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Tuesday, June 30, 2009
Understanding Honduras
Posted by: Carol Platt Liebau at 9:48 PM
The editorial over at National Review Online is required reading for anyone who wants to understand what really seems to have happened in Honduras.

In fact, President Zelaya -- the victim of the supposed "coup" -- was making a play to transform his presidency into a dictatorship, following in the footsteps of his friend Hugo Chavez.

So it's no surprise that Chavez denounced what happened.  It's no surprise that Fidel Castro did, too.  Same goes for Nicaragua's Daniel Ortega.

What's a little disappointing is that the President who wouldn't be caught "meddling" on behalf of the cause of freedom in Iran added his voice to the left-wing chorus of Chavez, Castro and Ortega.

View in ascending order View in descending order
arch writes: Friday, July, 03, 2009 1:09 AM
Total liar Vlad!!

Read post 228 on this link from powerline.
Lucky Pozzo says Vladimir Estrogan's 2 and 1/2 year old post is "mine" while posting as Lucky Pozzo! What a liar Vlad is!!!


http://74.125.95.132/search?q=cache:ZNOLZQt1WR8J:www.plnews forum.com/index.php/forums/viewthread/47510/P225/+But+Skips ailing+wasn%E2%80%99t+referring+to+a+neighbor%E2%80%99s+son +killed+by+a+roadside+bomb+in+Iraq,+and+Vlad+was.&cd=2&hl=e n&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-a
arch writes: Friday, July, 03, 2009 12:39 AM
Vlad Read this link!

arch writes: Friday, July, 03, 2009 12:15 AM
Vlad. read post 228 in this link
http://74.125.95.132/search?q=cache:ZNOLZQt1WR8J:www.plnews forum.com/index.php/forums/viewthread/47510/P225/+But+Skips ailing+wasn%E2%80%99t+referring+to+a+neighbor%E2%80%99s+son +killed+by+a+roadside+bomb+in+Iraq,+and+Vlad+was.&cd=2&hl=e n&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-a

Now read your post here on townhall!

vladimir estragon writes: Tuesday, June, 23, 2009 10:14 AM

Lucky Pozzo is an internet buddy of mine. We hooked up years ago, with a shared taste for right-wing lunacy. He went off to a right-wing site and I went over to Powerline, and we would share stories. When Powerline kicked me out, he created his own Samuel Beckett moniker there. He wasn't a sock puppet, he wasn't "pegged" for anything by the child molesting Roy Rogers, and neither he nor I admitted anything.

Vlad. Now I ask you why you refer to yourself as I when discussing a two and a half year old post by Vladimir Estrogan while posting as Lucky Pozzo? Can you say you are a liar!!!
Now read your post here on townhall!

vladimir estragon writes: Tuesday, June, 23, 2009 10:14 AM

Lucky Pozzo is an internet buddy of mine. We hooked up years ago, with a shared taste for right-wing lunacy. He went off to a right-wing site and I went over to Powerline, and we would share stories. When Powerline kicked me out, he created his own Samuel Beckett moniker there. He wasn't a sock puppet, he wasn't "pegged" for anything by the child molesting Roy Rogers, and neither he nor I admitted anything.




Vlad. Now I ask you why you refer to yourself as I when discussing a two and a half year old post by Vladimir Estrogan while posting as Lucky Pozzo? Can you say you are a liar!!!
arch writes: Friday, July, 03, 2009 12:15 AM
Vlad. read post 228 in this link
http://74.125.95.132/search?q=cache:ZNOLZQt1WR8J:www.plnews forum.com/index.php/forums/viewthread/47510/P225/+But+Skips ailing+wasn%E2%80%99t+referring+to+a+neighbor%E2%80%99s+son +killed+by+a+roadside+bomb+in+Iraq,+and+Vlad+was.&cd=2&hl=e n&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-a

Now read your post here on townhall!

vladimir estragon writes: Tuesday, June, 23, 2009 10:14 AM

Lucky Pozzo is an internet buddy of mine. We hooked up years ago, with a shared taste for right-wing lunacy. He went off to a right-wing site and I went over to Powerline, and we would share stories. When Powerline kicked me out, he created his own Samuel Beckett moniker there. He wasn't a sock puppet, he wasn't "pegged" for anything by the child molesting Roy Rogers, and neither he nor I admitted anything.

Lucky and I even had a falling out when I found out he had identified my son's unit when he was posted to Afghanistan. I learned long ago not to reveal any personal information on sites populated by half-civilized right-wing knuckle draggers. That's probably where you and the onanist Roy Rogers got the idea that I didn't know about things that a Marine's father should know, because I won't play your stupid little swinging Richard games.

Of course, you know all of this already, don't you? You've read it all, right? So tell me, what outfit was my son in when he was in Afghanistan?

Vlad. Now I ask you why you refer to yourself as I when discussing a two and a half year old post by Vladimir Estrogan while posting as Lucky Pozzo? Can you say you are a liar!!!
vladimir estragon writes: Thursday, July, 02, 2009 1:12 PM
Sweeping up after the donkeys
Somebody else want to sweep child molester Arch's stench out of here? The longer he sticks around, the more desperately he lies.

RE: Honduras - the National Review seems to think that since the Supreme Court decided Zelaya was GOING TO try to do something unconstitutional, they could order the military to depose him.

Does this mean that the National Review would have no problem with the U.S. Supreme Court ordering regiments from Fort Myer to remove President Bush because they considered his surveillance and detention programs unconstitutional?
Legally Remove BO writes: Wednesday, July, 01, 2009 11:45 PM
Truth re: Honduras. We need same in US!
As military "coups" go, the one this weekend in Honduras was strangely, well, democratic. The military didn't oust President Manuel Zelaya on its own but instead followed an order of the Supreme Court. It also quickly turned power over to the president of the Honduran Congress, a man from the same party as Mr. Zelaya. The legislature and legal authorities all remain intact.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124640649700876791.html
arch writes: Wednesday, July, 01, 2009 11:06 PM
Vlad caught lying on townhall!!
Bob Munck I caught your buddy, Vlad, in a huge lie. This is what he posted.
http://74.125.95.132/search?q=cache:ZNOLZQt1WR8J:www.plnews forum.com/index.php/forums/viewthread/47510/P225/+But+Skips ailing+wasn%E2%80%99t+referring+to+a+neighbor%E2%80%99s+son +killed+by+a+roadside+bomb+in+Iraq,+and+Vlad+was.&cd=2&hl=e n&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-a

Now read posts number 226,227, and 228. In post number 228. Lucky Pozzo admits he is Vlad by referring to a quoted post by Roy Rogers from two and a half years ago and refers to himself as {I} when the quoted post is under the name Vladimir Estrogan!!!!!
Now look at this whopper!!!

This is from townhall recently.

vladimir estragon writes: Tuesday, June, 23, 2009 10:14 AM
Arch
"You got pegged for that by the impeccable Roy Rogers and then admitted it."

Lucky Pozzo is an internet buddy of mine. We hooked up years ago, with a shared taste for right-wing lunacy. He went off to a right-wing site and I went over to Powerline, and we would share stories. When Powerline kicked me out, he created his own Samuel Beckett moniker there. He wasn't a sock puppet, he wasn't "pegged" for anything by the child molesting Roy Rogers, and neither he nor I admitted anything.

Lucky and I even had a falling out when I found out he had identified my son's unit when he was posted to Afghanistan. I learned long ago not to reveal any personal information on sites populated by half-civilized right-wing knuckle draggers. That's probably where you and the onanist Roy Rogers got the idea that I didn't know about things that a Marine's father should know, because I won't play your stupid little swinging Richard games.

Of course, you know all of this already, don't you? You've read it all, right? So tell me, what outfit was my son in when he was in Afghanistan?

What a lying piece of human garbage you are Vlad!!
Legally Remove BO writes: Wednesday, July, 01, 2009 8:48 PM
4 neoscum
Here's some restoration, reformation, & revolution it that Our Founding Fathers supported:

1) Advertise and Promote the Fact that you are forming a Grand Jury in Blogs, Local Newspapers and Community Organizations.

2) Form the Grand Jury and select a Foreman.

3) Select a Private Attorney General to make Presentments to Grand Jury, if local DA refuses to make presentments.

4) Select a convenient Meeting Place.

5) Communicate with all Citizens who have criminal information to present.

6) Schedule presentments by said Citizens.

7) Subpoena documents from Government Offices and Officials.

8) Schedule presentment of said Documents to Grand Jury by Grand Jury Attorney General.

9) Have Grand Jury Attorney General present said Documents to Grand Jury.

10) After investigation and deliberation is completed, vote and issue a True Bill (Indictment) or No True Bill.

11) Announce all Indictments to the Press.

12) Serve the Indictment on the Judiciary for the Issuance of Arrest Warrants.

http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2009/06/how-to-start-and- lead-citizens-grand.html
NeoConScum writes: Wednesday, July, 01, 2009 8:39 PM
LR BO...Ummmm...Tell Us, Boyo, Do You
have some sort of wretched little Gammy's basement life that compels you to do as much compulsive cluttering at TH as the worst Lefturd Offenders? Do you truly believe that More is Better? Gawd, what tiresome lunacy. The Lithium is a quart and a half low, Bubba.

Whew...!
Legally Remove BO writes: Wednesday, July, 01, 2009 10:58 AM
Exi must agree Iranian Freedom Fighters
and the Hondurans value Liberty more than dems & rinos.
Exeye writes: Wednesday, July, 01, 2009 10:53 AM
Hondurans...
are the new Americans. Time to move.
Legally Remove BO writes: Wednesday, July, 01, 2009 10:45 AM
duh ok BM
Here's some restoration, reformation, & revolution that Our Founding Fathers supported:

1) Advertise and Promote the Fact that you are forming a Grand Jury in Blogs, Local Newspapers and Community Organizations.

2) Form the Grand Jury and select a Foreman.

3) Select a Private Attorney General to make Presentments to Grand Jury, if local DA refuses to make presentments.

4) Select a convenient Meeting Place.

5) Communicate with all Citizens who have criminal information to present.

6) Schedule presentments by said Citizens.

7) Subpoena documents from Government Offices and Officials.

8) Schedule presentment of said Documents to Grand Jury by Grand Jury Attorney General.

7. Have Grand Jury Attorney General present said Documents to Grand Jury.

8) After investigation and deliberation is completed, vote and issue a True Bill (Indictment) or No True Bill.

9) Announce all Indictments to the Press.

10) Serve the Indictment on the Judiciary for the Issuance of Arrest Warrants.

http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2009/06/how-to-start-and- lead-citizens-grand.html
Bob Munck writes: Wednesday, July, 01, 2009 10:37 AM
Legally Remove BO 9:38 AM
"muncky see muncky hear muncky do NOTHING! muncky say bo's BS!"

You really should stick with copying and pasting text you get from other people, BO. When you try to compose a comment on your own, it comes out as incoherent nonsense.
Legally Remove BO writes: Wednesday, July, 01, 2009 10:22 AM
SEE muncky RUN!
muncky SEE, muncky HEAR, muncky KNOW NOTHING!

muncky DO NOTHING!
Legally Remove BO writes: Wednesday, July, 01, 2009 9:38 AM
muncky see muncky hear muncky do
NOTHING! muncky say bo's BS!
Legally Remove BO writes: Wednesday, July, 01, 2009 9:21 AM
It's Our Right 2 DEMAND Our judges!
It is Our Right to DEMAND that Our judges abide by Our Constitution and, upon presentment of Our Indictments of Obama & his co-conspirators, ISSUE ARREST WARRANTS for Obama & his co-conspirators.

If Our judges don't HONOR Our INDICTMENTS then we SHALL sue them upon Original Jurisdiction in SCOTUS!

Nee writes: Wednesday, July, 01, 2009 9:19 AM
Get ready
The Brown shirts are coming, the brown shirts are coming!!

He is a communist, that COWboy President. And as soon the people stop listening to the pied piper's music, the better off we'll be.

I won't hold my breath.
deerhunter writes: Wednesday, July, 01, 2009 9:14 AM
cornflower blue
Can I nominate you for the 'Stupidest political analysis' Award?
Fat Man writes: Wednesday, July, 01, 2009 9:02 AM
Maybe he's just a Stooge

But maybe "The One" is more than that. Maybe he is a willing accomplice in the far left's agenda to destroy the tenets of freedom that have made the United States of America the savior and envy of the world for generations.

Legally Remove BO writes: Wednesday, July, 01, 2009 9:01 AM
How 2 Legally Remove BO.

Here's some restoration, reformation, & revolution that Our Founding Fathers supported:

1) Advertise and Promote the Fact that you are forming a Grand Jury in Blogs, Local Newspapers and Community Organizations.

2) Form the Grand Jury and select a Foreman.

3) Select a Private Attorney General to make Presentments to Grand Jury, if local DA refuses to make presentments.

4) Select a convenient Meeting Place.

5) Communicate with all Citizens who have criminal information to present.

6) Schedule presentments by said Citizens.

7) Subpoena documents from Government Offices and Officials.

8) Schedule presentment of said Documents to Grand Jury by Grand Jury Attorney General.

7. Have Grand Jury Attorney General present said Documents to Grand Jury.

8) After investigation and deliberation is completed, vote and issue a True Bill (Indictment) or No True Bill.

9) Announce all Indictments to the Press.

10) Serve the Indictment on the Judiciary for the Issuance of Arrest Warrants.

http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2009/06/how-to-start-and- lead-citizens-grand.html
Legally Remove BO writes: Wednesday, July, 01, 2009 8:37 AM
Yes, Diane & bo has exploited that mob
ignorance, but Our ultimate Protection is the Supreme Court provided by Our Constitution.

Our Just Justices on Our Supreme Court will put bo in his place.
SJA writes: Wednesday, July, 01, 2009 8:26 AM
Legally Remove BO
So many of our people in this country have become weak, sniveling fools.
They have no idea of the protections that the constitution has afforded us for so many years. Worst is that they do not seem to care either.
Legally Remove BO writes: Wednesday, July, 01, 2009 8:13 AM
Exactly, Diane! Well said!
Our CONSTITUTION is IMPORTANT!

Along with Our Constitution, bo is attempting to shred every Right & Liberty that We the People have.
SJA writes: Wednesday, July, 01, 2009 7:54 AM
Constitution
What a novel idea, actually following the constitution. Hondurans has more guts than we the American people have. They saw their constitution being violated and they took action to protect it and what it stands for. We on the other hand are standing back and watching ours be shredded on a daily basis. Obama and Zelaya are of the same mindet. The constitutions are obstructing their quest for ultimate power. Obama does not really care about the people of Honduras but he does care about promoting a system that takes the power away from the people and gives it to one leader and his followers. A situtation which Obama clearly strives for.
Legally Remove BO writes: Wednesday, July, 01, 2009 7:34 AM
Libs Desperately try 2 change
subject & get rinos to discuss the stupid.
Legally Remove BO writes: Wednesday, July, 01, 2009 6:48 AM
Presumptive Ignorance
No doubt Obama can see his future in the Fate of the Honduran President, another would-be "dictator" who violated his Country's Constitution.

Mr. Obama should have learned from President Nixon's Fate that no man is above Our Constitution, Our Supreme Law, and no presumptuous would-be "dictator" can put, We the People, below him according to Our Constitution.

We are Mr. Obama's bosses as long as he occupies Our White House.

http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2009/06/how-to-start-and- lead-citizens-grand.html

Eugene writes: Wednesday, July, 01, 2009 1:33 AM
Cornflower
Can't buy a clue with cash, can you?
Legally Remove BO writes: Wednesday, July, 01, 2009 12:00 AM
Few if any World Leaders respect bo. Not
even muslim dictators respect bo.
sloandog writes: Tuesday, June, 30, 2009 11:52 PM
Marine,it's amateur hour!
First he embraces Chavez and Ortega and disses our ally Columbia,now he meddles with a democratic procedure! He has single handedly upset the balance of power in South America in three short months.Our enemies can read him like a book,and must be laughing at our inept government.Wasn't this the guy that was going to make everyone like us ?
Legally Remove BO writes: Tuesday, June, 30, 2009 11:34 PM
Maybe Kenya would take bo back or
Indonesia, they like muslims in his former home, Indonesia.
Legally Remove BO writes: Tuesday, June, 30, 2009 11:32 PM
Marine NICE idea but I doubt any other
Country wants bo.
OncealwaysaMarine writes: Tuesday, June, 30, 2009 11:25 PM
Let's put a Cap on Obama & Trade Him In
for Somebody Who Has a Clue.

cornflower blue writes: Tuesday, June, 30, 2009 11:12 PM

"Ah, the smell of bitter irony in the farce called the Republican Party."

It's a wonder you can smell anything with the overwhelming stench of incompetence coming out of the White House these days.

Talk about "Cap and Trade"?

It would be nice if "cap" on Obama's bu!!$h!+ and "trade" him and the corrupt nincompoops in the House and Senate for some representation that care more for the citizens of our own country and it's allies than they do for tin-horn dictators in the Middle East and South America.
























Legally Remove BO writes: Tuesday, June, 30, 2009 11:21 PM
IFF vows to launch Tactical Nuclear
Strike in Iran on 9.9.09 if bo fails to remove the Terrorist regime in Iran.

Approximately 1 hour and 5 minutes into the Broadcast linked below an Iranian Freedom Fighter announces that there will be Tactical Nuclear Strikes on Iran on 9.9.09 if Obama fails to act to remove the TERRORIST regime from Iran.

http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2009/06/surprise-caller-w ith-news-from-iran-way.html
rafaella writes: Tuesday, June, 30, 2009 11:12 PM
Carol does mendacious
Still really got to love Carol talking of the Iranians and their "cause for freedom" as if just a few months ago she and her Rightwing cabal weren't jonesing to bomb those freedom fighters right off the map!

Ah, the smell of bitter irony in the farce called the Republican Party.
Legally Remove BO writes: Tuesday, June, 30, 2009 10:31 PM
bo shouldn't associate w/ these CROOKS
There is an ongoing criminal conspiracy among Obama supporters in Nashville to cover up crimes committed by his campaign in 2007, 2008 and 2009. These crimes include, but are not limited to, VOTER FRAUD, IDENTITY THEFT, COMPUTER THEFT, INVASION OF PRIVACY and petty BURGLARIES similar to WATERGATE.

Judge Tom w. Brothers and a Partner in Karl Dean's favorite FIRM, Bass Berry & Sims, were INDICTED once and Tom w. Brothers and Bass Berry and Sims will be INDICTED again and CONVICTED this time.

When Nashville Judge Tom w. Brothers was first INDICTED for Drug Money Laundering Karl Dean was the Public Defender FIXING Cases his Wife's FIRM, Bass, Berry & Sims.

According to an old Law School friend of mine who was working for the DEA when Tom Brothers was INDICTED for DRUG MONEY Laundering, Bass, Berry & Sims was the biggest Drug Money Laundering FIRM in the Southeast.

My DEA Agent Friend's words were similar to what Phil Williams of http://www.NewsChannel5.com wrote about Russell Brothers. According to Phil Williams, Russell Brothers was a "Giant among Giants" in the Drug Smuggling Business.

Somehow the Deans accumulated a "reported" Fortune of $100 Million despite the fact that they both grew up poor. The cover story spun by the Deans is that Ms. Dean's STINGY MISER Uncle gave her the money.

Coincidentally, the Deans' cover story was similar to Tom Brothers' cover story about where the money that he was LAUNDERING for his Convicted FELON Uncle Russell's Drug Money came from.

Tom Brothers testified at his trial that he thought, "Uncle Russell got the millions from selling insurance for CNA."
Legally Remove BO writes: Tuesday, June, 30, 2009 10:30 PM
bo's SCARED 2 DEATH of OUSTER President
of Honduras.

President of Honduras was in a much safer position than bo.
deerhunter writes: Tuesday, June, 30, 2009 10:14 PM
expected
"What's a little disappointing is that the President who wouldn't be caught "meddling" on behalf of the cause of freedom in Iran added his voice to the left-wing chorus of Chavez, Castro and Ortega."
Disappointing; but not unexpected.
The Big O admires dictators, and despises freedom.
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