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Friday, December 15, 2006
HamNation: The Appeasers
Posted by: Mary Katharine Ham at 10:45 AM


Today, a refresher on the American Left (+ some James Baker), past and present. Excerpts are from FDR's "Four Freedoms" speech, given Jan. 6, 1941.

Thank you to LGF for the lovely protest pictures. Go here and here for more from the friendly jihad-loving folks who speak up on the anti-war side these days.

I'm just bummed we didn't get pictures of John Kerry and Bashar Assad quick enough to use them in the video, but they're a-coming, which just perfectly illustrates the concept of this HamNation. Thanks, John Kerry!

Thanks to Justin for production, as usual.

 

 



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Junkyard Dog writes: Sunday, December, 17, 2006 12:03 AM
Good try
This will tank on youtube, but you gotta repect the effort. Mamham, you never booted me, which is funny. If somebody were to try to help you get the goat of the radical left, you might get more than fourteen thousand hits.
Number one, memorize your lines.(shifty eyes make one look like a liar , a poser, or both)
Number two, be more charismatic. If your mannerisms do not appear confident, how can your argument?
Number three, you are not better than the lowest of slugs, try not to appear condecending and quite frankly, drunk.
These are three minor hints when filming oneself.
The music was ok, but outdated, as were the analogies.
The intellectual level is astonishing, but it appears to be coached.

Roger Berry writes: Saturday, December, 16, 2006 8:34 PM
Then, not as now
What's missing in today's political scene even more than Paleo Conservatives is the FDR Paleo Crats.

They may have fought over ideals with Conservatives but they loved America fiercely and fought the enemies of America fiercely.

Today's leadership liberal is a 60s radical that enjoyed the wrong thinking of that era so much that they're still operating in that forty year old hate the establishment dogma, even though 'they' are now the establishment. They're self hate is evident every day.

Winston Churchill was pretty accurate, if you're not a liberal when you're 20 you have no heart, if you're not a Conservative by the time you're 30, you have no brain.

You can put the 60s concept in it's proper perspective, when you grow old enough to have a brain.

Logic kills emotional stupidity.
inkling_revival writes: Saturday, December, 16, 2006 7:22 PM
jetpilot
It happens that I agree that the monkey suits on James Baker and Lee Hamilton was in bad taste. But it doesn't warrent 1,500 words, reciting Democrat sound bites ad nauseum. Sometimes less is more.

Practice brevity.

Oh, and by the way: a single utterance of "conservative media" is cause for raucous, derisive laughter. Five or more repetitions might just be sufficient cause for legal commitment. You're endangering your livelihood, buddy.
inkling_revival writes: Saturday, December, 16, 2006 7:15 PM
slabo, listen carefullly
Listen carefully:

The New Deal was a Bad Idea. It prolonged the depression. It took away liberties. It robbed people of their dignity. It was socialistic.

Resisting the urge to appease major threats was a Good Idea. We were able to rise to the extreme requirements of WWII because of that attitude.

When I see that FDR did something socialistic, I say "That was socialistic."

When I see that FDR did something reasonable, I say "That was reasonable."

Explain to me, briefly, if you can, why you would think it hypocricy to criticize one aspect of FDR's presidency while praising another. Was it likewise hypocricy to say of Clinton, "His behavior was disgraceful," but at the same time praise his economic policy? Does avoidance of hypocricy mean that once I have decided that one aspect of a man's policies are a bad idea, I'm required to think ALL his ideas are bad? Why would that be?

You really should look up "hypocricy" in the dictionary. It doesn't mean what you think it means.
Chuck writes: Saturday, December, 16, 2006 11:40 AM
I concur
I concur with Dawnsblood...........

Jetpilot (yeah right), you are a waste of very good bandwith. Get your own site and post away, see how many readers you actually attract, then get your head out of your anus.

Lyrax writes: Friday, December, 15, 2006 9:42 PM
We SHOULD pull out...
... just not out of Iraq.

If you consider that there have been about of 300,000 troops in the Iraq theatre of operations during the last 22 months, and a total of 1,758
hostile deaths (not accidental deaths, such as falling out of a jeep or illness), that gives a firearm death rate of about 60 per 10,000 soldiers.

The firearm death rate in Washington D.C. is 80.6 per 10,000 for the same period.

That means that you are about 30% more likely to be shot and killed in the U.S. Capitol, which has some of the strictest gun control laws in the
nation, than you are in Iraq.

Conclusion: The U.S. should pull out of Washington D.C. immediately.
CJrun writes: Friday, December, 15, 2006 7:56 PM
Appeasers
If you are going to update the video, also consider Bill Nelson. I saw a write-up and photos with Assad linked at Florida Cracker [http://www.florida-cracker.org/], 12/13/06, 04:08 pm.
dawnsblood writes: Friday, December, 15, 2006 5:58 PM
Jetpilot
If you are going to write an article, get your own blog, don't sully MKH's blog with your blather.
jetpilot writes: Friday, December, 15, 2006 3:48 PM
Yep there was wisdom
As Mary read those words, I thought how articulate Franklin Delano Roosevelt was and how wise our past leaders and founding fathers where. Than I thought about George W Bush.

Than I thought about the last words Mary read:
"Our strength is in our unity in purpose".

Mary reads FDR's profound words and than shows a "Surrender Monkey" front page from the New York Post at the end of the video. (NY post is owned by Australian-born, but now an American citizen, Murdoch). Murdoch as we know is NOT part of the liberal media and also owns Fox news, which is fine, monkey away; I thought it was funny when I first saw it.

However to mix FDR's word with that picture was a slap in the face and negated all the elequant words in one moment. It showed the true intent of the video, divisive partisan politics that is destroying our nation. We can be united in getting OUT of Iraq can't we. At 75% disapproval for continued Iraq involvement I think we ARE united, just not united with Bush. This is a nation of people for the people. Yes?

To speak the eloquent words of FDR about unity, than say you are Monkey if you don't agree or speak the truth is ugly. I am sure FDR would have felt the same.

The words:
"freedom means the supremacy of human rights everywhere."

Great words. Does our government really think this? We still don't care about Darfur in the Sudan. I am just saying.

Iraq is destined to become a theocracy under Sunni control? Guess who makes up Al Qaeda? Sunni. We have a mess and the Bush policies lead us there, not the people. Saddam was actually a stabilizing force. Go figure, who da thunk. Turns out lots of people but no one listened.

We where told: 9/11 connection, WMD's, greeted as liberators, 6 months at most and so on. Wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong and so on. Bush abandoned Afghanistan and the hunt for Bin Laden to go into the Iraq mess. This will be Bush's and the GOP's legacy, NOT the peoples or Dem's. Deal with it for the love of God.

George W. Bush is not Franklin Delano Roosevelt on any stretch of imagination. Partisans like Tom Delay say it's the peoples fault and "main stream media" is losing the war (Fox news H&C, also Murdoch owned).

Really? Yea it could not be the government?

Morton M. Kondracke of Fox news says:
"President Bush bet his presidency - and America's world leadership - on the war in Iraq. Tragically it looks like he bit off more than the American people could chew."

To blame America is denial; passing the buck has hit the big time. I see the conservative media talking point memo was sent out? Than there is rumblings of reporters or reports being given by the enemy. NO KIDDING, Daaaa. This is war and propaganda works both ways. The effect and results on the war is minor. The truth is the truth. With all BS filters on, the White House are the spin masters, to a point of insulting the intelligence and all Americas. The war has gotten a fair shake and than some. It's not like we are listening to Al jazeera.

George W Bush has not accepted any blame, except for trite comments like: sure things have not gone as planned, war is hell, this is hard work. Bush has a way with words.

IT IS NOT THE PEOPLES FAULT. IT IS NOT THE Main Stream (liberal) MEDIA FAULT. That is bull. The idea people don't need to know, can't understand or have any say so is the start of an authoritarian goverment, not a free democracy as FDR speaks of. We are in danger of losing our freedom right here in America if this continues.

By the way the MSM under reported violence by 1000% according to the Iraq report just released!!!!!!!!!!!!! FACT FOLKS

If FDR was here today he would, in elegant words, he'd chew GWB's policies a new one. TO SAY WE SHOULD STAND TOGETHER, THAN IN THE SAME BREATH ACT AS RUDE PARTISAN IS KILLING AMERICA. THE HYPOCRICY IS SICKENING.

The American people supported the war. The GOP ran the show in a partisan way and blew it, on so many levels.

Bush admin still has no idea what a Sunni or Shite is. Bush sent kids to Iraq in their 20's to rebuild the country goverment. These GOP kids had never left the country before. They all where from the GOP's pool of politicos. They where asked who they voted for in 2000 and how they felt about roe v. wade in interviews!

The Bush administration and TODAY'S GOP is incapable of working together with any one. They want POWER, all of it.

I pray the words of FDR that Mary read are taken to heart by the far right, but I am not holding my breath. I hope the Dems succeed for our nations sake, the people, who are more important than one president or political party's power. Amen.

IT ALL FALLS ON THE COMMANDER IN CHEIF AND THE LACK OF CHECKS AND BALANCES (aka one party control). THE WAR LOST POPULARITY IT FAILED DUE TO POOR LEADERSHIP.

IT ALSO FALLS ON THE conservative media which is still not speaking openly. Like it's goverment controlled? Bush is not a KING. The king has no clothes or ideas.

Blame the liberal main stream media is a GOP cliche that really has become tired, ridiculous, quaint and meaningless. Any thing that is NOT pro war, pro GOP, pro Bush becomes Lib MSM. This is propaganda. Now we have got to the point where Bush and GOP are spending more time with CYA than getting out of this mess.

Who are the go-to people for GOP denial? The Media and now the people, beauty! Since 71%-75% of the people think Bush blew it and Iraq is a mistake, so than the minority is right? We are a democracy are we not?

I hope the GOP reminds the people how much they suck in the 2008 elections. Some clever slogan, "YOU SUCK AMERICAN PEOPLE, VOTE REPUBLICAN OR DIE, WE KNOW BETTER THAN YOU!" or something subtle like that.

This is what terrorism is all about and wants, lost freedom. The idea that people are wrong, should have no information or decide their future is dangerous. I'm all for secrets but the cats out the bag on Bush-Cheney-Rumsfeld-Rice.

This is a democracy and it thrives on debate, honest, open, mature and non-partisan debate. The GOP has caused this environment where our freedom has been compromised and debate has become petty fighting and slogans: "Stay the course", "Cut and Runners", "New Way forward", "Surrender Monkeys", "I'm the decider", Appetizers and Pleasers".

There are 500 books on Amazon that have titles which indicate IRAQ IS A MESS. They are there because its true and the result of extream partisan politics. They are not the reason the war has gone badly. Chicken and the egg, Bush came first, than the mess came, than the books.

The blame is with the Bush administration and GOP majority congress 100%. The Dems where gut-less and fell in line. Some are still afraid to speak.

This is a nation of BY THE PEOPLE FOR THE PEOPLE. A representative democracy. Bush has lost control of Iraq and his presidency, not the people.

I TAKE NO PRIDE OR JOY IN SAYING ANY OF THIS, BUT THE PEOPLE ARE GOOD AND HAVE DONE THEIR PART.


The John Stewart Daily Show is FUNNY because it's true. Mary Ham's FUNNY is very deceptive and NOT TRUE. Conservatives are not for unity. I know that. You know that. It is your way or the highway. That is why I am independant. GOP is mean and divisive and the Dems are inept.

If the video just was just a reading of FDR words and left off the "Surrender Monkey" picture at the end, it would have been effective and profound. The game of agree or we'll call you names is stupid, useless, negative and anti-American. Is this elementary school?

I guess 75% of the American people BETTER support the war, or you will called them monkeys. WOW, that is desperate.

WE MUST WORK TOGETHER. However the far right, the Rove's, the right wing media have driven a big wedge in the country for political gain and self interest. We as a nation are suffering.

WE CAN NOT WIN IF WE ARE NOT UNITED, so stop attacking other Americans who don't block vote GOP, don't think religion and politics mix to get elected, don't think Bush is competent and don't think the Iraq war is going great and is winnable (what ever that means).

Stop with the WWII analogies. Think less WWII and more Korea or Vietnam. No war compares to Iraq, but the latter two are more realistic and relevant. We should learn from history. It's nice to think about WWII, the last major war America won decisively with the military. However Iraq is not WWII and Bush is not FDR.
erickahoosier writes: Friday, December, 15, 2006 1:45 PM
Bravo
That one made me laugh out loud (and shudder at the truth of it inside):) Good one MKH!
Otter writes: Friday, December, 15, 2006 1:16 PM
May islam
become the Democrat's tar-baby.
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