Wednesday, July 18, 2007
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Gore Serves Endangered Fish at Daughter's Wedding
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Posted by:
Mary Katharine Ham at
9:41 AM
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After Live Earth produced the carbon emissions of a small country in order to discourage carbon emissions, Gore has moved onto eating endangered species to encourage their preservation, I guess. Don't ask questions. He's a visionary:
Gore and his guests at the weekend ceremony dined on Chilean sea bass - arguably one of the world's most threatened fish species. Also known as Patagonian toothfish, the species is under pressure from illegal, unregulated and unreported fishing activities in the Southern Ocean, jeopardising the sustainability of remaining stocks. The species is currently managed by the Commission for the Conservation of Antarctic Living Marine Resources, the body which introduced a catch and trade documentation scheme as an attempt to tackle illegal poaching of this species.
The story comes from the Humane Society.
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It's where a lot of fools met,including the fools who beleive all of these morans.Wake up America! |
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It says..I support Sea Bass...farms. |
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you wouldn't like a nice piece of Soothfish instead. Try it with the Kimber Sauce....
...leaves a nasty taste in your mouth....! |
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So it IS OKAY to eat threatened fish though? Fire up the boiler, I'm ready for Chilean Seas Bass. After all, these fish are only threatened, not endangered. |
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This apparently means it's only ok for liberal politicians to eat them..... |
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Eagles are not endangered. They are protected. It is still ill eagle (sorry could not resist) to possess them or any part of them, shoot them, eat them. Just don't get caught. But I don't think you would like the taste. They taste like Owl...:-)... |
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They aren't endangered. Can we fry them up like a chicken? |
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One other thing,
Stop cherry picking. |
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Tinisoli,
Your tinfoil hat is too tight. May be cutting off the flow of blood, or whatever you are using. And don't call me stupid, you don't know me. Your analogy of a very venomous octopus is useless as is you stupid question about firebombing Yosemtie(sic) and Yellowstone. You accuse me of obfuscating. What do you call your caterwalling? You sound lioke someone who cut and paste off Kos. I live the desert Southwest, and have to watch daily for animals that are out to defend and feed themselves, the same to the Blue Ring Octopus (btw: there is a tiny squid that is more dangerous). And most of the CO2 uptake happens in the oceans, not the forest of the world. The phytoplankton do their thing (converting CO2 into phytoplankton and O2), die and are eaten (most likely) or fall to the bottom. In any case the carbon is fixed or bound into other parts of the vast glorious world, and is not in the atmosphere.
Michael Crichton, who wrote State Of Fear, a well researched novel (it has many pages of footnotes), notes the consensus has nothing to do with science.
Bjorn Lomborg wrote The Skeptical Environmentalist was a card carrying member of Greenpeace before he wrote his book.
Cut and paste or follow this link and do some reading offline. http://www.amazon.com/Politically-Incorrect-Global-Warming-Environmentalism/dp/1596985011/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/102-9198863-6058527?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1184860421&sr=8-1
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But, as the Telegraph reports today, “Al Gore’s fish dinner turns out green“:
[T]he fish enjoyed by the Gores were not endangered or illegally caught.
Rather, the restaurant later confirmed, they had come from one of the world’s few well-managed, sustainable populations of toothfish, and caught and documented in compliance with Marine Stewardship Council regulations. |
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The octopus venom analogy was directed at the idiot who seems to regard the low partial pressure of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere as evidence that this gas could not possibly result in global warming. He or she was suggesting, essentially, that something that is small in size or concentration cannot possibly be something we ought to worry about messing with. Pretty stupid thinking. Hence my analogy about other seemingly innocuous things that can actually hurt you despite their appearances. Please explain why that analogy was the stupidest thing you've ever heard in a long time rather than simply saying so. By the way, it wasn't meant to describe any "sky is falling nonsense," but to illustrate the stupidity of just one of the ideas that climate change deniers pull out of their asses when they are confronted with scientific facts. 'Carbon dioxide is just a gas! Photosynthetic lifeforms need it!' Blah blah blah, obfuscate, obfuscate.
Again, pointing out that there have been ice ages in the past and that mankind certainly didn't contribute to the melting process in those cases has no bearing on the argument about climate change. Nor is it meaningful that it was also really hot on July 20 fifty years ago, or that it is colder in location X than it was last year. Climatology is not, contrary to what you may have been led to believe, a matter of looking at the thermometer on any given day or in any given place. You and other climate change deniers are simply lying when you characterize climatology in this way. Do you have any idea what science is? Or evidence? You know, there is actually a substantive difference between someone providing real evidence and someone (like our President) saying they simply believe or don't believe something.
Lending credence to thousands of climatologists on this matter is not a "religious" act or one of faith. It is simply a conclusion that we all ought to be reaching given the tremendous evidence that supports their hypothesis. I assume that you are a participant in the American economy, and you therefore make various choices based on information that trickles down to you from various sources. And I assume that some of those sources are (gasp!) scientific institutions or agencies. Do you ignore all FDA advisories? For example, do you think it's just fine to smoke and drink while pregnant? I could go on and on, but what I'm getting at is, why is the tremendous scientific consensus about climate change less credible than the consensus on other matters? Is it simply because Al Gore, someone who presumably distrust already, has taken upon himself to be a spokesman?
And let's keep in mind what Republicans these days trot out as evidence. WMD in Iraq? Um, well, I guess we had "bad intelligence." We're "winning" in Iraq? Well, we're doing some good work in Anbar... Scooter Libby shouldn't be in jail? Well, yeah, because, you know, that Bush-appointed judge clearly was too harsh, and so was that Bush-appointed prosecutor.
As for the oft-mentioned "hypocrisy" of Al Gore ('cause he's got a big house, drives a car, eats food, doesn't hold in his farts, etc.), I wonder when you guys will train your hypocrisy detection devices onto the chickenhawks who had "other priorities" when they were of age to serve in an armed conflict. Bush, Cheney, Guiliani, Romney, and company. Where is your outcry about these phonies and their "I'd double GITMO!" chest-thumping shtick? If Al Gore (a private citizen, last I checked) should be lambasted for scolding us on carbon consumption while he himself lives in a large house, what should the punishment be for the elected officials who casually send kids off to die in Iraq even though they themselves never had the balls to fight? |
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Let me see, planet once tropical, then out of nowhere, something occurred and it was then covered with ice. Ice all of a sudden melted away causing such beautious things as yosemite and other natural wonders, and giving us the surrent climate. hmmm...how was that possible without SUV's, man and industry? there are also news reports that the Religion of Global Warming is taking as proof of Global Warming such as "Hottest Summer in 50 Years", when what they are ignoring is that 50 years ago, it was this hot, or that a 100 year record is broken, ignoring that 100 years ago it was maybe 1 degree less. Considering that weather patterns and records have only been kept for the last 50-150 years, depending on which you are talking about, I find it incredibly difficult for ANYONE to say that what is going on now is anything other than natural occurances. However, you idiots want to limit something that we all expel each time we breathe. Let me remind you as well, that trees and other green plants and items use CO2 TO LIVE AND SURVIVE! Without it, they die. they are here to convert CO2 into O2, tha magic gas that allows you to talk out your butts about things that fit on bumper stickers. Sorry, but the venom of an octopuss analogy has to be one of the stupidest things I have heard in a long time to describe this "sky-is-falling" nonsense. If you want to feel guilty about being alive and utilizing all the gifts that the good Lord has bestowed upon us, that's fine, keep it to yourselves. It fits in with the Dhimmitude your ilk is heading towards when you welcome the new Muslim overlords in you're encouraging who want us all to return to the Dark ages and live in caves. I, for one, will continue to live my life according to my means and strive for bigger and better things and teach my children the same and that Global Warming is the biggest load of bunk this planet has seen in history and is nothing more than yet another money making scheme for people who believe that tossing a couple of bucks towards a company owned by Mr. Manbearpig will allow them to live the same way.
Oh, and just for the record, the Tooth Fairy isn't real either. Just thought i would let you know. |
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Former Vice-President Manbearpig is arguably the biggest hypocrite there is on the Democrat side. This is only overshadowed by his cry-baby tactics when he doesn't get his way. I guess he will just have to pay himself some more guilt money to offset the damage he did to the Chilean Sea Bass population and voila, no harm no foul.
Nothing says "Do as I say, not as I do" like a Liberal. |
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Well, the Al Gore Traveling Circus and Eating Exhibition has struck again. Whether or not he issued the food order, or the fish is endangered or threatened, someone in the Circus should have been paying closer attention.
I think Al should spend some more time in his home arena, picking off snaildarters in his basement shooting gallery, and leave public life to those who can handle it.
Good night Al! |
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No, I'm sorry, but the terms Solar Minimum and Solar Maximum do NOT refer to the sun's brilliance, but to the Sun's magnetic activity, which produces sunspots.
The natural 22-year sunspot cycle has quite a lot to do with the formation of clouds, which in turn affects the atmospheric temperature.
CO2 does not greatly affect atmospheric temperature, as demonstrated by historic and ice core evidence. |
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As others have pointed out, the species in question here is not endangered. There are certain stocks of Patagonian toothfish that have been severely depleted by illegal fishing. There is another stock that is deemed healthy, sustainable, and has been certified as such by the Marine Stewardship Council. It is likely that whatever toothfish was served at the Gore wedding was bought from this sustainable, small-scale fishery. The idea behind the certification process is that by supporting sustainable fisheries (and paying a premium that ensures that it did indeed come from said fishery) the demand will shift from illegally-caught stocks and such pirate fishing will no longer be profitable. It's a more reasonable and informed approach to conservation and fisheries management.
As for the usual "How can carbon dioxide be such a big deal when it makes up such a small portion of the atmosphere?" nonsense, you ought to consider how the venomous bite of the tiny blue-ringed octopus can, um, kill you in a matter of minutes. By your idiotic logic, something so small surely can't kill you. If you aren't "buying" that a gas that doesn't make up the majority of our atmosphere can build up to levels that will be detrimental, well, you are simply engaging in uninformed idiotic skepticism, presumably for the purpose of obfuscating reality.
And for the guy who is baffled by the fact that Greenland once had less ice than it has now, this means absolutely nothing vis a vis anthropogenic climate change or the mountain of evidence supporting it as a viable, profound scientific hypothesis. This a like suggesting that because people actually suffered from lung cancer before the advent of cigarettes, cigarette smoke must not be carcinogenic.
Is it really so difficult to get your head around the idea that humans can trigger phenomena without inventing them or being the first to trigger them? Can you not conceive of a situation in which Event A occurs because of people despite it also being a cyclical or natural event? Another analogy: Forest fires. Yes, they occur naturally, and they are in fact necessary for the health of forest ecosystems. But does that mean we should firebomb Yosemtie and Yellowstone?
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yes you did...you missed a great Sea Bass dinner if your invitation to hang out with the beautiful people for THE BIG DAY got lost in the mail. I know mine did. |
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If I didn't see this report on the "Situation Room"... How can I believe it? |
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Kimber Sauce of course....! |
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He had to choose between the Sea Bass, or the even more endangered "Soothfish."
He could have saved himself a lot of grief..... |
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Gore does not live a carbon nuetral life style. I read somewhere (I'm still looking for the reference) that the so-called Carbon Offsets are the modern versions of Indulgences. If you don't know what they were, look it up. The comparison is fitting when most of the world now views Global Warming as a religion.
I am not saying that Gore should live like a pauper, I said a two bedroom apartment, ride a bicycle, fly commercial - LIKE THE REST OF US.
You also stated "According to a NASA Goddard Institute for Space Studies (GISS) press release, "...the solar increases do not have the ability to cause large global temperature increases...greenhouse gases are indeed playing the dominant role..." I do not believe what comes out of NASA, which knows where there funding comes from. The atmosphere of our planet is 78.084% nitrogen, 20.946% oxygen, 0.934% argon, 0.038% carbon dioxide (usually expressed in parts per million), 1% water vapor, 0.002% other. Please note that water vapor is 1%, almost three times CO2. If you count the other as all GHGs, then you are saying that 0.04% of our atmosphere is causing global warming. I DON'T BUY IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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This "story" makes my heart swell; things are so awful in the republican party that this sort of dreck is considered "newsworthy."
sgrivette, your presence is requested on the Jesus doll thread. :) |
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you write;
"He already lives a carbon-neutral lifestyle..." which tells me you BELIEVE the carbon crdit scam is LEGIT!!!
So why woiuld I think you know anything about Global Warming or Solar activity?
Just explain the 1,000 years frozen Viking village NOW being thawed out to me THEN maybe I'll consider giving what you say credence. |
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Yes, Al Gore needs to "live like a pauper to be legitimate in his concern for global warming", as much as the idiotic likes of David Vitter needs to live like a pauper to be legitimate in his concern for family. If these politicians want to be taken serious, then they need to live the lifestyle they promote. When a politician is against guns in Washington, DC, then that politician should not have a gun in DC. When a politicician is pro-life, that politician must lead a pro-life lifestyle.
Turning it around on Vitter will get you nowhere because almost everyone here at TH would agree and admit that Vitter is a hypocrite. There's no shame in calling a spade a spade. And yes, Gore has once again proven his hypocrisy. |
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Increased solar radiation is absolutely NOT the culprit behind global warming.
While a component of recent global warming may have been caused by the increased solar activity of the last solar cycle, that component was very small compared to the effects of additional greenhouse gases. According to a NASA Goddard Institute for Space Studies (GISS) press release, "...the solar increases do not have the ability to cause large global temperature increases...greenhouse gases are indeed playing the dominant role..." The Sun is once again less bright as we approach solar minimum, yet global warming continues.
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David "I love prostitutes" Vitter excoriates others for their perceived immorality for not being a rabid bigot and control freak while cheating on his wife. This isn't the first time he has been adulterous either. |
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So Gore has to live like a pauper to be legitimate in his concern for global warming in your eyes?
He already lives a carbon-neutral lifestyle and drives a hybrid vehicle.
Gore doesn't advocate that we all need to live in huts to stop global warming, just that basic common sense measures need to be taken to ensure the continued viability of the Earth's ecosystems and climate.
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Way to go Gore. If all else fails blame the caterer. |
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Recently a team of archeologists were sent to Greenland to investigate a Viking village that dated back 1,000 years, when Greenland was GREEN LAND and, the Vikings settled there because their animals could graze on the plentiful grass and the climate was moderate.
The village had only VERY RECENTLY been UNCOVERED by the retreating glacier that the Goracle claims is a sign that "the planet has a fever"...
When they can explain to me how the Viking village got underneath the glacier and convince me that the glacier, which obviously FORMED & ADVANCED across Greenland in the last 1,000 yrs., is SUPPOSED to be there (not the result of a mini-ice-age) then I might listen to there arguments and WARNINGS.
I tend to think the THAWED OUT village proves the ice advancing & receding is cyclical, and man has very little control over it.
Keep in mind the icecaps on Mars are melting at the same time as the glacier in Greenland is melting...could this mean the Sun is either getting stronger or perhaps we are a path that is bringing us closer to it than we have been for ohhhhhh maybe 1,000 years or so???
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...for the etchically-bankrupt dirtbag he is, let's be practical for a second.
This was his daughter's wedding. Do you really think he knew what was getting served anytime before the moment a plate was put in front of him?
When you're the father of the bride, you know two things: 1. How to walk down the aisle, and 2. How to write alot of checks.
In this case, I blame Tipper and the un-named silver-spoon ladened spawn the Gores sired for likely hypocrisy. I am sure they also drone on about how 'committed' they are to hubby/daddy's causes. |
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has been spotted eating Twinkies despite making trans-fat foods illegal in NYC...
The Liberal's are all...
"Do as I say, not as I do...so there'll be more for me!"
AND
"I've got mine! So to heII with you!" |
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Is is true the other alternative was Spotted Owl a la king? |
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There are books out there that have the liberal hypocrisy well documented. Al Gore wants us to reduce consumption, but he has increased his massively. As soon as he sells his mansion, moves into a two bedroom apartment, rides a bike around, and travels on commercial airlines, maybe, just maybe I'll start listening a little more. I'm not hold my breath. |
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The fish was known and sold as Toothfish. Not much takers. When the name was changed to Chilean Sea Bass, no one could get enough of it. so we just need to chnage the name back... |
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It's important to note that the fish, contrary to your title, are NOT endangered, but threatened. |
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I'm sure that there is a perfectly logical explanation, such as: Al, in hos infinite scientific wisdom, has determined that, due to global warming, this species will suffer a population explosion and he is just being proactive to curb the problems of overpopulation.... yeah... that's the ticket! |
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"The species is currently managed by the Commission for the Conservation of Antarctic Living Marine Resources, the body which introduced a catch and trade documentation scheme as an attempt to tackle illegal poaching of this species."
I would not vote for Al Gore for anything, but if there is a body that is to manage the fish population and document legal catching and trade, how do we know that the fish weren't "legal" and came at a high price in support of the legitimate trade?
I don't believe that "one of the world's most threatened fish species" ("arguably") is present in numbers to make commercial fishing viable, even if by poaching.
We have laws that prevent importation of products made from animals that are catagorized as (truly) endangered.
I could be wrong in my thinking, but I'd need to be shown detailed documentation before I'll believe it. (There are enough other things to disagree with concerning VP Gore.) |
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Algore Goracle and his ilk are "better" than us (/sarcasm).
Seriously (or at least semi-seriously), I'll wager Algore knows whether Chilean sea bass tastes like bald eagle. |
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I'm sure he bought some guppies or something to offset the inpact of eating these fish. |
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