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...inalienable right to abort your God-given baby?
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for some future Justinian to attempt to reconcile all of the contradictions that liberals are busy weighing down our jurisprudential codes with. By then our civilization will have run its course and people like coldplaylover, who did the most to see it come to its demise, will be, most thankfully, dead and gone. |
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As much as I would like to think that Obama is in fact pro-life and is deftly trying to undo Roe v Wade, the article is really grasping at straws. If the author thinks that inserting a government bureaucrat in medical decisions will somehow undercut baby butchering because it doesn't mesh with a right to privacy, I'd ask the same author how he explains that liberals are for choice when it comes to whether or not an innocent child lives or dies, but oppose choice over what schools your kid goes to, what car you drive, and whether or not you purchase health insurance.
Is ObamaCare in contradiction with Roe? Technically, yes. And that will give those who like to nitpick on detail another argument against either abortion or ObamaCare, but it will not connect with the masses because it is too far removed from being a concrete concern.
Like I say, I'd love to see Roe v Wade overturned, I'd love to see Barack Obama be a closet pro-lifer, and I'd love for Sonia Sotomayor to be the decisive fifth vote on the matter. But I think putting any stock of expectation in such flights of fancy would be utterly delusional. May liberalism prove me wrong. |
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Lord analyzes Roe vs. Wade in a way we haven't seen for some time. It reminded me of a local situation from a few years ago. A star vollyeball player, +3.0 GPA student, faithful church attender etc one day felt not so great. As the days progressed and no improvement in her health, the trip to the doctor was made. Eventually she was diagnosed with a brain stem tumor. Prognosis was terminal. The family was self-employed But did have their own medical coverage. There were "experiemental" treatments that "might" work, but never tried since those procedures were not insurable. Numerous community fund raisers occured that produced some funding for the experimental procedures but naturally not enough could be generated.
Finally, the familiy's financial resources were depleted and the girl's health care was turned over to Medical. Some exclaimed "At last! Now she'll get the treatment she needs!"
No. The state "managed" her health care (e.g. body) with staples such as as pain killers, a hospital bed, IV's and so on until she died in a drug induced coma.
Obamacare would have done much the same for this girl and her family in the President's own words. It won't change anything with respect to medical advancement, i.e. experimentation if Medical, Medicare, Medicaid are any model. No "experimental" potentially life saving treatments since those could be:
"But here's the problem that we have in our current health care system, is that there is a whole bunch of care that's being provided that every study, every bit of evidence that we have indicates may not be making us healthier."
Yep. Better that she was "better off not having the surgery, but taking the painkiller." Better for Obamacare perhaps. We may all want painkillers in the end. |
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The one procedure that will never, ever be rationed is abortion. It is the cornerstone of liberal thought and to do anything at all to limit it is unthinkable. |
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...to get in the end--if we're lucky. Call hospice. A little morphine. Drug induced comma. Bye-bye.
There is no way, no how that primo health care can be provided for everyone. And anyone who implies it can, is a damned liar.
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good points but it's kinda like fishing with "miracle" bait; makes gettin' skunked that much worse when the fish don't bite! |
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"My body belongs to ME". "Keep your government hands off my body". Well, well, isn't this a fine predicament! But the "messiah" knows best, don't he? He's OBAMA, he wants his hands on your body, girly, tellin' ya' what for, when and how much, girly, ya' folla'? Got it, "coldplayloser"? Question is, is what/who do you support, girly? The Mother of unintended consequences, ain't it! And it couldn't happen to a more deserving group of miscreants. Of which you are a member in good standin', right, "coldplayloser"!! Whats a girl to do? Quick, off to Huffpo, for orders, cause' we both know that ya' can't think on your feet! |
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more sickening than his slimy hands on our money |
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Were Bo to ever place his hands on MY body, they would be detached from HIS! |
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"Were Bo to ever place his hands on MY body, they would be detached from HIS!"
You're living a very strange fantasy life. |
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So many fantasies here of President Obama placing his hands all over women's bodies. Reminds me of the good old days when we used to be warned that all the bad black men were just drooling to rape us nice white girls. Apparently some things never change.
So, in one corner we have the President of the United States, a professor of Constitutional Law and a multi-millionaire in his own right, happily married to boot, and in the other corner we have the townhall dollies. Wandering hands? Sex? I think Obama would be the first to throw up. |
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It is your kind that lives in a world of theories, fantasies, and most of all, flights of fancy. Your post, "lilly" is another in a seemingly, never ending stream of self evident pronouncements confirming my supposition. Stick around lackey, and continue proving it!! You do believe in "man made global warming" don't cha"!! "Flights of fancy", "I'm light as feather", I'm "lilly". |
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"What? There's No Actual God-given...
...inalienable right to abort your God-given baby?
Well, it figures since there is no actual God-given, inalienable right to health care."
Me- There is no "God given" right to anything. In fact, there are no "rights". Anyone who thinks there are "rights" should look up "Japanese-Americans, 1942" There are privilages, which are agreed upon by the consent of the majority.
So the real question is, what kind of system do we want.
The current system, which leaves one out of four Americans either uninsured or underinsured, costs more per capita than any other country in the world, leaves us with the highest infant mortality rate and lowest life expectancy in the industrialized world. That adds massive amounts of expense to every product made in this country, pricing our products out of most international markets.
Or a universal system that covers everyone, costs less, is efficient, doesn't use emergency rooms to treat colds. Doesn't let a child's absessed tooth evolve into a major infection that kills him. Like EVERY other country in the industrialized world.
What amazes me is that you guys have to know on some level this is a bad system, but you defend it because SOMEONE might be denied his "God given" right to make an obscene profit.
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Of course, the notion will never go farther than the internet. The fact that Roe v Wade logically contradicts Obama's notions of managed care will be lost on most liberals. For most of them logic, or more properly "ZOMG! lOgiK!!1", is merely a rhetorical weapon to be used against conservatives, especially those who are evangelical Christians, which need not be applied to their own ideas. In fact, most liberals I've encountered have very little understanding of what logic is. |
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Or a universal system that covers everyone, costs less, is efficient, doesn't use emergency rooms to treat colds
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Bwahahahahahahahaha! Universal system that costs MORE and covers "almost" everyone that provides less service for "Everyone".
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But the Founders believed there was and through Nature and Nature's God ALL men recieved certain inalienable rights.
THAT is the foundation of this country.
If your notion of government is "privileges" which are "given by the majority," that's shockingly unamerican.
It's no wonder who have such difficulty understanding anything on these thread.
Your thinking completely contradicts the fundamental assumptions of America.
You probably need to consider moving to a country more in tune with your assumptions. And take your Proud Progressives with you. |
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Eugene is a socialist,He believes that only goverment can provide and refuses to look at the damage Goverment oversight causes . Example, in 1962 the FDA increased it's standards for drug approval ,tyhe number of new drugs has fallen by more than 50%since 1962. becuase it now takes much longer for a new drug to be approved the cost has been multiplied many times . In the 50's and 60's it took around 25 months and 500,000 dollars to get a new drug to market by 1978 it was costing 54 million and took about 8 years bring a comparable drug to market .Drug companies can no longer afford to devolp new drugs for rare diseases and must rely instead on drugs with high volume sales to cary the load . The us is now taking a back seat to other countries in the development of new treatrmentsand we can not benifit from their work becuase the FDA does not accept evidence from abroad as proof of effectiveness . Perhaps the FDA is the reason we have lower life expectancy than other industrialized nations ? |
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But keep telling yourself how wonderful the system is and hope to God you never find yourself uninsured and sick...
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Yup, system here is great. Europe has to wait at least 10 weeks for simple test..if one is allowed. We spend more because we provide more.
You keep drinking that Kool-aid Axe. You keep telling yourself that Government run healthcare is cheaper and better. I got this $200 hammer I want to sell you. |
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Great post. The FDA in this country means that it takes years for valuable drugs to get to market. I believe we suffer greatly because of their insane restriction. The cost of our drugs are of course the direct result of these restrictions. The cost and time delay certainly have a huge impact on our health and life expectancy. |
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The statistics that Ax-man is using are worthless.
They do not control for murders, suicides, accidents or genetics.
A valid comparison for medical care would compare genetically similar populations in the US versus the same populations in foreign countries. It would also eliminate murders, suicides and accidents from the mix since these are not affected by the quality of medical care.
When these are counted the US life expectancies are actually very good particularly for African Americans whose life expectancy is much higher in the US than anywhere in Africa.
As for infant mortality the difference between Cuba and the US is the exact opposite from what Ax-man claims. In Cuba any difficult pregnancy is aborted with or without the mother's consent. By comparison, women with difficult pregnancies come to the US for care. In the US saving the life of a fetus is a major if the the major goal of ob-gyns. Extraordinary procedures such as in utero surgery are used in the US whereas in Cuba the solution is a coat hanger.
Comparing the infant mortality rate in the US with that of Cuba is like comparing the accident rate of stunt men with that of nuns.
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Unfortunately, we have yet to see number that reflect reality. Thank you for pointing out the obvious. |
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"A valid comparison for medical care would compare genetically similar populations in the US versus the same populations in foreign countries. It would also eliminate murders, suicides and accidents from the mix since these are not affected by the quality of medical care.
When these are counted the US life expectancies are actually very good particularly for African Americans whose life expectancy is much higher in the US than anywhere in Africa."
Wow, our system is better than the third world. Thank God for the free market.
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Thank you for an excellent post on the risk of using statistics at face value. However, leftians will no doubt argue your point that abortion helps make our IMR stats look better in the world!
From a quick google search comparing IMR stats, another apparent contributor is many European countries (as well as that medical miracle "Cooba" according to whats-his-name) do not report births of babies that died just out of the womb under a certain birth weight - a primary cause of infant mortality.
On that subject, in an odd twist of statistics, another contributor to the US IMR stat is American medical practice takes extraordinary steps to save the lives of premies and other complicated births with perhaps a 50% success rate. Other countries do not do so and thus do not report a "birth" followed by an immediate mortality. The IMR stats are not normalized for specific medical practice and standard procedures on a country basis thus are apples to oranges comparisons in many cases. |
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Axe Hole: There May or May Not Be a God
But the Founders believed there was and through Nature and Nature's God ALL men recieved certain inalienable rights."
Me- They also believed that bleeding a man when he had a cold was a good medical procedure. In fact, that's how Geo. Washington's doctors killed him. So I think all you MORONS who think we should have 1799 thinking on this issue should have only 1799 medicine practiced on you.
KG- THAT is the foundation of this country.
If your notion of government is "privileges" which are "given by the majority," that's shockingly unamerican.
Me- No, it's shockingly pragmatic. I can give you whole lists of people who are denied rights thorughout out history by the majority. Native Americans who had their land taken from them, Blacks who were slaves and then second class citizens under Jim Crow, Japanese Americans who were rounded up after Pearl Harbor and sent to detention camps. Hey, let's be fair, Mormons who were chased out of Missouri and Illinois into the desert. Privilages given by MEN were revoked, not Rights given by God. Otherwise, wouldn't have God wagged a cosmic finger at those who did those things?
KG- It's no wonder who have such difficulty understanding anything on these thread.
Me- Considering most Conservative posters on TH are borderline retarded, it is hard to follow you, yes.
KG- Your thinking completely contradicts the fundamental assumptions of America.
Me- Please, the fundemental assumption of America was abunch of rich slaveholders didn't want to pay their taxes.
KG- You probably need to consider moving to a country more in tune with your assumptions. And take your Proud Progressives with you.
Me- Uh, no, I'm perfectly happy FIXING this one.
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"Eugene is a socialist,He believes that only goverment can provide and refuses to look at the damage Goverment oversight causes . Example, in 1962 the FDA increased it's[sic] standards for drug approval ,tyhe number of new drugs has fallen by more than 50%since 1962. becuase it now takes much longer for a new drug to be approved the cost has been multiplied many times . In the 50's and 60's it took around 25 months and 500,000 dollars to get a new drug to market by 1978 it was costing 54 million and took about 8 years bring a comparable drug to market .Drug companies can no longer afford to devolp[sic] new drugs for rare diseases and must rely instead on drugs with high volume sales to cary[sic] the load . The us is now taking a back seat to other countries in the development of new treatrmentsand[sic] we can not benifit[sic] from their work becuase the FDA does not accept evidence from abroad as proof of effectiveness . Perhaps the FDA is the reason we have lower life expectancy than other industrialized nations ?"
Me- Tell me spanky, how many drugs have been pulled from the market because they were found to be unsafe? Vaccines that caused Autism, Redux and Phen-Fen causing heart attacks...I could imagine what it would be like if we didn't have an FDA.
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Yup, system here is great. Europe has to wait at least 10 weeks for simple test..if one is allowed. We spend more because we provide more.
You keep drinking that Kool-aid Axe. You keep telling yourself that Government run healthcare is cheaper and better. I got this $200 hammer I want to sell you.
Me- You know what, I've dealt with both government run health care in the military and privately run health care in the civilian world. I'd take the military version any day of the week (as long as Republicans aren't running it.)
I had to get foot surgery when I was in the service, and knee surgery in civilian life. Guess which procedure I got faster, more effectively, and they weren't looking to throw me out the front door the minute the anesthesia wore off!
Anyway, what are you worried about? If your private sector plan is so superior, the government isn't going to beat it. Right? I mean you guys are talking out of both sides of your mouths on this one. |
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A- No Controls on Ax-man's Stats The statistics that Ax-man is using are worthless.
Me- Right, they are so worthless that governments and international bodies rely on them and compile them.
A- They do not control for murders, suicides, accidents or genetics.
M- Miniscule amounts of the first three, (And are you saying Americans should be proud of having more murders, suicides and accidents?) and Genetics? Come on!
A - When these are counted the US life expectancies are actually very good particularly for African Americans whose life expectancy is much higher in the US than anywhere in Africa.
Me- Wow, that's nice. You're saying that Blacks live longer in America (although not as long as whites) and they should be proud of that! Except the reason they don't live as long as whites is because they are poor and don't get good health care.
A- As for infant mortality the difference between Cuba and the US is the exact opposite from what Ax-man claims. In Cuba any difficult pregnancy is aborted with or without the mother's consent.
Me- Really, you have proof of that? In fact, the Cubans have LESS abortions than we do. (We have more abortions than any country in the world except Russia and China)
Maybe you can claim that a few countries have wobbly statistical methods, but the fact is that ALL the industrialized countries do better than we do, in life expectency, infant mortality, etc.
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I had to get foot surgery when I was in the service, and knee surgery in civilian life. Guess which procedure I got faster, more effectively, and they weren't looking to throw me out the front door the minute the anesthesia wore off!
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Maybe it was your attitude that made them want to throw you out the front door.
Axe continues: Anyway, what are you worried about? If your private sector plan is so superior, the government isn't going to beat it. Right?
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No they won't beat it but they may take it over. Besides, they look to spend over 1.6 trillion and it doesn't even cover everyone.
We could have care like Britain. According to an AP Medical writer: "Last month cancer researchers announced that as many as 15,000 people over the age of 75 were dying prematurely from cancer every year. Experts said those deaths could have been avoided if those patients had been diagnosed and treated earlier."
In addition, the government, in one plan, says that it will charge each company $750/year per full time employee and $350/year per part-time employee that it does not cover with health insurance. There goes those jobs. |
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just qouted milton freidman, jerkwad. vaccines have not been shown to cause autism, as for phen phen it was aproved by the FDA as were the vaccines, that says a lot for the FDA does it not moron ! |
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Maybe it was your attitude that made them want to throw you out the front door.
Me- Make a flippant joke when you can't have an answer. The fact is that in "managed" care, we don't take care of patients. "Drive By Deliveries" and crap like that. A healer takes care of his patients, a Corporation takes care of his investors... This is what you idiots fail to realize.
BK- No they won't beat it but they may take it over. Besides, they look to spend over 1.6 trillion and it doesn't even cover everyone.
Me- Please, that's 1.6 over 10 years, most of it on the tail end. We've wasted more money than that in Iraq.
BK- "We could have care like Britain. According to an AP Medical writer: "Last month cancer researchers announced that as many as 15,000 people over the age of 75 were dying prematurely from cancer every year. Experts said those deaths could have been avoided if those patients had been diagnosed and treated earlier."
Me- Wow,lot's of "if" in that statement. How about this one, that 96,000 Americans die every year because of medical mistakes.
BK- In addition, the government, in one plan, says that it will charge each company $750/year per full time employee and $350/year per part-time employee that it does not cover with health insurance. There goes those jobs.
Me- You look at it as zero=sum game. If you can't afford to pay $750.00 to keep your employees healthy, maybe you shouldn't even be in business. Let's be honest, the companies that don't insure their employees are getting over on the rest of us who fund government or private plans that do. You go out of business, someone who can afford to do it right WILL replace you. |
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Me- Make a flippant joke when you can't have an answer. The fact is that in "managed" care, we don't take care of patients.
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Awe don't get upset. I gave you the answer. You just don't like it. Funny, my doctor sees me every 3-4 months or sooner if a problem arises. No problems here. Don't want to be another Government number!
Axe again: Please, that's 1.6 over 10 years, most of it on the tail end. We've wasted more money than that in Iraq.
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More waste of money from the government who doesn't have a clue what they're doing. That's just what we need...a bunch of lawyers defining our healthcare. Kool-aid!!!!!
Axe again: Me- Wow,lot's of "if" in that statement. How about this one, that 96,000 Americans die every year because of medical mistakes.
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They won't die under government care? There's that $200 hammer again.
Axe again: Me- You look at it as zero=sum game. If you can't afford to pay $750.00 to keep your employees healthy, maybe you shouldn't even be in business. Let's be honest, the companies that don't insure their employees are getting over on the rest of us who fund government or private plans that do. You go out of business, someone who can afford to do it right WILL replace you.
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Well I can see how you can say that if you know nothing about business. What's the average profit margin of a small business 3%! That would also mean that you would be required to cover people who work..1 HOUR A WEEK. So much for that jobs deal cause nobody will be jumping in to take their place...why would anybody with half-a-brain want that?
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BK- Awe don't get upset. I gave you the answer. You just don't like it. Funny, my doctor sees me every 3-4 months or sooner if a problem arises. No problems here. Don't want to be another Government number!
Me- But you have no problem being another private insurance number... How many employees get let go because they raise the premium costs of an employer. The point is, the hospitals have to make a profit, so it's to throw the patients out as quickly as possible.
BK- More waste of money from the government who doesn't have a clue what they're doing. That's just what we need...a bunch of lawyers defining our healthcare. Kool-aid!!!!!
Me- Funny, you guys WANT the government defining health care when it comes to abortion... Frankly, I've seen some very well run government agencies, and some horribly run private companies.
BK-They won't die under government care? There's that $200 hammer again.
Me- Once again, We spend 4271 a year per capita, the Canadians spend $1939 per year. They cover everyone, they live two years longer, they have a lower infant mortality rate, and oh, yeah, medical crisis don't put people in the poorhouse.
BK- Well I can see how you can say that if you know nothing about business. What's the average profit margin of a small business 3%! That would also mean that you would be required to cover people who work..1 HOUR A WEEK. So much for that jobs deal cause nobody will be jumping in to take their place...why would anybody with half-a-brain want that?
Me- Once again, these fly by night operations maybe shouldn't be in business if they are that poorly run. The rest of us end up picking up the tab.
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Me- But you have no problem being another private insurance number... How many employees get let go because they raise the premium costs of an employer. The point is, the hospitals have to make a profit, so it's to throw the patients out as quickly as possible.
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I know Joe at BC/BS and he helps me with anything I want. Comeon, no employee get let go because of high insurance rates. Higher tax and mandatory wage rates...sure. That's simply nonsence about hospitals.
Axe continues:Me- Funny, you guys WANT the government defining health care when it comes to abortion... Frankly, I've seen some very well run government agencies, and some horribly run private companies.
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No we don't. We don't want ANY coverage AT ALL for ANY ABORTIONS. You now calling that "defined healthcare". Bwahahahahahaha!
I've never seen any well-run government agency. Just layers and layers of incompetancy.
More from axe: Me- Once again, these fly by night operations maybe shouldn't be in business if they are that poorly run. The rest of us end up picking up the tab.
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Yup, those fly by night operations employ about 70% of our workforce. See I knew you knew NOTHING about business. You're full of sh!t!
Finally axe thinks: If anything, universal coverage would make American industry more competive, because it wouldn't just be manufacturing companies carrying the cost of medical care.
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"9.1 million people in the uninsured number make more than $75,000"...I guess their priorities are different.
"11 million people declined healthcare offered by their employers."
Uhhhmmmm. Appears that some people simply don't want healthcare coverage. |
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Obama birth mystery: More than 1 hospital
More than eight months after Barack Obama was elected president, the mystery surrounding his precise birthplace is deepening as the myth-busting website Snopes.com - along with several news agencies and an Obama community blog - directly contradict the president's own claim regarding the hospital in which he was born.
Find out the latest right now at WND.com.
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId= 103306 |
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"Uhhhmmmm. Appears that some people simply don't want healthcare coverage."
Often they can just go to the emergency room, and you and I will pay for it. Do you like that approach better? |
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"the mystery surrounding his precise birthplace is deepening as the myth-busting website Snopes.com - along with several news agencies and an Obama community blog - directly contradict the president's own claim regarding the hospital in which he was born."
I tried several different searches at Snopes and couldn't find any reference to Worldnet's claim about the hospital where he was born. Can you provide that for us? |
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Here's reformation, & revolution that Our Founding Fathers supported:
1) Advertise and Promote the Fact that you are forming a Grand Jury in Blogs, Local Newspapers and Community Organizations.
2) Form the Grand Jury and select a Foreman.
3) Select a Private Attorney General to make Presentments to Grand Jury, if local DA refuses to make presentments.
4) Select a convenient Meeting Place.
5) Communicate with all Citizens who have criminal information to present.
6) Schedule presentments by said Citizens.
7) Subpoena documents from Government Offices and Officials.
8) Schedule presentment of said Documents to Grand Jury by Grand Jury Attorney General.
9) Have Grand Jury Attorney General present said Documents to Grand Jury.
10) After investigation and deliberation is completed, vote and issue a True Bill (Indictment) or No True Bill.
11) Announce all Indictments to the Press.
12) Serve the Indictment on the Judiciary for the Issuance of Arrest Warrants.
L_Patriot@yahoo.com
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Often they can just go to the emergency room, and you and I will pay for it. Do you like that approach better?
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Not the point...these people choose NOT to have health insurance. Then are you saying that the government will now FORCE people to buy health insurance? Next will be the government will FORCE people Not to eat at McDonalds!!! |
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"Not the point...these people choose NOT to have health insurance."
Correct! That is the point. Why should they buy health insurance when you'll pay for it? |
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Correct! That is the point. Why should they buy health insurance when you'll pay for it?
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So then you ARE saying that the government should force everyone to buy health insurance? |
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"So then you ARE saying that the government should force everyone to buy health insurance?"
You're having enough trouble figuring out what you're saying, please don't try to tell me what I'm saying. |
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You're having enough trouble figuring out what you're saying, please don't try to tell me what I'm saying.
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Need more time? Simple question really.
Vlad quote: "Often they can just go to the emergency room, and you and I will pay for it. Do you like that approach better?"
If they elect NOT to have insurance, what can anyone do and what will Obamacare do to change this?
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BK- Comeon, no employee get let go because of high insurance rates. Higher tax and mandatory wage rates...sure. That's simply nonsence about hospitals.
Me- No, actually, they do. When I was let go from the last job, they fired three people that day. Two of us had large medical expenses within the last year. Co-incidence? I doubt it.
BK- No we don't. We don't want ANY coverage AT ALL for ANY ABORTIONS. You now calling that "defined healthcare". I've never seen any well-run government agency. Just layers and layers of incompetancy.
Me- You essentially want a government official telling a woman she can't have an abortion...How else do you possibly think this is going to work?
BK- Yup, those fly by night operations employ about 70% of our workforce.
Me- Actually, 70% of our work force is actually employed by companies that do the right thing and provide coverage.
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BK- Bull sh!t. Like any company can be competitive with mandatory artificial costs placed on them.
Me- It's not an "artificial" cost. Employees aren't like sea monkeys, you can't throw them away when they get sick. Somewhere along the line, they have to get treated. The problem is with private insurance, they tack on 30% overhead for administation and profit. The doctor often has to employ several people to sort through all the insurance plans. That's an extra expense. Then you have the uninsured, who are not nicely dying like you want, but actually show up at Emergency rooms for their problems, usually after the problem has compounded into a much more serious condition.
Well, of course, the hospitals bill them, but they don't have the resources to pay, so they declare bankruptcy. (62% of all bankruptcies are due to a medical crisis.) So how does the hospital make up it's operating expenses and those huge corporate profits? Why, by charging the people who CAN pay a lot more.
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Me- No, actually, they do. When I was let go from the last job, they fired three people that day. Two of us had large medical expenses within the last year. Co-incidence? I doubt it.
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Axe again:Me- Actually, 70% of our work force is actually employed by companies that do the right thing and provide coverage.
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Me- It's not an "artificial" cost. Employees aren't like sea monkeys, you can't throw them away when they get sick. Somewhere along the line, they have to get treated. The problem is with private insurance, they tack on 30% overhead for administation and profit. The doctor often has to employ several people to sort through all the insurance plans. That's an extra expense. Then you have the uninsured, who are not nicely dying like you want, but actually show up at Emergency rooms for their problems, usually after the problem has compounded into a much more serious condition.
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When government tells a private company to increase costs it's artificial...and the profit from this dictate is?????????????????????
and you believe that government insurance won't have more bureaucracy...There's that $200 hammer again. I can sell this to you for a mear $300.
Axe continues with: Hence, why we spend $4300 per capita, and the Canadians spend $1900 per capita. A whole lot of middlemen looking for their cut!
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and the government run program will eliminate this how? and this is different from the government run anything how?
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axe seems to think if he keeps beating that dead horse ,it will come to life and win the derby. With obamas numbers dropping this will be a dead issue by september. 38% think he is doing a terrible job to 30% that thinks he is doing a good job. Say hello to a republican house and senate in 2 years if this trend holds . |
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