Monday, September 10, 2007
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Moveon.Org Calls Petraeus "Betray Us", Says He's Cooking Books for White House - Democratic Senator Declares, "No one wants to call Petraeus a liar on national TV. Outside groups will do this for us."
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Posted by:
Hugh Hewitt at
8:37 AM
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Iraq War Veteran Pete Hegseth, the executive director of Vets for Freedom and a good friend of the Hugh Hewitt Show, has an important little piece posted on the Weekly Standard this morning. Hegseth notes that Moveon.Org has taken the rhetoric that Glenn Greenwald and Andrew Sullivan have merely danced around and made it explicit. In an advertisement in yesterday's New York Times, Moveon.Org brayed in its headline, “General Petraeus or General Betray us? Cooking the books for the White House.”
As Hegseth points out, Moveon.Org works closely with the Democratic leadership. He takes note of this quote from Friday’s Politico uttered by a courageously anonymous Democratic Senator: “No one wants to call [Petraeus] a liar on national TV. The expectation is the outside groups will do this for us.”
I KNOW, I KNOW. The modern liberal establishment just can’t understand anything that isn’t done purely for political gain. They can’t even imagine a man in David Petraeus' position being anything other than a lackey for the Bush White House, eagerly aiding the quest to bolster Halliburton’s stock price by any means necessary. A person who cares about something other than partisan politics, anything other than partisan politics, is a creature beyond their comprehension.
This is the price of Markos Moulitsas’ politics of winnerism. Markos understands the limits of publicly practicing this kind of politics, having learned a hard lesson in this regard when he made his infamous “Screw Them” comment three years ago. But his duller fellow travelers have no idea how their countrymen will perceive them. The people at Moveon.Org don’t understand how noxious the suggestion is that Petraeus would willingly and eagerly sell out the 160,000 men and women who he leads. After all, if you’re a Daily Kos diarist or a MoveOn.org director, it’s all about politics. Everything is about politics, all the time.
There’s a local TV show that I appear on. Practically every time I’m on, the host, a good egg even though a pronounced lefty even by Boston standards, asks me how Republicans are supposed to stand by this war effort and still prevail in 2008. I always respond the same way: They aren’t. In all likelihood, 2008 will be a disaster for Republicans at the ballot box. But we, the rank and file of the Republican party, expect Republicans to risk their comfortable offices in order to see the war in Iraq through to a satisfactory conclusion and to continue the war against the forces of Jihad. Let the political chips fall where they may.
Whenever I repeat this sentiment, the host and the other two guests who are usually also liberal, look at me like I have two heads. They obviously suspect some ploy is afoot. But I mean it. And so do most other Republicans. A party that won’t see this thing through isn’t worth supporting, not in political defeat and even more so not in political victory.
The Democratic Party, through its conspiracy with Moveon.Org to slander the man leading 160,000 American troops in harm’s way, has shown its true colors. Characteristically idiotic, they’ve chosen to do so at a time when the country is watching.
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Hugh adds:
I have written on the MoveOn.org ad for the Los Angeles Times and will post a link later. Here's the ad itself, destined to be one of the most infamous in American newspaper history:
Cooking the books for the White House
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I commend you for standing behind President Bush and his "main man" General Petreaus to:
"Stay the Surge Course Until Victory is WON in IRAQ!!"
Just as Mr. Medved said above Its all about:
"PRINCIPLES BEFORE POLITICS"
with him and like minded supporters of Prez Bush on Iraq.
So if your strategy of surge is working PUHLEEZZE DONT CHANGE A THING..ON WARD TO VICTORY!!!! |
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Basically due to gerrymandered districts. In our country, politicians choose the voters, rather than the other way around. Still, with all that, the distaste and genuine outrage towards Republican arrogance and stupidity is burgeoning. But you'll always have your base: that 30-35% of the electorate which are little more than authoritarian foamers (look at the ridiculous spewing on this site about some marginal left-wing group exercising its First Amendment rights). |
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Let's see, the Democrats reasoning: Accuse Petraeus of lieing on the troop surge working. So if it is not working, are the Democrats going to be calling for additional troops instead of a draw down as Petraeus has said would happen? Who would have guessed they would be in favor of having more troops or keeping the current levels instead of withdrwing them under Petraeus's lieing plans! |
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answer this...
If the American public was so against the war, why didn't the Democratic Party gain a veto-proof majority in either chamber in the last elections? |
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but we really didn't need their help...... ;-) |
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..on the fringe." Quite so. |
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How cool is this?
Dems are stuck with the images of Moveon.org, Code Pink, Cindy Sheehan, Sen. Lantos, et. al.
Republicans get General Petraeus?
Thanks for the staging Sen Harry Reed! |
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I now pray that the Pubs, the RNC, whoever is calling the communication shots at telling our public the real truth about this war on Islamofascism will get into action. It is time for the Pubs to stop being so wussy and like Hunter, start to call the Dems what they are: Benedict Arnolds.Candiates who are running for Prez, should take that shameless anti-Petraeus ad, and blast every Dem rep who has called the military, the General Staff, and the Prez a liar. It is time to really question the Dem leaders as unpatriotic. No excuses, no nuances. No negotiating with evil anymore. If Rudy or Fred or Mitt do this, they will get my vote. I want a real commander if chief not a prevaricator who blames America for the terror that has hit not only this nation but others who need support to withstand not only AL QUESDA, but Iran and the modern Democrat Party!!! Now Pubs , unite and cry out against the Alger Hisses that run a Party which FDR,Truman, JFK, Scoop Jackson and Sam Nunn would never recognize. |
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Irish Right: Thanks, I am giving the Romney boys a three day pass (g)
Anyway, the Dems can't help overplaying their hand, its in their nature. They are appeasing the wrong group, rich, white, liberals of the MoveOn bent.
I want what's best for our country. Acting as though the war is 'lost' as Sen Reid maintains will only lead to disaster, for both us and the Middle East. Already articles are appearing about the decline of the American 'empire.' Yawn. A withdrawal from Iraq with the subsequent bloodbath over there and finger pointing over here would be a disaster of huge scale.
Recall, OBL's read on us after the Somalia misadventure in 1993 was Americans are weak and turn tail when wounded. If we follow the Dems prescription we will only embolden his followers. I don't know what the Islamists understand except a punch in the nose. And now that I think of it, that's why I harp on universal military service (as duty, not a draft). Jacksonian principles to keep us strong. |
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.. around these parts, I often criticize Hugh and Dean. But I couldn't agree with Hugh more on this one.
I just sent the following to MoveOn:
As a lifelong Democrat and former MoveOn member, I am no fan of either President Bush or the Iraq war. However, your decision to run the "Betray us" ad preceding Gen. Petraeus's report to Congress was a cowardly, slanderous mistake, unhelpful to the cause of getting US troops out of Iraq. Gen. Petraeus, from all I've read of him, is a uniquely thoughtful and competent military commander. To slander him with an accusation of dishonesty and treason was not just wrong, but also stupid politically; it will further enable those on the right to paint anti-war activists as childish miscreants and lunatics on the fringe. |
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Thank you both for your service and thank you for the moving post above. |
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Can't wait for the brain dead,brain addled,brain drunk crowd of Senate Demmies tomorrow.Those hairless chested warriors ain't even gonna be a greasy spot on the Gen'rul's boots.
Back to Sensitivity Training. |
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Thank you for your thoughts... you gave me some things to chaw on through MNF. I especially like the way you broke down the thinking on Democracy, AG... that was stellar, and it made a LOT OF SENSE!
KGK, you put things so eloquently, you seemed to just box it up and put a bow on it... I thank you for that.
My husband called me twice, once in rage and once in tears, as he has been home watching the report live - and well, he's been there, was wounded there... and he was so enraged at the attacks on the general that the protesters drove him to tears that they are so stupid that they cannot see what they are really doing is ripping this country apart. I can only hope that we will continue to see through them. |
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looks like mitt romney's car before all his flip flops he made while pandering to the right wing.... i wonder if rocky anderson ever rode shot gun in that car. |
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Come on, Dean. Please no more photos of your car!
But, seriously, I love the wackadoos screaming in the hearing room. They do absolutly nothing but make the majority of the public recoil. Many may be weary of the war in the Iraq theatre in the War Against Islamofacsist Terror, but watching these lunatics makes the same war-weary people at least be willing to give The Surge a chance. And BTW, why can't we conservatives ever get things down to the bumper-sticker mentallity so we can pollute our cars like liberals do? Talk about pollution! |
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Is a traitor, not to mention a liar, a coward and a propagandist for Commies. As such, he was an excellent representative of the Democrats. No, he did not tell the truth about his fellow veterans, he admitted as such in a debate on the Dick Cavett show within the week against John O'Neil, more famous now as the senior Swiftie. No, the Swifties were not some Rep outfit, although so what if they were? Where does the truth lie? Yes, most of these men had never laid eyes on Kerry in Viet Nam, heck, the guy was there for twelve weeks. But they knew he was lying in his testimony because they were where he had been and knew such events had not taken place. Kerry is scum. Good Democrat, he. |
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You have no idea how uneasy you've made me today. You and i on the same side of an issue is really disconcerting.
It actually gives me a lot of hope that I didn't have about '08. Kind of like the old saying about brothers ... that they'll kick the crap out of each other, but woe to the outsider that jumps one of them.
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MoveOn, concerning the Democratic Party:
“Now it’s our party. We bought it, we own it, and we’re going to take it back.”
If they keep pulling stunts like this, 2008 may not be a lost cause for the GOP after all. After the anit-war left took over the Dems in 1968, they won only one presidential election until 1992,and Clinton had to act like a moderate to pull that one off. |
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General's intro today.It was after the slime brigade had mined his way.But,lo,they had no idea what was about to hittum when the General threw it back in their copperhead faces that he's not run what he was about to deliver by NO ONE AT THE WHITE HOUSE or Pentagon.If you had the volume turned up,you could hear some of the enamel being ground off some booze laden senatorial molars.
Think I'll take my own 11:40am advice and stop fretting. |
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Why is it that the public would listen to Reid, Pelosi, Rangel, Durbin, Biden and Kennedy as Commanders in chiefs or commanders in the field over our military and General Petraeus? These Lefitist traitors depend on Moveon and Kos to smear our military and supposedly stand in for a public who wants to retreat and be defeated. And yes, they are traitors. They are the Alger Hiss' and Benedict Arnolds of our time. They have been undermining our military and rooting for our enemies ever since 1950 and frankly, it is time for the public to wake up and renounce these bums. That lefty posters can smugly laugh at our military, call Bush a liar, and demand defeat, is disgusting and they are shameless, shameful and no one with an ounce of integrity should even respond to their treachery. |
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A Democrat Senator uses the Moveon, Kos radical, anti-American traitors to smear not only Bush but our military. Gen. Petraeus gives his report and Tom Lantos calls him a liar. Duncan Hunter blasts Lantos for this smear. The Democrat Quislings and Hissites are a wonder. Here we have reps. like Lantos, Jackson-Lee, Biden, Leahy, Feinstein as Commanders in Chiefs and commanders in the field. No wonder that FDR would have locked these bums up for treason on WWII. He at least listened to the generals not his own party or the Pub isolationists. It is not Petreaus that lied, it is the entire liberal establishment who has been doing that for 40 years in trying to undermine the American culture , military, and foreign policy. |
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What's going to happen WHEN you and your fellow LibDems end up taking ownership of the GWOT/Iraq War on 1/20/09? Are you going to hold true to your previous statements and push for immediate withdrawal?
Or are you going to approvingly smile behind gritted teeth when your president announces that she will continue President Bush's GWOT/Iraq War policy with only cosmetic "changes?"
Sooner or later, your side is going to have to put on the Big Boy pants and take ownership. And you'll have to do that while those of us who support the GWOT/Iraq War will find it, shall we say, a little more optional to support it:) |
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Does giving up further the progress of any war?
You are a certainly a verbal warrior, Brian. But what victory are you seeking?
Is it a pull-out of Allied troops from Iraq?
Or is it that you feel actual compassion for the troops and don't want to see any more die?
Well, before you protest their involvement in the war, why don't you talk to the troops and ask them whether your sabotaging orientation is helping or hurting them?
Before (and even during WWII) there were American voices who said that we should try to get along with the Fascists. What you don't seem to understand is that although the vast majority of Americans have been disillusioned about the progress in Iraq, they are still strongly behind the concept and will continue to send their sons into that region for as long as it takes to neutralize the threat that the Islamofascists pose to freedom-loving people of the earth. |
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After the bloviating by the Congressmen, General Petraeus' microphone is not working - now we have a General who can't speak and a Congress that will not listen.
The best thing is getting the MoveON add out there; the Dems can't help themselves, first they support the troops but not the war, then the attack the General who runs it, next they will be calling the grunts 'babykillers' like Kerry.
This is why they can't be trusted with national security. Its good they remind us just who they are in such a crassmanner. |
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The really funny part, the dem's are smearing Petraeus for being there to may this report that Congress said HE MUST DO!
Odd how they forgot that too! |
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I wasn't talking about you in particular, but if the shoe fits . . .
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The little worms might be finding themselves in a bit of a fiddle,eh? Yep,they approved General Petraeus nicely.Make the Move.0n sliming better contextually,I'd reckon.
AZ: You GO,Girl!Taketh NO prisoners. |
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Where would we be if you'd been able to vote on whether Washington should cross the Delaware? I get the sense that you would have voted for a pull-out of the troops.
I mean, the situation that desperate winter appeared hopeless, so you would certainly have been "safe" in voting to send our Revolutionary Army to the British firing squads (or whatever) and then eagerly welcoming British troops back into your home to share your hearth and home.
Brian, there will always be immature thinkers in every culture. ...People who fail to appreciate the lessons of history and the lessons we MUST convey not only to our children, but whenever possible to the rest of the world. |
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Congresswoman Ros Lentinen of FL just held up the General Betrayus ad for the cameras at the Petraeus hearing. Too bad the Dems have no sense of shame.
Good for her. |
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Did you forget. You guys voted for Petraeus.
If you thought was is a liar, then why did you put him in charge???
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You go, Az girl.
No you don't have to be in a democracy to give judgment. But even in a democracy, emotional reaction is not the key. Preparation and measured response is. Something happened between 2005 and now according to the polls. Huh, 1) that would be Zarqawi's mass bombing of mosques and streets (uhh,the "non-existent AQ who are being winnowed by the 100s each month) and 2) and Mr. Ahmadenijad's election in Iran - leading to funding Moqtada and direct Quds actions. Yes we blew the response. But counter-insurgency can still work to move towards the right end.
AZ girl, here's another comparison
Just in, a long lost ABC/BBC poll in July 1944 reveals the D-Day surge is not working. "At a critical juncture, the French are not very hopeful of change. They remain deeply divided between Vichy and Resistance with most not wanting to put any trust in any French government. 'Who can trust these Brits and Yanks while they blow up our cities and ravage our lands and coasts. Hasn't DeGaulle just become their front man just like the Nazis have the Vichy'"
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Iraqi's aren't children. But no Islamic nation in the Middle East has enjoyed (wow... is this ever enjoyable) the benefits of the American experiment with Democracy.
But this area of the world is thirsty for democracy, and so is China. Just look at the way the internet is making inroads into these countries. Sooner rather than later, advancements in information technology is going to democratize Iraq, Iran, North Korea, and Red China perhaps long before troops can.
Remember the purple fingers held proudly into the air after the Iraqis got to vote honestly for the first time in their lives?
Do the "feelings" of 5-year-olds count for anything? Of course they do. But rarely do inexperienced people of any age understand their potential as well as do those who have "been there before".
Should 5-year-old soccer players coach themselves? Should a 5-year-old coach his T-ball baseball team? Or does experience still count in this world?
My son's Little League Baseball coach is a former Army tank commander, and believe me, he is helping my son and every other player on our team to become all he can be. |
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How stupid do you have to be? Seriously. How stupid are you?
No one believes Saddam Hussein attacked the U.S. on 9-11. Now that you've been informed, I'm sure you'll stop mentioning this nonsense.
The nauseating thing about you and your kind is that you're so dull and predictable. You're like a little child trying to converse with a group of adults. You have nothing of any value to bring to the conversation, so you spout utter incoherent crap. We adults just smile and roll our eyes...if you were around we'd pat you on the head and ask you to play outside with the other children. |
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Brian, I'm sorry. Of course in a true democracy, every vote should count. The experience level, education, and of course the maturity or immaturity of the one casting the vote shouldn't matter.
If there are two parents in a household and 6 kids from 3-10, you're absolutely right that the kids' vote should count as much as the parents'. |
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The real funny part you libs. The DEM's voted for Petraeus. Now they smear him? |
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roc ingersol writes: Monday, September, 10, 2007 10:51 AM
illogical comparisons
You mean the adolescent senior, richard 223 can post something besides Mitt Romney's kids are draft dodgers. Color me suprised.
"A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds"
Adolsecent senior, that's the nicest thing anyone here has about me!
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The Smear on the General is on its way. The Smear and the General's report will have only the smallest impact in the area of public opinion: minds have generally been made up. The endless shell game of the left will continue, where gripes about lack of military improvement will move to lack of political progress gripes, which will move to lack of adequate national police gripes, which will will move to lack of perfection gripes on any number of other issues.
Even if there is a small blip "for" the war, not four or six weeks will go by when the blip disappears under the drumbeat of defeat. I'm afraid many have simply lost their resolve to stick anything through. A society that thinks in surprisingly large numbers that its own government caused 9-11 is incredibly decadent and corroded. Given that large numbers of people believe such an atrocious conspiracy, why does it surprise anyone that people are now alleging a conspiracy over the General and his report? It's a given. |
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Is this the yappie little yorkie that washed out of Air Force boot camp???? HaHAHAHAHAHAHAha Air Force Boot Camp - my 90 year old grandmother could graduate Air Force Boot Camp. Dude you are a coward!
C'Ya
B |
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Is it OK to question their patriotism now? |
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Your post giving links to the BBC/ABC poll released today was pretty hard for me to read.
http://www.jta.org/cgi-bin/iowa/breaking/103795.html
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6986993.stm
There's a similar BBC/ABC poll from March, 2007 that you didn't mention, but it's basically the same:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6451841.stm
It will probably take someone more knowledgeable than me to shoot any holes in those polls (if possible).
I had to think for a while before I realized that shooting holes in a poll of Iraqi opinions about the democratization of the Middle East isn't the issue.
If you had taken polls of the citizenry during the American Revolutionary War (when representative democracy was still a pipe dream), I'm not sure that the polls would have been any better.
The best analogy I can come up with for what we are doing in Iraq is that we are the ones with more experience with democracy (we are the parents) and the Iraqis have very limited experience with how well it can work (they are the children).
If when I was a child you had "polled" me on how well my parents' "surge" was working, I would have complained endlessly. But here I am today, conveying to future generations the sometimes harsh lessons that parents must help their children understand, eventually appreciate, and teach others around them. |
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and Enabler of 20th Century Monsters is BAAAAAACK.
He's 'given up on Demmies' and wants the Repubs to 'have 8 more years'! Damn,Kids,I find myself in
(partial)agreement with a Leninist-Maoist.Albeit not for the same resons or purposes.You know,like American Victory against Jihadist Scum Worldwide. |
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We do not care what you Marxists think, go tell woes to you Jihadist commrades.........Bin Laden just released that new ad for the Edwards campaign! |
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The Swift Boat ads simply used John Kerry's own words and actions against him. The American people are not duped or stupid as you Leftists constantly contend they are. i.e. Hillary duped by Presdent Bush about Iraq, John Edwards duped to vote for Iraq by lust of power, Joe Biden duped, uh, no, he just is a dupe!
I hope the Dems go after Gen Petreaus it will make terrific ads in the 2008 Presidential campaigns!!! |
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Fox got the first interview and is crowing about it, but the General and Crocker will be meeting with numerous newspeople - including at least 2 major news anchors (on top of his delightful stroll through pacified Anbar with Katie Couric last week). You'll have plenty of opportunity to come down with Petraeus-in-the-media fatigue before the week is over.
Now, all together: "Never mind!"
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What are the lies that the Swift Boat Vets told?
You admit in your comment that Kerry was a liar. What did the Swift Boat Vets lie about?
Of course the Swift Boaters took cash from the Republican Party. I'm proud to say that as an individual citizen, I used my credit card to donate to their website. And Thank God for everyone who took the time to do so.
I wasn't aware that every Swift Boat Veteran who was outraged by Kerry's behavior and lies had claimed to have served with Kerry. That would have been one crowded swift boat.
Kerry has always had a very aggressive personality and didn't seem to have any social anxiety about testifying in congress during the Vietnam War, or speaking out against the war crimes our soldiers in Iraq are carrying out every day in the dark of night.
Exactly how is Kerry weak when it comes to shooting his mouth off? Or do you mean that he should have released his military records so that they could prove that his story was true whereas all the Swift Boaters who came forward in disgust were engaged in a conspiracy to defame a true hero (did you know he served in Vietnam)? |
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The same folks who think we're going to discover a huge pile of WMD in Iraq any day now ("Its a big country!"), the people who still believe Saddam was responsible for 9/11...
You're the ones who think the surge is working, aren't you?
I knew it! |
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Game (war) is not over, Dems don't have the votes for it to be stopped, it doesn't matter how long you day dream about it or what slanted polls you quote! The pollsters told us over and over and over that John Kerry would be President.
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truly sane,balanced,believable and unshakeable. Which is an accurate reading of the man.The pygmies will do their own good job of making themselves look small,petty,rancid,mean spirited,desperate and dishonest.After seeing the man at work,I say let the moral dwarves scream all they want. Maybe,the more the better! |
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TOO! Mika Brezinski or whatever her name is on MSNBC did it three times this morning, stupid witch that she is. She needs to take her liberal self back to wherever she appeared from and go AWAY! She's awful. But MSNBC is pandering to the left these days under the direction of Dan Abrams anyways. What a way to FORCE us to choose Fox News. :( :( :( Between that and the rebroadcasting of the entire Today show from 9/11/01, they lost me permanently. I shall no longer watch network news, on any propaganda channel. |
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And that "more neutral network than Fox" would be....?
Every media outlet in the world is going to cover the Petraeus interview and cherry-pick what they discuss based upon the agendas of their individual orientations. If there is a "more neutral network than Fox" out there, I'd like to hear about it.
Journalism today is rarely "neutral" or "objective". The conservative talk show hosts honestly announce that they are not objective journalists... they are opinionated commentators on the news of the day. Fox doesn't claim to be "neutral", either. All they do is try to be "fair and balanced".
In these days when the MSM (and our entire culture) is dominated by the Left, it's no wonder that Fox sticks in their craw so much. |
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The news network that the Dems fear - it will get ratings and the other nets will scream foul - but they have only recently acknowledged that there is any progress in Iraq - now they want equal access to a man leading the fight after they have maligned the troops and its leaders and called them (at best) ineffective? The Defeatacrats want you to believe we cannot win, but with the right strategy and right amount of troops, we can win.
As far as Moveon attacking Patreaus? Bring it on - it will only make the far left look puerile. In order to SwiftBoat Patreaus, you have to have ammunition - Moveon is lobbing duds that will only stick with the "Don't attack until a major city has been incinerated" crowd. |
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amazed that the move.on Leninists didn't wait a hair longer to launch their hate Petreaus campaign.But,I'm very young and naive in these 'screw America' ways.The General,I believe,will be just fine handling the nit wits of the House and Senate seditionists.The man is brilliant,something congress doesn't suffer from.
To march out the morally oblivious chorus before his report is amazing,but I guess SOP. I suspect the General and the mission will look mighty fine at the end of the week.Americans will see his sanity and the shreiking insanity of the Schumers and Kennedys.They'll come to the right conclusions. |
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That bastion of journalistic ethics and standards speaks! http://www.tnr.com/blog/theplank TNR is taking a different tack, saying attacking General Petraeus by MoveOn.org is counter productive to the goal (getting the U.S. out of Iraq).
TNR is probably right (at least on MoveOn.org's strategy backfiring). Still reading the Plank raises an interesting question. . .
when is the New Republic going to give us a report on the Scott Thomas Beauchamp investigation? |
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Then don't do any talk shows. Just do Congress and then head back to Iraq. Doing FoxNews alone just feeds the lefty hype.
Frankly there is a middle ground. Do FoxNews, Meet the Press, CBS News, and Charlie Rose. All those interviews could be done in one day. While MTP and Charlie Rose lean liberal they are generally fair. I would throw CBS into the mix only because Katie Couric started to see the light after her recent visit to Iraq. General Petraeus really needs to get his message to the folks who are not automatically hostile to him but are not closely following progress in Iraq.
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Brian, which "more neutral network than Fox" did you have in mind?
Bits and pieces of the Patraeus interview will be cherry-picked by all the media outlets to suit their individual agendas. Watching how each outlet spins what he says will probably tell us more about journalistic neutrality than any opinion we commentors might offer here. |
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I heard on the radio that Sen. Joseph Biden said that General Petraeus is "flat out wrong." |
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You mean the adolescent senior, richard 223 can post something besides Mitt Romney's kids are draft dodgers. Color me suprised.
Anyway, Ms Lilly has once again proven that libs are born without the gene that allows for logical comparisons. |
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Again the Left and the leftist leaning liberals, before hearing anything General Petraeus reports, tries for a preemptive ad hominem attack on his character, which most everyone months ago declared as impeccable -- until General Petraeus started producing observable, positive results in Iraq.
There really are no words to say beyond what Dean and Hugh have already said. These ad hominem attacks are disgusting and yes, traitorous. The Left never wants to be called unpatriotic. I wonder is there any level, any threshhold, to anyone's rhetoric that they would ever agree could be called unpatriotic. If these attacks on a man who served his country so honorably for over 30 years are not included, then nothing is. |
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Joe, do you really want General Petraeus to spend his days saying the same things in every media outlet? If so, then I hope that eventually he will find some time (maybe Friday of next week) to get back to the business of killing terrorists.
Petraeus was required to prepare a report that will be delivered to the nation by Bush. If Petraeus is required by law to go on any talk show, I haven't seen that requirement. |
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When I wrote the post to Richard_223 I thought that my first post was not going to be shown, hence the redundancies in the 2nd post. |
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Thanks for posting that statement of Kerry. He never offered a shred of evidence to support his accusations, even though he was repeatedly challenged to do so. IMO the reason he never did was because he was lying, he knew he was lying and if he mentioned one name he would be hit with the mother of all lawsuits and his political career would have never been born. (That's the only time I would support abortion).
It is a reasonable statement to make that those whose lives were most directly affected by kerry's testimony should have their chances to answer his accusations and to state how his testimony made their already miserable lives almost infinitely worse - they were in North Vietnamese prison camps at the time. If you want to see that there is a documentary entitled "Stolen Honor - Wounds that will not heal."
Making such accusations without a shred of proof and thereby besmirching the lives and reputations of others reminds me of Joseph McCarthy. |
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General Petraeus should be making and defending his points will all comers, not just Brit Hume. I have seen the General go on Charlie Rose and other shows. He can totally hold his own (if you can't face down liberals in the media, how can you take on al Qaeda?).
General Petraeus is right and honorable. His hearts and minds message is just starting to work in Iraq, we should trust it to work at home. |
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The Swifties have not been discredited. They were THERE at the sites where john-boy won his medals. He holds 3 Purple Hearts and not ONE of them was serious enough to warrant hospitalization. One of them required a band-aid. And the day after he got his third PH he applied for transfer out of the war-zone. Some hero.
I suggest that you all see a documentary entitled "Stolen Honor - Wounds That Will Not Heal."
In his testimony before the Fulbright Committee John Kerry accused his fellow servicemen of war crimes. The documentary mentioned shows him making those accusations, and then it moves to highlight American fighting men who were in North Vitnamese prison camps at the time. It focuses on the effect that Kerry's testimony had on their lives.
If he makes such accusations he should provide specifics - who what when where. He never did, even though he was repeatedly challenged. Making grandiose accusations about people and NEVER BACKING THEM UP WITH SPECIFICS is an awful lot like Joseph McCarthy.
One other thing - if that ad is the real thing then I have to conclude that moron, rather moveon, has really lost their marbles. They have really overplayed their hand. |
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I would guess that no one with any intelligence gives a rotting fig about anybody's credibility with you.
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'They told the stories at times they had personally raped, cut off ears, cut off heads, tape wires from portable telephones to human genitals and turned up the power, cut off limbs, blown up bodies, randomly shot at civilians, razed villages in fashion reminiscent of Genghis Khan, shot cattle and dogs for fun, poisoned food stocks, and generally ravaged the country side of South Vietnam in addition to the normal ravage of war, and the normal and very particular ravaging which is done by the applied bombing power of this country.'
All without offering a shred of evidence.This is the substance of betrayal. Anyone who conflates this with Gen Petreaus is beyond the pale.
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Anyone know of web site that lists what Dem politicians take MoveOn money? |
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While I'm being a little hard on Dean WRT to his comments, I sense that Dean has come to the same conclusion that I've come to: That there's going to be a change of ownership on the GWOT/Iraq War. That means that the Dems are going to have to put on the Big Boy pants and properly lead this war. This also means that the Dems are going to ask folks like me and Dean to salute everything they run up the flagpole WRT the GWOT/Iraq War.
Even in the likelihood that the Dems will keep a military presence in Iraq (which will happen for at least the next 25 years!), methinks the Right will show the Left how the "Support the Troops but not support the Mission" gets done! |
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Lilly, are you suggesting that because the Swift Boat Vets told disgusting truths about Kerry, Libs are now free to make up revolting lies about Petraeus?
If you Google "surge working" or similar words, you can find articles dating back to at least February listing the evidence that it's been very effective. Even Lib reporters and Little Katie Couric have been impressed... but we all know that Couric is a Bush lackey. |
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They said Kerry had inflated his battle experience -- which he did -- and then betrayed former comrades by calling them murderers and torturers, which he also did. He still, by the way, has released records which would show whether he was dishonorably discharged. Anyhow, that was decades after the event, not while a war in doubt continues to rage. The only way you can describe the Moveon.org fanatics (bankrolled by a foreign-born billionaire) and their useful idiots in Congress is as a Fifth Column. |
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Isn't the Whitehouse playing into this by directing Petraeus to an exclusive Brit Hume interview on Fox? Shouldn't General Petraeus be appearing on all the networks and major cable channels?
I personally trust General Petraeus and believe he is making some progress. Heck, even Katie Couric recognized it. The drive by media may not be fair, but slectively funneling General Patreaus seems counter productive. |
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If Drudge is right and Petraeus is indeed going to give his only exclusive inteview to Fox "News" then he has zero credibility with me. |
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A party that won't see this war through does not deserve support.
A party that does won't receive support.
Bit of a pickle you got there, boys. |
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You expect elected GOP officials to do your promotional dirty work for you. Say what you will about MoveOn.Org, and it's all true, at least they and the Dems understand their proper roles in the political game.
Yes, the GOP will lose in '08 (not as much as you think they will, though), and people like you will truly deserve it. |
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If it was OK-fine for the Swift Boat Veterans (an "outside organization") to call John Kerry a traitor on behalf of George W Bush, then it's equally fine for moveon.org to accuse Petraeus of cooking the books for Bush. Right now Petraeus is looking a lot like Gonzales II. Every single extra-Bush organization has said Iraq is looking terrible---and this includes many retired US generals.
When every bit of information questioning or criticizing a sitting government is called "lies" and every bit of information supporting a sitting government is called "truth", democracy is in trouble. |
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