So Newt "Contract with America" Gingrinch is no longer sufficiently conservative for the wingnuts?
Why do I get the feeling that in another 12 years, the GOP convention will consist of Beck, Bachmann, Limbaugh, and Palin making speeches to each other in a large empty stadium? |
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NY23 has been Republican for over 150 years. The local party nominated a candidate, and Sarah Palin, Glenn Beck, Michelle Bachmann, Town Hall, and Rush Limbaugh decided she wasn't conservative enough. So they threw their support behind a bona fide GEEK who didn't even live in the district, and now they have a DEMOCRATIC representative. And it's all NEWT'S fault!
You right wingers need to stick to your best skills - whining and getting angry - and leave real politics to adults. |
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Where do you get the misinformation that NY23 has been Republican for 150 years?
Here are the facts:
1857-1875 - Republican
1875-1877 - Democrat
1877-1883 - Republican
1883-1887 - Democrat
1887-1891 - Republican
1891-1893 - Democrat
1893-1913 - Republican
1913-1915 - Democrat
1915-1917 - Republican
1917-1921 - Democrat
1921-1923 - Republican
1923-1973 - Democrat (Oliver, Buckley, Lynch, Fine, Dollinger, Gilbert, Buckley[again], Bingham)
1973-1979 - Republican (Peyser, Caputo)
1979-1993 - Democrat (Peyser, Stratton, McNulty)
1993-2009 - Republican (Boehlert, McHugh)
I don't know where you get your facts,but you should really be better informed and stop repeating everything you hear in the left-stream media.
A few more facts for you. 125,715 people voted on Tuesday. McHugh (R) got 129,991 votes in 2008. The loser in 2008, Michael Oot, got more votes in a losing cause than Owens got in a winning effort.
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The adults be the corzines and deeds of your party? |
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Right you are - yet more proof that you shouldn't believe everything you read on the internets. Or that I should read more carefully: "Democrat Bill Owens Tuesday won New York's 23rd Congressional District, parts of which have been in Republican hands since the Civil War."
Nevertheless, are you going to tell us that if Scozzafava had run with no outside interference from the right wing, she still would have lost? And can you defend so-called conservatives swooping down to assert their national priorities over local authorities? |
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You both wish - you both probably posted last year that the conservative movement was dead too. But we know where that gotcha don't we. The fact of the matter is, when the GOP votes conservative they win elections and when the DEM votes liberal they loose. I am soooo looking forward to 2010. |
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You tell them just like it is. Thanks BTW for the facts of the matter. |
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Newt did screw it up. While quoting Reagan about not speaking bad about fellow Republicans, he forgot that Reagan also indicated that there are certain core beleifs that, if the individual does not hold them, they are NOT Republicans. As Ms Scozzafava did not hold to the core beleifs, there was no need for Newt to endorse her because of an (R) behind her name.
And Vald - It wasn't because she was not conservative enough; she wasn't conservative at all. |
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"conservative movement was dead"
If by 'conservative', you mean the intellectual skepticism of government, mankind, noble intentions, and radical change of traditions, then no.
If, on the other hand, you mean a conservatism enamoured of government power, foreign adventurism, a contempt for the Constitution, recklessness in spending, disdain for intellectualism, and a mindless veneration for corporate America, then yes, I hope it dies and stays dead.
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Nancy"where's my prozac"Pelosi says the democrats won on Tuesday because NY-23 was for a national seat.Seeing as how democrats are counting their votes it speaks to landslide victories for conservatives in 2010.
Just over 100,000 people voted in NY-23,Dem's squeeked past an unknown and a spoiler.
In NJ and Virginia 7million people voted and together conservatives won by a landslide.
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That first sentence is great - roll out smaller, less intrusive Government. You need to add to it! |
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In my opinion, Newt should have stayed out of it, and if he had, the rest of them probably would have as well. I and my family have been in politics a long time, in everything from serving as election judge to some of us even getting elected to the state legislature. What I can tell you is that special elections are not like regular elections and almost anything can happen. Whether Scozzafava would have won had things not transpired as they did is pure speculation.
From my personal perspective, I agree with Geo. Washington that political parties are detrimental to freedom. I know it will never happen, but I dream of the day when people are elected for their stand on the issues, not because of which party they affiliate with. |
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It is time for the Pubs in all 50 states to allow primaries to pick the candidate that fits the district. Newt should have stayed out of it though he repented too late to aid Hoffman. And so did the RNC et al. Lesson learned. Also, the Pubs should take a look at the two winning guvs and their vote getting strategy. They should always wait till the party voters get a say in who should represent them. Also, it makes sense to do down ticket support as Pubs did in Pa. with the jurist elections that were very successful for the Party. Many CenterRight jurists were elected as were some legislative picks and that happened in Va. too. Let the people speak and then the GOP will really resurge. Reaching out to Libertarians, Indies, Reagan Dems would help too. |
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"You both wish - you both probably posted last year that the conservative movement was dead too."
No, I didn't. And I didn't say on Monday that the election was a "referendum" on Obama, either. As somebody else said, who in his right mind says, "Well, I really want to vote for the Democrat for governor, but I'm going to vote Republican to show my dissatisfaction with the president"?
The bottom line remains: the right wing stepped into a congressional election and lost. Period. Sarah Palin helped chop the feet out from under the candidate nominated by the local Republican organization - how is that going to help her win the Republican nomination in three years?
In New Jersey a very unpopular governor was defeated by somebody from the other party. In Virginia, there ARE no elected liberals. All elected Democrats in Virginia are right of center: Jim Webb, Mark Warner, Chuck Robb, etc. etc. So, yes, the Republicans won, but in a deeply conservative state, so it's hardly a landmark conservative victory.
The Republicans took over two governors' seats yesterday. Good for them. Right-wingers basically handed another Republican seat to the Democrats. I just don't see any world-shaking messages in those tea leaves. |
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The NY 23 seat is temporary. Another election will be held in 2010.
Republicans always cite Gingrich and his contract with America but never explain what happened after Republicans were swept into office.
Gingrich and the gang drunk on power forgot all about the contract with America. After supporting Scozzafava now Gingrich is on board...Agree or disagree but I think Gingrich is a windbag. So we need some straight talk and that is Palin, Bachmann, Beck, Limbaugh and the (9) refounders whoever they are.
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Palin quit her gig. And Alaska has a Dem senator thanks to Palin and Stevens.
So, it is ok for Palin to quit for no good reason, yet the Jersey and VA governorships are important now? |
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getting their panties up in knots fellow conservatives...we won get over it. BTW the conservative in NY did a really good job for being a little geek from no-where land. He only lost this seat by a few %'s points and no one really knew who he was until Palin and other's highlighted his values. Next years election is going to be all about values and where everyone stands on this crazy Obamacare and Cap and Tax votes.
kb Texan - I agree with you, it would be nice if we could remove the (D) or (R) or (C) or (I) for that matter. Let us see these folks for who they really are and then we vote. |
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