Thursday, October 18, 2007
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As Values Voters Meet, Rudy is Big Story
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Posted by:
Matt Lewis at
5:24 PM
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A bunch of us Townhaller's will be checking in on the Values Voter Summit, tomorrow.
The Family Research Council, who is hosting the event, expects more than 2,000 attendees. As of now, all nine (I guess that counts Sam Brownback) GOP presidential candidates, will be speaking at the event.
The obvious big story is: "What will Rudy Giuliani say?" (After all, several conservative leaders threatened to bolt the party if he wins the nomination).
My guess is it will go something like this ...
1. Look, I know you and I don't always agree. But I'm man enough to come here and talk to you. My door will always be open to you, and that should count for something ...
2. I'm the only Republican who can stop Hillary. If you're a conservative, that's a big, big deal.
3. I will appoint "Strict Constructionist" judges. A President can't overturn Roe vs. Wade himself, and let's be honest, the most important thing we can do is appoint good judges.
... At least, that's my bet.
Here's the current schedule of speakers ...
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If you like GWB's approach to illegal aliens, you'll love Rudy's. And you can kiss your country goodbye. |
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You freaks on the right better learn to tolerate Rudy. He's your best bet. |
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That's exactly the kind of enlightened commentary from liberals that convinces me that Rudy is from your tribe. Didn't he run of mayor as a member of the Liberal Party a couple of times? If Hitler sadi he likes the Jews, hey, that's good enough for me! Why would he lie? |
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Rudy was the Liberal Party nominee all three times he ran for mayor. The Liberal Party is an ultra radical party in NY which considers even Democrats to be 'conservative'. I disagree with Virginia Patriot on the key reason to oppose Rudy (I am a supporter of free markets, legal immigration, and free trade) but oppose him I do wholeheartedly. Rudy Giuliani's bottomline is that he's the best shot against Hillary so we conservatives better....Now even that position is untenable because the latest CNN poll shows the McCain does better against Hillary at 44 % than Rudy at 43 %. And frankly how can I trust anyone who has made a habit of betraying his family? Man who can cheat on his family can cheat anyone. |
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the first question Rudy should be asked at this summit is "Have you stopped betraying your wives now?" |
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I also am in favor of LEGAL immigration. I strongly oppose amnesty for illegal aliens and believe if we do not secure our borders we will lose our country.
Rudy gives many reasons to not support him for any type of conservative. Whatever your bright line issue is, be it abortion, gay rights, gun rights, amnesty, etc, Rudy is probably on the other side. Take your pick, but let's nominate somone else. |
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Getting stabbed in the chest by Hillary or stabbed in the back by Rudy. |
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Maybe Romney, but Rudy, McCain and Huckabee are unacceptable to Americans who are oppossed to amnesty for illegal aliens. tic-toc.... We need a GOP leader. |
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Virginia Patriot. Rudy is a lot of things, but conservative he isn't.
Oregon Jim...lol that's a good one! Hmmm..give me a few days, I may come up with one that describes Rudy. |
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Sure we do, Duncan Hunter. check him out
http://www.gohunter08.com |
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But he just might split us up enough to get the nomination. Since we all can't decide on Huckabee, Hunter, Thompson or Romney, Rudy might take all the non-Conservative votes and all the "I'm afraid of Hillary" votes.
He won't be getting my vote though. Not in the primary, not in the general. |
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First, Rudy should promise that at the GOP convention, he and his delegates will leave the GOP platform intact and not try to alter its pro-life language in any way. That neutralizes a major concern they have.
Second, Rudy can point out that his fight as Mayor against porn shops in midtown Manhattan and his drive to make midtown Manhattan a place you could bring young children to visit is also a "family values" issue.
Third, Rudy can make it clear that Israel's fight against Islamist terrorism is identical to our own fight, not something in a separate category. Which should appeal to pro-Israel Christian evangelists. HAMAS and al-Qaeda: Same mentality; same evil; same war. Rudy has already called for Israel to be admitted to NATO.
GO RUDY!!!
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Pro abortion.
Pro gun control.
Pro government paid healthcare.
Pro embyonic stem cell reasearch.
Pro amnesty for illegal aliens.
Need more? There's a lot more.
We don't need another lawyer with the same values as Hillary Clinton. We need a Conservative alternate to Hillary.
Or we need to stay home in November 2008... |
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uhhhh, I beg to differ. Mr. Mayor - you won't even carry your home state. If you could, why didn't you run for Senate against her? You know, at the height of your popularity, when you were known as "America's mayor"? You won't win NY against a carpetbagger and you won't win the general... especially when you've shown you're undeserving of support from values voters and pro-Second Amendment voters.
Southerners don't like you because they think you're a northeastern elitist liberal. Evangelicals won't support you because you're immoral, pro-choice, and pro-gay (I personally have no problem with any of this, but many Republicans do). You're against the Second Amendment despite your disingenuous claims to the contrary. And didn't your own daughter hop on the Obama bandwagon?
Furthermore, how do you intend to win with 70+% of Americans against the Iraq war? Many voters in 2008 have listed the war as their top issue... or maybe you missed the 2006 Congressional results.
Please revert to a career of self-aggrandizing (which you're very good at) without taking the Republican Party down with you. You can't win, you're a liberal, and you only bring shame to the Republican Party. Run as a Democrat (since you reflect their beliefs more) or don't run. A true conservative should get the nomination, not some phony like you.
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that's exactly why I won't vote for Rudy either. I see hardly any difference between Rudy and Hillary. Why even bother voting in that election if he gets the nomination? And you're right - there *is* a lot more.
John Konop - thanks for that video link. Rudy is a Republican but he's really not... he's a liberal like LaGuardia (wasn't LaGuardia a socialist?).
Sorry Rudy - you can't run from your record. You're no conservative. Period. So this conservative and many others will *never* vote for you. No amount of fear-mongering will change that.
Want me to support a Repub over Hillary? Give me a reason. Rudy gives me no reason. He's nothing more than Hillary with an "R" after his name. |
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Are you the soul reason Duncan Hunter won his only straw poll in Texas?
http://www.beyonddelay.org/node/313
Top 22 most corrupt! Stop it already! Please remember it took a completely rigged straw poll for Duncan Hunter to win.
If any registered Republican in Texas were allowed to vote that day and not just Republicans I think we both know who would have landslided that straw poll.
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he wants, we don't believe a word he says. His actions speak much louder. |
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in the primaries.
It is true that Rudy could benefit from a split in conservative ranks in the primaries but he is fighting with Mitt for the RINO vote. By Conservatives not turning out in large enough numbers in 06, we ended up with undeniably, the worst Congressional majority in history. It would be one thing if they were principled buffoons but Marxist, traitorous (as this Turkey debacle proves, buffoons should be enough to get every Republican out this next year to the polls. This should be a lesson for Conservatives going into the next POTUS election cycle.
Normally, this kind of post would end up demanding that Conservatives shut up and vote for Rudy.
Quite the contrary.
May I humbly suggest that this time around, socially liberal republicans need to vote Conservative (fiscal AND social) and vote for Hunter (or Thompson if you need someone a little more moderate) in the primaries. You guys got your RINOs over the last 4 presidential election cycles (GHWB, Dole, GWBx2). This string of left-of-center GOP nominees managed to alienate huge numbers of conservatives so now it is time to go back to our Reagan roots.
Rudy WILL NOT win the general election if he is nominated because conservatives have shouted from the rooftops since GHWB's second term run that they will not vote in large numbers for moderates. If GHWB and Bob Dole can't win, then Rudy sure as heck will not. IOW, a vote for Rudy in the primaries is precisely a vote for the person who will lose us the White House in November. Hunter or Thompson are the best choices in the primary. Either one of them can beat Mrs. Lennin.
Rudy is a guaranteed loser.
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Democratic ticket....Hillary.........NYNY Liberal.
Republican ticket....Guiliani........NYNY Liberal.
Independent ticket...Bloomberg.......NYNY Liberal.
Constituion Party Ticket....?......Conservative.
Is this what our Founding Fathers envisioned? |
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I am so effn' sick of values voters. you guys are just as bad as the liberals you mock on this forum. Whatever happened to real conservatism were we had limited government and a free society. Quit telling people how to live their lives you bible thumping statists. |
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How does that sound boys and girls?
Most of you, Hewitt, Ingraham, the Christian right (all of whom I like and respect BTW) are ripping Rudy, and there's plenty to rip.
Hunter, Brownback and Huckleberry, the 'true-est' conservatives and generally good eggs, are unelectable.
I'm a right of center independent and neither Thompson or Romney does much for me. McCain has given his life's work to the country, but between campaign finance and shamnesty he makes me wonder.
Hilly is prolly going to get the nod, has a huge warchest, and is cackling madly with snake-head Carville while we beat the hell out of each other.
Any one of the candidates with a big R after their name (except alien life form Ron Paul) is better than Hill. We need to nominate and support the one who can beat her. |
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"strict constructionist" (read activist for the right wing) judges for a long, long, long long time. If ever. Because the Democrats are taking over the Senate and the House for the whole of the 21st Century - and probably forever, due to American demographics.
The Rethuglicans could have had Congress, but they blew it when they did, BIG time, by their dismal failures at everything they touched.
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SteveL this: your point about Rudy promising to leave the platform untouched may help him a little. As will his pledge to specifically appoint only judges who are constructionists. But then his pledges are not exactly something to take to the bank. A man who cannot ever keep the most importat public promise an adult makes (that of fidelity to spouse and family, is hardly to be trusted to keep any other promise. |
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I didn't want to vote for Bob Dole or GHW Bush either. That's why I'm supporting Fred Thompson in the primaries. However, if Rudy winds up as the GOP nominee and there is no better alternative actually running, I'll vote for him. That doesn't mean he'll get a dime of my money or a minute of my time calling voters, going door to door or lobbying friends and relatives. |
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If Rudy wins, Rudy will ditch social & religious conservatives. Rudy will stick the big knife in your back. |
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It's so much fun watching the self-proclaimed "Values Voters" be forced to eat their own words!
God is SO great!!!! Justice does indeed belong to the Lord!!!!!
You people are going to have to endorse Mitt, even though you are convinced he is part of a cult, you know he was pro-choice and pro-gay rights as recently as recently as 10 years ago.
Oops! And he says his views of abortion have "evolved," the most dreaded word for the right.
Get ready for the "FLIP FLOP MITT" ads to start flying!!!!!
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/0 2/20/AR2007022001266.html
http://www.massresistance.org/docs/marriage/romney/record/ |
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The flip-flop bit is tired. And just as it was when used against Kerry, it reflects simpletons who'd rather shout down their opponents than listen to and analyze their positions. (Yes- I voted for Bush twice but based on positions not slogans on beach shoes or swift boat ads.)
The simple truth is Mitt pledged not to alter existing laws when he ran for governor and like anyone with integrity, he didn't. The fact that some evangelicals want government officials to legislate and execute their theology rather than work within the confines of the law is absolutely frightening. The law and the gospel are two separate things - the former is good, the latter is great.
As for the pro-choice hooey, that's nonsense also. It is one thing to be vehemently pro-life. It is quite another to be completely convinced that the government should define morality. I'm pro-integrity but I don't want the local sheriff arresting my daughter when she lies about getting her homework done. Thinking people all struggle with drawing the line between individual moral responsibility and government intrusion.
(Hey look Chris, I can cut and paste my comments all over townhall, too ;-)
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do you want the sheriff to be able to arrest your neighbir who was abusing his child? Or is that too moralistic for you? Yes or no? |
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If,Rudy, does not do the right thing and drop out for the sake of the Republican party he will split the GOP and relegate it's remains to just another third party. He's selfish, so he wont dropout. All social liberals are selfish and Rudy is just one of many in the elite neo-con orgy looting the American middle class. "No more social liberals running for president in the GOP!" |
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