With Boston occupied by British troops, there were rumors of imminent hostilities and fears of an impending war. In this time of peril, someone suggested that they pray. But there were objections. They were too divided in religious sentiments, what with Episcopalians and Quakers, Anabaptists and Congregationalists, Presbyterians and Catholics.
Then Sam Adams rose, and said he would hear a prayer from anyone of piety and good character, as long as they were a patriot. And so together they prayed, and together they fought, and together, by the grace of God, they founded this great nation.
In that spirit, let us give thanks to the divine author of liberty. And together, let us pray that this land may always be blessed with freedom's holy light.
God bless this great land, the United States of America.
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Ther reason no one reads Synth anymore, is because the links are to distorted 'facts'. I'm sure you know about those. Religion does not belong in this forum. Take it to one of your anti mormon sites. I'm quite sure the thirteen folks there will be happy to discuss our faith in Christ. |
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The speech cited above ended as such:
"Recall the early days of the First Continental Congress in Philadelphia, during the fall of 1774. With Boston occupied by British troops, there were rumors of imminent hostilities and fears of an impending war. In this time of peril, someone suggested that they pray. But there were objections. They were too divided in religious sentiments, what with Episcopalians and Quakers, Anabaptists and Congregationalists, Presbyterians and Catholics.
Then Sam Adams rose, and said he would hear a prayer from anyone of piety and good character, as long as they were a patriot. And so together they prayed, and together they fought, and together, by the grace of God, they founded this great nation.
In that spirit, let us give thanks to the divine author of liberty. And together, let us pray that this land may always be blessed with freedom's holy light.
God bless this great land, the United States of America."
I would hope that we would take these great words and eliminate the religious bigotry that has so infiltrated the political process this year. God bless you all!
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[Robert on June 11, 2008 5:07 PM]"Do you think he told Abraham, Jacob, David, and countless others."
No.
Do you think God told Abraham that polygamy is OK? If 'yes': reference, please.
Genesis 16
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis%2016;&v ersion=9;
"God is the same yesterday, today, and forever, right?"
Mormons don't think so.
"So, yes, I certainly think he did."
Do you think God told anyone that polygamy *isn't* OK?
If so, who was that someone?
Do you think there will be marriage in the afterlife?
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Luke 20 (King James Version)
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke%2020;&vers ion=9;
27 Then came to him certain of the Sadducees, which deny that there is any resurrection; and they asked him,
28 Saying, Master, Moses wrote unto us, If any man's brother die, having a wife, and he die without children, that his brother should take his wife, and raise up seed unto his brother.
29 There were therefore seven brethren: and the first took a wife, and died without children.
30 And the second took her to wife, and he died childless.
31 And the third took her; and in like manner the seven also: and they left no children, and died.
32 Last of all the woman died also.
33 Therefore in the resurrection whose wife of them is she? for seven had her to wife.
34 And Jesus answering said unto them, The children of this world marry, and are given in marriage:
35 But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage:
36 Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection.
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In the Rose Park section of SLC, 'they' came to her door. It was not quiet, when they were treated polietly, and told that she was happy with her faith in Christ. It quickly became a bashing match. |
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Great quote. Who said it? (I already know, but if I put it on, I'll get 'hit' by the ones who don't get it). |
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A great American once said:
"The diversity of our cultural expression, and the vibrancy of our religious dialogue, has kept America in the forefront of civilized nations even as others regard religious freedom as something to be destroyed.
In such a world, we can be deeply thankful that we live in a land where reason and religion are friends and allies in the cause of liberty, joined against the evils and dangers of the day. And you can be certain of this: Any believer in religious freedom, any person who has knelt in prayer to the Almighty, has a friend and ally in me. And so it is for hundreds of millions of our countrymen: We do not insist on a single strain of religion — rather, we welcome our nation's symphony of faith."
Its too bad so many on here who support a certain other candidate doesn't see it this way.
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We're talking about a 178 year old church, one lead personally by Jesus Christ himself, through living Prophets. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is the 4th largest Christian denomination in the USA.
Your own pollster, George Barna, has found that LDS believe basic Christian doctrines more thoroughly, and live better Christian lives than the rest of the denominations, so I wouldn't worry to much about the bad kool aid if I were you. |
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Why did you not admit in the first place that the SBC was distributing Mormonism Unmaked, instead of your drivel about just going door to door professing their belief in Christ?
Because you, my friend, are the liar - exposed. |
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Does anyone here believe God the Father used to be a man?
If so, what's the evidence in support of that claim?
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Tozer, A.W. 1961. _The Knowledge of The Holy_, page 8.
http://64.233.169.104/search?q=cache:rHLwA6S0r8kJ:www.david cox.com.mx/library/T/Tozer%2520-%2520Knowledge%2520Of%2520T he%2520Holy%2520(b).pdf
When the Scripture states that man was made in
the image of God, we dare not add to that statement
an idea from our own head and make it mean "in
the exact image." To do so is to make man a replica
of God, and that is to lose the unicity of God and
end with no God at all. It is to break down the wall,
infinitely high, that separates That-which-is-God
from that-which-is-not-God. To think of creature and
Creator as alike in essential being is to rob God of
most of His attributes and reduce Him to the status
of a creature.
....
When we try to imagine what God is like we must of
necessity use that-which-is-not-God as the raw
material for our minds to work on; hence whatever
we visualize God to be, He is not, for we have
constructed our image out of that which He has
made and what He has made is not God. If we insist
upon trying to imagine Him, we end with an idol,
made not with hands but with thoughts; and an idol
of the mind is as offensive to God as an idol of the
hand.
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God the Father has flesh & bones body?
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.religion.mormon/msg/f4a4 46889b442ab7
is God unchangeable from all eternity?;
Moroni 8:18 & Mormon 9:9
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.religion.mormon/msg/188f 9d10690ebc93
pre-1921 D&C: "the Father being a personage of spirit"
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.religion.mormon/msg/fbc4 10964a4c53b4
God the Father is invisible; the Word was made flesh
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.religion.mormon/msg/5318 62e1b5fa9db7
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If they do sincerely believe that Mormonism is a cult, that hey, Joseph Smith was a con man who made up a false bible, why is it wrong for them to say so.
I think we get so hung up on religious tolerance that we tolerate things we shouldn't. That's how we get David Koresh burning his sheep alive or Jim Jones squirting poison Kool-Aid down a baby's throat.
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I'll probably regret this
I am making a concerted effort not to respond to JoeB but his account of the SBC convention in Salt Lake was just not the complete story:
"In 1998, the Southern Baptist Convention (SBC) descended on Salt Lake City for their annual meeting. If you think that's an unusual choice, you'd be right. The number of blah, blah...
I have been handed a copy of "Mormonism Unmasked" and it is not just professing the SBC's belief in Jesus as their Savior.
Sorry Princess. Let's tell the whole story."
Well, interestingly enough, you didn't post your source like I did. Usually, when someone doesn't post a source, he's trying to hide something.
Fortunately, "princess" Google is your friend. I found your little smear piece...
http://www.uncorrelated.com/2007/12/huckabee_slings_some_m ud.html
Yup, not a news source, but some whacky right wing blog...
Now, as far as "Mormonism Unmasked", this isn't a phamplet, it's a book distributed by the SBC, and it's very useful for cult awareness.
http://www.amazon.com/Mormonism-Unmasked-Confronting-Contra dictions-Christianity/dp/0805416528
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What percentage? Well, possibly 35%, but probably less than ten percent. Idiots because subtantively, Huckabee's outlook was neither Republican nor conservative. Or even moderate. Which makes such individuals about as bad Obama supporters who don't get that he is an empty-suit leftist. |
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Do you think he told Abraham, Jacob, David, and countless others. God is the same yesterday, today, and forever, right? So, yes, I certainly think he did. |
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I freely acknowledge that there are reasons to be skeptical of Romney's conservatism. I believe him, but I understand the questions about how truly conservative he is. I don't agree with bringing up Huck's son here. I've known wonderful people who have had kids do bad stuff. I wish we could leave that alone. And yes, Huck has been a strong supporter of life and the 2nd amendment. But he also has a track record of performance that makes him far from the ideal VP candidate to many of us. |
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should be who helps the candidate more. I know there should be the whole 'Well, who can be a credible CinC if the worst happens to McCain', but come on, we are talking politics here.
Does Romney help McCain in any swing states? Michigan maybe. However, he hurts him in VA, NC, and possibly GA.
Does Huck help McCain in swing states? Yup, he does because he'll get the Evangelicals out.
Does Romney's religion hurt or help McCain? Hurt, obviously. Does Huck's religion help or hurt McCain? It would help, and with Evangelicals, McCain needs help.
Does Huck's baggage hurt McCain. Probably. The Wayne Dumond thing looks bad when taken out of context, and I don't think the average voter has the ability to process context.
The advantage Romney could bring is the ability to raise money. Again, however, McCain has stated his intent to accept federal funding (which I think is a fatal mistake) but this isn't going to be much help. |
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I am making a concerted effort not to respond to JoeB but his account of the SBC convention in Salt Lake was just not the complete story:
"In 1998, the Southern Baptist Convention (SBC) descended on Salt Lake City for their annual meeting. If you think that's an unusual choice, you'd be right. The number of SBC members in Utah is negligible, but the message would be unmistakable. In spite of nearly identical political and social mores, the SBC disdained association with Latter-day Saints in Jerry Falwell's abortive Moral Majority. As is custom for such annual meetings, there is a massive proselyting effort in the environs of the city, but for Salt Lake, the SBC produced a 50 minute video entitled, "the Mormon Puzzle" and distributed to ALL 40,000 Baptist congregations sending delegates to the meeting. In addition, the SBC also printed over 12,000 copies of "Mormonism Unmasked" The materials characterized Mormonism as a dangerous cult (a dehumanizing Evangelical perjorative) and a major threat to SBC interests. However it mainly instructed "messengers" on how to attack the beliefs of their Mormon targets. There was little doubt that this provocative action by the SBC was designed to be a showdown--the mainstream press sent its largest contingent ever to the Salt Lake City annual meeting, hoping for open warfare. In the end, Mormon church leadership simply encouraged its members to be courteous to their Baptist brethren and the story evaporated."
I have been handed a copy of "Mormonism Unmasked" and it is not just professing the SBC's belief in Jesus as their Savior.
Sorry Princess. Let's tell the whole story.
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[MaineConservative on June 11, 2008 4:04 PM]"Romney did point out differences in policy."
Democrats For Romney
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PiCqxKLIVDY
Romney: McCain's bill gives, and doesn't give, amnesty to illegals
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3RtlC4g96ck
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Kelly, Chris. 7 January 2008. "Mitticisms: 'Amnesty'"
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/chris-kelly/mitticisms-amnest y_b_80162.html
....Romney ....he's the one candidate who's ready to
mislead on Day One.
Imagine if Mitt Romney sold you something -- let's
say some land in Glengarry Glen Ross -- and you
were trying to get your money back, and he started
pulling this... on you.
Mitt Romney: From Flip-Flop To See-Saw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=up60e-ygalU
Some Mitticisms appear in:
Luo, Michael. 22 December 2007. "Romney Learns That 'Facts Are Stubborn Things'" _The New York Times_
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/22/us/politics/21cnd-romney. html?hp
Allott, Daniel. 20 December 2007. "Romney, get real about your abortion record"
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1207/7482.html
Romney lacks credibility on *anything*
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=99a7821a-ebdb-4003-b0a 4-5c849369e91c%40i29g2000prf.googlegroups.com
28 December 2007
More Mitt Malarkey
Romney repeats misleading claims about McCain's stand on immigration and his own record on taxes.
http://www.factcheck.org/more_mitt_malarkey.html
Bank, Justin and Lori Robertson, of factcheck.org. 19 December 2007. "Romney on Huckabee II
Romney attacks Huckabee again with false and misleading claims."
http://www.newsweek.com/id/80949
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I know you were talking about ATTACK ADS AND WHAT THEY SAID ABOUT HUCK.
I said there is a huge difference between ads pointing out differences in policy (these are what you are referring to when you say ATTACK ADS, I assume), and personal attacks. Romney was the first to run comparison ads pointing out policy differences. Huckabee was the one who resorted to personal attacks.
Now, sloandog is actually right. McCain is the nominee so none of this even matters so I'm signing off this topic. Anyway, I'm off to see Glen Beck tonight. |
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[Robert on June 11, 2008 3:01 PM]"It wasn't his son who plastered anti-Mormon sites all over his web site, that lead to sites of known lies and half truths."
Websites such as what?
HuckPAC's blogroll is at
http://www.huckpac.com/?FuseAction=Blogs.Home
"As stated earlier, 'Ye shall know them by their fruits'"
Do you think God told Joseph Smith that polygamy is OK?
D&C 132
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.religion.mormon/msg/ccb0 54f85c94ee16?hl=en
"it wasn't his son who lied about having a degree in Theology"
What's the difference between "a degree in Theology" and a BA in Biblical Studies?
http://campaignspot.nationalreview.com/post/?q=NTdmMWE3Mjhj ZTgyM2RhYzFmMWRiMzY2MThjZTMxZWY=
"What the Governor has is a BA in Biblical Studies."
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John Conryn has opened up a 13 point lead 52-39 in Texas. This guy is worthy of support. He is a leader in the fight against amnesty. In a state that is 38% Hispanic that takes guts. Do you like Senator Conryn? |
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Thank you for your consistently kind words about us Mormons. You are right that its the Huck crowd (and others - JoeB) who want to make this about religion. For some reason ronwik has missed all of the posts detailing the policy/political issues people here have with Huck. Ethics violations, releasing felons, highway building to boost the economy, and his populism that sounded suspiciously like something John Edwards would say.
The religios bigotry just adds fuel to the fire for those of us who are (or think favorably of) LDS. |
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did that hurt? My point was that people can dislike other people of faith without hating said faith. The reality is that Huckaby and Romney couldn't beat McCain.Think about that.Why should we waste any more time on them? |
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So, since MC didn't actually cite the supposed SBC conference where Huckabee attacked Mormonism, I had to do my own research...
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0208/8322.html
"As it turns out, this isn’t the first time that Huckabee has rubbed Utahans the wrong way. In the summer of 1998, then-Arkansas Gov. Huckabee, along with fellow national church leaders, attended the National Southern Baptist Convention in Salt Lake City.
At the time, the decision to hold the event in the shadow of the Mormon Tabernacle was viewed by many Mormons as an insulting stab directed at the very heart of the LDS church.
Worse, according to an account published in the Salt Lake Tribune during the convention, some 2,000 “messengers” of the Southern Baptist Convention went door to door in Utah and proselytized, “armed with questionnaires and their personal belief in Jesus Christ as their savior.”"
So, in short. The SBC didn't do anything in Utah that Mormons don't do in the rest of the country. Personally, I think its rude for ANY religion to go door to door and bother people unsolicited, but that's just me. But it certainly isn't what MC has portrayed it as.
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"Would you care to restate that in such a way that it is coherent?"
Others seemed to understand. Maybe it's you. Read it again. |
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You said, "Do you deny that it was Romney who first started the sniping at Huckabee and spent millions to run attack ads against him without any provocation whatsoever? After that was done, Huck made a few statements which have garnered much more disdain from some people than Romneys attacks on him ever did. Fair and balanced? I think not. I say tit for tat."
I absolutely disagree with that statement. Romney did point out differences in policy. That is not sniping. I invite you to show me an instance where Romney attacked Huckabee personally or attacked his personal religious affiliation. |
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You asked, "do you hold it against people that they oppose religions that they feel mislead people?"
Not if they do it in a way that clearly promotes their views and not tears down others. Telling me I am misled is not the way to garner my respect. |
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Can I dislike both these guys without invoking the religious persecution crap!To quote the late Groucho Marx :I would be very happy with anyone of you girls if only both of you would go away! |
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Would you care to restate that in such a way that it is coherent? |
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do you hold it against people that they oppose religions that they feel mislead people? |
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J. Sidney McCain are candidates of the rich and powerful (the elite if you like). Romney is also one of theirs'. Thus, there are pressures from a lot of powerful and influential people on McCain to pick Romney.
Remember the main concern of the rich and powerful is to have an administration that will enhance their riches and power. Either one of the two (McCain and Obama) will suffice, although I believe they prefer Obama because he will be easier to dominate. |
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for crying out loud. If Huck's son had done the PC thing and called animal control, they'd have put the dog down. Except maybe by the time Jimmy Joe Bob showed up from animal control, maybe that dog might have bitten one of the kids.
But, please, don't let the facts get in the way of your wonderful LDS hate. |
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I did not say I don't know what was in the literature. I do, and have read it, and it is an attack on Mormonism.
I have not seen a transcript of his speech but the entire convention, which I have seen similar ones, chosen conveniently in the heart of Salk Lake City, was to convince all that Mormons are wrong, not Christians and a cult.
I am just assuming, since Huck was giving the keynote speech that it just may have had something to do with anti-mormonism and not a speech centered around the ten commandments. |
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Truth hurts ya, right?
You mean the fact huckles got more votes only AFTER STAYING IN RACE FOR A MONTH AND HALF LONGER?
That statement?
Later. I've got real work. You might not have any work, but I actually do make a buck or two (legally) from this contraption, and have about 5 reports to write, now that kiddies are down for a noon snooze. |
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of hour.
Listen and learn. |
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So, when he hung the dog from the tree, it was drugged? Ok, that makes it soooo much better in my book. |
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MaineConservative writes: Clincher for me regarding Huck
The things Huckabee has done/said that lost respect from many have been well documented here, but the one clincher for me, a third party observer, was:
Giving that keynote speech at the anti-mormon convention in Salt Lake City in which anti-mormon literature was distributed around the city, then not explaining it or releaseing what he said.
I also have had the Mormon missionaries visit my home and they always bring upbeat, positive messages and have never denegrated my beliefs. I could respect Huckabee if he promoted his religious beliefs but when it turns into denegrating other's, he loses me."
I've had Mormon missionaries visit my home, but my rottweiller chased them off. Got a big chunk of magic underwear in his teeth, too.
Anyway, does anyone actually have a link to this supposed "anti-Mormon" conference MC is talking about, or is he just making stuff up because he's afraid the GOP will abandoned its committment to unfettered greed?
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"To clarify....
Huckabeen, in my opinion, is despicable not because of his religious background but because he lacks integrity, is ethically-challenged, raised a son who tortured a dog to death (the Bible says "By his fruits, ye shall know him) was easy on criminals, has a potty-mouth, the list goes on......"
Okay, first, that dog was euthanized because it was a sick animal that posed a threat to scouts under the younger Huckabee's charge.
Second, while Huckabee granted a number of clemencies, he also signed a number of death warrents. A lot of those clemencies were made necessary by some of the truly egregious actions of local prosecutors in Arkansas. (Keep in mind, this is a state dominated by the Clintons for a decades before Huck came in.)
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"what about Romney hiring gays"
Are the Mormons here OK with the appointing of open homosexuals to positions of authority?
3 March 2005. "Mitt Romney’s secret gay history!" _Bay Windows_
http://www.baywindows.com/index.php?ch=columnists&sc=the_ro mney_files
Romney also continued Weld’s tradition of appointing openly gay people to key positions in his administration. One of his first cabinet appointments was Daniel Grabauskas, who Romney chose to serve in his cabinet as secretary of the Executive Office of Transportation and Construction.
The new governor’s transition team also included several openly gay people, including Grabauskas, former lieutenant governor candidate and current president of the national Log Cabin Republicans Patrick Guerriero, and former Mass. Log Cabin president Mark Goshko.
Other gay Romney appointees include John Wagner, commissioner of the state welfare department, Mitchell Adams, executive director of the Massachusetts Technology Collaborative, and Jonathan Spampinato, a member of Romney’s Diversity and Equal Opportunity Council. Two out lesbian appointees were fired by the governor shortly after getting legally married to their same-sex partners: Ardith Wieworka, former commissioner of Child Care Services, who was let go last summer, and Katherine Abbott, former commissioner of the Department of Conservation and Recreation, who was asked to resign last month after her department was blamed for not adequately clearing sidewalks
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He [Romney] offered political and financial support to two openly gay Republican candidates for state representative in 2004, Richard Babson in the Eighth Suffolk District and Michael Motzkin of the Ninth Essex District, who both lost. Both candidates were promoted as part of the Romney Reform Team.
Romney judges
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=9380a1ac-650e-4e62-a8a 8-cc86e06ca2a1%40q77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com
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It wasn't Huckabee's son who was charged with 12, and convicted of 7 ethics violations while Governor. It wasn't his son who released more criminals over his period of Governor than all his neighboring states combined, in spite of the fact that his is a small population state. It wasn't his son who plastered anti-Mormon sites all over his web site, that lead to sites of known lies and half truths.
There is no way we want a bigot like this within a thousand years of the white house. As stated earlier, "Ye shall know them by their fruits" Oh, and it wasn't his son who lied about having a degree in Theology either, was it?? |
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[ParisParamus on June 11, 2008 12:00 AM]"I am really sick of reading how Romney will lose evangelicals. These are the same idiots who voted for Huckabee and/or people sufficiently outside the political mainstream that they should be ignored."
What percent of Georgia's Republicans are "idiots"?
Georgia Republican Primary Results
http://projects.washingtonpost.com/2008-presidential-candid ates/primaries/states/ga/r/
Candidate Votes %
Mike Huckabee 326,069 34%
John McCain 303,639 32%
Mitt Romney 289,737 30%
Ron Paul 27,978 3%
Rudy Giuliani 7,039 1%
Fred Thompson 3,378 0%
Alan Keyes 1,456 0%
Duncan Hunter 753 0%
Tom Tancredo 323 0%
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The things Huckabee has done/said that lost respect from many have been well documented here, but the one clincher for me, a third party observer, was:
Giving that keynote speech at the anti-mormon convention in Salt Lake City in which anti-mormon literature was distributed around the city, then not explaining it or releaseing what he said.
I also have had the Mormon missionaries visit my home and they always bring upbeat, positive messages and have never denegrated my beliefs. I could respect Huckabee if he promoted his religious beliefs but when it turns into denegrating other's, he loses me.
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Shelby simply believes parents should be held responsible for the sins of their children (although that maybe only if the parent is Huckabee). Not too mention, Huckabee's son was not convicted of anything, which Shelby fails to mention.
While Romney's opponents harp about his record, Huckabee's opponents dwell on unproven character assassination. This definitely reveals who voted for and still supports Romney. |
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Huckabeen, in my opinion, is despicable not because of his religious background but because he lacks integrity, is ethically-challenged, raised a son who tortured a dog to death (the Bible says "By his fruits, ye shall know him) was easy on criminals, has a potty-mouth, the list goes on...... |
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Sure, everyone's got baggage, but Huckabeen's got TONS OF IT and he lacks integrity! Huckabeen advertises himself as the Christian values-voter candidate--that makes him all the more despicable. He would cause McCain to lose for sure in a general election. |
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Please please tell me WHO does not have SOME baggage if you can? No-one is prefect! NO-ONE! Geez! Why can't some of you people understand that one simple little fact???????? |
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I read another veep article noting that Romney would be a good conservative VP choice without all the Huckabee baggage.
That article hit the nail right on the head!
For baggage and skeletons, check this out:
http://www.realchange.org/huckabee.htm
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McCain can win with Romney. |
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often called a "paper tiger". In other words, all talk with few results. His record in Massachusetts speaks for itself.
If I must list, his healthcare plan is a disaster, Mass. economy grew at a pace slower than the U.S. as a whole, jobs were loss at a greater rate than they were created with him as governor, the pro-life efforts were seriously damaged during his governorship, the pro-family efforts were seriously damaged during his governorship, the pro-second amendment efforts were seriously damaged under his governorship.
However, Romney does bring to McCain one thing most others do not and that is a big pile of money. He is part of the American elite, even more so than McCain. Accordingly, it would not be a surprise for the elite McCain to choose the even more elite Romney.
That being said, the race is between Obama and McCain. If Romney turns off any significant number of conservative or Republican voters, he will be a burden on McCain and a benefit to Obama.
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about Mormons is because my in-laws are Mormons, and through them I know a lot of people who are, let's say of undesirable character at best. One man in particular is a Real Estate Agent who would screw his own mother out of her life's savings in a New York minute. Another is a womanizing dog who lets his kids go without because he is too lazy to work. A couple of the women I know well, are lazy, child bearing machines - 1 has 8 and the other 6 at just 39 and 41 years of age respectfully, and they dress n rags and eat twice a day at best because there's not enough money to buy more food for them. I also know they are late for everything they do, and many of them try and get out of anything they can get out of when it comes to helping their neighbor.
Now, having said that, I must say this. There are many of them I know who are great people, honest, God-fearing, caring people who deserve all the praise one can heap onto them. My point here as with the Huckabee post, is that there is good and bad in all people, men and women alike, no matter their race, religious affiliations, or lack thereof, rich, poor, or otherwise. It's a fact of life. If anyone has taken my posts out of context I would like to sincerely apologize for the misunderstanding. |
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[Lori on June 11, 2008 11:58 AM]"No one is as brilliant with his approach to cutting waste and duplication and turning losing enterprises around. He did it in Massachusetts, he did it at Bain, he did it with the Olympics."
For the Utah Olympics, how much taxpayer $ in the form of federal handouts did Romney:
lobby for?
get?
Lizza, Ryan. 29 October 2007. "The Mission: Mitt Romney’s strategies for success"
http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2007/10/29/071029fa_fact _lizza
Romney’s business background wasn’t enough to beat Kennedy, who turned it into a liability by highlighting stories about companies that were downsized after Bain takeovers. Soon after that loss, Romney began looking for a public platform to showcase his talents. In 1999, he took over the Salt Lake Organizing Committee for the Olympic Winter Games of 2002, which was then mired in a bribery scandal. The tainted officials had been ousted, but a significant financial problem had emerged: there was a projected budget deficit of three hundred and eighty-seven million dollars. Romney cut costs, raised money, and successfully lobbied the federal government to allocate more funds for the Winter Olympics.
"did it in Massachusetts"
Murdock, Deroy. 14 January 2008. "Mitt's Mythical 'Mass. Miracle'"
http://www.spectator.org/dsp_article.asp?art_id=12568
"No one is as brilliant with his approach to"
WSJ editorial. 1 February 2008. "Romney's Convictions"
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB120182471883733637.html?mod =opinion_main_review_and_outlooks
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[Joe on June 10, 2008 8:39 PM]"I like Mitt if Team McCain portrays him as the economic go to guy."
Do you disagree with any of this Ruffini?:
Ruffini, Patrick. 2 February 2008. "Intransigent Huck Voters"
http://hughhewitt.townhall.com/blog/g/3e361230-a9d8-4d02-89 da-b74fcc04dced
fiscal conservatism is where the opinion leaders are, and social conservatism is where the votes are.
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it seems to me that the conservative establishment's decision to go nuclear first on Huckabee (who never had a shot but speaks for voters we need in November) before McCain (who always had a shot but speaks mostly for himself) will rank as a pretty serious strategic blunder.
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JoeB131: you lose all credibility with me, and hopefully, with everyone, by suggesting my motivations for fearing BHO. I fear BHO because he is a combination empty suit-socialist collectivist who will both affirmatively do the wrong things, and fail to do the right things.
You fault Mitt Romney for having to lay people off? Yeah, I'm sure he really enjoyed that. If a company sucks, it needs to be fixed, else it will fail, and everyone will be out of a job."
Yeah, Fault him because they looted that company. Because the pursuit of profits is destroying the middle class and probably making it easier for socialist demagouges like Obama to gain traction. 16 years ago, a guy like Obama couldn't have gotten elected. Now, if I were a betting man, I'd probably lay money on him winning. People look at the good jobs going overseas and wonder about the future. The GOP has been a willing accomplice to this, and they are paying the price politically.
No, I am not a "socialist", but I see the danger of what happens in a society where the middle class is eliminated and you only have the very rich and very poor. Some other examples.
France 1789
Russia 1917
Iran 1979
You see a pattern here, bud? When people are scared about the future, they will listen to any crazy idea.
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Well, if Romney's purpose was to make money, he failed miserably. AmPad had 11 million in debt when Bain acquired it, and 400 million in debt when it went bankrupt in 1999. It's stock was worthless, and it went bankrupt. Another company bought it up and turned it around, eventually.
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/16983679/mitt_ro mney_the_huckster/print
Despite this success, however, Romney moved Bain away from boom-bust venture-capital investments and into the darker world of leveraged buyouts, where the firm borrowed money to make deals. A typical example of Bain's approach was its experience with another office-supply company called Ampad, which it acquired in 1992. In 1993, the company had $11 million in debt; by 1999, that number had grown to nearly $400 million, and the firm eventually declared bankruptcy. But despite Ampad's failure, Bain made a fortune, raking in more than $100 million while driving the company into the ground and destroying hundreds of jobs in places like New York (where 185 people were thrown out of work in a plant closing near Buffalo) and Indiana (where the firm fired 200 workers from a paper factory).
Even more telling was Romney's interest in a medical-testing firm called Damon Corp., which Bain bought in 1989. The company was eventually fined a record $119 million for defrauding the federal government out of $25 million, but Bain still tripled its investment on the Damon deal. And Romney, who was sitting on the Damon board at the time of the fraud (his claim that he was the one who called for an internal investigation has never been substantiated), made a personal profit of $473,000 on the deal.
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[Robert on June 11, 2008 11:35 AM]"Romney will energize the conservative base like no one else."
York, Byron. 4 February 2008.
http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=ZTQ5ODgxNTViNTRjMjIxY2 M5NjdjNjRiODMwNmUzZTk=#more
If Romney does not make significant progress on Super Tuesday, he might decide not to make the investment required to go on.
The key to that decision, and a fundamental question of this campaign, is whether Romney’s advertising blitzes have any lasting positive effect, or whether they are like putting a lighter under a piece of damp wood. The wood will stay lit as long as you hold the flame beneath it, but it will never catch fire by itself. Romney might be like that with the voters. As long as he keeps the TV ads going, he can do well in the polls. But take the ads away, and he fails to catch fire.
Kristol, William. 7 January 2008. "President Mike Huckabee?"
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/07/opinion/07kristol.html?_r =1&hp&oref=slogin
After the last two elections, featuring
the well-born George Bush and Al Gore and John
Kerry, Americans-- even Republicans!-- are
ready for a likable regular guy. Huckabee seems to
be that.
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In Iowa, Huckabee did
something like what Obama did on the Democratic
side, albeit on a smaller scale. He drew new voters
to the caucuses. And he defeated Mitt Romney by
almost two to one, and John McCain by better than
four to one, among voters under 45.
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Shelby, when did McCain say that? I sure hope he did cause that is very promising. |
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When McCain makes a statement like: "There's nobody who represents me better today than Mitt Romney" it appears to me that McCain is just a heartbeat away from making the big announcement that it will be an UNBEATABLE McCain/Romney ticket! |
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The purpose of a business is to make a profit. Without a profit, no one has a job. It is not a business' mission to provide jobs but instead jobs are the means to the purpose--to make a profit. Romney did his job.
Some of you bleeding hearts who think businesses are only there to support the employees are not using your heads. If I were working for a company facing negative returns, I would be looking for another job and not expect my employer to keep losing money in order to pay me. Smarten up. |
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JoeB131: you lose all credibility with me, and hopefully, with everyone, by suggesting my motivations for fearing BHO. I fear BHO because he is a combination empty suit-socialist collectivist who will both affirmatively do the wrong things, and fail to do the right things.
You fault Mitt Romney for having to lay people off? Yeah, I'm sure he really enjoyed that. If a company sucks, it needs to be fixed, else it will fail, and everyone will be out of a job. |
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[K.G. on June 11, 2008 11:29 AM]"Mormons have happily gone about their business considering evangelicals to be fellow travelers in moral and conservative causes."
Are you OK with Multimillionaire Mormon Mitt's forcing Catholic hospitals to dispense chemical abortion pills?
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Helman, Scott. 9 December 2005. "Romney says no hospitals are exempt from pill law
He reverses stand on Plan B"
http://www.boston.com/news/local/articles/2005/12/09/romney _says_no_hospitals_are_exempt_from_pill_law/
Reilly, seeking the Democratic nomination in the governor's race, took credit yesterday, as did other Democrats and reproductive rights organizations, for pressuring Romney to abandon a policy they said would have only burdened victims.
''I think we're all very happy that the administration has backed off on this," Reilly told reporters yesterday at a press conference with representatives of Planned Parenthood and NARAL Pro-Choice Massachusetts. ''This administration was on a road that would have made it worse for women in that position."
Romney flips, & backs forcing Catholic hospitals to dispense morning-after abortion pill
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=3e6675e4-6f6e-4c84-b1a 1-5d3a743d140e%4021g2000hsj.googlegroups.com
Fournier, Deacon Keith. 1/26/2008. "Let Huckabee Speak, Let Huckabee Run… and check his pockets" _Catholic Online_
http://www.catholic.org/national/national_story.php?id=2659 1
....I found him [Huckabee] to be the most clearly pro-life, pro-family and pro-poor candidate in the current Republican field.
Romney: I can't help Catholic bishops on issue of state forcing Catholics to place adoption children with homosexuals
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=ef1f479b-a2f0-4357-835 b-cc3e4ad55242%40c4g2000hsg.googlegroups.com
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[Joe on June 10, 2008 8:39 PM]"I like Mitt if Team McCain portrays him as the economic go to guy."
Do you think McCain needs to shore up his levels of support among social conservatives?
Do you think Romney handled the MA economy well?
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Murdock, Deroy. 14 January 2008. "Mitt's Mythical 'Mass. Miracle'"
http://www.spectator.org/dsp_article.asp?art_id=12568
Medved, Michael. 17 January 2008.
"Mitt Claims Victory - as a Democrat!"
http://michaelmedved.townhall.com/blog/g/741d812a-c161-4623 -893e-5072488703b1
disgusting Romney
http://www.spectator.org/blogger.asp?BlogID=11056
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So when he ran AmPad into the ground after putting all those folks out of work, exactly how was that "turning things around" |
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to come along in a long time. No one is as brilliant with his approach to cutting waste and duplication and turning losing enterprises around. He did it in Massachusetts, he did it at Bain, he did it with the Olympics. I believe he has a gift that few others have. A unique talent to come along at a unique time. He has demonstrated he is a can-do guy. I want that for my country. I want someone who has faced daunting challenges and risen to meet them.
I want him to cut waste and duplication and that will mean fewer government employees. Good. Why were they hired to waste taxpayers money in the first place.
I want him to inspire the conservatives as he did at CPAC. I loved his Faith in America speech. Especially at the end where he illustrates what can be accomplished if we put our religious divisions aside and work together for our common moral causes.
I want that for our my country. I want the smartest, the most successful, the best-looking, the most faithful family man, the most generous and unselfish, the ablest at complex issues, the most conservative across the spectrum, the most George Washington-esque guy. I want Romney.
The way I look at it, anyone else would be settling for less. Why settle to appease a few and deprive the nation of what Romney can do best---turn things around. He can do it! |
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KG: JoeB: Who Is Your Father?
Me: Darth Vader!
KG:Just so you know, there has not been "dislike" coming from Mormons against evangelicals until this election. It's people like you and Huck's henchmen who have stirred this up.
Me: Actually, it's my understanding that this hostility goes way back, mostly because Evangelicals and LDS target the same emotionally needy people. And frankly, all Huck did was ask one dumb question (or maybe not so dumb) about Mormon cosmology that he IMMEDIATELY apologized for.
KG: Mormons have happily gone about their business considering evangelicals to be fellow travelers in moral and conservative causes. Mormons have been vaguely aware of the antipathy toward them, but graciously believed you were otherwise good people.
ME: Just to clarify, (again) I'm not an Evangelicals. I'm a disaffected Catholic. My antipathy against LDS is based on reason and logic, not dogma.
KG: But for you guys to say the things you do and not expect to generate a little "dislike?" That challenges the grace of even the most committed Saint.
Me: It has always been my opinion is that when you get a person mad, you see the real person, and not the front they put up in life. Want to know a person, get into a fight with them.
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I can only judge people through my life experiences .So when it comes to LDS people I have limited but pertinent info to go by.Besides the well spoken and enthusiastic young men who come to my door on bicycles and white helmuts I worked for a nice couple who were very business oriented and were constantly trying to convert me so much so that I had to leave for peace of mind.
This was in my youth and I really didn't think about LDS again till the Rep primaries.I was an ardent Thompson supporter and active on his blog. When he dropped out I naturally went to Mitts' site hoping to find solace,but what I began to see was an underlying theme of elitism by some of the LDS columnists for the blog,to be fair not all of them but enough to give me pause.I still would have voted for Mitt uptill the last debate,but he looked so weak and pathetic.He had three chances to dispel McCains' bogus charges of time tables and all he could do was throw up his hands like some frustrated interior decorator.It was at that moment I knew this man could never be our president or for that matter a heartbeat away from it. |
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[Lori on June 10, 2008 9:56 PM]"Romney helps McCain mitigate his liberal nature by bringing conservative ideals."
Ideals such as?
"Its what Romney does best, fixing what's wrong."
What do you think of RomneyCare?
Do you dislike Romney's picking Stephen S. Abany?
Lewis, Raphael. 25 July 2005. "Romney jurist picks not tilted to GOP
Independents, Democrats get call" _The Boston Globe_
http://www.boston.com/news/local/articles/2005/07/25/romney _jurist_picks_not_tilted_to_gop/
Romney, despite his opposition to same-sex
marriage, in May selected for a district court
judgeship Stephen S. Abany, a former board
member of the Massachusetts Lesbian and Gay Bar
Association who organized the group's opposition to
a 1999 bill to outlaw same-sex marriage.
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The New Big Dig
May 21, 2008; Page A18
http://online.wsj.com/article_email/SB121132884197208937-lM yQjAxMDI4MTIxMTMyMjE4Wj.html
RomneyCare funds MA abortions, and is KennedyCare/ HillaryCare,
bottom section of
Huckabee vs. Romney
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics.republicans/msg /b8874f14563f4df0
Romney's stellar judicial appointments
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=9380a1ac-650e-4e62-a8a 8-cc86e06ca2a1%40q77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com
Romney sought 'diversity' with court appointments; Romney's Judge Tuttman
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=b321eb50-1b0c-4abc-8ef a-66b40fff3703%40e10g2000prf.googlegroups.com
remember punditry's malpractice this primary season
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics.republicans/msg /a49836376d61bdc3
Romney a shape-shifting political opportunist e.g. on homosexuality
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=38cebb6b-6493-49b3-857 4-9120f8a068c0%40s12g2000prg.googlegroups.com
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PP:"I am really sick of reading how Romney will lose evangelicals. These are the same idiots who voted for Huckabee and/or people sufficiently outside the political mainstream that they should be ignored."
The real problem is that Evangelicals are starting to wake up to the fact that the GOP doesn't represent their best economic interests. Nominating a Corporate Shark like Romney who also belongs to a religion they despise would smack them upside the head like a mackeral.
"News Flash: we live in a secular republic in which a person's values trump their professed creed. Further news flash: your religion was some wacky beliefs too, but if you are a decent, moral person, I don't care, and you shouldn't either."
Sorry, a decent, moral person doesn't put 350 people with families to feed out of jobs to put millions in his own pockets.
"What you should care about is the specter of an Obama Administration, and the harm it will do to your country, your national defense, your economy, and your families."
Oooh, fear the scary black man. Look, the GOP has to give us reasons to vote FOR them, not against the other guy.
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Mitt Romney has the most amazing qualifications of anyone running for President in at least 100 years, if not much longer. If McCain is smart enough to put him on the ticket, he will win the Presidency.
As for evangelicals not voting for him, that's just plain bonkers. I know many of them, family members and others, and they love Mitt Romney. Even many Huckabee supporters like Mitt Romney, just look at the exit polls. Romney will energize the conservative base like no one else.
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Just so you know, there has not been "dislike" coming from Mormons against evangelicals until this election. It's people like you and Huck's henchmen who have stirred this up.
Mormons have happily gone about their business considering evangelicals to be fellow travelers in moral and conservative causes. Mormons have been vaguely aware of the antipathy toward them, but graciously believed you were otherwise good people.
But for you guys to say the things you do and not expect to generate a little "dislike?" That challenges the grace of even the most committed Saint.
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I love how you attack me without talking to me directly. Nice touch...
As I said, I've known LDS, too, and found them to be the most back-stabbing m... well, you know the rest. That was before I made myself an expert on what they truly believe, and discovered they are Scientology plus 150 years.
What I found out in this campaign is that I am not alone in my intense dislike for them. Apparently, a lot of other people dislike them, too. |
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That's me?
All I'm saying is that you seemed to have degenerated into the JoeB swamp. I am not defending Queenmom, who I think is usually over the top, but can't you guys see that when you characterize Mormons as idiotic cult members reproducing like rats, that those terms may be a little offensive to Mormons?
I'm not sure how I got into the position of defending mormonism because I don't pretend to be an expert on their doctrine, but the many I have known do their very best to love and care for their families, their neighbors and their country. To me, they conduct their lives as Christ taught us, so it even offends me when they are characterized in such derogatory terms. |
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Mainconservative
No-one is perfect and I just admitted that he does have good qualities, as they all do, as well as bad ones. It's just that I recognize that and some of you don't. Where's your character, Mr. attack machine? In your little toe, maybe? |
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You have the audacity to say "I have the character to admit that Romney is a good man" in the paragraph after you say he only bought votes "from the humungous number of Mormons out there who reproduce like rats"?
You, my friend, have no character. |
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On the veeps. I see Obama is reaching for the starts - literaly - in trying to find a retired military guy who he can work with. Are we going to witness another Adm. Stocksdale? (Who am I. What am I doing here?) And how will Obama square with the american pulbic that the surge is working?
And Romney. My man. He's in Mass raising cash hand over fist, with MCCAIN. Even Mr. Mac has told folks that they've burried the hatchet, and have had their families spend time together. That must be sending some former candidates into heart faiure.
Read it and weep.
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/ |
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...produced Romney. It's pretty scary to contemplate what produced you. |
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There are a few that walk lockstep with what their preachers tell them to do. But most (and polls reflect this) show that McCain/Romney is a winning ticket. More so than a Obama/Clinton ticket.
Those that won't vote because of Religion, are out there. But they are few and far between. |
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Once you take off the rosy glasses, you'll admit that it took Huckabee over a month and a half to garner votes even close to Romney. Romeny had suspended long before the ego driven Huck did.
You might want to read what politco posted about what McCain said about Romney. Pretty leading and leaning to Romney, if you ask me. |
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go back on vacation. We did not miss you. You toss out the religion bomb (idiot cult), an expect us to stand by and take your crap?
I hope townhall gets a clue and bans you. Your the idiot, not us. |
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If McCain takes Romney, he will seal his probable defeat.
First, there is the religion issue. 37% of voters have said they will not vote for a Mormon, and amongst evangelicals, that number boosts up to 45%. As McCain is already weak amongst Evangelicals, this would be fatal, especially in must win states like Virginia, North Carolina and Georgia.
(and, no LDS-bots, I'm not interested in having another tedious discussion about your idiotic cult.)
That number is probably low. A lot of respondents probably said they would because they didn't want the pollster to think badly of them. (Keep in mind, 8% of whites polled say they won't vote for a black guy, but Hillary's tenacity in the race shows its higher even amongst Democrats.
Second, his record as a venture capitalist is poison in this political environment. This is a guy who made hundreds of millions of dollars putting hard working people out of jobs. Maybe that's tolerable in an environment where unemployment is low and people have hopes of getting new jobs, but in one where everyone is looking over their shoulders, it's a huge "Kick Me" sign on the back of your candidate. |
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You write: "I am really sick of reading how Romney will lose evangelicals. These are the same idiots who voted for Huckabee and/or people sufficiently outside the political mainstream that they should be ignored."
Huckabee got almost as many popular votes as Romney did. It's not wise to "ignore" over 4 million voters.
I would rather see Romney get the VP, because even though McCain has everything going for him now that Obama is the DemNom, I have absolute faith in McCain's ability to pull defeat from the jaws of victory.
Huckabee/Jindal 2012!
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Paris is right. I have become a bit of a apathetic cynic. I don't like my choices. I won't write any checks, and I probably won't vote. However, if McCain chooses Romney, there is hope in 2012 and I may indeed write a check. Hopefully, irrational bigots like Jess and those Huck hounds are few in number. |
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Barack Obama YOU HAVE SAID NOTHING about the N A U (SPP.GOV). You MUST know this “business deal” was done by Pres. Bush with his friend, confidant & past Pres. of Mexico, V. Fox. This quietly done "deal" was ORALLY solidified at the Bush ranch. It was never debated by the legislature or told to American citizens. We now see plans for a Super Highway, where thousands of acres of tax payer property will be confiscated through (the Kelo vs New London Court rule) eminent domain process. PRIVATE PROPERTY IS CENTRAL TO THE FREEDOM AMERICANS ENJOY. The N A U- “NAFTA Super Highway” deal negates this basic, American right to own, retain, safeguard and preserve property owned by families, in many cases, for generations. The NAU, surreptitiously done by President Bush in 2005, with NO debate or vetting by the legislature, completely disenfranchised Americans of any knowledge of or say in the matter. It is the equal of a virtual coup in surrendering U.S. sovereignty to a trilateral entity that, in the form of a N A U, could equal the European Union that dictates to the citizens of 27 European states. Senator, you need to tell American your position on preserving U.S. Sovereignty. The N.A.U., if actively denounced in your campaign, could win you the presidency. Your opponents have never talked of this vital issue - - meanwhile the Bush admin. is proceeding as thought this private scheme is a “done deal”. American is watching, listening & waiting to see how you stand on this critical matter. P.S. House Concurrent Resolution 40 states Congressional DISAPPROVAL of the NAFTA Highway & N A U. You are NOT among the 48 COSPONSORS of the bill. Why? Ron Paul introduced H.R. 5191, prohibiting use of federal funds for N A U highway projects. Back this bill & show you support the sovereignty, independence & freedom of America. |
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What would make you think McCain would have better USSC picks than Obabam? Other then the war and a few tax issues. McCain has done far more to kill the Republican party then Obama ever has. Both McCain and Obama are far to the left side of JFK. McCain has cut more deals with socialist (d) then Obama has and both McCain and Obama want the USA to merge with Mexico.
As sad as it is. Few understand this mess like Virginia Patriot does.
The only way out is for the RNC to Torricelli McCain or go the way of the wiggs.
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easier for me to justify voting for McCain. Huckabee will guarentee that I would not. I like Sarah Palin. But she's got more on her plate than I would want for someone heartbeat from president. Jindal? Too wet behind the ears, and way too young! Ilke him, and want to watch him grow up with his new state calling. Both Palin and Jindal are needed right where they are.
Filling up the van put a huge dent in our budget. Husband came home tonight to say that orders at his company are down, and they have a hiring freeze. Yes folk, it's the economy, stuipd all over again. I am noticing that McCain economic speeches are sounding more and more like pages out of the Romney campaign. |
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Jess,
facts wrong, overly harsh irrational conclusions, personal attacks.
Wow what a guy you are! |
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(my post should read: "Further news flash: your religion has some wacky beliefs too...) |
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Wow. Superstar. Flipper, but not a flopper in any sense of the word. A man i can trust. A man who does have the respect. And now even Mac has been saying some nice words about the Romneys. Bet huckabee is spinning on his bass with the Politico blurb! |
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I am really sick of reading how Romney will lose evangelicals. These are the same idiots who voted for Huckabee and/or people sufficiently outside the political mainstream that they should be ignored.
News Flash: we live in a secular republic in which a person's values trump their professed creed. Further news flash: your religion was some wacky beliefs too, but if you are a decent, moral person, I don't care, and you shouldn't either.
What you should care about is the specter of an Obama Administration, and the harm it will do to your country, your national defense, your economy, and your families.
Please wake up, please grow up, and get real. |
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Virginia,
Hope you'll enjoy an Obama presidency, because that's exactly what you'll get with that attitude. We can't afford to throw away Supreme Court Justice nominations like that, sorry.
Hugh,
I know Mitt's your man, but I think he'd be one of the worst pics for Veep. McCain needs to go with a fresh face, someone like Bobby Jindal.
Tom Ridge would also be a devastating pick. |
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We all know that there are a bunch (how many? who knows?) that have it in their thick skulls that voting for a Mormon helps mainstream the Church instead of keeping it marginalized.
We've all heard them: If one person were to become (or stay) Mormon because of their vote, that person's damnation would be on their head.
It appears that the fact that these people are damned fools who don't understand their own doctine never occurs to them. It is what it is.
The bogus flip/flop meme is just a smoke screen.
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McCain-Rice: 'I know Bush, Trust me he's no Bush,' would accentuate O's inexperience, plus other obvious political benefits
McCain-Sanford: The All-American Maverick Ticket
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Ditto. Not sure how McCain will do. Not really hoping for Romney as VP, I believe he would prefer to NOT get the job.
Some have suggested JC Watts. And Michael Steele could be a good choice as well. |
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Here's a news flash, dude. Real live human beings will fill the offices of POTUS and VP. No supermen, no messiahs, just plain ol' people.
Both candidates could pretty much have their pick. Folks is just folks. Gotta go with whatcha got.
People can crab about Mitt: hair, too perfect. Stance: too stiff. Family: Too traditional. Skin: Too white; gender: Too male; Intelligence: Too high; Portfolio: Too rich; Wife: Too nice. Flipper: Maybe, but not a flopper.
Evidentally evangelicals don't believe in change, growth, redemption or forgiveness. You either start out perfect or you're toast. But if you're too perfect, you're done. |
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Jess,
After actually viewing the videos of Romney that were suppose to indicate he was a flip-flopper, I found him to be rather consistent in his positions. But you, as many, believed the sound bites on his "change" from one position to a new position as flip-flopping instead of just solidifying his position.
As to the religious issue, I personally know several people that "questioned" his religion. Good Southern Baptists. And Huckabee was blatantly prejudicial in many comments concerning LDS church.
By the way, we don't need an economist to fix the economy. We need someone that understands the economy to explain the ills of government regulation and interference.
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These choices will really bring clarity to the race.
What a joke,and I thought it couldn't get worse.I hope someone wakes me up when this nightmare is over. |
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Testimony before Congress
On March 15, 2000, Zinni testified before Congress that "Iraq remains the most significant near-term threat to U.S. interests in the Persian Gulf region. This is primarily due to its large conventional military force, pursuit of WMD, oppressive treatment of Iraqi citizens, refusal to comply with United Nations Security Council resolutions (UNSCR), persistent threats to enforcement of the no-fly zones (NFZ), and continued efforts to violate UN Security Council sanctions through oil smuggling."
"While Iraq's WMD capabilities were degraded under UN supervision and set back by Coalition strikes, some capabilities remain and others could quickly be regenerated. Despite claims that WMD efforts have ceased, Iraq probably is continuing clandestine nuclear research, retains stocks of chemical and biological munitions, and is concealing extended-range SCUD missiles, possibly equipped with CBW payloads.
WIKIPEDIA |
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The job responsibilites of the VP do not include "fixing the Republican party." He needs to work for the RNC to do that. But I'm not sure a flip-flopper would be well qualified to do that. Flip flopping is what's gotten the party into its present mess. |
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Romney???
McCain's not that stupid. The only reason he'd chose Romney is for the money he could bring.
He'd lose more of the evangelical vote (than he's already lost) if Romney was his running mate. That loss would never be counterbalanced by gains in independent voters.
And as a pre-emptive comment...
For all the bigoted Rombots, no...Romney wouldn't be a handicap because of his religion. He'd be a handicap because up until a couple of years ago he was a liberal on social issues. Cultural conservatives won't sign off on a flip-flopper without sincere convictions.
For clarification...
Romney brings nothing to the table in terms of being the "economic go-to guy." Being a business consultant is VERY different skill set than being an economist. He wouldn't have any influence on either the economy or the proper working of government. You've bought off on an empty talking point.
Get real...
"Just let Romney be Romney"!!! Romney is a stiff who failed to connect with voters. Nothing is going to change that. |
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In my opinion the choice now is between a liberal and an ultra-liberal. Romney helps McCain mitigate his liberal nature by bringing conservative ideals. Romney would be in position to be future party leader and can use his magic to turn around the republican train wreck that is congress right now. Its what Romney does best, fixing what's wrong. McCain will need someone to help him turn things around for the better. Its what Romney does best!
Poor Obama, though. Whoever he picks will be viewed as more qualified than he. Everyone will wish the ticket could be reversed. Come to think of it--Romney/McCain sounds better. |
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John McCain has been looking for the perfect guy to run as his VP. The DNC will not answer the phone and there is no one left in Mexico to run in the 08 election cycle with him.
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We need Romney. Even if McCain doesn't win this time around, this will put Romney as the next in line for the nomination in 2012. |
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...Romney. He polls better than any other VP candidate according to SurveyUSA. |
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With McCain as the GOP nominee, I've already lost this election. A third party win is unlikely, but I hope they draw at least 10-15%. There is no good outcome in this election for those interested in preserving our sovereignty and rule of law. Two liberals R and D, both committed to amnesty.
No, thanks, I'll be voting third party. |
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I like Mitt if Team McCain portrays him as the economic go to guy. Essentially let Mac by Mac and let Mitt be Mitt. Cantor and Portman may be okay, but they will have to sell themselves (because most of the country has no idea who they are).
Virginia Patriot, stop wishing for bad things. Do I need to send you a copy of The Secret? Don't worry, Barak Obama and his first lady of conformance to the new order, Oprah Winfrey, will send you a copy (then tax you 3xs its cost) and demand you read it. |
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He's my congressman and a pretty good one, I'd like to keep him. I don't want him anywhere near the GOP Titanic. It's going down in November. |
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that obama might consider a war dude. Isent he against war in any shape or form? I think he'd be better with an oil guy, who knows where to drill, how to drill and where and how to refine it.
The peolosi premium is now about 75 percent from when Obama took office 2 years ago. Keep going. I'll be broke and unemployed before Nov, and maybe the savior Obama can save us all. |
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in his interview with Time about Bhutto's death to the backsliding of Al Queda in Iraq and that would be an admission that the Bush admin did something right. |
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"The country that started this, Iran, is about to turn around, 180 degrees. We ought to be focused on that. The father of extremism, the home of the ayatollah -- the young people are ready to throw out the mullahs and turn around, become a secular society and throw off these ideas of extremism. That is more important and critical. They're the ones that funded Hezbollah and other terrorist organizations. That ought to be a focus."
THAT Zinni???? |
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Eric Holder or Eric Cantor?
Cause Eric Holder dont make a lick of sense, but Eric Cantor isn't that bad of a choice. |
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