Friday, July 31, 2009
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Public Option: Frank Admits What Obama Will Not
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Meredith Jessup at
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On June 15, Barack Obama told the American people the following regarding his proposed health care plan:
What are not legitimate concerns are those being put forward claiming a public option is somehow a Trojan horse for a single-payer system. … So, when you hear the naysayers claim that I’m trying to bring about government-run health care, know this - they are not telling the truth.
Meanwhile, his allies in Congress are telling a completely different story. Democratic Congressman Barney Frank (Mass.) had the following exchange when questioned by a group named Single Payer Action:
Single Payer Action: "Why shouldn't we start with single payer now?"
Congressman Frank: "Because we don’t have the votes for it. I wish we did. I think that if we get a good public option it could lead to single payer and that is the best way to reach single payer. Saying you’ll do nothing till you get single payer is a sure way never to get it. … I think the best way we’re going to get single payer, the only way, is to have a public option and demonstrate the strength of its power." (video available here)
Hmm. I didn't think I'd ever say this, but I think Barney Frank is right! Either Obama doesn't understand basic economic principle, or he's the one lying to the American people.
As Fox News would say: we report, you decide.
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Geithner left unclear whether Obama would be willing to set aside his campaign pledge not to raise taxes on Americans making less than $250,000 a year.
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It's not a matter of "if" but "when". Another campaign promise broken....anybody surprised? |
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"They're telling the truth. They just don't have anything to compare their coverage to."
Of course they do. They have friends, relatives, their entire lives before they went into the service. You apparently aren't a veteran, yet you know how veterans around you see their health care; why wouldn't veterans see how civilians around them are treated? |
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"When compared to a private health system the VA is inferior. A fact."
According to whom? By what measure?
Several different studies have shown the VA ranking high on customer satisfaction and quality metrics. |
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Uncovered Video: Obama Explains How His Health Care Plan Will ‘Eliminate’ Private Insurance .Breitbart
Obama officials eye more jobless aid, weigh taxes
Geithner left unclear whether Obama would be willing to set aside his campaign pledge not to raise taxes on Americans making less than $250,000 a year. "We can't make these judgments yet about exactly what it's going to take and how we're going to get there," he said.
this from Reuters
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Patients forced to live in agony after NHS refuses to pay for painkilling injections This from the telegraph in the uk Rationing who could of thunk it?
WASHINGTON (AP) -- President Barack Obama's treasury secretary said Sunday he cannot rule out higher taxes to help tame an exploding budget deficit, and his chief economic adviser would not dismiss raising them on middle-class Americans as part of a health care overhaul.
You think?
In rural America, skepticism of health care reform Ap headliner And growing
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They're telling the truth. They just don't have anything to compare their coverage to. If they had an experience with private health insurance and then were polled i guarantee the results would be different.
It's not that complicated. They like their system cuz they've never had anything different.
Think Stockholm syndrome. |
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"If your stuck in a system and don't have a choice what'r ya gonna say."
You think that American Armed Services Veterans would LIE? |
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Munck; "Actual national surveys show that VA clients like their health care."
If your stuck in a system and don't have a choice what'r ya gonna say. When compared to a private health system the VA is inferior. A fact.
You keep your county care, Munck. Mine is a disaster and a place you go if you've got nothing else.
I would never want my care given at county unless of course I was suffering from a gunshot wound.
They have the best trauma ER cuz they're always treating knife wounds and gunshot victims.
Munck; "He hasn't changed one iota on this."
Your right, he has consistently tried to conceal the truth and keep his parties ultimate goal of socialized medicine cloaked in fancy teleprompter speak which works for the gullible.
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mike writes: Sunday, August, 02, 2009 9:13 PM
health care
I had my appendix removed in the 2nd grade. (1963) The whole cost was 330.00. It was before the great society. On the door of each hospital room was the cost of 22.oo per day for the stay. Less than three years later after the great society was invoked the cost was 180.00 per day. I hit a car on my bike. What had changed ws government intervention. I am no economist, but I know the damage the limited government care did to the town, my family, and the country. I spent four years in the U.S. Navy. I broke the same foot three times because the good doctor did not look at the X-ray the first time. 13 months in a cast in the south pacific. I am sure that gov care will be run with all the diligence of the dmv, with all the care of a state road crew, just like our public school systems, or our state colleges.
Mike Prahm
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Mike. The system will be as every other socialized system on earth works. Just like a government agency. People who yearn for that are complete ignorant dimwits. Just look at who is leading the nation in national politics! Fools and idiots. People are waking up to that fact and are second guessing the wisdom of their elected leaders. |
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"BM: Dude, Quit Being So Lazy"
Couldn't come up with anything, huh? Imagine my surprise. |
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"Not to mention the fact that there will be no way to maintain the same level of care without adding more doctors, nurses and hospitals."
Why not? Everybody gets health care now; all they have to do is go to the Emergency Room.
And besides, we can turn back those hordes of Canadians who are pouring over our northern border for our our health care. That should make up any possible difference. |
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Go get copies of BO's speeches and analyze them word for word. If you have half a brain, you'll see for yourself.
Or, if you don't have the gumption, just wait a couple of days for the next speech.
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There is no way we can add 47 million, who have up to this point opted out of health ins coverage, onto the health insurance rolls and not have the cost to all taxpayers skyrocket.
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Not to mention the fact that there will be no way to maintain the same level of care without adding more doctors, nurses and hospitals. |
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I had my appendix removed in the 2nd grade. (1963) The whole cost was 330.00. It was before the great society. On the door of each hospital room was the cost of 22.oo per day for the stay. Less than three years later after the great society was invoked the cost was 180.00 per day. I hit a car on my bike. What had changed ws government intervention. I am no economist, but I know the damage the limited government care did to the town, my family, and the country. I spent four years in the U.S. Navy. I broke the same foot three times because the good doctor did not look at the X-ray the first time. 13 months in a cast in the south pacific. I am sure that gov care will be run with all the diligence of the dmv, with all the care of a state road crew, just like our public school systems, or our state colleges.
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I employ around 30 people and provide a good health insurance plan. We pay 60% of the costs of the premium whether the employee chooses a single person, married plan or a family plan. That is a significant annual cost, but one which I feel an obligation to pay.
I will, if the Messiah allows, maintain that plan if it is more beneficial to my employees, but how many small businesses will just turn it over to the government plan? Will that be a cheaper option for the employer? Will it give better coverage to the employees?
My opinion is that it will only take a year or two for all of the private insurance companies to be unable to compete - they require profitability to stay in business, which any government plan never will (see Amtrak, Postal Service, etc.). The cost will be passed on to the taxpayers and it will eventually turn into the financial disaster we now see with Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security.
There is no way we can add 47 million, who have up to this point opted out of health ins coverage, onto the health insurance rolls and not have the cost to all taxpayers skyrocket.
Do we need sopme health care reform? Absolutely. Do we need Barney Frank and Barry Obama to be in charge of it? Don't think so. |
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The national cartoon, "SHIPWRECK", just gets better and better, doesn't it?? Almost as if The Bamma is standing on the podium in the middle of a stadium holding millions of folks...Only it looks less like a podium and more like a gallows. There's a fresh hemp rope noose around his scrawny, lying neck and Mister Teleprompter is mounted handsomely nearby. The One has a .45 in his hand and the microphone is at the ready. He looks at the multitudes and then at TOTUS and speaks:"Yo...WATCH ME as I fall through the Drop and Shoot my lying self in my Testicular Concavity at the same time, Y'all!...Ready, set...GO..!"
COOL, Y'all. A-Mazin'! Jimmah Cawtah's sorry asssss presidency on steroids and amphetamines. |
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"BHO's speeches are internally contradictory. ... His comments on health care completely contradict what's actually proposed."
Give us some examples.
Note what happened to Stalkinghorse above. He pontificated that "Obama says no public option" and I pointed out that that was 100% wrong. If I hadn't, you all would have nodded your heads wisely and taken that as just another example of Obama changing his position, "verbal twists and turns and tortured logic" as Stalkinghorse put it. Heck, some of you will probably do that anyway, despite the fact that there's no truth to it in the least.
Basically, you lie to each other and then repeat the lies back and forth until you think they have to be true, because you've heard them from so many sources. Weird things, like contending that he's a bad public speaker, or that he isn't an American, or that his wife is unattractive. You actually make these things matters of faith, as important and as unquestionable as the tenets of your religions. Essentially you're building your own little fantasy world. |
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They just say whatever comes out their rear. Whether or not it's true is completely irrelevant. Because it comes out of THEIR mouth, it automatically be wonderful.
BHO's speeches are internally contradictory. He just hopes no one listens to what he says, just how he says it.
His comments on health care completely contradict what's actually proposed. Does he know? Does he care?
Heck no. He says everything everybody wants to hear and "hopes" people cherry pick their faves and ignore the rest.
That got him elected--people believing he was such a smart, fine, mysteriously capable young man who could miraculously click his heals three times and makes voila: Fix everything that's been plaguing mankind since Adam and Eve.
Nevermind he's never held a real job or accomplished anything of note---EVER! And of course, that's his secret.
No record he had to defend. Well, he has one now, and it's completely indefensible.
Is anyone as outraged as I am over Salon's cover, "He's Not Superman." Well, no $hit.
You couldn't figure that out via his non-resume BEFORE you voted for him?
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"We need a spread sheet to keep up with the messiahs verbal twists and turns and tortured logic."
He hasn't changed one iota on this.
"I live in a military community and know dozens of people who are in the VA single payer system. When compared to the private sector it sucks."
You know a few dozen cases. Actual national surveys show that VA clients like their health care.
"Try this munck, go get all your health care at the county hospital, and then get back to me."
Huh? I do, Prince William County Hospital. Great care, no problems, no waiting. It's Aetna I have troubles with. |
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Years ago, after teaching for a bit and dealing with pols of both sides , I realized that when liberals spoke on almost every subject, I had to put up a sign on my TV, where underneath, it read.'They lie.' Whether it was on foreign policy on domestic policy, liberal socialist pacifist Dems lie. They have to cover their identities with 'progressives, moderates,' because liberal would kill them for most Likely voters as new polls show this week. And they never, never apologize for their errors of policy. Never. From Hiss to Obama, never. The motto should be, "Liberals lie, and Americans die.' As with single payer, as with this inane Cap and Trade nonsense and with Obama's love for the Islamofascists. |
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In my haste I may have misstated what obama's said though we know what his intent is.
We need a spread sheet to keep up with the messiahs verbal twists and turns and tortured logic.
Single payor is the end game and the govmint option is the means or the trojan horse if you will. He either lied about it or he's a tool.
I don't want to be in a dysfunctional government plan waiting all day to see a Dr.
I live in a military community and know dozens of people who are in the VA single payer system. When compared to the private sector it sucks.
You can call it health care but it doesn't change the fact that it sucks.
Many of my friends are retired military but also work in the private sector. The military provides something called TriCare for Life. When it comes to a health care provider they choose the private sector 10 times out of 10.
Try this munck, go get all your health care at the county hospital, and then get back to me. Let me know if you want to give up your private health insurance for obama-care.
I want my health care private and my providers rich. |
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...for your new Third Party: The Stick-It-to-THEM-for-a-Change Party.
Heck! WE are THEIR (the pols) bosses. We tell them; they don't tell us. We should not only be telling them what kind of health care WE want, but we should be telling them what kind of health care THEY get from our tax $$.
Put the politicians on the Let's-Throw-Granny-from-the-Gurney Plan.
On the outside chance they actually pass this thing, I have a plan. Dump the 50 employees and their families that our business pays for on the public option, pocket the $150,000 a year that's we've dutifully been paying out of a feeling of moral responsibility, and spend it at some super-duper clinic/hospital of American docs South of the Border.
I live 30 minutes from T.J. It's about time sumptin' good came outta dat besides illegals running through my backyard stealing bicycles--on their way to American freebies. |
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"Obama says no public option"
In fact that's the exact opposite of what Obama says. Where are you getting your information? |
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Every single thing in that health care bill points to socialized medicine. Read the bill! Right off of the top it would be more financially sound for businesses to offload their insurance onto the government. That is what this bill does!
If you guys didn't see this coming then you have no idea how much resources are put into by companies just with the purchasing of health care, let alone the maintenance. |
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Before you wax poetic about illegals paying taxes you best learn the tax code. First of all, sales tax doesn't go into the health care kitty. Next off, even if it did, it doesn't even begin to cover what they cost and use in numerous services, including health care.
Your pie in the sky idealism gets in the way of reality. |
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Obama says no public option and barney lets the cat out of the bag and it runs around the room and scratches everybody.
I'll take my corporate health care masters over your government overlords everyday.
Axe, Kadoom, et al, leave my health care plan the freak alone. How about this. We'll put the uninsured in they're own government pool, and you can join them.
But I ain't hankering to sit down at the 'Ministry Of Prolonged Health Care Service' all day to get an aspirin.
You get yourself in that program and then post your rave reviews right here on TH. Then we'll talk. As long as odufus feels the need to lie about it, something stinks like a rotten fish.
From the head.
Me-I'll be laughing my a** off as you have some government worker deny your coverage with no incentive to perform cuz they're, well...a government worker.
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It's ALL Gooooood for the, ya know, Greater Good.
Under the Socialized Health Ponzi of The Messiah, we can take care of the health needs of tens of millions of ILLEGAL ALIENS. Infrigginsane. Got it?? Comforted?? Me neither.
A SHIPWRECK.
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There is reason for optimism, however. The political cowards of the Demowit Ponzi Party are in the midst of feeling a strange pinching sensation in their anal pores. It's called...DANGER...DANGER...DANGER...from us pisssed off VOTERS. So, let's ALL keep up the pressure on the idiots in the Senate. They are--for the most part--moral cowards on the Demowit side of the aisle. (And, some on the Repub side, as well...Helloooooo, Arlen...Oh, sorry, you're a soon to be whacked Demowit, aren'tcha Arlen Darlin'?)
This multiple Trillions of Dollars Con-Job will, I believe, go down in flames, along with much of The Liar in Chief's sinking reputation. NEXT UP: The Cap & Tax Ponzi...Ya know, for our Greater Good?? We can look forward to driving cool little Radio Fliers...UNLESS the Demowits keep feeling that aforementioned pinching in that aforementioned rearward location. So, let's STICK it to them, Lads & Lassies! |
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"Illegals Health Care and Woes
axeholio
This from the bill, moron!!!!
• Page 50: All non-US citizens, illegal or not, will be provided with free healthcare services.
Free for them, as they pay no taxes...OOOOPPPPS, until amnesty is granted....then MAYBE? But we taxpayers will certainly be paying for them, as we already do.
Hey MEXICO, send your masses and indigents, we need you, you bring so much stability, wealth, and ethnic diversity here...I hope when the rest of us taxpaying citizens are broke, you can find the same compassion we showed you to fund our health care needs and educational system, as most of us do not know Spanish and we will be at a significant disadvantage when you are the populous in control.
Thanks in Advance! An enlightened American"
Me- First, if they are working here, they are paying taxes. They pay sales taxes on anything they buy, their employers are usually withholding for them under the fake social security number they are using.
Second, we are ALREADY paying for their medical needs. Prop 187 was found to be unconstitutional. An illegal alien shows up at a hospital emergency room, he gets treated and no one calls ICE.
In fact, covering illegals will probably save 11 billion a year because they won't be eating up valuable emergency room resources.
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Why shouldn't we all, should we choose, have what you have?
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You can...but you have to work for it and not have US hand it to you. Some of us may want to have what Obama has, should we choose and why shouldn't we all have what the politicians have? or choose to have nothing. I guess your solution continues to be to not have ANY CHOICE! |
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You must have missed the video of Krugman asking Canadians if they liked their health care. It was hysterical. Not one Canadian liked their healthcare. And you and the idiots in Washington want to push this on the American people - - against their will. You don't know better than everyone else. Stop flattering yourself. Stop trying to control everyone's life. You are all little Napoleans. |
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no one is going to change what YOU have. Frankly, the model for us all is the one you seem to like, government run care. So, why are you against all Americans who choose (as you do, since you could buy an independent policy to cover things Medicare and the VA don't cover) what you have? You have government run care? Where in any bill is that taken away from you? Why shouldn't we all, should we choose, have what you have? |
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Regarding your comment that 'a government committee will decide what treatments and benefits you get (and, unlike with an insurer, there will be no appeals process)", again, please the exact page, line and bill number/sponsors, and the exact language. Ditto regarding what you have said about a "Health Choices Commissioner".
Regarding illegals, when you go to Europe, most tourists pay nothing for the care they get. You concede that legal immigrants are covered; again, where in the 'the bill' is this language, and why shouldn't green card holders be covered? Perhaps had Mr. Bush during his 8 years spent some time worrying about our borders and enforcement of laws against employers already on the books (employers who cleverly hire illegals and let the rest of us fund their healthcare, education and other services rather than provide their employees with benefits), you wouldn't still be making your anti-immigrant statements.
"Profits" are one thing. Obscene profits another. I suggest you read Paul Krugman's article in yesterday's NY Times. He explains exactly why we need insurers and how the entire system isn't working, but can work.
But let's start by you providing us with tangible evidence of the talking points you spew. |
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I have had Medicare since 2004 I have had 3 surgeries and numerous Dr's appointments. The funny thing about this medical care is that I never needed it until I reached 65. I was never sick a day and paid my dues to Social Security. I have a supplement carrier which pays what Medicare doesn't. Why would I want to switch? I also have the V.A. which I limit my appointments due to the long waits, It took me 6 months back in 2005 to get a MRI, Later on with medicare and my supplemental carrier I received a MRI with in 1 day. I do not want to change lucky for me is that my Congressman is Republican although I do have a split part senator, one of them have to go guess who! |
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If what you have provided is 'from the bill', kindly:
(a) Identify the 'bill' by HR or SR number, and include the names of the sponsors;
(b) Provide us with the exact language in the bill that you are quoting. For example, you say that on Page 29, 'the bill' 'admits' that 'your health care will be rationed'. Well, please provide the entire citation, word by word, rather than the interpretation that you (or, as I suspect, someone else has blogged or written) you claim says that health care will be rationed.
My dear friend was diagnosed this week with pancreatic cancer, not a good prognosis. He is going to have something called a "Whipple" procedure, but here, even at a major teaching hospital, he must wait until there is an 'opening' for the surgery. They estimate the surgery will take place in about 2 weeks, 2 weeks into the 4 month death sentence they also gave him. That sounds to me like rationing, no? If he were uninsured, I doubt they would even recommend the surgery insofar as it is only a bit more than 50/50 that he will add much time to his life. That, too, is rationing, based on his financial resources. So, where in 'the bill' is that sentence, sir?
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axeholio
This from the bill, moron!!!!
• Page 50: All non-US citizens, illegal or not, will be provided with free healthcare services.
Free for them, as they pay no taxes...OOOOPPPPS, until amnesty is granted....then MAYBE? But we taxpayers will certainly be paying for them, as we already do.
Hey MEXICO, send your masses and indigents, we need you, you bring so much stability, wealth, and ethnic diversity here...I hope when the rest of us taxpaying citizens are broke, you can find the same compassion we showed you to fund our health care needs and educational system, as most of us do not know Spanish and we will be at a significant disadvantage when you are the populous in control.
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My 41 y/o mother had a c-section and the doctor left the afterbirth behind. Subsequently, she had to be rushed to the hospital, hemmoraging...had to have blood transfusions, etc...then she had to pay the bill for the care needed to save her life. Health care in USA, folks! We may have some of the best, brightest and top technology...but the delivery system (money), costs (money), access (money), leaves all of us vulnerable...tort reform, for who? It is next to impossible to file a malpractice case and win in this country. So, why do we need tort reform? When the likelyhood of getting anyone to sue some of them doc's, is very unlikely! |
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think compassion is giving away other peoples money |
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This from the bill, moron!!!!
Page 29: Admission: your health care will be rationed.
• Page 30: A government committee will decide what treatments and benefits you get (and, unlike with an insurer, there will be no appeals process)\
• Page 42: The "Health Choices Commissioner" will decide health benefits for you. You will have no choice. None.
• Page 50: All non-US citizens, illegal or not, will be provided with free healthcare services.
note page 42 I worked with my insurance company when my wife was treated for cancer ,this option will no longer be available .
Quit whining about profits, profits are invested back into the economy unlike taxes .you really are unbelievably stupid . |
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Last month, testimony in front of the U.S. Senate Committee on Commerce, Science and Transportation by a former health insurance insider named Wendell Potter made news even before it occurred: CBS NEWS headlined: "Cigna Whistleblower to Testify." After Potter's testimony the industry scrambled to do damage control: "Insurers defend rescissions, take heat for lack of transparency."
In his first extended television interview since leaving the health insurance industry, Wendell Potter tells Bill Moyers why he left his successful career as the head of Public Relations for CIGNA, one of the nation's largest insurers, and decided to speak out against the industry. "I didn't intend to [speak out], until it became really clear to me that the industry is resorting to the same tactics they've used over the years, and particularly back in the early '90s, when they were leading the effort to kill the Clinton plan."
Potter began his trip from health care spokesperson to reform advocate while back home in Tennessee. Potter attended a "health care expedition," a makeshift health clinic set up at a fairgrounds, and he tells Bill Moyers, "It was absolutely stunning. When I walked through the fairground gates, I saw hundreds of people lined up, in the rain. It was raining that day. Lined up, waiting to get care, in animal stalls. Animal stalls."
Looking back over his long career, Potter sees an industry corrupted by Wall Street expectations and greed. According to Potter, insurers have every incentive to deny coverage — every dollar they don't pay out to a claim is a dollar they can add to their profits, and Wall Street investors demand they pay out less every year. Under these conditions, Potter says, "You don't think about individual people. You think about the numbers, and whether or not you're going to meet Wall Street's expectations."
http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07102009/profile.html |
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Reading Town Hall, the problem I see is that the GOP is repeating the same mistakes the Democrats did in the 1980's. After Jimmy Carter lost in 1980 (after John Anderson split the liberal vote) Democrats concluded that the reason they were losing elections was that they weren't being liberal enough. They got a little encouragement in the 1982 elections, when they gained seats in the House. So instead of nominating a sensible moderate like Gary Hart, they nominated Fritz Mondale. They lost 49 states.
Still not learning their lesson, (and encouraged by gaining the Senate in 1986) they nominated Mike Dukakis instead of a sensible moderate like Al Gore. Bam- Once again, George H. Bush won 40 states.
Finally, The Dems got their wedge. Ross Perot split the conservative vote and the Dems had the good sense to nominate a moderate in 1992. |
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that's why you are all so angry and scared. Medicare for all, not just you oldies. |
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case load been heavy, there "loony"!! HAHAHAHAHAHA.......you may have met your match in "kayboom", though, cause we caught her in a whooper too!! Lyin' leftists, it's a way of life, for ya' ain't it. |
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on the Th blog, and no life outside it. What a bore you must be, "punk"! All day everyday, searchin' and hopin', lookin' to make those points. The leftist, "i just gotta' be right". Your "messiah" he's ineligible, ain't he! Momma was only 18, and daddy, was a British subject. Violation of election law, he did! Only question is, does anyone have the guts. Democrat party has bet the farm on it. That no one does. If poll numbers continue down, how low can they go before the democrats, admit then jettison "the one we have been waitin' for"? Interestin'......President Biden..........the "boob in chief". |
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on healthcare in Sept. By then, you GOP types will be dead again, pining for Newt or Sarah, when what you really need is a smart guy like Mitt. |
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"If insurance companies are so evil that they must be replaced with government health care, who will pay the jury awards in medical malpractice cases?"
You seem a bit confused here. Health care insurance and malpractice insurance are two different things. Nothing is going to happen to the malpractice insurance companies, any more than to the automobile or homeowners insurance companies. |
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If insurance companies are so evil that they must be replaced with government health care, who will pay the jury awards in medical malpractice cases? There will be no insurance companies. Therefore, it follows, that the taxpayers will have to pay the awards. Why should I pay for your sister's pain and suffering? Try to have a consistent world view. I know it makes your head hurt, but try anyway.
Obumbles and minions have demonized doctors, insurance companies, pharmaceutical companies, investment firms, oil companies....Is there any private business of which they approve? It appears not. Marxism, thy name is Obumbles, the flap eared simpleton. |
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Lefties' seriousness and intellectual grip cannot be adequately quantified for shallowness. Thanks, Twerps. No, really...Thank You!
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One note worth mentioning for you ambu-chaser defenders: Reforming the ceilings way down and revising the grounds doesn't mean REPEAL.
Unbelievable. Their Death Grip on the throat of the Democrat Party can be seen in your willingness to spend TRILLIONS on Socialized Medicine, rather than spend one small year working out major needed Tort reform. |
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The Democrats have so overreached since Obama became president that the future for Republicans looks brighter on a weekly basis. We need to play this sound bite of Barney Frank speaking frankly about the single payer option and ensure that the true motives of the left as it pertains to healthcare is clearly known.
Thanks Barn' we needed that. |
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"Reform must FIRST come with Tort Reform. Profound tort reform. ... The Legal Eagles OWN your Democrat Party."
You guys controlled the Congress and the White House for quite a few years just a short while ago. Why didn't you reform the torts then? Same reason you didn't stop illegal immigration? |
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admit that their plastic-man, their iconic zero, Obumbles is an incredible liar! Fortunately more and more people, especially the, Independents, not the drooling drones here, are awakening to this fact. I believe his poll numbers with the Independents is 46% or 47% according to Quinnipiac and slightly higher with Rasmussen. People are beginning to see the sham that Obumbles is, except, of course, the drooling drones here. It is interesting to note that when this clown goes off script, he sticks his foot into his mouth clear up to his flapping ears! Oh yes, so smart, so articulate. Anyone can be articulate reading a prepared statement, even drooling drones! |
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yes, make fun of pain and suffering. That's why there will be no tort reform, and why juries award such extraordinary verdicts so often. They are MAD at what these 'professionals' do, and they punish them.
And there are 'too few doctors' now in many places. Not because of how much medicine pays or doesn't pay, or what they must do or can do medically, but because the medical schools artificially restrict the number of doctors they enroll and graduate. Doctors control it all. They want to control liability issues too, but not by policing themselves, but by restricting the rights of those they harm.
I don't hate cops at all. In fact, on the 'California is being destroyed by unions' thread, I noted that cops are unionized in my state. They deserve those pensions, but most of you hate civil servants.
As for insurance companies, I don't really have an opinion. Mine is fine and I would keep it under the Obama plan.
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Kaboom writes: "But, in her state, because she didn't die, and because the only 'loss' was her ability to have a third (or 4th, etc) child..."
3rd or 4th child? When you think about it, that doctor actually did her a favor because now she can stay true to the liberal ideal of zero population growth.
Anybody else you hate beside cops, doctors and insurance companies, Kaboom? |
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Do you think Doctors will stop making mistakes under Govt run health? They are human afterall. Life isn't perfect or fair. Something (dumb) Christians understand and accept.
And given that there will be a doctor shortage under this plan, overstressed Docs will most likely make more mistakes, or...lets slow everything down and make you wait, weeks if need be...Sound familiar? |
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no, YOU focus. Tort reform starts with doctors doing their jobs properly. For decades, doctors have covered for each other. It was difficult to even get a doctor to be an expert in a case against another doctor. If you testified, you would be blackballed in the doctor community.
Some states limit pain and suffering damages. So, I guess you think it is alright, for example, for a woman (my sister) to have a complete hysterectomy at age 35 because the stupid ob/gyn left part of the placenta in her, leading to complications. She almost died. But, in her state, because she didn't die, and because the only 'loss' was her ability to have a third (or 4th, etc) child, the lawyers said it wasn't 'worth' their time.
Doctors need to stop messing up. That's the easiest way to get tort reform. And then make sure your carrier takes the matter to trial if you are in the right. |
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sleazy ambu-chasing Democrat Tort lawyers mixed up with Insurance Company execs, Babycakes.
Now, focus, Turd: Reform must FIRST come with Tort Reform. Profound tort reform. But, of course, that ain't gonna happen, is it? NOPE. The Legal Eagles OWN your Democrat Party.
This attempted SHIPWRECK isn't going to happen. It, along with Cap & Ponzi, have already reduced The Messiah's size hugely. That course will continue. Even late night TV Libs are doing mocking skits of your clueless faux prez. |
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LIAR works for me.
In fact lets spread it around..every single DemonRAT in office is LYING about health care, porkulus, crap and traitor..you name it..their lips move..they are lying but we have to admit
the Grand Master of LIARS is Barry. |
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Too, too, tooooooooooooooo Funny. |
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Hey, is it a surprise that this guy would lie? |
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Not only did Frank state his wishes, but Pelosi and Obama have said the problem with Health Care today is the Insurance Companies. If they think the Insurance companies are evil, then it would surprise no one that they favor a government one payer system and eliminate those evil insurance companies that have the audacity to make money and employ millions of workers nationwide. |
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Todd DiRoberto
http://www.linkedin.com/pub/todd-diroberto/14/8b8/851
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time to get rid of all govt. plans, including medicare and va care. Today. Get your own private policies. Join the fun. |
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