...in this country?
John McCain has all the backbone of a steaming pile.....
When you run your whole campaign on trying to not offend, it's only a matter of time before it blows up in your face.....
He's just drifting with the politically correct tide as provided by the politically correct press....just like Bill Clinton.....
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I don't believe there was a need to reject the Hagee endorsement, since:
1) Hagee HAS APOLOGIZED, and the apology has been warmly recieved by the Catholic League
2) McCain is NOT A MEMBER of Hagee's church
This is short sighted of McCain. Why doesn't he just state the points above, and add that where he agrees with Hagee is support for Israel?
But since he has, will the media also hold Obama's feet to the fire on Wright, since:
1) Wright WILL NOT APOLOGIZE
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But this Hagee guy called my religion "The Great Whore". Yeah, I know he apologized, but it was a little late. Preachers going around trashing other religions - or determined secularists trashing conservative Christians - if offensive. Why not just back off and not do it?
Maybe if some of these specific ministers stopped declaring who is and who isn't going to hell it would be better.
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I'm mormon. You have any idea what we go through ALL YEAR - EVERY YEAR?
And you whine over one political season of "attacks"...
heh
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To say Hagee was sliming the Catholic Church is mis-informed. When said "the great whore", he was referencing the book of Revelation. It was not even aimed at the modern Catholic church.
His criticism had to do with the early church and it's behavior during the crusades. That's something worth criticizing, right?
It was taken out of context, blown out of proportion, and mis-applied by people trying to get back at McCain over Wright -- namely, the media.
Hagee wouldn't be meeting with the Catholic League at all if he wasn't sincere.
As for McCain, he should know all this. But since he's caved, hopefully the media will move on, and quit wasting time with this. Maybe it was smart to do after all. Now we can focus on larger issues -- pathetic, waste-your-time media willing. |
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For if you forgive men when they sin against you, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. But if you do not forgive men their sins, your Father will not forgive your sins. |
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[His criticism had to do with the early church and it's behavior during the crusades. That's something worth criticizing, right?]
No. There is a school of theology within Protestant Christianity that views the book of Revelation as prophesy that has yet to be fulfilled and believes that a one-world religion/economic system will arise dubbed the whore of Babylon, who will be judged and downcast in a day.
Some in this school believe that the Catholic church will fulfill the religious component of that.
(Of course, why someone who held those views wouldn't be a tad uncomfortable with the current state of affairs where we control the physical Babylon and hold the world's currency, is another question.) |
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"Give me a break...
I'm mormon. You have any idea what we go through ALL YEAR - EVERY YEAR?
And you whine over one political season of "attacks"...heh
Buck up."
Yup, the sign of a cult, the feeling that everyone is "persecuting" you...
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It looks like pure political posturing at this point, and makes McCain look really bad.
Honestly, the people objecting to Hagee, like the people objecting to Wright, aren't going to cross the aisle and vote for their political opponent just because they got him to jump through the requisite penitance hoops. |
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this guy might be a commander and chief?? |
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Hagee's endorsement should have been repudiated five minutes after they found out what a raving loon the guy was. From saying God was punishing the New Orleans to calling the Catholic Church the whore of Babylon, what is it about religious types that they have to say these absolutely nutty things? |
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In any event...
It looks like pure political posturing at this point, and makes McCain look really bad.
Honestly, the people objecting to Hagee, like the people objecting to Wright, aren't going to cross the aisle and vote for their political opponent just because they got him to jump through the requisite penitance hoops."
NO, the people objecting won't, but sensible people on the street who are put off by such remarks might.
McCain never should have taken this guy's endorsement. I think he was just so happy to have any evangelical give him the time of day, he didn't bother to vett the guy.
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Tell us if McCain is guilty of bigotry attacking anyone's faith?
Not at all. He repudiated one preacher who fancies himself an evangelist. Without mentioning a sect or denomination. Endorsements from Hagee are from the very devil, IMHO.
When Hagee said his piece it was directed squarely at the Church of Christ's holy apostles. McCain sees that as an injustice. He didn't spare the minister, but he respects everybody's faith.
For way too long in America these GOONS have gotten the free pass to denigrate the Catholic Church. Hagee should ask God's forgiveness and get another job. |
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He apologized if is comments offended you. He didn't that is not an apology. As a Catholic myself, I find his mindset dangerously ignorant. He is the white version of Jeremiah Wright. My only question to McCain is: "What took you so long?" |
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This is nut's what are we doing this for? This kind of thing is a mere distarction from what we really need in the U.S.A. Cheap Energy. WE THE PEOPLE need to drill drill drill and we need to gasify coal. Yes COAL not as bad as the lib's say.
Enough of this cow-tialing to the media. Who are the media anyway? They tell us what think but does anyone really know who tell them what to say!! |
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"...While we cannot control the Left's attempts to mischaracterize Hagee and McCain.."
OMG..you mean to tell me one party mischaracterize's the other party's position? When did this happen?..I can never recall the Reps doing it to the Dems or vice versa..never ever..Is this a new thing on politics?
Remove your mouth from Rush's teet (or other parts even)..i know that cuts you off from GOP juice for the day and go into withdrawal..but wake up man..if its between McCain, Hagee and the media reporting it, explain that angle instead of some nonsensical conspiracy. |
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Under the bus is exactly where people like Hagee belong.
Note to the bus driver: put it in reverse and drive over him again; then put it in drive and run over him again; repeat endlessly. |
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I'm not looking for rebuke. I'm offering some opinion, seeking some information, and offering some information too.
My opinion is that comparing the Obama-Wright relationship to the McCain-Hagee relationship is like comparing a 55-gallon drum to a thimble. There's no comparison. Obama is tied to the hip to Wright--forever. Obama demonstrated the most calculating form of cowardice, staying quiet in the face of Wright's views, allowing Wright to go unquestioned for years as he abused his pulpit, all for the purpose of retaining a constituency.
Regarding Hagee, does anyone have a reliable link to his comments regarding the Catholic church? I'm not stating it as fact, but I read where these comments were taken out of context. I want to judge for myself. That said, I agree that Hagee issued one of those non-apology apologies to the Catholic Church. Obama issued those often during March and April regarding Wright.
Why drop Hagee now? Evidently, someone dug up some very incendiary remarks in which it appears that he characterized Hitler as an instrument of God in prosecuting the Final Solution. I've only heard the proverbial "snippet." Anyway, that's why McCain dumped him. I think it's time to stop seeking religious endorsements.
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cult
–noun
1. a particular system of religious worship, esp. with reference to its rites and ceremonies.
2. an instance of great veneration of a person, ideal, or thing, esp. as manifested by a body of admirers: the physical fitness cult.
3. the object of such devotion.
4. a group or sect bound together by veneration of the same thing, person, ideal, etc.
5. Sociology. a group having a sacred ideology and a set of rites centering around their sacred symbols.
Yup, Mormonism is a cult, but so is Christianity. |
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I don't agree with Hagee or McCain. As an Evangelical I disagree with many of Hagee's views. But from what I have seen, let someone write a book about something and they will defend it and promote it in an obsessed way.
If Hagee was being true to being a social conservative he would not have endorsed McCain. This is almost as bad a Pat Roberts endorsing Guiliani.
Most evangelicals endorsed Mike Huckabee.
Now, Huckabee too has made the mistake of endorsing McCain. Perhaps that was mainly to try for the VP slot.
Now it looks like McCain's VP will be either Jindal, Crist or Romney. I think it will not be Jindal and that is good because this could ruin him. Therefore I think it will be Crist or Romney. I think it will be Crist but if it is Romney atleast we will like see both McCain and Romney face a crushing defeat together.
McCain hasn't won my vote and probably will not. Obama or Hillary will never get my vote. Barr will not get my vote.
Is there any true social conservative anywhere??
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This is not about throwing Hagee under a bus, this is about freeing the GOP to go after Wright and Obama. Hagee is voluntarily distancing himself from McCain specifically because he recognizes this.
As far as Hagee's actual comments, while I recognize where he is coming from (as a result of Hitler and the Holocaust, we did get the State of Israel)--to suggest Hitler and the Holocaust was part of God's AFFIRMATIVE plan to re-establish the State of Israel is offensive to many people. Now I do not think Hagee, meant it that way but it comes off as if the death of six million Jews was just a minor footnote to the end times. I always take preachers of any faith who portend to know the mind of God and his plans for us based on historical facts.
Of course if Ahmadinejad ever gets his way with nuclear weapons, the death toll from that could make WWII as a whole seem like a minor footnote of history.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uViQ0hVV57Q
Hagee concerns himself foremost with Israel and Jews. What is wrong with that? He clearly states that the cup is full of the blood of Jews. He is talking about ALL those who have persecuted Jews. He's talking about ALL church systems that get it wrong. This is his opinion. What is the beef?
I think Hagee is a fine man of God. I don't agree with some of his theology due to disagreement over scripture. He is not a crackpot.
The real story is: Hagee should not have gotten secular and endorsed McCain and McCain is a jerk. Oh yeah, I've already said that before.
Let's take bets on where McCain will stop. I say he'll eventually switch parties by Sept so he can get all the votes. |
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Evangelicals are not protestants. Protestants are broken off from Catholicism. Evangelicals are further down the line. |
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Hagee also points out that Martin Luther encouraged getting rid of and mistreating Jews. He thought they were lowlifes. I guess Hagee is bashing Lutherans? |
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There are Evangelical Catholics too. I have met them, are they Protestants, Roman Catholics, or Evangelicals? If it something like Jews for Jesus who would perhaps better be called Christians who like to also practice Jewish law and maintain a Jewish identity?
It is too complicated for me to figure out.
But I know politically Hagee has said things outside the mainstream. I am no fan of his religious views, I disagree with them, but I have nothing against Hagee personally. Say what you will about Hagee, but he is a strident supporter of Israel and the Israeli people (and Jeremiah Wright is a strident supporter of Hamas and the Palestinians). Which side would most of us rather be on? I respect Hagee's right to believe what he wants and I do believe his so called offensive statements have been taken out of context.
I personally find Jeremiah Wright far more offensive with his "God Damn America" and chickens coming home to roost comments. Unlike John Hagee who has explained his more controversial comments and appologized for offending Catholics (pointing out he never meant to do so), Wright has not appologized for anything. Wright stands fast and means everything he says. And there is a big distinction of Obama sitting in Wright's church for twenty years and McCain getting an endorsement from Hagee. |
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where did that come from.
here is the definition
. A member of a Western Christian church whose faith and practice are founded on the principles of the Reformation, especially in the acceptance of the Bible as the sole source of revelation, in justification by faith alone, and in the universal priesthood of all the believers.
ask any evangelical minister if they are protestant and they will answer affirmative.
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I can't keep 'em all straight either:) There are Messianic Jews who are different than Jews for Jesus. Catholic missionaries are "evangelical" if that helps. Evangelical usually means sharing the good news but not belonging to a mother church. Very complicated this organized religion thing. That is why it is useless to try to dog some one else's organized Church. Except the Amish - Oooooooh I hate the Amish! (just kidding, who hates the Amish?) |
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It would help your cause if you were consistent in your arguments. See, I usually see if my opinion or argument applies to MY side or MY guys BEFORE I put it out there. I don't hand ammo to my opponents and then expect them to take me seriously.
I don't know if it is universal with Dem/libs but you never seem to think it through and you definitely don't try to see it through normal people's eyes. Cons CAN see what you Dem/libs want and we don't like it but we understand it.
Try this strategy out and see if it helps.
I couldn't watch any longer and not try to help you out. It's like seeing a dog that's been hit on a busy freeway. One has to go rescue the poor thing. |
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I think Pastor Hagee is a crackpot. According to him since i don,t believe how he does on the book of Revelation and don,t hold to his views on Israel then i am doomed to hell. Even though i do hold to the Trinity and believe in the Lord Jesus. I trust in the Lord Jesus alone my redeemer.
I do think that Hank Hanagraaff is right.
Ever see Pastor Hagee on you tube? |
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Is hycrisy a word? Does it mean "I am stupid" in liberalspeak? |
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Have you been baptized? Fully submerged, dunked or sprinkled? Are we saved through grace alone or do we HAVE to do works? Do you stay in the vine or do you go about your own way? Do you speak in tongues? Does your service play instruments? Do you fast? Do you tithe? Do you pray before each huge decision? Does your church have a crucifix, a cross, or no icons or symbols? Do you drink wine or grape juice? Should babies be baptized? Can others take communion if they are not of your particular faith? Do you take communion? Should we participate in the world or try to stay strictly biblical? Is the bible literal or is it full of stories that get the point across? Is there a Devil? Is there a Hell? There is more.
Lots of things to disagree on. It does not make us crackpots.
I do agree that some televangelists ARE misleading the flock and they ARE false prophets and hustlers. They will get theirs in the end. |
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McCain not only should have thrown Hagee under the bus, but should have rolled back over a few times. Anything to get this preacher to understand that his words are not just blather.
I also can't stand these rightwingers constant defense of Hagee. If they would criticize him a little bit maybe he wouldn't say such stupid things.
The fact is that Hagee, like Jeremiah Wright lives in a world where noone questions the unending stupid comments they make. It makes them move further and further into lala land. That is the criticism of Obama. Not that he was a member of the church. It is that he never responded to Wright's insanity.
At least McCain laid it out on the line early. Such comments shall not be defended. Maybe the member of Hagee's church could also benefit by challenging their preacher once in a while.
Anyway, if I was Hagee I would just issue a blanket apology for this stuff. Go forward and sin no more. |
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"The catholic comments were
offensive, but no comments on his biblical interpretation that the holocaust was God's will?"
Since Hagee believes that God is all powerful, knows everything (past, future, present), and could change events if God wished to, then you could make the argument that everything that happens to the most selfless act of kindness to the most eggregious crime is part of God's overall plan. Hagee makes the leap that as bad as the Holocaust was, it resulted in the creation of the State of Israel (which he strongly supports) and that God was opposed he could have stopped it if he wished.
It has a logic. Nevertheless, I do not care for that type of thinking because it is fatalistic, in a way too simplistic, and taken to extremes negates free will (and then we go down the whole elect/predesintation road). Just like Muslims saying Inshallah (God Willing) to justify anything and everything. Just because God allows bad things to happen does not mean bad things are sanctioned by God. |
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He sucks up to everyone he doesn't know too well. Then when the Dem/libs squeal he dumps them. What a backstabbing jerk. Oh, wait, I've said that before... |
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Hagee is a nut, McCain should've never sought his endorsement in the first place. This is a guy who implied that Hitler was doing God's bidding in exterminating the Jews as an incentive to get them to immigrate to Israel.
Add in his comments about the Catholic church and you have someone who has no place near a political candidate.
I don't care if what he's saying is his interpretation of scripture- there's no excuse for that kind of rhetoric. I'm no fan of McCain, but kudos to him for doing the right thing here. |
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People, freakin grow up and look past your brainwashed rhetoric of complete and utter loyaltty to these completely politically-driven non-gospel preaching people who have the nerev to even associate themselves with my religion. It's sickeneing to see so many people looking for guidance on their spiritual path, one made of peace, compassion, complete and unconditional love, and being led on to get wrapped up in false messages this guy is preaching every week. I mean, he didn't even preach the gospel in his sermon. He only used two or 3 completely OLD TESTAMENT quotes that were taken out of context and based his assertion on a completely open-ended and biased assumption or personal interpretation to relate any part of Christianity to the completely unrelated Holocaust. Hagee is only breeding hate, and doing it in a way that is that makes him the ocmplete enemy of any Christian. He does nothing but personally distort the beautiful beliefs and teachings of Christ to fit his personal message he wants to get out poltiically, which is of course based on ignorance and utter stupidity. Congrats Haggee, you are officialyl the person most ignorant of Christianity in the world and do not even realize how distorted your beliefs are. I;ll honestly pray for your soul pastor, for you surely are lost from the straightforward path. |
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I guess they're all nuts. Ah well. To each his own. |
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Ever hear of Pharoah? Judas Iscariot? They were used by God to do some bad things. It happens. I'm not saying I agree with Hagee but calling people "nuts" when they are using the old and new testaments in a reasonable manner is not fair. That's what I'm saying. Some "ministers" are nuts. Don't paint all of them with the same brush. |
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Are people actually sticking up for Hagee in this thread? Absolutely ridiculous. The guy is a nutjob. It's just further proof that there are some wingnuts out there who would criticize McCain for just about anything and everything he does. |
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If Hagee was asked whether he knew why the Jews refer to the Holocaust as the Shoah he would know the answer? The difference is what makes his way of thinking so ignorant and offensive. |
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This story is a year and a half old, which means that McCain and his right-wing Jewish allies have known about Hagee's affection for Hitler for quite a while. It's interesting that it only became an issue now, and that McCain only became "offended" when he could be seen to be offended. |
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I think it is important to not leave it hanging out there. There is a world of difference between "holocaust" and "shoah".
Holocaust is derived from a Greek word that means "burnt offering". To call Hitler's attempt at the Final Solution a holocaust suggests that there was it somehow served a higher purpose.
Shoah, on the other hand, is an act of pure evil. There is nothing more to say about it.
Hagee's comment that the holocaust made possible the establishment of Israel transforms an act of pure evil into a meaningful "act of God" that served a higher purpose. That is ignorant beyond belief and if I were Jewish, I would be deeply offended. It's no different than the attitude the Dominican priests displayed in allowing the mistreatment of native Americans by the Spanish when they wouldn't adopt Christian values.
Hagee should know this but he obviously doesn't. He may be well-versed in the Bible but that seems to be the extent of his education. This guy should not be leading a church no less endorsing a politician. He has the mere sophistication of a country bumpkin. I am very distrustful of country bumpkins, or anyone for that matter, who claim to speak for God.
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Kimberly, you wrote:
"And just so we're clear on this: I told TH that this would come back and bite McCain in the rear. His pastors are toxic men with dangerous ideas, and forcing them out into the light of day, seeing McCain have to backpedal, is just such a sweet way to wrap this one up before moving on."
My two words are JEREMIAH WRIGHT.
McCain will get a low mark for a day because someone didn't find the most recent revelation earlier. Hagee still wasn't his pastor. He never had the moral, ethical, and intellectual obligation that Obama has had for 20 years to put Jeremiah Wright in his place. Obama conciously chose not to do so because he desperately needed Wright and his congregation for a political constituency. Obama is a coward of the highest order for not "speaking truth to power" to his foul-mouthed bully of a pastor.
McCain has purged Hagee from his campaign and that's it. As I saw Dick Morris say the other night, Jeremiah Wright is the most effective campaign add McCain has. |
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You've been making the so-called McCain/Hagee connection your cause celebre on every blog on sight for months. Now whadda gonna do? |
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How can anyone trust Shoeless John on anything? He can be trusted with appointing conservative judges? We are just going to have to make it as ugly as possible for the GOP in November. Even the Dems will shrink in horror because we are angry and wrecking the GOP is just getting the blocking unit out of the way so we can attack the real problem: Dem communists. |
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Gut-kicked, that's how Mack makes one feel.
Maybe it's time for Mack to get a brain tumor exam himself. |
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Just to be clear, I was responding to the malkin link, not Hagee. |
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Matt,
I believe that you SUPPORTED Sen. McCain in the primaries, correct? So now, what gives? Did you not see all of this coming? So a couple of pastors have a Fundamentalist Christian view of the United States and somehow, Sen. McCain has them in the same league as the hate-monger The "Rev." Jeremiah Wright. How many other supporters is Sen. McCain going to throw under the train? And, one more thing. George W. Bush would never have done what Sen. McCain is doing in regards to these endorsements. Some men really do stand on principles. |
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I am a Christian and have been since 1982. And i don,t believe in being baptized makes one a Christian. And i have been baptized. And where i go to Church is Holy Family Catholic church in LOU. KY. As my wife is a Catholic and i am not. I use to go to a charismatic church and would do so today. And yes i do believe in spiritual gifts are in operation today. And you are not going to tell me otherwise.
So do you think just because i don,t go to the Church of Christ, as looking at how you wrote the message, that you don,t think i am a Christian. Let me ask you according to you how does one become a Christian. Have you ever had the Lord Jesus who is God speak to you since i have? And i don,t mean a audible voice.
And i still think Hagee is a crack pot, and think that most of the book of Revelation is about the 1st century when the devil was desperate to destroy the Church before it really got started. Just as Hank Hanagraaff has said on his radio show. |
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about shoah and holocaust - in cannot be both. btw- I've not studied Hagee thoroughly but I've seen him several times and read his book "In Defense of Israel". Thousands of Jews are not offended by him and these are Jews from Israel not the Hollywood kind here in America. So that is what I've gone with so far. Hagee, although seemingly wrong about Jesus, does not strike me as being a nut rather he is very vigorous in his opinions. This puts people off.
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I just posed a list of questions to you and you are getting a bit defensive. The list was not a list of requirements for being Christian. It was a list of rites or beliefs that many denominations believe. You know that one denomination may think another denomination is "nutty" for what they believe. That was my point - different denominations may have different ideas about the Gospel and what we as Christians are about.
I am an evangelical but used to be Catholic. I believe more like you (except for Revelation being in the past tense) except my wife and I are of the same faith and will be even if we change denominations. But I don't think you're a nut because an evangelical married a Catholic. Catholics and evangelicals believe differently on many things. And many on this thread are going to think you and I are nuts because God has spoken to us and we have a personal relationship with Him. |
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how so many people don't get the fact that the wholesale trashing of a religion or a category of people is not offensive if they're not in that particular group.
Hagee thinks that Catholicism is the "Great Whore". That should be offensive to Catholics and non-Catholics alike. there is no reason to trash another religion. Simply put, it serves no good to attack another religion. It creates bigots because those that watch and follow his sermons may now think that Catholics follow a "false religion"...not a good thing. THAT CREATES BIGOTS
Hagee says that Katrina was the result of God's anger of a gay parade. An actual parade. An event that would take place over a few hours. So God sent in a hurricane to cause levies to break and destroy much of a city (the poor black section - not where the route of the gay parade was) and kill a thousand people, the vast majority of whom were not gay. Sheer lunacy. An insult to gay people and to all that suffered - and still suffer - through that tragedy. ALL BECAUSE OF A PARADE.
Now we have Hagee saying that God created the Holocaust - in which half of the world's Jews perished - so that Israel may be established. A few points. One, I don't think that God would cause 6 million Jews (plus huge amounts of Gypsies, homosexuals, etc.) would be killed so a people could return to their lands after 2000 years. But it's not just that. It's the entire war and all the lives that were lost. GOD DOESN'T MURDER PEOPLE TO PUSH HIS AGENDA ALONG.
As a Catholic who grew up knowing a lot of Jewish people and who has gay friends, I find all three episodes here disgusting.
I'm a centrist politically. I sometimes hop on here on TownHall, sometimes on sites such as DailyKos. I'm continually amazed at how many people are so willing to hate and trash (or to defend the hating and trashing) of entire groups of people.
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if you people would read and hear what Hagee actually says before you jump to conclusions. I posted his youtube statement about the Whore. As you can see he is not singling out the Catholic Church.
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Jeremiah 16
Day of Disaster
1 Then the word of the LORD came to me: 2 "You must not marry and have sons or daughters in this place."
4 "They will die of deadly diseases. They will not be mourned or buried but will be like refuse lying on the ground. They will perish by sword and famine, and their dead bodies will become food for the birds of the air and the beasts of the earth."
...6 "Both high and low will die in this land. They will not be buried or mourned, and no one will cut himself or shave his head for them. 7 No one will offer food to comfort those who mourn for the dead—not even for a father or a mother—nor will anyone give them a drink to console them.
14 "However, the days are coming," declares the LORD, "when men will no longer say, 'As surely as the LORD lives, who brought the Israelites up out of Egypt,' 15 but they will say, 'As surely as the LORD lives, who brought the Israelites up out of the land of the north and out of all the countries where he had banished them.' For I will restore them to the land I gave their forefathers.
16 "But now I will send for many fishermen," declares the LORD, "and they will catch them. After that I will send for many hunters, and they will hunt them down on every mountain and hill and from the crevices of the rocks. 17 My eyes are on all their ways; they are not hidden from me, nor is their sin concealed from my eyes. 18 I will repay them double for their wickedness and their sin, because they have defiled my land with the lifeless forms of their vile images and have filled my inheritance with their detestable idols."
Can anyone else see how Hagee might have thought Hitler, who killed Jews by the millions, might be a Hunter? He is not a nut in my opinion. This is just his interpretation.
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Either God's word is true or not. Since He said He would send hunters and fishers then I believe that He will or has. Otherwise God is a liar. Now, if He hasn't sent a hunter yet in the form of Hitler, I am really terrified of whom He will send next. Think about it. |
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Check out the Old Testament stories of smiting and swallowing thousands of people whole. Did Moses get to the promised land? Check out Jewish captivity and wandering. And, oh yeah, what happened to God's only begotten Son, who happened to be Jewish? God's ways are not our ways. And, yes, I believe man also chooses to do evil things on his own. God does not do evil. What we consider "evil" may just be God moving in His way.
The Devil is called "The Prince of the Air". Might he be in charge of earthquakes, tornados, and hurricanes?
Me, I don't know why disasters occur but calling others crazy when they consider biblical explanations for events seems ignorant. Especially if you don't even study the bible. |
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Is there anyone from Hagee's church on this blog?
Just a question. Did anyone in the church ever question these comments.
It seems to me Hagee looks surprised sometimes that people are complaining about this now. Similar to Jeremiah with Obama.
Or maybe most people are asleep in church?
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Hagee's on tv sermonizing from his church about 4 times a week. You can see for yourself. I disagree with one major theological point so I don't watch much anymore. |
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"we can expect John McCain to display more toughness than this"
Based on what? Appears to me any time theres a left right argument his Grand Maverickosity sways left.
McCain got this far by alienating righties courting moderates, and appeasing lefties, but I repeat myself. To think he's not gonna dance with those who brung him is to dally in delusion.
His calculation all along has been M+I > C, or moderates/independents gained will be greater than conservatives lost. It worked so far and may well work in November, especially in view of utter vacuity of the presumptive opponent.
He doesn't mind, some say he may even enjoy, routinely poking sticks in conservatives eyes. Quite frankly when some of those are the sort who actually defend Hagee I share the enjoyment.
You religious righties are not doing the cause any favors. Here's a deal for you, I'll keep politics out of your church if you keep your church out of my politics. Any arrangement other than that is to contradict the founders and as such an affront to true conservatism. |
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"we can expect John McCain to display more toughness than this"
Based on what? Appears to me any time theres a left right argument his Grand Maverickosity sways left.
McCain got this far by alienating righties courting moderates, and appeasing lefties, but I repeat myself. To think he's not gonna dance with those who brung him is to dally in delusion.
His calculation all along has been M+I > C, or moderates/independents gained will be greater than conservatives lost. It worked so far and may well work in November, especially in view of utter vacuity of the presumptive opponent.
He doesn't mind, some say he may even enjoy, routinely poking sticks in conservatives eyes. Quite frankly when some of those are the sort who actually defend Hagee I share the enjoyment.
You religious righties are not doing the cause any favors. Here's a deal for you, I'll keep politics out of your church if you keep your church out of my politics. Any arrangement other than that is to contradict the founders and as such an affront to true conservatism. |
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"If Hagee was asked whether he knew why the Jews refer to the Holocaust as the Shoah he would know the answer? The difference is what makes his way of thinking so ignorant and offensive."
I am not defending Hagee. I am not a follower of these "end time" preachers. I am not a fatalist. I absolutely reject that Hitler was "God's instrument." But I do not think Hagee is an anti semite--he just thinks everything that happens is part of God's plan--in a way like Muslims say "inshallah" to everything.
I suspect he would know what the term Shoah means. Many observant Jews do not like the term Holocaust, because it implies a burnt offering to God in Greek. Shoah is Hebrew ???? for calamity. |
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