"Biden's mistakes of fact were very numerous. Have you heard any of the MSM talking about them? How can you win a debate when you misstate the facts a minimum of 10 times and probably more than 15 times?"
Dems will say EXACTLY the same thing about Palin. As far as I've seen, both candidates made factual errors. If Palin made fewer, it's because she was less inclined to go to a level of detail when she spoke.
I'm just saying that her approach was smart cos she let her down home, small town appeal win the day for her. |
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"Biden suggested he would be some sort of liaison with the legislature. That "pesky old Constitution" says very little about what the VP should be doing, other than breaking the odd tied vote." by crispian
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You neglect to mention that Biden, the lawyer and teacher of the constitution, flubbed his statement on the Constitution. I think he should have avoided this completely because he clearly doesn't know the provisions and mixed up the articles. At any rate, there was a time when the VP responsibilities were a great deal larger.
What is important in this election is that we are voting for a future for our country. Our choice is capitalsm/free markets (McCain/Palin) or Socialism/big government/.
America has never had a far left administration and if that is chosen, Americans won't like it. Under Barack Obama's police methods, we can say goodbye to our freedoms. With the tax increases that will be made to pay for the ballooning government. we can expect a complete collapse of the economy. Young voters have no idea what that will do to their lives. For those of us who experienced economic downturns in the 70's, 80's and 90's know just how much that can change things.
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Everytime I see the little man.. I get weepy..
and protective.
My husband's in love for the first time ever..
with a public figure who doesn't play golf !
I hope this puts a bee in McCain's bonnet.. because this is his last hurrah.. a gift not to be squandered..
Pay attention to the folks .. McCain !! |
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It's a sad day when good people with a brain can't see the obvious. The attempts to demean Palin and the rather small minded nit picking of any individual who has gone into public service is beyond hypocricy. What we have here is a part of society that has decided it knows what is best for us all. They think a man with questionable associations and citizenship (see Berg case in PA) who hasn't done anything except run for president in his measly 143 days as senator, is good for us. They don't believe we have an intellect that can decide if we want a socialist/marxist trained candidate.
These "better than us in everyway" media keep a constant drumbeat to demean the values and abilities of Governor Palin, a woman who serves her state proudly and loves her country. They trash a man who spent five years as a prisoner of war serving his country. The try to create a pedestal for a man who wouldn't be hired at most American businesses due to lack of proper documentation and experience.
The election to choose our president is not a matter for the main stream media to be making. This is a decision for America.
McCain/Palin will govern for the people, not politics. |
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[One reform needs to be a law that limits how soon someone can announce their candidacy and start an official camapaign.]
I'm still thinking an amendment to the Constitution where the President election consists of a steel cage death match with the winner taking the White House.
Make it pay per view, promise a lot of politicians dying in gruesome ways, and we'd make a killing we could use to pay down the debt or bailout the next round of financial follies.
[I know this could turn into a he said she said debate - which I am not trying to do.]
I know, but that's always what this is going to be, because there is no scoring system or objective way of determining who won.
My own personal take: Sarah Palin is likable, but gave shallow answers. I think she is intellectually capable of learning the issues and job, but I'm not convinced that she has the desire to do so.
She honestly strikes me as very similar as a more socially conservative George W. Bush c.2000, which, to me, isn't a good thing. |
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Biden's mistakes of fact were very numerous. Have you heard any of the MSM talking about them? How can you win a debate when you misstate the facts a minimum of 10 times and probably more than 15 times?
For his 45 minutes of time, Biden averaged a misstatement every three minutes. Would you call someone who declared Biden the winner an intelligent person or simply spinning?
You do not win debates when you have no command of the facts. |
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Palin did well. The fact is, the VP debate wasn't the train wreck (or NASCAR pile up) most people were predicting. And while Biden was competent, the story of the debate has become, "Palin didn't screw up".
Sure, she might have dodged questions and reverted to talking points, but like it or not that was smart strategy.
Interesting clip here shows a media coach talking about the debate:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X4vDcnAahAk
He describes Palin's "bridging" - seamlessly jumping from the question to the rehearsed talking points.
We've all seen it and it's frustrating if you want the question answered but works for most viewers!
There must have been some heavy coaching this week! As well as managing down expectations of Palin's ability...
Anyway - it allowed Palin to survive and shine as the folksy, hockey/soccer/whatever mom that the people love. |
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I know this could turn into a he said she said debate - which I am not trying to do.
You are right the diehards will always say their candidate won. However, the CBS poll has a much larger democratic sample. Frank Luntz's focus group which uses a balanced sample were almost unanimous in believing Palin won, although only a few said the debate would get them to either vote for or change their vote for a certain candidate. |
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I agree with your analysis. But I think it is too early for the polls to be reflective of the debate. Of course, what will a bounce mean by next month anyway?
Also, I too am ready for it to be over. One reform needs to be a law that limits how soon someone can announce their candidacy and start an official camapaign. |
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Nice buddy for you, that cim! Yeah, I especially like the names she calls me everyday.
I've never said I'm voting for Obama, and not McCain. I've also never said I thought Obama was more qualified than anyone. He's clearly not.
(People keep assuming things about me that are not true.)
But, I'm not going to be part of the collective stupid attack over Palin. She's NOT presidential timber in the slightest. She looks good, period. She's a mental midget and last night it showed. She's still in over her head and I don't want to see her living in the White House under any circumstance. Can you imagine the train wreck? I can. She's still CLEARLY OUT OF HER LEAGUE, I don't care how many times she winks.
She showed precious little substance last night. She won on personality, and it isn't that hard when you're going up against an old gasbag.
People need to come down from the clouds, take off the rose-colored glasses and see Palin for what she is. Caribou Barbie. If she helps McCain win, good for her. But she's good for nothing else.
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Basically, it seems to again fall to party lines. The true believers think their candidate cleaned up.
However, thus far, the polls have been in Biden's favor and have showed little movement on opinion of Palin.
And while admittedly, my sampling has thus far been small, the articles from independents I've read seem to be sharing that opinion.
But, I know, "MSM bias" "leftist commie scum", etc.
Thank God this is all over in five weeks. |
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PC is a miserable Romney supporter still upset that he did not get the nomination and even more upset that McCain did not choose him as his VP. Romney supporters need to realize their man lost and GET OVER IT!
Palin CRUSHED Biden last night! Any any real conservative would realize she is more qualified to be President than Obama. No real conservative would sit this election out and allow someone who thinks and acts like Jimmy Carter to get elected simple becuase they are p-ssed their man lost. |
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I realized my error between 'want' and 'wont' after I posted but I did, indeed, misuse the word. I guess if you call keeping busy as being active then, okay, Gore was active. I remember that he also did a study of government and announced that there was no redundancy or waste(I may misrecall the wording, sorry) in government. Good thing to keep busy with considering his conclusion. And I stand by my statement of his being the most active 'modern' VP. A while back VPs used to actually do their job as president of the Senate by being there. I realize that the job has changed but Gore did nothing compared to the earlier VPs. |
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Bush Will Be Gone Come January
While Pelosi and Reid Will Remain
OBAMA = PELOSI and REID
So say NO to MORE OF THE SAME !! |
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you ignorant slu%,palin spoke plainly to the american people ,biden was reduced to lying,and looking like a putz. what more do yuo want? oh yeah ,you have a thing for phoney old white guys, you want romney !!the republican version of biden |
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I am seldom wrong. It just takes some people a bit of time to figure that out. I never said Gore accomplished much. But he was given a greater role than past VPs (ie helping to form policy.)
Trooling suits you. You even misused the English language, though you could try to rationalize otherwise. It is "than is my wont" - not "want."
How's that for reciprocity? |
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She did what she's good at and used her strengths. Personality, good looks, toughness. But she her answers were devoid of depth and substance. She simply refused to answer many questions preferring instead to change the subject back to already spoken talking points, and she missed a boatload of opportunities to make points or defend McCain when Biden was out to lunch on somthing - this happened A LOT.
We did hear the words Maverick and bi-partisanship a lot, though. That makes me feel so much better!
Sorry folks, nothing changed from last night. We saw the beautiful Sarah again with all the winks and folksy "ya's", she didn't make a huge mistake, but she is not prepared to be VP or president if necessary. |
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Used to being wrong are we? Gore achieved very little as VP. But for the sake of argument let us say that Algore actually was an active VP. Then it would be correct to say he was one of the most active MODERN VPs. Long past VPs actually did things, like oversee the Senate. But don't let knowledge get in the way of your ignorance.
BTW, I am being purposefully obnoxious here because it seems that the trools are nastier today than usual. That is a good thing as it means Palin scored points last night. It is also good as it means I get to flag more posts as offensive than is my want. |
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She did great!
I had hoped that she would have taken us through a time line regarding the Fannie/Freddie fiasco pointing out where John McCain has stood on this and would have made the point that 'in general conservatives do think deregulation is good for a capitalistic economy but when things go badly as they did with Fannie/Freddie clearly John McCain did his darned best to avert this crisis". Also, when Biden went through his litany of foreign affair issues that 'he wished John McCain would answer' it would have been great if Sarah would have turned to Joe and said, "Joe, I think you and I agree that foreign affairs got shorted in the first debate due to the economic crisis so can you and I agree right now that there needs to be a fourth presidential debate so that your concerns can be answered?". |
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The minute Sarah has come on the scene the Liberal women have been attacking her. It is not just because she is smart, but I think a lot of it is because she dresses like a lady,is pretty, has a family and lives what she believes. Liberal women who try to make us all believe is what all women really want.
Sarah has kept her own idenity in a mans world and has come out ahead. I am sure Hillary sees her future as a President go down the drain, and isn't that too bad! ha ha
Last night the debate was seen uncut, not like the interviews from ABC and CBS. All I could think last night was Atta Girl, Go Sarah Go. McCain hit the nail on the head when he said he couldn't wait to introduce her to Washington. |
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with calling Katie Couric a katty little wench. She was nothing of the sort, in fact, I think she was more fair than Charles Gibson. The mistake the McCain campaign made was allowing that interview to be rolled out over several days, prolonging the agony. It should have been shown in one fell swoop and gotten over with. Instead it allowed for the interview to dominate a number of news cycles. But saying that, Palin should have at least been able to name a couple of publications, whether she truly reads them or not. We all know the Washington Post, NY Times, WSJ, etc. The fact is she is cramming so much information in her head over such a short period of time that she is going to make mistakes. But she held her own last night and was extremely personable. I don't think this debate changed anyone's mind but certainly squashes all the "she's not capable" talk. |
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Sarah Palin CRUSHED Biden last night! And Matt you are correct Peggy Noonan did praise Palin this morning!
However Matt - lets keep the Cowboys out of this! But if you wanted to make fun of the Yankees be my guest! :) |
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Biden suggested he would be some sort of liaison with the legislature. That "pesky old Constitution" says very little about what the VP should be doing, other than breaking the odd tied vote. For most of our history, VPs have been fairly useless. Gore was among the first to take on a much greater role.
I hope Cheney hides under liberals' beds and in their closets after he leaves office, with his ominous crooked grin.
Biden or Palin will certainly have a greater role than did John Nance Garner whose notorious quote on the vice-presidency doesn't pass Townhall censorship standards. |
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I know exactly who you're talking about Matt! ;) |
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Palin did great. She did not, however, help John McCain this year. She is obviously the front-runner for the GOP nomination in 2012.
ONE exchange mattered to me: That pesky old Constitution clearly states what the duties of the VP are.
Dick Cheney has urinated all over that, and the Bill or Rights. For Palin to say that she would continue in Cheney's way should terrify anyone who loves our country.
But, take heart, Republicans: most of my fellow Americans are -- quite frankly -- too dumb to read and/or understand the Constitution. So, it is probably way over most voter's heads. |
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Chad, are you lost? I think you should be in the blog that lies and enjoys lying about everyone. You are a fine example of the crap the libs spread.
Sarah's Honesty alone with let the great people of the United States that Lying Obammi doesn't need to run this great country. Obammi wouldn't know honesty if it bonked him on the head!
Go back to the bloggers who love to be lied to!
Maybe you can work up a few tears like Joe did and get somebody to feel sorry for you. hmmm, me thinks that is what the Dem/Lib party runs on, feel sorry for me?
Sarah Kicked your guys butt and it hurts doesn't it chad?
One Honest Woman against One Lying Lib |
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a right-leaning libertarian. I've never voted for a GOP presidential candidate. My first POTUS election was in '88 and I enthusiastically voted for Ron Paul.
I actually changed party affiliations several months ago to GOP JUST to keep McCain from getting the nomination.
When McCain won, my decision was clear: Barr. That is, until the Dems picked Obama. Then I was forced onto being a McCain voter, but I was REALLY pi**ed off about it. Obama was the ONLY reason I had to vote GOP; not a vote FOR a ticket, but a vote against.
Palin actually gives me a reason to vote FOR the McCain/Palin ticket. I want to see her succeed, despite McCain. Now, for the first time in 20+ years, I've not only donated time AND MONEY ($50) to the GOP, but I've also put up yard signs.
I hope EVERY conservative will go to their local GOP headquarters and pick up signs and bumperstickers (if avail. they've been going like hotcakes in my neck of the woods). Every thinking (not feeling) American should volunteer for their local GOP in any way possible, and importantly, donate donate donate! Even $10 helps keep lights and heat on, or pays for stamps, or pays for pizza for late-night volunteers. |
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Sarah Palin has been on the "National" stage 5 weeks. Obama has had 76 WEEKS to improve his forked tongue on the national spotlight. Give her a chance. She did great in debate. |
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the accent can be a bit off-putting, but she handled the debate competently. I like the idea of having a real person elected.
The campaign bungled the launch of Palin, serving to damage the campaign - hopefully the debate will have stopped the bleeding.
She was chosen because she is different and real. We ALL know that she does not have foreign policy experience. Every time they (Schmidt et al) tried to convince us otherwise, they made the campaign look silly. Especially insisting upon the 'Russia is near Alaska' retort.
This problem was exacerbated by the negative and petty ads which stood in strong contrast to McCain's convention speech. And then the campaign made McCain's return to Washington a blatant political gimmick.
All of this amounted to McCain not being the safe alternative to Obama. The McCain campaign made Obama looked like the safe choice. That is an impressive feat.
McCain and Palin need to stop the political rhetoric and speak honestly to the public in order to win. Calling McCain a "maverick" all the time just sounds gimmicky. When McCain told Obama in the debate that Obama "doesn't understand," it turned some independents off - as true as it might have been.
They need to show that McCain is an independent fighter for Americans and that Obama is not a safe choice without the political signal words. We want honesty. Less is more in this election. People need to come to their own conclusions.
Palin needs to admit when asked that she is not a student of foreign affairs. We don't want to feel like they're trying to pull the wool over our eyes when the truth is so obvious. Palin was chosen for a reason, they need to let that reason shine through and not pretend her to be something else. I am hopeful that the debate was a first step in that direction. |
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Over at The Corner, Kathryn Jean Lopez is claiming that she or Kathleen Parker saved Palin! As if. |
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Let me state my biases up front-
I am a conservative, I am an independent, I am a Christian, I will not/do not support Obama/Biden
and truly hope they loose by a large margin in November and, no McCain does not reflect all of my views as a true conservative (there is a great deal I disagree with him on). Now,
"They will say...She did nothing in the way of inspiring confidence in voting for McCain, and much in the way of solidifying what poor judgment he has."
More then likely Chad is correct, the bias of the MSM has become increasingly apparent over the years. I think true conservatives need to realize that it will be an uphill battle for us because;
1. The MSM is left (news and programming)
2. Most of the Democratic Party has gone extreme left
3. The part of the Democratic Party that isn't extreme still leans left
4. Hollyweird is left (for the most part)
5. Most faculty in Universities and Colleges are predominately left (the same goes for K-12)
So reality is true conservatives are not only campaigning against Obama/Biden, but also have the massive Obama machine to deal with. What is truly unfortunate is that there are those on the right that have been so willing to throw Palin under the bus (reflective of Obama, yes?). The polls indicate that Mccain/Palin have been going down in the. This is typical in any election, but those who have decided to cut and run when the Mccain/Palin ticket needed them most have only added fuel to the fire and have helped the likes of George Soros and the far left. I do agree that they need to be honest about anyone's performance (whether left or right), but going to the extreme of asking the candidate to step down is not necessary.
Voting Mccain/Palin |
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Right, let's have a nuanced, lying, treacherous insider instead of a real person who has real accomplishments behind her. |
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Wow!!!! She kicked *** last night. I felt Gwen didn't allow her to have the last word as often as she allowed Biden. She still won despite that! I can't wait to vote her in! The left can't deny her this one!
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The winking and "aw shucks" and "ya's" don't make you want to vomit you're inhuman. This is what we need to regain the intelligent American image. This is a diplomat? This transparent narcissist is not kidding anyone. Hey...where's the kids Sarah? Oh right...that's not your job. |
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Here is the best analogy to the Thursday night VP debate Sarah Palin reminded me of Mary Richards (Mary Tyler Moore) confronting her gruff boss Mr. Grant. SHE'S GOT SPUNK!
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Here is the best analogy to the Thursday night VP debate Sarah Palin reminded me of Mary Richards (Mary Tyler Moore) confronting her gruff boss Mr. Grant. SHE'S GOT SPUNK! Murphy Stone |
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The worst case of bad judgment palin has shown was being willing to sit down with that catty little wench , katie couric, in the first place.
And McCain should NEVER have gone on the view and tried to make sensible discussion with idiots. |
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they will say she connected! She was superb, real, and capable. She even won Biden over. I am off to donate to her campaign...something I have NEVER done before. I look forward to casting my vote for McCain/Palin. |
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She did nothing in the way of inspiring confidence in voting for McCain, and much in the way of solidifying what poor judgment he has. |
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