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Saturday, April 19, 2008
"MoveOn Didn't Even Want Us To Go Into Afghanistan. I Mean, That's What We're Dealing With."
Posted by: Hugh Hewitt at 6:30 PM
Hillary's attack on the hard left base of her party is very significant:



"We have been less successful in caucuses because it brings out the activist base of the Democratic Party.  MoveOn didn't even want us to go into Afghanistan. I mean, that's what we're dealing with. And you know they turn out in great numbers. And they are very driven by their view of our positions, and it's primarily national security and foreign policy that drives them. I don't agree with them. They know I don't agree with them. So they flood into these caucuses and dominate them and really intimidate people who actually show up to support me."



The coverage of this story thus far is focused on the attempt by Clinton to explain away caucus state losses, but the important aspect --one which will be talked about for days and weeks and months-- is her admission that the actvists of the Democrats are far to the left of American political opinion. 

"MoveOn didn't even want us to go into Afghanistan," she states and she does not even need to explain how far outside of the mainstream that position was and remains.  She might have added a comment or two about "General Betrayus," but the point is she didn't need to.  Her audience knew the truth of her characterization, as does the media and most senior Democrats.

MoveOn and the rest of the hard left Dems support Obama.  If he is elected president, they will come to Washington with him and they will drive the government off the left side of every road.

Hillary's numbers are rising and Obama's falling in the national polls as Democrats begin to recognize that not only is Obama far from a perfect candidate, his views and the views of his supporters are so far outside of the mainstream that his nomination could not only mean a loss in November, but down-ticket chaos as well.



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S/A86 writes: Saturday, April, 19, 2008 7:08 PM
Other than Joe Lieberman
She's the first to say it, and late to the party.

For saying the obvious truth, she deserves no reward from Conservatives, bu dimocrats who are serious about protecting home and hearth should take heed.
S/A86 writes: Saturday, April, 19, 2008 7:12 PM
And why did the MOVEON.ORG
Bats want us to stay out of Afghanistan, to leave the Taliban and Al Qaeda alone? Why were they filing JOHN DOE Habeas petitions within 48 hours of the first nameless Jihaddi arriving at Guantanamo?

BECAUSE THEY LIKE POLITICAL VIOLENCE WAGED AGAINST THE UNITES STATES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Kill them all.

What would Woodrow Wilson, FDR or Abe Lincoln do with the elite, liberal, Al Qaeda 5th Column festering in our body politic?

They would be in Ft. Leavenworth, awaiting a date with so many feet of 1" manila hemp* (don't get excited, PL, it aint the kind you smoke.)

artist writes: Saturday, April, 19, 2008 7:16 PM
Who has endorsed OBAMA?
HAMAS
New Black Panthers
MOVEON
Code Pink
Farrakhan
Joe writes: Saturday, April, 19, 2008 7:26 PM
They fear those nut jobs
The Dems should be kicking GOP butt (and frankly rightly so). The GOP has been spending money and not acting like conservatives.

But for every mistake the GOP makes (and they have made some bad ones) the Democrats make two or three. It is sad, because the country is better off with two serious opposition parties. Conservatives are forced to be better when there is real competition.

Hillary has nothing to lose, which is why she is saying it now. She is craven and desperate. The fact is Democrats fear the far left of their party. The GOP has its far right fringe too, and they can be equally myopic and inflexible--but at least they love this country.
Joe writes: Saturday, April, 19, 2008 7:29 PM
Don't forget Sam Nunn
I liked Senator Nunn. I thought he was a good man. A little too liberal overall, but at least he got it on military matters. His endorsement is to signal it is okay to support Barak Obama.

But where have all the Sam Nunns gone from the Democratic Party? Why is defense a GOP issue only?
Attila the Hunish writes: Saturday, April, 19, 2008 7:37 PM
Amusing but is it relevant?
Indeed, the soon arriving PA primary should put to rest some of our assumptions regarding the Dhimmicrats! Personally, the longer this Dhimmicrat agony drags on, the more we shall all enjoy it. So, let USOC continue and multiple like a plague germ.
S/A86 writes: Saturday, April, 19, 2008 7:56 PM
Attila is largely correct:
dimocrat feud is good for the GOP, and good for the country.

What the looney left was hoping to do (with Albert Gore as President it was a genuine possiblity) was invite Osama Bin Laden to the Hague, for an "International Trial."

I probably don't have to remind anyone that the International Criminal Court is a 3 ring circus that took seven years and never reached anything approaching a conviction for someone as notorious as Slobodon Milosevic.

The MoveOn Left would have Ramsey Clark defend Bin Laden, and they would use an OJ Defense: Place the US on trial. We would hear about everything from Wounded Knee, to My Lai to Chavez freakin' Ravine, all the while Al Qaeda would be seizing control of every single oil producing state in the Arabian Penninsula, the Phillipines and Mediterranean France/Spain.

As of today, we would be in our 4th round of surrender negotiations to Al Qaeda, with the tofu nibbling, Espirantu Speaking elite genuflecting before their Mohammedan betters.
clarityseeker writes: Saturday, April, 19, 2008 8:00 PM
Funny....
Just last week, the nutjob, bRob, was blustering and cheerleading that his party of Dems has always taken the protest role, also castigating republicans for not having any chutzpah for this protest activity.
Protests within the Dem party include, but are not limited to,
1.) blocking military recruiting offices in Berzerkely (this year).
2.) bombing similar recruiting office in Manhattan (this year).
3.) Ted Kaczinsky sending "letter-bombs" to various recipients (for many years).
4.) protesting the "eco-friendly" windmills off Martha's Vineyard.
5.) protesting nuclear driven power plants as used throughout the country of socialistic-France (75% of their power is derived from nuclear reactors)
6.) protesting ANWR and other strategies in developing petroleum self-reliance.
7.) protesting the lumber industry over the, Spotted Owl, that bird which was actually being eradicated, not by lumberjacks, but by another OWL which was encroaching upon its territory. These protestors destroyed the lumber industry in the northwest. Several suicides resulted in this. Canada---our neighbor to the north benefitted by this feckless, short-sighted, wrong-headed protesting.
Too many other examples to list here---of radical activism and form of protesting which has overtaken the Democrat Party.


By no means do I detest protesting, have engaged in some myself. Radicals within Donkey party have redefined activism, ratcheted it up, caused many deaths (Al Sharpton's Tawana Brawley fiasco) as a result.
S/A86 writes: Saturday, April, 19, 2008 8:10 PM
remember, please, hillary, that
THEY are the ones THEY have been waiting for.
ScarletPimpernel writes: Saturday, April, 19, 2008 8:11 PM
cons are busy
working. No time for protests, at least not the kind where you smell funny and carry misspelled signs.
Radian writes: Saturday, April, 19, 2008 8:37 PM
McCain
McCain supports 4 more years of nation building in Afghanistan and waiting tax payer money there.

Half of McCain's staff used to work for George Soros....that's WHAT WE'RE DEALING WITH HERE!
jainphx writes: Saturday, April, 19, 2008 8:53 PM
Obama- Hillery
Yeah Obama's numbers are falling, unfortunately all we have is McCain.
lula may writes: Saturday, April, 19, 2008 10:28 PM
Truth
Hillary is telling the truth. It sure took her long enough to figure out no matter how fair she tried to be. This group of left wing wack jobs are out to destroy her for her vote on the war. Dennis Miller has it right. Middle road democrats are scared to death of these loons. If you don't fall in line with all their marching orders they will personally destroy you. Look what they tried to do to Lieberman.
Hillary has nothing to lose at this point. The super delegates will probably receive death threats if they don't drink the Obama kool-aid.
I support John McCain but I think you bloggers are beginning to see what a dangerous radical Obama would be for this country.
I'm confident McCain would kick Obama's butt in the general election. But 7 months is an eternity in politics and anything could happen out of McCains control. The security of this country would not survive an Obama presidency.
The press and the pollsters have done everything possible to stack this primary in Obama's favor. In the next few days I think we will begin to see the real numbers in Pa. Only because the pollsters reputation is on the line here. So they will be changing their numbers to reflect the big Clinton win.
stalkinghorse writes: Sunday, April, 20, 2008 12:43 AM
She clerked for a commie
Don't believer it. She is hard left in sheeps clothing.
Steve-o writes: Sunday, April, 20, 2008 1:43 AM
Same old liberal problem...
It's hard to get elected when your true beliefs are out of step with the majority of the country. If the mask slips, as Obama's has lately, you sink, even among Democrats. If you hide your true beliefs, people become suspicious eventually. It's a long campaign, and most voters can gain good sense of a person's character over time. Obama can't help it, Clinton can't hide it. They are both in trouble. Obama is in the worst position now.

He looks weaker than a certain woman.
Radian writes: Sunday, April, 20, 2008 1:44 AM
NO TO MCCAIN
Obama or Hillary can not SCARE us into voting McCain.

I refuse to vote for a far left freak show like McCain regardless of consequences. Well McCain will do far more damage to the party and the country than a Democrat ever could.
JonMoseley writes: Sunday, April, 20, 2008 2:01 AM
Christine O'Donnell can help - US Senate

The race for President does not offer much for conservatives to get excited about this year. Fortunately, we do have someone in Delaware who might make 2008 a fun election anyway.

But maybe there is some good news in the 2008 election!

Strong conservative Christine O'Donnell is going to challenge Joe Biden for the U.S. Senate in Delaware. She ran in 2006 against Delaware Senator Carper, jumping at the last minute, but becoming well known.

Christine O'Donnell has been endorsed by former Governor Pete DuPont.

She has the ability to command national media as much or better than Joe Biden. Biden has been in the Senate since bell bottoms and the hustle were big, and seems more interested in the rest of the country than Delaware. We have a game plan for winning.

Will you help put a strong, pro-busines conservative in the U.S. Senate from Delaware? At worst, Christine will keep Biden from running around the country raising money for liberals in races nationwide.

Please take a look at:

http://www.TheBidenQuiz.xom

and learn more about Christine O'Donnell at --

http://www.ChristineODonnell08.com

Gord Tulk writes: Sunday, April, 20, 2008 6:15 AM
Radian:
"Half of McCain's staff used to work for George Soros....that's WHAT WE'RE DEALING WITH HERE!"

Any proof whatsoever that that's true? I am sure many of those reading this would like to see it.

...

HRC is correct in her criticism of caucuses. The same holds true for the repubs.

Huckleby is the right's equivalent of BO.

Unfortunately, she is voicing this legitimate critique far too late in the game. Her husband has been talking for some time about the weakness of the Dems system of proportional representation versus the GOP's WTA but he only started doing that after HRC began to lose to BO. In both cases it hurts HRC almost as much as it helps her as it makes her look whiny, desparate, and insincere (why didn't she bring it up years ago?) etc.

It would be great if more people who have a significant public profile would also begin speaking out about arguably the greatest flaw in the primary system - starting with the same two states - Iowa and NH every time. A lottery system that would select the first 2 or 3 starters from say the ten or 15 least populated states would be an example of a possible alternative.
Radian writes: Sunday, April, 20, 2008 6:42 AM
McCain-Soros 08'....here u go?
You didn't know that most of McCain's staff especially the top guys all work for Soros? This is old news

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=56177

You should also see the original Captain's Quarters breaking the Story. Davis who is McCain's campaign manager was president of the RI for a long time. For comparison, Arianna Huffington is a founding member of the RI along with much of mccain's staff.
Gord Tulk writes: Sunday, April, 20, 2008 7:30 AM
Radian:
They did not "work for soros" they worked for the reform institute which recieved donations from the soros' open society institute along with "several other prominent non-profit organizations".

Did/does the RI have some objectionable donors? Absolutely. But then so does GWB, MR and Ron Paul. Welcome to politics Radian...
PokerGuy writes: Sunday, April, 20, 2008 9:47 AM
So, Hugh
Isn't it about time someone (hint) did a bit of insightful analysis (and a series of articles) on the Dem super-delegates and how these Party dynamics are likely to play out in the candidate selection process and subsequent national election? Just saying.
lula may writes: Sunday, April, 20, 2008 9:55 AM
Spin
You gotta wonder how the press will spin this. I was having this argument with my husband the other day. The press were saying all these negative revelations about Obama were not doing him any harm. The national polls are always a week or two behind the story. What's so disgusting is I'm not all that smart but, I knew that. Point is so does the pollsters and media. They've got to be getting dizzy and sick from all the spinning and covering up they have to do for Obama.

Joe writes: Sunday, April, 20, 2008 10:32 AM
Such BS
Really, this nonsense that McCain is funded by Soros is just tripe. McCain's views (especially on military power) are completely opposite those of Soros. Really, if you think McCain is not conservative enough, fair enough, but don't peddle lies like this.
jms writes: Sunday, April, 20, 2008 10:39 AM
caucuses and peer pressure
I think that the simplest reason why Obama wins caucuses is that caucuses involve peer pressure.

There is a hierarchy of guilt and shame among liberals, and it is more shameful to be thought of as racist than to be thought of as sexist.

Therefore, the disapproving glares of the Obama
supporters carry more weight than the disapproving glares of the Clinton supporters, and the Clinton supporters are the ones that cross over to show that they are not racist.



clarityseeker writes: Sunday, April, 20, 2008 10:59 AM
jms
I'm going to ponder that...
Patriotic Liberal writes: Sunday, April, 20, 2008 11:12 AM
You guys may get your panties in a bunch
..about Moveon.org, but the broader public sees them as the leftist equivalent to the Family Research Council or something like that. It may not seem right, but that's because you guys generally are in the reactionary zone.

The issue this election is not Barack's "extreme" liberalism, but the failure of Republican government--which is a failure of the worldview of contemporary conservatism. THAT's what we'll be discussing this Autumn. In fact, the guy you nominated is himself trying to achieve some separation from that trainwreck--which he won't be able to do, by the way, without looking like an unprincipled "say anything" kind of guy..
KGK writes: Sunday, April, 20, 2008 11:27 AM
Both too far Left
Now that the MSM realizes that being in the tank might not work with Hussein, perhaps they might just investigate all of Hil's lefty associates and groupings that support her too. Both of these incompetents are socialist pacifists in funding, theory, agendas and future programs. That the MSM is just DOHing it now, shows what a bunch of lazy elitists they are too. That Reagan Dems would have to deal with this, might just bring more Pubs into Congress than I think. For example, though Biden will defeat Christine in Del., Del, is not , not a conservative state but a Rockefeller type Republican or Biden type liberal state, there may be other states where down ticket races could defeat the liberal candidate. To give up on Nov. already is silly for the GOP in spite of having ole John at the top of the ticket. He is still better than the two socialist empty suits and Congressional races are more or just as important races as the one on top!
clarityseeker writes: Sunday, April, 20, 2008 12:10 PM
It remains clear....
the LIAR, Pathetic Liberal ("PATRIOTIC LIBERAL") is back.

And all of his blathering on about "low character" (other choice adjectives), on the right is diluted, meaningless, while considering that he made allegations of me that I called him on. He posted sevaeral ties, subsequent to my calling him for what he is----and, NO RESPONSE.

Talk about, "low character".

Speak of, "unprincipled".

...and that is not "reactionary", but simple TRUTH.
A L-I-A-R who has no willingness to recant the slander he generated. It is quite telling, indeed, for those who do not know him.
However, for those of us who have been on the receiving end of his ad hominem attacks, conservative railings ad nauseum, it's not a surprise at all.

It renders anyting else he has to say as supremely, irrelevant.
lula may writes: Sunday, April, 20, 2008 12:19 PM
Obama's loss
It's being reported on a conference call yesterday with Obama people that they concede he will lose Pa. The strategy now is to keep her under 10 points.
Obama has spent 9 million dollars in Pa. and this is the best they hope for.
McCains has to be the luckiest guy in the world.
Gord Tulk 1 writes: Sunday, April, 20, 2008 12:45 PM
If HRC wins by 10+ in PA
the MSM will begin - finally - the discussion as to whether BO is electable.

He's outspending HRC by what? 10X? He's in position that mathematically makes it all but impossible for her to win more delegates than him and STILL he cannot put her away. In fact, if he loses by 10+ he's losing ground to her.

Add-in that he does poorly against JM in the key states and in the big urban states compared to HRC and he looks completely unelectable on Nov. So why carry-on with the lemming-like support that ends in a lemming-like fashion - dead at the bottom of a political cliff just like in '72?

True, the GOP is broken in many ways but a Newt wrote in his latest book they can fix what's wrong a lot easier than the Dems can what with the identity-politics fractures that it has.
Patriotic Liberal writes: Sunday, April, 20, 2008 1:03 PM
Hm..
..it looks like the shunning tactic is no longer operative. 'Shrieker is back to assailing me head-on.

Buddy, our discussion of this is on the Obama-Ayers thread. Why don't you take your skewed little perception of things over there? Everyone knows that you think I am dishonorable. And some people know it is because you haven't figured me out. And btw, just because you throw the word "liar" in caps does not make it so.

clarityseeker writes: Sunday, April, 20, 2008 1:26 PM
Pathetic Liberal
yeah.....love that narrative of yours on "unprincipled", Lawyer, Hugh Hewitt. I've properly dispensed with you there as well.
A true second-rater, you are.
A confabulating lout.
NoDonkey writes: Sunday, April, 20, 2008 2:03 PM
Obama will get trounced in PA
Voters will show up in droves to vote against him and to avoid his far-left freakshow of a government.

An Obama Presidency would mean widespread corruption, weakness before our enemies along with far-left, social engineering schemes.

It would be like putting Marion Barry into the White House, for all intents and purposes.

No to Obama and no to his absolutely worthless Democrat Party.
fbear writes: Sunday, April, 20, 2008 3:00 PM
Afghanistan...
didn't attack the U.S.

They harbored Osama bin Laden, as Pakistan does currently.

Should we invade Pakistan and overthrow their government?
NeoConScum writes: Sunday, April, 20, 2008 3:31 PM
foobear...Nor Dis Hitler Attack Us...
Ba-Da-Bing, like Dat.
Patriotic Liberal writes: Sunday, April, 20, 2008 3:56 PM
CS
One of these days, you're going to be able to do something besides throw my own words back at me. I swear, half your vocabulary you picked up from me. "Lout." "Second-rater." Confabulater is yours--and you can have it.

But I'm glad you're back to talking to me.
cottoneyed writes: Sunday, April, 20, 2008 4:46 PM
OPERATION CHAOS,
onward to the miscreant convention, this week, old Tom Spagnola, mild mannered leader of RECREATE 68', threatened the city of Denver with violence, if they do not issue a permit for his crew to misbehave, we go to church with a Lt. in the Denver Police Dept., and he has said that they expect trouble and believe that it has the potential to erupt into large scale anarchy, many plan to leave the city that week, expecting the worst, with the hard, hard left, now what seems to be, in almost total control, anarchy looks like a sure thing at the miscreant convention, the implosion of the democrat party, good riddance to scum.
Patriotic Liberal writes: Sunday, April, 20, 2008 4:51 PM
Cotton
It will all be done by Denver. The only miscreants will be freaks like you, looking to beat up kindly old ladies who will attend the convention.
S/A86 writes: Sunday, April, 20, 2008 5:28 PM
FooBear: Haiti didn't attack us
But we invaded Haiti and installed a disctator friendly to Bill Clinton.

The government of Aghanistan, the Taliban ratified the acts of Al Qaeda, gave aid, arms, succor and intelligence to Al Qaeda and acted in concert with Al Qaeda.

No, Pakistan has aided us in the GWOT as best they are able. We should continue moving them toward passing the tapeworm currently infecting their country and culture.

We should invade and liquidate the bungholes of Columbia...but also Harvard, Princeton, Yale, CAL and Mills.

TPIP writes: Sunday, April, 20, 2008 6:46 PM
wrong
MoveOn isn't "far left", give me a break. And their positions aren't that far from the mainstream, they are just a year or two ahead of the curve. Take Iraq for instance, they were against it before we even invaded, and after we invaded they wanted our troops to come home. It took the majority of Americans a few more years of bloodshed and chaos and skyrocketing anti-American sentiment to figure that out, and now the mainstream is to where MoveOn has been for quite some time. That isn't radical, that is just smart.

And as for Afghanistan, Hillary was simply repeating a lie from Karl Rove from a few years ago. MoveOn NEVER opposed invading Iraq, they simple circulated a petition reflecting the concerns of many Americans which simply urged moderation and restraint in responding to the terrorist attacks, because many thought that Bush might run off with the military and do something crazy, and look what happened, MoveOn was right to worry, because not only did Bush fail to get Bin Laden or hurt al-Qaeda, he made a huge mess out of the entire Middle East and killed our reputation around the world. So no, MoveOn didn't say we should invade, they just wanted a little more thought put into it, and they didn't want us to attack some country (like Iraq) that had nothing to do with the terrorist attacks.

Anyway, if anyone wants to read my full analysis of what is going on with Hillary's comments they can read them here:

http://www.thepersonalispolitical.com/2008/04/hillarys-true -nature-in-which-we-find.html
cottoneyed writes: Sunday, April, 20, 2008 7:38 PM
Oh, O.K.
moveon is simply misunderstood, thats rich, just rich, what a fool.....yeah, killed our reputation, our reputation with lefty's, who in the H.......E......L......L.....cares about that.....seems as though, Sarkosy, Merkel, and Berlusconi like us just fine, thats because their not loony lefty fascists, take your "full analysis" and then take a couple a quarters out of your pocket and call someone who might care what the heck it is......may our reputation, ALWAYS, be bad in the eyes of the worlds left.....ALWAYS.......
arngret writes: Sunday, April, 20, 2008 7:55 PM
Move On and any other libral base
are the true enemies from with in the U.S. They all want us to take the cowards way out. I have more trust in faith from someone in the military serving in Afganistan or Iraq about national security than anyone of these organizations or most of the demogratic party..
TPIP writes: Sunday, April, 20, 2008 8:11 PM
cowards way out
Is that what they are calling not invading a country that was absolutely no threat to us, thus killing our reputation, fueling terrorist recruitment, boosting Iran's position in the Middle East and taking the focus off finding the actual terrorists? Is that what you mean by "the cowards way out"? That's interesting...
TPIP writes: Sunday, April, 20, 2008 8:12 PM
cowards way out?
Is that what they are calling not invading a country that was absolutely no threat to us, thus killing our reputation, fueling terrorist recruitment, boosting Iran's position in the Middle East and taking the focus off finding the actual terrorists? Is that what you mean by "the cowards way out"? That's interesting...
arngret writes: Sunday, April, 20, 2008 8:21 PM
Patriotic Liberal
I bet you were one during the first Gulf war probably saying we should have gone into Iraq and got Saddam out of power, and now that we have done it we shouljust pack it up a let the Iraqis fend for themselves. You say it just fueled terrorists recuritment but why is the surge working now? Iraq's are now turning against the insurgents, and Al Sadr is wanting to disband his malitia?? i HAVE BEEN THERE AND SERVED THERE so I believe that i have better first hand knowlege of what is really happing there than from someone who probably based he's or hers idea from the Libral left or the mainstream media whose adjenda is only telling you what they think you should only hear!!!!.
arngret writes: Sunday, April, 20, 2008 8:25 PM
Why is
France, Germany and Italy more pro-U.S. Now? Probably that thay have found out that the libral way of government does not work and that a more conservative way will be better for their countries.
TPIP writes: Sunday, April, 20, 2008 8:37 PM
arngret
Well first, the surge isn't working. The Iraqis aren't any closer to achieving the actual goals of the surge, which was political reconciliation. Yes, there was a dip in violence, but that came more from the unilateral ceasefire called by al-Sadr (which contrary to what you seem to think, is now falling apart - he is in no way wanting to disband) and the successful ethnic cleansing of Baghdad and the rest of Iraq. If you had even the slightest clue of what has been going on within Iraq you'd know there are over 4 million refugees from the violence and ethnic cleansing, and so areas which used to be mixed are now homogeneous, thus there is less need for violence because all the people they don't like are already dead or gone. Is that success? It wasn't the surge that was successful, it was the ethnic cleansing that happened on our watch. And what do you think will happen when those 4+ million people want to return to their houses only to find the rival sect is not living in their house? Give me a break...success my [buttocks]. Iraq is a disaster, and the Republicans own all the responsibility for it.

And I have yet to see any evidence of any country turning more pro-US, and if they did I can guarantee it would be because of the Republicans losing power and their excitement about the end of the Bush administration.
Patriotic Liberal writes: Sunday, April, 20, 2008 9:35 PM
arnget
I'll take that bet. I absolutely understood Bush and Powell's logic in not advancing on Baghdad. And again, I completely honor your courage and willingness to put your life on the line for our country. Still, I will continue to exercise my free speech rights that you and many others have fought--under good leadership and bad--to secure.
S/A86 writes: Sunday, April, 20, 2008 10:05 PM
TPIMP is a MF Liar
Moveon DID oppose the Afgahnistan invasion.

TPIMP lies long and lies hard.

MOVEON & ANSWER filled the streets of SF,NY and DC, demanding proof that Bin Laden, Al Qaeda had done the 9/11 attack.

TPIMP is another one of those twink-a-zoid freak job liberals who bones up on Ted Rall and Atlantic Monthly...knows nothing, learns nothing and forgets nothing.
S/A86 writes: Sunday, April, 20, 2008 10:11 PM
Some pictures of TPIMP's
MOVEON butt buddies taken in the protests BEFORE Iraq.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DsOjD_C1vSk

I'd rather have a sister in w whorehouse than a brother in the dimocrat party.
Patriotic Liberal writes: Sunday, April, 20, 2008 10:17 PM
Max
You're not supposed to get angry. You're supposed to walk into walls and say things like "sorry, Chief." Jeez, take a pill. I'd hate for my niece to be your brother, that's for sure.
arngret writes: Monday, April, 21, 2008 2:59 AM
Moveon.org TRUE FRIENDS OF TERRORISTS!!
They sure are siding with the jihadist enemy, like hamas, al quaida,and any other groups against the U.S. It will probably take another 911 (HEAVEN FORBID) for people to wake up and see what they really stand for. Defeatism of The U.S.!!!!!
Sarah writes: Monday, April, 21, 2008 3:07 AM
arngret , hamas has endorsed Obama
so that is who thinks the democrats leading candidate should be the next president. Is that enough reason to vote McCain?
Sarah writes: Monday, April, 21, 2008 3:08 AM
Patriotic Liberal, nieces as brothers?
now that is progressive, forget liberal.
arngret writes: Monday, April, 21, 2008 3:11 AM
TPIP
I DON'T KNOW WHERE YOU ARE GETTING YOUR FACTS FROM?? (MOVEON.ORG) THE BIASED INSTREAM LIBERIAL MEDIA, CODE PINK, OR LIBERAL BLOGGERS, ETC.?? you are in denial on what is truley going on over there cuase you are the who is truley cluless. I've been to Bagdad, mosul, An Nasasria, Basara, and a few other places there. So unless you have been there 24/7 365 DAYS IN A YEAR YOU REALLY DON'T HAVE MUCH OF A ARGUMENT TO GO ON. I support the Troops especially for them to carry out and fulfill their misson. You can ask up to 90% of the troops that are over there that is what they want to do, finish their mission honorablely!!!
arngret writes: Monday, April, 21, 2008 3:30 AM
Sarah
Anyone of the enemies who endorses a candidate, must knoew something that we must not. you can vote for whoever, But nest to Al Queda, Hamas was resposible for killing around 260 Marines in 1983 in Bearuit.
arngret writes: Monday, April, 21, 2008 3:32 AM
Petraeus/Crocker Testimony
What do they have
to say now ?
Last September, General DAVID Petraeus came before Congress as the
architect of a new “surge” strategy designed to suppress violence in Iraq. Since that
report, independent and military reports both show that the surge is succeeding.
In 2007, Iraqi Security Forces grew by 106,000, and some 77,000 Iraqis
volunteered to help secure their own neighborhoods. Since June 2007, total civilian
and Coalition casualties have dropped by more than 70 percent, and deaths from
sectarian violence are down 90 percent.
Most importantly, the surge has provided the breathing room necessary for
the difficult process of political reconciliation to move forward. Since June 2007,
the Council of Representatives has passed key legislation, and in a recent poll, 55
percent of Iraqis responded that “their lives are good.” Additionally, 80 percent of
Iraqis said the U.S. should continue to fight Al Qaeda and foreign jihadists in Iraq.
General Petraeus’ leadership and the sacrifices of thousands of American
fighting men and women are bringing peace to a nation, hope to millions and victory
to America.
Don’t just take our word for it...
The Surge “has succeeded in dramatically reducing violence.”
—Washington Post, February 13, 2008
“It has taken nine bloody and difficult months, but the
deployment of 30,000 additional U.S. troops appears at last to
have brought not just a lull in the sectarian fighting in Iraq, but
the first tangible steps toward genuine political reconciliation.”
—Los Angeles Times, February 18, 2008
Will the enemies of victory continue to ‘willfully suspend disbelief’ about the
progress in Iraq?
It’s time for MoveOn.org and their extremist allies to accept the truth
and admit they were wrong. Our Military and the Americans who support
them deserve nothing less.

http://www.vetsforfreedom.org/
Patriotic Liberal writes: Monday, April, 21, 2008 8:25 AM
Sarah and Arngret
I'm not going to let Hamas, or any other foreign group, tell me who I should, or shouldn't, vote for. Their view is irrelevant to me. Remember how Osama jacked around the American public in Nov 2004, when he basically got the guy he wanted (Bush) by warning Americans not to vote for him.
NeoConScum writes: Monday, April, 21, 2008 11:35 AM
Sarah & Arngret...See, The Logic There I
Osama deeply and profoundly feared the manly John Kerry, just as he lives in daily DREAD of the Metro Obamster's threats and promises to Retreat from Iraq in Ignominious Defeat. See, Osama & Zahahiri REEAAAAALLLLYYYY don't want that. They want a Tough Guy who promises to continue the Evil Boooosh's policy of killing al Qaeda and keeping Osama and Ayman in those Dialysis equipped caves in the Hindu Kush.


I have some really neat-o Swampland here in Florida for ya...!
Chi-town Rebel writes: Monday, April, 21, 2008 12:00 PM
Predictions
I'm making my predictions for Pa. Todays Suffolk poll has Hillary up be 10. Because Obama always polls high. I'll give Hillary another 3. Hillary by 13.
cottoneyed writes: Monday, April, 21, 2008 12:01 PM
BRAVO, arngret, BRAVO,
good show, these facts that Petraeus and Crocker delineated are irrefutable, the gigs up lefties, the truth is out, the surge has worked, the US Military are the victors, and they continue to be the greatest purveyors of peace the world has EVER seen, and i and Millions of other real Americans say, BRAVO, BRAVO, please accept all the love and thankfulness a grateful nation can muster, again BRAVO, arngret, for your service and post, BRAVO!!!
NEVER again will the lies of the left carry the day, NEVER..........GOD BLESS THE US MILITARY........
K.G. writes: Monday, April, 21, 2008 1:41 PM
Arngret
I just attended a fundraiser dinner with Gen. Tommy Franks as speaker. When asked how the public can actually know what's going on in Iraq, he recommended we talk to servicemen and women who have actually been there.

Appreciate your your service and perspective, sir.
An Instinctive Gesture of Reciprocal Liking writes: Monday, April, 21, 2008 2:04 PM
KG
I agree.

Likewise, when trying to determine the health of a large company, such as Wal-Mart, you should just ask a low-level employee, such as a cashier.
K.G. writes: Monday, April, 21, 2008 2:39 PM
You Who
Yes, but............

Tommy Franks is not a low level cashier at Walmart. And, in fact, the Walmart employee might have a better clue than people running around in the parking lot saying whatever pops into their head to suit their agenda.
arngret writes: Monday, April, 21, 2008 3:19 PM
KG, cottoneyed, NeoConScum
you are welome, and thank you for your support!!

If you have sometime you might want to look at the vets for freedom websight, it contains information of veterans who have been to Iraq and Afganistan who support the mission.

http://www.vetsforfreedom.org/
arngret writes: Monday, April, 21, 2008 7:29 PM
Patriotic Liberal, NeoConScum
I am not going to tell you who to vote for I just hope you use wisdom who will be best for this country.
arngret writes: Monday, April, 21, 2008 7:32 PM
Patriotic Liberal, NeoConScum
But on certain issues like Iraq & Afganistan, if you post a blog that is totally incorrect I'll call you on it, from first hand experience and knowledge.
NeoConScum writes: Monday, April, 21, 2008 7:44 PM
Arngret...Got'cha...And, Thank You For
your Service. Yes, I check that site with some regularity. Thanks for the reminder. I'm afraid I'm still snickering from The Bloviator's(PL) alledged belief that Bin Laden is praying sincerely for John McCain to win in November, so that America will keep on the Offense and killing al Qaeda and its offshoots.

...Swampland available here in sunny Florida...
Patriotic Liberal writes: Monday, April, 21, 2008 10:43 PM
You can snicker until the cows..
..come home, baby Stewie, and you can even throw some flourishes in to make the argument seem ridiculous, but your incapacity (or unwillingness) to see the point pretty much shows the narrow thinking that led to this mess.

The Arab on the street may have wanted Kerry as opposed to Bush, or Barack as opposed to Shorty McGramps. But terrorist leaders like Osama are a different story entirely. You think Osama cares how much violence is inflicted upon Arab populations? He and his followers have swallowed their fear of death. So if absorbing violence can open up fields of terrorist operations or produce more recruits or tap out America's resources, then he'll absorb the violence.

Your stupid conceit that OBL is quaking in his boots at the thought of GW, as opposed to someone like Kerry, is of a piece with your silly vainglory. You like to think our terrorist enemies are more afraid of a guy like you than a guy like me. You're wrong. The neutral Muzzie, in whose heart this battle is being fought, is more afraid of you than of me. But his prospective terrorist leader? THAT guy wants you and yours to stay in power. And he'll jack with the American public to achieve that goal. Worked in 2004.
NeoConScum writes: Tuesday, April, 22, 2008 10:16 AM
Arngret...When You've Stopped Guffawing
over the 10:43pm post here by The Bloviator, lemme know what'cha think, Lad. Even by the scale of Left Nutter Lunacy, I've never--before now--seen any of them claim that the laughable Kerry and the 'Declare Retreat & Defeat Obama' had Bin Laden a'scared of'um and Bush & McCain their vast preference.

New one for me. And, One For The Books. Worth a snicker or two, if not an outright HOWWELLLL.

**Blovie Boy has a valid point, though, that Bin Laden & Co. shudder at the mere thought of Blovie making a Mr.Scowly-Face at them!**
arngret writes: Tuesday, April, 22, 2008 10:38 PM
NeoConScum
I am not sure that i want to give Patriotic Liberal a dignified awnser. usuaaly people who aso far left are usually clueless on what world events are taking place, cause of the biased left wing media base telling them what they should hear and think. And thety tell meI am brainwashed for serving in the U.S. military!! At least i was there and know the situation.
NeoConScum writes: Wednesday, April, 23, 2008 10:45 AM
And, Trust Me, It Ain't Worth Your Time,
except for amusement. Blovie Boy likes to come up with "original ideas" and this one's a dooosy. Not even his buds at The Nation and the NYTimes have thrown that swill out there for us!
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