Sunday, September 07, 2008
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Mr. Griffin, MSNBC’s president, denies that it has an ideology. “I think ideology means we think one way, and we don’t.”
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Posted by:
Hugh Hewitt at
11:33 PM
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Hilarious.
Old Irish proverb: When everybody says you're drunk, you'd better sit down.
NBC needed to sit down a long time ago. It didn't, and the brand built over decades has been broken beyond repair with a vast segment of the American audience. They are the network of the left, making no attempt --as Fox does with Chris Wallace. Alan Colmes, and many members of Hume's panels-- to feature voices quite obviously not of its overarching ideological beliefs. Indeed, given the comment quoted here and others made over the years, the network seems genuinely not to know how far from the center of American politics it has drifted.
Conservatives within talk radio are transparent as to their beliefs, but also quite well aware of their own biases and eager to have liberals and leftists on to discuss issues, though it is rare that top drawer liberals or leftists will engage in sustained debate on these programs. (My eight hours with E. J. Dionne was a welcome exception.) The collapse of NBC's credibility will not be arrested by moving the name plates around. You cannot fix what you don't know is broken.
UPDATE: Ed Driscoll notes that Phil Griffin was taking a different line last year:
Officials at MSNBC emphasize that they never set out to create a liberal version of Fox News.
"It happened naturally," Phil Griffin, a senior vice president of NBC News who is the executive in charge of MSNBC, said Friday, referring specifically to the channel's passion and point of view from 7 to 10 p.m.
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...just needs to get off Sunday Night Football. Then i can go back to never hearing from that again. |
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Of COURSE they have no idea. These people have not one clue how the rest of us think, live or work. They are a self-sustaining, self-repeating group with no ties outside their "world". These are the same people, or heirs of those people, who couldn't understand how Nixon had won so big- THEY didn't know anyone who had voted for him. |
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after the Obama campaign turned the knife in Billarys back,and the rest of the news channels cheered.
They should not report as NEWS anchors when they are in the tank for Barrack Hussien Obama. That's not news it's a fan club. |
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MSNBC DOESN'T HAVE TO ADMIT THEIR LIBERAL BIAS THEY ARE DRIPPING IN IT! FINALLY, THE SEXIST & ELITIST KEITH AND CRIS HAVE BEEN PUT IN THEIR PLACE! I SENT PHIL GRIFFORD, VP OF NBC, NOTICE, HOW OFFENSIVE, NON OBJECTIVE AND MISLEADING MOST OF THE STAFF WERE. ITS ONE THING TO ENDORSE THEIR FAVORITE BUT THEY SHOVED OBAMA DOWN OUR THROATS AND UNFAIRLY PROMOTED THEIR BELOVED OBAMA OVER HILLARY, SARA AND MCCAIN AND FOR NO GOOD REASON. THANK GOODNESS FOR THE FAIR AND BALANCED FOX! WHEN THEY TAKE SIDES, IT'S BASED ON THE FACTS, NOT FALSE ASSUMPTIONS OR DISTORTIONS OF THE TRUTH. THEY DON'T HAVE 3 & 4 LIBS., AGAINST ONE 1 CONSERVATIVE ON TALKING POINTS! |
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Yesterday on Meet the Press they gave Biden 45 minutes. The last 15 minutes was some guy who wrote a book on global warming.
No round table discussions.
I guess they were afraid someone might mention Sarah Palin. Now they wouldn't want that to happen. |
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Since the two crazies have been demoted, will MSNBC raise in viewership? My bet is not. Now the public is getting some education on the huge bias of the MSM and it is nice that it is coming out big time. Perhaps even the nutty elitists who post here as Olympian Liberals may now finally admit this truth. The Left rules the media and the universities and that is bad for America. And with all the brainwashing that goes on with the youth vote forcing them into the socialist pacifist ideology, do real Americans think that is good for the entire nation? And will it help defend this nation against foreign enemies? After all BO now says, he did give it a nano-thought to join the military. He did give it a nano thought not to raise taxes for a minute anyhow. The leftist media like DNCTV, MSNBC might think this is a deep thinking man with wonderful wisdom but many will think of him just what he is, a naif who is dangerous for the nation. |
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Mr. Griffin, President of MSNBC, is kidding of course? Surely the boss knows what has turned off half & more of America! As a matter of fact I wrote to him complaining about their anchors unprofessional, non objective reporting/words and Chris Matthews/Keiths obvious Sexism. This was early in the Dem., Primary. Finally, now that their beloved Rookie Obama, is weakening and ratings off, guess what, Ha! Better late then never. We tried to tell you and now we ask Chris and Keith, was your beloved superman, Obama worth it? Alot of people are being thrown under the bus by him and because of him! Ex Democrat |
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...is what I have come to refer to as the Joseph Goebbels network. They have a problem with both the truth and the facts. Two of their worst propagandists, Keith Olberman and Christ Matthews, should be wearing Hitler mustaches. I wouldn't be surprised if either of them had pictures of Goebbels in their offices for inspiration.
I first started noticing media bias in the 1992 election. Our local NBC affilliate, when a Democrat was ahead in any race, would declare the Democrat to be the winner, even if their lead was only as little as half a per cent. When a Republican was ahead, and it could be as much as sixty per cent, they always said the race was too close to call. In one race, a Democrat was actually behind and the affilliate declared her the winner. When she lost, she refused to concede and claimed victory because the affilliate had named her the winner. She even threated a law suit if she wasn't declared the winner. The party finally stepped in and made her back off. |
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“I think ideology means we think one way, and we don’t.”
I agree. I see little evidence that the traditional news media are encumbered by the thought process.
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Allen writes, "for fair and balanced news I go to CNN - like the majority of the country."
Gee - Allen, was it this FAIR AND BALANCED news organization where Roland Martin went off the deep-end because Palin joked about "community organizers"?
Is that the networked where Ms Campbell questioned if Palin could be VP because she's a mother?
SURE!!! |
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Because they own this LEFT WING bunch.
If GE wants to support the DNC, I'll support other corporations with my business. |
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The Insane Woman Who Points Out Her Insanity says: "Hugh assumes that you won't bother to read the article, and he distorts what the article says” and “I don't see where Hugh gets the rest of his conclusions." LOL. First, her conclusion that Hugh "assumes" you won't read the article is debunked by the fact that his assessments track with the points made in the article. To whit: he says 'when everyone tells you you're drunk, you better sit down'. The story describes concerns from a former MSNBC editorial director, 10 'current and former staff members, and even Tom Brokaw and Brian Williams telling friends that it's tougher and tougher to defend the cable news arm of NBC. Hugh says that MSNBC is a "network of the left, making no attempt” “to feature voices quite obviously not of its overarching ideological beliefs." This hasn't always been so, but it actually pretty accurate now. With the loss of 'Scarborough Country’, Joe just sits around on 'Morning Joe' trying to keep Mika from lighting papers on fire. You'll occasionally see Pat Buchanan brought on various shows as the 'token conservative', but it's telling that when MSNBC seeks out a 'conservative', he isn't even a Republican. Hugh sums up by saying, "The collapse of NBC's credibility will not be arrested by moving the name plates around. You cannot fix what you don't know is broken." The first part is debatable, but the second part is not. It’s just common sense. As for MSNBC simply following Fox's example when it made Olbermann and Matthews news anchors reporting from the convention, apparently SHE didn't read the article (yes, more of the pot calling the kettle 'black'). That very issue was addressed with many folks saying that move would have been like Bill O'Reilly anchoring Fox News Channel coverage... which has never happened. I tell ya, that little world Crazy Lady has built in her brain-housing-group must be a real fever swamp. |
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Colmes gets precisely as much time as Hannity does, to the second. And the Fox panels generally have liberals on them. True, Fox tends to be more conservative than MSNBC but it is also more fair to liberals than MSNBC is to conservatives. Bill O'Reilly owns his time slot, period. Also, O'Reilly has people with opposing points of view on his show while Olberman...well....he is pathetic. |
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The article gives a rip-roarer, with this:
But MSNBC is the cable arm of NBC News, the dispassionate news division of NBC Universal. MSNBC, “Today” and “NBC Nightly News” share some staff members, workspace and content. And some critics are claiming they also share a political affiliation.
NBC is dispassionate? Who knew?
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for one very LARGE reason. One night several years ago, at Dodger Stadium, my wife and I watched in high amusement as Keith and several youthful guys(Nerdish, arguably gay, but who knows..)sat down a few rows in front of us. He was wearing a brown suit and white shirt & tie, ala Keith uniform, to the BALL GAME!
But, here's the part that never fails to put a grin on my face whenever I see the sleazy geeky doofus. Ready? He has a HUGE A**!!(as in Butt!). He's shaped like a triangle, with comparably small shoulders and a Vast Butt. A perfect pear from the back. My wife, one of the kindest folks on the planet, broke into a giggle and poked me and pointed. She couldn't contain herself and snickered-giggled-snorted throughout the game.
We'd always been very fond of the pear-nerd at ESPN. A really good and entertaining sportscaster. I thought of that scene again last night, as I played a link (on Drudge, I think..) of Keithie, at the RNC, putting on faux upset hissies over a 9-11 Honor Commemorative shown at the RNC last week. He literally apologized to the audience for NBC broadcasting such a craven political exploitation. Maybe THAT was the final straw in getting he and Mr. Lithium Deprived Matthews bounced on Election Night. It was disgusting. Loathsome. And, then I pictured that massive Butt hidden beneath camera range, laughed out loud and wished him ALL the "Awards" that he so richly deserves for his behavior.
I just LUV sharing the mirth with Righty buds every once in awhile. Now, you too can enjoy Keith's little-BIG secret! |
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People, get real. CNN is perhaps more biased than MSNBC.
Think Campbell Brown,
Think Wolf Blitzer,
Think Jack Cafferty,
Think Larry King,
Think Howard Kurtz,
Think Soledad O'brian,
Think Rick Sanchez,
And a Host of Others that I can't keep track of.
If you think that these people don't have an ax to grind then you are Liberal delusional.
Personally, I don't watch CNN or MSNBC anymore because they have slid way to the Left during this election cycle. Perhaps after the election is over and John McCain is in the White House then maybe they will come back to the center. However, I rather doubt it.
Also, for those of you that care, C-span and PBS are also in the Tank for N'obama. If they were any more "in the tank" they would need gills to breath. I wrote an e-mail to C-span and suggested that they change their name. Perhaps C-obama or O-span would be good. I didn't get any response from them but I didn't expect one either.
As with all MSM, try to keep an open mind when viewing news segments. Watch out for their careful use of terms/words that have multiple meaning. Case in point, Howard Kurtz, of CNN, referred to Sarah's family as a "CLAN" yesterday. I'm sure that he chose that word very carefully and used it for maximum impact. I am surprised and disappointed that more people didn't pick up on it.
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Byron York at the Corner after reviewing Palin's performance in the Alaska Governor Debates:
On a few other issues, there was a passage in the debate that will lay to rest all those reports we have seen that Palin supports abstinence-only education when it comes to sex. It seems Palin had written in a questionnaire that she opposed "explicit" sex-ed programs, so she was asked:
In a recent survey you said that you would support abstinence-until-marriage education but that you would not support explicit sex-ed programs. What are explicit sex-ed programs, and does that include talking about condoms in school?
Palin's answer:
No, I don't think that it includes something that is relatively benign. Explicit means explicit. No, I am pro-contraception, and I think kids who may not hear about it at home should hear about it in other avenues. So I'm not anti-contraception. But yeah, abstinence is another alternative that should be discussed with kids. I don't have a problem with that. That doesn't scare me, so it's something that I would support also.
http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=NGIzMmIwMjM0MTZlZj BkMDdjZjI4NThkOTBhMjlkNjg=
Well imagine that, Sarah Palin is not the crazy absolute fundamentalist "Christianist" they* have been making her out to be on public school sex education either.
* "they" are the more rabid left leaning journalists and pundits who are still pretending they are being objective about McCain-Palin. But personally I like Glenn Reyonold's description of them as the "insane clown posse." http://www.pajamasmedia.com/instapundit/archives2/024016.p hp Andrew Sullivan is of course driving the mini car that these clowns spill out of every now and again. |
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Obama-bot "Allen" says: "As far as MSNBC - f*ck em - for fair and balanced news I go to CNN - like the majority of the country."
This is one of those reasons why you just can't trust folks who throw out lines like "as everyone knows" or "like the majority of the country". Take a look at the ratings for cable news, and you tell me by what definition of "majority" young Allen's statement can be considered accurate:
FNC – 911,000 viewers
CNN – 468,000 viewers
MSNBC – 329,000 viewers
CNBC – 206,000 viewers
HLN – 236,000 viewers
Data is for July 9, 2008
http://tvbythenumbers.com/2008/07/10/cable-news-ratings-for -wednesday-july-9/4388
And that's just cable news, Allen; haven't even talked about broadcast network news.
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"MSNBC Takes Incendiary Hosts From Anchor Seat"
So then MSNBC puts Rachel Maddow Ms. "Air America" in the 9 PM EST time slot? Way to even out the political bias NBC. With Russerts's passing, NBC news has become an unprofessional joke that isn't even thought of a main player anymore. it's an MSM fossil.
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Allen writes:
"As far as MSNBC - f*ck em - for fair and balanced news I go to CNN - like the majority of the country."
Allen, you certainly sound bitter. Maybe you should stop skulking around that grimy hovel you live in slurping down your cup of gruel and take some long walks in the fresh air. |
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It's usually the ones who complain the loudest who have the most to hide...
May the LORD heal our country and give us wise Christian leaders who push our country back towards righteousness and away from this endless partisan bickering, away from the brink of totalitarianism... |
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Well if they get rid of Oberman, Mathews and the rest of left wing Momo’s on all channels. Allen, writes that he switches over to a fair and balanced network CNN We can see which way Allen leans, now even Colmes from Fox I can stand, until he opens his mouth, then as he spews his kool-aid line it reminds me how the left is. We get a lot of complaints of the last 8 years, I thought we had a congress that tried to control the Administration, as they did in the Clinton years. Allen, fine another place to write your obnoxious thoughts. |
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this monstricity overboard in a heartbeat if the price is right. |
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Hey everyone. A new Obamabot. Everyone say, "Hi, Allen."
"Hi, Allen."
CNN...unbiased...te-he...That's a good one.
Make sure the B. Hussein campaign gets you Hostess breakfast, not that cheap crap. |
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...is arguably one of the biggest embarrassments ever to happen in TV news.
If you'd told me back in '93, when Keith was, to me anyway, a smart, funny local sportscaster just starting a very good run on ESPN, and George Stephanopoulos was a Clinton spokesman, with all the combativeness and, well, BS that implies, that 15 years later, Keith would be a straight-news commentator, George would be the Washington bureau chief for ABC News, the host of "This Week", and an occasional anchor on "World News"...that wouldn't have surprised me. Well, Stephie might have, a little. If you'd told me that of those two, Keith would be the unwatchable one, I would have told you you were high. |
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David Gregory, recall, is the flaming lib that Tony Snow famously jacked up in a White House press conference. Yeah, he'll really make a difference . . . hilarious indeed. What's next -- ditching the tainted "MSNBC" brand name for a new one . . . say, "Pravda?"
Of course, their ratings have nowhere to go but up, so he's got that going for him.
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"DP in So Cal writes:
Virginia Parrot- What are you advocating?"
"Virginia Patriot writes: kgurian
Yes, if you read the link, you'll find he's has a record of a traditional Democrat. I don't vote for liberals. R or D"
Really? REALLY?
I followed the link and read the comments, this one PROVES you're NO conservative. You're a liberal TROLL. And NOW everyone KNOWS it.
"Sunday, September, 07, 2008 3:36 PM Virginia Patriot writes:
Great Stuff...Fear Is McCain's Only Hope.
Make them afraid of terrorists or Obama. Or make Obama a terrorist."
http://townhall.com/youropinion/comments.aspx?g=a1ca3d8e-de da-4631-b613-60d83f2bee66 |
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I don't have a problem with a traditional Democrat as long as he is for winning the war and gets Sarah Palin in the White House. It's these anti-American, pro-terrorist, Marxist, racist Democrats that we are trying to defeat. |
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"Strong" mythology of America's polity is there have been five branches of government... functioning to greater/lesser degrees of efficiency/involvement...controlling the Republic since circa 1920~to wit:Executive(President); Legislative(Congress);Judicial(SC& Federal system of appellates);the Press(ironically enfeebled by TV-as-ideologically bent-entertainment "news");Organized Crime(peaking with election and subsequent complicity in assassination of JFK).
The point: with utter abandonment of objectivity in rapturous embrace of the most unqualified, feckless,presidential candidate in modern/PM history,the 4th Estate's NOVA-like demise will coincide with 4th REALIGHNMENT Election and virtual extinction of Democratic party as political entity. MSM will continue to contribute to this political apocalypse as they write and report obituaries of their INBRED world and its MIRROR/MIRROR/on the WALL epigones that made it happen. As Cronkite portentously declaimed: AND THAT'S THE WAY IT IS
Arthur F. McVarish, Houston, Texas |
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Wow! Thank God Bush listened to the right experts, and not just the naysayers on the JCS who were proven not only wrong, but wildly so. If only Bush had listened earlier to the AEP and whomever else convinced him, maybe things wouldn't have gotten so out of control. I guess Pace should have left sooner. |
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did not want the surge, or Rummy, or Cheney, but Bush did not want to lose the war. So he found Petraeus who said a surge would work. And McCain, who happens to disagree on a lot of stuff with Bush, also said we should not lose the war. And Rummy got fired and Bob Gates took over.
And the surge worked.
Now you can be like Obama and say it worked wonderfully and was still wrong.
But victory is what counts.
Bush made mistakes, big ones. But history will look more kindly on George W. Bush than most people realize. |
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Vampire's Reflection writes: Monday, September, 08, 2008 1:31 AM
Better sit down.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/0 9/07/AR2008090702426_pf.html
So, Bush claimed that the "Generals on the ground" recommended the surge.
Fits nicely with the past 8 years of conservative media calling "up" "down", "black" "white".
Conservative media has even less credibility than MESSNBC.
And that's the reason credible people, not just liberals, avoid conservative media.
Will right wing media hold Bush accountable for lying about where the motivation for the surge came from? Nope.
In fact, it is same to say that right wing media would never even bother to investigate Bush because conservative media is not interested in the truth, just spin.
No credibility.
Arch says"
Pure projection on your part. Try again fool! |
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/0 9/07/AR2008090702426_pf.html
So, Bush claimed that the "Generals on the ground" recommended the surge.
Fits nicely with the past 8 years of conservative media calling "up" "down", "black" "white".
Conservative media has even less credibility than MESSNBC.
And that's the reason credible people, not just liberals, avoid conservative media.
Will right wing media hold Bush accountable for lying about where the motivation for the surge came from? Nope.
In fact, it is same to say that right wing media would never even bother to investigate Bush because conservative media is not interested in the truth, just spin.
No credibility.
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MSNBC clearly tries to be the anti-FoxNews, but stampedes off the cliff and has been unfair and imbalanced.
Matthews can be insightful when he chooses to be - as of late that hasn't been often, but he does have that potential.
I don't have a lot of faith in David Gregory, since he's become part of that same machine. As after McCain's speech when Gregory said: "When he [McCain] talks about education, he talks about it being a civil right for the new century, that is a George W. Bush line from the year 2000; when he called education the new civil right. It's a carbon copy."
That was clearly parroting Obama's slogan that Bush and McCain are indistinguishable. It had no other relevance. People are not disenchanted with Bush because of his treatment of education as a new civil right. The phrase "carbon copy" is awkward in that context and clearly mimics Obama's political strategy. |
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I thought my characterization of the leftists as paranoid, delusional, and living in an alternate reality may have been hyperbole, but I see that I was understating the situation. FoxNews is right down the middle, it just appears biased by those that think Obama's ultraleft ideology represents the center. FNC does have this nasty habit of presenting the opinions of those on both sides of an issue, a concept foreign to the other legacy and cable networks except as an object of derision (i.e. global warming "deniers"). That is why FNC is the most watched news channel in prime time because people now have a place where they can get the straight news presented with detail but without bias, and multiple perspectives are entertained intelligently. |
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You went after her kids. You went after her kids with the most vile slander and libel imaginable.
You went after her kids and it exposed you for who you are. You were unprepared for Palin and you responded with knee-jerk hatred of the most awful kind. Since it was obviously knee-jerk, it exposed you.
You went after her kids and you won't recover from it. |
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MSNBC does NOT go just one way. There's left, extreme left, kind of left, a little left, a lotta left, and socialist. |
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Now that NBC has allowed that Olberman is too far left to be used as an anchor on a supposed straight news show, will Joe Scarborough's sidekick be next. On those occasions that I watch that show I can't stand her smirking and condescending tone and manner. That dispute between Joe and Schuster was priceless. Love the meltdown media of MSNBC! BTW, when I tuned on MSNBC to see how radical they were, I kept thinking to myself, "Is Chris Mathews drunk or what?" Also, it's about time Brokaw and Williams concerned themselves with their own reputations and credibility. I would have been humiliated to align myself with the unbelievably biased so-called reporting of the MSNBC staff. I've followed Brokaw since I was a kid when he was on KNBC in L.A. and even though he's turned into a big lib he at least used to be a professional. |
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Libs having a bad night.. First Obama is down 10 points in the polls and now their favorite hack MSM heros get canned.
Ouch. |
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“I think ideology means we think one way, and we don’t.”
Liberals don't think. Who woulda thunk?! |
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and so by the way is Virginia Patriot. |
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"Conservatives within talk radio are transparent as to their beliefs". I would never have figured that out on my own. Thanks for the helping me fill in my clueless quadrant.
As to FOX, Alan (sp?) Colmes is a joke. Fox achieves what it intends with big square jawed bully "Conservative" Hannity against milquetoast wimp "Liberal" Colmes. It's the image projected and not the content; anyone with rudimentary observation skills can figure that out in about 30 seconds...well at least in less than a minute. |
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Hazel writes that the speech was written for Palin...Get a clue Hazel, you liberal, no-talent weasal. All political speeches are writtent by professional speech writers, even NOBAMA'S. So shut up and go back to your bon-bons and soap operas. |
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Hazel dear, put down the crack pipe.
From Nielsen ratings for 20 August 2008:
O'Reilly Factor: 2,028,000 viewers
Countdown w/Olberman: 1,303,000 viewers
How does that Liberal math make Countdown beat O'Reilly? |
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Hugh assumes that you won't bother to read the article, and he distorts what the article says.
Taking Fox's example of infusing political bias into their broadcast, MSNBC put Keith Olberman on in an anchor role with Chris Mathews.
To the chagrin of NBC, it didn't work.
That is pretty much it. I don't see where Hugh gets the rest of his conclusions. |
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Your man lost in the quarterfinals. Mine lost in the semi's. We're down to two choices now.
On which issues do you agree with Obama over McCain?
Own up...
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The most sucessful 3rd party candidate in the last 30 years brought us Bill Clinton.
What are you advocating? |
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I have tried to stomach MSNBC on a few occasions and I am really shocked people think they are centrally positioned. Be honest for once! Call yourself Liberal Television!
I listen to Rush, Hannity, Hewett, Prager and I am aware that they are more supportive of the Right. However, they readily admit they are Conservative Radio! No deception! |
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Squawwk! Amnesty! SQUAAAWWWWK! Control the borders! SQUEEAAAAWWWK! McCain is not a conservative!
So, pray tell VP, who are you voting for, and what good will that do? |
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Yes, if you read the link, you'll find he's has a record of a traditional Democrat. I don't vote for liberals. R or D |
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Olbermann needed to go, no TV anchor skill.
Chris Matthews only acted silly because he was allowed to do it. The man asks tough questions 50% of the time. I think he only goes goo-goo to be entertaining.
He's always had good political insight. |
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At least he has a record. |
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Hazel writes: Sunday, September, 07, 2008 11:48 PM
Yeah, it IS hilarious
that the TH crowd would even dare go there with this subject! Are you people really this friggin nuts that you don't see the parallels in your complaint about MSNBC to FoxNews? Are you REALLY that DULL? Yes, you really are. Hilarious!
Arch says"
Yes Hazel what ever! I am sure we are all spittle drooling knuckledraggers with leftiod envy. In your world the laws of physics are immoral and stupidly designed and you will fix it all for everyone. KUM bay Yahh!! |
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Read the article again. You clearly didn't read it. When people are as delusional as you it's almost pointless to try to reason with them. Fox is too liberal to suit me but they do try to show both sides. MSNBC is nuts. They have even realized it. |
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